The Casino Chip Forgers Who Scammed Vegas For Millions | Cheating Vegas S1 EP3 | Wonder

[@jmogler]

Calling any Casino owner the "good guys" is laughable at best.

[@sludge8506]

That’s loser talk. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@geronimorunner7878]

Do your Research before you start spouting liberal garbage out of that filthy diaper stained mouth of yours. The casinos run this gongshoe

[@andrewl6837]

@@sludge8506 ur loser talk

[@lounad21]

Agreed, it's honestly disgusting

[@alang5764]

Yep, I got 30 seconds into this and had enough. Casinos are good guys? No, no, no, not putting up with that utter bullshyt.

[@Rickstuffthangs]

When a amateur cheater rips off a entire city of professional cheats. All I can say is well done.

[@thebellcurve3437]

How exactly do casinos cheat?

[@Rickstuffthangs]

@@thebellcurve3437 In black jack , if someone is smart enough an can do the math in their heads. They can beat the casino, but if the casino just thinks they’re doing that, they’ll stop their play an bar them. That’s cheating.

[@gamesguy]

@@thebellcurve3437 when you start beating the casino legally, they stop you from playing. That's how they cheat.

[@thebellcurve3437]

@@gamesguy LOL so you're totally changing the definition of "cheat" to suit your point of view. You're literally redefining words so that your opinion makes sense. Nice.

[@gamesguy]

@@thebellcurve3437 I'm using the casino's own standard. If a player wins, they ban him. So by their own standard they're cheaters because the casinos win consistently.

[@milk11111]

Calling casino guys "the good guys" is so wrong. Anybody who steals from the casino's is a hero in my book.

[@droberts009]

Amen

[@newyorkvlogs5534]

They fix too so there is no difference...

[@newyorkvlogs5534]

All casinos are thief too they have fix everything.

[@texasray5237]

I agree.

[@wavular]

Exactly! The greed of the casinos are the reason these guys do this t begin with! they create gambling addiction and they do this for money,they care nothing for you,they could care less if you lost your house kids wife etc..They are no different from any drug dealer and they know it! Evil scum just as this government is as well the system we are all under is worse than any criminal could ever be!

[@GENKI_INU]

Honestly, respect for the first guy. If you HAD to steal anything, a casino would be the best place to least impact anyone, and who's money is dirty anyway.

[@TheBaguetteMuncher]

Poor casinos 🥲

[@somone1437]

@@TheBaguetteMuncher ikr, what would the world do without them? surely not having broke gamblers will be bad right?

[@TheBaguetteMuncher]

@@somone1437 they are business wanting to make money

[@Corn0nTheCobb]

​@@TheBaguetteMuncher would you describe a drug dealer that way? Just let him be, because he's only trying to make money (regardless of how many lives end up ruined in the process)?

[@OVERRulleDGlandvillE]

Don’t let the casino find out you’ve stole millions from their casino 😮‍💨

[@nickesposito3497]

'Winning big' being a red flag for the Casinos pretty much tells you all you need to know about gambling

[@someguy4915]

I mean, if security would consider 'losing big' they'd never catch a cheater... Well, perhaps that biker wannabe who was so desperate for attention. So yeah, obviously they will check big spenders and big winners to see if anything suspicious happened. Much like how police would only conduct a homicide investigation once they have the suspicion that a murder took place, makes no sense to investigate a casino customer that hasn't won anything.

[@nickesposito3497]

@@someguy4915 Understandable. I'm just highlighting that casinos are rigged and the house knows it, so ppl are supposed to lose majority of the time. When ppl actually do win, casinos look for any type of way to nullify or discontinue payment. Even if the person is legitimately winning, like when places in Vegas banned Dana White from blackjack.

[@jackhackman7777]

You said that exactly right

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

Fk em i worked at a casino in 2014.. i stole 25k from em.

[@nickesposito3497]

@@NAT-turners-Revenge my friend, take lessons learned from this video... never keep condemning evidence in your house and never talk about anything bad you've done

[@craigslistrro709]

I'm having a difficult time mustering up sympathy for the casinos.

[@Capellix0001]

They dont deserve it. Anyone who steals from a casino is doing Gods work

[@johngalt2506]

As someone who was a CSM for a few years I agree 100%!!!

[@Junkman2008]

We share the same mindset.

[@robotplays346]

Communism

[@samf8889]

Casinos are predatory, but anyone that grabs that many 25k chips is an idiot Edit: Personally I wouldn’t have grabbed more than 5 of the 25k chips, would of focused on the 5k ones

[@Brayness]

5 million dollar bail for cheating at a casino is one of the grossest miscarriages of justice I've ever heard of

[@christopher7763]

Showing sympathy for a filthy cheat…you can do better!

[@rasin9391]

@@christopher7763 casinos are made to rip people off. They are traps and deserve it

[@murraymadness4674]

Worse was the guy who rigged slot machines, they busted him for stealing $30, and he got 5 YEARS IN PRISON.

[@Wonderlaust]

Thats what happens when the casinos fund your city

[@joshault7163]

@@christopher7763 Casinos are the cheat my friend. Anyone that steals from them are Robin hood in my book

[@alr9967]

I’ve been in a casino one time. 33 years ago I think it’s heartwarming to hear stories about casinos getting ripped off. Truly a den of thieves.

[@BEAUTYnIQ]

same! l never understood the draw of LV.. l went a few times and always felt like l needed a shower afterwards.. the place just felt scummy to me! lm glad.. bc it sounds like lm not the only one..

[@alr9967]

Who said I’m scared? I dont light money on fire to keep thieves warm. GFYS

[@DonaldCaldwell-pi3zg]

You don’t have to go. Same as the liquor store gun store titty bar etc: it’s all on you at the end of the day.

[@keikosan1354]

Get robbed or stay away

[@killa2488]

sounds like youre not very smart. no one is forced to go to casinos, its just meant for entertainment. like if you go out to bowling, are you expected to walk out with money? no, you pay for entertainment. casinos are the same way when you boil it down, its just the people who are gullible and think they deserve to win that complain

[@ChrisTessmer]

You know the world you live in is totally screwed when counterfeiting casino chips gets you higher bail than murder.

[@johnbell1396]

Amen brother!

