The Frost River Isle Royale Jr. Bushcraft Pack

[@luketomaiuolo4754]

Good review of a cool product

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks buddy! 👍

[@pepejuan2924]

Great review thanks for posting 👍

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much!✌️

[@snowpuppy77]

Like my Frostriver Arrowhead your Jr Bushcraft is a beautiful pack. They have an aesthetic that enhances the experience in the woods for me. I am not ashamed to admit that aesthetics is an important part of smoothing it in the woods for me. These traditional materials are also quiet.

[@Woodswalker1965]

I have to agree with you. I smile a bit every time I put on that pack, it's a beautiful thing. Thanks for sharing that thought my friend!👊😎🌲

[@pinkiewerewolf]

Excellent look at the FR isle Royale Jr. I have always loved waxed canvas as a durable material for packs and clothing.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you so much, I love the look and feel of this type of equipment as well! Take care👍

[@markoss333]

My first time watching one of your videos. Great look at a great pack. I’ll be back.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching and for saying Hi! Hope you like my other content👍

[@mtk8020]

I have to say the your review of the pack really helped me make up my mind. Thank you. You have a new sub.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching my friend, glad to have you along. Let me know how you like the pack👍

[@cimbrerbushcraft-vikingheritag]

Great review my friend 👍🏻 Really love that rucksack Stay safe and enjoy life

[@Woodswalker1965]

Always, same to you buddy, thanks for the kind words!👍

[@MikeProut]

I love it! Very nostalgic but yet it’s still super functional. I love the look so much. Thanks for sharing Wade.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for stopping by buddy! She's a beaut for sure. Take care.

[@RandallPreiser]

Appreciated the distinction between bushcraft heaven duty pack and through hike light weight gear. Like a fast road bike bike and a mountain bike two different functions. Different gear for bush crafting and backpacking for longer hikes.

[@Woodswalker1965]

You're right. Ones not better than the other, just different👍 Thanks for watching!

[@andrewforster9665]

You gained a subscriber with this awesome review! Thank you for the comprehensive look at this amazing pack. I hope to have it soon for a daypack bushcraft bag.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it!👍

[@bosse641]

Sure looks nice. Like that old school style. Reminds me of my father's rucksack back in the 70s.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Ya it certainly has that vintage look that I like as well. Thanks very much for watching and commenting bud! Wade

[@stephenmayeske7792]

your videos are perfect for me. Smooth and competent. Thanks and I look forward to many more.

[@Woodswalker1965]

So great to hear that positive feedback my friend. Take care and see you soon!

[@BushCraftBums]

Hey my friend! Awesome video! Looks like a great bag! Thanks for Sharing! Stay blessed!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Same to you buddy, I appreciate the support and your kind words!👊

[@markstargate]

Very nice pack and I agree with you concerning the use for Bushcraft and activities where weight doesn‘t matters! Many greetings, Mark

[@Woodswalker1965]

Mark, thanks for watching and commenting! Take care, Wade

[@mike_outdoors4918]

That's a beautiful pack Wade, thanks for showing it.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks a lot Mike, take care!

[@BakerNo.9]

You did a great review. Thank you!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much for watching and the kind comment!👍🌲

[@TimintheBackwoods]

Great review as always Wade !! Perfect pack for day trippin' !!Lovin' the gear reviews Buddy !! You're super thorough and the descriptions are really informative !! Thanks for sharing !!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey Tim! Thanks very much my friend.I enjoy doing the reviews, gets me out in the woods for the day. Take care bud!

[@bobbyhill7948]

I have this same pack and this is pretty much all I take any time I do a one day camping trip

[@Woodswalker1965]

It’s a handy size for sure! Thanks for watching my friend 👍

[@auroraborealisknives4019]

Top quality workmanship on that pack !

[@Woodswalker1965]

For sure brother! Thanks !

[@mglennon5535]

Nice review. I love mine, a total tank. I usually make my oldest son, the pack-mule tote this bag, as my old arse opts for a lighter carry. She’ll last forever and is a great canoe pack. Total quality. Thanks for sharing! Cheers

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks very much for watching! It must be nice to have a "pack mule" 😁 lol!

