"You Can't Change Sex!" LGB Alliance Founder Debates Transgender Inclusion

Piers Morgan Uncensored guest presented by Rosanna Lockwood is joined by social media influencer Oli London, LGBTQ+ activist Peter Thatchell, comedian and radio presenter James Barr and co-founder of LGB Alliance Bev Jackson to debate the ongoing discussion of whether lesbian, gay and bi-sexual should be separate from gender identity such as transgenderism.
Bev suggests she and many other people from the LGB group were not happy about transgender and other gender identities being put with LGB to form LGBTQ+ in the first place because their alliance was to do with sexual orientation and not gender identity. Bev later goes on to say she personally disagrees with transgenderism and she believes you cannot change sex.
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[@alexcia3221]

I'm a lesbian and i am utterly appalled to be part of LGBT community. This is because i have been called transphobic because i believe that a 5 year old can not make those types of decisions.

[@creativebyarmi]

I'm gay and I'm with you on this!

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

why be a part of it ? just be you

[@sgodsellify]

These two gay men talk about being inclusive, and that there are no problems in the LGBTQ community, which is complete BS. These days you have these Non Binary, and Gender Fluid individuals, which align themselves with the Trans community, but are not trans at all. These Non Binary and Gender Fluid individuals can change their gender identity, and pronouns whenever they want. There is no stability in a community that can change their gender identity, or pronouns at the drop of a hat. Plus how can any of those individuals ever begin to think about being mis-gendered, or worry about another person not using your current selection of pronouns? To some of those individuals it's like a pronoun du jour, or in other words it's like a soup of the day, only for pronoun usage. This is lunacy.

[@jde9711]

​@@creativebyarmithank god there are decent people like you. They are ruining it for you all and our young ones. This James guy does my head in. Oly I love. He has been there done it and James talking to him the way he does is making me squirm

[@creativebyarmi]

​@@jde9711I knew I was gay from a very early age, but being young it took me growing up to know what that truly meant. Kids may have feelings but they need to grow and learn themselves, before taking such drastic measures. When they are old enough and have experienced life and still feel the same way, then they can do as they please as it's no one else's decision but theirs. But for parents to make that grown-up decision for them and let them go through the life changing process, is crazy to me.

[@cxv6367]

gay men telling lesbians they are wrong on how they feel .... gold

[@lynjeffery6860]

Exactly what I said. You can't even make this is shit. Even in 2024 us women are STILL being degraded lower then MEN. Their jealous they can be us doesn't matter what they do. That's what it boils down to.

[@BananaExpress-er8sm]

I had to learn the hard way how misogynistic gay men are

[@Anitapalace]

Gay telling lesbians they are wrong. Trans women telling women they are wrong. This is just Misogyny at it's best!

[@ITLBGaming]

Fuckin amen 😂😂

[@bubblesawesome3284]

No gay men aren’t real apparently because that’s trans phobic.

[@MrDukey85]

James barr is a perfect example of someone who has never been punched in the face

[@idellacarroll528]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sirrusly]

Yet has a face, and attitude, that most people would like to punch. Oh the irony 😂

[@dominionphilosophy3698]

And yet he will learn.

[@Norton1531]

I'd happily change that.

[@tulinfirenze1990]

But really needs it.

[@donaldburkhard7932]

Bev had good point LGB was relationships/sexual orientation. NOT GENDER!

[@CYOApg53]

I noticed that one too. I found it to be a simplisticly deep comment on how the conversation has changed from one centered around relationships of whatever kind to one that's centered on the individual. There's something to be said about a shift in discourse that moves from "we" and "us" to "me," "I," and "you" (of course these are just my initial thoughts on her statement. It's going to be sitting with me for a while)

[@gamejedi]

It's that simple? Tell me. If a man dates a trans woman, is he gay? If a trans man dates a woman, is she lesbian? I'll tell you, men dating trans women are accused of being gay, despite never having been interested in men before or afterwards. Gay men are absolutely not attracted to trans women, despite them being biologically male. Why are these things true? Is it not possible that relationships and/or sexual orientation are in some way involved here? Even indirectly?

[@foulplay99]

The LGB's have been saying forever now they don't associate with each other, and certainly not with the T's as well. A lot of them don't like the umbrella "Community" term either because they hate the mainstream gay agenda and all the corporate pandering all the time. They just want a normal life without all the BS being thrown in everyone's faces. Like why do we have Pride Month when gay people in the UK form roughly 1.5% of the population?

[@ragnarok7976]

You can tell they are different quite easily because attraction is actually "owned" by the individual. I can show up to a party with my boyfriend and people can understand that I have a different attraction that does not affect them. If I show up and say "I'm a woman" I have to get them to agree that biological fact was never a thing and that they have to use my words in accordance with my preference at the expense of their preference and their vocabulary.

[@faithscheetz5361]

I thought her point on girls who are gay being told they must be a boy

[@lemakim1128]

If you are having a genuine debate and someone says "That's transphobic!" , you know you've won the debate

[@neilburton8131]

we have the Godwins law now we need a saidwhatsaid law

[@berniefynn6623]

THIS WORD IS HATE SPEECH AND USED BY THE IMBECILES.

[@lmfao69420]

That's transphobic.

[@samsonlovesyou]

It's lost its power to silence people through overuse.

[@annas4843]

@@lmfao69420I see what you did there 😏

[@Moongazer101]

Trans should stop walking over biological women's rights.

[@wesmo_]

There is no such thing as Trans-sex.

[@stewartoneill8419]

I agree, but there's no need to say "biological women". Just say "women".

[@ChristianToth-uv1nv]

That’s right . Do not use any trans language, do not acknowledge that they exist, always “misgender” them and what you will find is that they will go away. The only reason they have any momentum is because the internet has made it seem like they have all this support, when in reality they don’t. It’s actually quite amazing. Mock distributions suggest that 9 in 10 Americans think this stuff is crazy, yet random polling reveals that ppl think 50-75% of the country politically supports Trans ideology. Most ppl are using the internet to gauge what they think the level of support is and it is truly amazing how we have conned ourselves into this. The internet has warped our perception of reality to such an extent that companies like Bud Light actually think that most of their consumers support Trans ideology, when they don’t at all, and thats why if you were scratching your head dumbfounded that they are running themselves into the ground.

[@mystic22g4]

Transgender activist don't want biological women to stand up for women's rights they want biological women to fight for biological men to be recognize as women.

[@Moongazer101]

​@@stewartoneill8419 A woman is still defined by her biological nature and rightly so. The trillions of chromosomes a person has when they are born cannot be changed.

[@guillermorivera9417]

As a gay man, I am disgusted on how a certain group of the alphabet soup have corrupted and perverted the movement. Leave children ALONE!! This has gone so far down the rabbit hole is no longer acceptable to me and many to even claim any type of association with them. Its absolutely disgusting.

[@eyesee2339]

Interesting that grown adults who choose to detransition are shamed while the same people show zero shame pushing children to transition. I think that says it all.

