Women Can't Do Men's Sports (& Trans Women Are MEN) - Joey Barton (4K) | heretics. 38

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Hit like, comment - is Joey Barton right that some unqualified women are being promoted for diversity reasons?

[@gavingillespie4032]

Damned if I’ll be watching this person. Shame you’ve decided to give him your time. I guess controversy will get you some eyeballs. Hope you asked him why people like Jenas get commentary gigs.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@gavingillespie4032 Yeah I've just done a quick read about him. He's complaining there aren't enough white men in football careers? With what his brother did? Very interesting. The race to the bottom is picking up.

[@nforne]

​@@rgghjs9270 Let me guess, you did your research in the Guardian?

[@rgghjs9270]

@@nforne What did I write that is innaccurate? edit - no I don't really read The Guardian. Do you guys only have about 15 responses? Ever been called an NPC?

[@nforne]

@@rgghjs9270 You should really listen to the interview then you’ll see his views are more nuanced than “complaining there aren’t enough white men”. But instead you take your opinions pre-prepared from someone who tells you what to think. And you seem quite proud of that. 🤦‍♂️

[@daspallacommunity4594]

He's telling the truth, which is why he's getting so much hate. You get rewarded for lying and punished for telling the truth

[@avallons8815]

Lie are easily defeated by truth. Truth can only be made to go away by attacking the people speaking it.

[@benaiahwright937]

Men can't get pregnant... women don't have penises

[@FocusedFighter777]

Yeah. I agree with everything and ai'm not a guy. Whenever a woman goes around pretending to know about whatever she talks about, but doesnt: it makes us all look bad. I'm a gamer and whenever I see bad gamer women get all the attention for being bad at playing: it bothers me big time because people think she reprents us all. Same thing. Im not ok with men doing that to womens sports either, (trans women I mean)

[@lyliavix4366]

As a woman, football lover, youth pro player and now training to become a referee and coach, I have already made the decision to only train girls teams even though I’ve been offered to work with both genders. However NO I WILL NOT, for two main reasons; A. even at 10/11 years old boys play a very different game and need a male athlete B. It’s been a long time dream of mine to do the qualification to referee but I have never been financial position to. The reason I finally doing it is because the FA is funding me. The sole reason for this is because I am female. Whilst I am not going to debate the rights or wrongs of this inequality, I want to embrace the opportunity but would never presume I am able to coach boys to the same standards male coaches can and subsequently take away the opportunity for boys to become amazing footballers and worst still take over in this sport or any other things in life. I will not support the current propaganda that is aimed at making males redundant in all aspects of life.

[@lyliavix4366]

And I’ll add at the risk of being controversial… ladies take the wolf whistle and flutter your eyelids while you still get the chance instead of complaining about men not trying hard enough!!!😂

[@Messier45_Pleiades]

I agree with him, however, I hope he speaks out against men in women's sports.

[@brianschmitzer6722]

100%. There is nobody who hates having women in the broadcast both more than me. There's not a single thing they have to say that I'm interested in. They've just got no business there. It's not sexism or misogyny or anything like that. It's a man's sport and there should be men coaching, refereeing, commentating, etc. I also happen to believe the reverse is true. Why the hell should there be a man up in the broadcast both talking about a women's softball game? It's not your sport, buddy. If I'm listening to/watching the game, I want to hear from an ex-player from that sport.

[@m.p.7075]

​@@brianschmitzer6722I think the original post is more about men pretending to be women and actually taking part in women's sports. Not a man commenting on a womans match on TV which probably isn't going to happen that often nowadays anyway.

[@fffoolishnomore3834]

I couldn't comment, don't watch female sports. Why would I if I can access the elite?

[@utv5490]

​@@fffoolishnomore3834That's why I don't watch my son's shit Sunday football team 😂😂 only elite for me too.

[@4651adri]

​@@utv5490 saddest flex ever. Don't call him your son if you're not going to take care of him

[@Maryarosi]

He’s right. Diversity, equity & inclusion is ruining football punditry. I’ve been a season ticket holder at a Premier League Club for over 30 years & a female & I don’t like the female pundits being pushed in the men’s game because they really don’t have the same depth of knowledge as male professional footballers. I cancelled Sky Sports because I don’t want woke politics pushed at me constantly when I just want to enjoy watching the football. The BBC & ITV are just as bad. I don’t watch women’s football because it’s not the same game as the men’s game. Men should be able to object to football being highjacked for political ends without being attacked as misogynists but on the issue rather than personal attacks on appearance. This was a really interesting conversation.

[@heatherboardman7004]

No just football but all areas of life.

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

I think the double standards in womens sports is astonishing, I get why 6'4" males shouldnt be in womens sports but by the same token, what does a woman player know about the men's game?

