Women don't want equal relationships

[@WhatIveLearned]

Full Interview with Orion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2WXlWmJhpibgZI

[@TheKonkehagia]

I feel super sorry about you.....

[@TokyoRights]

I'm all for the topic, but this guy is off the mark with his broad generalizations. Litteraly everyone I know matched through personality and none of these power dynamics crap. The only ttue thing is nobody wants a simp pushover, wether it be a patner or a friend, thats pretty obvious...

[@billusher2265]

Interview Leonard Sax

[@billusher2265]

@@TokyoRights then why are women more likely to date men who have higher educational attainment or income then them?

[@restingsmirkface]

@@billusher2265 Because your "personality" to *others* is the sum of all your traits to *others* and your personality to *yourself* is never actually seen by others and is irrelevant to relationship selection. If you are attractive, then you've matched on "personality", but only the "personality" others can see - not your internal interpretation of yourself. "Personality" is just an aggregate for what is known about you - and that can be a very different knowledge for others looking toward you than for you looking inward.

[@stephanaugust1101]

According to data scientists women want billionaire werewolf pirates who are also doctors

[@lohphat]

And men want librarians who are also strippers.

[@shogunofharlem8240]

They actuallt want the billionaire werewolves to fight the pirate doctors over them.

[@nightingale1540]

You forgot the vampires

[@stephanaugust1101]

@@nightingale1540 Ah yes, I knew I forgot something!

[@WhatIveLearned]

Never skip lycanthrope day

[@bluefish537]

The truth is that most people don't know what they want. They go for whatever their social groups say is attractive or what is socially acceptable.

[@TJ-ml8tt]

The term "what the hell do you see in him," begs to differ.

[@White-Goodman]

no I one hundred percent want a big titty goth mommy who isn't fat. Nobody told me to want this, but I yearn for it from the depths of my soul.

[@hellowill]

True. Most people live life in general according to what society wants. Then they wonder why they're never happy or satisfied. They were too much of a pussy to do what THEY wanted.

[@LoweryAustin]

​@@TJ-ml8tt I wonder if you're being ironic intentionally or if you're really lacking that much self awareness. Lol

[@ebadd3468]

Mostly women

[@chdao]

He basically said, "Don't be a simp."

[@flashpeter91]

that sums it up pretty much 😂 no mindblowing revelations there...

[@josiek7589]

depends on how you define “simp”

[@schuylergeery-zink1923]

My husband and I are each others’ biggest simps 😘

[@Peaches-i2i]

@@schuylergeery-zink1923 If you're both getting pretty equal benefits out of it then it's not simping where it would be one party giving a lot for little or no return.

[@zoinksscoob6523]

​@@schuylergeery-zink1923 That's not simping that's just having a loving relationship

[@Operations1000]

Bro woke up and said I want all the smoke 🗿

[@user-ge5oe9oo2k]

what a chad haha

[@JohnDoe-eo8gi]

Be careful taking relationship advice from people who don’t have successful long term relationships

[@marguskiis7711]

Exactly

[@AgelessPhoton]

What do people in long standing relationships advise?

[@xANTHQNY]

@@AgelessPhoton "just be yourself bro" because they never really thought about what they were doing and coincidentally used winning strategies

[@en2336]

@@AgelessPhoton look up gottman and you'll know.

[@Alexandra-uk4vr]

​@@AgelessPhotonAuthenticity is essential for genuine human connection, and genuine connection is what it's all about. There is no bigger meaning, so simply be genuine. Trickery and deception won't get you closer to true love and purpose. Furthermore, think twice before you take claims by people using terms such as "the sexual marketplace" seriously.

[@suericata]

A partner should make one's life better/easier. It should benefit both sides. That's the main goal of a partnership, any gender.

[@ExplorewithSarahlouise]

Yeah I really like that

[@masterost1994]

The main goal of a "partnership" between a man and a woman is the creation of a family.

[@Pedant_Patrol]

Some people don't view marriage as a partnership.

[@ExplorewithSarahlouise]

@@masterost1994 so people over 50 should always be single and divorce then?

[@justchilling704]

Very true.

[@soonny002]

I'm a psychiatrist, and I see many unhappy couples in my clinic. I'll go ahead and say that men and women (BOTH) want equal relationships, but only in terms of what value their partners can add to their lives. That's why they get together more easily in college: Both are young, poor, and naive and staying together at that time adds much value to their lives. However, we all develop taste in people as we age, and some of the most unhappy couples I know are just a mismatch in taste. They liked the taste of each other in college but hated each other after moving in together. It becomes much more challenging to justify being together as we age because we add relatively less value to the relationship than when we were young. All this talk about 'high value' men and women is applicable on a population level, but it doesn't matter on an individual level. Ultimately, it usually just boils down to personal tastes and preferences. Some women like men who aren't emotionally expressive, and likewise, some men like women who are emotionally reactive. It depends on what they feel they are most familiar with. EDIT: Some people are very triggered by this for some reason? I said people 'add less value to our lives as we age', but not that we 'value relationships less as we age'. There's a difference. This explains why we hate partying as we age but rather spend time with close friends and family. We become pickier with the people around us. Unfortunately for some, being pickier can sometimes exclude their partners, especially if there's a mismatch in taste because they have grown apart over the years. Studies have suggested that single people can be happier than married people too (just ask Google), especially women. Men benefit from marriage more than women, and women initiate 70% of all divorces. Many women don't leave unhappy marriages because of money (and sometimes violence); at least, that's what I hear in my clinic. Please read my comments carefully before you bring your family anecdotes and demand 'data'. I've seen hundreds of couples in the past decade, and the data is easy to find on Google.

[@danny3640]

What you said about unhappy couples and developing different taste in people as we get older is very insightful, however I think your conclusion on personal taste strays off the mark. In general, if I am a man who wants to attract as much women as possible, or any for that matter (lol) I should optimize these so called "high values" simply because it's a numbers game to increase the poll of women to choose from. I will have more access to women if my income is higher or if I'm taller or if I'm successful, that doesn't mean that every woman that finds these qualities attractive will connect with me on an emotional level but at least they'd give me the time of day to actually explore the possibility.

[@offensivearch]

Interesting that all the unhappy couples in your clinic want equal relationships. The happiest and most functional couples I've seen don't think about equality or inequality. The happy relationships tend to be traditional, so maybe that's why.

[@marguskiis7711]

Living together is a difficult format anyway.

[@marguskiis7711]

​@@danny3640 you sounds exactly like some teenager boy. Funny.

[@marguskiis7711]

​@@offensivearch the "traditional" couples pretend to be happy bc the pretending and constant theatre is a part of tradition.

[@beefbelly]

what a spicy title

[@WhatIveLearned]

🌶

[@ghostgate82]

*accurate title

[@hanswoast7]

It's called hypergamy.

[@bicmitchum1368]

Bro got dumped for being to nice

[@rishel8738]

@@ghostgate82*biased title

[@gabrielplese7516]

Bro actually uploaded

[@Seventhkeyblade]

Yea give us more please 😅

[@neolithictransitrevolution427]

And more than a link to stack exchange!

[@dimitristill]

would never have expected this channel to go in this direction

[@kaydenl6836]

It’s sad. I remember distinctly that he advocated for protection against an unfree internet, because an unfree internet would harm pro-choice advocacy. He used to be better about thsib

[@CandorHispanus]

What does free Internet have to do with anything? Smh

[@tadiwa2k11]

if you go out looking for relationship with a mindset borrowed from other peoples experience and choose to not be your authentic self you're setting yourself up for failure already.

[@sor3999]

Attractive people get to just "be themselves". Like how rich people say money isn't everything.

[@ricardozk]

Dating advice is really complicated. That's all I can say. 😂

[@Gabingus69]

Channel is in the process of being red pilled lol

[@AkiRa22084]

Always has been.

[@lunamartinezzz]

that’s exactly what i thought lol

[@astreakaito5625]

Literally always has been. Or in other words, just the cold hard truth..

