Women don't think men are human

From The Table Podcast Episode 4
• Why are women like thi...

[@Saint_Darius]

Whenever women try to make the conversation a "both sides" thing, you know they know that they're the main problem.

[@MinnesotaEverything]

Perfectly said “Women do a lot of talking, men do a lot of thinking”

[@CableGod2333]

Not a lot of listening. You have two ears for a reason

[@jeremiahgiles3593]

Bih said "i apologized for ME after doing you bad enough for you to leave me so i could feel better" and thought it was a good thing 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Ceeboyforlife]

Exactly

[@JamilLynch]

They don't have the ability for accountability. They're socialized to run from and blame men for their problems and then exhort those same men to solve their problems.

[@keraatkins7833]

It is a good thing forgiveness lies in the victims court but acknowledgement of one’s actions and adjustments to one’s character belongs to the perpetrator.

[@Koyasi78]

​​@@keraatkins7833how can you acknowledge your actions if you are unaware of them? Only the victim can correctly inform you of their transgression. Maybe a case like theft is clear. But something like disrespectful language and attitude or behavior? Most folks, especially women, ain't trying to hear without argument further showing their delusion. Impossible to forgive yourself for that which you don't know you did, at that point you're just making up your transgression and can never grow.

[@dizruptivemindz]

I love watching these videos. Its like watching a team of people trying to raise the Titanic.

[@Issey_B_Devo]

😂😂😂😂

[@TheMightyWalk]

It’s a waste of time

[@BLUEOrange_QCE]

It’s sobering to notice people often say “my woman is a great women” but “he was a great man”. Women can get flowers on any day good men get flowers on there graves.

[@deadlyninja112]

Damn good quote

[@BLUEOrange_QCE]

@@deadlyninja112 thanks I made it up

[@deadlyninja112]

@@BLUEOrange_QCE 📝📃

[@Issey_B_Devo]

We’re not “Human” to them until they’re aged out washed up and there’s nothing left and now they want to be introspective and receptive to a man’s needs. Nah. Game Over.

[@Nightcall411]

I absolutely agree with what you're saying 1000%, however what you described is wisdom men have their own version of what you described. Now don't get me wrong I do agree with you but if you look at wisdom you oftentimes have to make mistakes or break a few eggs to make an omelet. To find a woman let alone a young woman to already be wise enough not to make the mistakes but already have learned from her predecessors is a rarity, almost like looking for a blue unicorn in the wild.

[@Issey_B_Devo]

@@Nightcall411 Exactly. And they are called WIVES!!!

[@Nightcall411]

Lmao, no you're right, you're a thousand percent right.

[@Nightcall411]

Here's a question I have for you and it's similar to what you stated earlier. Do you think and this goes for men and women but for what you stated above do you think that those women changed because they saw the error of their ways or are they changing because they've exhausted all of options and whatever option is left available they have no choice but to evolve and adapt. So if they would still have men chasing them the way that they were in their '20s, and if they still have the same body that they had when they were in their '20s but now they're 35 or 40 do you think they would still behave the same way they did in their twenties?

[@Issey_B_Devo]

@@Nightcall411 🥂 Love the healthy discourse.

[@shanebaksh6671]

its not the humanity of a man that most women are after, more so the tangible and physical benefits of his labor that truly makes hime worthy in the eyes of the modern woman.

[@davidlouis1298]

Don’t waste your time telling women your feelings. Most women will take that info and beat you down with it at your worst.

[@dicerevo]

It’s just not worth the risk

[@dutchy213]

100% truth. Keep it to ya self. Trust Me

[@fiasc0b0x]

You're with the wrong people then

[@TheMightyWalk]

Stop dealing with them from a stance of weakness. Stop caring . Stop platforming them and move on.

[@DizzyDDaRealist]

Empathy follows respect... Respect is lost. Men are utility

[@novocaine223]

For a man is all about being stoic managing and controlling you emotions. Understand why you feel this way. Voice how you feel to a women but don’t cry to them. Take your tears to God and the wilderness. I cry more as I got older with age, just understand more I guess.