[@pacificbushcraftandfirecra6358]

I love my GB Small forest ax! Very high quality pack for sure... frost river makes killer gear. TFS

[@Woodswalker1965]

Oh the SFA is a beautiful tool to own and use! Thanks a lot my friend! Wade

[@VeganBotany]

Your straps are still in really good condition for 4 - 5 months of use. Thanks for an informative video, I hope you keep having fun. :)

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks very much for watching. It still looks great now actually. Well built gear lasts. Take care😀👍

[@UpNorthAdventures]

Nice review! Gotta add this to my wish list. Frost river really makes great gear!

[@Woodswalker1965]

They do some great work for sure. I appreciate you watching! Wade

[@thomassterrett1905]

My next pack when I saved enough for it. It will help me to enjoy the good old outdoors.

[@Woodswalker1965]

It's worth the wait for sure. Thanks for watching 👍

[@deanpricepestboss]

Great review and walk through. Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much, I appreciate you!

[@wm819]

beauty pack....love the attention to detail.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks bro, she is sweet!

[@karaski24]

Ordered the isle royle sr. Just sent it back for this one. The jr is the perfect size for me.

[@Woodswalker1965]

I have to agree, it's a sweet spot!👊

[@Woodsman_wildcamper]

Good review Wade, those packs do look nice. I love those big bucket style packs, makes it stronger with less zips. Thanks for sharing, take care, buddy.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey Andy thanks a lot! My dog Zoe goes absolutely nuts whenever Rusty shows up in your videos haha! Take care Wade

[@xpansionteam1537]

Cheers man brilliant bag well presented.

[@Woodswalker1965]

I appreciate you taking the time to stop by 🙏

[@christyperkins8985]

Awesome video & review Wade! I've been looking at the Pathfinder pack by Duluth Pack, now that I've watched your outstanding video the choice is clear! Happy trails Wade!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks so much for watching and I'm glad it was helpful. I've owned Deluth Packs in the past and I prefer Frost River, totally personal decision. Take care and let me know if you buy a Frost River Pack!👍

[@ericsidolmind]

I like the term heirloom in describing this product. Im not as interested in the jr. as i am in the full size Isle Royale pack i must say. Either way, thank you for this in depth review. It has answered a few questions i had on this line from frost river. I hope it serves you well for many years to come.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you my friend I'm sure it will. Enjoy the Big Boy, that full size pack is a beast! 👍🌲 Take care

[@Epherneralps1]

I appreciate you taking the time doing this review. I made the decision to purchase this pack. I look forward to trying it out!

[@Woodswalker1965]

That's awesome to hear. Let me know how you like it!

[@paulsoutdooradventures1790]

Looks like a brilliant pack love all the brass roller Buckles

[@Woodswalker1965]

It's a beauty for sure buddy!

[@rossclay1233]

Great review of a great pack. I think I'm convinced

[@Woodswalker1965]

Awesome! Let me know if you get one my friend!

[@rossclay1233]

I absolutely will!! Thanks!

[@denofearthundertheeverlast5138]

Yeah, I agree about the hatchet or axe...heavier items closer to your back, not farther on the pack face

[@markbailey2981]

Great video Wade..... lovely pack and a great review!! You know how I like my Frost River packs, that one is a gem. I have been looking forward to this review. Good tip on the roll mat on the inside. I have been doing that myself and it works a treat. Great to see you brother, all the best, Mark :)

[@Woodswalker1965]

Good Morning Sir! I'm really loving that pack, it's tough to beat the quality and the aesthetics of the FR packs isnt it? Take care brother and I'll talk to you soon! Wade

[@markbailey2981]

