Words kpop stans need to learn the meaning of cause y’all are illiterate

[@soph3n0t]

Instead of dragging yunjin, kpop stans should have used that energy to boycott scooter braun and the projects he’s been involved in👀

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

Kpop stans be boycotting kpop, like Israel cares if you're not listening to TXT or BABYMONSTER. Like they'll stop harming Palestinian people if they don't listen to big 3 + hybe and starship groups. Also why do kpop stans only boycott 5 companies like they're the only ones who associate with brand that are zionist? What makes them so sure that the other companies groups they stan instead of these 5 companies are safe and okay to stream and give support to?

[@EecO7Jnp]

You mean the Taylor S thing?

[@Santia5a]

​@@jasoninthea.m7471poor Palestine 😂

[@MidnightxCrow]

That won't help the Palestinian cause in any way, he is an awful person but the things he does are part of his personal beliefs at the end of the day, Hybe or whatever can't remove him legally for that especially since he is a shareholder so unless there is a breach of contract or something illegal there is just nothing they can do even if they want to, so the only people that will be hurt are the groups or artists who have nothing to do with all of this and are just literally working for their dreams

[@MidnightxCrow]

You need to either protest to your governments or donate money, that's the only way you can help right now....and I'm saying this as a Muslim myself that have been educated about the cause for decades and not just from last year

[@Aelita___]

I would like to add the word "it girl", it does not mean "pretty girl", it does not mean "all rounder", it does not mean "charismatic" and it definitely isn't a subjective expression. In Korea, an It girl is (and has always been) the idol/ artist with most brand deals, which is completely quantitative and there's no room for personal opinions. The 3rd gen It girl was Jennie, the 4th gen It girl is Wonyoung. It doesn't matter if you don't like them or if you think they're not pretty or talented. An it girl is the most popular girl IN KOREA, you see her everywhere in ads, shows, magazines, etc. STOP CALLING EVERY PRETTY OR ALL ROUNDER IDOL AN IT GIRL, or what's worse, demeriting, insulting, and making fun of the real it girls just because you don't like them.

[@wony_stvr]

LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@svt_kiof]

It means the idol with the most influence imo. Like Jennie's glasses/hair clips, wony's makeup, suzy's smile, etc.

[@fishiefish2249]

i dont really think so cuz it girl in the context kpop fans use it is most similar to the way tiktok did in its “that girl” trend- the it girl is a girl with clear skin, smooth and shiny hair, soft lips, and enviable posture/movement. the it girl is the girl who many girls want to be. the it girl often has a lot of brand deals for her reputation, but that’s not what defines her.

[@Aelita___]

@fishiefish2249 Yeah no, read my comment again. In kpop context, korean context, the it girl is the most popular. How do you quantify that? With the brand deals. Obviously, the girl with most brand deals is not going to have bad skin, ugly, and a bad figure or posture. But just because you are a physically attractive and popular idol, it doesn't mean you're an It girl. And I'm talking about idols or artists, not "the high school It girl", which, by the way, the mainstream idea of It girl developed from the korean It girl (because all of them shared certain desirable features)

[@svt_kiof]

@@Aelita___ Brand deals can't really quantify popularity as much. Someone with less brand deals can be more popular than someone with more brand deals. These days companies just buy kpop idols brand deals. Popularity can be quantified by ig fans, influence, hate, etc.

[@SuperChika32]

I don't know, but the issue of hating idols over Starbucks or McDonald's has always felt like selective activism to me. I remember it started with Somi because, ofc, she was the perfect target unlike many groups, she lacks a big fandom, so I saw in real-time the amount of racist comments with thousands of likes she received. It was normalized to say anything misogynistic about her, and even though I never liked Somi, I'm glad I didn't participate in that. This is just a witch hunt where most of the targeted people were female idols because I never saw such hate train when a male idol promoted Starbucks or other brands. I also remember when they attacked WY for holding a Starbucks cup that her staff gave her (It happened on X, but the good thing is that it didn't spread further). Ppl started hating on her, calling her a "pick me," and making comments like, "This is why I've always hated this pick me." From then on, I knew it was a witch hunt against idols just to attack the ones K-pop fans hated the most. I'm tired of K-pop fans turning everything into a fanwar. They think that by hating or attacking idols, they are doing some kind of charity work when they really don't care about the real issue and aren't doing anything productive to help in a good way. One of the most affected nowadays is Yunjin, and unfortunately, it's because many saw her as a relatable idol, but that's no reason to harass and hate someone.

[@svt_kiof]

Plus, it's even on Starbucks' official website that they don't support Israel and have given humanitarian aid in Gaza.

[@Stay_Zerose]

@@svt_kiof Yeah they were being boycott because they didn't allow their worker's to unionise and then this somehow got blended in with Palestine, like actually WTF.

