Adelekey, you are a super star 🌟 your country is so proud of you, Ireland 🇮🇪
@josephmonahan63832 ай бұрын
Sad for Adeleke. She made ireland proud. Would’ve medalled at every Olympic since 96
@Alann19942 ай бұрын
She's 21 she's only getting started 🇮🇪🇮🇪
@wayneegli83792 ай бұрын
She should've been the Bronze medalist. Unfortunately, the drug cheat that is Salwa Eid Naser only got a 2 year suspension instead of 4.
@lizzytarre4612 ай бұрын
@@wayneegli8379She did her time. How is she to blame for Adeleke's loss.
@docsmithdc2 ай бұрын
@@wayneegli8379 What you said was one of the most cowardly and ignorant things I have ever heard. I for one am happy for Salwa and glad to see her back.She never tested positive for any thing.She was tested multiple times in 2019 after that beautiful 48:12 and the suspension was pushed by Shauni Webo who is one of these athletes that believe if you beat her you must be cheating.I will also add the the behavior of Afeleke supporters towards SALWA at the post race press conference was disgraceful and abusive .Webo is also known for causing problems for the late Cory Glover.
@sebolai-dd4wo2 ай бұрын
She should represent nigeria...
@karolinajania6662 ай бұрын
Amazing race! Happy for Natalia Kaczmarek's bronze ❤❤🎉🎉
@wayneegli83792 ай бұрын
Should have been a silver. Naser is a drug cheat and should be permanently banned. I am actually glad that the 100m Hurdles record holder didn't make the final.
@SheylaM2 ай бұрын
We are so proud of our brilliant athlete here in the Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 🎉
@ElaineVermeulen-s7x2 ай бұрын
Your DSD athlete🥺🤞🏼
@igorgomez10552 ай бұрын
@@ElaineVermeulen-s7x DSD athletes are banned from the 400 meter race
@ElaineVermeulen-s7x2 ай бұрын
@@igorgomez1055 exactly my point. She should go for gender-affirming testing.
@pedromoraledesma2 ай бұрын
@@igorgomez1055()) hay que permitirles una justificación anti depresiva, siempre hay que tratar de justificar el porqué perdieron sus atletas favoritos. 🤔🤯😰
@aliciapfaff742 ай бұрын
Are you from dominikan republik i am and im super proud
@GyariSan12 ай бұрын
People here often take offence to me saying Paulino’s previous PB is misleading because she eases off the pedal all the time before the finish line. I’m glad she proves me right, and once again could have gone faster if she didn’t slow down in the final 2-3 metres of the race and leaned forward.
@franciscodelorbe66832 ай бұрын
I'm from DR and i think the same ass you.. she slow down all time.. 😅😅
@marshallsvideo2 ай бұрын
She eased off the gas because she didn’t have anything left.
@ManuelMartinez-fo1rp2 ай бұрын
@@marshallsvideo hater gonna hate😂😂😂.
@enriqueperez20752 ай бұрын
@@marshallsvideoOr maybe because she sees no need for, since she has such a lead.
@MariuszOpole2 ай бұрын
Paulino she ? Women or Man ?
@zabaleta662 ай бұрын
Happy for Kaczmarek, she has been in great form and it's just reward to be on the podium.
@brianbethune6162 ай бұрын
This race was ridiculously fast
@saminates20022 ай бұрын
All athletes under 50 3 under 49
@miquelbuckinx40742 ай бұрын
Yes it is fast indeed. They can be lucky though McLaughin and Bol are running the 400 meter hurdles. McLaughlin ran 47.70 split time in 4 x 400 meters ladies. Bol ran a 47.97 split time in the mixed 4 x 400 meters.
@kire382 ай бұрын
No es lo mismo correr de parado que lanzado Paulino también corre 47 en relevos @@miquelbuckinx4074
@gmaxsfoodfitness30352 ай бұрын
@@miquelbuckinx4074 Those are only splits with a running start (Allison Felix ran a 47 sec split but her PB in the open 400m was only 49.1). Both are about a second slower than their splits in the open 400m (based on her indoor WR I'd expect Bol to get under 49 secs eventually outdoors). Sydney isn't within half a second of Paulino or Naser's PBs and Femke is over a second behind them. Why even bring them up at this point? Sydney hasn't even broken the American record yet which is "only" 48.70. Based on PBs, Sydney would've been 3rd in this race.