[@zubeystinzen540]

​@@heatherboardman7004exactly,the Boeing boss who called it out is dead because he voiced his opinion on Boeing's recent employment criteria has affected their build quality causing planes to fall apart mid air.

[@gazthejaz8910]

@@zubeystinzen540BS

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

Diversity hires are nonsense. The best person needs to get the job, not to get pity hire to fill some diversity quotas!

[@theinngu5560]

100%. As a woman and long time football supporter, I hate the vast majority of women commentators. Everyone I know who watches football, hates the women commentators and switches off, turns the volume down etc …… Well done Joey Barton for saying what the overwhelming majority of football supporters think. So sad that there is such a pushback on this ….diversity hires do not work if people are really honest. Meritocracy clearly works on the field and should be the modus operandi off field too.

[@63mckenzie]

@@theinngu5560 It's the gas lighting where they try to convince us women's football is somehow at the same level as the men's game I find laughable. It happens with basketball, cricket, rugby etc. It causes more harm to women's sport.

[@jonathanmahoney1672]

​@@theinngu5560Vicki Sparks the worst for me. Sounds like Alan Partridge 😂

[@soatfaccls3435]

@@theinngu5560 I've heard a few women commentators that are really good. the women's team won the euros which is better than the men could do. There is a winning mentality there that the men should be learning from

[@balalaika852]

Plenty of women agree. I've worked with a woman who was raging when she realised she was a diversity hire because she was mixed race, and quit shortly after that. She didn't want to be working somewhere where she was valued her for her skin. Plus, who will respect you at your job when everyone knows you're there not because of your experience and ability?

[@atix50]

I'm a woman, I've limited knowledge about footbal. I asked my husband last weekend when he was watching footie highlights if I was hearing the female pundit correctly. When he stopped laughing, he said 'yeah I know, this is football now, that's why I cancelled the sports channels' Asked friends, yup, everyone's cancelling sports subscriptions & a lot of men have just stopped watching at all. I don't think himself has watched a match since before C*vid. Why are businesses determined to lose money & customers/viewers? Same with streaming & games. We've not bothered buying anything or renewing subscriptions.. even news sites. All cancelled.

[@christopher_ecclestone]

Because w0keness isn't about making money or attracting viewers, it's about disseminating an ideology. They know that the older ones amongst us most likely won't be won over, but if they can take over our institutions and corporations, and normalise it, the next generation won't know any different. We're essentially being gr00med.

[@atix50]

@christopher_ecclestone oh ffs DEI monsters have infected everything! They'll lose an absolute fortune. My dad's mixed, I've a hint of a tint. I keep calling out those intersectional Marxists & their heads nearly explode because they can't resort to their usual retort of 'racist'. Destroying a generation with brain rot. What idiot thinks they can change who watches football? They know these weirdos don't have any money, right?

[@alihenderson5910]

​@@christopher_ecclestoneYou are correct, but the end goal is the complete erasure of our culture and ultimately, our existence.

[@h.r.c.2829]

​@@christopher_ecclestoneexactly, the powers that be are playing the long game, not about short term profit, but long term power

[@SierraNovemberKilo]

Disaster capitalism. The idea is to bankrupt everyone so the bankers take all ( as in you will own nothing and be happy). Once the companies are wound up those suddenly overpaid ignoramus greedy women will get thrown on the heap of us rotting corpses. There is no way out. The bankers mean to exterminate us all. (Great Reset).

[@Max-ht9hf]

“No one is more hated then he who speaks the truth”: Plato

[@rbaggio7777]

What Joey Barton is saying is so important!! More athletes need to fight back for the truth!!

[@nascar0509]

Identity politics always was designed to create tension and division.

[@markshepperson3603]

Yes, it’s basically legalised racism on steroids dressed up as helping minorities..

[@Bikewithlove]

It’s revenge for Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016 - all of it.

[@TimeWaster_Elite]

Bingo. *Everywhere* the Marxist mind virus is implemented it sews division, envy, and hatred.

[@walterstockhecker5579]

It wasn’t ‘designed’ to. People believed it was for the good and for the benefit of the weak and truly oppressed. But yes, the design is deeply flawed BECAUSE it IS divisive.

[@Thomas-im3eu]

@@walterstockhecker5579 Well it was designed to or rather Oh this is useful for x y and z "division being a main one" . These think tanks we have no access to , the multi generational look into human phycology by institutes such as Tavistock and we can go deep into that globally which are intelligence used from wars in china , Russia , japan during world wars and proxxys . They know human behaviour down to a T and social engineer almost everything. Bit tech use some of this understanding also . Then we got the age of data to A.I , humans will at some point will never know they live a complete fake reality once we give are thinking away to machines. Identity politics is a tiny part of a multitude of social engineering going on.