[@bryanergau6682]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[@freedomisfromtruth]

They consider that a higher crime then killing a regular person

[@nicholasramey5763]

No stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars deserves a higher bail than a murder due to the fact a murderer doesn't deserve bail

[@nicholasramey5763]

​@@freedomisfromtruthno they don't. That's why murder gets you a longer prison decision depending on the form of murder. Lol

[@Tazza81]

These guys are heroes IMO. Casinos prey on human misery and anyone who gets one over them is a bloody legend.

[@mikemal4398]

Guess I'm a legend

[@gregoryschmidt1233]

My wife and I have enjoyed recreational gambling as a hobby for 30 years. No one is "preying" on us. No one is forcing anyone to gamble in a casino. People lose all their money in the stock market, which is basically legalized gambling. People eat themselves into an early grave with McDonald's, they drink themselves to death etc, etc, etc. You name an activity, someone is doing it compulsively in addiction. Should we outlaw cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food? I don't know which I find more distasteful - the pearl-clutching "ban all sin" from conservatives, or the "we must protect weak people from themselves" from liberals.

[@joebrinson5040]

What a cynical pov. You poor victim, you.

[@haylus3636]

@@gregoryschmidt1233 yea I've been a drug addicted thief for 30+ years. Nobody is preying on me right lmao 🤣 not the drug dealers huh? They just offering a service for the community & it's children if they so desire lololololol. I see it now, gambling & drug use are one in the same with no victims what so ever

[@gmann8659]

@@gregoryschmidt1233 gambling is an inherently designed to prey on people who are susceptible to addiction that's the issue. Fast food, alcohol, cigarettes are not. Yes fast food and alcohol have advertising but the very nature in which casinos / book makers attempt to reel you in with free bets, offers, VIP services just doesn't compare to other things people get addicted to.

[@millieatr]

Ten years ago I put money in a vending machine for a snickers bar .. To my surprise 2 snickers bars fell .. I'm still waiting for that knock at the door .

[@TobbeStorm]

In Japan it would've been common courtesy to leave the second one behind for the following costumer

[@bigniper]

brad fiser So your the one on top of the F.B.I. most wanted list.

[@allwrighty100]

@@TobbeStorm Yes but take the free one, leave the one you paid for.

[@ron78tht74]

I work for Snickers loss control. I have been looking for you for 9 years. I knew you would slip up. I now have your real name of Brad Fiser. I will be making that knock on your door. Warrant is being prepared as I type. See you soon Fiser.

[@millieatr]

@@ron78tht74 ...…...Dang now have to move again

[@MladenMijatov]

Love how everyone is like "we are going to get you because we are good" and then literally in every instance someone tipped them off. In first case they didn't even know they were getting scammed.

[@thadanzwiggler]

Yep. Even then...if he stayed solo, and kept to lower denominations of chips, there's no telling how long he could have milked that.

[@KajunMs39]

Lol!!!!

[@DollaDealz]

its the same in normal crime, the one to act first has the advantage.

[@klikitzsmith8416]

Lol couldn't catch a cold in winter

[@CelesteVictoria24782]

Bail for making counterfeit chips is higher than murdering a person speaks VOLUMES on why our system is broken, shady & priorities are screwed up.

[@timothy2935]

Right I have seen crazy long sentences and bail for financial crimes 😳 Russian gang member caught in Las Vegas doing time In orange county CA lol and his Co conspirator. They had it pretty sweet in there

[@skdncbdjsjxbdb]

Bail isn't just based on how severe the crime was its also based on how much you can afford. And these guys obviously had a bunch of money.

[@bobcuster8930]

This is all made up stuff....you tube is filled with fake stories....

[@Ivan.A.Churlyuski]

I always wish the 45 year old man that attacked me sexually at 8 years old had picked my pocket. America would have gave him a sentence of meaning.

[@skdncbdjsjxbdb]

@@Ivan.A.Churlyuski who?

[@MashaRistova]

I feel so bad for Morikowa. He actually seems like a genuinely good dude. His stupid partner just had to go and pillow talk with a sheisty prostitute. The resourcefulness and creativity of people who cheat Vegas absolutely amazes me

[@JulieIelasi-lt7yp]

Some women get very jealous she probably wanted in, too, got flicked off so the prostitute talked!

[@jimlthor]

Yeah. Sometimes scammers impress me. So much outside the box type thinking. My mind rarely ever goes to the "let's do this illegal thing" Maybe I'm brainwashed

[@Marinuss]

They were a good team. A guy with brains to do the clever work and a guy who can stand the nerves of scamming casino workers to their face.

[@ianandersen265]

Yes, but at the same time Morikawa committed a crime, and he paid the price.

[@bessajredini4754]

​@@ianandersen265casinos commit crimes 24/7 i have yet to see one pay the price 😂😂

[@MidnightSt]

Casino enforcer saying "He's a dirtbag" about someone is a diamond-level irony.

[@colemoniz]

I mean, people voluntarily enter casinos. Casinos don’t break into your home and take money from your wallet.

[@colemoniz]

@@woodforthetrees3496 you’re welcome to explain?

[@alanleung1828]

@@colemoniz Conmen don't forcibly rob you, but they still rob you.

[@ForgotStyle]

@@colemoniz what point were you thinking of getting across with this comment? yikes

[@colemoniz]

@@ForgotStyle Cool story bro, regardless of what you think, adults are still responsible for their actions and any behavior to excess is not healthy. If you have a problem, that is your responsibility to manage, not everyone else’s responsibility to accommodate. Find me an industry that doesn’t involve manipulating people to get them to buy your product.

[@henryhahn9741]

“He wins cause he didn’t lose” most Vegas quote ever

[@demetrius1590]

The best ones are the ones that dont make the list.

[@RideAlongWthJavieFrmTheIE]

💯💯💯

[@karimorgan9037]

Pretty sure their not going to those episodes

[@MrModz1999]

facts.

[@rosettawatkins2901]

Bad boys💲💷💶💴💵💷🔫

[@SuperScottCrawford]

Every day I make it my goal to remain listless.

[@ClemensAlive]

"You get a 5 Million Dollar bail!" Sir, do you also accept casino chips?

[@kingkezz9188]

cringe attempt at getting a top comment 🙄🙄😂😂

[@lastlyhi]

@@kingkezz9188 lol youre doing the same

[@kingkezz9188]

@@lastlyhi Am I? If my comment gets more than 30 likes i will delete it lmao. Pointing out cringe isn't attention seeking.