@BrianBradshaw-c2l2 ай бұрын
Paulinho is an amazing quarter miler with her awesome powers in the last 100 meters. This is her time and an astonishing performance! 4th fastest of all time. Salwa is getting back into world class form. She's resurfaced with fire in her belly!.another world class quarter miler reminding people she's on of the best in the world for a well deserved 2nd! Kazmarek is the best quarter miler in Europe! This was a firecracker of a 400 with every woman running the greatest womens 400 finals in Olympic history!
@rolandadjeiakporh85812 ай бұрын
Glad to see my fav 400m athlete Salwa Eid Nasr back and claiming silver … I love her so much
@XanderLeamon2 ай бұрын
Hmm 3 missed drug tests tho… I’m still not sure I believe her race was clean at the world champs
@anisiocardoso11322 ай бұрын
I think that if she was on middle lane she would have won , they sabotage her because she had the fastest qualifying time on the semi
@jingdeartan93332 ай бұрын
@@anisiocardoso1132what's the rule, shouldn't Naser be allowed to choose her favorite lane since she is the fastest coming to the final , I love Naser n I hope she continues to shine
@docsmithdc2 ай бұрын
@@anisiocardoso1132 Agreed-Salwa was about three strides late responding to Paulino's move at the 200m mark and the race would have been closer had Sakwa responded in time.
@docsmithdc2 ай бұрын
@@XanderLeamon Well there's no cure for stupid
@gperr27162 ай бұрын
Congrats to Paulino.. a 400m legend
@StewNWT2 ай бұрын
WTF Paulinho why did you slow down at the end you would have broken 48 seconds omg I’m so psyched for her but simultaneously so pissed she didn’t run through the line
@anisiocardoso11322 ай бұрын
She was tired
@gmaxsfoodfitness30352 ай бұрын
She put her all into it. You ever sprint 400m? Those last few meters make you want to walk. She was done (beat/tired) and she knew she won so she didn't have to push her body anymore than that. It's not healthy to overdo it just for fans who don't know anything and don't care if you have to leave the track in a wheelchair like Van Niekirk had to do when he would sprint all out 400m and couldn't get up off the ground.
@IronelyFulcar2 ай бұрын
She didn’t want to, her trainer said that. She wanted to save the OR for the final, and she did so. As for the WR, IMO she is saving that for another race. I would’ve loved to see her break the WR and winning the 🥇 too, but I am happy she broke the OR. She’s an amazing athlete.
@Xdrxd292 ай бұрын
Paulino is in ger peak!! Greetings from DR 🇩🇴🇩🇴
@shonda79able2 ай бұрын
I had Paulino winning this last year. She's has an engine that keeps going.
@jojolords45232 ай бұрын
Everyone breaking 50 seconds and three breaking 48 seconds never happened before
@QuamfyMarc2 ай бұрын
Breaking 49s you mean I hope 😅
@alansamuel24542 ай бұрын
@@QuamfyMarcyes sub 49. Sub 48 is still yet to happpen
@jojolords45232 ай бұрын
@@QuamfyMarc yes lol
@gmaxsfoodfitness30352 ай бұрын
@@jojolords4523 It's KZbin. You can edit your comment to say "breaking 49 seconds."
@gmaxsfoodfitness30352 ай бұрын
@@alansamuel2454 Of course sub 48 has happened twice but that was back in the 1980's.
@anitaweakley63282 ай бұрын
Congratulations Marileidy!! 🇺🇲🥇✌🏻💗🤗🇺🇲
@anthonnybrownnn97602 ай бұрын
Paulino show her class.she distroy the field to win the 400m gold medal. Congrats to her.she was in no joke mood .
@NathanielMendes-g7j2 ай бұрын
holy grammar
@cliffxt2 ай бұрын
Like the way you said this 👍🏾👍🏾😂❤
@PeterJ-cb3vk2 ай бұрын
If it had been by more than 1 second then I would say that she "destroyed" the field but she didn't. I would instead say that she won comfortably.
@XxAziCodxX12 ай бұрын
@@PeterJ-cb3vkwhat are you saying? She did destroy the field it wasn’t even close look how relaxed she won it throughout the qualifiers and semis she been dusting the competition, she was the favourite to win it and she won it.
