Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points I THE GREAT WAR WEEK 181

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@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
Great news, we made a deal with the Illuminati that every time you complain that Wilson brought the income tax and was a racist, we get 1 penny and two pennies when you call him a hypocrite or the worst US president. All you need to do is post the comments here: screamintothevoid.com/ By our calculations, we should be able to finance the show with this for the upcoming decade.
@illuindb
@illuindb 7 жыл бұрын
XD
@buddyollie7400
@buddyollie7400 7 жыл бұрын
The Great War shiiiettt
@silvioevan11
@silvioevan11 7 жыл бұрын
Funny ;-) Nobody (ok, ok: almost nobody) really cares about "racism", "sexism", whatever. The majority of these complainers are just doing a performance in a cheap "virtue signaling" circus.
@equarg
@equarg 7 жыл бұрын
The Great War I did what you asked.... Glad I got THAT off my chest!😆
@titanuranus3095
@titanuranus3095 7 жыл бұрын
If you care about history you ought to hate Wilson, he was a terrible historian who helped spread the 'lost cause' myth about the american civil war.
@maxmustermann9058
@maxmustermann9058 7 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the 14 points, one of the bulletpoints that are always making it into the history test
@oneofmanyjames-es1643
@oneofmanyjames-es1643 7 жыл бұрын
Don't get me started
@James--Parker
@James--Parker 7 жыл бұрын
I am sure the France and Britain will take these 14 points to heart and wont demand unreasonable terms of surrender if they win.
@TormentedToast13
@TormentedToast13 7 жыл бұрын
It was France that wanted Germany destroyed, Britain wanted Germany to still be relatively strong so they could trade, and to maintain a balance of power.
@fat1fared
@fat1fared 6 жыл бұрын
Wilson was actually very 'sympathetic' to the French position on Germany after the war, and it was actually Britain which most strongly argued against overly punitive measures after the war.
@James--Parker
@James--Parker 6 жыл бұрын
Wilson was basically on his death bed by the time the negotiations started, so the US position in the negotiations where being handled by other people in his name at that point.
@mabo501
@mabo501 4 жыл бұрын
@Fabian Kirchgessner the americans didnt oppose this view.
@bobharvey6957
@bobharvey6957 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, just like the germans will be fair to russia when it surrenders, and like they planned to be to france and england if they surrendered
@alienworm1999
@alienworm1999 7 жыл бұрын
I feel a strange disturbance, as if millions of high school history students all cried out in joy and were suddenly silent.
@James--Parker
@James--Parker 7 жыл бұрын
Er what?
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
We felt the same.
@equarg
@equarg 7 жыл бұрын
😊I have been binge watching your WW1 series and am on week 87. Thank you so much, I have been telling everyone I know about this amazing channel!
@camilogonzalez5576
@camilogonzalez5576 7 жыл бұрын
equarg don't do that. You'll eventually catch up with us and then you'll have to watch it one episode a week like any common peasant...
@clementcharpentier9058
@clementcharpentier9058 7 жыл бұрын
equarg morover it's winter and there is not mutch that append every week you should wait so you catch up with us. When the German at going to attack.
@dungeonmaster201
@dungeonmaster201 7 жыл бұрын
Clément Charpentier I’ve been here since week like 3 it’s amazing how much has changed over the years on this channel
@equarg
@equarg 7 жыл бұрын
camilo gonzalez 😂😂😂😂😂😂 But he has so many side episodes and extras!!! Plus I can rematch episodes and take NOTES!
@equarg
@equarg 7 жыл бұрын
I GOT POSTED!😄😄😄😄😄😄
@winstonsmith6708
@winstonsmith6708 7 жыл бұрын
Wilson's 14 points were great and all but I'm sure leaders at the time thought he had a lot of nerve making such grand demands when the US had done (comparatively) so little in the war.
@KKKKKKK777js
@KKKKKKK777js 7 жыл бұрын
Well the only major economy that was not in debt was The USA. And most of the american allies owed money to them. So it is not as much about war contribution as it is about the balance of power after the war.
@winstonsmith6708
@winstonsmith6708 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree. It must have been a tough pill to swallow though.
@winstonsmith6708
@winstonsmith6708 7 жыл бұрын
Also true to an extent. We see British and French colonialism clinging on after the war and I'm sure the treaty of Versailles was not exactly what Wilson had in mind.
@KKKKKKK777js
@KKKKKKK777js 7 жыл бұрын
I would argue that the US could have pushed harder for a more leniant peace on germany, but the american people chose to isolate themselves from international politics. I mean The US never even joined the League of Nations, an organization created on the basis of Wilsons 14th point. Ignoring Europe and the fall of euoropean democracies would stop only when an american state was attackted directly. The mistake made at the end of WWI would not be reapeted after the WWII.
@JimfromBuffalo
@JimfromBuffalo 7 жыл бұрын
KKKKKKK777js we had a HUGE debt after WWI. Then Harding and Coolidge cut spending and paid it off!
@orenashkenazi9813
@orenashkenazi9813 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, we're in 1918. That means we can finally start being right when we say the war will be over by Christmas!
@Soonzuh
@Soonzuh 7 жыл бұрын
There will not be peace until well into 1919. The armistice of 1918 did not include a halt to the deadly sea blockade.
@James--Parker
@James--Parker 7 жыл бұрын
Yea I am sure the Germans will win any day now. There is now way the allies could last till Christmas much less turn this around.
@juanma6898
@juanma6898 7 жыл бұрын
Classic
@fristnamelastname5549
@fristnamelastname5549 5 жыл бұрын
I am one year ahead of you. And the War is not yet over.
