Wonder Woman vs. Captain America: The First Avenger - Marvel vs. DC At the Movie

Movies about guys named Steve destroying planes! My comparison of Wonder Woman (2017) and Captain America: The First Avenger.
I made an error, Rupert Gregson-Williams does the Wonder Woman score. Harry is his brother. I have no idea how I made that mistake, but it's there.
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All videos written, edited, and narrated by Robert Setlock, III unless otherwise stated.
#OrganizedChaos
#WonderWoman (2017)
Directed by: Patty Jenkins.
Written by: Allan Heinberg, Zack Snyder (story by), and
Jason Fuchs (story by), & William Moulton Marston (Wonder Woman created by).
Produced by: Jon Berg, Wesley Coller, Tommy Gormley, Geoff Johns, Stephen Jones, Curt Kanemoto, Charles Roven, Rebecca Steel Roven, Enzo Sisti, Deborah Snyder, Zack Snyder, & Richard Suckle.
Starring: Gal Gadot, Chris Pine, Connie Nielsen, Robin Wright, Danny Huston, David Thewlis, Saïd Taghmaoui, Ewen Bremner, Eugene Brave Rock, Lucy Davis, & Elena Anaya.
#CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger (2011)
Directed by: Joe Johnston.
Written by: Christopher Markus, Stephen McFeely, Joe Simon (comic book), & Jack Kirby (comic book).
Produced by: Victoria Alonso, Mitchell Bell, Stephen Broussard, Louis D'Esposito, Kevin Feige, Alan Fine, Nigel Gostelow, Joe Johnston, Stan Lee, David Maisel, & Richard Whelan
Starring: Chris Evans, Hayley Atwell, Sebastian Stan, Tommy Lee Jones, Hugo Weaving, Dominic Cooper, Richard Armitage, Stanley Tucci, Toby Jones, Neal McDonough, Derek Luke, Kenneth Choi, JJ Feild, Natalie Dormer, Jenna Coleman, David Bradley, Sophie Colquhoun, Amanda Righetti, & Samuel L. Jackson.
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[@tashidiaz8915]

As much as i love Chris Pine and his amazing eyes as all women do, i consider Hayley Atwell's Agent Carter to be the better love interest. You have to remember, Steve Travor fell in love with a demigoddess who looks like a supermodel, but Agent Carter fell for a sickly guy with no superpowers or good looks. Even in their first real conversation he talks about how he got beaten up behind every alley trying to fight off bullies and how he hasn't even talked to a beautiful woman before. She's seen him at his worst and fell in love with him while he was at his worst before he became Captain America. She might seem a bit aggressive but she was actually living and working in a man's world, in fact in military as a normal mortal woman.

[@1969Makaveli]

I like what you said here. She (Agent carter ) fell in love with Steve Rogers aka ( Captain America) cause of him being himself. Just him being just a regular guy, not some moncho muscle bound jerk, but a genuine fella. She saw that he had a good heart. So yeah i get what you`re saying.

[@Destyn2b]

Exactly! She fell in love with Steve Rogers, not Captain America.

[@SWTobito0702]

@@Destyn2b Wait, are you trying to make a point for or against Captain America?

[@tpsam]

Tash Diaz that's why he kissed her granddaughter shortly after her funeral Sorry I had to bring in some fun

[@Destyn2b]

@@SWTobito0702 Definitely #TeamCap!

[@justinh4576]

I still to this day think The First Avenger is THE underrated movie of phase 1 and I will defend that to my grave

[@so_lys_is]

Exactly!

[@sikalivalery143]

Preach man

[@jordansweet8054]

Completely agree. At least top ten MCU and more enjoyable for me than TWS. I know it's nuts but I enjoy the WW2 setting and the goofy humor. Wonder Woman is solid but the best DCEU movie still isn't great for me.

[@defencebangladesh4068]

Preach

[@NTropy13]

hear hear

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

Did I miss something or did you forget about Bucky as a supporting character? He was not only a Howling Commando, he was Steve's bestfriend. His impact on Steve iS immeasurable. Also, while I love WW, saying that she changed at the end but Steve remained almost the same is not really fair, since that is what makes Steve interesting in the first place; his will and moral compass being so strong, him being the best men among the others etc, that is why his stories are him making everyone better and elevating them. So him not changing is not a story-telling flaw, that is the dynamic of the character. Which makes Steve a better hero in my opinion, he is much more interesting. The message of WW is ruined in the third act anyways.

[@MisterShine1912]

Totally Agree!!! Cap is still the same little man that he was... and that is why I root for him the most... Even against Ironman

[@tashidiaz8915]

"When the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree by the river of truth, and tell the whole world 'No, You Move" this line from both Captain America movies and comics sums up his character very well. Captain America hasn't changed. He is still the classic Captain America. But America and the whole world changed around him while he remained the same.

[@Scott_34]

An interesting fact: dating back to ancient days, there is a story plot called the "admiration" plot, which introduces a protagonist and throws obstacles at him to overcome. Unlike the normal character arc, this plot doesn't require the hero to change their minds or develop as a person, and I think that it's no less effective as a story plot in that it grinds a character down and reveals just what kind of a person they are based on how they react to each test. Cap is a perfect example of this. In fact, each subsequent film in his trilogy turns up the heat as far as villains and moral dilemmas, which unites the entire series in a real cool way. On the other hand, Diana is actually a hybrid of that type of character and the normal one. She flips back and forth between being the character we admire and the character who we watch grow. Not that those can't be combined in a meaningful way, but I feel that the filmmakers were trying too hard to have their cake and eat it too, and it made WW confusing for me.

[@thudthud5423]

Agreed. Steve Rogers' steadfastness is what makes his character great. He was still a hero at heart, even when he was a short, scrawny guy. Dr. Erskine saw his potential. His character remained the same throughout the rest of the MCU right up to "Infinity War" when he told the Vision "We don't trade lives."

[@rawrisiloveuindinify]

Captain America’s character arc takes place over three of his films concluding full circle with his line in civil war “i Can do this all day” it symbolizes him still having the same values and character that he always had but went from being someone who was a patriot to a solider who distrusted his government and shield and turns into a criminal because he truly believes it is the right thing.

[@ichidoriyou7472]

Sorry but Steve Trevor fell in love in a super strong super model demigodess and Carter fell in love wth Steve Rogers no Captain America

[@jessemccree448]

Touché

[@g.j.mmakau8578]

There's no way a chick like Carter would ever consider a Pre-serum Rogers lol. His good body and action scenes allowed her to open up possible date. Trevor liked Diana and it doesn't matter that she was a super woman. Being with her literally is suicidal on both the battlefield and office (her telling off his bosses). Clearly he liked her a lot.

[@matthewcooper4248]

G.J.M Makau Too bad she did. Guess you didn't actually watch the movie. It's clear that she loves Steve. You just don't want her to. What's sad is that it's clear that you want to fuck her, but she's a fucking movie character.