[@Ryu-lw1pl]

@@svt_kiof However, their lawsuit against their employees for their solidarity with Palestinian contradicts their words. From what I know(I may be wrong), they still haven't dropped those lawsuits and the aids were given After they received backlash. (March 2024)

[@svt_kiof]

@@Ryu-lw1pl "Starbucks and the union organizing its workers sued each other Wednesday in a standoff sparked by a social media post over the Israel-Hamas war.Starbucks sued Workers United in federal court in Iowa Wednesday, saying a pro-Palestinian social media post from a union account early in the Israel-Hamas war angered hundreds of customers and damaged its reputation.". But ig this was because they posted something with the Starbucks logo which I think is copyrighted and Starbucks were mad they lost sales from people against Palestine. Now, they've freely shown support to Palestine which could be a positive effect from the backlash and boycotts, congratulations.

[@Yoest.1]

Not even politicians who actually cause wars and do way worse things get the same amount of hate that Somi received.

[@a.RandomPerson]

i think the problem people have with Ahyeon is her random bursts of energy on stage but that shouldn't lead to hate but to ACTUAL constructive critisism. She's even been told by Yang Hyun-suk (Former CEO of YG) to lower her energy and I dont know much about boy groups so I've never heard of hate against San

[@noydbnoydb9402]

I agree. I've seen some clips of her where she looks ridiculous and is definitely overdancing

[@vixxexo6855]

Like Ahyeon is definitly offsync with the rest of the group. She has to tone down her energy and not overdo stuff.

[@onlydbrasko]

So after 5+ years of evaluations and approval from the most renowned idol training agency that only 5 pct of its applicant survive to debut, no one mentions it was YGs guidance that led to her over dancing or whatever criticism she received but one advice over a dance move in an MV somehow proves that Ahyeon was at fault all these years since she a 12 year old, right? 😂

[@starhwas]

San used to get a lot of hate (not sure if he still does as i found better circles on twt) for his performance and quite cruel comments regarding it. I know i have a very obvious bias with ateez being my ult group but it always baffled me that he was heavily criticized for “over performing” in songs that demanded a strong performance to make it memorable. It’s not like he was out of sync with the other members doing a lighter, cuter song. He matched the vibes of every performance very well imo and the hate seemed incredibly ridiculous.

[@onlydbrasko]

@@starhwas Exactly. They pick the low-hanging fruits to criticize. TOP from Big Bang used to stop dancing altogether from the choreo but no one every accused him of lazy or "under performing" because they know they'd get destroyed by the kpop community. One person even tried to use "because Big Bang wasn't known as a dance team" as an argument to fit his/her delusion.

[@vangyul]

No because the pedojeans jokes are crazy…it was never about “defending” the girls and just dragging min heejin, it was about belittling and ridiculing newjeans all along

[@glaciemdraco]

Yeah, personally, I dont really care for the group (music-wise), I have all the hate for that woman, I dont hate on the girls themselves, I simply avoid their music. If anything, Im a bit disappointed - but understand why - in them seemingly siding with that woman but thats about it .

[@EecO7Jnp]

@@glaciemdraco Right. They and their parents are far from innocent.

[@glaciemdraco]

@@EecO7Jnp Dont get me started on their parents please. They clearly just want everything that comes with being a celeb's parent, whatever the consequences may or may not be :/

[@EecO7Jnp]

@@glaciemdraco I agree!

[@nakuraitomi21]

@@glaciemdracoI would give the benefice of the doubt with the girls, they are still very young and could be manipulated but min heejin, which explain why they side with her. However their parents are definitely at fault

[@lilithyolanda9851]

FINALLY someone brings up the Yunjin situation 😂 literally those girls are overworked daily, have multiple events to go to, and perform almost every week for hours. If you’re not gonna make them the coffee they need to stay awake then don’t complain abt the coffee they get cuz Starbucks is convent and fast for their schedules. Also THANK YOU for bringing up Illit, it seems like anytime someone calls out the hate towards them people defend the hate by saying it’s constructive criticism but really it’s js immature anger fueled by complete imbecilic followers that can’t think for their own.

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

Sorry you dont have the discipline to boycott and act like not drinking starbucks will kill them

[@vixxexo6855]

@@GXXDBOYJAYYou can’t force people to boycott anything. In the end it is just coffe from an AMERICAN brand.

[@miadavis4837]

@@GXXDBOYJAY Sorry you can't bother to take 10 seconds to look up the fact that Korean Starbucks is independent and owned by a Korean company before you get online and post a ton of hate messages attacking people.

[@lilithyolanda9851]

@@GXXDBOYJAY I ain’t even gonna say none cuz your already getting eaten up LMFAO 😂

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

@@miadavis4837 attacking who exactly?

