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[@Haitch_Kay]

The best thing I've seen so far to describe Pattinson's Batman has been "He's the only live action Bat that would sit down on the swing with Ace".

[@Plumtree1187]

yo thats a good way to put it

[@stepkickking9868]

When Pattison said he didn’t want to workout, what he was essentially saying was “I’m not going to do steroids like every other superhero actor”, and I respect him for that.

[@omega1985]

Honestly I’m surprised that people don’t realize that most male superhero actors are on the juice

[@jerpusmaximus]

That was also him taking the piss, as well lol

[@Aregulargameplayer]

Uh... no, that's not what he was (jokingly) implying in his interview. He was joking that he wasn't gonna work out at all while Zoe Kravitz was working on 5 days a week in comparison. Then he later clarified that he was joking, it's just embarrassing for him to talk about working out. He still had an insane diet and physical regime to get into the superhero physicality.

[@jamespilcher4069]

He was just fucking with people when he said that, Pattinson loves fucking with people in interviews

[@Michael-bn1oi]

@@Aregulargameplayer Well, as a master of jokes I am surprised you missed OPs. But that workout regime almost certainly includes steroids. Why wouldn't it lol

[@nervmeister]

Appreciated how Bruce's portrayal acknowledged that chronically staying up all fucking night alone aint good for your health. For instance, half the reason he had those nifty surveillance contact lenses was because his completely fragged circadian rhythm was affecting his short-term memory and so he used playback from those to compensate.

[@kwenasepuru4604]

I don't blame Pattinson for not wanting to do those superhero workouts and diets. Ever since Hugh Jackman spoke out about it, all I see is the same sentiment from all these male actors about how you're basically starving, dehydrating and overworking yourself to get this shredded god body. Zac Efron literally stopped doing Hollywood workouts after he ate pasta for the first time in years and actually broke down crying. Yeah Pattinson's right, fuck that.

[@msbkaioken136]

People have a really weird perception on that he didn't mean he wasn't going to work out at all because he did he meant he wasn't going to do extreme stuff like steroids

[@Dielawn69]

How dod you miss the most important part? Its called steroids....

[@Draliseth]

I remember reading an article of Jackman lamenting the absence of lasagna in his life prior to Logan. It made me teh sads for him.

[@ApexGale]

Fun fact about Christian Bale filming scenes for the Nolan trilogy. To get that shredded look, he had to minimize the amount of water he drank. Then like an hour before the shoot he'd drink a Diet Pepsi or something and then do 50 pushups to get his veins to pop out Having a yolked body isn't a sign of power, it's a sign that you aren't eating enough. The more standard muscled body actually looks more like Tyler1. It's clear he eats an appropriate amount of calories People talk about beauty standards for women but it's just as bad for men, if not worse.

[@trashman1605]

Plus they have to use steroids and no matter how much they pay you it's just not worth it

[@li-limandragon9287]

I honestly really like the fact Pattinson plays Bruce as awkward and depressed rather than asshole billionaire. This movie doesn’t do a whole lot that’s new, but that was refreshing.

[@MrStath1986]

This. It kind-of reminds me of Keaton's take - specifically the scene where he wants to confess to Vicki Vale but has no idea how to go about it like a normal person, or he didn't know how to do 'rich guy' stuff; Bale's take by contrast just felt like they joked about him having issues or just lampshaded them way too hard, and he was just a rich asshole sometimes.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@MrStath1986 Keaton’s Wayne feels like someone Pattinson’s Wayne would grow up to. Still awkward and introverted but more confident and little jokey. Not to say everything about Keaton’s Batman was good or spot on he takes joy at of killing mooks and isn’t particularly developed when not being Batman - which is mainly due to Burton caring more about the villains than Batman which is definitely evident in Returns.

[@msbkaioken136]

I'm going to be straight up if you think Robert Pattinson as Batman was a Gamble you don't really know about his filmography

[@phantomgoblin5540]

Well to be fair more of the average jill and joe still thinks he is the sparkle Twilight guy

[@GrandBlitz]

@@phantomgoblin5540 That’s not even fair though. That’s the whole point. Those movies were 10 years ago! You’d think the last one came out last year the way people were worried about him being Batman because of Twilight. I don’t even know his filmography but I know those movies were 10+ years ago. I never thought he’d be a bad Batman and was interested in seeing him in the role.

[@jwm1444]

Yeah, even if you've only see Good Time or The Lighthouse, you know this dude has fucking chops.

[@MrStath1986]

@@jwm1444 The Lighthouse shows he's definitely capable of keeping up with someone like Dafoe, which is really saying a lot.

[@johnromero6315]

@@GrandBlitz In what way is it unfair? I get that he's done legit work since then, but most people saw Twilight and (reasonably) decided that nobody in that movie was worth paying real attention to in terms of acting chops. If your first major role is Edward Cullen, you can't blame people for not keeping up with your work going forward. I feel the need to clarify that I like him as an actor, but the Twilight movies made a terrible first impression for him.

[@Kango234]

Not sure if Pat reads these comments, but The Batman was actually filmed in London and Glasgow to get a gothic feel. I'm actually shocked no one in the chat corrected them there.