[@dianewhite4485]

Wow what a revelation! From how the media portray him I thought Joey was a thick northern thug. He is much more articulate and intelligent than I thought. Just shows that if you’re open minded and give someone a chance despite your preconceptions then you can learn a lot.

[@stephaniefairey8633]

Totally unrelated, but this is how I found Tommy Robbinson - media portrayal and real life were so far removed it was incredible

[@philomena3529]

He is definitely articulate but that does not validate his misogynistic opinions

[@dianewhite4485]

@@philomena3529 which ones do you mean, specifically? I don’t pretend to know a lot of what he has said previously but you have to admit that in this discussion his points are valid?

[@utv5490]

Valid for who? He is speaking to the shitheads of society.

[@dianewhite4485]

@@utv5490 whom you, presumably, consider yourself far superior to?

[@panovscouse5100]

Great interview Andrew..... Am a scouser so i get where Joey is coming from in our city most people speak there mind and take the piss out of each other so we can give it out but we can also take it and he is spot on about diversity race gender etc its happening in all walks of life when in reality it should be the best qualified for the position regardless of anything else.....

[@janillingsworth7478]

I really enjoyed this discussion because of the uncensored truth of it. I am an old school feminist from the 60s and what we defined as equality, in those days , is different from being and having the same as men. It was a protest against societal acceptance that women were considered inferior and limited in the roles they could play. Then men made the rules and if women knew what was good for them they'd obey. For example, when I was at Teachers College in 1966, women were not allowed to wear trousers and in the classroom you had to wear stockings. No naked legs were permitted. I dont think people realise how oppressed women were by trivial, petty nonsense. I could not get a mortgage on my own simply because I was and still am by the way, female.😂 Did I want to be the same as a man? Hell no! They suffered compulsory conscription for one thing. Old spice, walk shorts and bryl cream were not on my list of wants and desires. I can't stand the woke culture as its so ridiculously fundamentalist. Equality is not being the same as.

[@maureensansburn6413]

I feel the same as you, but I do worry that some would like to drag us back to the bad old days when women couldn't get mortgages, credit cards or vote.

[@janillingsworth7478]

@@maureensansburn6413 so true . I could think of a few male politicians who would if they could.

[@fredneecher1746]

To be fair to mortgage companies, all they want is surety for getting their money back - and the interest, of course. Since most women back then married and left the full-time job market they were unlikely to be able to repay the loan.

[@thetopcat8946]

Hear Hear absolutely spot on. 🫡

[@t-dogg115]

Is society better now that women can do and men do?

[@catesby4788]

Listening to Joey took me back to school days in Liverpool. Rapier wit and willingness to take it back with a laugh, accompanied by an obligatory bullsh*t detector, which comes with the territory in Liverpool. What a breath of fresh air to hear someone speak openly.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

Joey is correct, simple, everyone else needs to grow up and face reality

[@littlecatfeet9064]

I think women are perfectly capable of becoming football commentators. But they should only be hired if they’re better than other candidates. A diversity hire for the sake of it shows contempt for sports and ironically sets women’s rights back decades.

[@resolecca]

​@@RaveyDaveyshrill is the excuse men make when they can't have any legitimate complaints

[@jeremylister89]

A male voice is far more authoritative with gravitas, much better for commentating. Compare Laurence Olivier with Minnie Mouse....!!

[@laurenthomas7224]

@@jeremylister89one is a human man and the other is a cartoon mouse. Apples to oranges, buddy. Try again.

[@jeremylister89]

@@laurenthomas7224 squeaky women.

[@markdavidson9743]

What test would you recommend to show who is better than the other person for the job

[@lissyadams6497]

I really enjoyed this conversation, it was nice to meet you Joey Barton. I'm not into football but it was fascinating to hear you speak on the subjects currently affecting the sport and basically everything else in society today.

[@maddoglep2127]

I just had a huge falling out with my brother-in-law because I said I agree with Joey. I was instantly a Nazi of course. The sheer power and physicality of male football is frightening. Most people see football on TV or from deep in the stands. Try being on the touchline and see two male athletes hurtling towards a 50 / 50 ball. I recall Serena Williams saying male tennis is a completely different game due to the sheer power difference and that's a game without physical contact. I trust Serena more than my brother-in-law!

[@Jack-qv5ru]

Your brother is a brain washed retard.

[@Peterbrendanalbert]

Seems like your sister hooked a cracker.

[@spangles2329]

Woman Chelsea fan here, who qualified as a referee many years ago as a teenager. Totally in agreement with Joey until he said men "have to work to provide for their families". Newsflash Joey, so do women! That aside, the women's game is far less physical, fast, and comparatively less skillful too. Equal pay and appointment can only come when the ability is equal.

[@danielh8400]

Also the money comes from having a bigger ordinance, and most football fans pay sky and Bt sport to watch the men’s game, and it’s the men’s game selling out football grounds.

