Wonder: Seeds of Life

Word on Fire is delighted to share a beautiful new film series entitled “Wonder: The Harmony of Faith and Science.” In the third episode, you will discover how St. Augustine’s interpretation of Genesis prefigured and fits together with evolutionary biology.
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[@carolynparral8434]

Beautiful ... !!!

[@litzaflores242]

Visually stunning, intellectually challenging and illuminating, and spiritually satisfying. Can't thank you enough. God bless all of you.

[@deanschulze3129]

I had not noticed the difference between the commands "Let there be..." and "Let the land produce..." and "Let the sea teem with...". That's a subtle but important difference.

[@shawnmueller1386]

I thought this was interesting too.........but........While the terms can lead to a tendency to think of some type of secondary agency, causation, one must keep the texts in context which highlight God's direct activity 1:21: So God created the great sea creatures 1:25: And God made the beasts of the earth

[@deanschulze3129]

But verses 11-12 omit direct activity by God and suggest secondary agency: Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds.

[@aaabbb-py5xd]

@@deanschulze3129 So your rebuttal is to repeat some verses while ignoring others

[@deanschulze3129]

​@@aaabbb-py5xd- The different verses show different modes of creation. Read Genesis 1 and note the differences.​

[@aaabbb-py5xd]

@@deanschulze3129 How do you know the verses are documenting different modes of creation. I mean, believers are the first to say that the bible is open to interpretation, and specifically, their interpretation, which may change over time. It could well be that the author here chose his phrases to achieve literary variety. After all, the whole bible can't be this guy begets that guy begets wow. So how does anyone have any confidence that this is what the bible says, and how do the faithfuls know that this is what god meant or intended. Lastly, without the often cited Augustine and Aquinas who had created a philosophical gap into which one could load a god, would you even be a christian?

[@amp2312]

The supposed contradiction of Genesis and evolution has always puzzled me and many others. This episode is so helpful in coming to understand it differently and in eliminating that contradiction. Very, very good.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@@Roman-Labrador Genesis is a myth, evolution a scientific fact. Myths needs interpretation, facts must be accepted - even if one does not like them.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@@Roman-Labrador Go ahead, prove it to be a myth.

[@johndouglas4826]

@@norbertjendruschj9121 I'd love to see the evidence of one species changing into another? Where is that proof?

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@@johndouglas4826 I would love to see the evidence for your God. Where is that proof? No God, no creation. That leaves evolution or panspermia as sole contenders. But panspermia moves only the evolution problem from earth into space. And honestly: Your question is the rhetorical talking point of so many creationistic KZbinrs. Buy a biology textbook and you find the evidence biologists can offer. I am a geophysicist, why should I discuss evolution theory with you if there are people who know much more about the topic? If you want to know why Noahs flood is nonsense I can offer my help.

[@thedekline5736]

@@Roman-Labrador and just like that, this beautiful production was wasted on you

[@princessumlas8796]

This series of Wonder Seed of Life is very interesting and so beautiful in learning about how God created us and the heavens and the earth through the book of Genesis, God's creation was pretty amazing, I love the way Jonathan Roumie's narrating this and not only that he also did a good job of reflecting and meditating about this series called Wonder - Seed of Life

[@mikesarno7973]

May God bless everyone involved with bringing this production to the world. Thank you.

[@anneturner2759]

Makes me cry , thank you , everyone. Speechless.

[@mikesarno7973]

I insist, it's just my allergies acting up. 😉

[@alejandrinahs]

Appreciating the religious main reference point in each episode, and scientific truths being details without overshadowing. It’s a beautiful endeavor to describe how Catholicism houses the magnificent discipline of Science. ❤️‍🔥

[@beautybearswitness]

The great Saint Augustin - pray for us 🙏🏻 Thank you for this work, God bless

[@nataliedoll1350]

Visually Fantastic and speaks Truth. My Science students (7th & 8th) have been able to digest these. (Especially in their media worlds which seem to have such a power over them that they are unaware of and will defend and are "offended" if told otherwise.) Perfect for them to absorb and are excited to see each one. They are writing points and then discussing them. They contain for us the fullness of our Faith within the scientific topics. Thank you. I was blessed to attend the WONDER Conference which was more of a gift than I expected. Peace! Super appreciate!