[@clown_fishh]

also certain kpop stans calling groups they dont like flops, 'bts r flops' be so serious rn..

[@jinsoulsbetta]

right like i don’t like bts at all but they’re definitely not flops LMFAOOO

[@overthinkingkpop]

YESSSS @ the Starbucks cup bullies. I'm so sick of performative activism.

[@vixxexo6855]

Like how does drinking from an american brand have to do with a war far away from America? Like instead of whine everywhere on social media, they can instead donate that will actually help victims. Some boycott won’t change anything.

[@svt_kiof]

Starbucks' official website says that they don't support Israel. It's on their official website. It's even stated that they've donated humanitarian aid in Gaza.

[@svt_kiof]

@@myriaspirits4247 Even if they might have done something with Israel, now they don't, now they support Palestine. Congratulations, your protests and boycotts worked. Now y'all can strike Starbucks off the list.

[@LiitoTuotanto]

It is very absurd how lightly the word zionist or zionism supporter is thorwn around. Zionism is a very serious thing and has actual deep historical roots. If we look at the people around us and ask them if they are zionist they will most likely say no, even if they have bought something from boycotted companys. I think the same applies to kpop idols. They are people like us even if they are in the public eye. (Ofc they need to be educated for their wrong doings) Nevertheless they most likely are not zionist, this word is very specific and needs to be used purposefully. We need to remember how to use words corretly!

[@noydbnoydb9402]

People have started equating Jewish/Israeli with Zionist. They're not the same. You can be Israeli and not Zionist

[@LiitoTuotanto]

@@noydbnoydb9402 Yes, I agree. People flock words together and don’t understand the nuance. Being Jewish doesn’t make you a zionist. You can also be born in Israel and disagree with zionism. Being a zionist is purely agreeing with the ideology of zionism. It’s a state of mind and advocating for it.

[@Samuel-hu8uk]

@@LiitoTuotanto agreed, i love Starbucks not because of the brand but as a coffeeholic, It doesn’t mean that I am a Zionist. But if I was a celebrity I might reconsider to not being public about it but people mainly knetz love to spread hate and rumours just because they hate a particular person or an idol which is absurd imo

[@Yurito12]

Thank you its so disturbing people using the word zionst so lightly towards people who unintentionally eat or drink from a boycotted company. I think today Isreal's war crimes are coming to light in Korea also, I hope these idols start paying attention too to world issues.

[@crystalsnow1138]

I hate when people throw terms like pedo, zionists, racists, homophobes etc. around so loosely.

[@I_love_Wendybc__Wendy]

Real

[@hyunjinsanity]

Eating McDonald's does NOT make someone a zionist???? They probably dont even know about the boycotts!! I'm British, so the Palestine situation has been heavily covered in the news, i didnt even know about the boycott until a few weeks ago! People need to focus on REAL issues instead of using this awful event to hate on kpop idols they dislike.

[@BTSISMYHAPPYPLACE4VER]

Louder!!!

[@MidnightxCrow]

​@@SpudhutCXrepyeah but it should be carried from someone's will plus boycott is normally done following a set list not just every kind of brand and product out there to the point that people can't use anything nor buy anything anymore...I think you forget that some countries don't have the privilege of having alternative local brands for the stuff that you are putting on the boycott list...plus in my opinion I think it would be more helpful to just donate money to the cause rather than boycotting random things that will not help them in any way, since we know isr*el isn't living off these brands, they have literally massive lobbies and what really helps them are the governments of western countries like the US and more not Mcdonalds or whatever (I don't even consume these brands, but still I don't think the way things are going is healthy), we don't know people's intentions and beliefs so we can't go around ranking them on morality based on whether they consume such and such products when they might be contributing more than you in secret

[@maemomo-wd1kc]

How can you say that they literally feed the Israeli soldiers who do that to Palestinians bfrrr

[@maemomo-wd1kc]

@@BTSISMYHAPPYPLACE4VERMac and other brands support the Israeli soldiers who literally harm Palestinians

[@maemomo-wd1kc]

@@MidnightxCrowbut in her case she has alternatives

[@pau4843]

Thank you, finally some kpop stans with critical thinking skills, a working brain and no sheep mentality

[@jangleerora]

Certain fandoms using dozen against exo when an exol came up with the term is CRAZYYY

[@cy6errat]

Bet those who are shitting on K-pop idols and boycotting companies didn’t send a single dollar to actually help people in Palestine.

[@maemomo-wd1kc]

Some people can’t afford shut up

[@idolwhisper]

that's a disgusting thing to say.

[@zomgakittyz]

jump

[@milli3377]

​@@maemomo-wd1kc Well then maybe you can afford to shut your mouth because you clearly aren't helping any victims.