[@sillk44georgia18]

Cheesecake date controversy was a healthy guy, look how he was treated.

[@djangomarine6658]

I wouldn't call him a healthy guy. He was way too nice. He waited outside for an hour while she got ready... Showing her that he had no self respect. If he had bounced after 15 minutes, he could've avoided all of that, and she would've respected him more.

[@ifeawosika966]

Do not be vulnerable to women. They say they want it but then they will leave shortly after you do open up. Stay strong. You can open up to your friends. Don't do it to your woman.

[@BlackJacketJones]

I’m terrified of a female president who believes in astrology.

[@toysrus701]

This was great.

[@gabennanson5691]

We really need to applaud this group of woman for being able to listen, understand, process & respond to the questions. Not all woman know how to do that. Cause damn the answers be hittin

[@Ceeboyforlife]

How you apologize irrespective of that person’s feelings for yourself? Apologize because you are sincerely apologetic, only narcissist apologize for their own gratitude. You should care about that person’s feelings when apologizing, but she said she didn’t because it’s not about that person. It was for her. She has growing to do still. Selflessness is the key word here.

[@user-5-v2eMJA]

I’m 16, these people look young, but they spitting game like OGs. I do respect my olders a lot more now

[@thebuffetpodcast]

Love these table talks

[@sosamadness1880]

I love this topic thank you.

[@truftelar2580]

These are monsters... how does an unaccepted apology to your victim still frees you from your wrong doing because it makes you feel better about yourself? This is not delusion. It is a psychosis!!!!

[@Angryegaroq]

It’s because she forgave herself by learning. Self awareness doesn’t fix it but she won’t take that into her next relationship.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

Makes it make sense.

[@truftelar2580]

@@Angryegaroq Who cares what she takes into her next relationship. The focus should be on her victim!!! How about she put in a better effort and get forgiveness from the agrieved party, before she ups and forgives herself for something she was not the victim of!

[@truftelar2580]

@@Angryegaroq You co-signing the insanity!

[@Angryegaroq]

@@truftelar2580 yeah I understand that. Not pardoning her at all. Just explaining how acknowledgment and repentance can mane someone feel better despite not receiving forgiveness.

[@Nightcall411]

I think the problem is and again I think that this is a great conversation, but I think the problem is is that women can only straighten correct women and men can only straighten and correct men and the problem is that both sides see that other men or other women are thinking and doing these things but they don't say anything and remain quiet. 9:34 min The woman stated that the other woman in the story she was saying talked about how the man was from jail he shouldn't be crying and she said now that's what's wrong with us. She has a point but she never corrected her, she never tried to explain and talk to her to say that the way that she's thinking is incorrect. That's kind of where the problem is is that people are seeing wrong, people can identify wrong but yet no one is trying to fix it or corrected.

[@evos469]

Women can't even straighten out women. Lesbian divorce rate, DV and grape rate verifies that.

[@ohunna239]

Facts

[@CableGod2333]

Man this topic hits home. I literally just said this exact thing. I'm a human being with feelings

[@Nightcall411]

I've always said and please anyone chime in, but I've always said women are about security. Now security can mean financial security, physical security (like protection), being reliable... Etc. Whereas men are visual creatures, so they are drawn to physical attraction the beauty of a woman, the sex appeal of a woman, and oftentimes that man may have a standard for their partner and vice versa for when it comes to security. Now having standards and requirements for your partner is fine That's not the issue The issue is when you try to guilt and shame the other person because you can't meet or live up to their requirements of standards.

[@Nightcall411]

@JNeace-uk8ue hey I'm sorry to hear that your having issues writing and posting your thoughts. If your able to find a work around or perhaps spacing your thoughts into paragraph (don't think that'll help but worked for me once), I'd like to hear your thoughts/ opinion on the topic/ comment I wrote.