[@theloneliestloveliesttime]

​@@astreakaito5625 Truth for 14 year old boys and single, bitter 40 year old men.

[@theloneliestloveliesttime]

@@UnKnownv5 You gonna go cry to your mommy about it?

[@JackPitmanNica]

Something interesting about the West is that we make it seem like everything is our decision. But thats not entirely accurate. Plenty of relationships form out of coincidence, convenience, or experiencing intense life events together, which forms long-term bonds. We like to act like men and women go to some marketplace, pick their ideal looking mate, and then go date them. That isnt at all how it works in the real world. Most relationships are things of convenience and have little to do with either person picking the other out of a selection of options

[@alexforce9]

Only if you live in a small town. Or are ugly. If you live in a big city chances are - you get male attention everywhere all the time. Add to the mix that dating apps exist and women have almost endless options.

[@0Spiritus0]

I really like this answer. I really really like this answer. It makes so much sense.

[@MrMadalien]

Yep, true. although we're led to believe in this so called marketplace thanks to social media and dating apps. Everything that can be conceptualized, will be commodified. Nuance and 'going outside/touching grass" is the solution.

[@sor3999]

With dating apps, it is now.

[@joshy2joshy]

The ironic part of this video is by trying to not give women what you think they want, you are still focusing on what they want. What about you? What do you want? Do you just want a woman by being you or by not being you? Is being with a woman worth sacrificing your authenticity for? Is she being authentic too?

[@jasonfanclub4267]

Valid questions to look out for

[@MrMadalien]

Yeah, I mean, it's just entertainment. KZbin community is recently capitalizing on the mating "crisis", most men are not getting laid, so it's fun to watch these kinds of videos and pontificate about it. The truth though is that each individual will need to find their own way.

[@joshy2joshy]

@@MrMadalien Mental illness seems to go completely under the radar when discussing this red pill non-sense. Some of the ideas are kind of an immature and skewed interpretation of what reality is. It bends the truth and leaves little room for nuance. It's at best; a steeping stone towards personal growth, with many hurdles yet to overcome. Eventually, hopefully, most will achieve a relatively much more mature perspective with enough contemplation and introspection. Unfortunately, most get stuck at this and accept these statements as reality for comfort. The unconscious undertones of the red pill message holds bitterness, resentment, entitlement and a lack of empathy for oneself and others that are exposed to it.

[@drjp4212]

Sorry, bro, but your authenticity has no value if it upsets people around..."authentic" people tend to be more selfish, less flexible and less agreeable, so it tends to be a pain in the @ss to deal with them.

[@en2336]

@@drjp4212 in that case those people deserve to be hated or find someone as selfish as them. I fail to see the loss here

[@jqyhlmnp]

In conclusion: don’t select for quantum mechanic women

[@AdrienMelody]

I’ve always wanted a woman who can calibrate my particle accelerator for me

[@revisehellenologo]

Also its hard to find anyone interested in quantum mechanic enough to have a conversation about it. I have only ever found one person who wanted to talk about it in depth and he was more the conspiracy theorists side than the maths side of the discussion. My boyfriend will at least try & listen to my nerd rants even if he ends up zoning out. 😂

[@robotparadise]

Neutrinos always gets the chicks! "shakes fist in the air"

[@rocketmangenesis]

What is a quantum mechanic woman?

[@BaiMengLing]

if you don't want a masculine woman who can read a map, is financially savvy, enjoy alone time (so you can have it too) and loves sex, well do not complain about not getting it :p

[@TheMannableMister]

Approaching relationships as a matter of weighing up costs, benefits, and social currency is a fantastic way to make dating and connecting with others a miserable experience, you'll rarely ever see women in the real world thinking like this.

[@FromProfessor]

But the world works like this......!!! You want to live in this world.....!!! Am I right.....???

[@peramenehera7054]

THIS^^^ found my man when we were both at our financial lowest, and helped eachother when we could, and he is the best definition of "man" i can think of. Kind, communicative, intelligent, thoughtful. His wallet isnt whats in my heart. These people seem so miserable

[@joshlibrawood6779]

Woman have the privilege of not needing to think like this.

[@EyupSkydiver]

They often think like this. That’s their default way of thinking.

[@FromProfessor]

@@joshlibrawood6779 That's why Wiseman advise that .... being a woman is difficult.... because it's difficult to survive without a brain...!!!

[@melaniereilly3407]

Another way of being equal is to have compatible desires. A man that wants to be in the driver’s seat and a woman that wants to be in the passenger’s seat are equal. The leading role and the supportive role. They each have their own role and they put in the same amount of effort. They are a team.

[@ummadam9608]

Great point!

[@RockStock6]

Cause it takes ALOT of effort to sit in the passenger seat.... Just becuase both sides are getting what they want doesnt make it inherently equal

[@Selrisitai]

@@RockStock6 It's not a perfect analogy. Don't pretend that a woman's role takes no effort. In my opinion, the issue here is that the assumption is that the man's role is easy (he's basically the king! He can do whatever he wants!) and the woman's is difficult (she's basically a peasant, a slave, working the land for the fat lord!). This breeds the kind of animosity and bitterness that makes men say things like, "'Cause it takes a LOT of effort to sit in the passenger seat." In reality, being the leader is no walk in the park, and supporting that leader-even, at times, against your own pride and immediate self-interest-is also difficult. But you both do it anyway because that's the only way any of this works.

[@bellbottom3202]

Get out of the car. I want navigator. No passenger required unless you are paying for the services. This isn’t uber until you pay.

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

Well said, Melanie!! ❤

[@kludgedude]

Can’t negotiate attraction

[@deadmau5remizzer346]

This. And people are not attracted to others for "rational" reasons

[@obscureorca]

I think the negotiations in attraction are implicit not explicit. Most of the time even unconscious. It is not rational. It simply happens without you even knowing and if you dont believe in it, it doesnt make any difference.

[@etomike_56]

@@deadmau5remizzer346 Then what do you call political marriages, or alliances between people who seek that relationship for power and other reasons unrelated to love

[@deadmau5remizzer346]

@etomike_56 Are you, personally, a politician, celebrity, or otherwise a powerful figure? Then you need to look towards advice that applies to you

[@TomFranklinX]

@@etomike_56 You can negotiate marriage but not attraction.

[@curtisgeist6122]

I’m just here for the comments

[@jamescheaye927]

Same 😂

[@carlosmourgues7884]

I support you!

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Let them wash over you. Exhilarating.

[@arroe8386]

When I saw the title I thought: Let's get into the virtue signalling orgy

[@TheSwauzz]

I can safely say that most people (in terms of relationships) have no clue what they actually want, and if they are unhappy, it's largely due to their own expectations without communication or a self-inflicted misery over something about themselves.

[@switzerland]

An to double down: if something isn't right they can't or won't address it with their partner. They may even search for help anywhere but within the relationship.

[@calistafalcontail]

Speak for yourself...

[@Blefiz]

I can safely say that me and all my male friends know exactly what they want in their relationship and what goals they have in life and how that relationship can help with that. Now, for my female friends and coworkers ....

[@navienslavement]

Lose weight

[@BuzzBoar]

You're speaking about women. Men know what they want lol

[@toastnsprinkles5091]

Watching this would make you think money and business power are the the only ways to have value as a person. Was hoping for a science based video

[@kn_halo]

Because he’s onto something

[@Monechetti]

​@@kn_halosome of the stuff is logical and some of it is decent, but the majority of this is the same whinging that every relationship door knob on the internet regurgitates

[@bonitovoyage]

@@kn_halo they're just into no sense, there is no data at all to back up what they are saying. This is just mysoginistic b^llSh*t

[@AlexMinor]

@@Monechettiit’s really not. If you watch any of Dr. Orion’s content you’ll see he’s wildly different from most of the psych types talking about relationships.

