"Women are no longer marriageable" and that's...bad, I guess?

[@TaraMooknee]

Offset your carbon footprint on Wren: www.wren.co/start/taramooknee The first 100 people who sign up will have 10 extra trees planted in their name!

[@yourtrashtalkingbro9118]

You should make a video on the KZbinr Sandman🙏🏻

[@maggiephilson1667]

Can you please do a video on Jordan Peterson?🙏🏻

[@sheevinopalpatino4782]

Why should regular people bear this burden? Large corporations should be held responsible. "Offsetting" is meaningless.

[@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494]

Fun fact: "Nubile" means "marriageable" (of a young woman). Yes, I hate it too. Thanks for the upload!

[@9000ck]

i'm not interested in 'men of their calibre.'

[@indigo8722]

"Woman are no longer marriageable" get a husband then dude 🤷

[@richardsonrym]

I wouldn't want to inflict these dudes on other dudes either.

[@max-ud1xb]

@@richardsonrym fair point - who knows what would happen if you bound them together forever 😰😰😰 fear

[@amandajay7922]

@@richardsonrym Make them marry each other and put them on an island with limitless gyms, protein shakes and nightclubs and they'll be gucci

[@azul4916]

Ok but i have a classmate who literally did that and it’s so funny to me. He was this incel “women only want beta guys” kind of dude when we were 13, fast forward a few years and now he’s got a boyfriend and is cured from being a sigma male

[@joycejojo4437]

@@amandajay7922 happy ever after

[@reggieflor7357]

“Women are no longer marriageable” = I’m an absolute loser w/ a terrible personality and women just don’t overlook that.😭🥺🥺😫

[@peskypigeonx]

Pwease let me bwe misogynistic 😿😞🥺🥺❤️❤️😫😢🥺uwu senpai

[@shii9714]

auto tuned crying baby energy~~😻😽🔥♥️✨

[@amandajay7922]

@@shii9714 😂🤣😂🤣

[@synchronium24]

Lolz. I'm sure you are condemning all the articles that say the same thing about men without college degrees as "misandry". Oh wait.

[@yourtrashtalkingbro9118]

@@synchronium24 Both sucks

[@LixiaWinter]

Conspiracy theory: Tara is werecow, who transforms into human only in front of camera. Evidence - she's always a human on camera.

[@vegetablesoupfortheteenage1167]

good conspiracy theory...

[@becp488]

We never see her and the cow in the same room, either.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Well, I have never seen Tara and the Cow in the same room

[@Hannahgs]

That’s why the cow that writes and edits doesn’t ever show up! She is the cow

[@feistygheisty]

She does all her writing and producing on full mooooons

[@SilkyLew]

They don't like women who have careers, but also don't like women who like men for their money. I'm so confused.

[@raspad_anje]

yall gotta starve together if he doesn't have a career either, i presume. so romantic

[@ashitakedia5814]

@@raspad_anje oh yes being together in lows and lows✌️

[@nil981]

I'm a guy and I'm confused.

[@darkstarr984]

There it is, the men who say this stuff just… don’t like women in general. They may like individual women, but overall women aren’t good enough for them.

[@willowstree2560]

they tell women not to be independent because it’s not appealing to men, they tell women not to be feminists because it’s not appealing to men, they tell women not to look certain ways because it’s not appealing to men. they do so much gymnastics logic but always seem to miss the point that most women don’t see it as their primary goal to be appealing to men.

[@fruitloopmylk]

True! Why are women supposed to be out here conforming to their standards? If they’re so worried about finding a mate, by there own logic why don’t they try to start appealing to women?

[@erylaria398]

It's also just so fcking transparent? Like, "you're supposed to want being dependent on a male caregiver!! Why don't you want it??? Aaaah!!" It's so crystal clear that they're trying to turn the narrative back on women "well you SAY you don't want to get married but actually, you just CAN'T because you're a stupid, stinky girl and nobody wants you anyway!!" - it's like... kindergarten level "reverse psychology". Like what you do if you want a toddler to put away their toys. It's embarrassing really, that they think this shit works on adult women with some semblance of self respect lol

[@Uneclipsed]

Also, what are they doing to become appealing to women? Having lots of money and bragging about being unable to pleasure women is not a whole personality.

[@saliferousstudios]

@@Uneclipsed Yeah, my jaw was on the floor. You don't want her to work, you don't want her to have hobbies, you just want her to look pretty and be pleasurable for YOU. You don't want a wife, you want a slave.

[@rhonab6698]

@@fruitloopmylk truly especially since these 'alpha male' types are so obsessed with 'biological imperatives' you think they would follow the example of most of the animal kingdom where males are expected to perform for or compete to be worthy of mates.

[@alexturnbull1301]

“The issue is that women won’t put marriage before their own personal happiness” lmao the issue is that women don’t want to be miserable.

[@maiadraconica6488]

theres literally no point to marrige if it isnt furthering your own personal hapiness xD

[@wintersonnet]

@@maiadraconica6488 Exactly.

[@thes0mething]

Yeah this made me laugh out loud😂

[@kelb6073]

Since when did men put marriages before their personal happiness? lol Screwing the younger woman is one of the oldest tropes of men.

[@decoraqueena6413]

Lol i love how they admitted that marriage makes women miserable (not always but with those kind of guys, you'll 100% be miserable).

[@smiley6080]

One of the girls had kinda of a great point. “some women have done all that and still get left behind.” We want respect and not be gaslit, told what to do or how to act. I am not your mom, I am your partner so maybe get of your cheating, toxic ass and help out. Give respect receive respect.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Oh I caught that one big time cus it's what I, a man, would have told that pos, among other things lol

[@grantwithers]

"I am your partner" High value men don't want a partner, they want a wife. Furthermore, around 99% of women aren't even near the "partner" level of a high value man.

[@grantwithers]

"Give respect receive respect." Except giving women respect tends to kill their attraction because they no longer see you as "above them" (unless you're chad looks etc., and even then it partially kills the attraction). Women, as a population, not necessarily an individual woman, are attracted to men they see as above them. Tis known as hypergamy, been around for 150k+ years.

[@notshardain]

@@grantwithersits not that women are only attractive to whomever is "above" them, it's that women were not considered people. Like this is societal level mistreatment of women, you can't say that women have had a choice or are the definers of the system when men have placed them as "lesser" and second class citizens. Women weren't allowed to vote, have careers, be involved in politics for the longest time and you are seriously going to blame them still for this bs?

[@grantwithers]

Yes I understand those things, but you seem to be going off on random directions. Here we're talking about respect, as in pretty much everyday ho hum respect, not the big ol giganto being considered people and "societal mistreatment" and women being considered lesser etc. types of respect. Which forms are mostly sorted out these days, if not overly sorted out in favor of women being socially considered god's gift to the planet (with the sole exception being top tier men). Although frankly considering women lesser (or even faking such) does make it easier to keep their attraction as it literally sparks the perception in their minds that magically the man must be valuable if he considers her beneath him. This being because in her mind why else would he not behave as the ordinary simp dude and put her on a pedastal for her being pretty/attractive etc. (There can be no other explanation! He couldn't just be faking it! Why would he fake it and risk losing her attention??!!?

[@liliebilie]

“Women’s orgasms aren’t important.” That’s why they never text him back, let alone marry him 💀

[@Abby-gx4qi]

Right? They want women to have sex with them but don't think about how if they're good in bed, the women will want to do it more? Like, my husband makes sure I get mine cause 1. He wants me to enjoy it. 2. It gets us both more sex in the long run. And 3. I can't keep my hands off him and would climb that tree anywhere given half a chance

[@Kfroguar]

Can't imagine why these guys have trouble finding women that want to marry them

[@GeteMachine]

The problem could be how self-centered and sexist their concept of marriage is. They seem to think that men and women aren't getting married because they cant find a woman that will bow down to them in their daily life.

[@heidibangbang]

"I'm not the problem, *she* is!"

[@BethDiane]

"Who cares about a woman's orgasm?"

[@emiluontube-you]

@@GeteMachine I think the initial comment was sarcasm but they can correct me if not haha

[@Kfroguar]

@@emiluontube-you it absolutely was, but i think slow loris was just digging into the hows and whys of the issue a bit more,

[@vibrantgray]

Can’t believe the devs took away all marriageable women in the latest update when they tried to fix the misogyny bug :(

[@drsalka]

hahah 👌🖤

[@Hyenalowena]

Devs suck so hard at pvp balance, they keep screwing up the meta

[@CaseyAvalon]

Lmao

[@lilywest9552]

Open a ticket to try resolve the issue. Women shouldn’t be able to do this!!

[@matematicarka]

And even worse - who QAd that?

[@kandyjo]

“Women are no longer marriageable”: PROMISE? There they go, threatening us with a good time again.

[@that0nerandomperson374]

@thornback Bruh about that net worth thing, my dad tells me every time money comes up that if I marry I better not give up a single cent cause guys in his time and even today feel entitled to women’s properties and money and all that legal stuff, so he said never ever even entertain the idea of sharing or discussing a thing about what’s mine with somebody else. He says he’s no idea what properties and land my mom has but he never asks and would never inquire after it. You do the same, what’s yours is yours, *_e s p e c i a l l y_* in this economy.

[@mmmmyeah1849]

@thornback and I should be interested in a drunkard porn addict who takes my money and throws it at his stupid addiction?

[@tabathaarria9558]

@thornback oh damn walking obligations. i'm stealing that for future conversations, if you don't mind

[@sheevinopalpatino4782]

@@that0nerandomperson374 Women tend to get more out of a divorce than men, mate. Stop bsing lol

[@aestheticaddict_]

@thornback i loveeeeee ur Nana pfp

[@danielle8861]

You never see an attractive, emotionally stable man complain that there are no good women out there. So weird.

[@TheSergio1021]

Because those men usually don't get married

[@markprice5651]

You don't because those men apparently don't recognize your existence.