[@Megatron2980]

Wonder woman didnt even have real fight scenes. Everything was CGI...FOH

[@NyxFTW]

@@DaudRotama Rogers didn't fall for Carter because of her looks, he only started getting impressed when she gut punched the mouthy soldier who catcalled her. Then Carter gained interest when he threw himself on a dummy grenade to protect the squadron. Hell, the entire car scene was about dating and how Rogers was alone due to his size. When she asked if he's never danced with a girl, she's not doing it to make conversation, she's clearly saddened to hear that no woman's looked at him until now. The whole point of the movie is about inner character. Rogers and Carter fell for each other because they're both genuinely good people who would do anything for their countries.

[@marcozolo3536]

Wonderwoman: The First Justice Leaguer

[@lysersalvador6116]

wtf

[@visioncr5132]

Lol

[@tric5122]

Marco gets it; WW was the only successful DCEU movie b/c it's a blatant ripoff of CA1A

[@dr.heinzdoofenshmirtz4463]

I am dead ,but i have 9 lives

[@Abhishek-tw8fr]

Imagine if that was the real title XD

[@oneslikeme]

Hayley Atwell's character had far more to do in her era than Chris Pine's character did in his. If you think Peggy is only an aggressive strong woman trope, you aren't looking hard enough. She wouldn't have gotten her own show if that was all she was. You also aren't seeing how the narrative for Steve sometimes overwhelms Diana's narrative.

[@javiersmith7027]

I agree. I remember being more interested in Carter, and being surprised how little she actually is in the movie.

[@USFLBoys]

Peggy Carter is my favorite female character in MCU and I think she is one of the best strong women characters out there.

[@kazumajay]

People still calls Chris Evans "captain" even on the outside world. You won't call Gal Gadot by the name of Diana. But people call Chris Evans Captain/Cap, that's how much of an impact he left on that role.

[@FoxyGuyHere]

People do not call Gal Gadot Diana but they do call her wonder woman. AND she has only had one movie, appeared in three. Cap has been in like 6 as a main character.

[@yoloco231]

Also, this compares the movies individual. Taking everything into account, Evans made much more impact AFTER Cap started being handled by the Russos, but if it depended only on the first movie, he would be more or less on par with Gal Gadot

[@shavitvini473]

Why would people call her "Diana" when her name is Gal? People don't call Chris "Steve", they call him cap and Gal gets called Wonder Woman

[@dr.heinzdoofenshmirtz4463]

I am not a girl ,but i want to kiss you , #nohomo

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@elladennis4072 What is 3?

[@stiw91]

Plus Steve’s real life name is actually both Chris

[@sophied1703]

right? they just keep popping up

[@nexieterithu1073]

Chrises are the best people to play a Steve anyways.

[@meko750]

Is it just me that thinks Cap’s theme is really memorable? I don’t know why, something about it just sticks with me.

[@tashidiaz8915]

it is so patriotic. It makes you feel patriotic. That's always a good feeling.

[@meko750]

Tash Diaz It makes me want to go out and punch Hugo Weaving in the face.

[@Katerine459]

Me too. I was watching this, thinking, "You (the video person) think that WW theme is more memorable?" Even if you think the WW theme is more stirring (which is up to personal taste), there's a big difference between "stirring" and "memorable." "Memorable," especially after a single listening, requires an easily-identifiable melody. The WW example we heard was mainly just a beat.

[@jonathans.2085]

For me, the whole trevor and WW thing was too cap1 for me. I did like the message of WW but I found the ending to Cap1 more memorable. Because this guy had it rough through and through. You feel bad for all the things that have happened to him.

[@Katerine459]

Jonathan S. Different definition of "theme." We're just talking about musical themes here. i.e. the score of the film. :) (or at least, I am. I figured this thread was in response to the video's (rather strange, given the examples it played) assertion that WW's score was more memorable than Cap's.)

[@nt9382]

An average marvel movie can still beat the best DCEU movie..... That's sad 😞

[@marcozolo3536]

Nivetha T and yet it didn't. Captain America was sub par and wonder woman was still the better movie any day

[@Andrea-oe8wq]

Nah captain america isn't even better than wonder woman

[@mariabenitez9439]

Captain America is way better than wonder woman

[@Andrea-oe8wq]

noob roblox no wonder womans more iconic and they are both equally popular

[@mathiyanz]

@@Andrea-oe8wq Captain America is definitely more known than her xD

[@ameenayahya5340]

I really like the video but I think Peggy is a better love interest than Steve, great job though

[@ameenayahya5340]

@surfitlive I meant Steve as in Diana's love interest

[@villain_mlbblover8848]

I really like ur comment but I think WW villains are better and have better intentions on their actions, great job though

[@CaptainYeet16]

I think Captain America is the better hero. He is a small man that has known weakness all his life, and doesn't really know what to do with his new-found superpowers. He discovers what war is actually like when he hears about Bucky's imprisonment, and saves all those men. Not because he came to stop the war like Wonder Woman, but to do his part. He is humble and doesn't change through the movie, because he is an already developed character. You know what he stands for in the first few scenes of the movie, even without the muscles to back it up. I don't really know that much about Wonder Woman, (only seen the movie once) but I do know that Steve Rogers is the better hero, simply because he finally has the opportunity to help other people, he wants to stick up for all the little guys being oppressed by the bully called Hydra. ...............Do I sound like a Captain America fan yet? XD

[@OrganizedChaos14]

That was probably the closest catagory.

[@ghost245353]

Sounds very similar to the Wonder Woman movie.

[@victorebell7383]

Agreed. Really, the best of Steve Rogers' character development comes from Winter Soldier and Civil War, rather than from the First Avenger. The First Avenger is actually strengthened by this, as the point of the movie was to show a man remain pure and uncorrupted by power. Might have would have worked better by giving the character development to the antagonist by showing someone with initially good ideals falling to corruption, but of course no one wants to go there with Nazi collaborators.

[@jonathans.2085]

One of the issues I have with Cap in the MCU, even though hes one of my favorite heroes in the MCU is that hes kinda a flat character. I also feel like they couldve explored more with Captain America but I digress. His costume in Avengers 1 was terrible btw and I still dont buy the whole civil war conflict. Cap, this isnt Hydra, why are you going rouge?!

[@victorebell7383]

He went rogue because they were on the clock. Back when he was under the assumption that Zemo's endgame was a supersoldier suicide squad, he knew that there was no way that they would be able to catch Zemo before he disappeared again if they complied with Ross. Their one advantage was that they knew where Zemo was going to be next, and they knew that if they wasted time trying to explain the situation to Ross and getting approval from the U.N., they would lose that advantage. This was touched on near the beginning of the film when Cap expressed his concern "what if there's some place we need to go, and they won't let us?" In the end, they came to the (probably correct) conclusion that pushing past the other half other the Avengers would consume less time than waiting for the bureaucrats to reach a consensus, so that's what they did. Not saying that movie was perfect, but if anyone's actions made little sense in the movie, it was Tony's, not Cap's. Wanting to punch Bucky in the face a couple of times would be understandable, but Tony was straight up trying to murder him. Also I have no idea what Vision was doing during the airport fight. I would say Scarlet Witch was keeping him at bay, as she's the only one who could, but there's several scenes showing her assisting other Avengers, so where was he? Just floating around waiting for his chance to break someone's spine?