[@CYOApg53]

What I find astounding is many of the same people who argue that people (particularly trans) should be able to identify as whoever they are and that everyone should respect and support those choices (pronouns, names, etc) are the ones shaming people for simple things like requesting to be called "she" or "him" and not "they," or to ask to not be referred to as a cis-gendered person. And even more mind-boggling is that the person who is detransitioning is being shamed for it. What is more basic to the argument supporting trans rights other than that individuals ought to be able to identify as a different gender and be allowed to modify their body to match that identity? I really don't care how anyone chooses to identify as long as they're not harming anyone else and yet I see that there is hypocrisy on the part of some trans activists. It's become so extreme that a person can't even have a logical, fact based conversation without being called transohobic if you're not on the "no questions asked" trans rights train. Respect is demanded and not necessarily earned or returned. Saying this is all about choice but then denying others the right to choose for themselves is absolutely ridiculous.

[@No_name860]

Looks like that de-population theory wasn’t a “conspiracy theory” after all.

[@susieroy8565]

Yep

[@ADavis-xy8oj]

As a woman … this is tiring! …Women are women and men are men ! End of

[@jro182]

Wow… bigot! Jk, I agree with you. Just poking fun.

[@lindark28]

@Davis-xy8oj exactly 💯 agree, this james bloke is so pathetic in his views he's totally wrong seen him on piers Morgan, saying that Sam Smith wanted to be known as them 😂😂 but he just embarrassed himself, and Peter tatchell is just as bad,and yes women are women and men are men fact

[@lueyteledeluxe7457]

​@@jro182 Scarily, you genuinely couldn't tell .. without the qualifier at the end..

[@jameseverett4976]

Remember though, it's only their feelings that count. This is what they mean by "rights". YOUR feelings can only be interpreted as 'bigoted'.

[@gamejedi]

Spoken like a true layman.

[@GlennWD]

As a 34yr old gay man, it is definitely time for the lgbt community to break up. Enough is enough.

[@fauzia_is_a_man]

As a 16 year old gay guy I'm so agree with you

[@firpomaan5544]

As a 4 year old gayboy I think some groups (Trans) are giving other groups a bad name.

[@fauzia_is_a_man]

@@firpomaan5544 u really thought u were being funny , okay I'll play along 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@emmanuelginikanwa283]

Kindly not that the root cause of all the issues that have risen is 'homosexuality'. Nobody is born gay, you're socialized into it, so channel your 'pride' in the right direction

[@2Black4yall]

As a 6yrs old TransBoy, I am in agreement with you...

[@TrackerNeil]

James Barr is an awe and a wonder. For all his talk of love and acceptance, he's quick to tell people they are transphobic, hateful, right-wing, blah blah. He doesn't accept any view that doesn't comport with his own.

[@benwolk6494]

He's one of the most narrow-minded and intolerant people imagineable. This interview wasn't even him at his worst.

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@benwolk6494 He has always been a simple paid stooge to create opposition, and make televised debates more hostile, simply because it gets everyone talking about it and watching the program. TISWAS !!! Turn off your television and go do something less boring instead 😜

[@dph3ams1]

Watching him get schooled by Murray was comedic gold.

[@molem348]

@@DjNikGnashers That was "Why Don't You" lol (showing my age)

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@molem348 😆

[@musclebear]

As a gay man the pink thing talking doesnt represent me were not all whiney queens!

[@PaulyGolightly]

James Barr should not be given a platform. He cannot form a cohesive argument, but relies on insulting other debators or shouting over them. He is not an appropriate guest to debate on any topic

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

That James jumped down Olis throat telling him what to say, think, answer, and dont go against 'our' agenda! What the hell!

[@markroyds23]

James bar is an idiot. He once said there's no reason men and women shouldn't compete against each other as there's no advantages for men 😂 he's stupid....

[@SEPK09]

James Barr is a pratt and far to loud and should step down from tV

[@brooklyniron1999]

James is a loud hot head - who shouts before 1) listening and 2) thinking about what he didn’t hear.

[@taliawilliams2401]

He is kept on for the very reason that he can't form a sensible argument. It just further proves the point that the trans movement is going too far in certain circumstances. It is a benefit to have someone so useless

[@janicebeare8127]

I love how it's okay to identify as literally anything, but when someone decides to reverse it, suddenly you're not allowed to feel that way! It's so hypocritical

[@creativebyarmi]

This! 👏

[@salfordchris3035]

Spot on they will say oh that's ridiculous

[@evieblessed]

That's the nature of cults.

[@Rabbithole8]

Yes, and not only your feelings but thoughts. You must think someone is x, even though your mind is telling you otherwise. These people also demand that you deny your own thoughts when you utter words. You must not use the pronouns that correspond with your thoughts, but use the words others compel you to use.

[@salfordchris3035]

@@Rabbithole8 exactly their asking us to lie to ourselves and everyone else to fit a bonkers ideology

[@reszzz]

Whether you're on the left of the right, a majority of people are just sick of this

[@hmu05366]

Agree it’s got nothing to do with being a right winger. I was very left wing when I was younger and now more centrist. But never could I be convinced that gender transition is a good idea to promote on nhs for young people. It’s got nothing to do with being right wing .

[@dominionphilosophy3698]

No, the Left love it. In fact they created this madness and will not be forgiven,

[@insanadee5084]

🙋‍♀

[@georgiaredding5435]

My Dad likes to call me a labral is so not the case. enough is enough

[@hmu05366]

@@georgiaredding5435 what is a labral?

[@verbosedy9947]

Damn Oli made some great points. He might have had a weird decade or two but he's learned from everything and is rocking it now!

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I'm more inclined to listen to him than anyone else. It's clear he's been through some real hell psychologically speaking, naturally he doesn't wish the same on anyone else.

[@googleuser3163]

At this point being called Transphobic is a compliment that means you still have some attachment to reality.

[@synaesthesia4183]

Truth!!!

[@martinportelance138]

If being transphobic is trying to prevent more people from falling into it, then I'm definitely transphobic. The way I see it, real trans people (not merely travestites) are more akin to victims to a social contagion, a disease of the mind inflicted by trans-activists.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

And are None conformist

[@spruceandhemlock]

👏🏼🎯

[@sumisumi-by8xv]

Very well said, sir

[@user-lg4hh1iv5p]

I am a gay man and I want nothing to do with trans. And I’m not the only one.

[@trevorjones104]

So imagine, if you will, just how us straight types feel about being labeled "Trans-Phobic" and making headlines, when we express that we don't really want to 'Date' a Trans! Pretend will only get you so far. I can buy a life size doll with cartoon grade proportions, but no matter how much I imagine it might be so, it still isn't the same as having a girlfriend!

[@ZootZinBootZ]

@@trevorjones104 I had a person who was purely a unspecified androgynous person to me , fall into a lusty crush on me - I'm just a really normal woman who was projecting more acceptance and less affected perceptions and attitudes towards this great kind person who was expecting to find males were their respective likely partner target zone - but it turned out the guy was really Just a lesbian and that sort of reversed their priorities about assuming further female targets... It's Just a little more interesting out to in the world with more veriety and more acceptance.. or stay full of fear of colour scheme austenitic

[@jennag3226]

​@@ZootZinBootZ what?😂

[@trevorjones104]

@@ZootZinBootZ This may shock you, but when a Biological Male, decides he likes Biological Females, we usually call him "Straight", not Lesbian. LOL!