[@lovejunkie490]

@@markprice5651 you don’t see them complaining that they are no good women out there, because they never had hard time to find good women and are taken ;)

[@lovejunkie490]

@@TheSergio1021 ​ you don’t see them complaining that they are no good women out there, because they never had hard time to find good women and are taken ;)

[@lovejunkie490]

@@markprice5651 ​ you don’t see them complaining that they are no good women out there, because they never had hard time to find good women and are taken ;)

[@elizabethsaltmarsh8306]

I don't know if there's anything sexier than a man having to tell you with his words that he's a "high value male". 🙄

[@lavenderrose2045]

"A man of my caliber" 🤢🤢🤢

[@drsalka]

@@lavenderrose2045 yasss, that one! I almost suffocated on my own puke hearing that

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

Lemme harvest them “high value” organs real quick 👀

[@loveline119]

@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow the only time "high value" matters.

[@jingbot1071]

@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow Cruelty Squad Life

[@jdy89]

If they're that triggered by women loving their dogs so much, can't imagine what they'd have to say about my 5 cat children.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Hahaha say it louder for the back sister! Bet these same men also have animals they treat better than women and would dump a woman over if she said it was her or them. Lma

[@camelopardalis84]

My brain kind of registered that as "5-cat-children" and I imagined bundles of five cats that are fused together. Forming one child. One "5-cat-child".

[@Arcanist_Gaming]

@@camelopardalis84 Lmao. Thank you for the nonsensical, yet immensely humorous visual.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@Arcanist_Gaming You're welcome. 😺🐈😼🐈‍⬛🙀

[@Arcanist_Gaming]

@@camelopardalis84 I didn't notice your username until I went into my email... You just gave me a minor heart attack lmao

[@theinformedvegan6758]

misogynists telling us that they're not interested in marrying us? consider our mission accomplished.

[@ph4kiew]

Women cook, clean and take care of themselves unlike men. Women makes better spouse with women anyway 🧚🏻💍

[@saveriannathan1415]

Gg

[@philcollinslover56705]

gg lets goo

[@KshipsinKchups]

Ikr

[@thepagecollective]

No one hates a woman like a feminist. Hey ladies, be like your worst strawman of a man. Then say you are liberated. Don't forget your antidepressants!

[@RoastedSaltedPeanut]

Men think "I don't find that attractive" is such a scathing insult. I've been told by men that they don't find something I do "appealing" and when I didn't stop doing that, they got annoyed at me. My purpose in life isn't to make myself appealing to a group of people. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around? I follow a lot of female strength athletes and they constant get messages and comments from men saying " that's not attractive". Yeah mate this woman competing at the international level gives a shit if you find her attractive or not 🙄

[@vihmaussivenitaja]

The best answer to that is: "Why do you think I'm looking to attract you? Honest question?" 👁👄👁

[@mdgsk824]

There are many great men that are smart, attractive and kind and not sexist. Then on the opposite side you have these types of miserable jerks b*tching about women and setting absurd standards. To think that the most average-below average men in all aspects are some of the worst offenders as if they have any levarage at all. Really they should be trying the hardest. No shame. No logic.

[@elizabethchacon9993]

My brother in law tried to tell my daughter that she would be a lot happier if she just lowered her standards and just date anyone who wants her. The outrage on her face told me I had raised her right!

[@_b.4596]

My deepest condolences to whoever married that guy.

[@loveline119]

Where do men get this audacity?

[@EmotionsNeverLie]

So if she is already dating someone does she have to dump him to date the next person who asks her out?

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

Alot of men and women should lower their standards though.

[@mmmmyeah1849]

@@kauswekazilimani3736 I think they can keep their preferences, as long as they are not being demeaning and condescending towards those who don't meet is. Mutual kindness is a virtue.

[@mcwjes]

It's almost like they don't want to have a relationship, like between people who like each other. It's almost like they want an unpaid housekeeper. 🤔

[@drsalka]

👏👏

[@majlordag1889]

Somehow a lot of men get surprised when women don't want that when there's a million of other options for us nowdays since we can earn our own money easily

[@idajohannewahl9718]

And an unpaid sex worker and an unpaid nanny

[@wintersonnet]

A housekeeper they can rape too whenever it tickles their fancy. It's almost like a slave.

[@kristae.7686]

It's hard to fathom women wanting you for more than your money when stripping away the money you don't even like you. So, find a woman who will dote on you and, in return, you get an ego boost / trip and then when that isn't enough you find more women to use and feed your ego, and repeat. The root issue is never addressed this way, though - just the symptoms, and you cause a lot of harm in the process.

[@azulpargal]

"Women aren't willing to put their husband and kids before THEIR HAPPINESS" 😐 yeah... The good old days when women were "willing" to renounce their own happiness or satisfaction

[@mekko902]

@@Ale-ft4re I don't think being single into one's forties means what you think it means.

[@Ale-ft4re]

@@mekko902 what do you mean (question mark)

[@loveline119]

@@Ale-ft4re there is no moral point in marrying. It's literally a legal concept, it's a contract. Just like divorce. Getting a partner or being in a committed relationship is not the same as being married.

[@thekalenichannel1812]

@@Ale-ft4re being unmarried doesn’t equal hedonism. Not every woman is meant to be a mother just because she has the ability to conceive, same way not every male can be a father

[@mekko902]

@@Ale-ft4re Continuing to be single doesn't mean hedonism to a lot of people. It means building a community of friends and family. It means dating to different degrees depending on the person. It's living fully, pursuing a career, and contributing to your community through various means. It's no less meaningful than having a family, it just connects you to people in different ways.

[@FinntasticMrFox]

Hearing Mr. Fresh and Fit say "men of our caliber" killed something precious within my being. I don't usually dunk on people, but I don't understand how this dude is not embarrassed by his entire self.

[@cupcakes7308]

I agree. I don't get how someone so horrible can have such an unearned ego and sense of self-worth either. He talks like he's God's gift to women but he's really just a turd the Devil shat that's taken sentience.

[@sarcodonblue2876]

It is very LOL .

[@Heraclanthes]

Tara, please do a video discrediting the flawed logic that “women are naturally meant to be submissive to men according to nature. And that men are naturally meant to be assertive.” Because I’m really getting pissed to see people shovelling this propaganda to justify things like abuse, rape, polygyny, subservience, and pedophilia. Because it’s simply not true. Many species of animal the female is either neutral or dominant than the males. It’s not super common but it does happen often enough to discredit the notion. Furthermore why do we even need to base our living standards off animals anyway smh

[@cindymariesarabia6893]

Yess, actually, the most efficient and dangerous predator of the ocean world are female orcas hehe

[@strayiggytv]

It's always funny to me how the only animals dudes want to compare themselves to are lions and wolves. They won't compare themselves to say, birds of prey or hyenas because the female dominated the male. Heck even in Species with a dominant male, like horses, the band stallion risks a reproduction ending kick when he tries to mount a mare that's not ready. So hey PuAs and incels and other dudes pushing the alpha narrative. Why the f*ck are the only animals who's natural behavior you care about just happen to support your garbage world view? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@botanicalitus4194]

whats funny is that women are actually more biologically suited to be leaders, and this is true in MOST species when maIes are the head of the group, whether it be in chimps or lions or whatever, this does not mean they are responsible to LEAD the group, it just means 1 thing: They get the most mates. They have tons of seggs, but they do not carry the responsibility of the rest of the group Mostly bc they're animals and they dont have a sense of responsibility, EXCEPT for mothers. Mothers have highly conserved innate characteristics and genes that have evolved to make them proper leaders of their kids. Motherhood is the only form of leadership that has ever been biologically corroborated. As humans, we have sentience and the ability to change and learn, so anyone can be a good leader if they train themselves to be. But if ur looking for which gender is more biologically equipped to be leaders? It is objectively women.

[@Skag_Sisyphus]

Because lobsters, Xanax!

[@electraheart-g5e]

Respond to that statement with "and also do you know naturally the female will eat the males?"

[@VengefulAngeI]

That one woman made me feel embarrassed for all women. The last thing those guys needed was an affirmation that they were on the right track🤦🏽‍♀️

[@globalist1990]

Don’t feel like that. It’s just one person. She’s not you.

[@mirensummers7633]

I feel sorry for her, shes trying to get by in this patriarchal society by pandering to people with power coz she thinks it'll result in her being safe and secure, when the people she's pandering to are actually dangerous and don't care about her wants and needs at all. I hope she sees one day how much they've poisoned her view of herself and other women

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

People stray from true attempts at good, just make sure you keep the ones you love on the path 🥰

[@lookitskatiex]

The girl making the gag motion while she’s taking omfg 💀

[@mpGreen03]

I think that girl was in her "Pick me" phase. Give it some years and she would cringe at this video, of course unless she'll actually marry such a prick.

[@starsparks3150]

Was just discussing men and marriage in my country with my boyfriend and I was pointing out how most women with a certain level of education and financial independence just did not place marriage high on their priority list because marrying comes with a whole burden of outdated expectations and rampant misogyny. He, like the delightful beta he is, completely agreed with me that those women were definitely better off enjoying their lives in partnerships or being single. Yes this is a flex.

[@drsalka]

👏 love

[@GeteMachine]

Thenever wantto consider that young people cant afford or have time for marroasiage before they are financially stable let alone children, and that gap gets wider due to bad conservative politics that just uses religion to justify ignoring it.

[@katzea.a7880]

On top of that there always has been a certain margin of the population that due to intrinsic circumstances weren't going to marry anyway, now it's seems like there's more of them thanks to women's rights, there is no need to be married in order to be better off anymore

[@heyhorinshi]

Not even the women you didn’t describe want it, exactly why they aren’t like that they know the shit could escalate quickly and they don’t want it that’s why all the rage is getting louder

[@Jonmad17]

No one wants to spend the second half of their lives alone, which I think is the primary reason people still want to get married in the first place

[@BenefitCounterbench]

Ironic that men complain about women not putting marriage before their own happiness, meanwhile there's a worldwide meme of runaway dads who "just go out for milk", prioritizing their own happiness over marriage and kids.