[@goodsonicfan5016]

I prefer Captain America the First Avenger.

[@furiousmax0779]

This comment ^^^^^

[@abirdutta3572]

I think this guy is a dc fan (trader)

[@abirdutta3572]

Hey

[@mrflippyfish6868]

@@abirdutta3572 Marvel better

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

wonder woman is a miles better movie

[@yay4andy620]

The Howling Commandos only got a couple of lines each, and while they were good, you were right to say they didn't amount to much. But Wonder Woman's allies had a lot more screen time and back story, and yet didn't change as people or make big decisions, and were basically discarded at the end of the film.

[@tashidiaz8915]

At least Howling Commandos got a chance to shine in Agent Carter tv series.

[@issacalleyne8665]

Well, Dugan did anyway

[@JeffreyHeesch]

Yep. Totally agree. What's the point in setting up an arc that you're never going to pay off?

[@robinthrush9672]

While it sounds mean, it's proved by lines used in this video. A Native American in Europe as a trader just to talk about Europeans taking his people land and a Moroccan guy who says he's the wrong color to be in theater.

[@mexicantimberwolf]

What's proven?

[@IndecisiveJR]

I find both films to be pretty average. The 3rd act honestly ruined Wonder Woman's message though. Captain America First Avenger is a better made film.

[@pureblackfire511]

it's kind of reverse with these two. terrible first act for TFA (my opinion, first 30 minutes are hard to watch) and terrible last 30 minutes in WW that indeed undermine the heroe's journey and the apparent message of the film.

[@antona.1327]

The First Avenger has some of the worst green screen I've seen in an MCU movie. And it completely loses the point in storytelling when that stupid montage starts.

[@swanpride]

What are you talking about? TFA does a great job in the first two acts, too, it's the third act where it slightly falters because it rushes through so many events to get Cap in the ice but unlike Wonder Woman it actually manages to stay consistent with its themes and delivers a big punch in the very end.

[@antona.1327]

swanpride, its first act is barely decent. The moment he puts on the first Captain America suit was the moment the movie took a deep dive. Not only does it make no sense (no one would've allowed Steve Rogers go on with his life like this; he's a governmental property from now), but it wastes our time. It could've been used for something much more interesting than that. And then that whole "brocomandos montage" happens, and that's when the movie dies for me. The First Avenger is one of the least compelling origin stories in the superhero movie genre. It's no Batman Begins.

[@satkirankaur550]

@@antona.1327 Either Newspaper headlines, Newsreel footage or a montage was necessary to convey the passage of time and progress of the war from 1943 - 1945. Most movies tend to be based on events that take place in a shorter space of time ranging from days, weeks or months. These can be easier to depict without the need to condensing the the time frame. Do you think events in the first Iron Man movie took place over a two year period or those in Thor? What about The Mission Impossible movies? Captain America the first Avenger needed to highlight how Cap and his team took the fight to Hydra without having to detail every mission. Wonder Woman on the other hand had only to relate the shorter time frame from when she left Paradise Island to fight in the war which was then in its closing stage with the armistice to end the war being openly discussed.

[@arimagiiik3214]

Are you kidding me?! The Captain America theme is so incredibly memorable! It fits the character perfectly and is so much better than Wonder Woman!

[@mihneaiordan1813]

Yeah but Steve Trevor is not the protagonist

[@jamesthejoker7415]

The Wonder Woman theme is more impactful and thus, I like it more, but I agree it doesn’t suit the character of Wonder Woman in the First World War. It’s badass though.

[@paulc2335]

Have to disagree with you on that one.

[@Skidouche]

tbh captain america came first, wonder woman much later. This means that the producers of WW really kinda knew what to do while CA was kinda still stepping on fresh soil.

[@birdoclock8736]

Skidush which is why people will give it slack honestly if it came out now people wouldn’t really like you don’t have to believe me but that’s probably right

[@hydrolito]

The stories were both written in 1941 with some changes for the movies.

[@nutsfromberserk247]

@@hydrolito even in 1941 cap came first

[@risky_busine55]

tbh i would have liked WW more if it didnt thematically contradict itself. its a story of her realising that sometimes its not as simple as kill one guy and stop the war. then that's what happens. also the quitting being WW makes no sense in context

[@aarondx3764]

M K Also Diana is an idiot.

[@thesoloplayer7685]

Also she was fighting THE GOD OF WAR!! And she defeated him too WTF?

[@noonesarino7913]

@@thesoloplayer7685 Well you know He might be weaken

[@godzillakaijuboy]

Well, Snyder kind of screwed it up

[@paulc2335]

I don't think so. Steve Trevor tried to convince her it wasn't that simple, and she never bought it.

[@marcovi2806]

The First Avenger is underrated

[@cydra-evolution5623]

@Hyun Dong Lee Stfu

[@swanpride]

A badass one.

[@dogsareweird1412]

Yep

[@mrdumbboy3362]

In my book the First Avenger is 2nd to Iron Man, it’s just iconic at this point

[@bikassingh5123]

@Ja'mon Overton time to take out the r/whoooooser twenty million again

[@tashidiaz8915]

Captain America theme is so patriotic and epic so it paired with "i want you for U.S Army" poster made me want to join the US army. And i'm not even American. It's the Wonder Woman theme that is forgettable. I just heard it a second ago when i started writing comment and i can't remember it now.

[@sophied1703]

my god neither can i you're right

[@BeeCFxD]

finally someone who speaks english

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

The theme for Cap's movie fits him even if it wasn't the most rememberable marvel theme. If you listened to Wonder Women's theme without knowing where it comes from....could you even guess?

[@hydrolito]

It remind me of Scenes from Star Ship Troopers with advertisements to join the military. To make people aware of cheesy propaganda and not trying to get people to join the Army.

[@ravnitesanchez6183]

Same.

[@tesnacloud]

I may be one of the few people out there who doesn't actually like Wonder Woman's theme song. It is strong electric metal, but that doesn't seem to fit the character. Her theme needs a classical element, in my opinion.

[@saveourearth4050]

There are almost 5 theme.If you talking about the fight scene theme will its fit so well.

[@sacredlunatic]

I can't believe you discussed the score and didn't mention the War Bonds shows montage sequence from Captain America. THAT song alone, for it's period authenticity and basic quality, is better than anything in Wonder Woman by FAR. "He's strong and brave, here to save the American Way!"

