Tensions Are Rising At Buffalo Airways | Ice Pilots NWT | Wonder

In this episode of Ice pilots NWT, David and Devin aren't seeing eye to eye when things in the air get messy. Rod and Corey are over in the UK as the next stop on their big flight, and a big argument kicks off with Buffalo Joe and the team back at base.
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Buffalo Airways is an airline based in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada. They mainly fly WWII-era piston powered propeller planes in minus 40 degrees and land on tiny strips of tarmac in the tundra.
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[@_Ben4810]

You gotta laugh at the McBryan's HR & labour relations policies...a captain-level pilot with 3000 hours working as a cargo labourer & when he dares to stand-up for himself the family response is ''that's not something you say when you've only been here 4 months...'' 4 MONTHS & he still hasn't flown...!?! 😯

[@publicmail2]

director: can we fight about something today?

[@yvesbajulaz]

Cuz he is a 3000 hrs pilot, not a low time young rampie… wasting his time there. Plenty of other places with cool planes where an experienced guy isn’t turned into a mail delivery guy and restarts at the complete bottom.

[@davidd6635]

Enjoy the Ice Pilot shows, but the Mismanagement of Talent is Phenomenal!! I would be surprised if Buffalo Air is actually in business the way it's portrayed. I've had enuf drama just watching.

[@Evan-ed7pu]

I love Mikey, but he forgets what its like not holding the cards in his hands with an employee. The dude has plenty of experience, he’s not making ultimatums he’s telling you he’s going to leave if he’s not going to start doing what you hired him to do. The 250 hour pilot doesn’t have much else in the form of opportunity and theyre just starting out so it makes sense to have them work up from the bottom. Not the same as the experienced guy. It’d be like if Mikey left to get another freight job and they made him work the ramp for a year before stepping into his logistic/manager role… I bet he’d change his tune/view then

[@GrumpyAustralian]

Mikey is the "Village Idiot" because he's not interest as to why people are leaving. The philosophy of "Use and Abuse" is the motto related to personnel management. Buffalo's management style sucks and I doubt Mikey would be able to hold a Freight Manager's post in a corporate environment.

[@madmadmal]

Two things: 1. Get a real ramp crew for Hay River not just sucking the life of pilots. 2. If you hire a pilot, let them do the job they are hired to do. Will wasn’t pilot making demands, Will was a pilot wanting to be a pilot, not a ramp hand.

[@mikehilbert9349]

I understand the getting to know the business and the planes side of being a rampie for a short period of time, but keeping pilots out of the sky for ego reasons is a bit ridiculous

[@TheBigDanois]

Note to self: Don't ship anything fragile thru Buffalo.😬 Disgrunted rampy. Bruce is just some plain old bloke in this.😂 🇬🇧up the irons!

[@andrewschmidt5312]

If Joe was a hospital administrator he would have the new hire surgeons cleaning floors. Unbelievable.

[@prof.heinous191]

In my day Yellowknife surgeons used to spend seven years licking the floor clean with their tongues, and be thankful if they ever got to even see a patient...

[@mikecee3058]

@@prof.heinous191 More proof that Canadians aren't that bright.

[@justicemaake684]

Joe runs his company as if he's a supervisor/foreman instead of a president. There's a Chief pilot and Director of flight operations but it seems like Joe decides who flies which plane and when. If that is not enough he's got a Director of maintenance but it seems like he's got the final say on who does what and when at the hangar. Whenever I watch ice pilots it seems like General manager and Director of maintenance can't do anything without the approval of Joe. He's got brilliant pilots and engineers/mechanics there at Buffalo airways

[@Cramblit]

It's his company in the end. While he does seem to have a bit more of a direct control on things, he does have every right to come back and say "why wasn't it done this way or that" or make sure things are going right. Which is what he seems to be trying to do. Like the argument at the start of the episode, but you're right there are times where it's like.. why are you even stepping in right now joe? lol

[@myredute]

Absolutely right. The best thing that could happen is for everyone to quit & start their own business in competition to Joe. Joe needs to back off & let people do their jobs!!!

[@haroldk724]

@@myredute 100% agree see if Joe can do it all on is own for a change

[@keithwolstenholme4238]

Micro managers are hated by all.

[@timheidel5849]

Joe is the classic guy that started a company from scratch and built it into something. That is quite an accomplishment. But those guys tend to micro-manage everything, which drives away good employees.