[@zoesalamahill]

They want me give up my fulfilling job that I got a degree for, stop putting “[my] personal happiness over a family” so I’m miserable, marry an “Alpha” man who doesn’t even try to give me an orgasm, this same dude cheats on me flagrantly because “that’s what ‘men’ do”, I have little to no access to money, and I’m forced to have as many children as my husband wants regardless of what I want. Is… is that the deal they’re trying to sell us? This was supposed to be APPEALING!!????

[@jhnnbhfvv6405]

Don’t forget you might get STD because he is sleeping around because he is an “alpha” and “high valued”.

[@Lucinoxe_Halliday]

That’s the thing, though; it’s not supposed to be appealing to women because these men were never supposed to be negotiating with another person in the first place, at least in their heads. To them, marriage is about taking what (other men have told them) is theirs by rights, not from other people but from people-shaped resources, who will naturally be fulfilled by the taking thanks to their ingrained people-shaped resource nature.

[@ladybug3380]

Sounds very depressing, ow I see why women don’t want to get married.

[@prairieN]

That’s why they worked so hard to keep women out of education and careers and why so many of these men want to take away voting rights and working rights. They know it’s not appealing. They have to use institutional power to force it

[@lacexv]

"Women are no longer marriageable" is just code for "women do not like me"

[@axolotlinabucket1287]

also _"i want a sex slave freudian mommy/daughter who would do everything i want from her and then some, how dare her valuing herself and her free will and self intrest and freedom more then ME AND MY FEELING WHAAAA---"_

[@Lemoncakelover678]

I think it's also 'im going to generalise women to be all bad because of my/someone's personal experience'

[@pelvispressley5139]

This is it.

[@mellie4174]

More like women are refusing to be a legal slave

[@registroprogramas4668]

Its more like "I personally do not want to marry the women I know" Its his personal view, nothing more

[@simplelife5617]

I wish I had the confidence of these mediocre guys. "You should marry me because I'll criticise you endlessly, never give you an orgasm and literally don't even care who you are. Why doesn't anyone want me? I'm offering such a great deal? Is it me? No, clearly it's the women who need to change" Literally HOW do they rationalise this stuff?

[@Hachizukatenzo]

The twist is any sensible man is cucking them.

[@zahraakadhem9913]

Theyre not intelligent or self-reflective enough for that. Ignorance is definitely bliss in this case for them lol

[@OfficialROZWBRAZEL]

A term I heard someone use is a 'Philosophy of Failure.' It's not a bunch of people congregating to actually _improve_ their lives...that's never the real point of media made by men like this. It's to vent resentment and make excuses for why they're failures at the thing being complained about and how some nebulous, insurmountable enemy (it's women and their rights this time around 🙄) is entirely at fault and keeping them from being adequate. That's the reason their talk is focused around a rationale of why lowering standards is good, actually, and wanting something *_actually_*_ good_ is entitlement because in their entitled delusions, you have no right to reject them. Therefore, they are justified in rambling endlessly about and taking their anger out on women as a whole. Basically these dudes need therapy, and instead decided to start a podcast

[@FocusedFighter777]

....THAT is the thing: they have z e r o logic.... It is insane. They live in another reality, seriously.

[@markprice5651]

How do women rationalize that men always need to change to please the women?

[@dominiquesantistevan1115]

After hearing that quote about how women's orgasms aren't important I felt a great disturbance in the force...as if every vagina he's been in contact with suddenly cried out in disgust and continued dissatisfaction. It was a terrifying sound.

[@nora4642]

Bold of you to assume that he’s touched multiple vaginas.

[@jeremywood7250]

I think the order 69 Will not be excecuted 😔

[@shadow_shine3578]

Hope it wasn't very many...

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

So.. a sad queef

[@nat123.]

Imagine telling on yourself that hard and even realizing it.

[@misssilvercrown]

I think it's funny how all the red pill/blue pill guys are obsessed with freeing yourself from the matrix, when the people who wrote it meant the matrix to be cis normativity

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Well, to be several things, the trans allegory is only one theme they put into it. Not sure they'd appreciate the Jewish metaphors, the Communism allegory or the dive into whether or not free will is real in a system that controls everything, either.

[@amb600cd0]

@@Jane-oz7pp people see anti authoritarian are and use a faulty understanding of what communism is to day thats what its about. itñl always happen untill thats made disconnected

[@globalist1990]

Any story can be relatable to others in very different ways. The trans issue wasn’t exactly obvious, imo, unless you yourself were going through something like it.

[@Gamingpandacat]

we should start calling them trans cuz you know, that's what the red pill did back in the days, estrogen

[@Kick0a0cat]

@@Jane-oz7pp Jewish metaphors?

[@a.harrington1634]

Wait, women are no longer marriageable? I'm... free from the patriarchy? I can become a reclusive woods witch freely? Praise the Moo-Mother! 🐄👏🏽 Edited for typo.

[@onbearfeet]

...are the woods roomy enough for a second witch? Because GOALS. If it helps, I regularly bake too much and I love to share with my fellow witches. 💜

[@that0nerandomperson374]

I’m a science person; I don’t believe in witch stuff. Some people doing the witch thing are based. I mayn’t be a witch but might I come to your woods now and again bearing gifts and supplies from the outside world with my payment being your friendship and a place to hang out sometimes?

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

Let's be a coven

[@Demonically666]

Count me in!

[@zahraakadhem9913]

oh fuck yes count me in

[@victoriablake3826]

Hearing men unironically use terms like ‘beta male’ is cringe worthy and eye roll inducing. Hearing a woman say it? A bat to the face

[@issecret1]

It's a real beta move

[@marcilk7534]

If there was a real thing as a beta male, that’s the kind of man I’d want anyways.

[@marcilk7534]

@@fabianlopez-toro6887 I think of it as a soft hearted guy, the kind that would rather watch the birds than watch football, the kind that will sit and talk about feelings and spirituality, the kind who is empathetic and compromising, the kind who would say “what would you like?” because he genuinely cares about pleasing others.

[@marcilk7534]

@@fabianlopez-toro6887 I wouldn’t want to be with the guy who walks in a group and is the leader. I want the quiet man who sits in the corner reading a book because he’s just a little awkward in big groups.

[@Wyvern-lt8lw]

@@fabianlopez-toro6887 Alpha/Beta Dynamics aren't real lol.

[@RowanWarren78]

This isn't exactly on the main topic but... I'm 44, happily married for over 20 years, and still get crap regularly on my choice not to have kids. I'm constantly told, mostly by young men, how miserable I will be without children. Yeah, I'm still very happy and fulfilled. They really seem bothered by this fact.😆

[@Overseer2579]

Yeah don’t worry about it dude. I live down the block from a very sweet old married couple and they’ve never had kids. And to me, I’m like, “Okay. That’s what makes them happy.” Other people telling you you’re gonna regret not having kids when you’re already middle aged, married and are still satisfied with your decision, is only their issue, not yours

[@RowanWarren78]

@@Overseer2579 thank you for your kind words.

[@Overseer2579]

@@RowanWarren78 You're welcome!

[@sarcodonblue2876]

People are threatened by those who make different choices and are different to them. In fact most people loathe those not like them

[@Overseer2579]

@@sarcodonblue2876 like when I dared to voice my honest opinion that I was disappointed by The Batman in my Film 337 class, lol. Like vultures swooping in to pick from a carcass

[@ms_cartographer]

Men: "Women are no longer marriage material". Me, a woman: "That's supposed to be a problem?".

[@firecracker3911]

👍

[@tdelioncourt1268]

Me, an aro woman: g o o d

[@ms_cartographer]

I'd rather stay single instead of be with someone who expects me to be a trad wife, or give up my own lifestyle of working and being independent. Once I get a work from home job in my field, I can adopt a child, or get a sperm donor still and be a single parent; or marry a woman who doesn't buy into the trad wife shit.

[@McCammalot]

@@tdelioncourt1268 girl, same.

[@KshipsinKchups]

Ikr. Who wants to be a grown man's maid? Not me

[@CatHasOpinions734]

I have a friend who's a man who was just talking to me about how great feminist progress was for het relationships because putting men and women on more equal footing means that relationships between them can be healthier and happier, and that eliminating the need for women to be with men in order to have rights/ safety/ financial stability/ etc. means that men will be more able to trust that women are with them for the best possible reason: love and affection, freely chosen because society isn't coercing them to just pick some guy whether they want to or not. And it was a lovely, very affirming conversation... and listening to these "high-value males" complain about women not feeling the need to get married anymore just... gentlemen, you are many things, but if I had to rank your value against other men, it is not high.

[@tumelotefo4767]

The first time I see someone saying what I have been thinking. Your friend is a very intelligent man.

[@ardenicc]

This is amazing

[@icravedeath.1200]

I'm very much like your friend then, I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine about how removing necessity is very alleviating for both people in the relationship.

[@llywelyngruffydd8474]

None of this corresponds to the general statistical picture. Why don't you go look at it.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

@@llywelyngruffydd8474 which "general statistical picture" are you referring to? It's simple historical fact that in many places and circumstances women weren't able to inherit, do their own banking, or make major purchases on their own behalf, and were literally societally prevented from having safety and security unless they married. Same with any agency in politics, the notion that a woman's involvement in politics must be filtered through her husband was so firmly believed that one of the main arguments against women's suffrage was that it would amount to two votes for married men (completely forgetting that these are two distinct individuals that might not agree on every single politician and ballot initiative). Granted, there is still some external pressure, but it's gotten a LOT better, and the less external pressure there is, the more everyone can trust that if they do wind up with someone, it's because that person chose them, pure and simple.

[@SteffBrockley]

You get one life. About eightyish years if you’re lucky. You get to spend that time with a brain you can use to chew on anything you’d like - philosophy, science, humour, creativity, love, history, astronomy, charity, biodiversity, construction, fantasy. Imagine instead wasting all that time filling it with the shit these dudes like to dwell on. I just feel sorry for them.

[@harriet.z]

Exactly.