[@vixxexo6855]

@@maemomo-wd1kcI bet the so called people who can’t ”afford“ it are going around spreading hate on their newest iphones.

[@YakiruNo]

Regarding the "constructive criticism": Even if you manage to formulate valid criticism without any insults, it's not automatically constructive. In order for criticism to be constructive, it must include information that can potentially help to improve. Things like "Her vocals are bad" or "His performance is lacking" might be valid criticism, but aren't constructive at all. Then again, actually constructive criticism often requires a certain amount of expertise or insight into preparations and production. Therefore it's not always possible for someone to give constructive criticism, but please, don't pretend your criticism is constructive when it isn't. Criticism doesn't always need to be constructive, especially when it's supposed to be read by other viewers/listeners instead of the artists and their production team.

[@choibini]

people should be donating and supporting and advocating and spreading awareness for Palestine instead of dragging yunjin for one single drink

[@_Wonnielvrs]

I was watching a tiktok live about k-pop opinions and the host asked others who they thought were dozens and someone called Wonyoung a dozen and when we asked her why she thought that she said it’s because she’s only known for her visuals like that’s not what a dozen is 😭

[@soft4taeng]

Exactly! But also calling her a dozen when she has nice vocals, a crazy stage presence and she’s also such a good lyricist is crazy 😭

[@eliquos]

That's like calling sullyoon and suzy dozen 😭

[@_Wonnielvrs]

@@soft4taeng Right! Wonyoung is so talented yet so underrated talent wise

[@_Wonnielvrs]

@@eliquos frrr just because Wonyoung gets more attention for her visuals does not mean she’s a dozen

[@eliquos]

@@_Wonnielvrs real

[@Hayley356]

I saw people call Dahyun, J-Hope and Felix dozens😭

[@Hope-du4gw]

Ahyeon is literally overperforming she sticks out a lot, even YG told her to calm down

[@Airmonke]

Omfg thank you for bringing up constructive criticism. I definitely think idols need it but when your insulting them and sending death threats that’s just straight up cyber bullying at that point. It ridiculous that people really think it’s okay cause they’re just giving “constructive criticism”

[@KrabKakes]

Heavy on zionist

[@aSUGAaddiction]

Dozen is new to me. Thanks for the vocabulary lesson

[@yoonized970]

It really pisses me off whenever people say idols are “overperforming” like what are they supposed to do if not giving their all and going all out? Idols that have been accused of this always have hard hitting songs so it makes sense if they use their full energy on stage. This just makes me think the haters stan groups with mediocre stage presence

[@francismarasiganiii4549]

They know Babymonster is loaded with talent and they're just using that excuse because their fave groups don't have the talent and can't keep up.

[@vixxexo6855]

@@francismarasiganiii4549My favs perform better then Ahyeon. Ahyeon legit can’t perform, she is very offsync with rest of the group. Like making offputting expressions and doing a whole different dance then the rest of the group is not good stage presence.

[@francismarasiganiii4549]

@@vixxexo6855 Ahyeon can't perform? Is that joke? 🤣🤣

[@navyies]

As a person who is really mad about the bullying under the name of “criticism” because constructive criticism must be CONSTRUCTIVE. Calling a woman (or man) a dying cat in a washing machine is not criticism. You need to point out the mistakes, fine, but you also need to be aiming for the improvement of the idol. You could tell that the idol could’ve sounded better if they changed their techniques. Or tell that they need to sing in the range they’re comfortable with, yet they would really improve if they practiced about the current range they are supposed to sing. Same with dancing and rapping, instead of calling an idol bad things for not being able to rap that good or dance that good, you could focus on the point that they could improve by practicing their flow! No, insults aren’t criticism and y’all’s so-called “constructive” criticism is only breaking them down instead of “constructing”

[@Danielle_bunny]

5:05 i think the real reason she was dragged was because she shouted her highnotes and rap part

[@francismarasiganiii4549]

Ahyeon doesn't shout her high notes

[@vchaversetv]

A lot of ppl said she did ​@@francismarasiganiii4549

[@noventanine]

NO BUT FR, SOME PPL REALLY CALL YUTA A DOZEN💀💀YUTA CAN SING AND DANCE BETTER THAN YOUR FAVES

[@cookiekingdom7881]

also kpop stans call kiss of life’s hanuel a dozen, and it’s so ridiculous that people call her a dozen because they know she can outsing their faves 💀

[@eliquos]

Tf

[@staryyvs]

OMG HEY OLIVIA

[@Maestro_Wonu]

And is also a body shamer, so yea it’s quite justified when it comes to him

[@orbitsomnia]

​@@Maestro_Wonu sorry but how does that relate? its not justifiable at all

[@cargonewjeanz]

title is literally facts

[@mrsnobody2637]

Ahyeon isn't overperforming, she struggles with the use of power in dancing and she hasn't yet learned how to fit in with the rest of her group

[@ykmlh]

stop cuz why this are the most real words i’ve heard in a while..