[@kevinkelly2162]

Later they will realise you lied to them but then it will be too late. 'God did that' is not an acceptable answer at university.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

As a science teacher, you should not mix religion with science. In the best case they are - according to Stephen J. Gould - "non overlapping Magisteria".

[@nataliedoll1350]

Bishop Barron, do you see these replies? Thank you.

[@mr.sandwich3939]

@@kevinkelly2162 these replies disgust me

[@Contra.Mundum.]

​​@@kevinkelly2162But let's teach them that Humean skepticism and 'logical possibility', as well as 'brute facts', are valid responses to 'why does X happen at all?' 😂 "God did that" is a perfectly valid answer so long as you can explain HOW He did it. But if you answer, as the atheist does in philosophy, that a phenomenon 'just is' or that it 'just happens', then you've fooled yourself.

[@johnmartin4650]

Excellent stuff…….thank you

[@jdprescott]

This series is beautiful and so enlightening.

[@CATDRL2]

These have been wonderful to view. The narration is incredible. I've been watching these just before bedtime so I can sleep with a calm mind.

[@lorettacordova6100]

Wonderful! Keep on producing!

[@michaelocampo1558]

Thank you. I am left with amazement and wonder. God is great! :) God bless you

[@mauriciocomesana1272]

This is awesome!🙌 Such a good work for our church🤗

[@Airship27]

So beautiful. Thank you.

[@jspin-can]

beautiful

[@marieschroeder80]

I would love to buy this series

[@eviepj1219]

This stunning series is catapulting me into an ever-deeper understanding--worship--of The Most High God. Jonathan, your narration is beautifully compelling. ❤🌻

[@EcstaticTemporality]

All in all, I have to say God did pretty good with whole creation thing

[@christinanickerson7664]

This is great🍃 God stuff🌱❣😃✌🥀

[@cherylcook8981]

Outstanding reflection on St. Augustine, Darwin and St. John Henry Newman.

[@nmhg]

Loving this series so much so far

[@constancek120]

Amen! Thank you all so much for this! ❤️

[@eliyahu.s.nkorkin3003]

Amazing. It is so faith-strengthening. What a wonderful creator we have, Each new layer of knowledge that is revealed to us glorifies him.

[@jcemd]

Every moment of one’s life is towards the perfection of his relationship with the Giver. Ideally the better version of the past, but may not often be so in the naked eye. It’s being perfected every time we love. The Alpha and the Omega of life- Love.

[@TheContessa52]

THANK YOU! I NEVER KNEW THIS!

[@frankjamesiii5362]

Since I was young, reading the bible alone by myself, I always and without doubt, took the 7 days of creation to be seven epochs or ages. God is outside of time. The Bible says one day to God is as a thousand years to man. And a thousand years to God is as yesterday gone and past. The seven days do for the most part follow the modern scientific view of evolutionary stages, first the plants, then the creatures of the sea and of the air, then the creeping things, then the animals and beasts of the land. The stage of dinosaurs are obviously one part of the beasts day of creation. Then finally man. Science today as well as common sence will say that mankind is the pinacle of evolution. This was God's plan. He holds the power to create, guide and evolve. It's clear the bible is for evolution with the history of man in genesis. Out of one couple came all nations tribes and tongues. Black, white Mexican, oriental, middle eastern. Thanks be to God

[@bikecameraaction3334]

Beautifully written

[@AliciaDawn01]

Beautiful as always.

[@MuskArmstrong0123]

What is the name of music played at the beginning of the video.

[@joolz5747]

Again, I’m going to listen to all of these and more than once. They are absolutely awesome and beautiful and the music is superb and the detail is excellent and Jonathan Roumey is the best person to be speaking this obviously. Thank you to Who never was involved in the making of this maybe more than one person probably however, they are touched my God quite obviously this is what we need we need this stuff. People are getting sick of having to memorize words. We love Jesus we love God because look what he created for heaven sakes. This is awesome. This is what we need everybody. This is beautiful thank you thank you thank you!