[@user-vb6ku2wh3b]

I'm a lesbian and I don't want to be associated with the TQ and what ever letters come after B. They're poison

[@rendezvouzwithrama]

1:06. No they weren't, they were cross dressing gay men, not trans. When trans activists are saying that a lesbian is a bigot if she doesn't want to have sex with a trans woman, when they are saying that men not wanting sex with a trans woman are bigots, it's ridiculous. Both don't want to have sex with biological men. That isn't bigotry, just common sense.

[@TayWoode]

James Barr as a comedian is the funniest introduction

[@natepoodle9132]

He is unintentionally funny, but probably just annoying. He cannot do stand up that is funny, so I presume his only claim to comedy is his slapstick, and ludicrous viewpoints, as seen on uncensored.

[@biry0501]

As a gay man with a long memory of this, I can say most LGB people will quietly admit in private that the TQ+ has nothing to do with us and that we never really felt comfortable being put in the same “community.” But if you don’t speak the correct language or ask the wrong questions, you get utterly destroyed.

[@AngeloGaliano]

Agree 100%

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

agreed , as a str8 man, i understand how us normal folk do NOT want relations with FAKE people pretending to be something they are not , regardless your sexuality

[@12jamiegavin12]

I’m a straight guy but I’ve got gay friends and they say much the same thing. They don’t want their sexual orientation/preferences being lumped into a category with people who clearly are struggling mentally. Being gay is not an illness but gender dysphoria is.

[@sayhello5377]

My uncle is gay. It is part of his life, not his entire identity. He has an amazing career, earns a lot of money, travels all over the world, is married, very happy, etc. BECAUSE he doesn’t make being gay his entire existence. You know what I mean? He isn’t ducking his thumb in the corner and crying because someone somewhere doesn’t like him. He just lives his amazing life.

[@biry0501]

@@sayhello5377 Exactly. For most of us, it is not our identity or what defines us. We have our rights in most Western countries and we just want to live our lives. That’s what it was all about for us. And some people believe our marriages don’t fit their definitions or whatever. But we are not so fragile in our sense of who we are to call that “violence” or accuse people of trying to erase us. We live in a free society. So I don’t get to dictate to others their language and definitions. The TQ+ crowd is not satisfied with the “live and let live” ethos on which our rights are based. They are totalitarian in their worldview. So, I want nothing to do with their project.

[@imaginethat2003]

Dude in pink is hostile, and acts like heterosexuals can't have any opinion other than his. Grow up.

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

There were no heterosexuals in the video 😂

[@theresecosgrove930]

Rotten isn't he?

[@pommiebears]

@@SexyBeautifulBabe He doesn’t ever agree when Piers is hosting either. He’s incredibly hostile, and a terrible ambassador for the LGBT Community. I wouldn’t want him representing me. Horrible boy. Lol.

[@utube1412]

Agreed he shouldn't be invited back...he adds nothing worthwhile to the discussion.

[@glen6463]

I bet his stand up comedy is really really funny

[@steverobinson8771]

The youth of today are COMPLETELY screwed. Utterly f*cking screwed.

[@dominionphilosophy3698]

Only if they remain on the stinking Left, otherwise they will be fine. This is about politics and power.

[@MK-cm8ec]

It’s so rude when James says it’s boring. I’ve heard him on two panels and he behaves the same way. He talks over people. Now he made fun of a panelist’s appearance. Disgraceful!

[@LAGoodz]

I’m Gay, I hate being referred to as in the LGBT community. I’m just gay. I’ve nothing against it, but nothing in common.

[@jawsjaws4018]

I agree the whole community idea is ridiculous. If I live next door to a gay man, he's a man who happens to be gay in my community. Same for a black man, I don't go "oh he's part of the black community". It literally causes further divide. I've been going bald for some years now, maybe I'm part of the bald community!😅 Where does it all end!!!!

[@LAGoodz]

@@jawsjaws4018 I’m bald too! Problem solved - LGBT+Slap Heads

[@jawsjaws4018]

@@LAGoodz Damn right mate!!! Let's get this written up and I'll see you at the next parade! I'll be the one with the picket sign that reads 'FUCK YOU RAPUNZEL !' 👍

[@tee2896]

I like what you said. I respect you. I respect some gay people. I respect some trans people. I respect some hetro people. If I respect you, it has nothing to do with you sexuality of identity. I respected based people based on their personality and integrity. Some may argue that gay and trans has no integrity, but I argue that what do honor, or integrity has to do with sexual preference?

[@te3e]

I’m lesbian and 100% agree with you

[@tonyh8965]

100% spot on. You can’t change sex.

[@mikeparker7631]

a few decades ago we knew you couldn't be born gay either...then we were told we were crazy/hateful, etc...by many of the same people telling us the same thing here. In a few years most everyone here will be insisting this crap is totally normal.

[@peace4harmony787]

I agree 1000% +

[@Tony-bp1nr]

​@@mikeparker7631That's why we have to stick to who we are and our beliefs. We can't allow radicals and woke leftists force conformity on us. I still know for a fact that a man can't become a woman, vice versa. I also know for a fact that someone isn't born gay. It's no different than an addiction. I struggled with alcoholism in my 20s but been clean now for 15 years. But I wasn't born an alcoholic. I experimented and became addicted.

[@Notthetimeforit]

​@@mikeparker7631two totallu different things. You're either gay/bi or you're not. I'm not gay and could never be aroused by a dude. I was born this way. Same way as a gay guy, he was born with the genetic make up that makes him gay. Simple as that. Dont believe me then make yourself gay. Try it and see how successful you are. The whole trans thing is a social contagion from a few people withba genuine issue to making it cool and targeting confused and influencable children.

[@soniacha6381]

@@mikeparker7631❤🖤❤🖤

[@simondean7631]

Love how James said that Olly couldn't talk about those who have had double mastectomies because that wasn't his experience, then continued to talk about other people's experience like an authority

[@garethwilkinson3456]

My mother told me that she was 'torn from front to back' when I was born. Thank God I can't do that. God Bless You, Mum

[@bowievision8291]

The lady is so right. LGB is about who you love. The T is a reflection on ego. Also Oli took decisions as an adult and felt regret afterwards. If anyone is entitled feel genuine concern, it must be Oli.

[@KurenaiTenka]

Yeah, the gobby child is implying that because Oli was also deluded into thinking he was transracial, he can't speak to the experience of people who are misled into transitioning. As if those same people also don't delude themselves into thinking they have split personalities, or are part animal, or are males who can menstruate. The fact that the delusion CAN go as far as what Oli experienced is WHY he's so well-placed to speak to this!

[@TheRetroManRandySavage]

Exactly. Sexuality and gender is mutually exclusive. I'm not surprised that the many in LGB community are so outraged by this.

[@lennymclean.]

Pink shirt is a leftist brainwash case. Tatchell is a spin doctor. Ollie and Bev are the ones worth listening to.

[@kevinbrewis6014]

can people not keep still when talking, wiggling arms and nodding heads, had to turn it off after 3 minutes

[@Sensorama2000]

Yes and he's been excommunicated by the gender nazies the moment he criticised the evil ideology behind transgenderism...

[@georgehorlock]

That older woman is an absolute gem 💎

[@bruce8359]

trans....vestite easy aint it

[@pjdexter168]

She said it perfectly with no degree of hostility, something only the T community seems to offer.

[@DariusGroza]

Don't assume. As a gem 💎 myself, I'm offended, so you're gemphobic!