[@OneActressTeatre]

True. For the majority of people life is different. But American culture creates this image of high society people who overwhelmingly care about money and business connections. Most of the people on the planet don't care about it much.

[@abby33211]

It's so important to focus on your needs being met and finding those that are compatible. The guys that start off out of desperation, trying to change themselves to do anything for the women he's pursuing, it often feels fake and can cause issues when someone's needs aren't being met at the end of the day

[@kirstenlouwes6852]

I feel like the change in relationship when the women bears children and how that affects the responsibilities in the relationship should have been covered more to create a realistic and balanced view of WHY women want this.

[@LukaszPalkaPhoto]

Totally agree. As a man who just became a dad a few months ago I was thinking exactly this: "all that sounds logical... until you have kids."

[@RoseNocturnae]

I guess it's what happens when you invite one man to talk about what "all women want". As if there aren't enough female clinical psychologists out there to add to the conversation and make a richer debate.

[@marketingpower]

@@RoseNocturnae Letting a woman talk about relationships? Uhhh did you forget we're mostly dumb object to conqueer and use? Totally agree with the comments, sad

[@prouddegenerates9056]

⁠​⁠@@marketingpower A notable majority of marriage councilors are women. Society actively pushes women in academics and they overwhelmingly preform better, and it’s men whom are easier to use and sacrifice. Now conquer? Sorta, for their dollars and votes. The men are conquered physically, but businesses and politicians have a tighter grip on women mentality(which is why we ram psych meds down their throats).

[@hillehai]

@@RoseNocturnae The old adage of "you don't ask a fish how to catch fish, you ask a fisherman" really comes to mind here. Don't ask a woman what she wants in men; she'll tell you what she thinks "sounds right", not what she actually wants. If she even knows in the first place.

[@Roman_4x5]

Since I've learned that "attraction isn't a choice" my life has changed significantly. Don't blame a woman for her loss of interest if you don't trigger those emotional mechanisms.

[@SunshineTheLover]

i wish more people would get this. nobody can force themselves to like someone even if they tried

[@trueskyte]

5:13 I didn't expect to hear "quantum mechanics" and "esoteric spirituality" in the same sentence.

[@PanicGiraffe]

Yeah that was a pretty embarrassing thing to say. He was listing everything he thought sounded smart.

[@DeftPol]

A generation of young men have fundamentally been lied into thinking that A. Women are some sort of different species, and B. That species must be treated with kid gloves and fretted about interactions with in case you cause offence. This shouldn’t be read as being that women don’t deserve respect - just that you’re better off working yourself out and quite rightly focusing on A. What you want in a woman, and B. Being confident in what you bring to the table.

[@alexanderst.7993]

True. I'm 19 and have stayed off of social media for pretty much my whole life and i intent to continue to do so, and i find this whole thing really awkward. Like people forgot what human beings are i guess (I'm a dude too...)

[@Michael-vc2cs]

Amen

[@bluefish537]

Lmao they used Leonardo DiCaprio around the part of older men wanting younger women. The guy has become 'that guy'.

[@BaiMengLing]

Any sound woman would NEVER want to get close to that kind of predator

[@PainAmvs_]

@@BaiMengLing Your first mistake is thinking women are sound. Mood swings are common mood-related symptoms to a women's menstrual cycle. As a man who's experienced plenty woman even the nicest and smartest do questionable things or disappear suddenly then come back or don't. Clearly decisions driven by emotion.

[@TheRockerX]

@@BaiMengLing not that he'd ever want you in the first place

[@Alexandra-uk4vr]

@@PainAmvs_ Or they're simply not interested in you, hence why they "dissappear" on you. Better luck next time!

[@alepho4089]

⁠​⁠@@BaiMengLing'Predator' 😂 Why'd you have to be so lame?

[@joy7367]

the car analogy/movie poster bit is wild bc, yea of course don't centre ur life around your partner and don't try and make yourself appealing for someone to else , but that goes both ways? a man should drive his own life of course but why shouldn't a woman too? you're both living your life side by side, why should one party overtake the life of the other, or why should one have to fit into the other's life forgetting or giving up their own?

[@peacefulsoul8612]

exactly. the blatant assumption that the opposite of that statement is true; as in women should be a complimentary accessory to the man's life and curate their own lives to fit his is just wild.

[@joy7367]

right bc like, in the analogy the 'car' represents ur life right? it can't represent the relationship, because the guy can't build that on his own and have someone hop in and out. so surely a woman would drive her own car too...

[@Neverwas]

The video assumes that men have leading roles in relationships. The assumption is that there's no equality in a relationship, men are leaders and women are supporters, they are equal legally, but they are not equal in a relationship, where they have different roles. It's not about curating your own life, it's about identifying a specific role in a relationship - there's a driver, and there's a co-pilot.

[@joy7367]

@@Neverwas relationships are when 2 people come together. if one person takes complete control, that's not a relationship, that's just absorbing the other into your life. if one person is the one to decide everything, that's a dictatorship. (idk if u were defending the video's point or explaining it without agreeing.) the video starts off saying equality doesn't mean 'sameness', explaining you shouldn't try to be the same in order to be equal. and then it completely forgets the initial premise and says 'since you shouldn't try and be the same, you won't be equal'. what happened to equal ≠ same?? partners will complement each other, and find their roles in a relationship, but they can be equal nonetheless. the roles can be fluid, depending on the situation one or the other can assume more responsibility, and i don't see why it should be tied to gender roles.

[@Neverwas]

@@joy7367 I completely agree with you. I find the video interesting assuming a generalization of “standard” roles, but when it comes to reality, there are no standard roles anymore, and so today equality is all about finding a fit in those fluid roles. It’s very hard to be honest, it’s easier to play a role that stems from culture and society rather than building 2 entirely different roles from scratch. It’s a long process that takes years, and in a fast paced environment dominated by dating apps and “I can’t waste time on this, there are more urgent matters atm” situations…hell, being together is hella hard. Fighting biases should be at the core of any relationship, yet both men and women have a really hard time letting them go, especially when those biases are bound to emotional feelings. We have to learn to value and love different things, and we have to understand that relationships are built together, it’s not a game of expectations (eg “since I’m an independent woman, I expect you to treat me like this/since I’m the man of the house, I expect you to behave like that”

[@LucasTigy2]

on the topic of communication, i feel like it's just another "skill" that is important to learn. you're going to fumble around a lot with it, especially when you are nervous around someone new, but it is something you can improve with practice. funny enough, i've been going to therapy for a few years now for a few personal reasons, and it has very much helped me become a better conversationalist just by talking things through with the therapist. i'm sure other methods of conversation with other people that aren't therapists can help but it has been nice to kinda talk through various aspects of my life and the world around me with someone just so i can get more comfortable speaking as a whole.

[@videochemist]

Anyone giving relationship advice should always preface by stating how many years they have been in a happy marriage. As a rule, I don't take relationship advice from anyone who hasn't been happily married for longer than I have, for the same reason I don't take financial advice from homeless people.

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

Nor should anyone ever take advince on how to be a man from a woman.

[@sudarshanjs7988]

Would you only get cancer treatment from a cancer survivor?

[@bloodcarnage8285]

every indian man is happily married knowing nothing about relationship. married ppl just cope rather than get what they want

[@Awaken_To_0]

​@@hotarubinariko I dunno. I mean the people who mostly are romantically or sexually successful with women are...well men. It's not either or. Most women have no idea what it's like to pursue or date women. Most men don't have an idea of a woman's I need experience, and visa versa. Both sides are important to understand.

[@videochemist]

@@sudarshanjs7988 No, I would get cancer treatment from an oncologist. And if I had a choice, I would choose a doctor with a long track record of successfully curing cancer over a doctor fresh out of med school. The only reason I am responding to you is because your comment is so ridiculous it made me laugh.