@esan07152 ай бұрын
@@PeterJ-cb3vkwhen you set a new world record, while slowing down the last few meters, you can say you destroyed the competition
@Alann19942 ай бұрын
Adeleke time would of won the 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016 olympics this race was incrediblely fast
@arijeanz2 ай бұрын
i know a lot of the comments here are disappointed that marileidy didn't push through harder for a world record (i am a bit too) but as a dominican, we are all so euphoric that marileidy has dominated this event and brought home a medal. she is the first woman to get gold and the most decorated athlete in our history now. for us, the fact that she didn't break the world record is merely an afterthought, we are just happy she made us proud on the world stage and is continuing our running legacy ❤
@eliasmilborn22802 ай бұрын
First time the top 3 run 48. First time a whole field runs sub 50 (previous most was 6th). Shout out to Sada Williams running 49.8 in lane 2 ...
@jay_m41602 ай бұрын
Not enough people are talking about her!!!
@carsongambaro2 ай бұрын
She slowed up at the finish! Sub 48 is definitely coming
@sandman13472 ай бұрын
Great performance from Paulino. She's crazy fast! We need to have Sydney switch to this event now. This might become a really great matchup!
@Hush85DR2 ай бұрын
Sydney doesn't have a chance, but would be good to have at least some competition... it was too easy for Marileidy
@sandman13472 ай бұрын
@@Hush85DR Doesn't have a chance? Strong words. I can't agree with you there bud. She definitely has a chance if she actually focuses on the 400 for a while.
@Hush85DR2 ай бұрын
@@sandman1347 Sydney's numbers don't show she can make 48 flat or sub 48. Marileidy is now able to go sub 48, she just hasn't set herself to do it (especially not yesterday with wet surface).
@sandman13472 ай бұрын
@@Hush85DR Sydney has barely run the 400 and never at a major meet. We have never really seen what she can do at that distance. Considering she can run a 50.37 with hurdles on the track, I'd say sub-48 is VERY realistic for her.
@Hush85DR2 ай бұрын
@@sandman1347 that's a bold prediction, we'll see. Hope she switches over to make the 400m flats a lot more interesting.
@nitty_nito2 ай бұрын
Congratulations Paulino🎉❤🎉❤🎉
@nathancresswell74782 ай бұрын
Imagine running sub 49 and you BARELY make the podium. Most years sub 49 guaranteed you the gold medal.
@negus56752 ай бұрын
These ladies are leveling up it seems
@eguono90572 ай бұрын
Paulino has been consistent for years congratulations girl
@jadej2952 ай бұрын
You are our wonder woman Marileidy!💖
@rubirose1962 ай бұрын
Proud of these three extraordinary women. Dominican Republic is super proud🎉🎉🎉
@innocentnatwijuka74942 ай бұрын
❤❤ to Eid Nasser keep going .
@rafaelajose5302 ай бұрын
Praise the Lord for Paulino. Soooo proud of our Dominican girl. 🇩🇴 awesome race. 🥳👏
@miquelbuckinx40742 ай бұрын
Yes it is fast indeed. They can be lucky though McLaughin and Bol are running the 400 meter hurdles. McLaughlin ran 47.70 split time in 4 x 400 meters ladies. Bol ran a 47.97 split time in the mixed 4 x 400 meters.
@yimjo71962 ай бұрын
No es lo mismo, la salida te atrasa bastante en los 400 metros planos.
@SuperHollywood809Ай бұрын
Personal best record 400m flat : Paulino 48.17 GOLD Naser 48.50 Zilver Sydney 48.75 BRONZE Kaczmarek 48.90 4th Adeleke 49.07 5th Fenke Bol 49.17 6th Fenke Bol is a full second behind, on the track that's an eternity.
@magnanova2 ай бұрын
I think this 48.17 is the real women's 400m world record.
@abeldisla.54882 ай бұрын
Grateful and Proud of our Queen of Speed 👍💯❤️🥇🇩🇴.
@menceacrookendale55452 ай бұрын
Congratulations Sada Williams. You did your best
@idontsignin2 ай бұрын
She potentially could have broken 48 seconds if she didn't slow down at the end.