[@Hyenalowena]

I mean, they *are* spending a lot of time in a land of fantasy.... 😂

[@Alexis_005]

Wasting time using terms like beta male, Alpha male and high value men 🤣

[@autumntaylor1031]

They're ideals are so damaging I don't even care to feel sorry for them, I just feel nothing, they hate us. They can choke on their misogyny

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Best comment on here I'd argue. Huge exciting world out there to experience. I know I'd want to experience it before death, rather than just spend it in the kitchen... Just sayin lol.

[@twistysunshine]

"Some women won't put marriage before their personal happiness" a good marriage would include her personal happiness But of course to him the definition of marriage is his personal happiness and control

[@DocAcher]

E x a c t l y

[@robertkillingsworth7149]

I love being an angry feminist with my girlfriend, it's one of our favorite date night activities.

[@tkhachi]

Wholesome 🥰

[@chansfeet2500]

Now this is the kind of relationship I would like in the future.

[@thepagecollective]

I'm sure it's very smug and tedious.

[@OneSkyWarrior]

There are a lot of mentally secure good guys out there....most likely already in healthy committed relationships. They go fast. We need more of them.

[@notbadsince97]

@@OneSkyWarrior Or the just fuck around a lot

[@depgabby]

“They’re not willing to put marriage and family ahead of their personal happiness” = I don’t see women as people but as objects designed for my enjoyment

[@meinenklinke]

Yeah, they’re trying to acquire women like a house or a car. Part of their life, but not an independent human being with their own thoughts and desires.

[@Envy_May]

i wonder what they would be willing to put in front of their personal happiness if they had any

[@KshipsinKchups]

Never happening. Has a woman I put me first.

[@depgabby]

@@Envy_May nothing. Not even their kids. These types of men are the ones who were spoiled growing up and think they’re entitled to people’s time and priorities. They think the “man of the house” should be everyone’s priority at the expense of their own happiness while he doesn’t bring anything to the table. Outrageous really

[@hellenmuka7207]

I caught that took..."her happiness" =inconsequential

[@Dark_Red_Echo]

These guys really still believe that marriage should be the most important thing in a woman’s life, and don’t realize that most women don’t feel that way anymore because you can legally have your own bank account and house/car title now without a man. There is no lethal systemic oppression forcing you to desperately search for a man to tie yourself to so you can access basic rights. Like yeah, women used to worry about marriage like their life depended on it because it really did-You can’t exist with any safety or stability if you can’t safely build wealth and don’t even legally own your own clothes. Your life really couldn’t begin until someone declared you legally allowed to have property. Dudes really think it’s some sort of revelation to call us “unmarriageable” when that’s literally the point-They need to catch up with the rest of the class and realize there is no value in giving up your freedom, energy, and resources to support someone who views you as an object, when you could have the whole bed to yourself, get a really nice vibrator, and only be responsible for your own emotions and problems. Yeah, I’m unmarriageable-I’m independently stable and can’t be coerced into oppressive power dynamics anymore. Duh. Tell me something I don’t know.

[@wintersonnet]

Beautifully said!

[@danceandmore88]

@kshamwhizzle My godmother once said to me: "If you don't find a man, you could also get yourself a nice woman, in your generation that's not unusual." I had never introduced a man to her, so she assumed I had "problems". My cousin's wife also suggested a random waiter in a pizzeria because he had "kind eyes". Literally, after he had taken our order, she said: "Wouldn't he be a good match for you? He has kind eyes." I had never discussed my relationship status or anything private in general with her, but she apparently had to make sure I was - I don't even know what, "taken" probably. Most people just assume that everybody absolutely wants to be in a relationship, and if you are, you're supposed to present your partner to everyone you know. Too much to unpack here.

[@danceandmore88]

@kshamwhizzle Exactly, people project their fears onto others. To them, being in a dysfunctional relationship is better than being single. It also took me a while to understand what I actually want from a relationship, instead of just "making it work". There are so many toxic ideas about relationships, it's hard to figure out what works for you if you didn't have healthy role models. And social pressure doesn't help at all.

[@danceandmore88]

@kshamwhizzle Yes, all these stereotypes about women and men and how dating works, "how to be irresistible", "how to get any man you want", they all contribute to insecurity and unhealthy relationship patterns. What I've learned is that ignoring things that bother you about a person doesn't work long term, you'll start feeling resentful eventually, and prioritizing a relationship over yourself is not a good idea. So being brutally honest with yourself is essential, getting clarity about who you are as a person and being authentic are so important for life in general, and relationships in particular. And in order to get there, we need to unlearn a lot of social conditioning. It's great that nowadays there are smart people on social media who question stereotypes and gender norms and hopefully inspire others to like themselves as they are. However, I think those who propagate simplistic concepts and black-and-white thinking will always have the larger audience.

[@sarcodonblue2876]

I agree. When you are emotional you are viewed as high maintenance and when you decide to build skills which help you deal with how you feel and cope better in life then you are now not marriage material.

[@oceansapphire1311]

“Women are gold diggers!!!” Sweetie, you’re barely staying afloat there is no gold to dig…

[@pls-shanice]

I love how he says “they’re all 30+” as a bad thing but he’s 100% over 30… like men can age but women can’t

[@KshipsinKchups]

Ikr at 30 and before that they have wrinkly disgusting dcks

[@Calculus2005]

because women are seen as objects which lose value overtime .😢 it's really messed up

[@katelady1370]

Men want a woman who can have kids. It is what it is. After 30 it starts to get a lot harder to have kids.

[@melelconquistador]

They think men and women have a double standard when it comes to aging. They have this concept of women hitting a wall in dating when it comes to the intersection of a certain age and physical attractiveness since they believe society holds that as important in regards to women. While they think men have a trend to become attractive economically over time. It is really silly and mired in both misogyny and misandry, since men don't like the idea of being taken advantage of economically, meanwhile they physically objectify women for age.

[@ACollectorNotAHoarder]

its especially funny since men don't take care of themselves and generally age like sh*t. women age much better.

[@kaskus7147]

The thing that I am most confused about is, do men want gold diggers or don't they? The traditional wife is not actually what men want. They want a sex doll/mommy/mute with her own money that appears from nowhere.

[@TiffyVella1]

It's a real dichotomy that women cannot win. Don't be a gold digger. Don't be a bitchy feminist. Maybe they espouse it because it is impossible and they just want to hate women.

[@juliee593]

The traditional wife is the head of the household. She manages finances, the upkeep of the estate, the personnel if there is any... That would be too much power in the hands of a woman for these insecure men.

@@juliee593 exactly. They really just want a slave atp.

[@juliee593]

@Smartass 3000 is this experimental prose poetry or something? Because I somehow know all the words inside that comment but can not figure out what you're trying to say in the slightest. Love the username though

[@zahraakadhem9913]

@Smartass 3000 tf? U aright?

[@Discrete1998]

I choked on my chip and almost DIED hearing Fried and Flavorless call them selves “the top 1% of male earners”. I think I’ll be suing for a new throat and lung, thanks 💀

[@iBenjamin1000]

they're probably like, barely above the middle of the 99%

[@themonecollective]

screaming @ Fried and Flavourless 😂😂😂😂

[@auroradlg154]

So many men (understandably) complain about gold diggers and then there's these men, wishing women were all gold diggers so the standard could be lowered to simply "he's got money".

[@riz7855]

fried and flavorless LMAO 😭

[@hellenmuka7207]

Elon musk is seething...

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Any man who wants to protect me more than please me is an immediate no. I'm not a child, I don't need protection. Could sure go for a good time, though. Also if a man obsesses over protecting you, he doesn't care about protecting you, it's about control.

[@divitiae]

Exactly. What do these guys think they are even protecting women from?

[@fiery_scream]

@@divitiae Other men. o_o

[@TiffyVella1]

@@fiery_scream .....other men like them.

[@juliee593]

@@fiery_scream yes, it's often a projection problem. They know deep down that they're shitty, they will assume every other guy is as shitty as them, so they will try to stop women from interacting with other men. Or it can also be internalised misandry. They've been told that every man is a filthy beast that can't be trusted around women, and they wholeheartedly believe it.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

@not beta read That's a tasty spud there

[@claudiajade624]

I think they're confusing 'can't get married' with 'don't want to'. And also, did they stop to think that maybe they/these men aren't 'marriage material'? 🤔

[@happyxdragon1215]

the thought of it probably never crossed their mind

[@jhnnbhfvv6405]

The sleep before marriage and claim men cheating is. I want to get married but these men aren’t even in my list because I want a loyal and virgin man, not a rich asshole

[@cactustactics]

The sheer number of women crammed into that room feels like they hoped one of them would be up for marrying one of the dudes

[@peachbooks3199]

they have no self-awareness and huge narcissists

[@Uneclipsed]

To the man who prioritizes "protection" over his partner's orgasms; Congratulations, you've done what you set out to do. By admitting this outright, you're protecting women from yourself.

[@TiffyVella1]

That part was absolutely chilling.

[@juliee593]

And also how are both of these things mutually exclusive? How are they even in competition? Giving your partner orgasms and protecting them are totally unrelated things and one absolutely does not stop you from doing the other. There is no reason to create a dichotomy here. He was just looking for an excuse to neglect his partners.

[@rhokesh4391]

Protection from what?

[@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494]

@@rhokesh4391 Other men like them, who will try to steal their "high value" woman. I mean, in their world there's ONLY guys like them and "Betas", who apparently don't stand a chance in the dating market. The idea that a man NOT like them could win over a woman they're willing to "protect", because he doesn't feel the need to prove himself with their empty rhetoric and is also very happy with his partner having orgasms, is anathema to them.

[@tonichan89]

It's hilarious because they call the female orgasm worthless; I'm assuming they're using the metric that the female orgasm doesn't make babies... and by that measure, blowjobs are also useless. I hope they are abstaining from such useless things!

[@YonekuniKyuhyun]

"Women are not marriageable" The millions of failed marriages throughout history: 👁👄👁 good for her

[@erenssister.5535]

My own grandmother told me I was lucky that I do not have to stay married to keep myself alive. She suffered a lot of emotional abuse from my grandfather. If that is what being "marriageable" looks like then I don’t wanna.