@brianoreilly3001
@brianoreilly3001 7 жыл бұрын
what will Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf do this year only time will tell!!!
@MadsBoldingMusic
@MadsBoldingMusic 7 жыл бұрын
Groom his 'stache, with any luck!
@rezajafari6395
@rezajafari6395 7 жыл бұрын
Find out in the next episode of ~~Dragonball Z~~ The Great War!
@Kinglorrecom
@Kinglorrecom 7 жыл бұрын
A great while ago i complained about the new set but honestly its grown on me a lot now. I understood Flo would one day come with an explanation or something but honestly if that's still happening I don't think its necessary, I think the new set is great now. :') Great work as always Great War Team, your editing style is amazing and its the small things like ambient chatter on the Woodrow Wilson footage, that passion that makes me come back every single time.
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
we love it too and so does our camera
@massaweed420
@massaweed420 7 жыл бұрын
I liked the old one better as well as the old intro song, but those are just minor details, the show would be fantastic regardless of background or music used...
@ankureros6272
@ankureros6272 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so so glad that I found this dedicated and thorough channel. I admit I'm new to this journey with the war to end all wars, and am still going through 1915, but it's such a glorious journey! Thanks to all the people who help make this show come alive!
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 7 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention a quote from French president about Wilson's 14 points: "God himself only wrote 10 commandments, not 14"
@LawlaGaming
@LawlaGaming 7 жыл бұрын
It seems like that Wilson is a little bit biased against the Germans...
@proxel96
@proxel96 7 жыл бұрын
True. Although the US was on the allied side and aiming to help them win, against the Germans. As such bias is hard to avoid I would think.
@CzechLion1918
@CzechLion1918 7 жыл бұрын
Wilson is the best
@ThatGhillieGuy
@ThatGhillieGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Allied Forces were the bad guys in WWI
@James--Parker
@James--Parker 7 жыл бұрын
He actually had by far and away the most reasonable demands of the allies. I don't know what you where expecting it's not like the US was neutral.
@Nosirt
@Nosirt 7 жыл бұрын
"It seems like that Wilson is a little bit biased against the Germans..." *HE WAS FIGHTING THE GERMANS FOR YEARS AND LOST 100K MEN* what you think he was gonna give them whole of poland??
@comet1970
@comet1970 7 жыл бұрын
In addition to Wilson's 14 points, January 1918 was noteworthy in the United States for a coal shortage in the Midwest and Northeast during blizzards and sub-zero F weather. The Fuel Administration ordered almost all industrial plants east of the Mississippi to close for five days (Jan 18-22) in order to free fuel for ships filled with war materials for Europe. This order also included schools and churches. Everything was also to shut down every Monday for the next ten weeks. A quick Google scan also shows coal shortages in Toronto and London at the same time. Apparently the shortage in the United States had its roots in the government takeover of the railroads in August and not allotting enough rail cars to the mines to provide a stockpile for the winter.
@WolfyOfHonor
@WolfyOfHonor 7 жыл бұрын
After The Great War please create a second channel of "In between the wars" that would cover the time between the first and a second world war. This is such an underrated age that is definitely not talked about enough. I think most of the people here would be interested in that.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 7 жыл бұрын
So glad The 14 Points were implemented to the last point...
@poolsoup6650
@poolsoup6650 7 жыл бұрын
V. Athanasiou I might be wrong, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe Wilson was too sick to attend negotiations.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 7 жыл бұрын
+Alexander The Turtle It's not just Wilson. International relations and morality are of a diametrically opposite nature. Also, some of his 14 Points were vague and contradicted each other...
@Aren-1997
@Aren-1997 7 жыл бұрын
Not really the point about ottoman minorities went horribly wrong with those minorities being once again massacred and driven out their lands into the 1920s.
@TheWoollyFrog
@TheWoollyFrog 7 жыл бұрын
So glad the Austrians of South Tyrol live in Italy. So glad that no other South Slav groups were mentioned so that after the war their lands could get divided between the Italians and Serbs. So glad Poland was given access to the sea effectively separating East Prussia from the rest of Germany. I am sure this didn't contribute to German revanchism later on. So glad the concerns of colonial populations should have equal weight to those of the imperial masters therefore leading to a deadlock and no change while territories belonging to the losing side should benefit from "autonomous development". So glad "autonomous development" and self-determination were so broadly defined and abstract to the point where the status quo could be interpreted to be the result of self-determination. So glad minority groups were offered hope of self-determination. I am sure no country embarked on a systematic elimination of the said groups in order to avoid the loss of territory. So glad free-trade was promoted. Nothing bad ever came from this ideology. These are flawless points!
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine 7 жыл бұрын
WW... Woodrow Wilson ? Willy Wonka ? ... Walter White ?
@ArtoriusRex
@ArtoriusRex 7 жыл бұрын
Duke of Lorraine World War ?
@themiddlecase
@themiddlecase 7 жыл бұрын
Little known fact - Woodrow Wilson had an RV parked behind the White House, where he developed a new variety of Crystal Meth.
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 7 жыл бұрын
Walter WInchel
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 7 жыл бұрын
You got me!
@cv4809
@cv4809 7 жыл бұрын
Duke of Lorraine Its a foreshadow for ww2...
@kstreet7438
@kstreet7438 7 жыл бұрын
I am so happy I found this channel. I watch every video within the hour.
@luciusavenus8715
@luciusavenus8715 7 жыл бұрын
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure ya did :)
@TheMustaphali
@TheMustaphali 7 жыл бұрын
Love you Indy!!
@donaldjones9830
@donaldjones9830 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this series. I started on this with week one a week ago. You did great research and was very informative. You did wonders with foreign names and places pronunciations.