[@nal004]

I really wanted to hear the rest of her points

[@TerryProthero]

Even the trans person on the panel was against what trans people were doing!

[@DanikaHosa]

Preach it Ollie!!! And Bev is absolutely correct!!! LGB has always been about sexuality.

[@Wiilike2tube]

After the 3rd letter of the acronym it becomes a non-sexual issue that needs to be addressed mentally

[@te3e]

I’m lesbian and can’t stand being labelled as being a part of the “lgbt+ community” it’s ridiculous

[@ElGuerreroMaya]

Just the assumption that all those people are one homogenous community is stupid and preposterous, I have thought that LGB people should separate from the T, since the gender ideology agenda and sexualization of children is absolute madness.

[@angelsadventure4996]

Why? Asking out of curiosity because I do not understand.

[@te3e]

@@angelsadventure4996 because I am a human being, not a label. I don’t see a community for the straight people & I don’t see straight people having to explain why they are straight. I’m a 21 year old female human being, that’s it, I do not feel the need to associate myself in a community just because I was born a lesbian.

[@davidmaltais2912]

​@@te3e I think exactly like you heterosexual people don't go around making sure everyone knows they are part of the straight crowd and are proud to be straight... It's just rediculous were are all just humans

[@ALinn-vr3nl]

I can't stand that some would presume that lesbians feel "community" with gays or people who say they're "born in the wrong body." I certainly don't. My community is lesbians who do not want Ts anywhere near us, and are not willing to have our rights to female-only sports, spaces, and our language removed by them.

[@petecooke7239]

I am a gay black man who does not support Pride Month, and after watching segments from ‘What is a Woman,’ I feel thoroughly disgusted by the left. I wish I could easily distance myself from the gay community. My sexual orientation cannot and will not ever change, but I can certainly choose who I associate with, donate my funds to, and support politically. By the way, I have been ‘misgendered’ over the phone, and it has happened to me throughout my adult life. I don’t alter my voice; I speak naturally. I have never gotten mad when people say ‘Yes ma’am’ to me over the phone. How or why would I? They cannot help or change how I sound, and I cannot blame them for their perceptions. These individuals really need to understand and move past it.”

[@AlexShiro]

I’d only disagree on orientation not changing; mine did n I actually met some who had theirs change which really rocked my world n what I thought I knew, however it was their true journey and I had to respect that, so I did. However, I’d respectfully definitely agree with everything else you said. I had GD for years of my life and was seen as quite androgynous, did not subscribe to gendered roles, aside from obvious biological differences with reproduction and overall strength, and came to peace with my birth sex in my late 20s without transing. Male and female are what they are. I’m ok if ppl want to act/dress along with cultural stereotyping as they choose, but it doesn’t change their sex. Personality and preferences aren’t sex or all we are. I’ve been misgendered, lol since childhood n realised it was no big deal, just as you did. It seems like something is missing for those who can’t have a good natured laugh and just go about life.

[@heyitsmichael6256]

Ecclesiastes 10 1 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. The Holy Spirit sums it up right here. What you won't hear in a WOKE Church.

[@emotionaleaters241]

All gay people that I know are exactly like you. They get on with their lives. They fit in with everyone around them. It is the transgender group who is different.

[@paulreader1777]

@@heyitsmichael6256 Try checking the true definition of wokeness. You will find that Jesus was woke by the true definition. It has nothing whatever to do with transgenderism, or whether you are dextrous or sinister (you can look up their original meanings too).

[@TauLucas]

@@emotionaleaters241 I'm trans and I believe the problem is people are negating simple facts because they want to be the "real" version of whatever gender they picked for themselves while seeking validation from others. I'm first generation Episcopalian Haitian American and I knew from 6y/o I wanted to be a boy. I was raised in the church and was never allowed to have American friends or watch American TV. I didn't know it was an option to alter your body until I was 23 years old and at 26 I socially and medically transitioned. Life has been extremely easy except for losing my grandmother and the pandemic. We all have one life. Let parents raise their children. Send neglected children to CPS. Stop seeking validation from others. Give people access to valid mental health professionals and drink wanter and eat quality whole foods from time to time. It's really not that deep.

[@Jacqui-pc3vk]

I ❤ Oli London ❤ It’s so lovely to hear your big strong voice championing the protection of women and especially children. Thank you It is so very important

[@tiffany7269]

Ollie and Bev tried to bring up the real issues. Children mutilating their bodies. That is ultimately the concern and people like Peter and James avoid the issue.

[@samg8840]

As a gay man its time to separate the LGB from the TQ+

[@anthonyoz6113]

exactly it is totally fvcked the tq are identities not sexualities

[@jtrain5615]

absolutely

[@joeroberts2298]

Totally agree fellow gays bi lesbians need to stop this woke rubbish that is destroying us

[@levent.a.7280]

100%

[@Bad-wolfe]

as another gay man totally agree with you

[@kamilbraszka6805]

People in their own community being labeled "transphobic", because they disagree...God help us!

[@bereal6590]

James was right. Bev was being nasty as hell. What stupid stuff she spouted, she is acting now like how heterosexuals acted towards gays. The woman is nuts

[@Dano.G]

How do you think Nazis got in power? If you were against them, you were labeled a Jew supporter. The Antisemitism sentiment grew to be the perceived majority at the time in Germany. Same today with the woke labeling anyone who disagrees racist, sexist, misogynistic, transphobic, homophobic, ableist, etc. Things currently seen as bad in our current sociopolitical climate. Done in order to shut down debate, love the one on the right said, he's not interested in talking about this, it's boring, what's the point... Blah blah blah. Truth is, they avoid debating it because they don't have logical arguments... They don't exist because their entire worldview is built on falsehoods. All they have is emotional appeal, another logical fallacy. They attempt to bully others into compliance through shame and reputation damage. That's what women do... Hmmm, so if it's not lesbians pushing this stuff... It must be straight women... Women brainwashed into Wokeism in college and public schools, now in the workforce in positions of power... That's who the enemy is. They are evil! Narcissistic, Machiavellians or psychopathic leaning women.

[@bflower1562]

You took the words out of my mouth..Pls ask god to help me too.🙏😳

[@Kaspleen]

And people who don’t like pride month are apparently homophobia and should be made to feel uncomfortable. This was posted but some people on my social media feed and It is utterly ridiculous

[@seriaz3933]

Help them, i'm chill.😂

[@aftalavera]

I stopped feeling sorry the minute I realized they were coming for my grandchildren. 🎉

[@paulyc2468]

Oli is a great soul. The guy in the pink kept interrupting him when he was making points instead of listening all while Oli is most knowledgeable and has lived through transitioning. If it doesn't fit his narrative he wants nothing to do with u

[@silver4831]

He thought he was Asian ffs...

[@iridescent_Commodore]

​@silver4831 yes that's true, but now he realised that it's not right and has come round and is proving that anything can influence someone to do something that they will regret later on in their life (in oli's case the many surgeries he took to make himself look like jimin and identify as korean and trans, etc.) Realising that now, and through his experience, he's now taking that experience and showing how much that could hurt others not just physically and emotionally, but psychologically. I'm glad he's actually getting better and going out there to spread the truth on the matter. Anyone can change for the better. It's only a matter of time until they realise that and makes a huge positive impact for those affected as well.