[@lastlyhi]

@@kingkezz9188 lol you commenting about it shows that you want attention for it kekw

[@mrb2643]

They should have got the Lady to use chips she would,paid her in chips she would be liable also.

[@TCGArsenal]

if Morikawa had stayed lone wolf the whole time, he would never get caught. he has the perfect attitude of doing criminal activity, careful and secretive. it's just his partner that's a liability.

[@Jackson-pu7gd]

i don't know what's worse... the idiot partner telling some vegas stripper about the scheme, or the stripper narcing despite being paid. I'm leaning toward the former, but not by too much.

[@BusinessWolf1]

the second I heard about the second dude I was like oh, you dumbass. and then I heard he got the whole crew in on it and at that point you're just asking to get arrested

[@michaellovetere8033]

His partner was a drug addict and a big mouth....Morikawa picked the wrong partner...

[@charlestonbrown148]

Never have partners

[@youreawizardhagrid]

Jesse and Walt vibes

[@ihtfp004]

When Morikawa said his lifestyle changed to “eating out at nice restaurants” and smirked, I couldn’t help but laugh lol

[@alainportant6412]

why ?? he's a good kid let him have it

[@imluhtay2x62]

@@alainportant6412nah bro you don’t get it. He just wasn’t gonna say all the COKE they was doing on TV 😂

[@Doppelganger31]

Eating out

[@alainportant6412]

@@Doppelganger31 it also has that other meaning

[@ZybakTV]

LMFAO the dude steals money from the casino and gambles with it and they get it right back. Pure poetry.

[@Dpaq13]

They were fine as long as he didn’t try to cash out lol

[@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783]

He also literally has the dealer his name. 😂😂

[@xaydenplayz17]

@@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783 he was talking about the guy who robbed them for 1 million in chips

[@donsolos]

@@Dpaq13 no they just couldnt prove anything until he tried to move on from the 25k chips

[@tupaclives5848]

that guy was awesome. gotta respect the brazenness of that kind of crime. hit them quick and before they even know what's going on, you're gone. that's how it's done.

[@warnation101]

Lessons for future cheats. 1: Don't get cocky or greedy 2: Work alone 3: Always lay low

[@Crookgotjokes]

Cheating implies you attempted to play a game they broke the system and bypassed the game

[@stuntlife66]

Walk away while ahead

[@Jackson-pu7gd]

I disagree with #2 - i would replace that with "If anyone in the scheme picks up a drug habit or starts hiring strippers, cease operations immediately and resume once they are completely out of the picture."

[@donaldlyons17]

@@Jackson-pu7gd Do you really think the due was going to give up fast and easier money? One thing I can say about people is that they will want everything despite not even having a way to pay for it.

[@Jackson-pu7gd]

@@donaldlyons17 "Do you really think the due was going to give up fast and easier money?" He struck me as a smart dude (the one who didnt tell some random woman he hardly knew all about his operation). I guess the lure of money clouded his judgement, because once that woman started blackmailing them he should really have stopped everything and waited until things blew over before resuming again. If he did that, the police raid would have turned up nothing and he would never have been arrested.

[@sleepingmelons8420]

Rule 1 of being a criminal, don't tell ANYONE you're a criminal.

[@Tomorrison28]

Especially a woman. U mind as well turn yourself in for less time.

[@robertmanfredthurrigl9424]

Especially not a woman who has a history with drug addiction. They rat you out at first opportunity .

[@astramccracken6555]

COOL

[@Larrabjl]

Work alone

[@gregk.6723]

What are you trying to say ?

[@eugeniozapacosta6390]

It's really wonderful to come across people who freely share valuable information online. You never know what kind of knowledge you might stumble upon that could have a lasting impact on your life.

[@PokrPro21]

All of you fake bots are having a conversation with each other

[@Wildmoments-o2y]

@@PokrPro21 fr

[@dabeveryday9991]

these guys are all legends, more people should do things like this against casinos

[@christopher7763]

Go try it, douchebag

[@dabeveryday9991]

@@christopher7763 how am I a douchebag?

[@pedrojustice]

bunch of idiots, telling random pickupt girl about their scam

[@joeking433]

If you steal you go to prison.

[@dabeveryday9991]

@@joeking433then all casino directors should be in jail

[@erezmaman5103]

Imagine how much they would’ve made if they never told that lady. Literally might have cost them millions.

[@buzzlightyear7086]

Millions and their freedom as well

[@jakejhons5138]

Soon or later they would have got caught.

[@jonbonesmahomes7472]

@@jakejhons5138 i dont think so.. There is no reason for being caught.. They played also, never would be suspicious

[@Romans8-9]

One was a junkie who couldn´t keep his mouth shut. Of course they were gonna get caught.

[@Junkman2008]

@@Romans8-9 He was a simp. That's why he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

[@Neptune8]

For every good scam that’s well thought out, there’s also a person involved that’s so stupid and ruins it

[@PresidentUSVI]

The brains of the operation is who kept quiet and the stupid one is who ruined it.

[@inseparabletheband]

Just the ones you hear about.

[@vermili0n]

Yup like the Bellagio bandit. Dude tried selling his cranberries online and told the seller he was the bandit. He also told a blackjack dealer “man it would be easy to grab a handful of those cranberries and run out of here” a week or two before the robbery 🙄

[@6iX61RL]

it’s always that one to slip up

[@Northanteus]

Stupid criminals rob casinos, smart criminals become politicians.

[@runkillorun2]

Over $1mil and they could only find $36k. Legend!

[@michaelflood8372]

5 million down to 12k damn thats a good lawyer

[@michaelb4538]

That's called a bribed judge.

[@bufftammy735]

Not a good lawyer. That's what it should have been originally.

[@calijewelzz]

Snitching snitching. All I see

[@stefamarz]

The lawyer is crooker than the crook himself

[@Jackson-pu7gd]

"5 million down to 12k damn thats a good lawyer" It's called Russia.

[@Firedog105]

Never partner with a junkie . Dude should have stayed a lone wolf.

[@prettytravdaboss5580]

Kevin got that right never partner with a junkie that is good as caught already lol

[@jerometaylor2019]

He didn’t have the balls

[@tuddyjohnson488]

Yep

[@roybell415]

💯 Correct! A junkie is just a liability that needs to be eliminated.