@CrimsonDragon15
@CrimsonDragon15 7 жыл бұрын
Ah the 14 Points, the very points Wilson would admit he wasn't sure what he was talking about.
@marsoz_
@marsoz_ 7 жыл бұрын
I'm proud Australians voted against conscription throughout the war
@shawngilliland243
@shawngilliland243 6 жыл бұрын
That IS very impressive!
@dominicguye8058
@dominicguye8058 5 жыл бұрын
At least they got the option to vote on it. Many other nations declared that it was happening and that's that.
@WhitishSine8
@WhitishSine8 7 жыл бұрын
Something curious about Operation Michael is that it ended on april 5th And my birthday is on april 5th, Miguel is Michael in spanish, so this year I’ll be 19 and it will be a centenary since the end of a operation with my name
@janwacawik7432
@janwacawik7432 7 жыл бұрын
Howdy, Indy and crew! Now that you've answered one of my questions, I have a next one. Many countries fielded units consisting of soldiers of different nations: the British had soldiers from dominions like ANZAC, Austro-Hungarians had Polish Legions, Russians had Latvian Rifles and so on. Did Germany deploy such units? I don't mean troops from colonies, but something like Escadrille Lafayette or General Haller's Third Polish Brigade, aka the Blue Army, serving with the French. And a little tip, my surname is pronounced like "Vatslavik".
@Fujihoffmann
@Fujihoffmann 7 жыл бұрын
Creds to you Indy! German names, French, Swedish names and Finish, your pronunciation is so good! Also fantastic channel!
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 7 жыл бұрын
Another great episode
@roadrunner0812
@roadrunner0812 7 жыл бұрын
To my grandfather. You are now in the war somewhere in the west. You didn't really know who this kid was that visited you every year for a week. Sadly dementia has hit you and left you with the memories of the artillery that you fired towards the French and your love for your young wife that you would meet very soon. You would live on as a teacher, forget that there was another aweful war and followed your wife passing on with 85 years. Thank you for sharing those stories with this kid. Great show!
@reidgowan2670
@reidgowan2670 7 жыл бұрын
What timing. We talked about this in history class today! Great video!
@plancusc4g954
@plancusc4g954 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Great War! Happy Thursday!
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting dissection of Wilson's Fourteen points. I guess at the time it seemed that this was something the world needed. But was destined to fall short. Great job.
@citywokbesitzer6834
@citywokbesitzer6834 7 жыл бұрын
I really love this channel. It gives me alot of Information about WW1 and the other important people who had an important role in WW1 and in the following events. But sometimes It's really hard to understand everything because I'm from germany and my English is not that good. But I still have to say that this channel is one of the best channels on KZbin. Keep up the great Work.
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
Wenn du eine Frage hast, kannst du einfach fragen. Grüße aus Berlin.
@ognjenpetrovic5843
@ognjenpetrovic5843 7 жыл бұрын
11. Where is our access to the see now, WIlson?
@fristnamelastname5549
@fristnamelastname5549 5 жыл бұрын
Gone. Reduced to atoms.
@WAMTAT
@WAMTAT 7 жыл бұрын
Still best channel on KZbin, keep up the good work!
@thejadedeagle6729
@thejadedeagle6729 5 жыл бұрын
"Bruchmuller is here to orchestrate the symphony of our 10,000 guns..." Kaiserschlacht is my favorite operation in BF1.
@WesternGopnik1
@WesternGopnik1 7 жыл бұрын
On my birthday, what a good video for it!
@radiomilano2346
@radiomilano2346 7 жыл бұрын
The war is coming to end. Nice to meet you! ( piacere di averti conosciuto! ).
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 7 жыл бұрын
I remember in my last year of College I wrote a paper about how Wilson's 14 points could be seen as the grandfather of what would eventually become the US's neoconservative foreign policy of the early 2000s
@jeremyheintz1479
@jeremyheintz1479 3 жыл бұрын
Wilson was the father of the "progressive" movement in the US. A horrible racist to.
@zknight4481
@zknight4481 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyheintz1479 Tell me you have no understanding of history without telling me you have no understanding of history. How did you even get to this channel?
@yankee3875
@yankee3875 7 жыл бұрын
Ah how could I forget, the 14 points, the brilliant and flawless plan of the genius Wilson to bring about peace to Europe. France, Britain and Italy will follow this to the letter, I’m sure of it
@tommcdonald1873
@tommcdonald1873 7 жыл бұрын
Indy, is right, the focus should be here on the 14 points themselves, WE all know Wilson's shortcomings but that is not the topic of discussion. The ability to place a moral objective to such a bloody conflict demonstrates Wilson needing to both justify the declaration of war and set measurable goals as to what would determine the immediate success of the conflict.
@clapman7
@clapman7 7 жыл бұрын
I finally caught up, just in time for the new episode to come out tomorrow.
@pavloskoropadsky1448
@pavloskoropadsky1448 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm can anyone confirm me this? The photo on 4:06 doesn't it depict a group of Ukrainian Blue Coats militiamen? Or Graycoats?
@falloutcosplay8802
@falloutcosplay8802 7 жыл бұрын
Because of your KZbin channel and the history that is in my own family I've decided become an historian I found out that my great great grandfather was a part of the 4th Light Horse I've collected over the last 2 years I have a lot of World War 1 and 2 memorabilia my two prize items are a 1885 Martini Henry and a German World War One helmet I would just like to say thank you and I'm sure there are many other people that are thinking the same thing keeping KZbin channel after you guys rock
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
Really cool Liam! Feeling very proud now.