Your right about the quality and looks, they certainly take some beating. I saw a Duluth pack on ebay the other day and they wanted $46,000 for it. It turned out to be the prototype canoe pack that the original guy hand made about 100 years ago. It looked a bit battered, so I gave it a miss :) Speak soon brother, all the best, Mark.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Yikes! That's a bit steep even for a piece of history! Someone made the comment that FR was started by someone from Deluth who quit and started their own company. The similarities are obvious. Take care Mark 🍻

[@kingcobra7565]

great review! thank you

[@Woodswalker1965]

You’re very welcome, thanks for watching 👍

[@peternorthe1912]

"Take a knee" and "good to go"... ex-Canadian army. Combat arms? Nice review and this brings me one step closer to buying one of these in the not-too-distant future.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching. I still recommend and use this pack. I'm a civilian my whole life, just terms I've come to use,👍🔥🌲

[@vincenthuigen636]

Thank you for this overview. Helped me a lot.

[@Woodswalker1965]

I appreciate the comment my friend, thank you!👍

[@59chevt]

Wade another great review thanks.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks my friend and you are very welcome!

[@madgepins1967]

Perfect review. Thank you so much!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching👍

[@rogerbeaudoin4172]

That pack is on my bucket list. Great video and review.

[@Woodswalker1965]

It's definitely worth waiting for or saving up for. It feels great every time I put it on. Thanks for watching my friend. Wade

[@HighCarbonSteelLove]

Very nice pack, my friend! -Dave

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you Dave, much appreciated! Wade

[@kan-zee]

solid 26.5 Ltr Pack !! the only issue i've had with my similiar pack was mold / mildew buildup, in damp environments and poor storage.

[@Woodswalker1965]

True some care is required for sure, thanks for the reminder!

[@squatchburger1580]

Beautiful craftsmanship, it will last you for many years

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks very much my friend. Probably the last bushcraft pack I will need to buy! Take care.

[@itsraningagain]

Thanks for a great review as looking to purchase one 👍

[@Woodswalker1965]

Great! Let me know how you like it!👍

[@scuba5k]

Thank for the video. I’ve been interested in this pack for a year or two. The only thing that’s been holding me back is the weight.

[@scuba5k]

I know this subjective but with consideration of the weight of the pack, how long would you hike with it?

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching and a good question! I would certainly be ok hiking for several hours with this pack, it is quite comfortable when loaded up correctly. When I do a 50miler over 3-4 days I bring ultralight gear, it just makes more sense to me. The Isle Royale is built for a different type of travel. I love both types of hiking I guess. Hope this helps. Wade

[@Matt-to1bi]

Great setup

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you! I appreciate you watching my friend 👍

[@rigobertogomez25]

Great video!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks very much!👍

[@randal1470]

Great look at the pack, thanks man!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks Randal! Take care👊

[@NewfieOutdoorsman]

Nice video,was wondering if that side pocket would be capable of fitting say a gun stock, with the compression straps,it looks like a good spot to strap a rifle or shotgun

[@Woodswalker1965]

Yes I believe it would fit a rifle stock. Thanks for watching brother!👊🌲🍻

[@terryw.milburn8565]

mornin, Wade; Hard to beat the quality & craftmanship that went into this pack, No luck in my research on the wool blanket, though ? Up-coming reveal maybe ? Thanks. ATB T God Bless

[@Woodswalker1965]

Morning Terry, thanks for watching and for researching! True there isnt much info on the Everest hotel. I think it was a hotel in the 50s or maybe earlier so the blanket could be fairly old. The hotel burned down 2 years ago to the best of my knowledge. It's kinda cool but kinda gross too to have a blanket from a old hotel haha. Take care

[@anonymous_friend]

Woodswalker 1965 Listen to the song “Dry Creek Inn” by Milkdrive. They tell a good creepy story.

[@williambalchin1357]

That's it I'm buying one

[@Woodswalker1965]

You won't regret it! Thanks for watching👊

[@michalurbanful]

Great review! :-)

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much! 👍

[@maximapropulsion7434]

Gracias, excelente reseña de la mochila.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Gracias mi amigo!👍

[@BackcountryKing]

Solid looking pack!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Sure is dude! Thanks Steve👊

[@denofearthundertheeverlast5138]

So why not put the blanket under the lid away from the dampness?