[@nikkismodernlife]

"women are no longer marriageable" = women are no longer economically and sociologically dependent on men honestly these men can cry all they want about that, but the fact that they have an easily accessible platform to turn impressionable teenagers into mysogynists is concerning.

[@drsalka]

👏 my thoughts exactly (especially the first "half" of your comment).

[@MeghanBean]

That’s what scares me like when I hear misogyny is going out of style I think …but there’s a next generation cominggg

[@midnightmave]

Not just teenagers but any guy who is frustrated with dating. I was trying to set my brother-in-law up with a sweet woman from my church until he started talking like them. He's in his mid 20s!! One thing I'm not going to do is subject an innocent woman to that misogynistic bullshit.

[@grantwithers]

"women are no longer economically and sociologically dependent on men" You say that, but in reality a super lot of them are. Especially when it comes to providing for a fam, and double especially when it comes to retirement planning/saving. And if not for the government robbing men to give to women en masse those numbers would be even larger.

[@KshipsinKchups]

@@grantwithersA lot of them are cause they choose to not be your maid. They'd rather stay alone than with men like you misogynist in cels

[@mcgee779]

“What in the Jordan Peterson is this” killed me 💀 I know a JP fanboy and it’s just too accurate lmao

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Yaaa my dad's a JP fanboy lmfao

[@camelopardalis84]

The wording in the post also very clearly let evil Kermit come to *my* mind.

[@TiffyVella1]

I did a tiny squeal of joy at that phrase.

[@bellebwells9782]

@@camelopardalis84 I'm sorry to ask but what's evil kermit? is it related to one of Tara's videos

[@camelopardalis84]

@@bellebwells9782 Oh, no. It's just Jordan Peterson. A lot of people comment on how he sounds like Kermit the Frog and refer to him as "Kermit" in one form or another. He sounds like Kermit the Frog and he's evil. That is what my calling Jordan Peterson "Evil Kermit" was based on. (He is at least the evil one among Kermit the Frog and Jordan Peterson if you have to pick one of them to call "evil".) And no need to apologise. It wasn't all that obvious. I'm just used to people getting such references/"inside" jokes, so I feel no need to explain without being asked about it. It surprises me how quickly people (including me) start getting them in many cases. If something's still not clear, just ask again.

[@missm-ky2od]

The fact the guy repeatedly says "women should put their husband and family before their own happiness/satisfaction/career" and NEVER sees a problem with that sentence????????? These guys don't just want their future wives to be happy and fulfilled in the relationship. They want their relationship to be their wives ONLY source of happiness and fulfillment. Which is manipulative and controlling. Also??? "Men of our calibre".....excuse me while I go throw up...

[@sarcodonblue2876]

So true . Women are more social than men in general and need a community more than men do and won't be happy isolated at home.

[@tessa8182]

Guy: "It's more important to protect her than to please her." Me: "So, you're admitting that you've never made a woman orgasm before?"

[@Abby-gx4qi]

You win 🤣

[@gouki4u]

Every time I see these red pill guys (just learned the term manosphere today) complain about not being able to find a woman who fell out of a wormhole from some year before 1920, I just think, "The women aren't the ones in this equation who are unmarriageable, bro. How's that for a harsh reality?"

[@lisasetiawan3552]

Dude, please tell me what red/blue pill guys mean because im confused lol

[@thewisesage535]

@@lisasetiawan3552 they take it from the matrix, where the red pill is rejecting the matrix and joining the real world, and the blue pill is remaining in the matrix. they take the metaphor of the red pill and (incorrectly) apply it to rejecting the matrix as rejecting feminism and all the recent human rights advancements we've made in the past few years for women and queer folk.

[@fionacurrin]

@@lisasetiawan3552 it's a reference to the matrix movies, in which the red pill wakes people up out of the matrix and the blue pill enables them to continuing believing the lies in peace...but the way that these types of guys misuse that metaphor is pretty much entirely contradictory to the movies themselves lol

[@michaelkenner3289]

Even if a woman from 1920s fell out of a wormhole, I don't think those men would meet her standards.

[@mmmmyeah1849]

@@michaelkenner3289 bullshit. You don't even understand how bad it was. Those women would probably throw themselves at anyone because of the scarcity of guys due to the war.

[@tyrosinetek]

When I was in University, there was a sentiment that started flowing through Christian circles that women should give men a chance if the man “Loves Jesus, Has a Job, is Single” (can’t remember it exactly, but this is the sentiment). These guys basically have the same opinion but replace “Loves Jesus” with “Loves being rich” I was painfully single at that time and even then I thought it was a terrible oversimplification. It was only when I became a better person that women started finding me attractive.

[@strayiggytv]

Glad you escaped that stupid crap.

[@dayharper9637]

Thank you for this.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Yeah making yourself better for *you* will make your life better. I wish more men would do the work to better themselves instead of forcing their partners to do it. If you want a metaphorical 10 but still don't want to clean your dirty underwear, why are you surprised when no one wants that. Wash ya ass, be normal and ask questions of yourself and other of how to be your best selves. It's not easy but it's better than being some angry, loner loser.

[@tyrosinetek]

@@maybemablemaples2144 I've been slowly listening to See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill as it covers some pretty horrific examples of domestic abuse. One of the stories mentioned talks about how one person was convicted by a talk that said "You would die for your children, so why won't you change for them?" The most we can do is shine a light on people who would rather be angry than face uncomfortable truths.

[@brokenmilk5885]

Maybe I'm just tired but hearing this brought tears to my eyes. It's so fucking awesome that you worked hard and managed to become a better person. I'm really trying, and I hope I can be like you one day. Fuck yeah, man! I hope you have the incredible life you fucking deserve!!

[@fusionspace175]

Marriage is supposed to be a partnership, neither should be devoting themselves to the other's success without that same effort in return. It can be mutually beneficial, we all have strengths and weaknesses, the idea is to find someone who matches yours. But even then, many people just don't need a piece of paper to solidify that relationship, we stay together by choice, even for many years. I don't think these men are fit for relationships in general, the way they view women. Maybe hookup culture and dating apps have changed the game somewhat, but I'd guess people doing that aren't looking for long term anything to begin with. The advice they usually give is meant for that arena, I don't think they know the first thing about a long term equal partnership.

[@fusionspace175]

@Tiny E Oh I just mean these men on the podcast and incels, they sound very similar. I've been with a woman I consider my wife for 17 years, though we aren't officially married, we're both weird enough people that we both feel there's no better match. She tells me I'm the smart one and I tell her she's the hot one, but she's pretty smart herself and I look pretty okay, I'm more emotionally communicative but I know how to get through her shell, and she helps me not worry so much and to be happier. And she's definelty the stylish one and the decorator where I'm a better organizer and finder of things. When you find your one, you don't always know right away, we were more on and off in our youth, but we've been very stable for about 15 of those years, and it gives our kids that stability and both of our good sides. There is a benefit to commitment when you start a family, and I think we have that without a piece of paper.

[@tatiana4050]

The funny part is these guys will blame women for hookup culture, but they still want hookups while married.

[@roxyroxelle]

These guys need a mom and a servant at the same time.

[@grantwithers]

"Marriage is supposed to be a partnership" Um no. For thousands of years it was a literal ownership arrangement.

[@grantwithers]

"I don't think these men are fit for relationships in general, the way they view women. " Of course they aren't. Most (literally) of them don't even want "a relationship". They want sex and/or a family etc. The commitment/"relationship" is just the barrier to entry duh.

[@NadezdaBeka]

"Why women can't get married?" *Me opening Facebook only to see engagement rings and wedding photos* It's funny how some people are also pressed by women marrying a couple of years later than before but still having kids. Why does it affect your life when someone marries at 28 rather than 22?

[@sparklyunicorn5431]

They want to control women, that's all.

[@martaaleksejczuk1660]

Exactly, I know plenty of people getting married, most of them in mid 20s. Maybe all these dudes just need new friends.

[@J-manli]

Some men have insecurities about being compared to other men by the women they romance. Typically, the younger a woman is, the less chance she has of having previous partners. There's also the desire to be the leading/ dominant partner rather than an equal partner. Younger means less life experience which in turn makes them easier to manipulate. It's an absolutely icky mentality that proves just how insecure those type of men truly are.

[@J-manli]

@Ya'aqov'el, the Nomad Soul More specifically to devalue older and mature women and “justify” their pursuit of younger (and more importantly less experienced) women.

[@NadezdaBeka]

@Ya'aqov'el, the Nomad Soul Your first statement is false. Plenty of highschoolers have had more partners than plenty of adults adults. It's about someone's personality, not age. Yes, fertility is declining but it's still high in your late 20s and in 30s if you had kids before. Let's be real, people don't care about women's fertility, they're pissed that times are changing and women are choosing their path.

[@aspacelex]

When redpillers say marriage, they mean having a maid broodmare fully dependent on them, an unmarriageable woman to them is a woman who wants to be treated like a person - so basically any woman, not even like a feminist actively deconstructing the patriarchy.

[@scoopitywoop]

But God forbid she want to be a housewife. Gold digger much??

[@roaroa5291]

That's what they mean by "feminism ruined relationships/society" or "the feminist mindvirus": the idea that women deserve equal rights, including and especially the right to the pursuit of happiness.

[@aurora8749]

Right, they want someone who is too mentally unstable to survive on their own.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@roaroa5291 and yet the number of women on antidepressants has risen over the passed 40 years. Currently about 1 in 5 women compared to 1 in 10 men. Seems like the more pursuit of happiness women have, the more miserable they are according to the stats.

[@kaavyaramachandran5486]

@@TheSergio1021 right and this depression will somehow magically go away if women leave all of their hopes and dreams behind to tie herself down to a man who will treat her like a slave for the rest of her life? if we were truly happy with the roles that society had given us years ago, feminism would not have existed would it?