@falloutcosplay8802
@falloutcosplay8802 4 жыл бұрын
@Superdude70 my rifle has the New South Wales stamp on it and the ^d^ Mark he definitely was used during World War 1 never thought about tracking a down possibly but I would have no idea how to do that would have to ask my boss
@falloutcosplay8802
@falloutcosplay8802 4 жыл бұрын
@Superdude70 definitely agree with that could have been used with home gard but you never know all things considered it doesn't speak only if it could it would tell a great story I'm sure
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 7 жыл бұрын
I've trying to research a great uncle's U.S. Army record and records of their battles. Shheeesh,... I think there's more information on the internet about Mars than documentation from WW1. Amazing job you guys do with the show. Any rate, more historical documents are available so I was able to confirm he was a machinegunner in the 37th Div (Ohio Nat Guard). However he departed NY harbor as a listed member of the 40th Div. Digging through documentation you begin to realize how chaotic it was trying to get the US Army put together and "trained". Reminds me of the Abbott and Costello skit "Who's on First?" What a cluster.
@erik8467
@erik8467 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering everything so in depth. Its amazing to see how this war affected all parts of the world and not only Europe, I was wondering if you guys could do an episode on Asia and how the Great war affected the countries/territories there.
@erik8467
@erik8467 7 жыл бұрын
Indiana Neidell thanks, will do!
@olha2
@olha2 7 жыл бұрын
What does Indy mean at 1:20 "annulment of treaties relating to Persia" ?
@hildoschutte6200
@hildoschutte6200 7 жыл бұрын
Since the 16th century there have been wars and border incidents between the Ottoman Empire and Persia. I guess that the reference is to the The Treaties of Erzurum of 1823 and 1847 that defined some of the borders between the Ottoman Empire and Persia, but which apparently were only finalised in 1914. So, The Ottomans probably had the ambition to annul these treaties and probably usurp a lager piece of Persia.
@CrazyAlienGames
@CrazyAlienGames 7 жыл бұрын
Wilson "let's do borders by self-determination" Also Wilson "give back Alsace-Lorraine despite the people there being German"
@lsq7833
@lsq7833 7 жыл бұрын
Alsatians are alsatians and were treated like shit by the germans for being part of the French nation since at least the French Revolution. My family is from Alsace, they were expelled from their homeland in 1871 because they had been officers in the French army since the time of Napoleon.
@jon-paulfilkins7820
@jon-paulfilkins7820 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure Mr Wilson is ware just how many little ethnic and cultural groups there are in Europe. I mean, you can't even get Manchester and Liverpool to choose between Blue and Red without a fight! ;)
@lsq7833
@lsq7833 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the Alsatians were pretty unhappy about 1871's annexion. They even made a re-education camp to beat "frenchness" out of the recalcitrant alsatians, crashed the local textile economy, treated alsatians like second class citizens forcing an exile of alsatians workers to France, and imported german industry workers there to "germanize" the lot. Meanwhile several of Napoleon's top officers were alsatians.
@vlanAlf
@vlanAlf 7 жыл бұрын
Just to be sure. Which Napoleon you mean? First or third?
@lsq7833
@lsq7833 7 жыл бұрын
vlanAlf the only real Napoleon.
@zexal4217
@zexal4217 7 жыл бұрын
Ahhh watching the videos as they come out week by week... Took me half a year to get here though XD
@Ashfielder
@Ashfielder 7 жыл бұрын
Breakthrough Müller, what a strategist. Even if he did borrow many of his strategies from British and Russian artillery doctrine.
@GP22508
@GP22508 7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I’ve been watching this channel for almost 4 years?!?!?
@marcusbinarao2518
@marcusbinarao2518 7 жыл бұрын
Really like the maps in your video.
@lisakeitel3957
@lisakeitel3957 5 жыл бұрын
Dominican Republic was invaded by US in those years , with the excuse of a failed loan. They also annexed a schunk of Cuba, and never asked Puerto Rico about their military occupation. No morals were involved in the 14 points either.
@NosyFella
@NosyFella 7 жыл бұрын
Will miss this channel when it's over. Why oh why did the war have to be so short?!?
@MrRenegadeshinobi
@MrRenegadeshinobi 7 жыл бұрын
Armitage Shanks for once, I'm praying for war to continue.
@monks311
@monks311 7 жыл бұрын
Remember, WW2 is on the horizon.
@whoaminow100
@whoaminow100 7 жыл бұрын
there were over a dozen other wars between WW1 and WW2. they could cover those.
@scottski02
@scottski02 7 жыл бұрын
+richard reeves I hope they cover the Russian Civil War in it's entirety.
@TheWoollyFrog
@TheWoollyFrog 7 жыл бұрын
Are you seriously wishing there were more deaths and destruction?
@ascaloncrusader
@ascaloncrusader 7 жыл бұрын
I hate my job. Should’ve been a historian.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 7 жыл бұрын
You and me brother
@ascaloncrusader
@ascaloncrusader 7 жыл бұрын
merdiolu Amen!
@amir5145
@amir5145 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Indy love the show During holiday I visited a World War One museum explaining about The war in the Alps,I found a picture of a crashed aeroplane buried in the snow. Could it have been possible for a plane to fly in these type of temperatures? If so how could it have flown and why? Many thanks Amir.
@dpink4832
@dpink4832 7 жыл бұрын
I love this episode guys. I need to set up a Patrion asap
@cagdas135
@cagdas135 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty idealistic where it suits US interests. Not so much when it doesn't.
@leowilly29
@leowilly29 7 жыл бұрын
Freedom in exchange of oil?