[@kapkant6197]

None of the action scenes were scripted either, they just filmed the average day in London and had Robert Pattinson fight real criminals in the batsuit

[@trashman1605]

@@kapkant6197 but i don't recall someone throwing a bottle of acid at pattinson 🤔

[@kapkant6197]

@@trashman1605 I vividly remember that in my UK screening. They used it to show the suit was acid resistant. Must've removed it from the international versions

[@kaine1723]

@@kapkant6197 oh oh in our version here in america they showed his suit was bulletproof by shooting him. probably the same scene lol the power of editing is magical

[@edwardhoptrough9933]

Liverpool as well just to add, the 'Church' in the film is the fairly noticeable St Georges Hall here so it was odd to see on the big screen.

[@R_got_a_name_change]

Fans were mortified to hear Michael Keaton’s casting back in the day. It’s like literally every Batman movie

[@Chexmaster]

My favorite part is that they explain why people live in Gotham because you can get a two bedroom apartment for 400 dollars a month rent

[@li-limandragon9287]

I think there’s a comic where Gotham gets personified and this terrifying gargoyle creature. Batman puts on everything on the line for it.

[@gudoxiii]

Which part in the movie was this line or explanation?

[@Chexmaster]

@@gudoxiii when catwomen is going threw her mail there is a letter that says rent due 400

[@Holesale00]

@@Chexmaster when i saw that my eyes lit up i wanted to live in that world fuck paying 1200$ a month ffs lmao.

[@punishedbrak4255]

That was a disconnect for me when the rest of the movie is trying very much so to be "modern" in other respects.

[@SlatePunchgroin]

"No guns" Gordon looks up and down at Batman's multimillion dollar armor "no guns? fuck you."

[@Personell101]

I liked that Batman comes across as this antisocial weirdo in this movie. He doesn’t talk to really anyone besides Selina and Alfred, and Selina he barely knows and he’s constantly being an asshole to Alfred, so this guy has like *no* tethers to society. Especially at the start.

[@nervmeister]

Don’t forget Gordon. The two were practically “buddy cops” in this film.

[@jimbob1862]

Also with Selina he's like a borderline incel is how he acts with her at points to the point of like absurd comedy. I fucking love Battinson just awkwardly staring at her and mumbling shit because he has no idea how to handle someone taking an interest in him.

[@gameb9oy]

Which honestly, even if he’s not that way in the comics, that’s kinda what he probably should be like, at least at this point in his career as the Batman

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@gameb9oy I would love to see Pattinson’s Matches Malone though.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

@@jimbob1862 Batman isn't an incel, that's Riddler. Batman is volcel all day, baby.

[@galesturms]

The Robert Pattinson renaissance of being in actually great and interesting movies, you love to see it.

[@Dielawn69]

Bruh he literally has been doing mostly indie/artsy movies for over a decade.

[@MrStath1986]

Twilight is the exception to the rule in his career. The same goes for Stewart; both of their careers were drenched in the slime fallout from that franchise, but both are infinitely more capable than those movies showed.

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

I think part of why Pattinson’s Batman didn’t have to disguise his voice at all is because Pattinson’s Bruce Wayne is maybe the most antisocial weirdo to ever be a superhero ever. Who’s gonna recognize his voice? He doesn’t fucking leave his tower ever! He barely speaks to anyone above a whisper the whole movie! I fuckin’ loved it!

[@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080]

Pattinson not working out wasnt an out of touch rich guy thing, it was actually just really not being okay with the extreme dieting and excercising stuff thats expected from male actors (see when christian bale lost an absurdly unhealthy amount of weight for a role) which is super respectable. Unrealistic body standards are not great in general, and take a toll on the actor expected to uphold them

[@collindoucet7374]

He also did clearly work out, he’s said in interviews he was mostly joking. Only had two months to bulk

[@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080]

@@collindoucet7374 theres a difference between regular working out, and the intense dieting and regiment crap most hollywood actors do

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 I mean Michael Keaton didn’t work out all and he’s still the best movie Batman in my opinion.

[@bigbrowski410]

@@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 let’s not forget the persistence and undeniable use of steroids, Pattinson is 100% correct in what he said and 1000% correct in what he meant

[@Draliseth]

Of note, after Bale went down to 120lbs for The Machinist he went to 220lbs for Batman.

[@bicksbernd1640]

I'll repeat what others have said but Pattinson as Batman isn't really a gamble in terms of his ability as an actor. I mean Lighthouse and Good Time came out recently and he was fantastic in those

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

The action in Tenet was really good even if the story makes little sense.

[@anthonychavez8837]

He was pretty good in The Rover as well.

[@Stormy-Knight]

Considering how vocal people have been about pattinsons work outside of twilight and about the terrible treatment of male actors fitness to earn/maintain an acting role its weird how out of touch pat and woolie sound when discussing either. As if twilight has been the only thing roberts done in the past ten years, and not wanting to destroy your body to maintain an impossible physique somehow makes him unreasonable when its actually the most reasonable thing that film makers just refuse to do. I know they're not in the know about the movie industry, let alone the american movie industry, and i can understand the twilight thing since social media wont shut up about it but how do they not know about the unrealistic body standards being forced on actors and actresses? Thats like one of the first things you learn about the movie industry, how do pat and woolie NOT know about that?

[@BrazillianCara]

By this point we just have to accept that they have a few pretty big blind spots.

[@trashman1605]

Everyone is Ignorant about something

[@ricardomiles2957]

They didn't know people played GMOD. At this point I wouldn't doubt if they said they didn't know that cellphones used to have keyboards

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

They think the pandemic is still a thing, BUT GOTTA GET ROAD CAKE!