[@moodafan123]

do you know breaking bad?

[@kikovenegas1325]

The best scammer is probably still out there and no one has noticed

[@davecruz9893]

EXACTLY....GOOD CALL

[@Mitjitsu]

The best scammer probably hit them big once and rode off into the sunset.

[@Elite7555]

Yeah, because a real scammer doesn't show off his wealth.

[@garystinten9339]

Andy Dufrane did it right.. get the goods and then get out clean

[@janchristianwismarsaragih902]

Maybe there are people like Nick, but less greedy. Just hit it big but not too much. And after that, just start a new life. That's amazing.

[@Dub-ry4cs]

If this guy did this alone, and he only cashed in like 2 or 3k a week, he could get away with it for life.

[@ΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛΣΠΑΝΑΚΗΣ]

That’s a big statement but yeah

[@Dub-ry4cs]

@Nick-ql6ov there are lots of casinos, and people to cash in with. If he only went for a couple grand a month, nobody is going to remember him. He could get away with it for a long time. There’s always risk obviously but if he were smart, he’d of lasted a long time.

[@razorburns8651]

Wouldn't they notice him winning and watch the film ... That would prove he wasn't winning anything just cashing in chips ?

[@tinydough8746]

@@razorburns8651 I think some people save the chips they won from previous times and bring them back in.

[@thadanzwiggler]

@@razorburns8651 Yeah I thought the same thing. ALWAYS bet more than what you cash in; even with fake chips, you're coming out ahead.

[@patman0250]

Dennis was one of the most successful gambling cheaters we've ever caught? But you didn't catch him. He got ratted out by one of his accomplices. Ultimately all of them got screwed over by somebody opening their mouths. Stupidity and greediness led to their downfalls. Gaming commissions detectives rarely make arrests solely due to their "detective skills".

[@thepokepro5634]

Lol

[@Mamba116]

Yea bro crazy how someone always has to ruin it

[@beatsizedj]

Calledg greed

[@johnlewis2899]

2 PEOPLE can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

[@dannysunwantedopinions]

Damn true!

[@captaincavemonkey]

Those poor casinos ... my heart just breaks for them.

[@JDzzle05]

😂😂😂😂are you Fr?

[@qtiPPP]

@@JDzzle05 obv satire lmao

[@lemonyogurt0]

I lit a candle 🕯️ for them last night 😇!

[@kanedNunable]

@@lemonyogurt0 thoughts and prayers...

[@gabrielgonzalez1993]

Lmaoooo

[@exploresouthafrica3551]

Moral of the story: Never tell a woman.

[@MrCupid444]

Apsolutey

[@kingjoedirt1334]

Ahhhhhh never have a shitbag in your pocket

[@FazeParticles]

yes. how can it be any simpler?

[@TechieTard]

That is EXACTLY what I got out of it.

[@nickojo2003]

So true

[@rule1dontgosplat]

scamming a casino is like when someone steals your bike and you go steal it back. I don’t feel bad for any casino that gets ripped off.

[@goffik1980]

If you're stupid enough to seek out a known bike thief and willingly hand your bike over to them, then it's your own fault when you inevitably don't get it back. Handing money to a casino is not them stealing, it's you being a moron. Even the most brain dead gambler knows the odds are stacked against them, so they have no excuse for crying when they lose. Do I feel bad for scammed casinos? Nope, not a bit. But I don't feel sorry for the idiots that allow them to do what they do either.

[@ccol009]

Very Good and True Statement.

[@chaset42]

Glad they made that dramatic reenactment otherwise I'd have no clue how to imagine guys making fake chips in a garage

[@cervuscanadensis5634]

The guy holding a flashlight

[@chaset42]

@@cervuscanadensis5634 mvp

[@Flexyourmemes]

Thats not for you. Thats for those of us that rode the short bus to zchool.

[@whodoobucrew2960]

I liked the part where the two cronys were hitting the edge of a chip in order to... break it open? Flatten the edge? We shall never know

[@chaset42]

@@whodoobucrew2960 they just needed to look busy since the boss was at the garage that day

[@batsinhell8117]

no person who steals from a casino is a crook

[@allwrighty100]

Of course they are, casinos don't steal from you, why is it ok to steal from them?

[@pauld.b7129]

I agree. They are built from Mob money and make money off of addiction, stealing from them is a victimless crime.

[@allwrighty100]

@R T magnetic functionalities, lol

[@Secretservice709]

allwrighty100 you are a loser

[@TheDougSpot]

R T False. The point of a casino is to lure you in with the possibility of winning big. Stealing implies that you have no choice in the matter. You have a choice whether to gamble or not, and the odds are available for you to see.

[@Narque]

hearing these casino dudes call someone else a crook and a scumbag just makes me chuckle

[@joeishere500]

;;; read my comment i posted about the Hardrock.....

[@thebellcurve3437]

Implying casinos are crooks? Okay, how do they cheat and what is your evidence?

[@FrixAnims]

@@thebellcurve3437 Read the comment above again but slowly

[@thebellcurve3437]

@@FrixAnims Your comment "above" did not post, so your sarcasm is uncalled for. There is no comment above. Are you familiar with shadow banning? Your comment was likely shadow banned and only you can see it.

[@pieterveenders9793]

@@thebellcurve3437 They live off of people's addictions. There's a reason minors aren't allowed to gamble, and why gambling is tightly regulated or even illegal in many places; it's vile and exploitative.

[@tpacalypse]

The term "cheater hall of fame" just kills me 😂😂😂.

[@charlesm.2604]

my ex needs to be on that list

[@tpacalypse]

@@charlesm.2604 What 🤣?

[@photomanwilliams4147]

The gaming agents love to take credit for the great police work on their part, but almost every case had a former member of the gang rat out the cheater. It seems to me if a cheater can do his scheme without help from others, he is likely to stay free.

[@Ginric99]

Most criminals get caught because they tell too many people

[@jamesong.a.7695]

This is the case with regular law enforcement in general. The large majority of bust are due to people snitching or some other happens chance that has nothing to do with great police work.

[@busking6292]

'yeah,2 people CAN keep a secret...if one of them's dead'---some mafia guy.