@johnquincyadamsthetankengi3680
@johnquincyadamsthetankengi3680 7 жыл бұрын
Operation Iraqi “Freedom”
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 7 жыл бұрын
And that, my friend, is the way of the world. South Park did a great coverage of it in their "Pussies and Dicks" segment. There is so much hypocrisy in all government, everywhere, that trying to define it in order to limit its negative effect is a labor of Hercules. Remember the layers of the onion principle: if you see a truth, it's only the next layer of the onion peeling away . . . leaving plenty more behind.
@Nosirt
@Nosirt 7 жыл бұрын
WOW you just learned what geopolitics is! welcome to the wolrd!
@EverettGuenther
@EverettGuenther 5 жыл бұрын
Ethnic self determination and all that but we’re still gonna colonize Puerto Rico and Cuba lol
@d.ag.b1135
@d.ag.b1135 7 жыл бұрын
Someday, I'll sit down and watch this whole channel. This is not that day.
@mackrosenbury4359
@mackrosenbury4359 7 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be in a reenactment of the German Spring offensive this April!
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 7 жыл бұрын
Ottoman Campaign to Caucaus by Third Ottoman Army was carefully planned (unlike Sarikamis Fiasco in 1914) and used Empire's last and best resources remained including manpower and material. By then Berlin Baghdad railway extended beyond Erzurum and Turks even gathered up some motorised vehicles along with pack animals for logistical tail to reach Caucaus and get Baku first. Enver Pasha Ottoman Minister of war even offered double pay for every officer volunteered to serve in Caucaus Front and Third Army (later dubbed Turkish Islam Army) THAT was a strategically stupid move of couse , took vital reinforcements and material away from Middle East and left Syria-Jordan-Northern Iraq defenceless against British advance.
@MrHoeBow
@MrHoeBow 7 жыл бұрын
"With Access to the sea" And, with that, the second work war is set in motion a mere 20 years before its start.
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
It's a bit more complicated like that.
@MrHoeBow
@MrHoeBow 7 жыл бұрын
The Great War Well, certainly, and that's not even a major cause of it, but yknow.
@Bluehawk2008
@Bluehawk2008 7 жыл бұрын
"non-Ottoman nationalities" is a meaningless phrase that Wilson never used in the original phrasing of Point XII.
@bsansovich
@bsansovich 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think that I have ever really appreciated how much of an impact the first world war had on the future of the world. The fact that we still have people being "trolls" 100 years later shows how world war one did not end anything, it was just the prologue to the beginning of "modern" conflict. I know how pretencous that sounds.
@GrinderCB
@GrinderCB 7 жыл бұрын
Now that we're into 1918 in TGW and we (in 2018) know from history that the end is in sight, it'll be interesting to see the steps that lead from Wilson's 14 points to the actual armistice and the Treaty of Versailles, which levied blame on the Germans and set the stage for WW2. I'd often been taught about how Germany wasn't actually beaten but the leadership caved anyway and took the blame for the whole war (the German betrayal myth).
@anchorbait6662
@anchorbait6662 7 жыл бұрын
Stop trying to dictate my caucuses!
@monophthalmos9633
@monophthalmos9633 7 жыл бұрын
It's tragic how some people in Germany received these 14 points. They thought. that if they just signed an armistice and got rid of the emperor, there would be a comfortable peace treaty with those 14 points being the "worst case" scenario for the Central Powers, so in the end, the Germans effectively surrendered unconditionally, since they thought nothing bad would happen. A sad misunderstanding.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 7 жыл бұрын
Germany did not "surrender unconditionally" that happened in May 1945. Compiegne Armistice in November 1918 allowed German armies to evacuate occupied Belgium and Northern France intact and with their weapons back to Fatherland. (Actually German Right and Far Right made a great fanfare from that , staging great military parades in Berlin claiming new Republic president Ebert to troops "You were unbowed in the field" nonsense. That unbroken German militarism and "undefeated on field" myth caused World War 2) German Weimar Republic authority remained where it was and no one interfared German domestic affairs.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 7 жыл бұрын
And if you are talking about Versailles Treaty well it was not worse than what Germans were planning in case they won and incorporated Belgium , Luxemburg , Northern France , Rumenia and forced Russians in Brest Litovsk by subjagating Ukranie and Baltics as puppet states into German customs union / economic zones. German militarists were planning to swallow all of Belgium if they won. In Versailles Germany lost just 12 percent of its territory (mostly conflicted areas with minorities) instead. Actually Sevres Treaty and St. Germain Treaties forced on disintegrating Ottoman and Austia Hungarian Empires were way worse. Germany got off easy at Versailles since all Europe still needed an efficiently running German coal industry in Ruhr and sympathy first German republic gathered by overthrowing Imperial Monarchy.
@monophthalmos9633
@monophthalmos9633 7 жыл бұрын
I know that Germany didn't surrender unconditionally, but the chaos during the revolution and the counterrevolution made the difference miniscule. This whole thing about the German army being undefeated is a delicate subject. It is obvious that the German army was about to be defeated, it was only a matter of time, but the German army wasn't YET defeated, so Ebert's statement was technically correct. If you take the most hawkish ideas for German war goals and if you assume that they could actually negotiate a peace treaty that would fully implement this very extreme position, the result might be even worse than Versailles, but not only were those very hawkish goals not representative of the overall German position and beyond that it's impossible that the Central powers could pull off such a treaty. You can't compare the treaties with Austria-Hungary, Brest-Litowsk and the Treaty of Versailles. The Austro-Hungarian Empire and Tsarist Russia were multinational empires, while the German Empire was a mostly homogenous nation state. Alsace-Lorraine was predominantly German (87% German in 1900!) and the land in the east that was taken from Germany had minorities, but the new borders had little respect for ethnic or lingual borders creating huge German minorities. Wherever a referendum was held in the east, the population (even the Slavic minorities) voted to stay with Germany, the only exception being small border areas in Upper Silesia. Brest-Litowsk split up an empire, but it didn't create a Russian exclave (like East Prussia was after Versailles) and there were hardly any areas with a conceivable Russian majority that Russia lost due to the treaty of Brest-Litowsk. If splitting Ukraine and the Baltic states from Russia at Brest-Litowsk seems harsh to you, then the end of the Soviet Union must be really unfair for the Russians too, right?