[@bperry573]

The fact that the gay guy felt like he had to attack the detrans guy, before they even said anything, tells me all i needed

[@billyje4726]

So true!! 👈

[@kevinlocke6120]

He obviously hates women too

[@FungusMossGnosis]

This is the last time I click on a video that features that boorish "comedian". All he ever does is mindlessly spout politically correct slogans and insult guests. "Woke comedian" is a contradiction. To be a real comedian, you need to be unafraid of exploring any uncomfortable territory to get at the truth. He's a frightened little rabbit, foaming at the mouth.

[@jasonbaxter3658]

yep the gay guy was being incredibly rude and transphobic. Felt sorry for Oli who wasn't given a chance to share his point of view

[@PoAssProductions]

@@jasonbaxter3658all of them gay

[@Sophie-bw7zy]

I’m not a lesbian but feel for that specific community. It is a slap 👋🏻 in the face watching two men tell a woman what she should feel. Tired of men like this.

[@jasonantigua6825]

@jim ster you now agree with slavery then?

[@k-dude4514]

Aww poor victim.

[@ballyod]

@@jasonantigua6825 They repented their sins. How can they possibly support slavery?😆 Tool🤪

[@ballyod]

You can call them ‘men’ if you choose. I beg to differ.

[@bruce8359]

all of em are full of sh....t

[@user-iu2ww7rm1p]

This is the person , we should listen to , not some woke comedian who thinks if we don’t agree with him We don’t have a voice !

[@Square-nose]

You wanna know what, Oli London has come a long way. Good for him. He woke up and now is fighting for the right thing

[@igloozoo3771]

Ollie's transformation from delusional to level headed truth seeker is quite Amazing that people totally seem to ignore.

[@hey_wolf]

I was shocked at what he was saying he was so real

[@MaisyTalerico]

Yes it was horrible seeing the man insulting him basically to get his point through, saying that because he wanted to be a bts character makes his opinion invalid… Oli has definitely grown from that and it’s amazing!

[@No_name860]

That’s the spirit of God working in him.

[@MilesIsAHottie]

Seeing the title of the video and not knowing who is who though remembering Ollie as that famous person who did so many crazy things, I was shocked to see him being the reasonable person instead. But also, it makes sense cause he's the one who is the "been there done that" while the other gay guy is the young and immature one.

[@igloozoo3771]

​@@MilesIsAHottie Leftists want gay people to remain Godless and Promiscuous and out of their minds.

[@brocktoon8]

Everything Bev Jackson said is completely right.

[@ALinn-vr3nl]

Yes, she is fantastic. I've got to look her up and join up with her. I want to join up with her to work on this and support what she's doing. She is absolutely right that there are HUGE numbers of lesbians who can't stand this takeover of our rights.

[@biggregg5]

I'm straight, and I feel for her. She made total sense. One can be supportive of another group without being part of it. I'm supportive of those who want to be trans with the exception of some very strange ideologically driven principles they are pushing.

[@ireallymeanthis2760]

Everyone needs to hear more from her. I think she was about to correct Tatchell's revisionist views regarding the alleged involvement of trans persons at the outset of the gay rights movement.

[@dobanks]

The Adult in the Room.

[@paulw5039]

@@dobanks Exactly. She's talking calmly and logically, whereas the trans activists were shouting over people, throwing around accusations of 'transphobe' (as if that is somehow an argument, instead of a thought-terminating cliché). She talked like an adult and they threw tantrums like children, like they always do.

[@lindaclifton2460]

I am a biological woman…. My best friend he is a gay man he has a partner they are great friends to me and my family…they both hate what’s going on in the world Neither of them have any time for trans and what is going on. Alli said he has not had any stigma towards him since the 1974 untill early this year when someone screamed at his partner in public calling some awful names. They think it’s disgusting that Men are in Woman’s sport. And what is going on in schools… neither deserve to be shouted at … they have never had any remarks between 1076 untill 2023 they had a great life they fitted in but they feel that due to what’s going on they feel they have to justify every thing. ..It’s not fair on the gay and lesbian community’s. ..My friends also hate the trans flag …..

[@charlottewyttle1578]

We tried to be nice…what a disaster

[@jayclark8284]

Notice how the young guy belittles Oli in order to undermine his arguments without addressing them. This tactic is what people are getting so tired of.

[@arlettasloan6453]

That's because to him Oli is just a pesky woman in disguise. "You don't know your own mind little woman." That's exactly how he was treating all the people that weren't gay men.

[@anastasiae.5338]

Hopefully banning tiktok will put an end to a lot of this self-marginalization and being put upon in order for views and likes. It's just encouraging narcissistic behavior.

[@gpk131]

I am a gay man and i do not want the T to be anywhere near me at all. They are, at best, bullies these days. We are not a small fraction, we are actually the majority, but the bullies shut us down.

[@UnderPeruvianSky]

Thank you!!!!!!! They are ruining things I think.Have you heard of " gays against groomers "?

[@sairamsoundararajan5190]

​@@UnderPeruvianSkyhell yeah fuckin right!!

[@mpicc4808]

And you do nothing. Remember, heterosexuals gave you your existence.

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

I've got a gay friend who likes to do female cosplay (we're anime fans) and even HE agrees that the activists aren't really helping matters. He's even afraid to show himself in public, he's hiding his real self

[@bev4155]

All ground gained in the 80s and 90s has been destroyed and drug the rest of us back in the closet.

[@Aldous944]

Bev Jackson makes a lot of sense. The shift from sexual relationships into the politics of gender identity is making a mess of women's and gay rights.

[@theunknownsamurai7426]

This insane! People telling others how they should act, talk and feel.

[@sunekoo]

That young guy in the right not wanting to even discuss and calling it “boring” is typical of trans activism as they know that their ideas won’t stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny. So instead they shout “transphobe!” as loud as possible in the hopes people will be scared and back down. Thank goodness for people like Bev for standing up to these bullies.

[@TheConscientiousView]

It seems like the modern day version of declaring someone “a witch!” or “Blasphemer!”. Nothing new under the sun.

[@aidananstey9848]

And any one who disagrees can be summarily dismissed as a "right winger". And young lesbian girls cutting their breasts off "NOT HAPPENING" SMH.

[@TeranRealtor]

That young guy learned from years of watching the homosexual community "debate" same sex marriage. The homosexual community bullied the country into HAVING same-sex-marriage, in courts........ then loudly proclaimed that "The majority of the country 'accepts' gay marriage!" - When more than half the states have a prohibition to it in their constitutions and 29 have passed laws banning it. But homosexuals (just like climate activists do...) proclaim it as a "given fact". Trans activists are now pulling the same trick.

[@iyke4566]

I am just surprised people take trans activistism seriously

[@TeranRealtor]

@@iyke4566 in the 50's, most people were surprised at how seriously McCarthy took the "Communist activists", believing that it could never take a foothold in this country. More recently, people were surprised at how seriously some took the homosexual activists, believing that same sex marriage could never be forced upon us. Soon enough, "grooming" will be protected by the courts (look to California now) and anyone speaking out against trans activists will be jailed (look to Canada and other countries already for this). Evil means business, and does not rest. Always take it seriously.

[@edwinnetto6248]

As a retired gay who went through the struggles, police raids & brutality, I wonder who appointed the radical activists like Peter as our representatives? Bev makes so much sense!