[@ellasmella3970]

Something that has really bugged me here the whole time watching this is that not once do you ever ask WHY a woman “doesn’t want 50/50“ because really women DO, but just not in the way I think is understood. Because the thing is, to be a woman, is to have this added extra pressure your whole life to work the home, to look after the children and look after the space. It takes a huge amount of extra initiative that can only come from the man’s side to overcome this, so in order to offset this extra burden a woman has to undertake, that is why a man needs to be more wealthy, to have a better job. Because for any woman who wants to have children, they are ultimately going to have to sacrifice their own career in order to raise children. This can be, and is occasionally subverted, I know of a few couples in my life where the opposite has worked, but it is just biologically and socially so much harder for a woman to work and the man to take care of the home, even today. So yeah. Your points are very valid but there is a lot of lack of empathy for the point of view of the woman, yes, it sounds like we are lying and messing it up intentionally. But the life of a woman is hidden, and universally across the board men do not acknowledge the unpaid work women do every single day.

[@bloodcarnage8285]

i think initial meets and datijng apps are instinctual based on options. What you are saying is kinda true too in long term relationship . But in my observation, in long term relationship, women date down compared to short term relationship.

[@LyaksandraB]

"The life of a woman is hidden." Oh boy. Really. Since you seem at least open to facts that go against your beliefs, please go learn about all the crap men do that goes unnoticed. Here's just one tidbit. Do people, both men and women appreciate sanitation workers? No. Do you even begin to understand how important just garbage collection is? Let's not even go into sewage systems.

[@theloneliestloveliesttime]

acknowledging all of the work women do in relationships would mean they actually respect women. money is the only thing these kind of men seem to see as value (and then wonder why they can't find a decent woman lol)

[@Ash_Wen-li]

This is why women should be willing to date men that will do some of the housework. If a guy expects you to earn money AND do all the housework he shouldn't be considered husband material

[@lain2236ad]

​@@Ash_Wen-li+2 LoGH pfp, this video lack so much that it borders on malicious

[@gilliancanvin8551]

This is a personal philosophy and maybe informs about romantic culture in north america but I wouldn't call it a science of attraction. As someone who has been in psychology much of it is personal navel gazing, or if it's a large enough and well done enough study, then it's too nebulous to mean anything groundbreaking. If I'm going to be mean, I think you just interviewed a dude about his dating life.

[@fernandoeras6273]

Not a personal philosophy if a lot of men have had the same conclusion/experience.

[@BoiseLou]

As a woman, I concur.

[@claytonweyl4135]

Oh I thought 50/50 was a relationship with equal effort, not necessarily wealth or status.

[@vrnvorona]

Effort is by extension also, but no one would date someone who is leagues below them.

[@vrnvorona]

@@geesehoward7261 Statistically primarily from where and how you were born

[@sufurt782]

​@@vrnvorona take your excuses to the dating market and see what it buys you. If you're happy, more power to you.

[@brandonwombacher2559]

​Luck, Privilege and Nepotism are a part of that to

[@veryfancypigeon]

Cause that's what it means. Don't listen to a bunch of *men* telling you about what *women* want

[@jonathanwilkinson4299]

This video seems more like an opinion piece and less educational. It seems out of place because I always saw this as an educational channel.

[@rayraysphone]

Evo Psych isn't opinion

[@beanmeupscotty]

@@rayraysphone you're right, it's a joke

[@rampaginwalrus]

For most of this guy's videos, you can find "debunking" videos which are usually very informative. Even if those debunking vids are obviously bias themselves, it's very beneficent to just have conflicting perspectives. I strongly recommend doing so for all "educational" videos, no matter how trustworthy they might seem. The most significant "educational" failure I've found just today was from one of his videos about protein. The guy is basically just a corporate shill, whether he knows it or not. He presents an incredibly poor and fundamentally inaccurate representation of real data to suggest that people aren't getting enough protein, among similar types of misinformation. I'm not a vegan, but this guy is definitely red pilled.

[@sor3999]

@@rampaginwalrus Just because someone "debunks" something doesn't automatically make them right. Being contrarian without substance.

[@Kokozaftran]

Questionable advice from this guy. It's a transactional relationship for him, not a fulfilling one. Interesting point of view, but questionable.

[@juliag7361]

When I got pregnant my partner suddenly claimed that he is now the provider and protector of the family and I have to do housework. So while I did the dishes he played video games. The relationship didn't last long. I have now a little boy which I have to tell everything: Bring the dishes in the kitchen, put on your shoes... The last thing I want is a man which behaves like my little boy and never grows up.

[@DionPanday]

Its so weird how all these women get tricked by these 200 IQ master manipulators when they’re supposed to be the smarter gender. Really makes you think 🤔

[@peramenehera7054]

​@@DionPanday literally nobody has said women are the smarter gender. Only losers care about which gender is smart lmao

[@maryjanerx]

Men dont want a partner, they want a Mommy Bang Maid

[@abhi36292]

yes, plz don't get married .(i know ur strong and independent), as for women they just want a new daddie to pay off the bills and gives a roof over their head.​@@maryjanerx

[@caldera11]

More like you decided he has to do everything always for the rest of his life since you are having a kid and "it's only fair"

[@mstly4lg]

Women aim high in their professional careers not because they find that attractive in men, therefore they assume a man will find that attractive in a woman- as this video tries to propose. Women aim high in their professional careers because ultimately the only person one can rely on is their own self. Women must have financial security and be an upstanding member of their community (through employment) to be able to look after themselves.

[@asmitasingh293]

Feels like this conversation has just taken love out of the picture. It’s all transactional.

[@ayowser01]

Love is for teenagers

[@marguskiis7711]

​​@@ayowser01 love is the best thing ever. And I am 48

[@SPACEDOUT19]

@@ayowser01 you sound like a robot

[@vaendryl]

Love grows over time, but it needs fertile ground to do so. And that fertile ground is mutual respect. A golddigger doesnt actually respect her man. And no man respects a whore.

[@andrij1848]

You said it much better than I could.

[@opiniwise]

Why should we care about what women want? Pls bring back your amazing documentaries

[@helloworlditskiwi]

Why should we care about what men want?? Maybe because we are both human and deserving of love and care??

[@opiniwise]

@@helloworlditskiwi honestly men and women have been going to the extremes oppressing themselves to meet the standards of the opposite sex. It tiring Let's just focus on ourselves and do what makes us happy. Idk about you but I'm tired of people telling me what women want? IDC anymore if they don't like me fine. At least I'll like myself 😊

[@Littlebeth5657]

I have multiple examples from my personal life of women contributing more than 50% including myself. More women are getting degrees now and are quite content to be the bread winner. I feel like none of this is actually based on real data. Please just talk to the women in you life, we are not a different species

[@Chihirolee3]

Tell me you only read the title of video and didn't watch it, without telling me.

[@Littlebeth5657]

@@Chihirolee3 well I watched half which was as much as I could manage and was directly commenting on his claims about how men are expected to contribute 50-100% and women only 0-50% max.

[@yarn5777]

Women ☕️☕️

[@NunyaBusiness...]

@@Littlebeth5657 Yeah, watch a little more of it and it clarifies that the 50% isn't just referring to financial. Get the whole context.

[@ncedwards1234]

Listen to the mean in the video, we aren't a different species lol.

[@rocketmangenesis]

Quantum mechanics, esoteric theory and Shakesperean literature? Just find another man...

[@peachfountain]

Will he find any individual men who share all of these interests? 😂 Gotta join some clubs and diversify relationships

[@korcommander]

That's literally was ol dude did.

[@SophiepTran]

@10:17 is so key! There are so many people who don't know what they need to satisfy themselves and think what they desire will satisfy them. I used to listen intently while I was dating, trying to fulfill the other persons desire rather than mine. My self esteem wasn't as robust at that time and it wasn't until I expressed that kind of behaviour to my wife that I noticed it was unnecessary and actually detrimental to our relationship. She told me so. I learned that I can contribute to her happiness but am not responsible for it. The relationship I have now is not equal but I'm fulfilled because it's complementary. We both strive to meet our own goals and as long as we're both invested in making it work, it does work well.