[@Woodswalker1965]

It rides nicely where I put it but in wet weather I could put it under the lid. Great idea!👍

[@laurent6323]

Nice review. Thanks.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thank you very much I appreciate you watching!

[@Rideperfect]

Greetings. Thank you for the genuine review. What made you chose the Jr over the full size isle royal?

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching my friend! I just felt the JR suited my needs. Although I have taken it on multi day trips it is usually a day hiker. Take care!

[@mvx1874]

Nice review brotha

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks buddy🤟

[@doulos4Jesus]

Well dog gone it, you’re review was the icing on the cake! I just ordered an Isle Royale Jr. Don’t worry, I didn’t throw you under the bus with my wife so you won’t be hearing from her. 😂 Buy once, cry once as they say but I’m pretty sure I’m gonna love it! Thanks for a great review. 👍

[@Woodswalker1965]

That's awesome buddy, you will love it I'm sure! A thing of beauty to use and My wife just rolls her eyes now haha! If you dont mind letting Frost River know I'm spreading the love I'd appreciate it👊! Please let me know how you like the pack brother! Wade

[@doulos4Jesus]

@@Woodswalker1965 WOW!!! I don't care how many videos you watch about this pack, when you get your hands on it you'll wonder why you didn't buy one sooner. I love this thing! It's not just functional... there's a kind of bonding to the darn thing. I just couldn't put it down. Okay, I'd better stop before I go and give her a name... wait, did I just assign my pack a gender? :O LOL!

[@Woodswalker1965]

I call mine Lucille😂!

[@blackriverrambler3963]

They sure didn’t scrimp on quality! Awesome review my man!

[@Woodswalker1965]

You said it! Thanks for stopping by brother👊.

[@ChezVincentTattoo]

Hi ! thanks for the review, i'm hesitant about bags, what would you recommand for travelers / long trip ? thanks !

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hi Vincent, I'm not sure exactly what travelling you will be doing but I don't recommend these Frost River packs for long backpacking trips. Possibly a canoe trip because they are so tough. As far as air or car travel you could use it. For long distance hiking I have a ULA Ohm 2.0👍

[@ChezVincentTattoo]

@@Woodswalker1965 Thanks for your advice ! Too bad i really like the aspect and history about those !

[@Woodswalker1965]

Take care, thanks for watching!

[@ScottOut-n-About]

Dang...that’s a sweet pack!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey buddy, yup she is! Thanks for watching👍

[@MrTangent]

Holy shit that’s a nice pack. I’m mostly a ballistic nylon (MOLLE)/USGI surplus (ALICE) type guy but this would make a fantastic bushcraft pack. I want to buy a turn of the century (19th/20th) styled bushcraft set-up soon (waxed canvas, brass, etc.) and this would be a great centerpiece.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching. It is a great pack. I like my tactical gear too but I love this look for a bushcraft style pack. 👊

[@hikingsteven7665]

Really Nice pack and I got one too

[@Woodswalker1965]

Woohoo nice! Enjoy it my friend for many years!👊 Thanks for watching!

[@lewjernigan2091]

Do you still like the pack? I saw the meandering maker 3 day pack. Not sure it’s any bigger than my hidden woodsmen day ruck in terms of the main pack body. I have a summit expedition and love it. Had my eye on the isle royale jr for a while. You have a great channel.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks so much for those kind words. I love this pack still! The MM packs are beautiful as well, couldnt go wrong with it . I believe the Isle Royale Jr is a bit bigger than the MM 3 day pack but I'm not positive about that. I have a few small items from Meandering Maker, it's good stuff. 👍 Take care and thanks for watching!

[@Joe-yo1tm]

Thanks for the review pal, can I ask how tall you are? I'm quite short and think the senior would he too big, so I'm looking at this one instead. Thanks again for your review! Do you have any on the contents of your bag? I'm new to this!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey Joe I'm 5' 7" and the pack is perfect. I do have a bushcraft kit video a while back you should be able to find it here:kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5nQpKGhZ7SafJo Thanks for watching!