[@yazbr8863]

I agree with every topic except the overperforming/overdancing thing, I know it's not a topic to hate but in my opinion the way you dance and express yourself is part of controlling your own body and there are a lot of idols who obviously want to stand out more than others in a saturated industry. It doesn't have to do with whether you dance better or not but a lot of idols clearly think that by overperforming they will be more praised than others. An example of dancing correctly is Momo or Lisa, they dance perfectly to the rhythm of their groups because they don't want to stand out even if they are masters at dancing, they can control their dances and adjust to their groups and let's not act like a lot of kpopers aren't using overperforming of their favs to attack other groups, I remember that MAMA collaboration between Newjeans, IVE and Lesserafim. Kyujin was clearly overdancing during Hype Boy and many NMIXX fans and non-fans alike attacked the other girls especially saying "it's not her fault that your girls can't dance" and dragging the others because one of them overdancing, which in my opinion is not a topic to hate on but I can be objectively critical.

[@marcy_marcy2895]

fr like just because some idol held a note for 2 seconds,talked fast and lifted their shoulder doesn't mean that they are an allrounder like PLS

[@mamastay164]

A DOZEN MEANS 12 OF SOMETHING.

[@levender10V3]

That's literally what I thought 😭

[@Sanatizer_1009]

@@levender10V3SAMEE

[@Iapologize-h1x]

Like you cant be a dozen if theres only 4 members😭

[@Felixsbluehairstrand]

People want skz to speak up about the Palestine situation bc they have influence, and while I do think they do, if they REALLY wanted to support the would’ve tried to get the attention of politicians because K-pop idols have no power, sure they can get a large audience but wouldn’t it be better to get the audience of people who would really want to help and support money instead of some K-pop fan who really wouldn’t and can’t do anything?

[@miraetale]

4:14 HELP NAH THATS KINDA FUNNY 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@francismarasiganiii4549]

The hate on Ahyeon is forced hate because they know she's too damn good, their faves can't keep up with her and they're running out of excuses to discredit her talent. Telling YG artists they're overperforming is the joke of the century. Stick with your boring, annoying, cringy, cutesy patootsy music that y'all always support and leave Babymonster and Ahyeon alone.

[@oofedget]

Tbh for me its actual forced hate but I def think she can def "calm" down becuz even Teddy even said so, so the group can look more synchronised, but instead of actual hate she should get criticism

[@francismarasiganiii4549]

@@oofedget Teddy is not involved with Babymonster

[@oofedget]

@@francismarasiganiii4549 my bad, its yang hyun suk

[@navabro100]

XG has atleast 3 all rounders. Maya, Cocona and maybe Chisa, her verse in Woke Up was awesome.

[@ooriginalkawaipotato3840]

Yeah but Idk what they are cuz like people say they’re not Kpop but they use korean words in songs even if they sing mostly in English and the members are Japanese and the group was made in Korea?😔what are they???? I have seen so many xg fans shitting on Kpop fans because of comparing or saying they’re Kpop so 😢what are they really?

[@Dany-lx1wx]

8:22 Heejin from ARTMS is an all-rounder too!

[@lukeb1861]

Ok but ahyeon literally was overperforming. She would scream on stage. Also they are in a group for a reason. They need to be cohesive. Ahyeon was sticking out in the dances and it did not fit the rest of the group

[@imzaina]

Yunjin got so much hate for it like seriosuly girl dint even promote it like other idols on her social media but still got more hate and trolling then any one could ever get😭😭 feel really bad for that talented girl!!😣

[@_JustArandomMultistan_]

"girl dint even promote it like other idols" But that's beside the point. Even if she didn't promote it like other idols, there is a valid reason behind the boycotting of Starbucks. There is bigger issues that lies within that branch of Starbucks. It's not about the level of promotion; it's about the principles behind the boycott. And that comparison doesn’t even make sense. Just because she didn’t push it like other idols doesn’t change the fact that Starbucks is being boycotted for funding something seriously messed up. It’s about the issue, not who promoted it more. Yunjin could’ve just apologized and owned up to her mistake. Look at Jake from Enhypen-he was caught drinking Starbucks on a live stream and on Weverse his fans and ENGENEs explained the boycott to him, and he ended up apologizing. That’s how Yunjin could've handled it to avoid all this drama.

[@Reve-to-the-V]

Personally, I think that a more appropriate definition of overperforming would be a lack of control in energy during performances, where dance moves and facial expressions are executed with an excessive amount of energy that isn't appropriate for the tone of a song. The example of doing lip bites during a performance of likey seems more like an issue of not understanding the producer's or songwriter's intention behind the mood they wanted the song to convey. Although both issues are similar, they equally are slightly different.