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@TheMilhouseExperience I mean, it is. Be assured we are miles better than the first half of 2020. Professionals understand better how to treat severe cases, Vaccines, masks and the first medicines are getting developed but until the world gets easy access in large quantities of these medicines, not the common people but the governments are just asking for "suddden" variants that escapes all the vaccines or that are more lethal with worse symptoms(in which literally is how 2 variants came to be, old quarantine procedures became useless to the point not even isolated islands are safe now)

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

Pissing and shitting yourself while being suspended upside-down on a skyscraper balcony 50 stories in the air for 8 hours is part of the deterrent, Woolie. That guy is never robbing another store again for the rest of his life.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Or he will fall, fly somehow and become kiteman

[@johnromero6315]

@@ricardomiles2957 either way, that's a win in my book.

[@pyropoyo]

Also when it comes to the voice, fuck trying to "mask" it. Adam West, Michael Keaton, Kevin Conroy, they all do fantastic jobs just lowering their pitch a little and speaking with an entirely different demeanor. It's all you need.

[@kapkant6197]

I still do not know to this day why Christian Bale thought that voice was the logical decision when all he needed was to change his voice to be deeper and more domineering like other Batman actors do. His voice was fine in Begins but it just got worse and worse. It's even more annoying cause in the Batman Begins video game he uses a more domineering deeper voice when talking to Alfred over the radio while also doing his stupid voice to goons.

[@pyropoyo]

@@kapkant6197 Maybe it was a Nolan decision, wasn't "realistic" if Bale just used his normal voice.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

Or just use a fucking voice changer in the suit like Batfleck did. Seriously, why the fuck did it take until Synder for someone to realize that? Literally just alter it in post instead of forcing your actor to do his best impression of a dog for two-and-a-half hours. His suit is chock-full of bleeding-edge bullshit tech and gadgets, of course he'd have a voice changer built in somewhere.

[@pyropoyo]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith Nah, I hate the voice changer idea. It's so lazy! The Batman Telltale games did that too and sure, it makes a lot of sense, but it just feels so boring to push a button and turn on the Batman voice.

[@jman2856]

This movie confirmed that Bruce is a weird Goth dude who has never had sex and everyone is okay with that.

[@li-limandragon9287]

You’re saying some dude who lives under his parents house looking at big monitors would be an incel? Get out of town. I’m sure he‘ll be having sex in later films, hopefully not with Batgirl though like christ.

[@catharticgemini]

Between the shots, soundtrack and lightingg, I'm so glad that we had SEVERAL club fights in the movie, I hope we continue the battison legacy

[@kapkant6197]

God don’t even get me started on Bale’s Batman voice, that thing ruins several scenes that should be absolutely fantastic. Like the scene where Gordon asks who he is and he responds "A hero can be anyone even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a young boy’s shoulders to let him know the world hadn't ended". Subtly letting him know he’s Bruce Wayne, but that dumb fucking growl ruins it. On the topic of The Batman though Pat is totally right about Bruce Wayne being emo and broody, my favourite example is at the funeral when Bruce briefly tries to smile for the camera then a second later hates himself for it and looks like he wants to die. Amazing movie though, great year for Riddler stans between The Batman and Batman: Unburied.

[@li-limandragon9287]

What I like about Pattinson’s choice to have Bruce be a sad weirdo is that it feels realistic to someone who’s had their parents brutally murdered and forced to adjust. Batman just kinda being a confident chad is so uninspired and a little insult to people who suffered like that in real life. It’s same reason why I think MCU Mary Jane works despite being very different from the comics, a person who has suffered abuse from a troubled home life is more likely gonna be introverted and anxious not outgoing and energetic.

[@kapkant6197]

@@li-limandragon9287 His performance is further fuel for the "Bruce Wayne is on the spectrum" thing briefly mentioned by a psychologist he visited after his parents' death in the comics too.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@kapkant6197 Characters having signs of autism is great, I don’t like Fantastic Beast Movies after the first one but it’s implied Newt has autism and doesn’t make him less unappealing in the slightest.

[@ricardomiles2957]

I was rewatching recently the bale trilogy and noticed that he clearly changed his batman voice from begins to dark knight. On begins he was just making a deeper voice while occasionally raised his voice to sound angry but from dark knight on forward he seems to be "straining" his throat like he's talking while his throat is about to close.

[@Draliseth]

@@ricardomiles2957 I think they did less or no post on the sequels. He BOOMS when he speaks in the first film. I really liked it. It's Dark Knight onward he sounds desperate for a lozenge.

[@ricardomiles2957]

At this it's a tradition. Keaton, ledger and now Pattison. There will always be someone who's casted and people will be horrified about it

[@FunkBastid]

AYY OHH, itz mee! Italian-American gangster Oswald Cobblepot.

[@Spit1990]

That ending was incredible.

[@chadrageus]

I gained a lot of respect for Robert Pattinson when I found out he hates those awful twilight movies. He's a great actor and fantastic as the batman great movie.

[@kahlt_]

Not enough people saw Vampires Suck, the Twilight parody movie that managed to cast like all of the actual Twilight actors bc they all hated being in those movies

[@li-limandragon9287]

Do listen to Robert’s DVD commentary of the Twilight films, he rips it to shreds.

[@ApexGale]

Pattinson is an amazing actor. The Lighthouse was great.