[@TeddyBear-ii4yc]

This is true. Many murderers get caught as they tell someone. The secrecy must be burdensome and it comes as a relief to share it.

[@ronblack7870]

problem is if you win too much or too often you end up on the radar of the casinos.

[@marlboromatt5656]

The first guy that made the chips seems like a genuinely nice guy. Hope he got his life straight.

[@button4644]

What's wrong with the way he was living

[@benninger123]

I think he has his priorities straight. He is only taking from the cheaters and thieves in the first place.

[@timothy2935]

He WAS straight lmao 🤣

[@janecoe9407]

THAT DENNIS "DORK" GUY SHOUD HAVE SPENT HIS TIME IN COLLEGE EARNING A DEGREE RATHER THAN SPENDING HOURS TRYING TI ROB PEOPLE. SMH

[@veliki_dlek]

Cheating capitalism seems like the best way to straighten and live your life.

[@ac4185]

I like how they tried to arrest Phil Ivey. He noticed if you turn the cards a certain way, you can see if it is a 10 or below. It had to do with the way they cut the cards. He didn't have to forge anything or steal. He is just super observant, but because he won, that was illegal.

[@luigivincenz3843]

The term "counting cards" was coined supposedly, by a Caesar's Palace executive early 1950's, as a "scarlet letter" portrayal of successful card players who were vastly skilled. There is NO reason for card players who use their brain , and not rely on gadgets or trickery to win card games. The casinos are just sore losers.

[@tappajaav]

@ericc393 Casinos mind when you _consistently_ end up in the profit. They are businesses, encouraged to maximize their profits

[@tonyh7734]

Only got detained, but the casino didn't pay him out the $10MM that he won

[@tappajaav]

@ericc393 Casinos don't have a problem with you winning a hand. They have problem with you when you _consistently_ make profit.

[@andregenter4213]

„You can replace a lot, buy can’t replace time“ that got me 😢

[@KenCozine]

While going to college in San Francisco years ago, my room mates and I would sometimes drive up to Tahoe in the winter for skiing. We would also stop in the casinos there. I was at a roulette table one day and was having a good run of luck. The people working the table were not happy. They ran out of patience with me and swiped away a winning chip that I had on the table at the end of the spin. My friend was with me and he also saw what happened. I didn't want to make a scene and left. The casino was Harvey's. Some months later, someone planted a bomb there which destroyed the entire casino floor. It was poetic justice.

[@AlexPerazaTV]

“Someone”. We know it was you haha

[@rivaldomadiba1879]

😂😂😂

[@Gratefuldeadgriffin]

Unfortunately Harvey had insurance and now Harvey’s is 5x bigger and that happened in 1980 when I was 5 I remember they evacuated all of SLT

[@nickygepetto6684]

In 1992 when the Foxwoods casino opened in CT, a man rented a room for six months. He told the cleaning crew he had a phobia and to never clean his room; he would do it himself. About five months later, a new cleaning lady went to clean his room and discovered the guys printing press where he was printing $100 faces on $1 chips. It's estimated he stole over 2 million from Foxwoods. This is a full 13 years before these guys in Vegas made fake chips. Not sure why the video didn't reference this as it's still available on google.

[@brianaseven8422]

That’s really cool to know haha, my family goes to Foxwoods all the time!

[@saramorin4792]

Shouldnt count as evidence since it was not something they should have ever known, people need their privacy.

[@salakerz324]

@@saramorin4792not evidence but a reason to look into and then catch him in the act. That’s probably how he got busted.

[@Imtje_]

We need more people like Dennis. “Never smarten up a chump”. 🐐

That's also the 1st Rule of Poker, "Never teach the fish". lol

[@spignetti]

that's a great line....

[@zackzajac2297]

this is genuinely one of the best youtube videos i have ever seen

[@dgreatll]

Because it originally came out on TV

[@markinnes4264]

Love these stories of beating Vegas! I never root for the house.

[@kushlyfe1022]

There is 2 more episodes very interesting 1st is about security camera and scams 2nd is about cheating slots and card games this is the 3rd

[@nuclearskull]

Beating Vegas was the original and they took them all down except DICE DOMINATOR

[@robberhd3218]

Dixie Normous The slots cheaters episode is really good

[@JuniorJuni070]

Wildchild96 jr yes now get your own tactic not to lose. this is just cheating the game.. *vote ban*

[@codyking4342]

Then you always lose....unfortunately

[@abidabi4363]

Stealing money from criminals, is not a crime.

[@kday5554]

Abi Dabi 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏

[@issasultan2896]

lmao i agree with you

[@Veaseify]

@Insomnia Blaze Define 'stealing' as how the Casinos operate? They offer games that you can't win at so they can make a profit, everybody knows this, if you give them your money voluntarily they aren't 'stealing' anything.

[@Veaseify]

@Insomnia Blaze So everyone that gambles in a casino is an out of control degenerate addict? Sure, there are people who can't control themselves in that environment and that is unfortunate, but they represent a small minority of the customers - like how not everybody that drinks in a bar is an alcoholic.

[@marcush3075]

RIGHT!!! BUT THEY HAVE IT SO ELABORATE THAT THE ENTIRE STATE GOES IN FAVOR OF THE CASINOS...LAWS ARE WITTEN IN THEIR FAVOR TO CHEAT PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MONEY.

[@dawsonje]

Major mistakes: 1. Working with a junkie 2. Telling a stranger woman about your scam 3. Not killing the stranger woman once she threatened to turn you in 4. Keeping the workshop in your own home… instead of some cash rented storage unit that is no way connected to you or your name

[@charlesvan13]

There's always an idiot who can't keep their mouth shut. And other crooks are the first to extort you and rat you out.

[@jordanjohnson5431]

I could work with you 🤣🤣👍

[@islandqueen7342]

Who are u🙄

[@dawsonje]

@@islandqueen7342 I’m Some Random Dude

[@saucysetsdunn469]

@@islandqueen7342 you dad

[@Ridehighfxdb]

Casino owners and managers calling other people criminals and crooks and dirt bags is crazyyyyy😂😂

[@AllenHanPR]

Imagine blackmailing someone and snitching at the same time.

[@Keepskatin]

@Allen That's called a double dipping, or Triple Cross.