[@randallfriesen7797]

Wouldn’t it be easier to find a rampy than I pilot with 9000 hours

[@josepolotan6899]

I don't understand why the entry level job for a pilot is as a rampy. My dad started his career in P-51s in 1949 and finished with Lears and Falcons in the early 1990s. I doubt if he ever worked as a rampy.

[@homerohomero5563]

Will is in his right to given an ultimatum. He was hired to fly, not deliver cargo. If he's not flying, he's rusting-away his skills which can hurt his chances with other airlines when there's a "gap" in his log-book. Love you Mikey, but you're in the wrong brother!

[@gilleskesler2754]

Agree. You have a pilot that doesn't need training therefor saving money. He should have bump the last pilot who started training.

[@thegreatdominion949]

@@gilleskesler2754 He does need training, and probably a lot of it. He hasn't been checked out on any of the aircraft Buffalo flies commercially.

[@prof.heinous191]

I thought Mickey had way better management skills than his dad... If it wasn't for all the publicity would they ever find pilots?

[@a.b.6233]

If he weren't Joe's son would he ever find a managerial position in a company? I like him but he doesn't seem to be super bright.

[@sharoncassell9358]

Joe owns everything. Buys the planes. Owns the hangars. He's the boss.

[@sharoncassell9358]

He develops later.

[@frostyfrost4094]

Nostalgic time for me White Waltham aerodrome can remember walking around those hangars viewing the stars of the" Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" and Concorde being at Filton for 002 first flight .....

[@mikecee3058]

As long as there are people stupid enough to work there, then the company has no incentive to treat them any differently. Quite frankly, I'm not a fan of unions, but that's the perfect scenario for unionization.

[@ManicSalamander]

Not enough rampies to form a union.

[@Agislife1960]

I Love watching these old Ice Pilots episodes, but Id really like to know whats happening with Buffalo right now.

[@Ryan64987]

Mikey McBryan has a youtube channel, It's interesting to see buffalo in more of a vlogging style format.

[@quasarsavage]

yeah mikey but u hired a pilot not a 19 year old no experience rampee who goes to flight school on the weekends. like ur manipulating the guy so maybe he should take CAPT position in the S Pacific

[@quasarsavage]

he has the hours and age/knowledge, maybe u need to get better at recruiting rampees outta high school who are younger and not actual pilots like most freaking airlines

[@clarkevanmeter2676]

@@quasarsavage You've got to haze people for a while before you let them go off into those conditions. Joe walks a fine line. The problem is that he cuts it really close on headcount and when you're at the wrong end of the deal it is out of his control and probably a bit out of hand.

[@airborne63]

Before Wiltshire, they should have gone to the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Last I was there, there was the first Concorde, that was jammed with testing instruments, for stress tests....you could go in and look around. Great place to visit. South of Bristol, where M4 and M5 join.

[@Redgolf2]

The Tu-144 was the first. I saw Concorde flying, even more impressive was the sound of the engines!

[@gilleskesler2754]

It wasn't the first. It was a copy of Concord! Unfortunately they didn't copy all the plane and try to be the first flying. We all know what happen!!

[@prof.heinous191]

Impressive or shattering?

[@Kelbo77]

@@gilleskesler2754 I’d check the dates they first flew… The Ty-144 flew a year before the Concorde did.

[@stevegiboney4493]

@@Kelbo77 true, but it was junk.

[@RAUFBEDAR]

Well you got a great life ahead of you and guess what you look like a vintage pilot so I hope everything works out for you I wish you all the best mate

[@johnnoname6814]

THE TOXICITY OF THE MANAGEMENT IS INCREDIBLE WHY ANYBODY WOULD WORK OR CAN WORK THERE IS A MYSTERY

[@Alex462047]

I'm sure Mikey doesn't like pilots who make demands. But he has also employed a certified captain on the undertaking that said captain be flying, if not a DC-3 straight away, then something at least. But the captain is working ramp and driving courier vans like regular ground crew, getting zero flight time. I don't really know what Mikey expected from this guy. He's not a rookie pilot, he's done the yards, and Buffalo's issues with staff aren't his problem. So I think Mikey is being rather churlish and unjust. Just give the man some flight time and put somebody on who can help him on the ramp, even if it isn't another pilot. No need to get up in the snuff about it.

[@jayt9882]

Seeing the 46 in profile, it looks like someone forgot to disengage the air-line when they were inflating it. 😂

[@stephenpowell8750]

Buffalo Airways clearly haven't heard anything about CRM and probably never will either.