[@chubbysurprise4429]

@@kahlt_ not the actual actors just look alikes in vampires suck

[@amysel]

I believe he rewatched them a few years ago and didn't hate them as much

[@matthewschoen7033]

I'm surprised that Pat didn't mention that the tumbler has a missile launcher loaded with "stun missiles" and a grenade launcher loaded with "rubber bullets"

[@Legacy0901]

I'm really hoping this is a turning point for Pattinson where he will be known as the 'batman guy' and not the 'twilight guy'

[@li-limandragon9287]

I always know him as Cedric Diggory first and foremost.

[@BitDinosaur710]

That bit at the end about spiderman reminded me of Homecoming, where Donald Glover's character got his hand webbed to his car and in the end credit scene he is still stuck there. Really puts it into perspective

[@li-limandragon9287]

There’s one comic where Spidey webs up a rude lady’s face and just leaves her. She definitely suffocated.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

If they do a sequel to this film, and I'm sure they will, I want them to use a villain that hasn't been used in any of the previous Batman films. So far, we've had two versions of Two-Face, three versions of Joker, two versions of Bane, two versions of Catwoman, two versions of Riddler, and two versions of Penguin. Can we get someone like Scarface, or the Court of Owls?

[@nathanmarshall745]

3 versions of catwoman, 4 if you count Halle Berry

[@grilin18.]

The've set up Bane but I really want to see a Bane reflects how he is in the comics and TAS as being both a brilliant tactician but horribly addicted to his rage steroids. We got monster man and some kind of blender mix of bane, talon, and Ras al ghul, and I just want real Bane

[@leithaziz2716]

Scarface is fine, but if you want the stakes to feel high, then he can only really be a threat the sooner you use him rather than saving him for later. I think doing Deathstroke justice in a full ledged film would be awesome. That CG Arkham Origins trailer with Batman and Deathstroke was sick. Even the fight in the game was well captured. Batman is tied with Spider-Man as the hero with the most interesting catalouge of villians to pick from.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@nathanmarshall745 If we're counting Halle Berry, than I guess that means we must also count Joaquin Phoenix and Jared Leto, bringing the number of Jokers we've had to 5.

[@mattland2998]

Hush would be a great choice, I'd also like to see Pattinsons batman against Mr. Freeze, the flooding of gotham shows a lot of potential for that sort of stand-off. That, or Killer Croc. Clayface too, there's a lot of good choices with lots of backstory they could lean into. I'm personally hoping for a little side act of Mister Zsasz.

[@depp5275]

pattinson is the kind of guy who'd made up a dead clown story in the middle of an interview, he's the perfect batman

[@bellboy64]

Pattinson is notorious for making shit up for fun. He was trolling people about not working out. He once claimed to a morning show host that he was afraid of clowns because he saw one die at the circus when he was a kid. "The clown car exploded" 😄

[@HectorLopez0217]

Most people know Pattinson as Edward, but I knew him as Cedric

[@li-limandragon9287]

All Hufflepuffs: *AMEN BROTHER*

[@stepkickking9868]

I knew Pattinson was going to crush it as Batman, especially after watching Good Time. He’s an incredible actor, one of the best working today. I know it’s not the same continuity, but I would’ve loved to have seen his Batman and Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker share a scene together.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

Was it really a gamble? Are people actually stuck on the dumb vampire movies from a decade ago? Terry McGinnis is a teenager Robert Pattinson is 35 and he looks it. He ain't playing no Terry McGinnis.

[@JoelBurger]

Yes, certain people have never stopped thinking Twilight is the worst thing ever.

[@msbkaioken136]

I agree with the first part and disagree with the second part Robert Pattinson absolutely looks younger than 35 as a matter of fact in the Batman he's playing like a twenty-year-old he could absolutely pull-off Terry McGinnis

[@MrSupertallblackman]

@@msbkaioken136 I'll give he looks younger but nah I disagree with looking like he's in his 20s which beside the point that Terry is a teenager and R Pats don't look like no teenager.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@MrSupertallblackman as I already said Batman in this movie is not too much older than Terry would be and he works perfectly fine in the Batman so there's literally no reason why that shouldn't be the case for a Batman Beyond movie I feel like you're drawing a very arbitrary indefensible line

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

It worked for Tobey Maguire

[@limerslimer]

Framing Pattinson's casting as a gamble is fucking hilarious to me. Woolie and Pat really have some blind spots when it comes to movies that aren't super hero stuff.

[@alephnole7009]

I want Hobo Batman who's still trying to fight crime while on the run from the law because the villains framed Bruce for a crime that got his assets seized would have thrown him in prison. But his prison transport bus crashed and all the other criminals got away so he decided Gotham still needs the batman.

[@bicksbernd1640]

There were some comics recently that did something like that, you could give Future State a try but from I what remember it was very meh. There's also a mini series called Year 100 which is probably the closest it has gotten from what I know

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@bicksbernd1640 Isn't Year 100 that series where Batman was walking around with Joker's severed head?

[@bicksbernd1640]

@@kamikazelemming1552 No, that is a Snyder series called Last Knight. Year 100 is different

[@pyropoyo]

I think this movie fumbles with Riddler a bit, mainly with his motives and messaging. They do that thing where the main villain's main motive is actually pretty justifiable, then to make sure audiences don't start to relate with him they have him do something extremely over the top at the end. There's also his thing about "this city doesnt give a shit about the little people, only the wealthy elite and that's why I expose/punish them all!" Then when shit is going down, the movie mainly focuses on the mayor and higher up members of society while the citizens are just kinda in the background suffering. Like what Riddler said. I appreciate the ending, where Batman is leading everyone in the dark with the flare and helping people into rescue vehicles. I like that stuff. I wish there was a scene as Bruce where hes like "hey Ms. Mayor remember when you said I should use my wealth to help? I wish to do that now." I dunno. Still a good movie. Top class Riddler memes.