[@sunflowerrgirll]

so real with the over performing one, im literally getting attacked on tt bc i said if you dont like the way ahyeon dances dont look at her and ppl are saying im “babying her” and cant “take criticism” 💀 and the ppl that are “criticizing” her dont even stan her or babymonster like what

[@cookiekingdom7881]

i love watching your videos bc i agree with a lot of the topics you discuss in your videos. i know this is off topic but i was wondering if you could make a future video talking about aespa’s giselle mistreatment claims bc i think people are over exaggerating about this supposed mistreatment from sm. i know the claims have died down a bit but in my opinion what sm is doing is giselle is more like mismanagement.

[@MyrkaylaAugustin]

Youve done it again, sof! Love this vid! I also have a vid idea for you: What are your thoughts on kpop getting into the westernization? And the international groups vcha, kateye, flo, ect. Do you think kpop has a chance to go in the western market?

[@madridfrankenstein8388]

Park seohyun from tripleS is/was a dozen... because she used to upload photos of how pretty she is. Cause thats a dozen, influencers that just because they are pretty, have popularity, but an specific visual aesthetic. And park seohyun participated in the production of songs in her group, and is a good singer, rapper and dancer... and still a dozen for her visuals

[@djvillan]

pedo means fart in Spanish 😅

[@Sanatizer_1009]

LMFAOO IG MHJ IS A FART

[@chuuislovechuuislife]

My Columbian friend told me that when I was younger and I laughed so hard

[@ooriginalkawaipotato3840]

Absolutely agree with all you have said

[@mjstan-e9p]

8:34 then heeseung is a all rounder

[@Sanatizer_1009]

Don't forget it girl and payola

[@noydbnoydb9402]

Yeonjun is absolutely not an all-rounder. His vocals are average at best, not the exceptional skill they say is needed to qualify

[@isha.sarraf]

If you think so u need to watch their live performances

[@MidnightxCrow]

Well you clearly don't know him then... He is literally really talented even a lot of big seniors in the industry have commented on his skills and noticed him

[@thetruthuntold924]

If yeonjun isn't all-rounder, so is the rest of kpop, because there's no idol in kpop who has exceptional skills in all 3 categories. For example, Han, the most noticeable all-rounder, is decent at idol dancing

[@noydbnoydb9402]

@thetruthuntold924 There are definitely those who do, he is not one of them

[@noydbnoydb9402]

@@isha.sarraf I've heard him, he's average

[@smileyykpop]

YES !! i agree with this video sm

[@mintyy_fresh]

People genuinely forget there are people who are actually there for the music,its not that deep..adults can stan younger groups if its for the music…

[@madic15]

I don’t go to Starbucks to begin with, but I never boycotted McDonald’s. I live in a very rural area where you can count the number of places to eat nearby on one hand and the closest actual grocery store being almost 20 miles away. Not to mention, the McDonald’s app’s reward system is actually rewarding and I can eat a full meal for less than $5 using the app, compared to the $150 a week I’m spending on groceries right now. A boycott isn’t always feasible for everyone for money or time reasons. That’s why I don’t really give a damn if Yunjin drinks her green mermaid coffee. She can have as much as she wants

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

Why do you act like there's no other alternative cafes she can order drinks from?

[@miadavis4837]

@@GXXDBOYJAY Please do your research. Korean Starbucks is independently owned by a Korean company called Shinsegae. The Starbucks people are boycotting sold all their shares in Korean Starbucks back in 2015 and now gets zero profits from it. So Yunjin is free to buy Starbucks in Korea any time she wants.

[@vixxexo6855]

@@GXXDBOYJAYhow much have you donated? I bet only thing you do is note every person going to Starbucks.

[@iamweird-ei7s]

another person u could add to the all-rounder list is (G)-idle's soyeon because she can write and produce songs, she's on the best female rappers in the industry, and she has good vocals. I don't know how u would classify her dancing tho as to me it's pretty good but she might not just be the best in her group.

[@Binchanareangels]

0:51 I think we all know who their talking about (He didn't deserve that)

[@BrainError404]

Facts ❤

[@djdjsjskjdnnxsjns]

i know yujin is an amazing singer and dancer but ive never heard her rap, can someone drop some links so i could listen?

[@user-productQueen]

🙄 not all

[@Tfgbjvvgfzzbokkkkssss]

Do you think Shuhua is a dozen? And do you think Jennie is an all rounder?

[@greenchronic9141]

Is this video approved for new kpop fans to watch? just asking as a beginner... not really beginner cus i enjoyed kpop back in 2015-2019. Now 2022 im comeback to enjoy it again and still dont know shi about the term kpop fans use. kpop are weird tho... and why kpop fans always start an argument when they are soft and easy to get offended?