[@thudthud5423]

I like that vintage styled them and that scene. Some might call it corny, but it seems very realistic for the story. The idea of the of him raising warbonds as well as a public face and the USO giving Steve Rogers a "Flash Gordonish" type of costume that, through circumstance turned into his Captain America uniform was a brilliant one. The only other superhero in the MCU (besides the flashy hot rod Iron Man armor that met Tony Stark's personality) is Spider-Man's and Peter Parker got his "underoos" from Tony Stark. (Peter's original outfit was very primitive as seen in the KZbin video Tony showed him.) I don't want to drag this side comment out too much, but the fact that the Capt. America uniform in the "Avengers" seemed so cheesy, by comparison to his other uniforms was that it was designed and chose in-story by the Agent Coulson character who was a fan of Cap's and that the best image he had of Capt. America was that he had from the trading cards which had his USO uniform.

[@MisterShine1912]

Wonder Woman's theme is BADASS... But Man...... Captain America's theme makes me cry...... and thus for me.. Captain America wins Btw.. Amazing video man...

[@Ariston-pr9lj]

Captain america theme is so patriotic, like extremely patriotic.

[@pointlessgarbage8587]

Dan 14 thats the point, it conveys his character wayyy better. Though WW’s is more memorable but idk if you heard it outside that movie which superhero would you think it would be for

[@Ariston-pr9lj]

@@pointlessgarbage8587 Ik, that's why I prefer CA:FA theme, it shows how patriotic he is.

[@Ariston-pr9lj]

@@pointlessgarbage8587 also, people say that CA:FA theme is not memorable but I can still remember the theme exactly

[@jonathans.2085]

That ending is so sad... for cap1

[@damianloke2510]

The funny thing is that Captain America is an older movie and still it is better.

[@gingerale7729]

I liked wonder woman more

[@EricLing64]

It also had less to work with initially. Wonder Woman briefly appeared in BvS so they could thread in at least a few points about her, even if it was sort of retconned later maybe. Captain America was a story that was built on itself with no help beforehand except a brief shield joke in Iron-Man 2, and of course the connected MCU wasn't quite a super hit yet, successful yes but not Avengers successful, yet. And the hype per movie was the opposite, people expected boy scout Steve Rogers and mostly got that, far more success with Winter Soldier of course. Many people had high expectations for Wonder Woman and I guess it met them except for the villain and stuff.

[@Noobmaster-nb7cr]

The age of a movie doesn't really matter, but I do agree that captain america is easily the better movie.

[@SoupDumpling_]

He's still skinny.

[@marcozolo3536]

And yet it isn't. I didn't like the first cap, the 2nd one was better and the 3rd one was the most expensive one but it didn't improve on the story at all, it just meant the visuals alone sold the movie worldwide

[@BruvahSulaiman]

I must stop Ares. It will end all the fighting on Earth. Kills fake Ares and the fighting continues. Learns from Steve that it isn't as simple as stopping a bad guy. Steve commits suicide even though he could've simply told WW to do what he did and she would've survived. WW Kills Ares without breaking a sweat. The fighting stops immediately. Fast forward to present day and there is plenty of fighting still going on. There isn't even any rationale behind why Ares revealed himself to WW. She had absolutely no idea who he was. She literally believed that she had already killed him which means no one on the planet was looking for him at all. She couldn't even have stopped the war without killing him. He could have simply sat back and watched her give up on mankind while he continued to get stronger from all the fighting.

[@quietman208]

MG23 I guess he revealed himself just to go “fuck you amazon im here”

[@BruvahSulaiman]

@@quietman208 Movie would've been 10x better if he had recruited some Amazons to help him and we could've gotten a real fight scene or 2 of her fighting in less of a Dragon Ball Z type of fight.

[@1969Makaveli]

Wow interesting point.

[@kaizoisevil]

And the outcome would have been the same because Steve would have still sacrificed himself.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

I've never seen a superhero film fuck up its message so massively than in the 3rd act of Wonder Woman

[@stanklepoot]

I have to disagree with you on the comrades in arms section. Chris Pine was great as Steve Trevor, but I never really felt the rest of the group. Yes, they each get a little backstory, but why? What does it add to the rest of the movie? Personally, I think they could have cut them out entirely and spent that time giving us more Diana and Steve. The Howling Commandos on the other hand add some character and attitude to the movie, without distracting from the main focus of the film. Oh, and while I don't think the fact that both movies had a character named Steve who heroically crashed a plane makes them an obvious comparison (The fact that they're both Superhero origin stories set in a World War is a much better point of comparison), if you're going that route, lean all the way into it. Both movies have a character named Steve played by a guy named Chris heroically crashing planes to save a lot of lives at the end of the movie.

[@ThrawnSr]

WW is basically the start of Thor and the end of Captain America. Super beings living in isolation (Asgard/Themyscira), the story of the hero (Thor/WW) growing up, disobeying their ruler (Odin/Hippolyta). Then switch to Captain America, the hero (Cap/WW) joins forces with others (howling commandos/bunch of misfits) during a war (WW1/WW2) to fight the hidden big bad (red skull/ares). They seemingly lose their closest ally (Bucky/Steve Trevor). Then cut to the present day (Times Square/Paris). Having said that I enjoyed all 3 films.

[@sreyananduri9047]

Oh my god. That's exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for writing it down.

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

@@sreyananduri9047 Or that's just the origin of the character in the comics that was written many years before Cap Americas origin or thors.

[@markamanic]

imo, Cap is the better character. He doesn't have an arc per se, but overall is a much more compelling person than wonder woman.

[@jimbrown5091]

I never got past a being that's lived on earth for 1000's of years, speaks many languages, but has almost no practical knowledge of human beings. Like they never snuck off the island to spy on contemporary humans?

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

moron really. such a dumb comment.everyone asks for comic book accuracy, you get a comic book accurate origin, then criticize the movie for being comic accurate.

[@jamesthejoker7415]

Take that up with whoever wrote the first Wonder Woman comic, not Patty Jenkins’ film.

[@jimbrown5091]

No.

[@jamesthejoker7415]

Alright.

[@maulana_clan]

A soldier named Steve, played by an actor named Chris, sacrifices himself in a plane in a World War. Both movies have this, lol. 🤣

[@kadefambrough2650]

You've given Wonder woman a little too much love. The theme from Captain America the first avenger is super rememberable and when they hinted at it in infinity war I freaked out. Wonder woman's theme is good but feel forced and too loud like it should almost be on a different character

[@LymphNode125]

at which point was it in infinity war

[@satkirankaur550]

@Snehil ShreyI believe it was the moment Steve stepped from the shadows after catching Proxima Midnight's weapon. As a major Cap fan it gives me a buzz everytime I hear it. From the First Avenger to the scene in Avengers when Loki's troops attack Cap when he is trying to help Iron Man restart the Helicarrier engines or in the Winter Soldier when Steve repeatedly laps Sam Wilson in the beggining. The music captures the bold heroic nature of Cap and should I believe have been used more repeatedly to become as recognizably iconic as John Williams Superman, Indiana Jones or Star Wars themes.

[@jonathans.2085]

@@satkirankaur550 thats actually the Avengers theme song BUT it was composed by the same person that made the Cap1 theme which is also memorable. WW theme is pretty good too tho

[@Comicchil]

I agree Cap’s theme will go down as one of the most memorable. Wonder a Woman’s theme song was irritating and annoying. I knew someone who had it as a ringtone and I wanted to throw their phone out the window.