[@1312Johnny]

If the men stuck around the women wouldn’t have to provide 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Freefolkcreate]

Women provide body, milk and soul. Now you want more?

[@atix50]

Fellow woman here, also mixed so I'm extremely confused about who they're providing the representation for exactly?! This DEI sh!te has completely stopped us spending money on subscriptions, husband even cancelled sports channels. It's all garbage! I shouldn't know more about football than a pundit... some are absolutely clueless

[@steve10]

One or two women is OK, but they are on every match on every channel , either presenting , pundit and Co commentator, I dont care about what he said about needing to provide , im coming at it from the side of them being useless, its embarrassing to hear then try and have the banter as a pundit, or talk rubbish as Co commentator, the decision to flood men's football has ruined it

[@b.dangerfield6499]

I wrote a romantic comedy, raised $5m, had a major distributor onboard for world wide distribution, then I was told I was not allowed to direct my own movie because I wasn’t a woman, and I had to hire a women to re-write my script, the lead has to be Asian, the love interest African/American, and all the jokes had to be removed so not to offend anyone…. I now can’t afford to live.

[@bennym5244]

Do it. Drop subtle hints. Spike Lee went through exactly the same thing but made a parody of it and it was a success.

[@b.dangerfield6499]

@@bennym5244 I cant do anything… I can’t work because I’m male

[@Uncle_B83]

How is that not theft?? Fucking insane…

[@b.dangerfield6499]

@@NCFC-do5dj yes… it did!

[@b.dangerfield6499]

@@dmdm5339 truth

[@memoryhero]

There was an article in my feed today called "Why Talent Is Underrated" and I about broke a finger clicking on it. Couldn't believe it.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Thank you back. Please cover trans widows. I am a subscriber and a trans widow since my ex husband's one appointment diagnosis in July of 1993. Documented by PhD psychologist's sworn affidavit in our divorce, Kings County, NY, 1997. He's been saying he's the mother of the two sons I birthed in 1988 and 1991. They do that. "unqualified" --thanks Joey

[@steve10]

I think its an interesting point , I've always wondered how parents feel , you have essentially lost a son who has transitioned, the idea you gave birth to a boy , then 20 years later they have no son and find themselves with a Daughter , surely there must be some grief for losing a Son ???

[@errin-mp1zy]

@@steve10 It was her husband that transitioned not her son.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

They feel terrible if they live so long as to witness the bone demineralization, liver and kidney failure as well as incontinence from the surgeries, which are common risks of this medicalization of a psychiatric illness. @@steve10

[@sarahsaxon1745]

I'm sorry this happened to you, and your children. I have been put in a very similar situation myself. And there are many, many more of us, as this evil insanity rolls on. Lord have mercy!

[@Peterbrendanalbert]

​@@steve10My cousin, male, transed. One of 3 boys. My Aunt coped by saying She now has the daughter she always wanted. Fair play though, he carried on going to Upton Park during the process of transitioning, shit hair, shit make up, shit boobs. Got loadsa stick from Hammers fans who ain't the most delicate of Luvlies. Gotta give respect for that. Tough road to walk I would imagine. His makeup skills have improved but he's still 6'1 broad shouldered. COYI. Made of Steel that bird is. 💪

[@mitchio86]

An articulate man. Different from how he's portrayed in the media.

[@yancowles]

Yes, he's actually terribly, terribly bright and speaks delightfully sotto voce even when he's threatening Eni Aluko's family or trivialising the racist murder by his brother with an ice-axe as, 'a scrap'. A genuinely lovely man who you'd definitely want your daughter to start dating no doubt.

[@janndoe3718]

As (an actual) South African female - I salute your sanity. Our country has been ruined by DIY and BEE policies.

[@yancowles]

Yeah, get a qualified builder or plumber in before you destroy your house! Do It Yourself is just a scam to sell expensive tools to muggyboneheads.

[@itistrue101]

your country wasn't real great before that either, at least for the majority.

[@alcorfield1157]

Max respect to Joey (and Andrew) for his courage, intelligence and honesty 👏

[@julianaetland1417]

Your Heretics channel is amazing, Andrew. I always look forward to these more in depth interview.

[@Melody-st4df]

Don’t tell anyone but I was standing in the layby on A48 just outside Newnham (England) early in the morning with my thumb out, hoping for a lift south. I had a long journey ahead of me to a village in Sussex. After only a few minutes a van pulled in and after thanking him I jumped into the passenger seat. Then after an embarrassingly short conversation I was forced to understand that this chap was a local farmer and had pulled into that layby to feed his sheep and wasn’t offering me a lift anywhere!!!