[@RB13199]

I think you've made some fair points. I just want to add that the mayor who won the election was portrayed as being more for the people than the mayor who died in the opening.

[@jwm1444]

I think that's the point in a lot of ways though. Riddler is doing what he does to punish the Elite, but what's he's doing isn't actually going to effect any real change, it will just make the Elite more secretive and really only punish the people of Gotham below them. And really when the chips were down, his crusade was really about punishing anyone for what happened to him growing up. Which is similar to Bruce's realization by the end that simply punishing small time criminals isn't enough and all he's doing is venting his trauma and need for Vengeance for his parents. While he's technically doing good, he needs to be more than a blunt instrument and he needs to set his sights higher to make Gotham a better place. Which will likely lead into him make Bruce Wayne a more public figure and using Wayne Enterprises to help Gotham while still trying to be Batman.

[@pyropoyo]

@@RB13199 yeah, she seemed alright. Like I said, I wish they had a scene where Bruce approached her about distributing his wealth a bit. And obviously the movie is gonna focus more on the named characters with plot relevance than the extras. Just something I was thinking about when reading criticisms and other's thoughts on the movie.

[@pyropoyo]

@@jwm1444 I do like how they tied it back to Bruce using Batman as more of an outlet for his rage/"vengeance" than anything else, that was good.

[@Zangelin]

We need to punish the elite! justice for the commonfolk! And to accomplish that I'm gonna drown all the commonfolk!

[@kick1340]

0:48 gay little walk

[@jeremiahjackson261]

I can't believe nobody is talking Colin Farrell I had no idea he was playing the Penguin till I was told so by a friend.

[@Vaishino]

The goons who go down after Batman's elbow *almost* hits them are the smartest characters in the movie. No broken ribs for those guys, they get to walk home after Batman leaves.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Kinda like that goon in BTAS who enters a room sees Batman and just closes the door. Not worth getting teeth punch out for mafioso.

[@aiydsfordayssarron6542]

God gotham being just chicago was the lamest thing in the nolan movies, gotham without gothic elements like what?

[@Linkinbird617]

It was never a gamble. If you’ve seen him in anything other than twilight, you would have known exactly how this was gonna go. Good Time, Tenet, High Life, The Lighthouse ect ect. All great films that all showcase the kind of Bruce Wayne / Batman he could play.

[@ngmajora6986]

I liked when he beat the shit out of people

[@humanitysfinest9795]

Me and my cousin went to see this day 1 at our local theater. We walked away both hyped about the sequel teaser they showed in the post credits scene

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

I loathe the idea of Robert Pattinson being cast as Terry McGuiness. He looked weirdly out of place pretending to be a teenage boy 20 years ago. What on earth is possessing people to think that it's going to be any less weird now?

[@cottonmouthaudio5041]

KZbin happened to recommend me old news footage of when Keaton was cast as Batman back in 89. People where saying the same thing back then that they were saying about Patton now.

[@ibrokemykeyboard]

It’s pg-13 seven with Batman in it

[@punishedbrak4255]

Best description I've heard of it yet

[@TheMadisonMachine]

The Batman is soooo fucking good. Like, it spends most of its time not only laughing at 4chan loser Riddler but also laughing at Tumblr loser Batman

[@kapkant6197]

Aw hell nah they turned Riddler into the average Tarkov/Warzone/GTA Online player

[@TheMadisonMachine]

@@kapkant6197 No it's great. He livestreams. He starts his videos with "Hey guys" like every youtuber does, and has a patreon

[@kapkant6197]

@@TheMadisonMachine nononono I ADORE Paul Dano Riddler, I'm a huge Riddler fanboy in almost every Batman media. I'm just saying that man has Warzone on his hard drive so the FBI should've flagged him as a terror threat ASAP

[@albinoburrito900]

Regarding Pattinson's decision about not trying to get the godlike body, and hero Bodies in general: It's almost like toxic body ideals exist for men too .....but society ain't ready to talk bout that

[@ThePigKnight]

Pattison did great acting because they respected the viewer and let it be quiet and had you see Pattison just thinking.

[@zacht8050]

Credit to them, in all the batman movies you feel like Bruce Wayne could just throw his money at the city and fix everything but in this Batman you see that the only solution is the Batman Bruce Wayne can't do s***

[@breanimator]

It was very much Chicago. They filmed so much of The Batman in Chicago

[@li-limandragon9287]

It was filmed in Scotland and Chicago, it was a good mix.

[@jwm1444]

I'm very interested to see where this trilogy goes from here. I think it's kinda clear that the next movie will feature Bruce as a more prominent focus as opposed to just being Batman centric, but I wonder where they go from here. I think Batman: Venom will be an influence due to what happens near the end of this one but I'm not sure, and I'm really not sure who the villain will be.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Honestly they should use this series as a springboard to a Gotham cinematic universe, give us a solo Mr Freeze movie. That would be fantastic if done right.

[@jwm1444]

@@li-limandragon9287 eh I don't know if it needs to go as far as Batman having his own CU, but I do think Reeves making a Freeze movie in this trilogy would be sick. Ultimately I think the goal is to get to the Court of Owls, but I'm not sure.