@SonnieBhavvie2 ай бұрын
Crazy never thought the record was going to be broken
@igorgomez10552 ай бұрын
very proud of our champion 🇩🇴🇩🇴
@ElaineVermeulen-s7x2 ай бұрын
So glad Salwa Eid Naser put back some respect on her name again! I love when people rise up against the odds!🥺🤞🏼
@rdd49442 ай бұрын
love salwa eid nasser
@erichansen3641Ай бұрын
FEMKE BOL was the CLEAR FAVORITE at 1272 points score. She didn't even run in the 400m event at the 2024 Paris Olympics and she was the FAVORITE to win.
@IronelyFulcar2 ай бұрын
Paulino saved the OR for the final, as her manager and trainer said, I hope she is saving that WR for another competition. IMO she can do 47.10 easily.
@mwbeck2 ай бұрын
I'm really curious to know how McLaughlin-Levrone would have done in the flat. Edit, I did butcher her name. Apologies. I think what I typed just got autocorrected. My curiosity on how she would have performed remains.
@dicktrickle7412 ай бұрын
I believe Paulino kicked her ass when they met one time
@vanillaoverchocolate54402 ай бұрын
Damn you butchered her name😂
@sadrgbzdhxjyugfcsh2 ай бұрын
@@vanillaoverchocolate5440frrr 😂😂😂
@sudhirchandra97902 ай бұрын
Who is McLachlan,never heard her name
@QuamfyMarc2 ай бұрын
Slow only 48.7s pb 😅
@cchan47392 ай бұрын
MP is a beast. I hope to see her go sub 48 some point in her career!
@robertvere22632 ай бұрын
Marita Koch’s 1985 world record in this event of 47.60 is such an outlier. The next best is 47.99 and her next best is 48.16. If Paulino hadn’t eased up, she may have been the 3rd person to have broken 48 seconds and the first since 1985. It will be a great day when Koch’s drug-assisted record is beaten.
@michal.laskowski.2 ай бұрын
Kaczmarek💪
@sebolai-dd4wo2 ай бұрын
Thats the last olympic medal she will ever get....and Next world champs, she is not getting anything
@SuperHollywood809Ай бұрын
I see people asking where's Fenke Bol. She wouldn't get a medal on the 400m flat at París 2024. Her personal Best is 49.17 that's a full second behind Paulino time 48.17. A second behind is actually an eternity on the track.
@ivelinkamenovАй бұрын
Dude, Bol's time is indoors...stop with this crap...she absolultely can run something around 48.50 outdoors
@SuperHollywood809Ай бұрын
@@ivelinkamenov Paulino 48.17 GOLD Naser 48.50 Zilver Pryce 48.57 BRONZE Sydney 48.75 4th Kaczmarek 48.90 5th Adeleke 49.07 6th Brown 49.13 7th Bol 49.17 8th Numbers doesn't lie. She is not fast enough for the 400m flat. Talk to me with facts not with speculation about F. BOL running 48 because as we speak she hasn't got under the 48 seconds.
@MrKev16642 ай бұрын
missing Femke Bol
@sambergmark61602 ай бұрын
Great video! Great race!
@djdiggerjonez40632 ай бұрын
I'm glad Nasir is back.
@BaardFigur2 ай бұрын
Congratulations to Jæger for reaching her first olympic finals
@micky25492 ай бұрын
**this is a random thought** Paused at 1:31 and checked out the positions. Its interesting how, in Helsinki 1983, 2 athletes from Czechoslovakia were 1 and 2. In incredible times!
@slothlol99952 ай бұрын
great commentary and added context. good job big bro made the race more interesting for an outsider ! :)
@joejet89822 ай бұрын
Sydney should have run the 400 flat instead of the 400h. It would have been much more attractive.
@arathgomez6152 ай бұрын
She doesn’t want the smoke. Respectfully. I think she’s good, but she doesn’t wanna run where the competition is really at.
@joejet89822 ай бұрын
@@arathgomez615 It`s ok but let her made the opinion
@nightworg2 ай бұрын
Such a great race - the best 400 m in a long time. They all run sup 50 sec.
@nick_85642 ай бұрын
where is Femke Bol ?
@Hush85DR2 ай бұрын
@TotalRunningProductions you said something towards the end of the video clip that needs correction. The Dominican Republic is 'not' part of North America, it is part of Central America and the Caribbean. Not sure but she probably ran the fastest 400m ever in all of America.