[@mawilliams777]

Al that nominating Cabbage patch kid for an award has done has proved Joey was 100% right

[@aleishat3595]

Andrew, you absolutely deserve a silver plaque. Your hard work hasn't gone unnoticed 🤗 I'm pround to be a heretic 😊

[@jeremyjohnb2]

Wow... Awesome conversation 🎉 bravo gents and thank you both 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@rmesmith]

I am not remotely interested in football, but this was another fascinating episode. An intelligent, articulate, humble person, nothing like the man he is portrayed to be in the press.

[@balthazarasquith]

I love Joey Barton, legend of a player and speaker of common sense

[@STST]

I remember applying to be a police MAN and I was sent a letter back saying the force are doing "Positive Discrimination" basicaly "You're white, you're male, You're straight, We can't take you on" I am in total agreement we need equality of chance in the workplace, but is being openly predudice to "right the wrongs" because I now don't fit the quota actually any better?

[@JWSoul]

That's Racist and disgusting.

[@ChristinaChrisR]

No it certainly isn’t. My best friend is a cop (we’re in our 50’s now) and she’s quite (very, actually😂) tall, and strong. For a woman. Being physically strong as a woman can’t compare with the physical strength of men. That said, many women has other skills or perhaps advantages, if you will, that can be assets in the police force. However hiring/accepting to the academy based on quotas is not only a bad idea but a dangerous one. At least that’s what I think. Being rejected the way you were, for that reason, is ridiculous.

[@utv5490]

What a load of pap

[@STST]

@@utv5490 You agree with discrimination?

[@utv5490]

​​@@STSTOf course. I would have a stand up decent person for example over a racist shithead.

[@lucyscott7691]

Loved this interview. So refreshing to hear what most of us think and feel said outloud.

[@ogazm1865]

Big ups Joey and Andrew. Great work 👍

[@mickwelsh661]

I wish they would replace Gary Lineker with a woman. Or even a potato come to think of it.

[@utv5490]

A white potato I bet. 😂😂

[@royfudgemonkey9940]

Spud walker

[@fionacarroll5562]

or a bag of crisps

[@hughjass8430]

Here in Ireland, we used to have a football analysis panel on tv, made up of four ex pros who played in the 60s / 70s and 80s. The analysis was top notch but the main reason they were so revered is because they were blunt, honest and all good friends away from the studio. It was like tuning in to watch a pub chat after a game.... Now the woke virus has reached us too and every sports broadcast must have a female presenter and at least one female analyst. Preferably with a couple of "safe" yesmen on the panel who wont scare the suits up stairs. The quality of analysis has nose dived and the whole thing is often stilted, dry and corporate.

[@sarahprosecco]

Those were the days...I miss that too!

[@kathrynphillips84]

I get it, I do but you have to start somewhere with change. The more women do this stuff the better they will get. You have to start somewhere. I’m pretty sure there are plenty of places where there are all male pundits you can listen to. Start watching snooker or darts.

[@pauldavies7251]

​@@kathrynphillips84terrible argument Kathryn, is nowhere sacred for men these days that woman want to be part of everything we do in life

[@kathrynphillips84]

I was being flippant, probably because I’m not a man so it’s easy to be flippant about stuff that doesn’t effect me. However, my life has been mostly dominated by patriarchy in its many forms so although I think you are right about women in areas were there hasn’t been a role for them before I find it hard to be overly sympathetic. My only hope is that women will learn that a, ‘man’s world,’ whatever that is, will not bring them the freedom they seek.

[@ashleywebb2736]

I agree with his opinion of Vine. A few years ago he did a very dodgy segment on his radio show about a young boy who did a drag show not being allowed to present his sexually provocative act at his school end of year show. Vine was outraged and bought one of the drag race stars to encourage him and give him gifts of makeup and clothes. The lad was 12! How was this not grooming? I've never listened to him since.

[@neepers22]

Just want to say that I'm really enjoying your new heretics podcast. I used to watch your other channel, and (for me, at least), it was a bit hit or miss. This is all hits. Well done.

[@Diane-1912]

I agree with what he's saying but I do hope he speaks on men invading women's spots.

[@disteveful6368]

They're big girls, they can speak up for themselves.

[@Diane-1912]

@disteveful6368 true,, I forget this sometimes . Thanks for the reminder....😄

[@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats]

@@disteveful6368women get cancelled, lose their jobs & abuse for saying this..

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

​@@disteveful6368 I agree with you. This is a fight women need to have. It is their rights being taken away.

[@jillymc]

As always, great interview Andrew.

[@jaydee2719]

One improvement I'd like to see for this channel is - please ask your guests for an intro at the start, who are they, what is their background. Cheers

[@76blackwidow]

That's a great looking studio. Great pod, thanks!

[@htpeck91]

Love this channel. So glad for your success!

[@beebeelicious]

Just to point out Andrew, the reason girls were not playing football is because we were never offered it in lessons, never allowed in teams, never encouraged and bullied if we showed an interest.