[@ABCDEF-xb3xo]

Joe doesn't respect anyone, why do they have such a big turn over? No one stays there for long just family. that shows boss sucks

[@mikehilbert9349]

The guy wants to be there, that is why he made the ultimatum

[@PeachSucks331]

I love ice pilots

[@MrMoelbach]

It is a very Strange company...... Very....

[@EnufIsTooMuch]

Wow, I cannot imagine staying on with Bufflo! Its more than a little amazing that anyone stays working for Buffalo. The owners abuse their people, accept zero responsibility for their bad management behaviors. To take a pilot with that much flight experience and a love of vintage aircraft and pummel him with moving freight on the ground is just incredibly wasteful. There's a lesson not enough managers ever learn, the company's troubles ALWAYS start at the top.

[@rosebudadkins6803]

I enjoy and love this show. However the personal issues are killing the airline and moral. They need some hardcore written policies. Everybody needs to know them. Joe needs to stop micromanaging. Delvin is a hell of a pilot. He has done well. Great to watch his progress. 😁

[@Pkarchpray16]

Mikey and this companies stupid, you don't hire an experienced pilot and sideline him in an entry level job. Make him pay his dues sure. But do it in a position that is going to gain something for the company. Having him play delivery boy is just ignorant.

[@maurices5259]

ATA was the Air Transport Auxiliary, not Authority

[@Izaakwalton_]

I love this series but why do they feel the need to bombard us with background music constantly! I'm sick of it.

[@brittaschlotfeld4942]

they should have gone to duxford

[@prof.heinous191]

and Shuttleworth, and Avebury instead of the henge!

[@ahronrichards9611]

Hey ho lets go!

[@clipperjuan8797]

New episode?

[@oscarolie5743]

Tensions again???

[@donjones5793]

Seems Buffalo wants it always

[@alexdavies9162]

With the boom super sonic overture in development we should have another Concorde soon

[@charlesjay8818]

if they can find an engine manufacture to make them an engine

[@stevegiboney4493]

They have a problem, rolls Royce has stated they are no longer going to build the engines.

[@gounchface]

Rod how are you doing.i went to school you at nait.

[@danielobanla5466]

Iceee

[@Aeronaut1975]

40:46 Incorrect. The World's first supersonic passenger aircraft was the USSR's Tu-144. However, it was awful in comparison to the mighty Concorde.

[@ryzlot]

Such emotional babies - drama queens all the way JR

[@stevehoward3981]

These are from years ago.

[@TheBrittKoball]

I have a similar management style to Joey --- but he takes it too far. Fires too easily in an industry where you need specialized help. Fire Corey? Who will take his place? Joe gets HOT.

[@Cramblit]

I think Joe throws the threat of firing around more than he actually would, because he knows people are there because they want to be around the vintage planes, and many of them either live up there, or traveled across the world to be there, and aren't about to leave. So he seems to throw that threat around knowing in 99% of the cases, it makes them do what he wants.

[@toothlessseer3153]

22:15 One cannot miss an American... _(real 'sharp' dressers )_ 😜

[@bobbates7343]

I sure would not be doing that job if I was already a qualified commercial pilot . As for flying a DC-3 the guy should go fly modern planes and work up to huge planes then he can go to some aircraft flying museum and I am sure they would train him to fly a DC-3 if he was already Capt. of a 747

[@highflyerl23]

Doesn't seem like a nice place to work.

[@veritas41photo]

C'mon, guys... What kind of rocket-science brains are required to know that you need different electrical plugs in Great Britain as compared to Canada? Jeeeeezch!

[@a.b.6233]

Apparently Canadians are not rocket scientists.

[@leefoster4133]

Maybe the way they want it. But if I was a pilot then am a pilot. Not a load toad.

[@ZAN-THE-GOAT]

London was the most scariest place I have been to. It should be called India as every store was owned by Indian’s

[@a.b.6233]

Londonstan.

[@garyfischer4357]

I would rather be a plumber.

[@Dave-df1vu]

besides mikey does not know how to fly.i have watched to many of their videos. i couldnt work for joe let alone mikey

[@Greggg57]

What a bunch of BS. His angle was wrong....... This show must be written for 5th graders.

[@seamusmcshean260]

Mikey will last long enough to run the company in the future, he looks very over weight and unwell. He wouldn’t know a days work that lad if it hit him in the face!