[@toracabey93]

Wonder Woman's theme song is chaotic, feels like it should be in like Sucker Punch or Tank Girl or the like. It doesn't evoke any feelings of excitement because it doesn't feel like her. She's too cool almost for this music.

[@swanpride]

Round 1: Point for Marvel. Chris Evans is not just the better actor, he also gets the better material to work with when it comes to establishing the character. From the "nope" scene, to the "I can do it all day" scene, to the "Mulan" scene, to the "jumping on the bomb" scene, to him slightly smiling seeing himself on screen, the movie does a way better job establishing the character than with Wonder Woman, who mostly just stands there and looks dramatic. And what they do with her so called character development doesn't make any sense. She has read a lot and knows many languages and yet she doesn't really know anything about human nature and human life? Not even what a man and a woman do with each other? What kind of books has she read in which none of this is ever mentioned? In any case though, saying that Cap doesn't have "character development" is a dishonest measurement, because that is not the point of his movie. The First Avenger is about him showing proving himself to the world and to change it into something better. Him sticking to his guns no matter what is exactly what makes Cap such a great character. Round 2: Point for Marvel. The Red Skull might not be the best villain around, but at least his design is memorable and he makes more sense than CGI Ares. Round 3: I am not sure if everyone getting a backstory in Wonder Woman is really a plus. More isn't necessarily better. The main reason why I am inclined to give this point to Marvel is because NONE of the characters are in any way weak and they all do exactly what is needed for the story instead of kind of taking away the story from the hero. I am looking at you Chris Pine. Round 4: Yeah, way to go missing all what The First Avenger has to say about WWII nostalgia and war propaganda. But yeah, it does a way better job doing what it set itself out to do, while Wonder Woman undercuts its own themes in the third act. Point to Marvel. Round 5: I don't think that this is an easy point for DC at all. You can't just ignore the goofiness which is the third act, and I think that The First Avenger does a really good just transforming actual comic book panels into its action scenes. Not to mention the goofiness which are Wonder Woman's combat scenes, in which people leave their save advantage point just so that they can be killed as dramatic as possible, or attacker are just standing around waiting for their partners to get taken out instead of taking advantage of the opportunity. Wonder Woman has one or two really great moments, but the action overall is extremely flawed, not just in the way it is staged, but also in the way it is shot. When it is great, it is great, but I don't think one can just wave away all time times when it isn't. Round 6: No, I am not like you. I lovelovelove the Captain America theme. It captures the character perfectly. And let's not forget the "Man with a Plan" song from Alan Menken. Genius, still think that he should have gotten an academy award nomination for this one. The Wonder Woman theme, well, it sticks out, but I don't quite get how it is even connected to the character. The Captain America score does a waaaay better job to underline the mood of the scenes and to elevate them at the right places. Point goes to Marvel. Round 7: Yeah...the CGI is terrible in Wonder Woman. The First Avenger has this great sepia tone over everything, which gives it this nostalgic feel. Well, it is 6 clear points for the Marvel and one maybe for DC from me. Sorry, but while Wonder Woman is easily the best of the DCEU movies, The First Avenger might be the most underrated of the MCU movies. It easily beats out Wonder Woman due to being a more thought-out work with only one weakness, which is the need to rush through the actual WWII battles in order to get Cap into the ice as fast as possible. This is evened out, though, but what might be one of the most gut-punch endings of the MCU.

[@satkirankaur550]

swanpride what you describe as "the rush through the actual WWII battles in order to get Cap into the ice as fast as possible" were a necessary device. The movie could not cover in depth the multitude of missions that Cap and his team must have undertaken during the war. Compare that with the 1990 Captain America movie which basically had him on ice after his first and only wartime mission. By limiting his wartime activities to such a degree that movie never gave Cap a chance to become the inspirational national hero he should have been. This was compounded by the fact that there wasn't even any evidence of public awareness of him. As someone whose interest in World War II history was largely sparked by Captain America comics, I would have prefered a depiction closer to actual history in CA:TFA. However it did convey the passage of time from Cap being a propaganda symbol in the public eye to becoming an active super-soldier on numerous missions in a coherent manner.

[@icefrout]

I agree. I love the "Captain America March" and "The Star-Spangled Man With a Plan" and regularly listen to them on KZbin.

[@swanpride]

I am kind of glad that they stayed away from the actual history. It is both too horrifying for this kind of movie and it would be a little bit insulting to basically have Cap win the war in lieu of the soldiers who actually did it. It's was better to focus on his fight against Hydra imho.

[@swanpride]

The Captain America march is called "Triumphant return". I also love how it is used in The Winter Soldier again and then juxtaposed with "Take a Stand".

[@marcozolo3536]

swanpride omg the fanboyism is strong in you. Chris Evans is not a strong actor, please pull your head in kiddo

[@Agent_3141]

The first avenger came out in 2011, and I still hum the theme

[@thakidreese6043]

Captain America : The First Avenger has a better score. @organized chaos

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

The theme for Cap's movie fits him even if it wasn't the most rememberable marvel theme. I still love it. If you listened to Wonder Women's theme without knowing where it comes from....could you even guess?

[@khrisfuentespina7030]

Remember that Steve Trevor fell in love with a supermodel looking demigoddess while Peggy Carter fell in love with an unhealthy skinny man aspiring to join the military. That only overthrows Steve Trevor's character as to who's the better love interest. Peggy Cartet definitely has the point.

[@hydrolito]

I'd compare Peggy Carter to Diana and Steve Trevor to Steve Rogers in that instants as Steve Trevor was weak compared to the Amazons and Steve Rogers compared to any regular soldiers.

[@tomgaffney4779]

captain america trilogy has the best of the mcus scores besides guardians of the galaxy and antman

[@craigwagner801]

Both are good, but I still prefer Captain America.

[@CPmuddle27]

I think WW would have been a way better movie if it was discovered Ares didn't exist/wasn't a factor and that humanity was simply not good in nature

[@politereminder6284]

The Story writer Zach Snyder has one preach point in all his DC movies. " We must kill all the gods" . He forces Ares into this movie just so he can make that very point.

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

Eh, I think Peggy Carter beats out Steve Trevor.

[@chrisp.9385]

No, She would even like Steve if he wasn't muscular but steve sacrificed himself for diana

[@xzr2194]

Chris P. Lmao she liked him before he was muscular 😂, maybe stop being biased and watch the movie

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

I agree that Cap 1 is the superior movie, but I did enjoy wonder woman. though, when I was watching the film, there were so many things that were similar to Cap that it became distracting at times. the third act in wonder woman was ruined by having Ares exist and the war simultaneously end like the humans came out of a trance or spell after he is defeated. It left a plot hole where the humans still wage war even though the god of war, the causer of all wars to escalate, was defeated. she also didn't participate in the second world war, and likely won't participate in anything major untill her nemisis Cheetah shows up in the 1980s (thats in the sequel), so it paints wonder woman as naive in that the war to end all wars actually ended all wars. I actually wanted Ares to be make believe, or like the boogie man, or to have a bit of ares dispersed into every man to explain human's natural instinct for war, as it would have settled Wonder woman in reality and disillusioned her to the apparent "goodness" of man. but his apparent realness was all it took for me to dislike the third act.