[@JoshDoes]

she profited huge lol looked like a good person and still got a lotta cash out

[@leedirtybriches]

Literally what happens everytime. Especially with strippers

[@junglekutz5625]

He knew how to pick them

[@ancientruth5298]

It's because under the law it's legal just like the bars and UFC

[@Poke711]

Casino Lady: "it took them 5 minutes to make a new chip it was that simple" Narriator: "they made TWENTY chips a day"

[@ziegfeld4131]

Making 2 many would arose suspision

[@b33thr33kay]

Thet Just spent 10 minutes explaining how difficult it was to replicate the features of a chip, and this woman goes "it only took a few minutes, it was just that simple". Yeah, someone's being an idiot here.

[@arthurdurham]

Did this video seriously call Casinos the good guys? These multi billion dollar misery factories that prey on addiction and desperation, and rig their own machines, are the heroes? While the small time people ripping them off (and in this case guys who couldn't get work trying to feed their families) are the bad guys? Who the hell made this? All power to the card counters and swindlers! As long as they keep taking it from casinos and not people on the street.

[@sludge8506]

That’s the talk of losers. Losers walk into a casino and actually think they can beat the published odds. Then the losers claim the casino cheated them. This is infantile thinking. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@arthurdurham]

@@sludge8506 Omg you're one of those kind of people 🤦‍♂️

[@sludge8506]

@@arthurdurham Arty, you are a loser supreme. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@inclusion9212]

Lots of people work for the gaming industry. All cheaters are thieves.

[@Malumbrus]

It's because their scams are legal and enforced by government.

[@nyjsackexchange]

Good strategy Tell the dealer you want to rob the place

[@TheRealTrucido]

"Within 5 minutes they could have a new Chip, it was that simple." 15 seconds later, "They could make 20 chips a day"

[@ezmoneytore7129]

Right😂😂😂

[@weylinwest9505]

Maybe they only worked for less than 2 hours per day.

[@bearbear-hf7cn]

Maybe they worked an hour a day. The other time was playing games

[@Tidoublemy]

LOL - that woman clearly had no clue what she was talking about.

[@Elite7555]

Don't forget that they had to pay for those chips and couldn't arouse too much suspicion. I think, what they mean is that they counterfeited 20 chips per day *on average*.

[@WastedTalent-]

There was also a guy who worked for the Gaming Commission who's job was to inspect and program the slot machines to make sure they were running right. He figured out to program them to pay out with certain coin denonimation sequences. Like you play a dime, a penny, 2 quarters, a dime, and a quarter and you hit the jackpot.

[@Olm9]

Is there a docu on that?

[@natureboy1313]

Yes, A show called "Masterminds" did a episode and it was good. Believe it is still on KZbin

[@luinids]

That was Brad Pitt 😂

[@youngsixty7395]

The fact that we get free documentaries on KZbin by Wonder is truly a gift. 👍

[@Jackson-pu7gd]

Yep this channel is awesome! Their content never disappoints.

[@Konitama]

The chip forging ending is funny because RFID is not some sort of future tech that nobody can figure out how to forge... It isn't impossible to read the RFID data from an expensive chip and write that data to a $1 chip. RFID readers/writers aren't that expensive... and RFID tags are pennies in cost. So it's totally possible to forge modern casino chips. It's just like an extra step to do it.

[@peterwest9502]

I swear, every single heist video I watch is like like "they had a masterful plan, but they also told random people exactly what they did, and those random people turned them in."

[@KhalidMahmood-wm1qz]

Or one of them was spending too much.

[@curtisjackson6590]

He stole hundreds of thousands from the casino, then gave it all back at the tables. Poetic.

[@rottenemmzi1413]

Also, he’s so bad

[@riverraisin1]

Note to self: If ever caught cheating in Vegas, get 12 jury members that posted comments on here. Acquitted!

[@RR-yr4sd]

Extremely well made video. This is how I want things. Straight forward production.

[@o7oDOCo7o]

I served in Afghanistan and I don't think I come anywhere close to the level of hero that this guy has achieved. I only wished that you had ran those crooks for tens of millions rather than just 1 mil.

[@stevep8445]

So you approve of STEALING? This wasn't cheating, it was STEALING. I'd hate to see what you did when you served......

[@o7oDOCo7o]

@@stevep8445 protected you and your right to defend legal crooks. Your welcome.

[@asu4908]

@@stevep8445 youre pathetic and simple to understand - stay loyal and keep your tail wagging

[@tak-bs2kg]

@@stevep8445 sit

[@oussama123654789]

you think you are some kind of hero by fighting in afghanistan? LMAO

[@primelegend9504]

what I learned from this video: Casino's are the only ones that are legally allowed to cheat and steal money.

[@plowking813]

banks and gov too

[@geofferytanmingchun426]

Wall Street also

[@goodgame3374]

You're forgetting parking fines - not the slap on the wrist ones if they still exist, but the, "5 mins overtime? That gives us an excuse to bill you $200!"

[@plowking813]

@@goodgame3374 falls under greedy gov

[@bryanrogers794]

Love how all of these stories end up with the person in jail. Ever wonder how many "scams" are out there that got over on Vegas, but they don't want anyone hearing about.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

We don't know who the best cheaters are or were, simply because we only know of those that get caught. The really good ones are those that got away.

[@xaydenplayz17]

@@MyRegardsToTheDodo debatable, the last guy was one of the BEST cheaters in vegas, he only got caught the last time because of a snitch

[@janecoe9407]

THE PROBLEM WITH SIN IS PRIDE. ALL OF THE CRIMINALS RIPPING OFF CASINOS HAD PRIDE. THEY HAD GREED. DENNIS RADCHICK KEPT GOING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER CASINO. HE COULD EASILY HAVE STOPPED AT ONE OR TWO. BETTER YT HE SHOUKD HAVE USED HIS BRAINS TO INVENT SOMETHING USEFUL TO SOCIETY, HE COULD HAVE USED HIS BRAINS TO EARN A COLLEGE DEEGREE AND WORK A REAL CAREER JOB. SAD

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

@@janecoe9407 Dude, your caps lock seems to be stuck. Might want to use your big brain to do something useful for the comment section and fix your keyboard.