[@agroteraaaa]

the whole concept of high-value and low-value people makes my head hurt.

[@kathleenherzik9858]

YES!!!

[@kushdax4888]

lol not everybody is equal thats just a sad fact about life

[@dadbodenvy4247]

@@kushdax4888 yeah but it's not like there's some sort of naturally occurring numerical value system passed down by God or nature or anything. We define "value" ourselves, it's something we made up

[@amandajay7922]

@@kushdax4888 but when they base it on materialistic, surface nonsense that's when it's harmful-to the individuals and to society as a whole. We're better than this.

[@wmurd]

I see those men as low-value, sorry

[@saxviars9749]

haven't watched the video yet but this topic reminds me of my mom who would often weaponize "you'll never get a husband" on me as critiques on whatever she wanted to be petty about in that moment/argument. Thankfully, it never worked because finding a * husband* was not a life purpose of mine in my teens or even now i'm my early 20s lol.

[@KD-ou2np]

Im glad that you didn't internalize that too deeply... some do and its a very difficult idea to shake

[@fireflybutton1939]

all i can think when i read this is "dont threaten me with a good time" XD

[@lisasetiawan3552]

Glad those words didnt bring you down. I know a woman that is also like that and she was whining when i said that i dont think i want to get married lol.

[@riceball1232]

Same here. I just replied her “yeah you got married and look at where you at now” (her married life is pretty miserable) and the convo ended there.

[@Himanshi.Y]

It was the opposite for me, she would threaten me with marriage. 'if you don't study/ get good grades we'll marry you off. ' I'm 22 now and recently had a conversation with my mother that i don't want kids and I'm not sure about marriage either and she was surprised like women you throughout my childhood made it seem like it was a punishment like what do you expect 🙄

[@ripwednesdayadams]

I love when middle aged men refer to women over 30 with disdain as if we should be desperately throwing ourselves at their feet. 😂

[@JordanS-ww4eu]

I don’t I’m a 32 year old man and I don’t think that’s a nice thing to call women of any age

[@avagrace8636]

it’s automatically a good day when tara posts

[@NOACCEPTANCE772]

You can repeat that a thousand times!

[@yurinoworry]

It’s automatically a good day when tara posts

[@nicoleallen3079]

I whole heartedly agree!!!!

[@thesoyboysofficial]

100%

[@rocko8544]

agreed

[@j.g.3293]

Tara is stronger than any alpha for tanking the psychic damage of watching alpha podcasts for content

[@mckenzielangendorf1437]

Fr 😭😭 sometimes I have to skip the clips cuz I can’t handle it loll

[@dori_casper]

@@mckenzielangendorf1437 anytime i hear them I think, this can't be that bad than they continue to speak and I wanna pumch them

[@Hachizukatenzo]

She's not afraid of the potential cucking of her neurons watching that. She's the real alpha.

[@ddjsoyenby]

alpha more like ultimate beta!

[@bridgetcooney5085]

My career doesn't come first because I'm a feminist, though I am. It comes first because we live in a capitalist hell scape, and I've finally, at 32, come close to a point where I can stand on my own to feet and help support my partner, my family, and my seven cats.

[@Mylittlestcorner]

Yaaassssss seven cats

[@mycatwilleatyou7569]

I hope your seven cats are happy

[@bridgetcooney5085]

@@mycatwilleatyou7569 spoiled rotten, and very loved

[@ThisIsNotRelevant]

Completely agree with this 👏🏻

[@zerayacob3246]

Seven cats? You can't make this shit up.

[@dinahsaur7999]

Why can't marriage and family be apart of women's happiness instead of women HAVING to put marriage and family AHEAD of their own happiness? These men are trying to MAKE women want marriage and children when some women just don't want that. Also, many women do want marriage and children, but they just don't want that to be their WHOLE identity!! They don't want to be controlled by their husbands. They just want a loving family and husband, but these men will never be that because they INSIST on controlling women because of their low view of us.

[@problematicbitch8014]

Spot on girl

[@edgaranalhoe7678]

Me, a lesbian: G O O D.

[@KilgoreTroutAsf]

Love your username

[@goobertron9099]

Me an aroace (evil laughter)

[@dtown_demon]

@@goobertron9099 damn, u stole my comment lol

[@edgaranalhoe7678]

@Smartass 3000 highest deez and nuts rate

[@KshipsinKchups]

@Smartass 3000 you are dmb

[@HollieTash]

I can't believe he just unironically and seriously says he's in the 1% of men, and top shelf. Amazing.

[@TheHanyuuuuu]

Someone should told him that it doesn't count when you say it about yourself.

[@grantwithers]

Actually not as hard to achieve as you might be thinking.

[@cupcakes7308]

@@grantwithers There are billions of people in the world, you'd have to be a great person and great partner to be in the top 1% of men. Interestingly, most men who claim to be in the 1% of men are barely functioning human beings and are incapable of respecting other humans as people with rights. It's never the guy who does charity work, who adopts a dog from the shelter, and is a loyal loving good partner who calls himself part of the 1% percent of men. It's the mysogynistic scum who think women owe them their bodies and subservience. They're the ones who typically call themselves the 1% of men. They think they're a gift from God when really they're just a turd the Devil shat.

[@Blackbeardf3b]

Do they think there’s a bunch of men dying to get married at the expense of their happiness?

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

Alot of men and women do that.

[@juliee593]

I mean, in extremely religious communities, yes... Because they're super brainwashed into thinking they absolutely have to get married and it's a mandatory step in every person's life. So even if it doesn't bring them happiness, they will do it because absolutely everyone they know expects that of them, and it's the only way for them to experience a romantic or sexual relationship, as well as a sense of belonging. To them, there is zero other option on the radar other than marriage.

[@grantwithers]

@@juliee593 You do know that there is, or at least usually is, a whole lot of people in those "brainwashedlol" communities that do that of their own accord anyway, as the alternative(s) is correctly described as basically a shtfest (what we see nowadays).

[@WhiteScorpio2]

Cue "I hate my wife" boomer jokes.

[@DreamwithintheHeart]

12:01 My man just admitted that he can't please a woman, or at least get her to climax because he believes it's "useless" to HIM, and that's both pathetic and sad.

[@evelynemilia]

my dad literally had a discussion with me over this this morning and here comes this video

[@coffeen1999]

@Lila Pearson Yup, I'm curious too.

[@evelynemilia]

@Lila Pearson basically what the podcast men said lmao but after a while he came to realise that "its better than you girls [me & my sisters] marrying stupid men"

[@Emiliapocalypse]

Unrelated but your name is Emilia too! That’s neat. Also would love to know how that conversation with your dad went

[@ExoticMerle]

My sincerest apologies to you (and your mother)

[@renaigh]

Is he married?

[@Larissa-eo3pt]

I'm struggling to understand why these kinds of men want to be married at all. Or, more accurately, why they feel entitled to being in a marriage? When it's socially acceptable to cohabitate and to have children without being married, why is it necessary to "lock her down" when having a child and eventually paying child support is already enough of a commitment? What is it that they think a marriage will provide that a long-term relationship cannot without that label? I can't think of a single wholesome reason why these men would want marriage instead of just a great relationship with a woman who is their equal. They can't sustain a relationship because they're misogynistic, controlling, arrogant, and narcissistic. Not because they're so great and women's priorities are screwed up. If what they wanted was stability, monogamy, parenthood, and to build a life with another person whose autonomy is as precious to them as their own, they could have that in a heartbeat. But those are not their motivations. They want a woman to be their arm candy and domestic servant. And they're angry that we have progressed past the days when a woman NEEDED a man, because she didn't have rights to own property or even have her own bank account.

[@Uneclipsed]

To normal people, marriage is about building a good life together and as a team--whatever that looks like to them. These guys are not thinking about marriage in a normal way. The answer to your question is that they get affirmation from other alpha bros for having sexual ownership and dominance over a hot wife. Their "alpha" status isn’t complete without it. It's sad, really. They blame women for their own lack of self-esteem. No way they're actually interested in a long term arrangement with anyone who isn't a literal statue.

[@Larissa-eo3pt]

@@Uneclipsed I hadn't thought about their need to perform for the approval of other men. Well said.

[@erylaria398]

They want the social status of being called "a husband and family man" because it gives the impression, socially, that they're competent and financially stable. They want a wifey that's financially and emotionally dependent on them, who they order around and use as arm candy and demean to make themselves feel better. They want to feel power over another person they view as lesser. In some countries, marriage still also gives you very direct control of your wife's body and finances. Men can only win in marriage. But for most women, marriage is just another chore and potentially dangerous. I know i could never trust any man enough to sign away part of my rights to one.

[@Uneclipsed]

@@erylaria398 exactly! Having a wife to them is just another flex on society to make them feel important. I’m glad they can’t find wives because these dudes see women more as pets than anything else.

[@AmandaFromWisconsin]

You don't understand - women and feminism MADE them into the misogynists that they are. It's all the fault of women and feminism. (Sarcasm)

[@meratheafflictionwarlock]

My ex said that our engagement was a trial period for me, that I have to show him what a good wife I'd make for him :D :D :D :D Uhhh there was also this time when I was 16? and these 2 dudes came to see me and they were talking how I'd make a great wife if I learned how to behave. I stuck my tongue out and made a face at them. If a guy said that to me now, oh boy they'd get to hear such an angry feminist rant that they'd probably tell all their toxic little buddies about how us feminists are angry and unreasonable.

[@Hyenalowena]

Hahaha what a jackass, good on him I guess for straight up telling you how not marriageable he is though ;)

[@elizabeth184]

Think he failed his own trial period there in one sentence 🤣, I like the word "ex" 😉.