[@lohphat]

It how much of our cultural expectations are programmed by the media via repetition? It wasn’t long ago that piousness was a preferential trait, not so much today.

[@offensivearch]

That is because religiousness has declined. The decline in religiousness is more complex than just a change in cultural programming.

[@goodgrief888]

In the 80s I thought that I was very unique to declare myself an atheist. I didn’t realize that I was just part of an entire cultural shift away from religiosity. It didn’t appear that way to me in my suburban home town, because the last gasps of evangelical Christianity were so vocal and so in your face. I didn’t realize at the time that evangelical Christianity was behaving just like every single other dominant force when there’s a paradigm shift away - panicking at the end and being overzealous, which results in pushing even more people away. The media messaging didn’t change. There were tons of church shows on TV at that time. The entire culture shifted away from religion in reaction. If anything, the satanic panic and evangelicalism pushed people away more.

[@geisaune793]

Take your bullsh1t religious meandering back to whatever church indoctrinates you. Religion worked out disastrously for me

[@zzrroott6459]

Thats becausen religious programming is going away. They can't control humans with religion anymore

[@anonperson3972]

His statement about the one paying gets more say doesn't resonate with my family or the traditional way a lot of families were organised. My dad always earned more (apart from maybe a few years when my parents earned the same), but my mum was always in charge of the finances. It was also traditional in the past for men to pass over their pay to their wives who would manage the money and then get some pocket money to go down the pub 😂

[@glens18account]

yeah true. I don't like the idea that just because one person has a higher status job or has built their life more than the other, that the more powerful person therefore gets to be more in charge. Each relationship is it's own thing, but it would make me uncomfortable to be with someone who took control of where we drive to because they own a nicer car for road trips... like come on. That being said I am in a pretty much 40/60 relationship where I have a little less power in descision making like trips.

[@anonperson3972]

@glens18account He is also missing the point of a partnership. The idea is you are supposed to build a life together. His statements are very individualistic and not looking at the whole picture. Okay, the man earns more money in X relationship. Who is bearing abd breastfeeding the children? Who does most of the childcare? Who does more housework or puts more time into planning? Normally, it is whoever is spending less time working and earning less. It's a division of labour that provides mutual support. The less economically active member enables the breadwinner to do what they do and makes their life better. It's about supporting and uplifting each other, not dominance and "I earning more so I have the final say!"...

[@glens18account]

@@anonperson3972 couldn't agree more. Ive been with my girl for 11 years, its not about getting even, its about working together, laughing together, not accounting. The only place I would say you might want to account for is finances where yeah, I am not giving my GF $100 and not expecting it back at some point. But each to their own, many people share bank accounts. At the end of the day you cannot put a price on the fact someone is willing to spend their life with you, that is priceless beyond anything else.

[@purplefrog2396]

Yeah but this red pill guys want all the power and no responsibility torwards anyone. Plus their egos couldn't handle it.

[@schuylergeery-zink1923]

Yup my parents did this too tho my mom worked after my sister was old enough to go to school. She’s in charge of the finances and taught me financial literacy. My husband currently makes more tho at times I’ve made more it doesn’t matter - it’s all pooled together and I am the nerd and manage our budget, track expenses. Everything is transparent between partners and we work together in our financial goals.

[@golnooshsh482]

I can see a 50/50 relationship in couples who do not want children but if they do want children most of the burden is on the woman’s shoulders she is the one who sacrifices her career to get pregnant and care for the infant. Statistics also showed that woman are paid nearly as much as men before having children but then there is a sudden drop in income as they have their first child and they almost never can recover from that and the gap widens as they grow older compared to men. In this situation There is not any achievable equality and it’s fine.

[@cwt4560]

Men want to take care of women by taking care of all the financial burden when it comes to family and children. And women fight men over it and in the end, they are miserable in the workforce. And for what? Just to say women are oppressed? I have never seen women fight for equal representation in sewerage occupations. It's all about women wanting to get into management positions without the hard work. Most combat roles are occupied by men, most brain surgeons are men, most deep ocean divers are men, most fishermen are men, most offshore oil rigs are manned by men. You get one in a hundred thousand who is a female. All the most grueling or dangerous jobs are overwhelmingly taken up by men. Talk about sacrifice. I am pretty sure all the men who died in World War 2 would rather be a stay at home dad and get a pay cut than fight Hitler. But no, men had to defend their homes, their wives and their children. And all women do now is to cry inequality when all they really want is attention.

[@jessemiller3108]

It's sad that being free to look after your children is looked at as a "sacrifice" these days. (not attacking you or your thoughts. Just pointing out that it doesn't need to be looked at like a sacrifice, yet we do in the West. Just weird how we, as a society, look at it that way.

[@naniyotaka]

It’s a sacrifice because she is impacted negatively… Change the economy to help childcare to not be a sacrifice and it suddenly won’t be.

[@raskolnikov8644]

@@jessemiller3108 there's nothing weird about it, you can't have kids and a high powered careeer if you actually care about the kids. giving up on higher career aspirations to make sure your children get the attention and love that they need is LITERALLY a sacrifice. you sacrifice your career aspirations for your children. there's also an additional sacrifice to personal health since pregnancy can come with complications.

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

@@raskolnikov8644 kids doesnt need attention if the kid has finiancially successful family.

[@Murnan79]

I’ve been watching your KZbin videos on Health and Nutrition for years now. I’ve also been watching PsychHacks videos for at least the past 6 months. And now seeing a crossover interview I’m like 🤩🤩.

[@bonitovoyage]

You should be carefull, WIL health and nutrition videos are based on scientific paper, this video is based on misogyny

[@BeauProgramme]

Orion is talking as all contributions into a relationship are of financial nature only. But in reality, especially when children get in the mix, the term contribution includes way more aspects of life than financial only. I also noticed some narcissistic tendency there when someone is looking to find a partner that has identical interest. Intellectual stimulation is very important in a relationship but secteurs of interest are less important than IQ level perse.

[@pip-h]

You can't bring logic into these red pill losers' brains. So much better to be single forever than to have to put up with assholes like this.

[@alexforce9]

If she likes astrology and he likes math, equal IQ will not mean much.

[@Yellow.1844]

​@@alexforce9 something about astrology screams low IQ

[@BenLWolf]

Sounds like someone doesn't drizzle drizzle.

[@miaomiaou_]

@@alexforce9 not necessarily. Sure they have their differences but they might both like word games, boxing, or horror movies. I like perfume and animation and flea markets, and so do my girlfriends :) but I also like word games, boxing and horror movies ;)

[@pyroromancer]

A spicier topic would be Marriage/divorce in the US.

[@GreatRetro]

do you americans are allowed to talk at all these days?

[@OmerAsh]

​@@GreatRetro It's the land of the free as long as you're okay with us brainwashing you.

[@marguskiis7711]

Marriage and divorce in all christian/secular countries.

[@shogunofharlem8240]

Same issue.

[@alphacause]

Equality does not mean sameness. That is where much of this confusion is rooted and feminism plays a large part in confusing women into believing that equality is sameness. Women have erroneously assumed that ,in order to be equal to men, they have to start behaving like men, not realizing that their contributions to society can be equal without being a carbon copy of what men do and without mirroring the way men behave.

[@cameron339]

Well said.

[@imFruzzy]

Exactly. Just one example, where I used to live, half the 20-30 year old women look like they're using steroids and wonder why they can't get a man. Well, because most men are not gay.

[@MattWiggyWiggins]

One of the worst things going on in society is that "equity" is getting conflated with "equality". One could argue it's on purpose - most everyday people don't realize the distinct difference, and the people arguing these things seem to have taken on the battle cry of "equity" over "equality".

[@Rellikan]

​@@MattWiggyWigginsEquity is the extremist twin.