[@lovable20051976]

Loved it. So beautifully explained 👏

[@dominusbonus]

The concept of the clay of the earth as the origin of life is amazingly accurate. Clay is water, minerals and the basic chemical elements for organic life (Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon and nitrogen). Being and life came into existence from clay (non being) and through natural evolution human beings came into existence to fulfill God’s design.

[@kevinkelly2162]

Look, if you change the meanings of words, we can make the Bible make sense.

[@dominusbonus]

@@kevinkelly2162 the Bible makes sense. You should read it until it does.

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@dominusbonus Talking snake and a talking donkey? You must be using the word 'sense' in a novel way.

[@dominusbonus]

@@kevinkelly2162 that’s what happens when there’s a lack of critical thinking to understand deep universal truths. Just like clay, the fact that the first word God said was let there be light is also very accurate given what we know about the creation of the universe, the Big Bang and quantum mechanics. Try explaining protein chains, DNA, unicellular life, neurons, atoms and protons to a human 3000 years ago. It must be a story that leads to understand complex human realities. Not really sure what’s your purpose of commenting a faith and reason video of it isn’t to bother other people. I’m guessing there’s some type of trauma, meaning or purpose behind it. That sense of purpose and individuality is God’s imprint in you even though you keep denying it. If you are a rational animal and whatever thought is simply a chemical reaction of nature and nurture. Better keep your thoughts to yourself rather than bothering a fellow rational animal.

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@dominusbonus My thoughts never got anybody killed unlike the irrational lies you spread so just maybe you are the one who should keep their thoughts to themselves. And, fyi, the first light was 240,000 to 300,000 years after the Big Bang. But I bet it wont take you more than 5 minutes to absorb that fact and rework your world view so that this fits. All you need to do is change the meaning of words, right?

[@marieschroeder80]

I love this!!!

[@marieschroeder80]

Would love to get this DVD

[@bperatt]

Very well done, and many excellent points made so beautifully. I would add that, while it is true that the Genesis account fits very nicely with Darwin's proposal, making the account in Genesis fit "hand in glove" with a PARTICULAR, CURRENT version of a scientific theory may obscure the very point we are trying to make IF said theory some day significantly changes. (Science is self-correcting, after all, which means that it will always be correcting itself!) I think the overall message is not to rejoice that Scripture fits with our current scientific theories (which we take, bizarrely, to be somehow definitive -- until tomorrow at least when they change), but rather that the pursuits of truth through science and theology are symbiotic, not adversarial, and can and must deeply inform one another for each one to grow and mature properly. Pope Benedict said it best (of course) in his spiritual testament: "Often it seems as if science - on the one hand, the natural sciences; on the other, historical research (especially the exegesis of the Holy Scriptures) - has irrefutable insights to offer that are contrary to the Catholic faith. I have witnessed from times long past the changes in natural science and have seen how apparent certainties against the faith vanished, proving themselves not to be science but philosophical interpretations only apparently belonging to science - just as, moreover, it is in dialogue with the natural sciences that faith has learned to understand the limits of the scope of its affirmations and thus its own specificity."

[@joezilla07]

Such important highlights from such theological greats...could you provide citations from the theologians quoted, so we can read further on these topics?

[@mommyseastar5776]

I saw my brother’s name!!! He’s the producer!!!! 😂🎉❤

[@SanctusFidelis]

I’m sorry, who? 😂

[@mommyseastar5776]

@@SanctusFidelis 😂😂😂😂Great show, man! It brings together so many ideas I’ve wondered about for years! Beautifully done as well. I can’t wait to watch more! 💪🙏❤️

[@drkarenhanson]

Wow

[@Arez455]

I to once thought that the picture evolution tries to paint fits with creation. Or that it was possible for both to fit in the same picture. But this is a large error to make. “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the people of old received their commendation. By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭ESV‬‬ God made the universe from nothing. Evolution cannot account that nor can it explain it. It is an illusion the devil creates to turn us from faith. We must take God at his word. As it is written in the first verse I shared. You either take God at his word. Or you don’t. There is no partiality.