[@meratheafflictionwarlock]

@@elizabeth184 Yup! Also, I learned that if a guy cries that all of his previous girlfriends have cheated on him, he's the fucking reason why they ended up doing so. I remember the feeling when I realized it in that relationship. I mean, he said that I always have to be ready to have sex when ever he feels like it, but I can never initiate sex because it HURTS HIS EGO! He'd also withhold sex for weeks at a time to "teach a lesson" and then whined when I legit had a headache and wasn't in the mood. He'd also refuse to go camping with me and then he'd call me every day to whine about not getting laid when I was away. Thing is, he was completely different before we moved in together, and he got even worse after we got engaged. Imagine living with somebody and they give you silent treatment for 3 weeks and won't even look at you or be in the same room with you and they'll physically push you away if you ask them what's going on. It always started out of the blue and in the end he blamed me for it and he'd bring up a time I once giggled OUT OF PLEASURE in bed and how that hurt his feelings.

@@meratheafflictionwarlock oh he sounds PSYCHOTIC. Sorry you had to go through that but luckily you didn't marry it

[@meratheafflictionwarlock]

@ I'm pretty sure he's a narcissist, at least when I looked into it a bit it sounded like all the articles and things were just describing him. I'm glad to be rid of him, but for some reason he stayed in my hometown and every time I run into him I just get horrible anxiety for the rest of the day and that sucks. I have absolutely no idea why he didn't move back to his hometown or any place where he had friends already. I don't run into him often though.

[@willow9912]

"I don't know a lot of women who thinks like me besides my grandma" sweety you almost there

[@user-bu1sb9mt4u]

the sight of tara waddling towards the camera in a veil as mockery of 'trad men' complaining about unmarriageable women was not something i knew i needed but i did

[@Waspinmymind]

Ah, Good I don't wanna marry men like that in general. Also personnel experience with fam and such. Men like that protect you than hurt you themselves. They'll point to those moments of protection to excuse the abuse. No one else but them can damage their 'property.'

[@drsalka]

THE EXACT experience I had with the last man I dated last year - controlling and mentally and physically abusive but he wanted to protect me from “the bad men out there” all the time. Bro, you are “them”.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

I still think the men who say things like, “l need to protect the women in my life from men, because I know how bad man are,” are untrustworthy. I’ve seen plenty of men have a kinder and more trusting attitude about other people, and they’re generally good men. Men who assume all men are bad seem to assume that because they know they personally are bad, and they can’t imagine another man being less dangerous or predatory than them. It’s projection more than anything else.

[@happymess3219]

😶 they do this to smaller, less aggressive men in prison the time. the twisted price for 'protection'.

[@looney1023]

I always love when transphobic people reference The Matrix and the red/blue pill, perhaps the most single most famous piece of media created by trans people. The lack of self awareness is astounding

[@globalist1990]

Why? Not everyone goes try to find all details of people making films. They weren’t even openly transgender at the time i think.

[@bonk1403]

​@@globalist1990 Not being openly trans to the public ≠ not being trans at all. From memory, there's some interviews dating back then where the Wachowskis talked about their personal feelings surrounding gender. Also, pretty sure that the redpill was visually and symbolically inspired by estrogen pills.

[@thekalenichannel1812]

@@globalist1990 because they have stated the red pill allegory was an allegory for a transgender realization

[@globalist1990]

@@bonk1403 i don’t think that contradicts my statement. I watched it in the cinema when it came out and loved it, but to me it was nothing about transgender issues, because I wasn’t going through anything like that, and it wasn’t obvious to me. But any good story can be relatable to most people willing. But even today, I still don’t see that transgender perspective on the movie, maybe because I watched it then, and I really loved it. Btw, what would the blue pill be, then? Antidepressants?

[@globalist1990]

@@thekalenichannel1812 yeah, i understand that. But it still works as an allegory to other things as it’s pop culture.

[@RNS_Aurelius]

"Women aren't interested in men anymore" No, they're just not interested in you.

[@Abby-gx4qi]

Exactly 🤣 so glad I'm married to an actually wonderful human being and am no longer in the dating pool.

[@mothyca]

I live for the day you bring an actual cow to your house just to say "THE COW IS HERE"

[@jenellejessop2454]

High value man. 😂😂😂 These guys forget that money and stuff does not a valuable person make. Also, personality is a big factor in relationships. They don't know that either.

[@JuniperJadePR]

Exactly. It drives me crazy watching these dudes talk over their co-hosts in order to get the last word in or force their opinion down everybody else's throats. It seems more like something that an insecure dude would do instead of a "high value man".

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

So true. Met this one lady recently. Looks and money were not a problem for either of us. We were sexually attracted to eachother. Even got it on lulz. But stopped having anything to do with eachother in about 1 week. Why? Because she was kind of a asshole lol. I'd ask her political questions and didn't like the answers I got... How do you feel about trans rights? Instead of saying she's for it, she said... "Is that really a big deal right now in the world?" Red flag right there lol. She was also very pushy and when I told her about my musical interests she got into a huge disagreement with me and accused me of not being a real musician and when I asked her what a musician even is, she couldn't define it and so I laughed at her and she got mad and towards the end of our brief relationship, I simply asked to just be friends. She wasn't kool with that and thought it was a waste of time. Haven't talked to her in like a year now. Oh well... Moral of the story... Personality is the key lol. Don't have a shit one

[@AlexanderSkinnerVids]

Tara’s enjoying doing these intros more and more 😂

[@match5914]

They complain about women "forcing" marriage and monogamy on them... and then they complain about less women wanting marriage and monogamy...😑😑😑

[@PokhrajRoy.]

‘Why do men?’ is a great way to start the video 🔥

[@chansfeet2500]

Honesty, there should be a merch line with that quote on it. Like a "Why do men?" mug.

[@notbadsince97]

Couldn’t tell you, it’s like asking why do dogs chase cars and both don’t know what they’re going to do with it when they randomly catch one (I think I compare women to cars sorry)

[@selkiefluff]

It's honestly so scary some men are brought up in this belief that they are inherently entitled to "have" a woman and get to pick what traits they want as if she's a custom car and when it doesn't work in the real world they blame women for not being a certain way. Society is failing young men so bad.

[@drsalka]

these men have a heart and brain of their own and if they're capable of concocting ridiculous ideas abt the world in those precious lil minds of theirs, I'm sure, with a little willingness, they'd be able to come up with something more constructive.

[@merbst]

Yep

[@katelady1370]

Women do the same thing…

[@aurora8749]

Exactly and what pisses me off is these men have mothers, most of them very involved but they just teach their boys misogyny is okay

[@aurora8749]

@@katelady1370 no...show examples because I've never witnessed that

[@emmy8526]

So ironic, when this is said by the least marriageable dudes imaginable: like a living PSA about husbands who will waste your youth and erode your will to live. “Golddiggers”, they’re all yours - truly heroic to live with men like this no matter what money you can get out of the transaction.

[@musicanddramalover92]

The funny thing is, these men supposedly don’t like “golddiggers” either, but also don’t want women to have a career to make their own money for themselves because it’s “selfish” lmao Meanwhile, the only people who are not “marriage material” is them (and no, I’m not using their term “unmarriageable” because it’s not a real word and it’s stupid, even autocorrect doesn’t like it lol)

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Me, saluting all the golddiggers:

[@OfficialROZWBRAZEL]

@@musicanddramalover92 basically they resent when a woman is self-sufficient, but if a woman _dares_ ask that they provide for her...

[@TheSergio1021]

@@OfficialROZWBRAZEL well maybe you if you watched the whole thing instead of taking it out of context, they repeatedly state that men SHOULD provide for their women. BUT the issue about gold diggers comes in with a woman that only wants the money, but does nothing in the home. They want a housewife, not a gold digger. You can disagree if you want, but don't misrepresent their argument... like the rest of the comments are...

[@suhanipanda859]

@@TheSergio1021 what do you mean by provide?

[@kirikakirikakirika]

There are _plenty_ of women out there who still have a desire to get married and have kids. I'd bet the majority, even. Almost all of my girl friends want to get married and have kids. I'm the odd one out because I'm aero/ace. _Most_ women are/want to get married. What they AREN'T willing to do anymore is settle for a man who's garbage and treats her like a maid.

[@theinformedvegan6758]

god I feel so bad for that pick me girl...I'm scared she's going to end up in a horribly toxic and abusive relationship

[@LorenaMtzzz]

@Smartass 3000 what

[@KshipsinKchups]

She already in one lol

[@KshipsinKchups]

@Smartass 3000 evidence? Give so real statistics. Then I'll take you serious.

[@glitchgaming1136]

@Smartass 3000 sir/mam/bud What pill you on 💀

[@glitchgaming1136]

@Tnkrhll 💀

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I’m living for Tara’s Sologamy Wedding Outfit. It’s a cow-rageously put together ensemble 😂

[@discord20]

"Women aren't marriageable" = "You can't fire me, I quit" but for dating.

[@otrachicadeyoutube6853]

Fr😂

[@discord20]

@Smartass 3000 Besides the ones that I know that are already married or in LTR? Honey... take a look at the numbers on a dating app sometime. It's so funny how guys on the internet are all screaming, "No one wants to date you!" at us, while guys on dating apps are all screaming, "Oh my god PLEASE DATE US."

[@naaomi777]

I believe we are in this mess because men couldn't treat women right in the first place, centuries of horrible little men abusing their wives.

[@whyareureadingthis2037]

I sometimes forget people want to be married lol

[@MagisterialVoyager]

This. 💀

[@KateeAngel]

If I wanted it, then only in order to have beautiful wedding somewhere near woods, but "unfortunately" I am aromantic and even that is impossible to have. If only other life events were promoted to such significance in society as weddings, then I would have something like that on other occasion, but now.. it won't feel the same

[@Hachizukatenzo]

I want it but it's definitely not my priority, neither in life nor in my relationship.

[@thgritic102]

This. This right here.

[@jett4961]

I think my biggest problem with the whole wives don’t need to work thing is that life is fucking expensive. Both my parents worked good jobs and we were still barely middle class, I really have no idea how people can only have one working person in the family and expect that to cover everything. What if you get sick and can’t work anymore? What if you get laid off?

[@globalist1990]

They just can’t work effectively without the “domestic support”. Just think how easy working is if you got all the other stuff sorted out for you.