[@MrStath1986]

I'm just so glad the stated intent from Reeves is that they will not be using Joker in his films; the character just feels so overplayed at this point and from what we've seen this version just feels completely uninspired and 'weird for the sake of weird'; not even inspired like the idea of Riddler as the Zodiac Killer, just lame-weird.

[@Sylvia-t1f]

@@jwm1444 ESPECIALLY given one of the big emotional moments in the movie is Bruce admitting that he is still terrified of losing the people he cares about. Perfect setup for Freeze as a foil.

[@jwm1444]

@@MrStath1986 Couldn't agree more, hipster-ish as it sounds Joker has been my least favorite Batman villain for a long time. The fact that people are still so obsessed with him grates on me lol.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

18:40 it’s like tampon commercials, the webbing absorbs 99% of the blue liquid spilled on it

[@BTM8109]

There was some "buffoonery" going on with the police in this movie, yes.

[@msbkaioken136]

What do you mean

[@ultimamage3]

@@msbkaioken136 Not OP, but it's stupid that all the cops work for Falcone then the reveal that he was an informant for them to get rid of Maroni and whoever was a "bad thing". How? He owns the cops. He's not a rat, he's their boss. So Batman knows Falcone owns the cops but brings him out to a bunch of cops acting like they believe in justice after all and the system will work. Also Batman punches Gordon in front of god and everybody in the whole precinct and then they're working fine with him later.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@ultimamage3 I'll answer your points one by one first of all when he's arrested it's revealed not every cop is willing to work for him they trust and respect Gordon so they follow him a very classic Gordon plot point second how is a Crime Boss owning a large amount of police officers not a bad thing he's getting rid of his enemies that way so he has a monopoly over everything and basically runs the city as pointed out in the movie basically the de facto mayor as for the rat thing that seems to be connected to this point The Riddler called him that and as a pretty logical guy that's factually what you would call Falcone because of his involvement with the police and the pun with his name being reminiscent of the animal he is the Riddler third as I previously pointed out that moment is meant to Showcase that not every cop at the gcpd is corrupt that's often how Gordon is portrayed he is such a good man that he inspires good cops and reforms bad ones forth and it looks like finally it was not the whole Precinct but even if you want to be hyperbolic and say it is once again it comes down to Gordon says it's okay and they trust him on top of the big point that you're not thinking of at all Batman had just exposed Falcone and very likely proved himself to a bunch of cops like it seems you're not really thinking about what Batman had done after he ran away and what had happened in the plot

[@MattManDX1]

@@msbkaioken136 While I agree with what you're saying I just have to point out that punctuation marks would really make your statements more legible.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@MattManDX1 I only see about three words from his comment that have any value to me

[@BillieSharkTooth]

I'm glad actors of both sexes are putting their foot down on this stuff. I fully support their refusal to ruin their bodies for a movie role.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

Interested to know what pat thinks of the joker deleted scene, and the prequel novel that states that battinson used to drag race as a kid and he was taught to fight by alfred

[@ukyoize]

16:08 theyvare teching invincibility phase

[@atmmachine11]

I thought the movie was okay but I fall asleep during most superhero movies and at least stayed awake for this one.

[@funaccount7665]

I think superhero movies just aren't your thing.

[@atmmachine11]

@@funaccount7665 You would be correct lol

[@ShayneRawls]

I think Pattinson lied to everyone. He looks great in the movie. He worked out

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

The trouble is that "working out" in this context means doing PEDs and performing an unrelenting gauntlet of intense exercise, extremely dangerous weight cutting and a highly restrictive diet. Of course the actors who are pressured into doing it are contractually obligated to lie about the drugs but it's an open secret. Pattinson is no doubt going to be happier and healthier in the long run doing his own thing; just look at the number of former Hollywood hunks who have given up on training altogether and are now overweight like Taylor Lautner, a fellow Twilight alumnus, or have developed deformed faces from all the exogenous hormone treatments

[@ShayneRawls]

@@casanovafunkenstein5090 yeah I would prefer people just workout. Forget surgery or drugs like the guy who played Kumar did for Eternals. Just do role and workout. Forget those PEDs

[@MattManDX1]

He did work out. He just refused the typical Hollywood action film actor workout with forced dehydration and steroids.

[@collindoucet7374]

Pattinson is currently way too old to play Terry. He can really only play late 20s at least now

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

You would have 2 directors with extensive “blue hell” experience. Being Lucas and Cameron. And, regardless of Cameron’s pedigree, it’s been a long time since Aliens.

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

Agreed. He was out of place pretending to be a high school student 20 years ago when Twilight first came out and the idea that he could be cast to play one now is laughable.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@casanovafunkenstein5090 Terry is an adult at the end of JLU and the current comics of Batman Beyond tho.

[@TeryJones]

6:09 - Shit this is the third time this has happened with this damn franchise XDXDXDXDXD

[@dano8902]

The New York City pre-Guiliani metaphor is incorrect...it's more like New York City pre-Ed Koch. He was the mayor who had the most impact on NYC's conditions. Before he took office in 1977 the city was a freakin hellhole. Under his administration the place turned from a dirty, junkie and hooker-haven filth hole to an arguably less colorful and fun...well, what we see today.

[@renaigh]

Should've been a Catwoman film.

[@renaigh]

Paul Dano

[@mushihimesamas]

Did they ever talk about the stanley parable yet? If not I hope they do.