[@donsolos]

@@xaydenplayz17 yeah ever hear of the MIT card counters. There are always gonna be really smart and really desperate people willing to give something like cheating vegas a shot, guaranteed there have been many cheaters who hit vegas big once and walked away with their money, that's the secret. You ever hear of the Phil ivy baccarat story? He technically beat the casinos but likely they manipulated the courts and got their money back

[@burnedrisotto]

The way the Pai Gau guy is chewing his gum is criminal by itself.

[@wafflesarelove5801]

honestly this first guy is a hero. Casinos are predatory and make billions per year by scamming. I'm glad he got them and i wish he never got caught.

[@cosmin77sin]

What are you on about? Scamming? Who are they scamming, there are rules and regulations requireing to revealed the odds of winning for each game for each bet and the casino edge is presented as well. It's a bussiness that is regulated and might I add heavely regulated and taxed that is not allowed to served minors or anyone who is registered as a gambler addict. They are there for entertainment. If you go to an arcade and you spend $20 on tickets and at the end you win a few games and get to cash in those tickets for a stuffed teddy that is worth $1, do you consider that a scam? An arcade is scammier than a casino as it promotes to children and has way less rules and regulations. I see this comment setions is full of people that have not the slightest idea of how the gambling indutry works and what the rules and regulations are. Look at all these cheats and scammers and notice when they are done, long ago when technology and regulations were lacking but these days it's a different ball game.

[@wafflesarelove5801]

@@cosmin77sin arcades dont kick you out if you are doing too good because you know how to play

[@Dodger24]

@@cosmin77sin The scam is that the casinos kick out the winners

[@cosmin77sin]

@@Dodger24 it depends how you win. They kick out advantage players and cheats. They don't just kick out random people that win otherwise nobody would come back.

[@cosmin77sin]

@@wafflesarelove5801 try and bring your own home made tickets or messing with their machines and I guarantee you they will kick you out.

[@braidenreid5196]

Whoever made this documentary is insane calling the casinos the good guys lmao

[@ziggyschumann5284]

The old saying, " Loose lips sinks ships " really came true with these guys.

[@bigkahuna3534]

@45:42 with all that money, why would you leave evidence in your own home. he could easily had all that equipment and money someplace else

The best ones are the ones that don’t get caught

[@jamarlucman1603]

x2sexy

[@thememaster7]

Just count cards. They insist on not shuffling the deck in Blackjack.

[@mycrazylife408]

i’m sure there’s a quiet a few con artists who are smart enough to get in and get out but they aren’t caught to tell the story but i hope there’s a lot

[@Luna-ic6ke]

I find it more than funny when casinos call people "dirtbags" or "career crooks", while their entire shtick is to literally scam ppl out of their money.

[@Unclemarv12]

Sounds like a salty idiot who’s lost in a casino

[@sludge8506]

That’s the talk of losers. Losers walk into a casino and actually think they can beat the published odds. Then the losers claim the casino cheated them. This is infantile thinking. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@thebellcurve3437]

@@sludge8506 Thank you. That is exactly what I was gonna say.

[@somekindaguy100]

@@sludge8506 like the old saying goes .....nope .

[@psycho1940]

@@thebellcurve3437 Only 1 person here agrees with you smfh

[@Ryanfinder226]

The thing that always baffles me about this is they made all this money and never once thought to use the cash to move their operation out of their garage. Every time they get caught all the evidence is just in their main resident lmao

[@jacksongibbs8998]

Don’t 💩 where you eat.

[@yanxiangmeng4967]

8:54 They shouldn't cash the chips out directly! They should go to a roulette table and play a few hands, then cash out the change. This way the chips that they give to the cashier would be real chips and the fake one just blend into all the chips on the table

[@jeremylewis4542]

That's what "I" did .I'm jeremy lewis

[@tcfs]

"Morikawa wanted not to make his hand dirty" vs. "Invite your accomplice to your house for a training, keeping the training materials in your garage"... well done!

[@ThouArtOfWar0724]

Imagine casinos who rig games in their favor calling someone a dirtbag

[@mbirth]

@Christopher Jacobs Additionally, they ban experienced people (e.g. card counters) from games where they have an advantage over the casino.

[@malibuhiegts]

I hear a good roulette spinner can get within 2-3 no.s of where they aim

[@meandmyself1600]

In the end, casinos are a business that employs people. They offer you a night of entertainment, with the thrill to win big and take their cut in the end.

[@neet4212]

@@mbirth Theres also roulette exploits that can you get banned. For example: If you set an amount, lets say 10$ on red, and allways double the amount of cash after you lose and keep placing red, you will allways get your start cash as profit in the case it shows red. You can basicly go infinite with this and at some point it has to show red. Bet 10, lose =-10, Bet 20 (-30) and win =40 = 10€ profit, Bet 40 (-70) and win = 10€ profit

[@radon3292]

@@neet4212no, that doesn’t work lol there is green on the table, 0 and 00, which move the odds in casinos favor

[@xtradrew9836]

These guys shouldn’t be arrested they should be given a job at gamestop

[@damian6359]

I don’t get it why?

[@PauIieWalnuts]

Because it's "so terrible" to work there.

[@regalsurvivor3418]

Lolol

[@tonysaluta9142]

@@damian6359 Because no one plays video games anymore

[@austinbrown3663]

This guy stonks

[@pattas2005]

This was really interesting! Thank you! Subbed 🙂

[@carlwinslo]

The fact they set those guys bail at 5 million dollars tells you exactly who owns and operates the law in Nevada.

[@gradymckinney7306]

The reservation ones have their own police. One of these shows like s.o.a or Yellowstone or ozarks or something touches on it

[@Olm9]

Its kinda weird that they just changed it to 12.000 🤔

[@vineenergyvideos5640]

@@Olm9 it was changed too what he was able to pay so he could get out

[@ecstaticallyextreme]

The mastermind was a genius about everything...EXCEPT one thing he overlooked- The partner he chose. He didn't imagine his partner would use all that money to buy meth and strippers and start blabbing his mouth and bragging about how they got the money.

[@vanderumd11]

He knew that is the type of person with guts

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

He even gave the druggie a job, and hit it rich with him, he repays by blabbering, Morikawa is a legend for one upping the vile casino crooks that bleed their communities dry via illegal and grey means

[@janecoe9407]

HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KNOW THAT OR SUSPECT THAT IF HE WOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THE DUDE;S PAST OR CRIMINAL HISTORY. HE HIRED THE MAN WIHOUT ANY REAL INFORMATION ON THE MAN.