[@christopher_ecclestone]

No. That may be a part of it, but it's no secret that boys/men are more interested in sports than girls/women. Men and Women are different, not entirely, but in important ways, and that's ok. In fact it's necessary.

[@m.p.7075]

That's not true at all, Our school tried to make a girls team and only 3 ever turned up. Girls are not boys and that's just fine.

[@Ladyjojo695]

Absolutely. It was only netball or rounders or hockey.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

​@@Ladyjojo695 my wife, mum and daughters would much rather watch netball. Netball Superleague is intending to go professional next year. I'm not sure what that means or if it's a good idea, but netball is definitely thriving.

[@dannykamis4416]

Tbf I bet they wasn’t enough of you who wanted too.

[@lesleymanchester7149]

100% agree with Joey. Womens football is not as good as mens, period. They shouldn't be taking the punters jobs. I'm a woman I watch mens football because women's football isn't as good, it's boring in comparison. Keep it up Joey I'm with you 👏👏🇬🇧

[@vfury9686]

Identity politics led to the biggest atrocities in human history.

[@thomridgeway1438]

Just suppose for a moment there is a World Championship chess tournament and former World champion Gary Kasparov has been invited in to comment on it for TV, next to a female black woman who's actual level of chess is middle school level and so poor he could beat her in less than 4 moves, repeatedly, over and over! And yet she has been brought in to add expertise. She is getting paid as much as he is. How would you feel? That's the gap, the gulf between Professional Men's football and the Womens game. Somewhat embarrassing isn't it!

[@DieFlabbergast]

"... he could beat her in less than 4 moves, repeatedly, over and over" Since you obviously don't play chess, why don't you use something else for your analogy?

[@thomridgeway1438]

@@DieFlabbergast I just want to say my heart goes out to you! To go through life with such a deeply disfiguring facial defect must be awful. You were obviously born sneering as well as being supremely smug and unpleasant. But just for the record Fool's Mate is two moves. So please don't embarrass yourself even more. Go quietly.

[@balthazarasquith]

​@@DieFlabbergasttic tac toe 😂

[@utv5490]

Would racists get really excited about it??

[@SandymoorFerrariClub]

@@DieFlabbergast At the time I'm writing this, 28 people have thought that 'beating somebody in 4 moves in chess' is a good enough analogy that they have upvoted it. Andrew Gold appears to have found his demographic. I only feel bad that the KZbin algorithm seems to think I'm part of that demographic...

[@bethotoole6569]

'One conversation at as time'... what a great name for a channel!!! Getting really close to that 100k !! Well deserved!!

[@kylethompson1379]

I think he's generally correct in pointing out real problems. I think he's entitled to his opinion without being harassed. I also think that commentators in the entertainment industry should be selected according to what their consumers want; if consumers want a woman from the bus stop to comment on a game, that's fine. Football is an entertainment industry that rationally should serve the demands of it's consumers as best it can.

[@Cotictimmy]

Gotta love Joey. It's enormously refreshing to hear an plain-speaking non-woke guy stating the obvious, & defying our woke version of the 1960's Maoist Cultural Revolutionary student mobs.

[@McSherryStudioArt]

That was an enjoyable conversation Andrew; thank you.

[@MT-ln8xb]

If women went to women's games weekly, bought the season tickets, shirts, calendars and subcribed to sports channels in the same numbers that men do for the men's game, guess what? Women's footy would be huge and have billions sloshing about for development and promotion. But they don't. Most of them support it purely theoretically. The next time someone tells you "they should get the same attention as the men" ask them to name 5 players that aren't in the England national team....

[@1312Johnny]

GO ON JOEY! I would pay good money to see him running rings round the women’s team wearing a pink wig! This needs to be done, super trolling to get his point across.😆

[@Lilyandmoomin]

Never heard of this guest, however I still found this topic and conversation very interesting and insightful. Thank you Andrew for another brilliant episode of Heretics ❤️👍🏼

[@clivegifford9099]

The interviewer will do very well simply because he is anti woke but has the BBC form of delivery. This is an unusual combination that will feel intrinsically soothing for sensible people who were raised with the beeb

[@shainanash8518]

ANDREW , you are an amazing journalist and human being.

[@CathyKitson]

If a woman's the best one for the job, she should get it. If the man's better, he should. It should be on meritocracy, not sex, and not race. We get female commentators on men's tennis and vice versa.

[@jacquiollard8784]

i think the best person for the job should be hired - it seems so sensible to hire that way...

[@englishlion2803]

Your channel is amazing.I am so pleased I discovered it. Keep up the good work!

[@VioletProVixen]

As someone without an exact ideological home, I appreciate your work and your attitude so much, Andrew. I listen religiously and suggest it to people all the time. Your affability and interviewing skills make you a great host & the guests you pick are so interesting. Keep up the good work.

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Ah thanks so much Violet I love that!!