[@Nightcall411]

@JNeace-uk8ue I'm really sorry to hear about that, I'll be honest with you lately what I've had to do because I've experienced the same situation is right before I click Send I've usually right click and copy just because it's becoming more and more of an occurring thing even if your speech wasn't hateful or discriminatory the algorithm is reading it as such.

[@Nightcall411]

@JNeace-uk8ue I know exactly what you mean.

[@Nightcall411]

@JNeace-uk8ue please don't get me wrong, you are correct there are other factors besides attraction that comes into play when your wanting a mate/ partner, but the 1st and basic thing is physical attraction for men. Without that your not going to stick around very long to see the other stuff you mentioned.

[@Nightcall411]

@JNeace-uk8ue "Physicality being only one aspect of that" you are correct there is several other factors buy physicality for a man is the 1st without that a man would never see or reach the other "aspects". Like a car you need an "engine" physicality is the engine, without the engine all the other features/ parts of the car is 2nd and irrelevant if you don't have an engine.

[@J03LM1]

The more i watch this type of content the more aware i become of women's infatuation with and desire to Know a mans vulnerabilities. Theyre so eager to know a mans weaknesses, his traumas, his vulnerabilities, etc. i may be paranoid but sometimes it seems like a power play. Why not focus on his strength, intelligence, his ideas, his honor, his value, his RESPECT??? etc. Focus on these things first. Know where he's going first then when you know his weaknesses then you can see where you can help as a woman. If a woman only focuses on a mans weakness alone what is she planning on doing with that information? Why not be useful and know and respect his direction first (assuming he has one)?

[@ebonthomas7912]

Yeah that's what the devil does.

[@Koyasi78]

Remember this. Black women were not brought over as slaves. Black men were. Black women, initially, were brought over strictly as concubines for yt.

[@TheWholeWorld1]

Most (damn near all) women are simply NOT BUILT to handle Men’s emotions and feelings. They’re just NOT! They can spit that BS on how you should “open up”, but (again) MOST will find that undesirable. Find a pack of good homies, family members and a THERAPIST to confide in.. it will save you a lot of heartache and probably could save your life. ✌🏾

[@ebonthomas7912]

But we're supposed to handle theirs there has to be a reciprocation. Men aren't here to bow down to women. Like they like to think

[@krazyking72]

I didn't hear an answer to his question that sounded thought out. After that there was more derailing

[@charleslewis6083]

I love conversation like this special between our peoples

[@flatout1017]

Can you do a video on that YADA conversation. Traditional man vs 50/50 man?

[@wesman3000]

It’s too late.

[@Nightcall411]

@WeNeedToTalk I'm a big fan of support of your content, I believe you're one of the few platforms on social media that tries to remain neutral by both educating and helping both genders without creating a negative space where there's bickering and fighting and pointing of the blame. I really enjoyed the content that you made today Great job and keep up the work.

[@louville314]

He is def not neutral. In this current climate it's not evn possible to b neutral or balanced bc the pendulum is swung so far away from the center. There are sum uncomfortable truths and behaviors that women have to acknowledge and agree to changing before we can evn begin getting bak to the center. That said, what he is is fair, understanding, and compassionate of the other sides position. It is essentially what it should be, black women we love you, and we support you, but it's time to come bak to the table and align w us in ur natural position and embrace your feminity.

[@Nightcall411]

@@louville314I can agree with you to a point, because like you mentioned the state of women (black women) a part of their state is the result of men not being men. So I'm not saying men are to blame totally for how women are today (multiple reasons) but men play a part in why they are how they are today.

[@louville314]

@@Nightcall411 ur right. I can't/won't evn argue that point bc in the absence of manhood, woman were FORCED to pick up that slack. But do u see how u deflected the issue right back to men? That is precisely why the pendulum has shifted so much bc society at large does the same thing, they will shift the focus right back to men without any real pressure on women to make meaningful/lasting change. But respectfully, I get it, it's both awkward n uncomfortable to hold women accountable wo feeling like ur being unfair bc we feel like we're being harsh and many of us come from matriarchal families. It's... unnatural. But the onus to change MUST, come from and be by women bc they are the furthest out of their natural order and also have the MOST to lose. We as a people hav sum really tough decisions to make.