[@Joe-yo1tm]

@@Woodswalker1965 same as me. Just saw it. Love tue folding saw. Would love to get one of those at some point. Thanks for your help

[@Woodswalker1965]

Take care, keep in touch!

[@zerofivetwelve]

Whats the difference between isle royale and isle oyale JR? Which one is larger? Nice video! Thanks!

[@Woodswalker1965]

The Isle Royale is much larger than the Isle Royale Jr. Thanks for watching👍🌲

[@martynoel4175]

Excellent review WW...very helpful. Am going to purchase an Isle Royale pack but having a difficult time deciding between the full size or the Junior. Wondering if you have any thoughts or suggestions!?! I have a smaller pack for day hikes (Duluth Scoutmaster in oilcloth) and mainly want a pack for doing an overnight or two.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hi Marty. The Jr. will definitely do me for 2 or 3 nights fully expanded. The full size is really big and would be great for weeklong trips. If you can get your gear down to a semi- minimalist kit I think the Jr. is a great choice. Thanks for watching👍

[@martynoel4175]

Thanks for your quick response@@Woodswalker1965. Will probably order the JR. Keep up the excellent videos.

[@empzodd851]

does the brass stink? seems like every brass i touch my hands will reek.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks for watching, that's a interesting question. There isnt any odours from the brass that I've noticed. Take care👍

[@empzodd851]

@@Woodswalker1965 thanks, i am interested in getting one, just haven't decided i know those types of bags can be hard to carry under a heavy load.

[@Woodswalker1965]

@@empzodd851 A big reason some people like this type of bag is that they are very tough and another reason is aesthetics. They look really cool too, very old school Packed properly they can be comfortable to wear for several hours. You wont see any of these on the AT that's for sure but shorter distances they are great. Let me know if you do get one!👍

[@empzodd851]

@@Woodswalker1965 yea, i cant stand the modern day toxic materials used, there all sprayed with garbage to. This things a real backpack.

[@davidlatimer3091]

Do you still have this pack, and if so, what are your thoughts about it today? Thanks for the video!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hi David, thanks for watching. I still own this pack and it's my main bushcraft pack. It's a absolutely bombproof pack that performs as well as it looks👍

[@davidlatimer3091]

@@Woodswalker1965 Cool- Thanks for the reply:)

[@OldTroubadour]

Hello from your friend in Georgia! I am debating getting this pack this fall for day hikes, bush rafting and hike in one or two night camping. Obviously after 4 months you were 100 percent loving this pack. Do you still use and recommend it? I have a nice Osprey backpacking backpack but it is overkill for most of what I do now at age 60. Plus I do love the aesthetics, feel and nostalgia of this pack. Is it worth the investment or should I spend money on other gear and continue to use my Osprey pack?

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks a lot for watching and the answer is Yes! I still use and recommend this pack in rotation with a few others. Totally bombproof and very cool pack👍

[@OutnBacker]

I've always wanted one, but shied off at the price of $330 - US. Then, last year my daughter got me a gift card for $50. Word got back to her that I still wasn't going to pay that much, but might get a handkerchief - if the make 'em. Then, this Christmas my daughter got me a $100 gift card. That did it. Mine should be here on the 10th. They don't make hankies.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Wow awesome daughter you have there! 😀 Enjoy the pack my friend!

[@cabinman]

Hey Big Guy...why the Jr. pack??? I figured you for Sr. size buddy!!!...LOL man i've eye-balled this thing to death but i just don't do enough of that style of packing to justify it. Frost River is a favorite on my homescreen and i just love the HEADY-duty stuff like this. Amazing materials and build quality. Actually i can see why you went with the Jr because it looks like a large pack already...i was just kidding. I am curious which Silky saw you have? I have a Dustrude and a GB SM axe and haven't even used it yet. It's killing me!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey buddy, we both have ULA Ohms you may as well get a FR too lol! 😁 The Silky was the 240, it seems to be a good size. I have the Dustrude as well, I think yours would look great in a Frost River bucksaw bag strapped to the side of FR pack 😁! Take care talk to you later!