[@yancowles]

You get that you've just replied to a bot, right?

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Ah - It does seem that way, having now clicked on the profile. But then - where does the $4.99 come from? Weird.@@yancowles

[@utv5490]

You don't care where the money comes from. Look at the sham of a man you are interviewing.

[@yancowles]

@@andrewgoldheretics Dunno, maybe joey barton masquerades as a sexy female benefactor when he's not making veiled threats to Eni Aluko's family or trivialising his brothers racist ice-axe murder of Anthony Walker.

[@paulriggall8370]

First time listening to Joey Barton and aside from the accent - what a top lad.

[@dannydarkense5500]

100K subscribers soon, and totally deserved! Well done, Andrew! Keep doing you! :)

[@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats]

I agree.. I hate hearing men commentators in netball etc.. I guess it’s us getting men back for dressing up as woman & taking over female sports 🥴

[@chrismlone]

Very good interview.

[@katherinecollins4685]

Fantastic discussion

[@karlstrausside107]

Just found this channel, love it already, binge watching all day now

[@stuzo666]

Great pod man

[@Ian_Butterworth]

Another good conversation, enjoying the heretics channel.

[@MrHaze1947]

Fair play Joey. Much more clued up than I would of thought he was.

[@graceygrumble]

I used to go and watch my school football teams, back when I wasn't 'allowed' to play. I played for a football team, pretending to be a boy, as a 10-12 year old. I took coaching and refereeing qualifications. I was a 'Soccer Coach', as a student, on an American summer camp. I was the football teacher at a primary school. I was a Newcastle United season ticket holder for decades - pre-Barton and post-Barton. Lee Clarke once came to our end of season presentation, when we won the league. I am now a season ticket holder at South Shields. I love football, whether it is played by children, adults, over-50s/60s, people with disabilities, youth level, Sunday League... any and every level. I watched The Lionesses win the Euros in 2022. I was in Berlin for the final of the Euros. If all you want to watch is football being played by elite men and watching other levels of football is not for you then, quite frankly, your lack of passion for 'the beautiful game' is embarrassing.

[@theshunnedexperience6441]

Great interview Andrew! Really fascinating listen I’ve had to re-listen to it three times! Great to see your heretics podcast really taking off mate! From someone you interviewed only a couple of years ago on Shaun Attwoods channel

[@chockfullofmoxie]

Commenting for the algorithm. I love being a little late to the live stream and listening x2 speed… when I catch up you guys sound like you've had strokes out of nowhere.

[@davidmurdoch3305]

JB's views are shared by many yet, it takes courage to voice, a sad indictment on society. I promote equality in my life and work place, based on merit, earned respect and credibility. My daughter is forging her own path in life and is achieving positive things on merit and hard work. Any hint of favouritism based on gender, I know she'd walk away and actually feel undervalued. Gabby Logan is an example of meritocracy; a tremendous host and Presenter who, irrespective of gender, deserves to be where she is and sets a benchmark standard. Terrific podcast, thank you for creating a forum where genuine and honest opinions can be aired and discussed without fear of being cancelled.

[@salliesmith5991]

I want to thank you. I feel grateful to have found this content. You are an amazing interviewer and your knowledge base is amazing. I love, love, love intelligent discussion on all topics but mostly when they are heretical!

[@chesshead]

(Don't) Have a drink each time Joey touches his glasses.

[@haydenwalton2766]

I trieed ett for tan mintues. excuse me, I've got tt go to the tiolet ?

[@balthazarasquith]

​@@haydenwalton2766😅😅😅😅

[@surfleetsurfer6370]

Joey is a revelation to listen to. The direct opposite to how he is portrayed in the mainstream media. He’s welcome in my house any day.

[@Willy_Elres]

I've no idea about the details of the Jeremy Vine thing, but quick point of order: *No one* pays road tax - there's no such thing. Every (smug, perhaps) cyclist knows this fact - but all too many non-cycling drivers don't have a clue and make the same mistake that Joey does here.

[@Peterbrendanalbert]

Semantics. Do You tax your car? That is road tax.

[@drnoclue1648]

The more I listen to joey Barton,the more I believe he gets scapegoated for speaking facts. Modern day Robin Hood! Keep churning facts joey 😂😂

[@nastysoda9212]

good interview

[@MartinThompson-e1q]

He's bang on in everything he says on this subject. The only thing I would add to it, is other than the expert analysis, I like the banter former players have together on TV. They have healthy disagreements and have little digs at each other and that doesn't happen when there's a female sat there.

[@grumpysincebirth]

Just found you recently and now bingeing. Saw you with Boghossion and looked at his interviews. Could only watch one = it was with Posy Parker who was brilliant BUT so difficult to watch as he kept interrupting her all the time. It made me realise what a good interviewer your are. Onwards and upwards!