[@Nightcall411]

@@louville314 your absolutely correct I have a saying I think you'd support and maybe even agree with. All Men are generalized, All women are the exception.

[@louville314]

@@Nightcall411 I think that hits the nail on the head perfectly... I sit back and watch this theme play out in so many ways and it truly breaks my heart bc were moving further and further away from one another.

[@desislade1878]

Facts society has a lot to do with the way a man is today

[@Nightcall411]

8:01 I do agree with a lot of what she says but also she has to realize is that that image that women have about men particularly their partner oftentimes the image comes with them not being emotionally vulnerable. So if that male partner happens to come to her to tell her about his day, or to cry, or to say that he's scared or afraid of a situation that may be going through in short that would be a turn off for her. Now I'm not saying every woman is this way but more than most would get turned off if the role and expectation of their male partner if that partner doesn't live up to it of being strong and being a robot. So if a man is too emotional like how you've heard women say in the past he's too nice oftentimes it's a turn off because that guy isn't living up to the expectations that they have for a man let alone their male counterpart. 8:38 The gentleman speaking is exactly what I was talking about above, if you have a male partner husband or boyfriend and you look at him like this strong figure think of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Conan or He-Man and all of a sudden he starts talking about his feelings, starts crying, or even start saying how he scared and afraid she's going to get turned off because he's not living up to the expectation of the male role that she is needed and expected to see in her male counterpart. So in a way you're being set up for failure you lose either our. Either you remain a robot and bury your emotions and she treats you any way that she feels or you expose your emotions and she gets so overwhelmed to taking back by you actually have feelings that she becomes turned off by you because like they stated earlier I never expected a man to have feelings that's not what I was raised brought up or shown.

[@joannamonique707]

Let me ask you something? Who decided that men weren't supposed to show emotion? Who decided that masculinity meant not having feelings? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't women. Y'all wanted to be superheroes so you created a superhero standard and applied it to YOURSELVES and now you are mad that your expected to live up to a ridiculous expectation that MEN created and somehow, yet again, it's women's fault 🤦🏾‍♀️ y'all will demonize other men all day long for being emotional. Y'all are the ones who told women that reap men don't cry. And now your confused as to why women don't like men who cry. Because men who cry aren't real men ACCORDING TO MEN 👌🏾

[@djangomarine6658]

Or, option C... Do whatever the heck you want to do and let the chips fall where they may because, unless she's a unicorn, her presence is just a liability anyway.

[@Nightcall411]

@@djangomarine6658 you are correct, can a man be a liability for a woman in the same manner as a woman can be for a man?

[@RebellWiithPze]

Still too many women in that space especially when talking about Black men's issues.

[@cortneyrogers8066]

I understand that it sounds crazy in its deivery, but people are to hung up on her apology. She tried to contact him and he ignored her. She probably diserved to be ignored and thats okay. But should she hold on to guilt for what she did in this relationship forever because the person didnt accept her apology or should she move on after her attempt to make it right?

[@keraatkins7833]

Agreed

[@they.m.o.podcast9974]

It’s not about holding onto guilt but more so acknowledging what you did wrong and WHY that person felt the need to ignore the apology. And then also learning from it. What the explanation of her apology displays is a narcissistic attitude, seemingly. At least that’s what people are pointing out. Also, that an apology isn’t for the person doing the apology, but to restore the person that harm was done to. No, you can’t make someone accept it. But the reasoning she gave can be scrutinized or analyzed without making her focus of disrespect or ire.

[@PrettyLifeQueensKing]

Problem is she said I said it on my head and not to the woman to make her understand.they don’t correct each other.