[@barbaraazzopardi489]

These episodes are so interesting and gets me really thinking but I think they are too short, especially this episode.

[@kimlevesque6103]

Is there a sequel? Would like this to go further in study.

[@drkarenhanson]

There are several episodes. This is the third, I think.

[@dawnlapka3782]

Charles Darwin was a Puritan. A Quaker. He attended Catholic Mass, more than once. That's why St. John Henry Newman wrote to Darwin. They were classmates studying common ground. Darwin was the scientific approach to Maslow, because he was a student of Maslow's. After that came Konrad Lorenz, who was a student of Maslow's. John Henry Newman was the lawyer studying philosophical law, or Canon law. They both inspired each other. These are the stories that I have read in my Bachelor's Degree and Master's Degree. And now that awe and wonder is in the Word on Fire Institute. Now I want to research some of the quotes and letters written by Darwin, Maslow and Lorenz. In essence, then, Maslow, the Jewish person who became a believer in the resurrected Christ was the real hero, because he believed that there should be affordable housing without drowning out Nature, Natural resources, creatures or humanity.

[@Idonotcare100]

I agree that there are some aspects to Darwin’s theory that fits into Christianity “like a glove” but there are other aspects to the theory that definitely do not. I wish there was more discussion on that.

[@ShawnMueller-rr1bk]

Big Fan of Word on Fire and Bishop Barron. Real sad that this part of the series (though visually beautiful) weds beautiful art with a not so beautiful theory. Why are we still trying to incorporate a materialistic, naturalistic theory that is being rejected at the highest levels in peer reviewed scientific literature into the beauty and harmony of our Catholic faith? Darwinistic evolutionary theory and the philosophy wedded to it has been adopted by none other than the likes of Marx, Hitler and Sanger, to name a few. Should we not have some reservations before striving to inculturate it into Christ's Body the Church? Theistic Evolution has some serious problems, scientifically, philosophically and theologically. Let's proceed with due reverence and caution.

[@seansilva_1996]

agreed

[@annaflower22]

Extremely disappointed that this video endorsed evolutionary theory as the credibility it needed to view 6 days as being God’s days (hence millions of years) and not human 24 hour days. What gives Darwin the credibility to elevate his theory at the pedestal under which we can understand the biblical Genesis apocryphal meaning?

[@JohnR.T.B.]

The Book of Genesis started with "In the beginning." Beginning implies a start of time, but God doesn't create within time nor does God need time to create as we need time to process or manufacture. I believe "in the beginning" implies a purpose or intent, "In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep," That is from the very beginning of creation, God is God and all creation is made by God to have a share in his divine goodness. Hence it's never meant to be read as a natural history of creation.

[@dustinrollings9440]

If everything happened naturally, where is there room for a supernatural god having anything to do with any of it?

[@Smitty7712]

Gorgeous music... What is the name of the track in this video? I see that it's Sean Beason as composer, but can't nail down the specific song!

[@seanbeeson]

Hey! It is original music, written for these specifically :D It has been such a blessing to be able to score these and work with Manny, Jonathan, and the Word on Fire team!

[@Smitty7712]

@@seanbeeson Fantastic work! I've been listening to your St. Joseph album today while working and it's super inspiring. Thank you for what you all do!

[@Thedisciplemike]

@@seanbeeson the goat himself. Gby bro

[@seanbeeson]

@@Smitty7712 Thank you :D God always gets the best fruits and all Glory!

[@CenterPorchNP]

St PJP2 said to consider the Biblical story as the why and adaptive evolution as the how of creation. Man, beast, plant all adapt to survive. We didn't come from a primordial pool of ooze and a single protein. So adaptive evolution and faith in creation work. Those who read darwin got it wrong in seeing adaptive evolution as protein to aquatic, to beast, to missing link, to man. What Darwin was describing, and St Augustine seemed to see was adaptive evolution. Which faith, science, and logic dictate.