@Jamaicanflava112 ай бұрын
Pryce was actually sick at the time when she ran
@randall61442 ай бұрын
Where was Femke Bol
@Ineddiblehulk2 ай бұрын
Was disappointing that Pryce wasn’t able to also make the final and run her best - seeing another 48mid in this race would’ve been epic
@stylicho2 ай бұрын
Why didn't Femke Bol run the 400 flat?
@yoqino2 ай бұрын
what happened to femke bol?
@rophiny2 ай бұрын
Why did she slow down?! She could have gone sub-48!
@daniloidong2 ай бұрын
Where's bol
@tottifreemanАй бұрын
2:28 is the race and analysis
@user-eu5hj8vz9o2 ай бұрын
Why didn't she run through the finish line? I don't get it.
@philmiller20102 ай бұрын
Just glad to see everyone get under SML 😂
@AlexSaurel2 ай бұрын
absolut scandal that we connot see a replay of the race, and after they say it was inclusing olympic but unless it is male or french participatns there is no video available!
@Xx-po1fu2 ай бұрын
I was shocked at Nickisha Pryce's not making the finals, I thought she had the best chance at beating Paulino and winning gold
@QuamfyMarc2 ай бұрын
No way fighting for Silver maybe otherwise bronze.
@seanogrady26292 ай бұрын
I assumed Femke Bol and Sydney McLaughlin would compete in this event in addition to the 400 hurdles. I guess I am wrong.
@maxscriptguru2 ай бұрын
Why did she pull up at the end? Dang it!! She could have gone under 48!
@DavidSmith-qk9ok2 ай бұрын
It’s sad that the Olympic champion in the women’s 400 is the 3rd fastest 400 meter runner in the world today. Syd and Femke could both smoke her.
@johnlironix21842 ай бұрын
Not true. Check out their PBs.
@daltonsmith97242 ай бұрын
Nikishaj had to beat the jinx of competing in the ncaa season, then the midsummer championship.
@nrmasson12 ай бұрын
Why wasn't Fenke Bol in this race?
@fbautista25652 ай бұрын
In your quest to find the next big white hope of sprinters, you have constantly put so much pressure on athletes like Matthew Boling, Abby Steiner, and now Femke Bol making it to the top. Leave these kids alone, and let them succeed without your hype.
@TheRealThrivalist2 ай бұрын
2:30 ❤❤❤
@vaulmoremack30722 ай бұрын
i wanna seee sydney mclaughlin run this sooo bad
@krslavin2 ай бұрын
Apparently Nickisha Pryce was hit by a stomach virus the day before her semifinal.
@2352anne2 ай бұрын
Where's the race?
@patrickmcginnis72 ай бұрын
Sydney could have Bronzed or better if they gave her lane 1.
@vuovdiii2 ай бұрын
you didn't say "after a fair start" 💔
@daltonsmith97242 ай бұрын
Luv di gal name Marledy.. She fine af and mi woulda deh wid har. Nost likely she's spoken for and i respect dat. Nuff luv my girl.
@patrickgallagher1652 ай бұрын
Nobody mentions the elephant in the room.
@josedelnegro462 ай бұрын
Femina Ferrea Equi❤❤❤❤
@carolhartley59822 ай бұрын
What are "whereabouts failures"?
@Mart-B2 ай бұрын
Athletes have an app to update drug testers on the general location they're located. In the space of 12 months they turned up to test her four times at the location provided, and she wasn't anywhere to be seen and they couldn't get in contact her. This is highly unusual for top athletes and it happened after she'd set the fastest 'clean' time in history, a time she ran despite it being her fifth race in five days.
@Mart-B2 ай бұрын
I should add that one of the four times the tester apparently knocked on the wrong door, and she claims to have had a flight cancelled for another one, but it's still very unusual. She's either very unlucky or a cheat.
@arathgomez6152 ай бұрын
@@Mart-BProbably the later since they tested her about 19 times before and after the championship, and came up clean every time. Had she been doping, it would have showed up in her system. Also her returning to the same form as before is pretty evident that she doesn’t need any “extra assistance .”