[@Doooooooooooood]

Joey had very valid points to make. His arguments hold weight BUT he started the childish name calling and the detracted from what he had to say and allowed the mainstream media to attack him and invalidate the genuine points he had to make.

[@TellmewhyIdontlikeMondays]

This.

[@sunnyadams5842]

Andrew- i'm still not re-subbing yet, but I must sat I am very happily impressed to hear you really stepping out and stepping up and having an opinion... much more interressting than listening to one more wishy-washy playing it sooooo safe "influencer" as you used to be to me. ❤❤❤ Keep Going. You have a Truth the world should hear!! Dare to be Bold, my friend❤️❤️

[@AlfredoIglesias-fv9ge]

The tickets only cost tenner as well as being empty

[@stevenbarnard1958]

That was a enjoyable watch from both of you cheers

[@SueThomas-m1k]

Andrew I think your great. The discussion highlighted some really good issues which need to be discussed, but it became very uncomfortable at times. Its not right to call people names in public. 'Looking like a cabbage patch doll' is demeaning and nasty. Hopefully a woman on TV would not disrespect you in front of thousands and call you a feminine string bean. (I'm sorry I don't mean it, its just an example of mean and belittling speech). Most of the time the victim of the insult can't answer back. I'm not preaching DEI, I'm talking about respecting each other. Female (girls) were discouraged to play football and if they reached a level of skill similar to boys at club level, they wouldn't accept them and they were banned. So that's why the business side of female game and the number and depth of players can't be compared to the men's team. Of course, as people, until recently, have argued that with all sports there's is a difference due to anatomy and physiology of the sexes. Again when I was listening to the discussion there was a level of disrespect running through the conversation. I'm an avid watcher, so keep up with inviting the different guest. I enjoy your technique and style of interviewing too.

[@HighburySquad]

This post👍 I’m a female KZbinr and at times this felt like bashing women. Folks forget how late we started in most professions, especially football. I interviewed the legendary manager of Arsenal’s quadruple winning team and these women were part-timers. Some worked in the box office for the club. This wasn’t so long ago either. These women are trailblazers who helped evolve the game. Players from this squad have earned the opportunities presented to them. Why are some men afraid of female progress? A lot of the women commentating have played at the highest level and won more than Joey. Also there are many male managers in the women’s game? Nobody is complaining about that. And Joey’s tweets have been abusive and bullying. Nothing funny about it and it’s ridiculous to suggest it’s good publicity for them.

[@linmorell1813]

He talks about having to have played at the top level then sights Des Lynham who commentated for over 40 years without ever having played! Crying for Joey as a man having to feed his family. 😢

[@joshsalvidge9615]

He makes a clear distinction between commentators who tend not to have a football background and pundits who are ex-footballers. Don't comment if you didn't listen to what he said.

[@smitzel751]

He says men that have played the sport should be the ones in pundit positions because they know more. Then he proceeds to say how Postecoglou is a chameleon and spurs is having a normal spursy season..... Im glad he isnt one of the "experts" -__-

[@markdavidson9743]

Quite a difference from being a top manager to being pundit

[@RIANAVENTER]

A person should be appointed to a job based on merit and merit alone - not any other political trend. Not race, not gender, not any sort of inclination. That is just basic common sense.

[@minzinho6787]

The Pasquale thing got me 😅

[@thewizeguide9128]

You deserve it dude... respect from Yorkshire

[@wendymurphy2558]

Great moments of truth Andrew, best wishes for your future on Utube you have exposed a lot of hypocrisy,1 will be following you and pass them onto my followers ❤

[@luttze7239]

This was an awesome conversation

[@DanielS10291]

having read/heard about joey barton second hand - i cant believe how articulate and intelligently made his points actually are. The exaggeration from our media is ridiculous, hes just a normal bloke and what hes saying isnt particularly out there or shocking

[@mitchelljarvis9247]

Spot on Joey, again. You say it like it is.

[@candigaler1845]

I love your show and the guests are amazing and always truthful and open congratulations andrew amd well done Up up and away

[@CrocPit]

Haven’t followed football since the 90s but really enjoyed this

[@lisamarr3747]

Absolutely agree with him x

[@DavidBurke-p5g]

I’m a 79year old kid,that used to love the game, I hate the way football has become, talk about women Joey, I actually enjoy watching Arsenal ladies play. When a player from either side goes down in a tackle, they are generally hurt, whereas so called men behave like they’ve been shot. You know that when Maddison goes into a tackle, he will, will go down, gets a free kick and smiles because he’s conned the ref, again. I agree that men report on men,and women report on women. I used to think you were a prat, now I think you are 98% right. I won’t cancel Sky as I don’t want to shoot myself in the foot. Keep going on with your crusade.

[@johnodonoghue3412]

Rock on joey . Tell it as it is😇