[@Bonnke-i5k]

Finally, someone is talking about the Zionism issue despite the threat of being bullied, bashed and canceled. I wish there were no wars and I know that this has been going on for decades. Innocent people are suffering from BOTH SIDES, not just on the P'tine side the way it's often portrayed by these activists. Let's talk about the most recent events in Oct 2023 when P'tine bombed Isra*l killing and injuring thousands who were just attending a concert/festival. They also kidnapped civilians including children and have not released them yet. Did Isra*l retaliate? Yes, big time. The conditions in Gaza is so heartbreaking but note that millions of donation dollars have poured in. Is Isra*l controlling where this money goes? No, it's their corrupt govt's failure to manage and distribute this money. And why is the suffering from one side ignored while the other side is highlighted? And genoc*ide? It has always been the P*tine Ham*s side that have openly declared that it is their goal to eliminate a whole people group from the face of the earth. Activists say get educated? Yes, please educate yourselves before getting heated over what an idol drinks or eats.

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

Only Palestinians suffered in this GENOCIDE, not war

[@Hope-du4gw]

@@GXXDBOYJAY ignorant much

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

@@Hope-du4gw not ignorant, just not blinded

[@GXXDBOYJAY]

@user-eu1qd6cp8j People in Israel is not innocent as they acknowledge Israel as a country living on Palestinians's land. You brought up the concert bombing but where were you when Palestine keeps being displaced and bombed since the 60s? Fuck you Palestine will be free!

[@Hope-du4gw]

@@GXXDBOYJAY yes bro ignorant. The fact that you cannot see that general public of Israel is also getting killed, raped and kidnapped

[@K-Limu]

But honestly ahyeon was overperforming during like that era. In their other era it's fine because even if she don't look natural to me sometimes she still fitting the vibe of the song and it hype everyone up. But in like that era, it's more calm, elegant and she still dance and do facials expressions like in sheesh era when it's a totally differents concept. She doesn't fit the concept at all, and it affect the global picture of the group because like that era isn't focused as much on hyping and exciting the crowd like sheesh so she cant look like a soloist on stage. For exemple lisa or jennie from bp in the pretty savage, kill this love, typa girl era should not perform like in lovesick girl or dont know what to do era and they don't(and this is why we can say they have good stage presence) . This is just called professionalism, it come with time and i'm sure that ahyeon will learn it with the years and experience, and it's difficult but i wish her all the luck. For San, like you said, i don't think he is overperforming, because the concept of ateez need so much energy, power, facials etc. And he is very good at it he is incredible on stage. For the all rounder thing i totally agree! Like nowadays everyone say "oh she could be an allrounder if she improve this or this" but if it's the case then everyone could be an allrounder. And some people consider someone an allrounder when this idol dance like every others idols, rap just because nobody else in the group can rap, can sing three words without being off tune and don't have a completely blank face on stage. Like, come on, an all rounder should be very good or very above average at least(and not with the 5th gen standart 💀). And if they are not allrounders it's not problematic at all! Like some of the most talented idols (taemin, jhope, chen,seulgi) have their best strenght or are ace(but again it's very misused) and everyone know theur talents! The idols i do think are allrounder are: jungkook, han(they are the only two i can say they are allrounder for sure) and some with a lot of potential are yeoungeun from kep1er(i'm not sure about her rap, she showed it in gp999 and it was good but not that much after), yeonjun(his vocal and rap ability are still unclear to me because i don't stan boygroups but i think he is really above average), yena(she is very good in dancing and singing but i need her to showcase stronger rap to be sure), and bora(incredible singer, very competent idol dancer, and she showed good rap and writing skills and a lot of potential in gp999). For me i just disagree on the fact that yujin and rei are allrounder. Yujin really shine in her group as a good dancer and vocalist but honestly her vocals skill are maybe just a little bit above average. And it's her stage presence who make her dancing standout a lot, and her way to add variations, but gaeul is still better and even gaeul is not a standout in the kpop industry in terms of dance. And i don't know about yujin rapping skills at all. For rei, for me it's the same, she is just decent as a dancer(but not really good), a decent vocalist ( she is average)and a good rapper. So for me, nobody in ive is allrounder but they still talented. And i don't know for the others exemple you mentionned. But maybe there is some other all rounder i know that i forgot here.

[@JustaregularInsomnia]

omg i totally agree it's like kpop stans dropped out in kindergarten 😭 I do have a question tho; how good do they have to be at all aspects? Because I know it's probably impossible to be perfect at all aspects, but would you consider idols like Su A from Dreamcatcher an all rounder? Or do they need to have abilities and talents similar to a Lead Dancer, Lead Vocalist, Lead Rapper and center etc. etc.?