[@bunniesruletheworld1]

Feminism is about women having autonomy over their own lives in a similar capacity as men, it's not about being men.

[@thinkersonly1]

My first husband was 6 foot tall handsome swimmers body, and we got divorced. He wasn't rich, at all. We achieved money when we were together. My second husband is short 5.7 dad bod, he was making 16 dollars an hour he had no money, but I loved him. Didn't care about his broken car. We loved each other, we had the same goals to achieve things together. ❤️ we are partners , equals. He wanted a smart , strong woman, who is ambitious to achieve wealth. It was me. Not because he didn't want to achieve it, he was ambitious he is , he wanted a partner. People see me as strong. Weak men see me and ask him how you handle her she has so much energy and they know I'm a strong woman. He says he loves that I'm strong. They think just because I'm strong I am putting him down. It's not the case. I see him as an equal, we love each other we treat each other with respect.

[@zzrroott6459]

"strong" lol. Bet a 15 yo could toss you around. Don't ever make the mistake of thinking you're strong. You can't walk alone at night

[@aureliuswirawan4502]

​@@zzrroott6459Facts

[@ErikT2002]

Bro waited 5 months to release a video just to risk getting canceled 😂😂

[@Gabingus69]

Lmao

[@toonnaobi-okoye2949]

Canceled by who?

[@BalaenicepsRex3]

I mean, "cancelling" is dumb unless people are criminals or something. But damn this video is hot garbage.

[@warlock479]

He's too big to fall now...😅

[@Operations1000]

Rofl, glorious

[@itsthemintbunny]

This was an interesting watch. Wouldn’t say I agree with it all, but hearing it from a man’s perspective does have me reflecting on how I see relationship. Personally, I don’t want to look up to a man. Or at least, I’d want said man to equally look up at me in the same way if that were the case. But the quote that feels most right to me isn’t either sex looking up at the other but Antoine de Saint-Exupery’s quote, “Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction.” To me, it’s not about one person being similar or greater or less, but if you have the same goals and want to go in the same direction that’s were communication, growth, adoration, and fortitude lies.

[@JessicaOrban3606]

Agreed. I was thinking the same, and that quote ties it together well.

[@paulds65]

Ok, now tell me, is your man taller than you? Does he make more money than you? Does he have more education than you?

[@Rellikan]

It's possible for both to look up to each other, if they're excelling in different things.

[@croissants1280]

Hypergamy doesn't agree with you.

[@jadejackson1509]

This guy actually says what the woman wants doesnt matter at all, so you know, get in line lady 🙄

[@jusztinamaja]

Oh.. I actually enjoyed your content so far. I'm glad you guys always know better what women want and need... have fun with the guys.

[@ahmedalian7220]

Same. Unsubbing

[@TheLotan]

All my subscribed channels are converging.

[@vaibhavnigam8313]

I know right! It's weird.

[@GE0attack]

Well truth brings people together

[@en2336]

@@GE0attack the human desire for comfort, in the face of fear and uncertainty, leads us to seek outlets that can soothe our anxieties...cult leaders meet this need by making promises that are virtually unattainable - and not typically found anywhere else in society. This, according to Pedersen, could include complete financial security, constant peace of mind, and perfect health

[@theonlyconstantischange123]

[insert meme of Morpheus holding red and blue pill here]

[@-Datboijj-]

both of them are trash the only truth is black

[@Gabingus69]

Yes

[@RikkiestAndTikkiest]

When men try to run a multiple regression analysis on seduction...

[@GE0attack]

I think all the strategies found work really well. While what women and mainstream media tells just don't work now

[@island661]

Oh Rikki Tikki...🦦🐍

[@LoganKing4]

Are you saying scientific thinking isn't effective? lol

[@mllenessmarie]

Oh, I see it now. I checked older videos where there has been more well-prepared content on science, productivity, biohacking, interesting concepts and such, and that is also the reason why I subscribed to this channel. But within the last year or so is complaining about vegans, about feminism, about Depp's trial, and now this. Such downgrade in content.

[@AkiRa22084]

You should look in a mirror.

[@shogunofharlem8240]

Facts are not meant for everyone.

[@I-own-your-feelings]

feminism is evil. get over it

[@mllenessmarie]

@@AkiRa22084 Yup, looking into mirror, now what?

[@mllenessmarie]

@@shogunofharlem8240 This chanel was never 100% scientific, there has been always popular science vibe too it. But at least it was was for wider audience - e.g how to increase productivity. Recently the topics are definitely tailored to a narrow group of people and they got less factual.

[@assault410]

"If you earn 60k and your wife makes 30k, you dont make 90k, you make 60k"

[@comelfon]

it's closer to 30k on your part

[@Kaizen747]

Extremely happy to see orions popularity growing like wildfire

[@marguskiis7711]

Are you some MAGA guy or trumphead?

[@Spookspek]

I _do_ find more successful women attractive. I just have no reason to assume they'd find _me_ attractive, so I wouldn't dare to ask one out, but would accept if asked out by one. Age still plays a role of course, and it's not so much past success I care about as intelligence and future potential.

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

You will end up alone, dude.

[@Chee235]

Just ask. Some women like taking care of men.

[@I-own-your-feelings]

😂

[@revkallisto]

Excellent advice. This mans words have helped change my life for the better. Work on yourself, and you will attract what you need. True enough brother

[@salt7582]

8:27 😂 I screamed out loud “responsibility” I knew exactly what he was going to say 😂

[@tesselaynes5428]

They got the right to work for equal pay but found out they still had to do all the jobs at home

[@rowsofpitch]

When it comes to things like this, its important to think critically. So i will point out that no studies are referred to, no arguments have been made. This is merely 20 minutes of unsubstantiated claims.

[@UnKnownv5]

ok wojak. you're the type that needs to be told things from position of authority. type that checks weather on a phone instead of looking out the window.

[@kirbylover37]

​@@UnKnownv5How are you supposed to know what the weather will be tomorrow?

[@UnKnownv5]

@@kirbylover37 jackie chan confused dot jpg.

[@orchdork775]

Exactly

[@sourxpill]

​@@UnKnownv5 How are you complaining about someone who wants claims backed by recorded science? Why would I want to take this guy's word at face value?

[@johnmanole4779]

TrUsT mE i'M aN aLpHA mAlE i KnOW wHaT wOmEn wAnt

[@izmeyael]

😂

[@cx777o]

bruh he is literally a clinical psychologist who has seen these kinds of behaviors in the real world multiple times, you just cant handle the truth lol

[@johnmanole4779]

@@cx777o yOu CaN't hANdLe tHe tRuTh

[@sor3999]

@@johnmanole4779 No argument huh? OH WAIT. Sorry. nO aRgUmEnt huH?

[@thejoefowler]

Women don't just want a man who is "more" than they are, they want a man who is MORE than other men. They want the best, even if they themselves aren't the best of what women can offer. Obviously women do settle, because there are loads of men who are married who aren't tall or rich or fit. But this is just recognizing a woman's biology.

[@ExplorewithSarahlouise]

Not everyone is like that but some women are some men are too they can be like 50 with no money or passion and expecting super models to fall for them or having all kinds of weird standards. I saw an obese guy once saying he wanted a female body builder type physique on a woman and is only attracted to that body type and won’t date other women. He did end up with a similar sized woman to him and drop the standards and he actually seems to now be very happy and in love.

[@mnfchen]

Some women. Not all nor in general.

[@thejoefowler]

That’s exactly what he said: Just because it’s “not all women” doesn’t make the general statement untrue.

[@faramund9865]

Men are no different. Although I’ve found in my wisdom through the years I realize much better what is valuable in a woman. Of course you have to be attracted, but that isn’t merely a physical thing.

[@BabyPrincess687]

The guy in your pfp has a very weak jawline. Men are so lucky women settle for them.

[@thomasdotson8978]

Consciously allowing the man to lead is a massive responsibility

[@berdfergusonn]

Finally, two men talking about what women want!