[@brocktoon8]

According to Fred Sargent who was at the Stonewall riot, there were no trans people leading that protest; it was lesbians. Peter is so full of shit.

[@pommiebears]

I imagine it must be frustrating for you. ❤

[@ezze2901]

how do you retire gay ?

[@Earth.VS.Humans]

​@@ezze2901 😅

[@lurpdeedurp5890]

@@ezze2901 Someone who has retired from working and is also gay…

[@user-en1zl7ii4h]

My daughter told me that she is bi sexual. She would keep it secret not from me her dad or her brothers. But at the school she did not even tell her friends or school about it. I bet you all can guess why. I will give you a hint. My daughter was cruelly bullied at school. To the point that I had to get my daughter treatment she would cut herself. They did nothing absolutely nothing to help my daughter. But she said why would she want the school's help. All she needs to say is her sexuality and she would get all the fake love and attention. Were was this offer when she was crying, putting a blade to her arm's Crying in my arm's, constantly being ridiculed for her size 4,11". Even at college she keeps it secret.

[@silentvoice4970]

Oli and Bev are talking sense. Peter & Pink Shirt are Gaslighting. Lesbians and Bi Women are against all this shit. I'm Bi & I stand with Lesbians.

[@angeli662]

As a gay man, please DROP THE T.

[@levent.a.7280]

Oh yeah please drop it, LGB Sounds much more better and not confusing at all and very normal , without the T no one will be homophobic, The world will be a far better place

[@viewer409]

As a fellow gay man, I think it’s up to us to start. Or it won’t happen. From now on I’m just G (lgb)

[@levent.a.7280]

@@viewer409 exactly for me too , from now on it's LGB not LGBT, the Ts don't exist

[@monk3yboy69]

I’m 49 and it’s always been LGB for me. Never adopted the T. Time now for everyone to say no

[@ca8944]

@@viewer409 than do something! Are you going to school board meetings?

[@rachellandherr5262]

Stay strong Bev. Don’t let these men push you around.

[@ALinn-vr3nl]

Yes. She's very good at not letting them. She is good at commanding attention and holding it, because she's an excellent speaker and communicator on this issue.

[@davidizod1243]

Bloody right. I am tempted to say that the whole trans movement is yet another disguised attempt for men to tell women how they should behave and what they should think.

[@blueeyeddevil454]

Men? lol.

[@geoffdean2372]

She’s not got a big mouth on her.

[@NidgeDFX]

The radical weft hijacked all of the movements. This is why you let the special kids ride the bus not drive it.

[@2px_]

have you noticed the actually gay and actual transgender ppl who are actually are suffering, never feel the need to constantly identify with it and let everyone know about it? it's called ATTENTION SEEKING

[@lmj2403]

Oh shame... Poor James has to resort to claiming transphobia.... Poor baby, nasty people are being ugly to him... Ugh. Grow up and rejoin the rest of us in the real world. Bev, you deserve a medal.

[@personalcheeses8073]

He’s a child

[@RestorationsFOD]

@@personalcheeses8073 A spoilt one at that

[@doomboydoomable]

he's an absolute dick, i enjoy listening to him just so i can get irrate about him lol he's so blinkered, only his opinion is the right one

[@thetone79]

100% agree. Be fair to gay and lesbian people, couples. Be real ❤

[@joshuabray37]

The last time he was on, he criticized Douglas Murray for being a CIS man. Douglas destroyed his argument because he is a proud gay man.

[@kimrt37]

This was refreshing. It's high time the LGB and the TQ+ goes their separate ways. The T desperately needs the LGB to be on their side. The LGB does not need the T. They've completely highjacked the movement and taken it back decades!

[@jeffsimon9594]

Yes, great isn't it!

[@mikiohirata9627]

Trans + were always included in the original Gay liberation movements. Where and how did we think it's tarted from ? Stone wall Inn ! LGB never needed to add /accommodate Trans+ if you ask me. They are different arguments to human gender identity bussiness.

[@ryanorlando1122]

Also to make it even more confusing, I think like 70 to 80% of all Trans people transitioning today , are gay/lesbian in orientation.

[@hotdog1214]

@@mikiohirata9627 Stonewall was gay men and lesbians for the most part. The actual events are sketchy but many eye witnesses say it was ignited by a scuffle between police and Stormé DeLarverie, a lesbian woman. History also records the likes of Marsha P. Johnson as prominent figures but he was a self-proclaimed drag queen, not trans. Its a falsehood that the Stonewall riots and Gay rights were spearheaded by the Ts, and Peter Tatchell stating otherwise is codswallop and an insult to the generations who went before us.

[@clairhonnor6211]

​@@hotdog1214so disappointed with treacherous Tatchell

[@mizzysparrots4874]

Keeping up with genders and sexualities is exhausting. I’d rather just live life and not make my entire personality revolve around labels to explain myself to others 😅

[@bushtucker66]

The oof in pink said , there's no division. Immediately calls the odd looking fellow devisive. Then they continue to tear each other apart. The oof in pink is irrational, it never makes sense.

[@lauwc1997]

This lady is spot on. It is time for people to wake up and drop the topic. Just teach our children biology.

[@WHEREAMI42]

James Barr... self-identified comedian.

[@SpikeyMikey341]

Well he is a joke 😊

[@samuel_iv]

i cant believe the transphobic remarks about ollies racial and gender identity struggle, so disgusting!😂

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

Brilliant

[@creativebyarmi]

here here!

[@maryannebrown2385]

@@samuel_iv Because they can’t debate facts. They immediately resort to ad hominem attacks.

[@fenzirulfr]

Proud of Oli for being upfront about his past issues. Glad he's dealt with them

[@Littlemiss79Janine]

Oh my word this James Barr guy! 🙈 I honestly can’t deal!

[@whistlingmeerkat]

That guy James will never convince anyone while he bullies other people and name calls when he can't win arguments.

[@genuinejustin6269]

I know, dude is the definition of an SJW snowflake. He's so delusional that nothing anyone says will ever fix his stupidity.

[@karensimpson4869]

Yes and as a gay woman it’s a mine field .

[@clairemeehan7250]

Yep - he's sat there denying any division in the community, whilst demonstrating the fact. And you're exactly right because he does bully.

[@onlyhyuk]

Trans really don't know how to engage in healthy arguments. Every time they run off logical things say they result in shouting down the other side. It would be for their benefit if for once they just debate with logic and scientific evidence.

[@Hllee6428]

Yeah I don’t get why James keeps getting invited to such talk shows ever since he made a fool of himself in that episode with Douglas Murray.

[@michaelharvest931]

Guy in pink: “There is no division in the LGBTQIA+ community” Bev (Co-Founder of LGB Alliance): “Why was T added in the first place?” Pink shirt guy: “🤬🤬🤬”

[@monk3yboy69]

Guy in pink is a comedian apparently….

[@Yeahabouthat]

@@monk3yboy69 Probably only "identifies" as a comedian. 😁

[@justleon721]

He sure was emotionally invested for someone who supposedly found the conversation "boring." I can understand getting frustrated & angry if one is *_forced_* to participate in a conversation they find pointless & boring, but then why agree to do the segment? It's not like he didn't know in advance what the topic would be. If "the community" is so united about it, why did he think his voice was even needed?