[@johnpartridge7623]

Brilliant Programme, I think Will was wrong to mouth off like that to His Boss, Mikey. If he apologises & admits he was in the wrong, then hopefully Mikey will let Him stay, at the end of the Day, it was Will's choice to go there nobody forced him & sometimes no matter the Qualifications & skill you have, you still start at the bottom.

[@smaze1782]

But Will was hired to fly, not be a ramp agent. Plus no one’s communicating with him about a timeline or anything else. Will has every right to be upset.

[@Holocaustica]

plastic drama

[@J__J704]

Second

[@mikeabc5355]

Joe is a necessary evil in any successful company but he does take it too far sometimes he does not understand that people are not machines that everyone has filings and that some very good people are not interested in tolerating joe's BS.

[@monoman4083]

early comment

[@jamesharris184]

It was really cool when I found out those planes are all blue screen and nothing's in the air AI is awesome. Otherwise I thought those things were flying coffins.

[@stephend2239]

Fire Rod and get your son in check, this is a business and professionalism is paramount. You do not talk to your boss like that unless you're quitting on the spot and your director of maintenance doesn't yell at you about a guy that just disrespected you in front of other team members. Rod should be fired and Dir of maintenance be put on a final.

[@a.b.6233]

You're correct but even an employer shouldn't treat his employees like Joe does. I'm sure that everybody has got a snapping point, probably Rod reached his. Now, if they are two intelligent, professional and good men, I'm sure they can easily resolve this situation with a hand shake and a beer after a day or two of cooldown.

[@stephend2239]

@@a.b.6233 Agreed. Yes, Joe needs some HR training. He should just bring in an HR Dept. and slowly change things, they arre a big enough company. That would also change the edginess of Buffalo too, and then it would be like First Air 😂 🤣

[@naknaksdadn572]

Regarding Will, i remember when i was on the job with 25 years experience and these new guys would come in giving their ultimatums! We would just point to the door they came in and said, go out the way you come in, there will be someone else coming in right behind you! Pay your dues like we paid ours or....quit, nobody will even know or care you were here.

[@a.b.6233]

He doesn't have to pay his dues, he's already got enough experience and other opportunities. I'm sure that as a rampie he doesn't get paid as much as if he were flying, so he's actually wasting money by being there.

[@charlesjay8818]

that's a bit like saying a doctor starting a job in a hospital should start at the bottom and clean the floors or work in the cafeteria, or a highly trained lawyer working in the mail room, not everyone need to start at the bottom

[@naknaksdadn572]

@@charlesjay8818 These folks i opine about walk in from training school, with the ink on their ID cards still wet. They come in believing they are going to tell someone like myself how to do a job i have been doing before they were even born? No way... in my line of work you start at the bottom, period.

[@charlesjay8818]

@@naknaksdadn572 the pilot had 3000 hrs under his belt, hardly a new pilot with the ink drying. And there are sooo many examples of young people who come into a company with more experience and qulifications and take higher positions than older people who have been there ages, or just rise faster than older people in the company. You sound like one of those bitter old men who got left behind. A uni graduate starts working for McDonalds lets say.... starts as assistant manager and after let say a year gets the managers job, a man/woman who is 30 been working there since leaving school is still prepping or working on the till on minimum wage.... just as an example, this happens everywhere.... Sorry but i don't agree that EVERYONE should simply start at the bottom simply because they are new to the company. Your views are the 19th/early 20th century

[@SyTrades]

I love the content and shenanigan's of this show but my god this is a horridly run company, these poor pilots picking up mail and new learners getting birated instead of given constructive criticism.... Man I miss Arnie

[@robberes6799]

This show is soooo scripted and fake!!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@buddyrebel_Garcia]

Ukraine donatons? Are you freaking kidding me. You are in this propanganda too? How about donating some to Vets or homeless?

[@sharonneethling2243]

I know nothing about planes but wat I do know that if you apply for a job as a pilot and you get the job. Then you fly as a pilot not a parcel pusher as that undermine s your qualifications as a pilot . I mean really some bosses head's can get really big and at the end of the day it's a male ego thing. Mike had already had a guy quite . So that says something as well.

[@DJea-ni2yk]

Yeah, and the US airline that was the cause of that deadly crash in 2000 was none other than Continental (Scabinental}. They like to drop loose aircraft parts onto runway's and leave them there for other airlines to run over on their takeoff runs!!!

[@Pkarchpray16]

Mikey and this companies stupid, you don't hire an experienced pilot and sideline him in an entry level job. Make him pay his dues sure. But do it in a position that is going to gain something for the company. Having him play delivery boy is just ignorant.