@WhiteCamry
@WhiteCamry 7 жыл бұрын
What was that editorial cartoon @ 9:24 ?
@mrhowland210
@mrhowland210 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Indy and the Great War team I have been trying to find out about Albert jacka who I share my name with but I can’t seem to find much information on him other then he was a VC from world war 1 in the Australian army and his nickname was (Australian achillies) love your show since week one thank you
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
I would guess the Australian War Memorial will have a lot of information on him.
@rmalarkey188
@rmalarkey188 6 жыл бұрын
“I was seated between Jesus Christ and Napoleon.” - Lloyd George on Clemenceau and Wilson at Versailles.
@Zakhath
@Zakhath 7 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which musical piece are being used when he talks about the germans planing their spring offensive? I can't seem to match it to their regular soundtrack...
@atalipsos9799
@atalipsos9799 7 жыл бұрын
Well made !
@TheSciuzzo
@TheSciuzzo 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Indi, don't know if you've already covered it but did neutral nations such as Spain, Netherlands or Sweden send military observers to the frontlines?
@om0206
@om0206 7 жыл бұрын
Guglielmo Cellerai Don't know about Holland or Spain but Sweden did so on all fronts.
@veljkostevanovic7597
@veljkostevanovic7597 7 жыл бұрын
9:20 Serbia stated its war aims in Dec. 1914: The Niš Declaration (Serbian: Нишка декларација/Niška deklaracija) was a public declaration of war objectives of the Kingdom of Serbia made on 7 December 1914 after successful offensives of the Royal Serbian Army. The government issued a statement, approved by the National Assembly, which included a call for Yugoslav unification.
@dams6829
@dams6829 7 жыл бұрын
Can I see source for Latvia`s declaration please?
@monks311
@monks311 7 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the Marine come into play! And how they got the name "demon dogs" !!
@Hamburglar96
@Hamburglar96 7 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@angryperson6205
@angryperson6205 7 жыл бұрын
It's awesome that I get this video for my birthday😍😍😍😍😍
@apokos8871
@apokos8871 7 жыл бұрын
happy birthday
@angryperson6205
@angryperson6205 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@theblackprince1346
@theblackprince1346 7 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to hear about what the french and british soldiers did on the Italian front.
@tiggergolah
@tiggergolah 7 жыл бұрын
Some have argued that Wilson's arms control measures laid the groundwork for well-meaning nations to be unprepared for the next war, and thus encouraged aggression by those who began the next world war.
@varana
@varana 7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, no voluntary arms control measure (except, partly, for the use of biological and chemical weapons) was ever passed or enforced after WW1. If nations were unprepared, it was not because of that.
@ulyssesthomas2184
@ulyssesthomas2184 5 жыл бұрын
Still watching
@darthmango994
@darthmango994 Жыл бұрын
1:47
@adaw2d3222
@adaw2d3222 7 жыл бұрын
The dismantlement of Austria-Hungary and redrawing of the borders of Europe by Wilson, an American, almost directly led to the future conflicts of the Continent.
@willwin5752
@willwin5752 7 жыл бұрын
AH was going to fall apart either way, probably even more violently
@massaweed420
@massaweed420 7 жыл бұрын
I mean, it was pretty violent anyways...
@michealohaodha9351
@michealohaodha9351 7 жыл бұрын
Possibly. However the Habsburg's were never a regime which used severe repression or harsh military crackdowns. Its probable in my opinion that increased autonomy would have eventually been given grudgingly. The abrupt actions by the Allied leaders who had no knowledge of the area or its intricacies left no room for contingency plans to be drawn up guaranteeing chaos post Empire.
@KKKKKKK777js
@KKKKKKK777js 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair the Habsburgs had years before 1918 to grant nations autonomy. Most of the slavic nations had demanded political autonomy since 1866. But the empire was only willing to grant it in the fall of 1918, when the war was lost. It was far to late. Also the south slavs were facing anexation by a Italy and were almost forced to unite with a more friendly Entente member- Serbia.
@michealohaodha9351
@michealohaodha9351 7 жыл бұрын
Yes but giving increased autonomy pre-war came with a problem...Hungary. Hungary had for decades been belligerently nationalistic and had been assimilating and Magyarizing its Slavs. Do you think Hungary with its internal political and economic importance within the Enpire would have allowed the Slavs to do their own thing? Independent/ powerful Slavic nations weakened Hungary's position. That was the reason why the Hungarians celebrated the demise of Franz-Ferdinand (who had been considering forming a third, Slavic part to the Empire). The Habsburg's were in a delicate position throughout, though their unwillingness to consider reform was a big issue.
@brianoreilly3001
@brianoreilly3001 7 жыл бұрын
Svetozar Boroević von Bojna still the Best AH general
@jacobvanderhoeven1008
@jacobvanderhoeven1008 7 жыл бұрын
Brian OReilly what about the strategic genius Conrad Von Hotzendorf?
@ePiiCeaglepwner
@ePiiCeaglepwner 7 жыл бұрын
NO! Only the grand master Conrad will wear that title.