[@sparqqling]

Exactly, they can't handle a woman who makes more so let's tell them they want to be dependant.

[@peterhenderson5413]

Hahaha seriously!!

[@shogunofharlem8240]

Well, it's not as if having two women talk about would have made it any clearer.

[@peterhenderson5413]

@shogunofharlem8240 you would only think that if you have a deep distrust and lack of respect for women (which I imagine is the case for you and the two guys in this video!)

[@freekm9024]

Rodents like rats and beavers feel a constant need to chew on though materials like wood. This is because their teeth keep growing indefinitely. Without constant wearing down of the teeth, rodents will experience health complications and potentially even die as a consequence. Rodents need to be able to chew sufficiently to remain healthy. Curious, I am not a beaver nor a rat and yet I can accurately talk about what they want.

[@adiadi234]

This channel’s content transformes into Jordan Peterson content

[@bonitovoyage]

I would unsuscribe again if I could

[@grant_us_eyez]

There is a lot one could say about how disappointing this video is. However considering the channel, the lack of data and studies presented or cited is the biggest offender here. WIL is a channel that relies on the track record of data. This video doesn't seem to be interested in that. Instead we get vague generalizations that ultimately fall flat and add more confusion and false biases to the whole subject matter. I understand this is an interview, however it makes me sad to see the WIL mike being handed over to someone so casually. Imo this only hurts the channel's credibility.

[@peanutbobo]

Agreed

[@jaguartony]

I mean, after WIL interviewed Jordan Peterson, I'm not surprised at all.

[@RockStock6]

If psychology based itself merely on data it wouldnt exist

[@rawbacon]

Okay feel free to use data in your comment instead of posting a crybaby comment about your sadness.

[@switzerland]

Agree, pretty weird. There are plenty of studies around love, relationships, marriage and with varying outcomes across cultures. So much to dive into.

[@liamout]

I love when men explain what women find attractive

[@AnaDoMatoSA]

​@Franfiocchi the hunter of course, in that case, women 😂

[@shyshy1894]

@Franfiocchibro what the hell are you yapping about

[@rephaelreyes8552]

It’s clickbait more than anything else. This “expert” is just yapping about common sense of a relationship dynamics. The point is, just focus and work on yourself and someone will find you attractive just the way you are. If you try to cater to the person, it’ll be a losing battle because you’re not being you and they’re in control. Everyone, just talk some sense with a woman. If she yaps about gender roles (regardless if women should be trad wives or girl boss their way to industry), don’t talk to her. These people must have uninteresting lives to worry about their roles in society.

[@Adam-zt4cn]

@Franfiocchi There you have it, folks. Finding women is like hunting deer. The world becomes so much simpler when woman are property to acquire, instead of partner to have mutually beneficial relationship with, isn't it? It's the damn woke mob making the world complicated again!

[@Adam-zt4cn]

@Franfiocchi There you have it, folks. Finding women is like hunting deer. How dare the deer want to have mutually beneficial relationship!

[@seraph4581]

my girl loves quantum mechanics lmao

[@MissNayNay]

I am starting to get a bit of an interest in it myself. But it doesn't matter because the average person isn't into quantum mechanics, woman or man.

[@kingasipos2112]

so basically you got a person that lacks any sign of emotional intelligence, has definitely been hurt before and couldn't process it and gave him a microphone to express his opinion. wonderful.

[@Shad0wack]

If theres one thing ive learned, its that women hate truth that makes them uncomfortable. You would much rather believe a lie.

[@shalevsaada7596]

​@@Shad0wack if there's something rhat i learned is generallizing whole group of people based on what a red pill goru told you makes you very dumb

[@VelvetRed-rz8ur]

@@Shad0wackjust because it’s convenient for you doesn’t mean it’s the truth.. the fact that manosphere toxic men just insist that women don’t know what they want and secretly want to be dominated by them it’s beyond ridiculous. Women today have the freedom to make a choice and you can’t handle them choosing having agency, a self made career, a bank account and lover according to their taste.. we no longer need to settle for the rich grandpa because our families are forcing us into marriage.

[@sangillee7]

@@Shad0wacka man speaking on behalf of general women because I guess you have been inside of women’s brains. What I want to know is how many woman have you ever been close enough to have a profound conversation to actually know them.

[@leyenda6149]

TBH, I loathe the sound effects & video inserts. They are extremely distracting

[@shkpotter9844]

What I've learned More like What I want to get cancelled for

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

You should stop worrying about getting cancelled by losers.

[@eatmanyzoos]

@@yarpenzigrin1893 getting cancelled is the best promotion a talentless douche could ask for

[@darkworlddenizen]

​@@yarpenzigrin1893 I agree. If people stopped worry about getting cancelled then cancel culture wouldn't be a thing.

[@shkpotter9844]

@@yarpenzigrin1893 true lol I was joking

[@abeldnite]

Sad times to be cancelled for saying things that have been true for literal thousands of years.

[@capitandonculo]

I was just thinking about how we currently are able to provide for ourselves and be ourselves a lot more than before, which makes me think of... like if you want something in your life, you can go and get it for yourself instead of depending on someone else to give you that, not saying that one is better than the other, but that helps me makes sense to this "women being more masculine and men being more feminine" thing

[@fitfolu8748]

Hells yeah New upload finally

[@RonnieJamesOsbourne]

Women, do want to look up to men... But only if their 6ft and above.

[@cx6847]

He's Back !

[@cx777o]

my long lost brother cx !

[@cx6847]

@@cx777o :)

[@Kaizen747]

​@@cx777o Ah.. an ancient model

[@Brody.W]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth...

[@CrossingTheStreetArt]

Everyone wants to benefit from a relationship, not just women. Everyone needs to learn to stop prioritizing themselves over their partner in the relationship.

[@faramund9865]

How silly it is we live in a time where large groups of people think men and women are or can be the same.

[@BabyPrincess687]

I agree. Women are compassionate and empathetic. Meanwhile the only thing men are capable of is rage. So idk if you could say they're people. More towards animals tbh

[@melc311]

As silly as thinking you can turn yourself into a woman.

[@734ch3r]

Lots of blue pills out there.

[@nekemli2622]

Does that mean women doing the same crimes that men do are different?

[@lama010101]

I disagree with the last statement: I've never had so much success with women since I started speaking freely about all my emotions, not holding back anything. Not only do I get into much deeper connections with women (and people in general) I also show that I'm honest and truthful, which is what women seek overall.

[@viktorvh5511]

It is okay to say that men and women are equal but then do a 180 and get to stuff like "men should not look down to the level of women it's women that should look up to men. Sorry what? Why do supposedly intelligent people reduce relationships to a sparing match for the lead role? How about being a team? How about not making everything about your ego? Modern hyperindividualism has gone a bit too far...

[@zzrroott6459]

Adapt or get left behind

[@oriehi_raphael_paul]

Every team has its star player.

[@piety3725]

that's too difficult for the white cis hetero person to realize.

[@homedepotindustrialfan936]

Every team needs a leader. It doesn’t have to be a power struggle with a tyrant unless we inject power into it.

[@aether3697]

​@@oriehi_raphael_paul ... On their respective fields of excellence

[@wafihaqq]

Putting leo dicaprio when talking about older men wanting younger women ahahah😂

[@saturnight.3026]

Equality doesn't have to be clinically measured, it can be as simple as mutual agreement fuelled by mutual equal respect. Everything else is just a bunch of assumptions and generalisation.

[@mind-of-neo]

I think it's just different for everyone. Some people may be better off "assuming the lead", some may be better off "taking a submissive role" and others will only be happy if the two of you are equal.

[@illiiilli24601]

Some real red pill content here

[@moesqrd]

I used to recommend people to this channel, but I can't anymore. Dude is gonna start shilling manosphere nonsense while its on its last legs

[@joshlibrawood6779]

@@moesqrd people really acting surprised as if the carnivore diet stuff was manosphere nonsense. All the signs were there.