@Mart-B2 ай бұрын
@@arathgomez615 hahaha you don't know the first thing about juicing. You can take HGH and have it out of your system, in terms of being detectable, in a matter of hours. EPO and oral anabolic steroids can be out of your system in 24-48 hours. That's before you even factor in microdosing. But the gains you make from them in terms of bone density, muscle mass and endurance can last for months. If a tester turns up at the worst time in a cycle, you could just not answer the door and hope he comes back the next day. Which she essentially did 4 times in a year. That's extremely unusual. And the excuses she gave were clearly lies, they were laughable. All this while running the fastest 'clean' time in history. Then after her ban she did nothing for 16 months, she was running about sub-51, then the Olympics comes up and bam, in 6 weeks before she starts hitting 49 something and hits 48 something in the final. You have to be unbelievably naive to believe she's clean.
@SP-ro9nm2 ай бұрын
Bol should run 400 meter flat
@SuperHollywood809Ай бұрын
F. Bol wouldn't get a medal at París 2024, her personal best is 49.17 compared that time to Paulino time 48.17 that's a full second behind. An eternity on the track.
@TevitaTaunisila2 ай бұрын
Femke Bol???
@SuperHollywood809Ай бұрын
F. Bol wouldn't get a medal on the 400m flat, her best personal record is 49.17 that's too slow if u compared to Paulino time 48.17 that's a full second behind, that's an eternity on the track.
@aloknath98952 ай бұрын
47.60
@thomasjess59862 ай бұрын
More video, less talk.
@ronross97982 ай бұрын
Just give us the video of the race. No commentary. No history. No still shots. No explainations. Just a video of the race. Can find only your BS. It's unbearable.
@daniloidong2 ай бұрын
Where's bop
@Jack-px6pk2 ай бұрын
When is the men’s marathon in Paris time zone
@TotalRunningProductions2 ай бұрын
Sunday morning 9:00am Paris time.
@wilhelmw34552 ай бұрын
The men’s marathon starts at 8am on Saturday morning Paris time and the women’s marathon is on Sunday 8am Paris time according the World Athletics website.
@Jack-px6pk2 ай бұрын
@@TotalRunningProductions thanks
@CLOCKROOK2 ай бұрын
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@yerimelvalera73872 ай бұрын
🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴
@QuamfyMarc2 ай бұрын
Femke Bol was faster with 47.9s split. 😂
@XxAziCodxX12 ай бұрын
Was the floor wet when she ran?? no 😂 she would get dusted by Paulino any day of the week.
@neerajnongmaithem3922 ай бұрын
@@XxAziCodxX1obviously she even got dusted by 2 Americans in her main event. Femke fans be delusional
@faithfitness64342 ай бұрын
You have a running start on the 4x400 so the times are usually faster than when they have to accelerate from zero. Usually relay split times are about a second and some above their 400 flat times.
@XxAziCodxX12 ай бұрын
@@neerajnongmaithem392 exactly these people can’t have others have the glory without mentioning other athletes, like bruh.
@mysteriousdoge12982 ай бұрын
Relay splits are from running start... add about a second to that time to get what she would have run from blocks. Paullino smokes everybody in the world including Levrone & Bol at flat 400m & with ease
@nokoneko85852 ай бұрын
Orinpikkumedaru ga tokete iku‼ ️ sekaijū no medaru ga ima medaru o kan deru zo
@robinbauer19752 ай бұрын
Dominican Republic is central American North america are only Canada, USA, mexico…
@locholoco2 ай бұрын
no actual race was shown.. just a dude talking.. what a scam of video
@btwanonymous48012 ай бұрын
first (non bot)
@percyjohnny27292 ай бұрын
Saudi Arabia runner got Silver at least😮 !
@arathgomez6152 ай бұрын
Bahrain you mean?
@b52bomber232 ай бұрын
She won in 48:27 and Sydney ran her 400m leg in 47:77, the 3rd fastest time for a 400m leg😮 . If she switches to the flat 400, no one will be able to touch her . That’s ridiculous how talented Sydney is ❤
@jomerc2 ай бұрын
Let me teach you about track. The 400 relay means anyone else than the first leg gets a running start which means you are already running before the clock starts for your 400m part. If Sydney could win at the regular 400m she would have raced that race.
@stylicho2 ай бұрын
@jomerc didn't Bol beat that time from a dead start in the 400 flat? Why didn't Femke Bol run the 400 flat?