[@mon_nobi]

Lol what reasoning is that for him to exist? It was a dumb choice that essentially ruined not only the third act, but the entire message of the movie. Had he not been real, or had been real but explained that the instinct for war was innate in the humans and not of his doing, then the movie would have been MUCH MUCH better and with a more satisfying conclusion. Also why even kill off one of her greatest foes in her first film? Seems like the writers got bored/tired and saw they were short for time so just threw out random ideas to be done with it.

[@JediLadyMisty]

My sister and I discussed this and said that Ares probably should have been drawn to war but not an instigator of wars and have him tell Diana that the humans bring about war themselves from anything to hate to greed.

[@thudthud5423]

I agree with the similarities distractions. I didn't notice them that much until I bought the Bluray. While I like the movie, after watching the Bluray, I got a little irritated and I don't think I watched it again.

[@politereminder6284]

Ares is there so Zach Snyder can make the point he makes in all his movies " we must kill all the gods."

[@pradipsinhrana7319]

Am i the only one who thought he was gonna compare Bucky and Steve Trevor in the Love Interest Section?.... Yes? Okay

[@tashidiaz8915]

why would he? bucky wasn't the love interest. He was the best friend. Maybe you should watch the movie again?

[@bryanp9878]

Tash Diaz r/wooosh

[@pradipsinhrana7319]

@@tashidiaz8915 it was a joke

[@Oscar_Wednesday]

I know this was a joke but ... did i just miss him comparing bucky to ANYONE at all? I would have even taken sidekick with other Steve.

[@ashwinshetty1598]

There's no room for us Stucky shippers I guess XD

[@darppronce]

The fact Captain America never changes is part of his character. He always had the heart of a hero, that's why Doctor Erskin says "Whatever happens tomorrow you must promise me one thing; that you will stay who you are, not a perfect soldier but a good man." The only thing he needed was the power to do the right thing.

[@AlexLopezMan]

Cap's production value is superior, for a 2011 movie still holds up, while WW blue hue filter looks already dated. to me the only good on WW is Pine/Gadot chemistry, also the idea of WW facing that mankind war nature, can't be fix by killing one guy, until CGI fest start and she kill one guy, while Steve Trevor is doing the real brave act and I hate the overuse on slowmo.

[@kSubsWithoutAVideo-sx2jd]

Captain America: The First Avenger is an underrated movie But it was awesome

[@SilverbladeDagger]

I worked in a comic shop for nearly 10 years, and the fanboys always had debates about which is better, DC or Marvel. Simply put, there is a big difference between the two. For Marvel, it boils down to real life characters rising above themselves to be the character name. Peter Parker is always Peter Parker, but steps up to be Spider-man. Steve Rogers is always Steve Rogers, but he steps up to be Captain America. The persona they become is not their everyday persona, yet they are always the non-super powered being they always were in personality and character, the abilities that change them is an after thought. They have to pretend to be Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, etc. As characters, they are usually set apart from other human beings, often with story lines where they are demonized, such as the mutants in X-Men, but all super beings are in most ways are looked down on by the people at large. Often because of the damage their fights incur. Not always, but most times. For DC, it is the opposite. Bruce Wayne is always Batman and he pretends to be Bruce Wayne. He was transformed into the Dark Knight the night his parents were shot. Superman is always Superman, and has to pretend to be Clark Kent. Wonder Woman is always Princess Diana, always Wonder Woman, but pretends to be Diana Prince. They are looked at like gods, beings put on a pedestal by the people at large, and people usually look up to them, especially when in danger. Marvel's characters tend to be the most relate-able, since they live in the same world we do, act like us, have the same issues as us, and we can transport ourselves into their characters with those very human issues they face. DC characters are less relate-able, because they are always superpowered or their abilities are out of our reach, but they exist more as morality tales or parables on which we can relate to. In the rare times when DC characters are genuinely human, we can relate to them, but most times they are beyond what every day people can be. In some ways, they are the perfect versions of humanity, and are the idealized beings. This sets them apart from us. There are always exceptions to these general differences of course, but for the most part this is what the major differences are. So it isn't exactly right to compare Captain America to Wonder Woman. A lot of people can relate to bullies but not the naivete of coming from and living on an island of all women (wouldn't that be nice).

[@hydrolito]

Actually Peter Parker becomes a show off shortly after getting his powers as he beats a Professional Wrestler. So he also beats Flash Thompson he merely pretends he the meek guy after he saw what happened to Uncle Ben.

[@raisinbran1421]

I mean both marvel and DC have a lot of CGI it’s just that when marvel has it you’ll think 90% of it is real and 10% is noticeable but when DC has it, it’s just looking at cinematic cutscenes for a video game

[@CaptainYeet16]

I think you compare the wrong parts of the movies to each other at the sound part. You compare an action scene soundtrack of Wonder Woman to a non-action scene soundtrack of Captain America.

[@OrganizedChaos14]

I'm pointing out where the soundtracks had their strengths.

[@CaptainYeet16]

Organized Chaos ah that wasnt totally clear. Then I kinda agree with you on that category. They are both awesome

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

He was comparing the main themes. It just so happened that CA used it in a non- action scene, and WW used it in an action scene.

[@CaptainYeet16]

Anthony Villanueva yeah as I said that wasnt really clear to me. But I also think that the Captain America theme is more memorable because its also used in the other Captain America movies. But thats unfair to Wonder Woman because she has only one movie. But I was pretty salty about the score and wanted to argue against it, because I really like the theme😅

[@zomish13]

A few more of those points I would have given to the First Avenger.

[@tashidiaz8915]

Yeah, i mean where are the points for Bucky? That's one character and his relationship they developed in this movie that paid off big in both Winter Soldier and Civil War.

[@zomish13]

@@tashidiaz8915 exactly. Bucky became the focal point of two movies. Also CA should get points for being first. When he talks about the stories and they got so many beats that are similar which he pointed out repeatedly, but one came out 6 years before, that has to be noticed.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

I wold also said Captain America is the better hero. He literally is the definition of heroic. While Captain America doesn't go through much change, thats kinda the point, and his arc is still amazing. Wonder Woman is amazing, and a supernatural being who completely dominates the fight. Captain America is not as powerful in strength, but in courage, spirit, and heroics, Captain America is much better. Wonder Woman is my favorite DCEU hero and Captain America is my favorite MCU hero. But Cap just has a clear straightforward relatable personality and Wonder Woman was a bit hard to relate to. Also I think Cap was more heroic as he made (or meant to make) the ultimate sacrifice and the plane scene when he was on the line with Peggy was heartbreaking. Wonder Woman meanwhile abandons humanity, to be fair, she had good reason in her mind, and her comrade makes the sacrifice and she kills the villain. I like Cap better.