[@BlackHarlequin13]

I loved this movie, but I still have one big issues with it, and it's the Joker reveal, sure his design is grotesque, but I wish we can give other villains the spotlight; I love joker to death, but Let Scarecrow get his own movie, hell, Let MAN-BAT give us a monster-horror movie.

[@li-limandragon9287]

As a Man-Bat stan myself I am extremely disappointed, closest we’ve gotten is that dream sequence in BVS when the Man-Bat comes out of the wall.

[@johnromero6315]

While I agree, it's just not gonna happen. Joker is just too central to the Batman mythos. He may not always be the "big bad" of the movie, but he'll likely always be present in some way.

[@Varner410]

no way patt Nolan's Gotham was pittsburgh all the way

[@FunkBastid]

WHARS RAECHEALL

[@Zangelin]

Spoilers The movie was great right until the part where the Riddler got caught. Then it devolved into a big epic spectacle because there just had to be one and the actions and motivations of the Riddler and his goons made no sense whatsoever after that point.

[@ryangallagher8194]

Oh yeah, the movie was great up until it felt it needed a big final action sequence. I don't think it made the movie altogether worse by being there, but that last 25 minutes could have been cut and I would have felt more immediately satisfied leaving the theatre. Having seen the movie twice, it's an even stronger feeling on a rewatch that I could just leave after the amazing conversation scene that could have been the resolution of the film. The dialogue was much more appealing than the action altogether, really.

[@HeroToxiko]

Bales mistake was trying to copy kevin conroys voice for no apparent reason.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Like.

[@DDespicable]

Was this a reset or just some other producer or director wanting to take a crack at a stand alone batman movie?

[@baylaust]

ORIGINALLY it was supposed to be a Batman movie written, directed by, and starring Ben Affleck. But between his personal life going down the shitter and his disappointment with the quality of the films, he stepped aside. Thats when Matt Reeves stepped in, and while he said he liked the story and script Affleck had put together, he didn't want to make someone else's Batman movie; he wanted to make his own. So in exchange for him coming on board, he was given a blank slate to work with. No DCEU, no nothing.

[@ghouliethousandtrouser2905]

Saw a trailer for this the other day, and I legit thought it was a parody at first. Something about a straight-laced, stony-faced Batman in the Mad Max desert, wearing a trenchcoat and goggles over his Batman suit, with his lil' ears. Not Bruce Wayne in the desert wearing a trenchcoat and goggles, or even Batman in the desert wearing the specially adapted desert suit he's bound to have lying around somewhere. That's like something Spiderman would've done in the 60s cartoon, and even then he would've made a joke about it. I'd probably find it funny if I wasn't starting to suspect all the writers in the business are getting disappeared and replaced with robots.

[@kapkant6197]

Er that was Zack Snyder's Justice League not The Batman. This is a completely different continuity and is faithful to the character and not complete garbage like Justice League

[@ghouliethousandtrouser2905]

@@kapkant6197 Rightio then. Lol. Honestly, I don't keep up with this sht, and I don't watch any of these films. I just like listening to these two spagos talking crap while I'm cooking. Possibly cos I don't know any other podcasts. Nice to know there are two Batman films on the go at once though. Wouldn't want culture to stagnate, or anything.

[@kapkant6197]

@@ghouliethousandtrouser2905 tbf while Bat fatigue is a major problem especially in the comics The Batman is the first solo Batman movie since 2012, and Justice League came out in 2017 with the big 4 hour director's cut coming out in 2021. The Robert Pattinson Batman isn't tied down by DC's failure of a cinematic universe like Ben Affleck Batman was and is allowed to be a good movie unlike Justice League

[@ghouliethousandtrouser2905]

@@kapkant6197 Ehh, I'll take your word for it.

[@clanofclams2720]

Wrong movie

[@Lonequacker]

Being from Connecticut occasionally Gotham is supposed to be Bridgeport. This movie really looked just like it and nailed how much of a shit hole Bridgeport is. Plus them mentioning Bludhaven being upstate with New Haven being upstate from Bridgeport I'm just gonna put it in my head that this takes place in Connecticut.

[@williejones6446]

This movie stunk. I can complain about how this Batman is watered down, but every time I thought it stunk I had the thought "If they call this Year 2 it would be better and make more sense" As in batman year one is what this reminded me of.

[@angelbotello2882]

I mean, it’s made explicitly clear that is a year 2 Batman ,that is still getting his shit together.

[@punishedbrak4255]

The folder he's writing his monologue down in even fucking says "GOTHAM PROJECT: Year 2." It's at the beginning of the movie. And yeah, the movie is explicitly inspired by Year One, given all the events they refer to in the film.

[@ShinobiX8]

10:13 Pat starts describing the overrated Oldboy movie fights that everybody loves.

[@clanofclams2720]

There's just one fight in oldboy everyone talks about and it is anything but overrated

[@ShinobiX8]

@@clanofclams2720 It's a cool shot, nothing more.

[@clanofclams2720]

@@ShinobiX8 it's one of the most technically impressive shots both in terms of choreography and cinematography ever put to film. But yeah, it's definitely a cool shot too.

[@ShinobiX8]

@@clanofclams2720 Doesn't change the fact that the fight(s) looks distractingly fake as sh*t. Guy can eat an octopus alive but can't connect a punch. Masterpiece, truly.

[@clanofclams2720]

@@ShinobiX8 except they don't. because in real fights people miss sometimes (yes the missing is intentional). Unless you were referring to the actual hits, in which case the hallway fight is about as convincing as any movie can get because, I hate to break this to ya, but it's not fully legal to beat the shit out of your actors. you can say "shit" it's okay, I won't tell on you.