[@cabinman]

10-4 on the 240 i thought that size made the most sense for packing

[@rallen7294]

What's a centimeter? 😂😅

[@Woodswalker1965]

What’s an inch?🤣🤣🤣

[@TipiAndRaft]

30Liter backpack? or is it more?

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hi! I gave the specs in the vid but totally cinched down it's less than 30 litres. If you loosen all the straps and extend the top flap and the flaps in the pockets, or basically " overstuff " it it can take much more. Frost River claims 48l. It certainly can take much more than 30 l in my opinion. Thanks for watching! 👍👍

[@TipiAndRaft]

Woodswalker 1965 okay. Thanks for the fast answer 👍🏼

[@Woodswalker1965]

No problem👍 take care!

[@AZTLANSOLDIER13]

Any body know where to get one for less than $350- $300?

[@Woodswalker1965]

Keep your eyes peeled on the used market, that's where I bought mine! Thanks for watching👍

[@AZTLANSOLDIER13]

@@Woodswalker1965 yeah been looking. Even new they're hard to find. Found a company in Canada that's wants $400 plus shipping. Ebay had some a couple years back for around $325

[@derbybushcraftandoutdoors3176]

Hey Wade how much does the pack weigh when empty.

[@Woodswalker1965]

It's a pretty hefty weight, about 5lbs I believe off the top of my head. Canvas , leather and brass arent exactly ultralight . Lol! There is a link in the description if you want specific specs. Take care!

[@AdamRomanoExplores]

Beauty pack. Great vid. You losing weight buddy? Keep it up!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey bud, yup and thanks👊!

[@henkisa]

nice review can i posted on my facebook page about frost river gear

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks very much for watching my friend. I would appreciate a share very much!👍🍻

[@YOUchannelcampingmovie]

It's a good tool！

[@Woodswalker1965]

Yes Sir! Thanks for watching✌️

[@littlejimbridger7770]

As I'm discovering, your eye for quality is keen. That's a fine pack! Now, I think you might be interested in the following ... Schnee's boots, made in Bozeman, MT. If you should decide to pull the trigger, be sure to get an extra pair of liners and a bucket of Montana Pitch Blend dressing. Their 13 inch Hunter II boot is right up your alley and will work perfectly in your environment. Another spendy item to be sure but it seems you don't have a problem with that. Schnees.com

[@Woodswalker1965]

Thanks brother, I'll check em out! Buy once, cry once!

[@littlejimbridger7770]

@@Woodswalker1965 You're more than welcome. I'm enjoying your videos. Without a doubt there is wisdom in high quality equipment, after all, the things we're doing can be inherently dangerous, eh? Spend those Loonies & Twonies ... Tssss, ssss, ssss, ssss!

[@Woodswalker1965]

Wow, beautifully made gear! Wish list just got longer! Lol. Thanks again👍

[@littlejimbridger7770]

@@Woodswalker1965 No worries sir, you'll flip when ya get'm! Super comfy!!!

[@Woodswalker1965]

👊

[@KevinOutdoors]

Marathon Ontario? Not too far away. Google isn't helping. If I can help let me know, :)

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hey Kevin, ya that's right up in your neck of the woods! Not much on Google you're right I couldnt find much either. I think the hotel burnt down a few years ago. I own a legit piece of Northern Ontario history lol! Thanks for watching buddy.

[@KevinOutdoors]

@@Woodswalker1965 I can probably find a museum that want's that! LOL :)

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hmmm I smell a tax credit for a charitable donation! Haha

[@jackking8963]

Iconic pack, but way out of my price range. Come on lotto! Take care.

[@Woodswalker1965]

Hi Allan. Keep your eyes open on Kijiji, Craigs List, trade forums on Facebook etc. You might be surprised ! Thanks for watching buddy. Wade