[@nikkolomakaveli8295]

This interview really upset me these are grown women who literally speak to men as if we’re less than human. This is what we’re viewed as by majority of women and these are women in the “auntie” age group mid to late 30’s and they S T I L L haven’t learned anything in that time frame.

[@Incognitoblue]

"I apologized, for me." You shouldn't even take their apologies seriously, because it's not because they really feel remorseful that they are apologizing.

[@njoyarosengreen1196]

If You say: This is too far.Do not go there. Mw are going there .Tgen going way past there bc all they thinking is Idgaf and I can fix everything.Reset.With an apology. No.Not at all. That is why you were told do not go there. Now you can't. That is why it is a boundary. You can't scrub that line with your foot and draw it back for someone wherever you want. Get out.

[@clubmbrsonlytv]

Echo chamber lol they really just piggy backed off each other

[@joannamonique707]

Men: Men dont cry and arent emotional. Were not weak like women. Also men: Why are women so insenstive to my feelings? Cant make this shit up.

[@keraatkins7833]

It’s almost like men have stuck living a stereotype for ages

[@djangomarine6658]

Not being emotional doesn't mean that you don't have feelings. It means you're not ruled by you're emotions, not that you don't have any.

[@dcthebeatlord2732]

Men don’t do the same thing. We compartmentalize where as women blend theirs together.

[@justinkiarie9857]

Men please don't not cry the best form of release for a man is painful comedy.Laugh you pain away because good comedy is centered in truth.Once you start crying you become comfortable with with the situation and being vulnerable.Men should become truthful comedians.

[@ebonthomas7912]

Women go out of their way to show us they dont care why should we.

[@tamarahesi]

Speak Queens 👑💯

[@Koyasi78]

Delusional.

[@PainoftheAncestors]

These women are polite monsters.

[@bruceleeds7988]

I think she is talking about Ashanti buying Nelly a car. I dunno if Nelly been prison but her point stands.

[@Xencel]

Just watching the first two mins those women sounded like they were listening to respond initially, which personally makes it hard for me to further explain myself in person to women who try to respond immediately in that fashion, because It feels like she's only focused on her thought process and internal monologue. But im happy I didn't tune out so far I can see they aretrying to be introspective. Also every time they deflect or laugh at the response to actual facts is annoying. How the discussion about nice guys who got fed useless propaganda and generally tripped in the race of life and she wanna turn it into well the guys who did get play dont respect us.. Miss?? He has no incentive to, you gave him whatever he wanted most of his life. We are talking about the dudes YOU ignored. Not the ones who didn't appraise you well. Lowkey thats why some of those convos are a waste of effort. Her feelings are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS placed above yours in this community and its damn near peer pressured to be enforced. Your son knows before they start school that the daughter is favored more than him or even 2 of him, and by the time they are halfway through school they'll meet a baby non black feminist in school who tells them about imaginary patriarchy and now they feel guilt and being intellectually cornered. Becoming a doormat for all women, but its not gonna be an issue until the non black woman is running him like a dog. But ideally the average black woman wants black men to be their dog FOR THEM. Which is why I think its better to just start drilling to men its best to be selfish, focus on being selfless after starting a family, which we already know most of us wont. Being selfless before that is just setting yourself up for natural selection. Crying to women about it just makes you feel worse, find another way to validate yourself, completely outside of women or another person in general really.

[@tamarahesi]

It’s hard for some Women to empathize with men, because for most women, men were absent, and those that were present were usually applying some sort of abuse be it physical to Mom or sexual to child. So for a lot of young girls that turn into Women a perspective was developed that you must protect Yourself from Men. Some Women find it hard to believe that men experienced just as much abuse and trauma as we do … if not more.

[@888thawk]

You say "some women" and "most women" in the very same sentence. Pick a narrative.

[@Koyasi78]

​​@@888thawkthe narrative is clear. Men are the problem. NEVER listen to the first words from a black woman's mouth. It's sweet. Keep listening and all that sweetness gets revoked and their true thoughts are expressed. She just told you all the problems of broken women are someone else's fault. Never an ounce of accountability.