[@michaelmaguire4147]

It's funny to me that people made the "the riddler = the zodiac killer" comparisons when the movie came out, because I walked out of that movie too.

[@clanofclams2720]

wow you're really tasteless huh

[@timelordfandango]

For me the whole "no kill" with Batman has always been an issue of tone & audience. For properties directed at general audiences like Brave and the Bold or The Animated Series it's taken completely for granted that Batman isn't going to kill anyone. Given the audience the shows are aimed at & their general tone it'd be more jarring if he did kill someone & anyone complaining he didn't would come across as a edgelord weirdo. The problem comes in when you get into dark, gritty, super cereal affairs like the Arkham games or this movie. Taking the Arkham games as an example (since I haven't seen Battinson), there's essentially no reason to keep the "no kill" rule intact for them. The games are aimed at a teenaged+ audience, feature villains who murder dozens of people regularly, and lean so far into the dark & gothic that the "no kill" rule now looks tonally inappropriate. You can't even argue that it's too important a trait of Batman to change considering how willing the creators are to warp everyone else around him to fit their uber-grit universe. After changing Harley from a gleeful gun moll into a Hot Topic skank & Ivy from a classy femme fatale into a barely clothed sexbomb for the sake of it, forcing Batman to never, ever kill anybody ever seems like an arbitrary choice. And don't anybody even dare point to some comic book run that "totally explains why Batman must never kill" as if it creates some universal constant that all works created before & after must follow. Your options are either keep the property light enough to where "no kill" is taken for granted or toss it out when you darken the setting.

[@leithaziz2716]

I cant really see it as arbitary, especially in the games where the antagonists toy with the idea that Batman is just as much of a lunatic as them. His "No killing" rule is the one thing in Bruce's mind that lets him see himself as being in the right. And that perspective creates a lot of interesting moral questions. In Batman: Under The Red Hood, Batman expresses that to him, it's not even about any pre-conceived notions of justice or difficulties of killing. His biggest fear is not knowing what'll happen afterwards when he's got no lines or moral limits to cross. What's stopping him from becoming just as bad as those he deems wrong by that point?

[@bicksbernd1640]

Why? Not even stuff like DKR which pretty much shaped a lot of uber gritty Batman he doesn't kill anyone.

[@Zangelin]

Muder is murder regardless of circumstance. and Batman really does not like murderers. It's like the whole reason he does anything.

[@jimbob1862]

Also especially for Arkham games when they escalate to the point that he's running down people in a fucking tank in Knight and shooting them with a "riot suppressor" machine gun and a 60mm cannon. Like I love the Arkham games and I feel the rule actually does fit in well with Asylum and City (especially given the ending of City). But Im replaying Knight currently and the game has you in the batmobile within 30 minutes of starting and explicitly tutorialises you by just testing the weapons on drone tanks and regular criminals. That said, outside of the Batmobile being a constant tone breaker even then I'd say Knight handles it far better than most live action versions. There are characters like Azrael who exist as more radical versions of Batman, and you can actually help him out, discuss the differences and make him a potential successor as an example if Bruce manages to talk to him enough times and find a breakthrough.

[@lexofexcel886]

Speaking as someone who thinks that it's important for superheroes in general not to resort to lethal force... Any discussion on the matter--especially when Batman is involved--will always come down to cherry picking.

[@jackiechan2524]

The batman was shit. No excitement, no charisma, no sense of danger, nothing. They made every type of batman before and now they just didn't give a shit to write a character. Just here's a guy, he's batman. He's just a weirdo. Tiktok loves him.

[@ragingguts]

Your one of those people its ok to not like the batman but to say the movie sucks im sorry i disagree this is the closet we every got to batman acting like his comic book counterpart. He did solve riddles throughout the movie and went through a character arc of learning how to be a hero and gotham was an actually gotham had a gritty dark feel like gotham from the animated series. No the movie doesn't suck its a tually good

[@jackiechan2524]

@@ragingguts your comment is retarded. And so are you. Go away.

[@FlowWolf7]

I was bored the entire time watching this movie. I was not emotionally invested in any of these characters and toward the end I kept thinking to myself," Is this the movie I just walk out on? I should have watched Sonic 2"

[@KazernskyYT]

when pat got up at 0:48 just to give gief a snuggle, i felt that

[@neighandwhinnymchorse2100]

The one thing I didn't like about this movie is how Batman didn't really...figure out the Riddler's crimes and stop him. I mean sure he "stopped" the thing at the end, and saved some people I guess, but it felt really unsatisfying to me. Other than that, I thought it was really stylish, and a lot of neat stuff- interesting takes on the characters. Not my absolute favorite version of the mythos, but pretty okay!

[@bicksbernd1640]

Not really an excuse but I think the movie might've used a bit of Earth 1 Batman comics for the setting, he's not really the best detective in that scenario.

[@ryangallagher8194]

I agree with that take. It's a solid movie with lots and lots of style, I like the overall plot, but it fumbles quite a few times in its 3 hour run, especially the last 20 minutes. Not an amazing film, but solidly good.

[@angelbotello2882]

I kind of like that Riddler pretty much got everything he wanted but it did not work out in his favor at the end. The Riddlers plan worked perfectly, but it didn’t end like he thought it would because he thought he knew Batman. And it was that Arrogance that made him fail, thinking that Batman was like him.