[@nfzeta128]

Yea pretty much just the financial climate of today means that whole lifestyle is close to impossible for most people.

[@TiffyVella1]

I think these blokes are counting on having the woman spend zero money on herself once they have her locked down. Bonus extra irrelevant fact: marriage shortens women's lifespan, while increasing men's.

[@jett4961]

@@TiffyVella1 not even just not spending money on herself, I’m an only child and yet my mum struggled to send me to a public school with lunch in my bag. Kids are expensive too.

[@xtinkerbellax3]

Yea, the average person is not making enough to only have one income per household, esp if they have kids. And then their conservatives values conflict with policies that could actually make that possible.

[@Kimmie6772]

When someone says you need to "sacrifice your happiness and your career" in order to find someone to marry, RUN!!! Run for the hills and never look back!!! These dudes just want someone to be dependent on them. They don't want an equal, they want a slave. Edit: "who cares about a woman's orgasm" wtf is this man gay?! He did not just say he doesn't even care if a woman enjoys having sex with him. That's high key predator material there. Why don't you just knock them out while you're at it, mister?

He sounds just like he looks....unfortunate

[@Hachizukatenzo]

Men who say such thing about woman's orgasm are likely struggling to give any and so definitely not the alpha male they pretend to be in bed. Not to mention how these alpha beta nonsenses are cringy.

[@drsalka]

@ hahahaha thank you 💀😅💀🍾 cheers to that!

[@Iamthatis137]

Not to fare to the gays! 😆 Anyone who’s not a predator would agree that the pleasure of your partner should matter or you are indeed a predator and just a shitty person.

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

These men are why we women choose the bear.

[@sweetlolitaChii]

They're just trying to divide us and make a profit from gullible young men. I'm a married traditional woman who prioritizes family and children, and I LOVE, adore and respect all my career women, working single mothers, disabled women, and all the beautiful women out there chasing their dreams just like me. The only difference is the stage of life and the dream, but we're all valuable.

[@marzipanmango]

Women bring the same things to marriage that men do: love, companionship, sex, a second income, help with chores and cooking, someone to parent children (or animals) with. So what tf are they complaining about? There's nothing unbalanced or unfair about that. And if they want a more traditional women, there ARE women who want to be stay at home moms who won't work and will cook/clean for you. In that case you need to make enough money to support a family on one income, which is a tall order these days but I digress- you'll also probably still need to be likeable, and to have some traditional/religious values yourself. Which isn't gonna work for these dudes because they think men should be able to cheat as much as they want on their wives, and have shitty morals in general. I can guarantee you no traditional religious woman is gonna be ok with that unless she's a child bride from some Mormon cult.

[@DimaRakesah]

That's a good point. Trad wives generally are not going to marry a non-religious dude who has made it clear he is going to cheat on them and isn't traditional himself. It's like they want to have it both ways. Have a trad wife without being a trad husband.

[@eaglestown4609]

Exactly, trad wives exist and they need to be respected as well! It's not like if you manage the house and the children you don't get any respect! These guys don't even understand this

[@TheHanyuuuuu]

All homely family-oriented girls I know would be disgusted by perspective of marrying a dude who regularly go clubbing and brags about his high body count. They usually marry the same homely family-oriented men as them.

[@sarcodonblue2876]

No religious some would be okay with that but she is in a situation where she has no choice and it is a miserable situation.

[@syasyaishavingfun]

Yup a traditional wife will have even stricter requirement for her husband. I see a lot of these women - they basically control everything. This is neither good nor bad, I find that some men really do like to be controlled like a child, just like some women like to act like a mom to her partner. I just wish people to be truthful in their expectations.

[@lacey892]

They're starting to realize that the pinnacle of womanhood *isn't* actually to land a man... And they're so upset lololol 🤣🤣🤣 bless their little hearts

[@katelewis411]

i always think these podcast bros can’t get worse and yet…

[@KnivingDispodia]

“Men of our caliber” Bro you do a podcast.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

It's so interesting in that conversation how the women starting with listening to the question. And immediately when a woman is talking, the guys are like : Stop. That's OUR Podcast.

[@societycrumbles]

We married men because we HAD to. We couldn't even have a bank account back in the day. Now we're with men because we want to. Of course we don't want to marry, when they have literally nothing to offer lol.

[@grantwithers]

"Of course we don't want to marry, when they have literally nothing to offer lol." t. woman who can't get a high value man and it's so daunting of a task she can't even imagine it

[@societycrumbles]

@@grantwithers High value man is an oxymoron.

[@cupcakes7308]

@@grantwithers You clearly didn't understand what they said. "Of course we don't want to marry, when they have nothing to offer." I'll dumb it down for you seeing as you're having trouble understanding. No self-respecting person would be with a man who expects them to be their maid, sex-slave, to give up their autonomy, to be a possession and to be miserable for the rest of their lives. It may surprise you to hear but normal functioning people want healthy relationships. They don't want a partner who views them as an object they own, as their sex-slave and maid. They don't want a disloyal partner that'll cheat on them and act like it's totally alright for them to do but not for their partner to do the same because they own them. These so-called "Alpha males" aren't looking for a loving relationship between equals, rather they're misogynistic men looking to use marriage as a chain to tie women to them so they can break them down into the slave that'll give them everything without getting anything in return. The behaviour in and of itself is predatory and abusive. Did you know that engagement and marriage is a tactic abusers use to keep their victim tied to them? They propose and the victim thinks they're changing that the relationship will be better but it doesn't get better. It only gets more difficult to escape your abuser. There's a reason no-one with sense wants to date these men none-the-less marry them. They're a ticking time bomb.

[@jerrythecartoonist]

@@societycrumbles Eh...nobody's perfect.

[@Pbbbb]

@@jerrythecartoonist yet males claim to be

[@lm-bw4qf]

i love how men never stop to consider that maybe, they, are the problem

[@jhnnbhfvv6405]

Yeah, the talk about how they can cheat and they themselves are hypocrites. I am all for waiting for marriage but I want my future husband to be the same.

[@hueypautonoman]

In my totally unprofessional psychiatric opinion, I think they have mommy issues. I couldn't say the things they say about women without considering that the statement includes my mother and my daughters.

[@rosacentifollia]

Boom.

[@LuggyBro]

I’m a cis dude and I don’t think I’ve ever understood what these podcast bros are going on about. Why would women want to just drop everything and prioritise marriage?? Why marriage ?? What does marriage bring to their lives that is just so amazingly better than anything else they’re working towards?? Is it… having a man?? What’s so amazing about that if that man is one of those guys ?? Literally nothing. So why are they so shocked to hear women don’t value marriage that highly ??? And wtf is a beta male ?? 😭😭😭

[@grantwithers]

"Why would women want to just drop everything and prioritise marriage??" To get a high value man so she can stay home and not work while still living a high class lifestyle and have her kids all set etc. etc. "And wtf is a beta male ?? 😭😭😭" You most likely bruh.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

This whole "alpha" and "beta" male crap is just something some very insecure and socially inept toxic dudes made up in order to feel better about their shortcomings and inability to have meaningful relationships with women (because they don't respect women but can't seem to figure out that's the reason). If you haven't heard of that stuff you're much better off.

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

if a woman wants to get married, then it should be one of her priorities in her youth because as she gets older it's going to be harder to get married. the main time frame for that is 20-30, which is a whole decade to find someone. most jobs are 9-5 with weekends off and a certain number of holiday days so that leaves a lot of time to meet someone, set up dates etc. i don't see why a woman can't work on her career while also searching for a partner. many people have more than one goal in life. if she wants to make a good career, then it would be of importance to her and she would work hard to progress in her career. i doubt she would drop it just for marriage. i think she would find a man who she loves and who would support her having a career. marriage isn't absolutely necessary to surviving for a woman like it was a few centuries ago, where she would go from being her dad's property to her new husbands, and when it was way harder for a woman to have her own property. i think that now, where marriage isn't a necessity for a woman, allows her to avoid toxic and abusive relationships. if she's in one but has a job or a family to fall back on, then she's more able to leave abusive partners. for a lot of people, having a person that you love and can spend the rest of your lives together is a great thing. if it's one of those podcast guys, very few things would be great in a marriage with them. they would constantly cheat on her and wouldn't see her as a person but more of a trophy wife. urban dictionary describes a beta male as a man who lacks masculine energy and adopts feminine characteristics, faces problems or confrontations passive-aggressively, and is taken advantage of due to his "nice guy" persona. the example provided is that a beta male apologises to his wife after she cheats on him.

[@anatosic480]

@@grantwithers most women want to work. I don't see how that's so hard to understand? Work is rewarding in many ways. Having an interest u can turn into a career, be respected by ur peers and getting financial security are all rewarding things women desire. If I married a billioner today I'd still want to have a job. And many other women would want the same. Why is that hard to uderstand and why is it cause for debate?

[@grantwithers]

@@anatosic480 Everyone understands your pseudo religious beliefs about what "most" and "many" women want. They just don't match reality. "most" women just want money and to "live their best life" (the later involves lots and lots of time spent not working in their prime working years) and they work for money and a few lifestyle doohickeys. "most" women will never have a career (about 90% will never have a career, even in the west, similar to men). This goes double if they're not raised propagandized by feminist rhetoric extoling the supposed benefits of a "career" for the 10% or so that will get a career. As to the ones that get a career and are "successful" they will try to marry someone just above them and then "retire"/part time work at around 30-40 once successful in large numbers (obviously if they can get that high status man then they want to just "live their best life" and/or raise their kids directly, which involves not working or not working much). And we all know why the somewhat large numbers of women want the "career" and their "phd" etc. They think it will better their lives and they think they'll get better men (quite a few are just in it for the supposedly better men) and a few odds and ends. Then those better men never materialize for most, because surprise, who they can get to f or marry them doesn't depend on their pdh status, or their income status for around 99% of them although they're falsely told it does. None of this is hard to understand, the only one not "understanding" is you.

[@louisanow]

“High value” males declaring themselves so, is like when someone declared himself a “very stable genius” .