[@kylacaswell177]

The historical inaccuracies of Wonder Woman drove me nuts. If your want WWII level tech just put it in WWII not WWI.

[@linusstorvik4411]

Captain America is a lot better than wonder woman as a hero. (My opinion)

[@dogsareweird1412]

True

[@catheeespejon6451]

What made captain America famous is by this two lines: "I can do this all day" "I have a date"

[@fredtheshoev1254]

I have been humming the Captain America theme for five weeks now, even though I haven’t seen the movie in a year. I have already forgotten the Wonder Woman theme.

[@allanfrd]

That was a tight race but the winner is the better... In the end WW is just a nice copy of The First Avenger.

[@hydrolito]

They both copied The Shield that came before either.

[@hydrolito]

They are both copies of early character called the Shield thats dressed in red, white and blue and Cap also copies Captain Buck Rogers where you get the names Captain, Bucky and Steve Rogers however Wonder Woman also copies Captain Marvel but instead of power of gods and heroes replaced with gods and goddesses although that isn't mentioned in the movie. Buck rogers was frozen and wakes up approx., 500 years later while Steve Rogers is Frozen and wakes up years later just not near as many.

[@MateusAntonioBittencourt]

I do enjoyed Wonder Woman more than Captain America. But what you said in the end holds very true. The best DCU has to offer is as good as a mid-low Marvel Movie. I truly hope DC kills this DCU after Aquaman and start anew.

[@sadgemeister3321]

aquaman might not have killed DCEU but it was a great movie shazam killed DC and DCEU itself later on

[@neuralink7018]

Honestly Captain America's theme is so memorable I think

[@Noobmaster-nb7cr]

The terrible third act of Wonder Woman kind of ruined the movie for me, I still liked the movie but this easily goes to captain america. I don't think Wonder Woman is the best DCEU movie, I think that point should go to batman vs superman or man of steel.

[@jonathans.2085]

I agree. I thought Batman V Superman was the most entertaining of all the DC movies in the DCEU. But even then, the film was kinda a mess

[@mexicantimberwolf]

Man of Steel would have to be the next best movie in the DCEU. None of the other movies really survived the inherent problems of trying to build a whole universe in a few movies in a clunky manner.

[@Noobmaster-nb7cr]

Bradyn Kerr I haven't seen Man of Steel in a long time

[@JamesHealeyTX]

I prefer Captain America as a superhero film and Wonder Woman as just a film. Wonder Woman feels more like a standalone film that works by itself. The First Avenger leaves on a footnote designed to lead into the Avengers.

[@ForgettableWill]

Honestly I still hum the captain American the first avenger theme because I actually really enjoyed it

[@whiterabbit75]

As far as visuals go, Captain America looked and felt like the 40's. Wonder Woman didn't really capture the feel of the teens. It almost felt like it was also set in the 40's, instead of WWI.

[@javiersmith7027]

The very best thing to come from not only DCEU but from all of comic movies is the Wonder Woman theme. That is literally my favorite thing ever.

[@JordanBlueman]

I've been watching these videos all evening and this one is the first one where I have a disagreement. The Captain America score is PHENOMENAL. Not only does the melody evoke warmth and power. But also the entire score feels like music out of movies from the 40's. It adds to the feeling of the movie. So much so that I occasionally forget it's a modern film when I'm listen to the WW2 era marches Silvestri creates in the movie. The Wonder Woman melody is badass. But to me, the melody itself is the only thing about the score of that movie that stands out. The rest is very good, but not notable, as someone who listens to these soundtracks all the time without the movie.

[@McBrisket]

Ima be honest, the only supporting character I really remember from Wonder Woman is the love interest

[@magnusflodberg6162]

Am I seriously the only one that can't stand the WW theme? I just feel as if it's taking over and "forcing" me to find something epic. A good soundtrack should enhance what you are feeling, not "force" you to feel it. And for me it sure as sh*t doesn't enhance anything.

[@charlenek11]

I hated it. It sounds whiny. Although it sure is memorable, I'll give it that.

[@magnusflodberg6162]

@@charlenek11 Memorable for all the wrong reasons though, imo.

[@magnusflodberg6162]

@SpankMeSanta I don't remember, I only watched the movie once, and I don't plan to do it again. That doesn't change my opinion on it though. I have said the same thing about it since BvS, granted some of my detest for it might stem from that movie where it certainly beat your head in with "listen to this, this is so epic, she is jumping though the dark swirling smoke!!!"...gaaah!

[@swanpride]

You aren't.

[@royroo4751]

The WW theme indeed felt a bit forced like it's supposed to make you feel how awesome WW is. Captain America's theme felt more soothing to me, almost like as if it makes you feel how Cap feels. Righteousness and all that stuff.

[@or_p5376]

Wonder woman's theme: Is it memerable? Yes Do i like it? No, so annoying to listen to

[@sophie-dd9ql]

No joke I actually fell asleep during WW

[@McBrisket]

Honestly, I forgot Wonder Woman had a theme

[@Chris-fj4wn]

The first avenger is better than every dceu film.

[@gojiking5456]

I feel like Wonder Woman's theme is indeed memorable. The guitar strums do the job... but at the same time, it was only fun the first few times. Because, after a while, the blaring notes from the guitar became less badass and more of a nuisance. Because, I was expecting the loud blaring of the same old notes repeated over and over. While the The First Avenger theme seems somewhat gentle in comparison, perhaps that's a good thing. As, over time, I have found that I enjoy the patriotic theme that accents the scene rather than the in your face guitar. But, that's just me. I don't know about anyone else.

[@swanpride]

For me the difference is mostly that the Captain America score underlines the mood of the movie, while the Wonder Woman theme doesn't fit at all.

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

Just like the ancient lamentations is Snyder Cut...

[@mfroid4073]

I loved the first avenger

[@dogsareweird1412]

Me too

[@saculmoviereviews9200]

The Hero: The First Avenger The Villain: The First Avenger Supporting characters: The First Avenger (one word: Bucky) Visuals: The First Avenger Sounds: Wonder Woman Action: The First Avenger Rewatchablity Factor: The First Avenger Story: The First Avenger None of them are groundbreaking but The First Avenger is better

No Wonder Woman has WAY better action from her lasso to her bracelets it something new we have never seen in the first avenger it’s just shields and guns

[@mahirkanani2921]

One thing to keep in mind is that you're comparing movie from 2010 where marvel studio was still finding it's way to the 2017's first female solo superhero movie ever made

[@CYBER_N0T]

That doesn’t mean Marvel can’t make a good movie

[@bloodyachellies7507]

“Super cocaine” bruh that got me to spit out my drink

[@JohnDoe-ug3su]

I am actually surprised Capt America TFA wins, cause even in the Capt America series, TFA is the weakest movie. However, it's true Steve Rogers, Stanley Tucci, Tommy Lee Jones, and Hayley Atwell has more impact than the WW stars. I really like the "A good man" line from Stanley Tucci character cause it shape how the audience see Captain America not only in this movie but every time Cap appear on screen, we see him not as a symbol of USA but "a good man doing his part". Wonder Woman's character was never explained that direct, I mean if the person that she rescue was not "Steve from England" but "Helmut from Germany" would she be fighting for Nazi Germany? cause anyone that watches war movies knows both sides in a war believe they are the right one and even Steve from England admit that their side is not better than the other side.