@thhseeking
@thhseeking 6 жыл бұрын
I think he's on a par with Luigi Cadorna :P
@harshaynvythi5281
@harshaynvythi5281 3 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Wilson's point of handing back alcasa Lorraine back to the French after all Prussia under Bismarck got fair and squarely to punish the French for attacking Prussia
@haydenellis8484
@haydenellis8484 7 жыл бұрын
What will you do once this series closes?
@xbox7
@xbox7 7 жыл бұрын
Do one for the interwar period and WWII!!!! Please!
@joshypoopyhead
@joshypoopyhead 7 жыл бұрын
Great video Indy! Just wondering if you are planning to do any videos of pre ww2 videos.?
@leehanhayder5900
@leehanhayder5900 7 жыл бұрын
i am fearing the near end of the show as the war would break
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 7 жыл бұрын
This is on my birthday!
@mikavink5307
@mikavink5307 7 жыл бұрын
what does the kukri have to do with ww1, did british already use it? was nepal in the war? where the ghurka warriors involved? ps. can i have it? ;-)
@blade5896
@blade5896 7 жыл бұрын
mika vink Ghurkas
@monsieurlaguillotine3481
@monsieurlaguillotine3481 7 жыл бұрын
After three years of blood and carnage...there's still eleven months, eleven days, and eleven hours, until it stops. For a while.
@HistorySoldier
@HistorySoldier 7 жыл бұрын
Will you guys do a video on the Civil War in Russia?
@nicolasmedina8307
@nicolasmedina8307 7 жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to make a special on Kaiserschlat since you guys made a special on the Schlieffen Plan?
@nicolasmedina8307
@nicolasmedina8307 7 жыл бұрын
Indiana Neidell I don't think you are the real Indy...
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
He is the real deal
@Soonzuh
@Soonzuh 7 жыл бұрын
*Kaiserschlacht
@nicolasmedina8307
@nicolasmedina8307 7 жыл бұрын
Indiana Neidell sorry I misjugde you and thanks for answering my question.
@1994CPK
@1994CPK 7 жыл бұрын
I wish Wilson didn't have a heart attack in Colorado, he could've been so much greater than he was.
@1994CPK
@1994CPK 7 жыл бұрын
John Quincy Adams the Tank Engine Not a fan I'm assuming?
@johnquincyadamsthetankengi3680
@johnquincyadamsthetankengi3680 7 жыл бұрын
1994CPK Lol no I was just making a joke playing off the fact that you specified that he shouldn’t have died in Colorado.
@1994CPK
@1994CPK 7 жыл бұрын
DankestKhan I know, that's why I like him. He was a badass
@simonegaetani4069
@simonegaetani4069 7 жыл бұрын
I know I'm late, but Austria-Hungary and Russia had their own planes, hadn't they? And if the had, how had they used them throughout the war? Were them at the same level of German and British/French ones?
@simonegaetani4069
@simonegaetani4069 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the answer
@ralphbernhard1757
@ralphbernhard1757 2 жыл бұрын
How Washington DC/US Internationalism/The American Century (all morphed into the current PNAC and a variety of think tanks today) intended to use "divide and conquer/rule"-strategies on "old Europe" starting around the turn of the century (around 1900). *Wilson's role in all of this is not clear, since it was never written down. According to logic and reasoning (based on what is known), Wilson was either not fully aware, or fully informed re. the above means by US think tanks to achieve global hegemony.* Or "a plan of sorts", because it would rely on "natural" European division. Wilson's "14 Point Speech" was of course not composed solely by Wilson himself. It was based on the work of a new York-based think tank/interest group called the Inquiry. While this produced remarkably fair solutions for many regions of the world (see for example the creation of Armenia and Kurdistan based solely on ethnicity), re. the vital Central Europe it was simply a "catalogue of historical excuses" which the 150 "experts" (LOL) had come up with and which would grant the "associated European winners" of WW1 a draft to ignore wise biblical advice: - do onto others as one wishes for oneself (aka "self-determination") - put yourself in the shoes of others (note, the Bible doesn't say that *one has to like those* in which shoes one is invited to step into) These are simple unbiased universal priciples. Clear and easy to understand to most people, since they form the basis of many religions (as moral guidelines for both the religious, as well as the growing number of atheists/agnostics, for example The Golden Rule) and wise age-old advice to stop the "sowing" of unprincipled deeds which all have to be "reaped" later on... *If the 14 Points were not universally valid principles, then what were they?* Correct answer: a Washington DC strategy of "divide" (Europeans) and "rule" (the world). From wiki: "Lippmann's draft territorial points were a direct response to the secret treaties of the European Allies, which Lippmann had been shown by Secretary of War Newton D. Baker.[7] Lippmann's task, according to House, was "to take the secret treaties, analyze the parts which were tolerable, and separate them from those which were regarded as intolerable, and then develop a position which conceded as much to the Allies as it could, but took away the poison.... It was all keyed upon the secret treaties."[7] Sources are of course, always at the bottom of that wiki page. The above is of course and example of *favoratism* (a tactic of "divide and rule"), and not a "universal principle". If they had been universal principles, then not only would the London Treaty of 1915 (regarding the secret carving up of Austria-Hungary, made to draw Italy into WW1) have been declared null and void, but also all other secret scheming and backdoor deals, like Sykes-Picot. So. They were *not* universal principles. The "14 points" were a transparent Washington DC attempt at "division", and the vain European "winners" fell for it. Wilson intention was clearly to arm-wrestle "the winners" into agreeing to an international organisation which would hopefully make all future wars impossible, or limit their scope to "limited/local wars". Also of course to lobby with all his power (faltering, since already in a weak a state of health) to convince his fellow Americans on all levels of society, that this was the right thing to do. Either that, or convince them to enter into a wise peace, which would settle long-standing European differences based on "principles" of sorts. *The end effect of such naivity on Wilson's part was that he achieved neither goal: Neither the "international organisation/round table" or "concert" of powers, nor a wise peace.* He had underestimated both the stupidity of European leaders stuck in their old ways, and his own population and their representitive form of government aka "democracy" (Senate of course at the time "around 1900" until 1913 was not directly elected yet, but was a "peer-controlled group" of insiders). In case he did understand fully what was behind the 14 Points, he did not say. Of course, every US POTUS has the obligation to put US interests first. These included breaking away from a European dominated world, as well as find markets for own steadily growing US industries. Simple lesson of history. Be principled. If not, get "divided" and "ruled over"...