[@BudLightBeerOfStarCommand]

Evolution is about as true as gravity, but how does a historical Adam and Eve fit without getting into serious mental gymnastics and theories?

[@joshringsell1235]

Don’t send this to the nuts at the kolbe center lol

[@shawnmueller1386]

Visually beautiful, though sadly misleading. So many have tried to photoshop Darwinism into some kind of wonderful, but as Daniel Dennett (a pro-Darwinist) says, evolution is a universal acid that eats through everything it touches. (I'm thinking macro (not micro) evolution here....from molecules to man, bacteria to Beethoven) Why give the impression that this theory is settled fact and is in harmony with our Catholic faith when so much credible opposition exists at the highest levels, offering a well reasoned, articulate stance and warns of its errors in both science, philosophy and theology. Let's proceed with charitable, reverent caution before swallowing this acidic mixture of ideas. For an articulate viewpoint, see those who signed the Dissent from Darwin list particularly Stephen Meyer and his youtube links and books on Theistic Evolution.

[@ritabiro5105]

Long time ago i have red Newman he had right it s creation from god and evolution comes from Jezus.

[@jimperrone8580]

So without trying to be too ignorant here..... are they saying that God's plan was indeed evolution? I thought they also show there is no link that we came from apes or fish??

[@mattnd20]

They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of (man as) many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed (City of God, XII, 10).[18] … [W]e should rather reflect upon the work from which time began, the work of making all things at once, simultaneously, and also endowing them with an order that is not set by intervals of time but by linking of causes… (Lit. Mean. Gen. V, 12(5)). …[T]he authority of this text of scripture, surely, overrides anything that human ingenuity is capable of thinking up” (Lit. Mean. Gen. II, 9(5)).

[@JohnR.T.B.]

I think the video is saying that St. Augustine believed in the natural explanation of creation, but the limitation of scientific discovery of his time inclined him to not speculate over things unclear or not yet proven, which is fair for him as a bishop and theologian in the 4th-5th century. I believe in the City of God, chap. XII, 10, Augustine is refuting Greek philosophers who thought that the human race has always been here since forever, only occasional catastrophic disasters would make humans restarted civilizations, but they couldn't provide evidence or texts to back their claim. Hence, Augustine is citing Scriptural authority to point out that the human race had a beginning that when calculated from Scripture to not even reach 6,000 years (that is, the human species had a definite beginning), comparing it with the Greeks' own account of history and of other civilizations around them to only a few thousand years, hence refuting the Greek philosophers who thought of an eternal existence of human race. "Thus Apuleius says when he is describing our race, “Individually they are mortal, but collectively, and as a race, they are immortal." (City of God, chap. XII, 10) "If it offends them that the time that has elapsed since the creation of man is so short, and his years so few according to our authorities, let them take this into consideration, *that nothing that has a limit is long, and that all the ages of time being finite, are very little, or indeed nothing at all, when compared to the interminable eternity.* *Consequently, if there had elapsed since the creation of man, I do not say five or six, but even sixty or six hundred thousand years,* or sixty times as many, or six hundred or six hundred thousand times as many, or this sum multiplied until it could no longer be expressed in numbers, the same question could still be put, Why was he not made before? For the past and boundless eternity during which God abstained from creating man is so great, that, compare it with what vast and untold number of ages you please, so long as there is a definite conclusion of this term of time, it is not even as if you compared the minutest drop of water with the ocean that everywhere flows around the globe." (City of God, chap. XII, 12)

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Love these videos. ☝🏻🫶🏻🙏🏻🕊🙌🏻⛪️👍🏻 but evolution. 🤪 man . I pray it has nothing to do the other evolution scientist think. I pray and don't think I came from a fish. Living creature then a monkey then human. Just as the Bible said. God created the Man.. 🙏🏻🕊🫶🏻😇

[@giftenjoyer3664]

Seems wrong to me since death is not natural.

[@sandranlembosantamarina6227]

Very wrong and most of all confusing . Sorry I do follow bishop Barron and all his work But this?