[@LngLvdKing]

That video was ended at a very critical point.. Now think deeply about what she just said. I sure hope women do.

[@bluecheckmiya]

Nothing against the sister because she was being honest... But that was disturbing how casually she said to her a man was an accessory and a toy to play with and inherently... Meaning she could discard whenever she got bored.

[@dixbowman3452]

Exactly. But use her as a toy? and hear the how could you do that thats evil etc etc. Hypocrites.

[@SketcherXTV]

They never grew out of that "eewww boys" stage.

[@Jacfrost40]

Healthy men r only glorified after a woman has be ran through... it's never when she was the best looking.. Empathize with them at the beginning so we can bring bac a healthy community

[@moyomitchell4973]

“A healthy man is everything to me…nowadays…” What is the underlying message here?

[@Tyran_Thompson]

Unfortunately as well most women use their man's vulnerability as ammunition and that's why most men are forced to protect themselves from the woman they're in a relationship with

[@conscientiousobserver7444]

Lord ladies please chill with the sound affects…..

[@triplezeroxz5875]

Present

[@BSF20]

This whole show is the women in trying to hopefully land a dude watching the show

[@JustJeff777]

No man stops talking to you for no reason

[@maddcapper4548]

Self hatred talking about self hatred

[@desislade1878]

Not easy being a black man family and not in America

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

I get a headache, watching this video.

[@smartmouthriveria]

…..porky ????

[@KennyPeeples]

Abw don't deserve bm just leave us alone. Sit in the corner and think about your actions and consequences dismayed and mistreated your closest alliance that you once had and you made your bed and lay in it.

[@tootriv211]

This is not worth the time spent.

[@thecollector6746]

"Y'all men do the same thing"

[@tabbypanda82]

Men really need to go seek therapy, PROFESSIONAL THERAPY 🚶🏾‍♀️…..survival of the fittest, LIVE OR DIE

[@Koyasi78]

Women really really really need to stay in therapy from youth to death. At this point it should be mandatory. Because every broken black man is the product of a single mother whose chose fucking over God.

[@dontaskme5526]

I’m so tired of our “Adult Women” acting brand new when it comes to US

[@r-ex2945]

Its funny seeing they raised us...

[@dontaskme5526]

I thank my dad often for raising me and my siblings

[@rodmandrake2101]

this generation is always finding ways to excuse their bad behaviors. no one wnats to take accountability for their actions they want to put it off on childhood trauma or mental illness. this generation has it easier than any other generation yet has the most excuses for making bad decisions. you made bad decisions but instead of dealing with the consequences find excuses so you wont have to deal with the full consequences.

[@BobbiRaye1]

I still think ”a/the conversation” is a waste of time because we're now at the point where hostility is too rampant. Each side wants so badly to win the argument of who is the "real problem" and who is the "real victim," all while men refuse to see their part, blame regret and a wall for women seeing their part, and calling other men pandering simps for humanizing women. & the argument is repeated about welfare destroying the Black family, that has nothing on the gender war. Because I for one don't even want reconciliation. & not because I hate Black men. I just don't see them the same way as I used to, which I feel they feel the same about Black women. If I'm to use how they show up in this gender war, that is. Black men aren't even welcoming to women siding with them. They find faults and "a wall." It is absolutely pointless to even consider reconciliation. "understanding" or whatever you want to call it. Say it started with welfare all you want, but that plan has hit its peak. The hostility disdain, and disrespect is normalized and expected now. That's what and who I see now.

[@Isaiah_Dumars_Show]

Watch the whole show, this is only a clip. I’m tired of women talking about what black men do when women failed on checking each other. Don’t check men, we doing a good job checking each other.

[@Isaiah_Dumars_Show]

When women says “both sides” they are trying to avoid accountability on their side. Another “sign” language they use 😂

[@Koyasi78]

Damn you hella broken and hateful.