@mradonis252
@mradonis252 7 жыл бұрын
hi Indy, this is for out of the trenches. I see that you have a kukri on your desk, my question is what part did the Gurkha's have to play in world war 1?
@wrongway1100
@wrongway1100 7 жыл бұрын
I like the free trade thing, but Wilson had no real business in telling what others should do. That is between the local peoples to sort out. The US entered to defend itself and trade.
@noobster4779
@noobster4779 7 жыл бұрын
"defend itself" yeah sure, because there was a major thread of german invasion in 1917 ^^ the US entered the war for the reason of rising to a major world nation and getting a ton of money out of it. Workt out well for them. ^^
@wrongway1100
@wrongway1100 7 жыл бұрын
Noobster Well no. You see Germany tried to coax Mexico into invading the US. The idea was if the US was busy with a war on the homeland, it would be too busy to handle Germany which would then be launching an unrestricted submarine campaign against US shipping to Europe. Mexico considered the proposal. The US only had a hundred thousand troops spread throughout the country and logistics was terrible. They rejected it only because they would have an impossible time holding a on to any territory gained (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico) against an armed populis. The Great War mentions the entry of the US into the war and why. Perhaps you should watch it.
@noobster4779
@noobster4779 7 жыл бұрын
That still isnt really defending yourself ^^ After all the Telegramm was far before they entered the war and Mexico was as you mentioned no thread at all to the US. My point are still true. If the US would be threatend by mexico, why didnt they preemtively attakc mexico or defend the border properly? declaring war against germany didnt secure the southern border at all. Well the US could have simply stopped traiding with the entente like germany requested or stayed out of the Uboat raiding zones or let the tradegoods be transported on entente ships instead of US ships, there were many far cheaper and easier methode of ending the uboat "threat" without loosing anythng. Wilsons 14 points are the best example that the US tries to become one of the big nations at that time. At the start of the war nobody would have taken the US seriously, but by entering in 1917 they were becoming a huge political power. Also Wilsons 14 points basically show the US main interest in the war was economical, aka free trade to the world. The US had after all the only really functioning industrie at that point in time.
@wrongway1100
@wrongway1100 7 жыл бұрын
Noobster Well for starters. The Mexico never mentioned either there rejection or acceptance to the proposal. Also I stated earlier that US Army logistics were in shambles. Combine that with the fact the US was concentrating on controlling the Philippines, the US was in no condition to launch any preemptive strike on Mexico. Especially since Mexico's intentions were not clear. As for the staying out of Germany's submarine attack zones. The Germans were planning unrestricted submarine warfare.The key word is "unrestricted". That means any ship of any nation anywhere. Furthermore, Germany had no right to restrict trade from the US. Especially since most of shipping was not weapons but food aid and materials. Before the Zimmerman telegraph the War was unpopular to both parties of Congress and to Wilson. After the Zimmerman telegraph, the War was still largely unpopular to Congress. Wilson barely got enough votes in Congress to go to war. Your argument is invalid. The US expansion was mainly in the Pacific. Germany was all but cut off from its colonies there when the war broke out or were seized by other allied powers shortly after its start. Entering the War would only further complicate things. Sending troops to Europe actually divided US forces. The Navy has to send ships from the Pacific to the Atlantic for escort duty. Marines were actually transferred from the Philippines to Europe during when the US was having a problem with guerillas in the Philippines. If anything our entry into the war was a hindrance. It would have been better if we did stay out of the war entirely, since US industry was booming. The only reason why US economy boomed was because the US had the only major industry left standing. Europe was rebuilding and Russia was recovering from a revolution. Your points are void.
@ironvader502
@ironvader502 7 жыл бұрын
wrongway1100 No, unrestricted U-Boat Warfare doesn't mean "any Ship anywhere", it means that they will attack and sink ships of neutral countries if they are on the way to the Entente and believed to carry warmaterials, without stopping & searching them first like international maritime law demands.
@GravesRWFiA
@GravesRWFiA 7 жыл бұрын
as indy points out the big deal with the 14 points were less what they were, but that they were. this had sunk down into a slogging match with a vague war aim of beat the other guy. suddenly someone else has put out firm ideas and since no one sels had any, you couldn't really say 'no' without looking like a jerk.
@cobbler9113
@cobbler9113 7 жыл бұрын
How many takes did it take for Indy to get the 14 points right? I'd just stutter and bumble my way through haha.
@cobbler9113
@cobbler9113 7 жыл бұрын
Top job. Thanks again for the great quality, this more or less appears the first thing I see whenever I go onto KZbin after work on Thursday evenings which has been the case since 2015 :)
@SunriseFireberry
@SunriseFireberry 7 жыл бұрын
10 months to go. Which war r u covering next? Will u get to 1M subs before Nov. 11/18?
@adamhoward5444
@adamhoward5444 7 жыл бұрын
1:00 you know i had to do it to em
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