[@crazyworld014]

I think it's a shame too, because I've learned so much useful information from this channel, fasting, meditation, the consequences of explicit content addiction, sleep improvement tips. I just want something more practical out of the presentation style that is brought to the table here.​@@moesqrd

[@shogunofharlem8240]

​@@moesqrd "Manosphere nonsense" 😂 Cope harder🤭

[@korcommander]

We are you afraid of the truth? Women prefer to be led. That's how they evolved.

[@DanRichter]

If Brad Pitt wanted to talk about Quantum Mechanics, he could probably find 50,000+ women within 24 hours to listen to him. It's just you, brother.

[@epicleaf]

In general I agree with this but imo, if someone follows these archetypes nearly to a T, they aren't interesting enough to be with. If you find people who aren't a copy paste, these generalities are thrown out the window and it's all useless information. Approach people with an open mind and no expectations, learning about them is the best part.

[@joy7367]

i'm glad someone else said it. i don't generally engage with that type of content and only watched this to be able to have my own opinion on the direction this channel is taking, i subscribed ages ago bc i found his video about language learning interesting. and man these discussions frustrate me so much bc.. why are we treating meeting people as this impersonal game? people would have an easier (and way less miserable!) time getting to know others and forming relationships with them if they were approaching them with curiosity about getting to know someone new, rather than trying to extract a gameplan of how to be who you think who you think you want wants.

[@epicleaf]

@@joy7367 EXACTLY I totally agree

[@BalaenicepsRex3]

Since I saw this in my recommendations feed I just thought "oh no". And yeah, the content was just as crappy as the clickbait title and thumbnail. Pretty disappointing, considering his previous works had actual experts and tons papers, and this is just yet another "alpha-male red-pilled sigma chad podcast": two random dudes presenting cliché "counter-trend" opinions (which ironically always end up being trendy and copied ad nauseam by other influencers) as scientific or professionally assessed "truth". Isn't it possible that people have relationships... I don't know, for love and companionship? *gasp*

[@shogunofharlem8240]

Hypergamy does not depend on a woman's perdonality.

[@joy7367]

what is bro yapping about

[@hiriasbloodweaver8593]

To be fair, it is very fulfilling to have a relationship with shared interests. It's not a necessity, but it's a huge plus.

[@meikahidenori]

I don't just want equality. I want respect and actual recognition for putting up with my husbands bull crap and gaslighting for so long. Is there compensation for that?

[@peachfountain]

No recognition from these juveniles what real women go through or what massive risk relationships present to women. So annoying

[@vatzjr]

The 1950s called. They want their stereotypes back. Funny how two guys seem to be experts on what women want. LMAO

[@abigaillindsey512]

Oh get off it 🙄

[@homedepotindustrialfan936]

Found the person with cope who can’t categorically abstract lol Also, simp.

[@thadcox5298]

Have you ever considered that maybe, aside from the flaws of this tradition, they were on to something? The American middle class was near its peak at that point, and the nuclear family is the model that came from that time of prosperity. The majority of humanity's greatest philosophers came from times of prosperity- it breeds culture and nuance in society. Because of the Industrial Revolution, we presume that as time passes, society will improve. This is not the case.

[@Shad0wack]

The 1950s were great

[@azulsimmons1040]

People like to turn this into some kind of odd science. Women want a man they can build a life with that makes them feel safe and valued with genetic traits they find desirable. Men want a breeding partner to carry on their bloodline that feels worth investing in with desirable genetic and behavioral traits. The economic environment has changed substantially so that women no longer need be primarily focused on a male's ability to acquire resources as they have the capacity to acquire skills that allow them to have a sufficient resource pool to pursue other traits when choosing breeding partners. This reconfiguration is fairly recent and is taking time to sort itself out. Women are cognizant that men and women are not the same, but they also want to have the power how they will participate in this new resource paradigm. The biggest problems occur when men and women are taught to pursue relationships using the old resource paradigm and expectations, when a new paradigm has been created due to economic and technological advancement. So this must be sorted through until men and women create a new cultural standard for relationships that becomes more standardized with new mating rituals. In general, women have the power in this relationship by virtue of their ability to create people. If a woman can create her own resource base to work from, she can easily acquire the necessary materials to create new humans. This places her in a power position and always has because the human male has always had to work for the female for breeding to sustain the existence of the human race. You see this even in the animal kingdom where males work harder to obtain a breeding partner. This situation is often based on the ability of the male to accumulate resources and make themselves an attractive breeding partner for the female. There's just no getting around it as it's very difficult to force women into breeding situations for the long-term. They have to choose to do it, even if they choose badly. That magic power is always going to make the female very valuable in the sexual marketplace allowing them a great deal of control over their situation as the male option is simply to die off if they can't find a female breeding partner. As Orion stated, they are not often looking for equality. Why would they when they have almost all the power? And they don't even want the power men value like knowledge of quantum mechanics or what not. They want control of male purse and capacity to supply them with the necessary nest and resources to make breeding feel worthwhile and them to feel safe and valued. This is how men should think of females if they want a breeding partner. You are engaged in a negotiation and the mating rituals are the means by which you negotiate and show each other you are a valued partner with something to exchange. Don't watch too many romance movies or you'll get an insanely skewed view of your reality. Also don't be too clinical about it either or you'll be a big turnoff. Create the illusion of love, make sure you have at least friendship and loyalty, then create the family you want if you want one. If you don't, well, then don't worry about it...there are 8 billion people. No one cares if you breed or not anymore.

[@eka528]

I really want to copy this but I can't bcs accessing this from phone

[@Anna-rb6rg]

Thank you for describing my thoughts so accurately :) there is nothing sexier than a smart person (and this is not about quantum physics at all, but about an adequate understanding of how the world works)

[@EthansSpace]

Lol I feel like if you want to know what women find attractive you shouldn’t be watching a KZbin video with 2 dudes just talking with to evidence of their arguments

[@Michael-vc2cs]

Have you ever asked women what they’re looking for in a man? Then have you ever watched the guys they actually pick? Yeah, the fact that it’s 2 guys has absolutely no bearing on the veracity of the material.

[@TheReignOfChaos94]

Be a powerful individual and make your own destiny! The rest will fall into place. When a man says that to other men, he's a misogynist. When a woman says that to other women, you go girly!

[@W4ng4n470r]

Interesting, it's what I ended up doing with my relationships. Didn't care much about how well she can match me intellectually, didn't care much for wanting her to pull her weight in that 50/50 thing. I only cared about doing what I wanted to do and if she wanted to come along for the ride, then that's great, otherwise she can be on her own way.

[@heavymetal3256]

Yeah, same here. I'll keep doing what is best for my peace, health and money; she will always be more than welcome to leave when she pleases.

[@flatternutter]

What do women want? Why not just ask women? Naah, we've got PhD in yapping and we'll speculate about this ourselves 😂😂

[@pianoplaynight]

Who knows better what ALL women want than two white men? 😂

[@alexdex9439]

What women say they want is a completely different thing to what they will accept haha. Tbf it's the same with any human but more so women. The fact that you haven't learned that yet perhaps shows that youre young atm but you will learn.

[@flatternutter]

@@alexdex9439 I have so many questions. Why this is more true with women? Why are you so sure what you're saying is true? Is this your personal experience? Also, ageist much? 😀 Their discussion is just hilarious to me, I don't see the point in anything they say, that's all. Are there no other topics where they could sound competent?

[@miekiepiekie1]

Yeah funny right... Its almost always 2 guys talking about this topic :')

[@jmafia48867]

Women don't know what they want.

[@huntingghosts]

This feels weirdly out of place and unscientific to me. Videos will like this will make it much harder for me to sell your channel and the great information regarding diet as trustworthy.

[@zzrroott6459]

you can go back to eating leaves

[@sor3999]

You can't just deny science when it gives you an uncomfortable truth.