[@TeddyBear-ii4yc]

@@janecoe9407 When you first meet people they are always nice, friendly, trustworthy, etc, its when things don't go their way or they feel cheated that they'll consider "doing you bad" and that badness always comes with a justification for why they're doing it.

[@tupaclives5848]

in my mind, there's no point in living a criminal lifestyle without any drugs...it's a crucial ingredient. what's the use of freedom and money if I can't enjoy some drugs? I'm a 4 time felon and drugs were definitely my primary motivation to commit crime. if it wasn't for me being a drug addict, I'd never have become a criminal in the first place.

[@Dave-ug4cd]

If his buddy didn't tell the stranger...this still would have been happening.

[@harleymartin5931]

Loose lips sink ships

[@frozt]

I love how the intro paints the casino's as "the good guys" lmao.

[@MuffyCakeMan]

The lady that ratted them out would have been dead if it was someone else.

[@patrickbarnes2686]

You didn’t catch him. He was thrown under the bus...

[@randomchannelgandalf]

I can't believe that the counterfeiters didn't threaten the girl or shoot her while paying her off. I guess she just knew that the guy was too nice for that.

[@buzzlightyear7086]

Should have took her out simple as that.

[@TheGQBrotha]

comfy ayylmao - LOL, she’s lucky she wasn’t trying to pull that stunt after Morikawa met the Russian mobster in jail. She would have likely ended up buried in the Vegas desert.

[@JMD215]

Dude should have buried the chick and the genius junkie in the desert.

[@ArtSmosh1274]

Will that would made it worst

[@hopewellmbuli3538]

I thought the exact same thing. I'm not a killer but if someone were to blackmail me, they're asking for it

[@AntonArmsberg]

The one big mistake: Getting too greedy. They didn't know when to stop.

[@jbrown8059]

We need more people like this to rip off the casino

[@madefromscratch9871]

When you involve a group of people in on something, your doomed from the start .

[@RKrk-jj2li]

Word.

[@chadwickmac9798]

Too many loose ends

[@justinkelly7445]

Always I repeat always do dirt solo. And don't be greedy, greed is just as bad as involving multiple people in your dirt. Dummies

[@likearockcm]

@@justinkelly7445 All of them would have gotten away with it and had enough money for the rest of their lives if they would of quit.Greed and the thrill (addiction) to getting away with it was their downfall.

[@teacfan1080]

During the 90's I think, there was an episode on a series called "Breaking Vegas" about a guy who worked on the Nevada Gaming Board. He would go in and check the computer code on slot machines to see if they matched what should be in there. Then he decides to get a buddy and cheat the system. Using his programmer, he would actually reprogram the software to pay out a jackpot based on a certain series of coins played. His buddy would then play that series and hit the jackpot. But like all the other cheats, too much greed got in the way and eventually he was busted.

[@riqqarddopv7918]

How much time did him and his buddy get in the slammer

[@LaiyaUnscripted]

tell us!

[@timlewis7218]

They got jobs and time served.

[@timlewis7218]

One of em' went back to crime got busted again.

[@backyardbirderhd4562]

These guys are heroes.

[@mrjuse5470]

I love this series and shows in general about casino cheats!

[@Junkman2008]

I can't do nothing but tip my hat to Nick. Went to his grave with his secrets. I don't condone crime but I really can't get mad at a guy for ripping off a business that rips so many people off every day. I don't think they even felt what money he stole.

[@aaronbrown9619]

He is a real life Hero to me!

[@chubbs1942sf]

Agree 100 percent.

[@monmaxwitnaojulgri6032]

He should've sold his secrets to a book publisher or into e-book in Amazon so we can continue his legacy instead of just rotting in jail 😆🤣

[@Liverpoolboy01]

Nick is a hero, eff the casinos!

[@vigilante_stark]

These guys will live long in our hearts.

[@DexterHaven]

I heard they have a chip on their shoulder now.

[@GaZonk100]

lol

[@allstargrey]

The dude that told the stripper would absolutely not be my boy anymore

[@low-cozmic3364]

Casinos can deny to let you cash in chips without any justification. Anyone stealing from casinos is a hero

[@thebellcurve3437]

Stop lying, you just made that up.

[@jessereale]

Actually they can't because that's enforced by the gambling commission. The Casinos are still criminals though

[@thebellcurve3437]

@@jessereale How are they criminals?

[@low-cozmic3364]

@@jessereale Most people don’t know the law regarding and they are not informed on it either. Casinos just threaten to call the authorities as soon as a gambler protests. They are sneaky and criminals

[@avant-gardemarmalade7605]

The only situation that I've came across that a person wouldn't be paid out is they refuse to show any form of identification

[@m.s682]

Good to know they take counterfeit more seriously then rapist and murders...what a crooked system...makes me sick!

[@juditharsenault2131]

The love of money is the root of all evil.

[@thechosenone1288]

Looks like the guy was the mastermind and his druggy friend benefited from the whole thing. When he thought up the plan to paint the chips, he should have kept his mouth shut and tried to do it on his own. Told his druggy friend that “hey man, this is impossible. We gave it a go, catch you for beer this weekend.” The worry of cashing in the chips could have easily been overcome after doing a few trips to the cashier’s cage. The biggest thing in all this would have been to keep his mouth shut and keep the money away from his wife. Stash it in a secret account or open up a laundromat and literally launder the money. Oh well, bring in the druggy friend and reap the consequences.

[@zebraallday8332]

I like your style

[@comedybroski]

I like the way you think, let’s collaborate

[@Meanie010]

Every Heisenberg has his Cap 'n Cook

[@NotKD35]

I agree. He could have easily done this on his own and not been caught. Plus I assume the druggy pushed him to go for bigger chips and then he lived like a dumbass and got them caught. If it were me I would have stuck with $100 chips and maybe even $25s.. occasionally a $500. If he went into a casino 5 days per week and cashed in $500 he would have had $2500 a week. For sure $2000 net after supplies. That’s 100k a year. No fancy handbags but also no real job and all bills paid. I’m sure someone out there did it the way we both said and never got busted

[@johnthemachine]

sober people steal as well. Its a good lesson to learn early.

[@dvckclub]

wild that homie got away with $20k clean but went back again