[@MrWestos]

​@@justleon721 He can't stand it that people disagree with the lmnop+ rainbow cult, which is why he was constantly trying to talk over and shut Oli down. Prize tw*t. And as for Tatchell, look into his views on children consenting to s*x with adults...

[@GODJWilly]

😂 Bro in pink identifies for sure as a comedian, cause comedians laugh at real life, and help us laugh at real life, didn’t hear a single one liner, storytime or anything. What a deepfake comedian.

[@ryanlicastro3041]

The irony in saying it's insanity that they aren't putting this stuff on kids and the irony in stating that it's insanity to say men can't be women

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

As a gay guy I have always wondered why trans is included with the LGB? I am against children being exposed to any forms of sexuality.

[@LeaMumof3]

I could have listened to that woman for hours. She was fabulous. That young bloke who tried to weaponise Olis prior trans status was telling. Supprt trans but demonise detransitioners.

[@David-vh8op]

Absolutely it's all about acceptance, understanding and respecting other people's personal choices in how they identify.... Until that person disagrees with you or challenges your ideas, then you disregard everything that they say, attack them, ridicule them for how they identify themselves deny them to have a voice in the conversation. Complete hypocrisy as always

[@squodge]

Yeah, James (the young bloke) also got upset when he was called 'woke' (which he is). The way he just laid into Oli was uncalled for.

[@steve10]

It's shows their vile little personalities, bitchy queens getting nasty because someone has a different opinion. His attack was as bad as this so called trans phobia, which in reality is people with common sense essentially telling the truth about men can't be women, the mentally disturbed however call it transphobia , well if my common sense is that , then so be it , I dont really care tbh.

[@c.b.h1151]

They're all like that. Aggressive, shouty, loud, overriding, fascist, homophobic.

[@bereal6590]

@@user-ju6ud4go6b he was dismissive because if you didn't notice this Ollie guy has his own agenda and is clearly a very mixed up person. Now they're jumping on the no im a man who is Asian bandwagon. Clearly a messed up person

[@livelife5947]

I’m not interested in hearing men define womanhood. I’d like to hear more from lesbians on this issue. Typically all we hear is gay men speaking about what we are as women & what we should accept. They’re beyond disrespectful, misogynistic & patriarchal. Their opinions about women’s issues are completely invalid, they shouldn’t be given air time.

[@MsGreenmermaid]

Quite a lot of gay men are misogynistic I've found!

[@mollyhooper8674]

Exactly. It`s not affecting gay men. It`s affecting us. But yet again, we don`t have a voice, unless we agree.

[@laurenjones2909]

I agree 100 percent I hope the lesbian project takes off with julie bindle and kathleen stock , hopefully we get our lesbian only spaces back that would be nice woudnt it ladies😁✌

[@joshlife6395]

It is so ironic that the same groups that have claimed this "big evil patriarchy" being in control of the world, have openly allowed, supported and encouraged men to walk into the feminine space and take over womanhood- it's bizarre. Men, whether trans or gay, literally can not possibly know what it is like to be a woman- let alone then start to tell biological women what it is and how it should be defined.

[@fauzia_is_a_man]

As a gay man, most of us aren't like this, and i really am ashamed of the woke gay men, but i think you're taking about Dylan mulvaney who recently came out as " lesbian " . So he's not gay he's just a narcissistic straight man

[@juliaanderson6153]

When the old guy says "this trend" about the trans community 🤣🤣 let that slip hahaha

[@julietessam2999]

I wouldn’t even include the B because if the L and the G are covered, so is the B by default.

[@nwinburn]

A gay man thinks he knows more about transgenderism than a trans person. And another gay man thinks he knows more about what lesbians want than a lesbian. Those two just made me, finally, understand the definition of mansplaining 🤣🤣🤣

[@farfisa]

You completely missed the point. Again.

[@nwinburn]

@@farfisa I didn't, but that's okay 🤣

[@farfisa]

@@nwinburn I think your comment crossed mine, it’s possible you’re talking at crossed porpoises.

[@ukbloke28]

This James Barr is a perfect example of what is wrong with these people. He's literally saying you can identify with whatever you like AS LONG AS IT'S WHAT THEY WANT. Who the hell is he to tell anyone what to think and do?

[@kimbarnes7901]

He's really unfunny calls himself a comic. I'd go to consumer protection.

[@miruuuuuuuu]

I wanted to see James Barr's show online to evaluate how his comedy is and how many people give appreciation it on social media. There were none. James Barr is quite a sad sight to see, really, to succumb to being a pretentious and possibly delusional person.

[@Bails0796]

I feel like this James Barr is only a comedian when he is in this studio. He plays the role well of a completely deluded man who spouts rhetoric and shouts down anyone who doesn't agree with him. Pretentious little man with a loud voice is all he amounts to.

[@moka1251]

Ik and it really doesn't help that he looks EXACTLY like Humpty Dumpty

[@BestHKisDLM]

IMO he’s doing great comedy on news. Other than that it’s just another ehmm…

[@paulmiles6012]

That James fella must be a great comedian.... I 'laugh' every time he opens his mouth.

[@richalderson6069]

It was almost like everything was floating in a delusional dreamworld till Bev started speaking and we all came down to earth again.

[@theresecosgrove930]

Like coming out of a bad trip.

[@TheRightFacts928]

Transphobic is no longer a derogatory term, but a compliment that we still have some ounce of common sense left.

[@halfg8641]

Yep

[@konojotaroda9109]

Too right

[@melanieperry8314]

No, phobic/ phobia means fear. I don't fear them but getting very annoyed.

[@EmilyRabjerg]

@@melanieperry8314 so true

[@dammar117]

The term "transmisia" exists.

[@elmifriends7319]

Never did I think that I will come across a discussion where all they were discussing the digree of LGB that is inoffensive and or which is unacceptable.

[@wonderkid-wr7mh]

Peter and James just taught me .....that whether you are trans/cis/homosexual or heterosexual, where there are men, there will be misogyny. That young twat, James, calling Bev's heartfelt expression of her distress "boring" was the height of lack of empathy and love. As a woman and a rational human being, I want to thank Oli for being genuine. He seems to have worked really hard on healing his trauma.

[@karensenneron3983]

I feel for Bev. She made a very coherent and undeniable statement about all the implications and repercution of the trans-activism, and was shut down by words that couldn't meet the same intellectual standard. You spoke the truth Bev and you've been heard.

[@gandalfhan]

Tell me you and your friend have Medieval-like understanding of gender and sex without telling me you do Karen:

[@CdrRogdan]

@@gandalfhan The people in medieval times had a better understanding of sex and gender than the alphabet crew does.

[@gandalfhan]

@@CdrRogdan sure they did.

[@CdrRogdan]

@@gandalfhan They definitely did. They knew that there was man and woman and that's it. Anything else is a mental disorder.

[@phunchu8202]

​@@gandalfhan Tell me you think gender and sex are different things without telling me you are an idiot.

[@zs9458]

The young dude immediately showed his defeat and his intention by trying to insult Ollie when Ollie mentioned something reasonable and logical that the young dude had no argument against

[@johnpatrick9552]

That's a dude? 😂

[@solentforest]

Which was?

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

I didn't see any dudes on there just attention seeking pricks

[@caseyrounsaville1258]

i think that young dude is a pastor of an lgbt church. left me heated when he called god a liar basically said that Adam eating the fruit is the action we should take in our life.