[@tashidiaz8915]

i mean " not a perfect soldier but a good man" line comes to Steve Rogers rescue every time someone questions what he is without the serum.

[@JohnDoe-ug3su]

I have to admit, I don't like Capt America before MCU. I view him a soldier from USA, he fights for USA, at least that's how it was in the old cartoon I happened to watch. Completely un-relatable for someone not from USA like me (and I don't follow comics at all) However, this line completely changes everything about him. That line make him more relatable as he is just a good man who happened to be a soldier for USA. He can be born in any other country but he will always be "a good man"

[@swanpride]

Being the weakest of the Captain America series isn't really a bad thing considering that the Captain America series delivered two movies you can easily hail as the best of the MCU.

[@mojlesttron3355]

She might, but only because it's not nazi-germany. Like you said, everyone thinks of themselves as the good guys and there simply are no real bad or good guys in WW1. In WW2, the nazis were the bad guys, but in WW1 it was just Germany and the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy (and a few others) against GB and the USA (and a few others). If this "Helmut" would've been a nice guy like Steve, she might have searched for Ares in GB. I think that's part of the reason why Wonder Womans "all humans can be bad" message works well. Because all sides are to blame and none of them is really the good guys. Had the setting been WW2 it wouldn't have worked as good, since the nazi-leaders were pretty... evil.

[@JohnDoe-ug3su]

@@mojlesttron3355 The problem is German side were portrayed as full evil

[@acedegenerate6959]

I don't agree with a lot of things that you have said = dislike. Captain America: The First Avenger is my favourite MCU movie. And by the way, it's not Armin Zola but Arnim Zola.

[@wj3772]

i get chills from that particular soundtrack from captain america and i could not recall the ww theme even after i heard it again ...

[@steveharveyofficial4747]

My problem with Wonder woman is that Ludendorff was not a bad guy, also the German army in WW I was not like the German army in WW II, they make the Germans look like Nazis when they weren't.

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

I would switch the point for score and for story. The Wonder Woman theme is great, but it just doesn't fit with her character (and I think you're under rating the Cap theme)

[@INTELECT1984]

when you say things like the bland carbon copies in the wonder women movie are better than the characters they copied in the cap movie i'm done ww copied this movie and it sucks if it wasn't for the womens movement being attached to it then it would be rated correctly as a bad movie

[@Josh-The_Spooky_Bastard-]

Wonder Woman’s theme left my mind the second it stopped. Captain America’s Theme, however? ...did the exact same thing.

[@topanteon]

Wonder Woman's theme sounds to me like a blatant ripoff of Artemisia's theme from 300.

[@marcozolo3536]

Derfoklishe not really ay

[@RafikExe]

1:18 wonder woman's leg opening for them to shoot easily ✔shoot her shield

[@justcutiecats2733]

Both are great movies but I enjoyed Captain America: The First Avenger more.

[@etc2913]

I don't see how just having a traditional character arc makes it an auto-win for WW. Captain America has a Flat Character Arc. It's different but executed better in my opinion. The reason Steve Trevor is so good and complete is because he has to be the backbone of WW's paper thin "arc."

[@rafliavriza3651]

The most memorable scene in Captain America: The First Avenger is that montage where Cap kicked that door with the Howling Commando (idk what its name is lol), the moment where Bucky fell (i'm not crying.. I'm not), the moment where Red Skull holds the Tesseract (Space Stone) in his hands and gets transported to *Vormir* , and where Cap sacrificed himself in that plane.

[@swanpride]

Don't forget Cap jumping over a flaming pit.

[@avyatorsaurus]

Peggy shooting his shield, Steve and Tony's Dad watching in numb shock, Peggy and Steve's conversation in the car about why he wouldn't run, Erskine's line about Steve being a good man, Fondue, open a tab, the way Bucky always look at Steve like he's the whole world, NO I'M NOT LEAVING WITHOUT YOU, crying over Bucky's "death" with alcohol and mourning he can't get drunk, "I had a date." *hi yes i'm crying*

[@a.f9234]

Both were good But Cap was better

[@EthanTChristensen]

This video gonna go viral I'm calling it

[@laurocoman]

And rightfully so.

[@zachcrews2835]

Still can't get over this intro. Top notch.

[@solemnsonata5669]

I know that you want this to be a close fight but TFA's score was alot better than WW's. Not even close.

[@demospolsion6539]

I think you misunderstand the point of of Captain America a lot

[@goofygoober572]

to be fair the only reason wonder woman’s theme is better is bc it’s been her theme for years

[@MikeLeePapi]

One of my favorite moments from Avengers Endgame comes from the scene where Cap picks up Thor's Hammer, but not him picking it up. It's when he's running at Thanos swinging the hammer and his theme music begins to play a little bit, I've never smiled more hard or been so excited to hear someone's theme music.

[@oofusmydoofus7086]

DUDE THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THEME IS VERY MEMORABLE AND ITS SOOO HYPEEE AND DONT YOU DARE DISS IT AND ALSO YOU FORGOT THE BUCKY DYINGHHHHHHHH

[@GorcStew]

Winter Soldier is probably my favorite Marvel movie but Wonder Woman seems to be better than The First Avenger. I really liked the character study of Steve Rogers up till the point where he becomes Captain America though...after he saves Bucky the movie goes pretty stupid ass crazy though lol

[@jofox708]

WW gang dont have a backstory, its just exposition while the howling commandos are useful to cap cuz the movie showed their experties (bomb expert, driver, backup, etc) for a mission.. while the copycats are rather useless cuz ww can doett all w/o a scratch 🤨!! Lame group and a waste of plot tbh..

[@saveourearth4050]

But its flopped aha.

[@deewdrops]

The WW movie is only a hit because Gal Gadot, who is INSANELY BEAUTIFUL, is playing the titular character and also because it's a female superhero movie. Steve Trevor is the most rounded character here. The First Avenger is still better overall though lol.

[@MrExtremegamer97]

Steve Trevor was the only good thing about Wonder Woman. Also the "I believe in love. That's a little Disney Land isn't?" Killed me.

[@MegaKeegster]

Very accurate comparison. Great video

[@timmy4312]

What did he choose the mcu movie? I didn't see that coming

[@richkidd6284]

You should also consider that Captain America came out way before Wonder Woman

[@charlieiguess7890]

Dude? Honestly? I forgot WW‘s theme the moment I shut the TV down. And still hummed CA‘s when I was going to bed