[@miruuuuuuuu]

@@caseyrounsaville1258 the young dude claims to be a comedian with no videos of him doing comedy online. That is highly unlikely if he does succeed in comedy. I think he's a person who gives himself more titles than his audience count.

[@PaulLaurinD]

What a world. I can’t finish this one. God bless

[@Amae580]

Thanks Ollie London and Bev for sticking up for women.

[@VTH599]

I love to hear how articulate Ollie is.

[@nafrayu9832]

You do realize that they did so with lies and misinformation 🤦‍♂️

[@marc7983]

if the other one wasn't in Bronski Beat, he shouda been

[@Muppet160]

​@@nafrayu9832what are the lie?

[@Bouch1018]

@@nafrayu9832classic claims with no evidence.

[@ThePlaiibox]

Bev is completely on the money here. Well said 👏

[@Rekaert]

Well James switched rather quickly. He went from "no division, accept trans people" and straight into trying to undermine Oli London's trans-status. James "Wrong Kinda Trans" Barr. Has a ring to it.

[@Jacqui-pc3vk]

Bev you are also sane and amazing. You and Oli are just fabulous! I so agree in allowing a person to grow into their body and enjoy their sexuality. Hormones and surgery should never be pushed on children.

[@GlennTaylor-zt1cb]

There is nothing to debate, a person cannot change sex, fact!

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

Outwardly they can

[@jackhumphries6687]

​@@SexyBeautifulBabe nope

[@lorrygeewhizzbang9521]

@@SexyBeautifulBabe That still doesn't make them the opposite sex.

[@jimmelton5846]

​@@SexyBeautifulBabe you polish a turd and it's still a turd, on the outside you can look how you wish, it doesn't change anything.

[@vanavatareight5135]

​@SexyBeautifulBabe No, outwardly, they can only wear costumes. You may as well say a kid can change into a monster on Halloween.

[@rosetealatte9282]

Every single time I see James in an interview he name calls, bullies, and tries to shut up the other person if they don't agree with him. He is a very poor representative for his so called 'community.' He well expresses why people are sick of this topic. Because its 'believe what I believe or else' and its disgusting.

[@whitewhale9012]

Yup. Its bigotry. Any disagreement in opinions or values is confronted with rage and hate. That's what bigotry is.

[@nochpo4230]

He represents his community accurately: violent, loudmouthed thugs

[@Mozgor]

Couldn’t agree more, he’s a narcissist

[@nimit2535]

Yeh, he comes across as a bitter bully. Definitely has issues that one. Anyone who's constantly hostile and defensive can't be happy or balanced in their brain.

[@Krystlist]

the fact that he represents transpeople when he isnt one (as far as i know) is what is weird af

[@Gaby74237]

Some people on the panel are literally insulted that others have a different opinion than they have. They come to the discussion with a huge chip on their shoulders. Not helpful at all😢

[@j.watson9060]

You can't change sex, you can change yourself physically but what you are runs through you like a stick of Blackpool rock.

[@barryfoxworth8949]

The LGB founder made absolute sense!

[@talon532]

From now on it should only be LGB. Now that, I can get behind.

[@pixiewings21_9]

Thank goodness for Bev - what she said about the LGB being about sexual preference and the 'rest' being about identity is the first time any of this has made sense to me. As a straight woman who wants to be supportive and compassionate, trying to understand what's going on lately has been a bit of a struggle.

[@majormind1584]

Yeah it's been absolute chaos and confusion. I genuinely worry for the youth right now, biology and people's wants and desires have become totally conflated

[@Sandypetr]

​@@majormind1584 I think that's because there is a bigger agenda at play.

[@ALinn-vr3nl]

Yes. To this lesbian, she also makes complete sense. You might check out her organization and support her work. She and we all could use the support of allies. I'm sure it is very confusing to people who want to support and not harm, such as yourself. Also, if you google "gender-critical," you'll find lots of women's groups who agree with Bev. Thanks for your support.

[@majormind1584]

@@ALinn-vr3nl I can imagine, I learnt lots from her and everything she said was factual, quick Google search confirms! It's like the movement was taken out of their hands for political/pharma reasons

[@pixiewings21_9]

@@ALinn-vr3nl Bless! I will definitely do so, thanks for the extra information. I find it distressing that so many people have rigid (often hate-laced) opinions without first trying to learn more about the issues involved.

[@jacquimccaw2494]

Please stop having James on he has a horrible demeanour and won’t listen to anyone. The hosts never adequately control him.

[@DancinJim]

Why Peter Tatchell is continually invited on to be a spokesperson for LGBTQ is a mystery to me. This man endorses PIE. I won't say any more - just look up what PIE is (something that had been supported also by Labour MPs in the past)

[@apemoon1731]

Shes right. You can't change sex no matter how hard you 'identify' and shout at people.

[@w.sommen5209]

Like James is doing

[@Neutrois]

Sure you can, plastic surgery is pretty good and we have crisper cas9

[@apemoon1731]

@@Neutrois you can have as much surgery as you like, you'll still always be the sex you were born.

[@apemoon1731]

@@w.sommen5209 no, he isn't

[@samtt4489]

@@NeutroisThere’s no way you actually think you can change your sex with plastic surgery… do you even know what someone’s sex is..? As in, the definition of the word

[@turns2ashes]

One of my friends is a lesbian, a very outspoken lesbian and she is now scared to go to pride events due to men putting on dresses and claiming to be women. She says a lot of her lesbian friends feel the same. Bev is right.

[@royboy6890]

Thats the problem with Tatchell and the other guy being the spokespersons for the trans movement. They will never feel fear of a woman putting mens clothes on and claiming to be a man and at the same time no male athlete will feel threatened by a F/M trans competing against them. Keep men out of women's spaces.

[@MFYouTube683]

That’s not what people in the LGB are talking about, and it sounds stupid and made up. Have you met a real lesbian? Like .. in your life? Read what you wrote 😂 What we ARE discussing is that LGB should separate from the TQIA+, because sexuality and gender identity are completely separate issues. TQIA+ is about power, it is about the DEMAND that we as a society validate their subjective experience against our objective reality. Gay / Bi people just wanted the freedom to love whom we please and for it not to be criminalized - granted we got more with marriage equality etc. But these trans-issues are creating resentment in the entire population including among the LGBs and the violent hatred and public shaming, the doxing of people, causing them to lose their jobs etc. simply because it is not acceptable that a minority kicks up such a stink to feel validated. I am tired of having to explain that I don’t defend the trans agenda, that I don’t agree that trans women should participate in women’s sports and that trans women with penises are entitled to access lesbian spaces. This whole debate is absurd, it makes us vulnerable and destroys 60 years of political progress to accommodate a fringe group that craves above all power and that has stylized a mental health issue into an oppressed minority while using tactics, language and a distinct form of psychology that is reminiscent of what happened in Germany in the 1930s. Seriously - take a closer look, it’s unsettling and it is like a cancer.

[@jamiejosh96]

Yes, because being trans isn’t a sexuality… it has nothing to do with being gay which is what pride was about. It’s totally lost what it stands for

[@turns2ashes]

@@jamiejosh96 💯

[@hazelpollittside6344]

If it has a penis he's still male......keep em out of womens toilets prisons and other spaces!