[@soft4taeng]

I would totally consider Sua an all rounder since she is a main dancer, a lead rapper and one of the strongest vocalists in the group. I think that as long as a member has solid skills in singing, dancing and rapping they can be considered all rounders (even better if they have great stage presence) but they have to be actually good, not just mediocre like some idols that are praised for being all rounders but are quite weak at what they do

[@JustaregularInsomnia]

@@soft4taeng great thx, but are there any strong examples of mediocre idols praised for being all rounders? (this feels like an interview but i'm honestly curious 😭)

[@soft4taeng]

One example that comes to mind is twice’s Chaeyoung. I remember how much onces always tried to insert her in the best kpop all rounders discussion when she’s an okay rapper and definitely a mediocre singer/dancer. It’s not like she’s bad but she’s quite overhyped by her own fandom i think. Chaeyoung is obviously not the only example but she’s the one i can think of right now

[@user-cj5tm3te7c]

​@@JustaregularInsomniajennie, yeonjun,

[@Maestro_Wonu]

Okay, while I get and somewhat understand your point, in all honesty, why can’t some of these so called idols not just associate with these brands tho? Or let’s say they do, why must they post about it to their large audience KNOWING FULLY WELL the repercussion that comes with it? It’s giving “I know this will bring me hate but imma just do it anyway” and I have not the slightest idea why y’all go on to act surprised if the dragging eventually ensues as if they didn’t know. Let’s make it make sense sometimes

[@Maestro_Wonu]

@@SpudhutCXrep the names you mentioned are actually the absolute worst, there’s no denying that fact. Eric Nam especially🤦🏻‍♀️ But my point is aimed towards idols who deliberately do these things and act surprised as if they didn’t know what to expect later on. People will never stop eating McDonald’s or drinking Starbucks, but they genuinely don’t have to post it or rub it in peoples faces like they don’t care even if they don’t.

[@dahlias1137]

@@Maestro_WonuI think that she was mostly pointing at the hate that Yunjin received for it even if she drank it during her personal time

[@dahlias1137]

And her point is promoting brands being boycotted does not equat to being a zionist or supporting a genocide not that they can’t be called out for it ( just not hating on them with death threats…)

[@EecO7Jnp]

The immature go to line- look it up….-get a dictionary. Do people really think their verbiage is that complicated? It’s dumb. Imo

[@wendytaylor252]

Ive’s Rei is not an all-rounder. Neither is Yujin, but especially not Rei, she’s below average in dancing and just okay at singing. Yujin has never been better that just mediocre at rapping so she fits your statement of a ‘main vocal who’s good at dancing but can’t rap’

[@w0nyst0e]

I think most people think that a dozen is someone who has one flaw when it’s obviously not. Just cause you don’t like lesserafim doesn’t mean that they are dozens. Someone told me that my standards are low just cause I said some idols who aren’t dozens weren’t dozens like Wdym my standards are low ur literally misusing the word 😭

[@zk7747]

1. I'm going to say it bluntly. Even if McDonald's in your country is independent, like mine and Korea's, it doesn't matter. This isn't about money; it's about the statement. By posting a picture of McDonald's, regardless of its independence, a statement was made. Stop being delusional, thinking he or anyone in Korea doesn't know. Have some shame. Even if he paid for and ate it, why post it? The reason was to make a statement.

[@vangyul]

Boycotting mcdonald’s isn’t gonna change anything in the conflict going on. Not to mention nobody is obliged to take part in this boycott, everyone can do whatever they want. This is peak performative activism and it goes to show our generation is just stupid. Years ago people took part in actual protests and donated money to support a cause instead of playing bullies online.

[@zk7747]

​​@@vangyul I'm not here to attack any idol, nor do I have any interest in doing so. However, when my people are being killed, it's no longer just about a post. He is fully aware of the influence he wields over his followers. Fans, regardless of their fandom, claiming their idols are clueless of such matters is truly pathetic. If they are indeed unaware, they must educate themselves about global events and human rights issues. This isn't about them being idols; it's about basic human rights.Fans just don't want to admit that their idols don't care about people being killed as long as their career is going smooth.I'm not even asking them to openly protest or say anything. I just wish they wouldn't publicly show off the boycott items as idols are practically influencers

[@zk7747]

​@@vangyulWhat's happening in Palestine isn't new. It has been ongoing for years-decades, even. Every Ramadan, they are blatantly beaten as they pray. Why are people only beginning to notice now? It's due to boycotts and protests, which have indeed made an impact.

[@zk7747]

@@vangyul Protests are occurring, and funds are being donated. However, these donations must go through Israel before reaching Palestine, which is mission impossible tbh

[@avalithgow541]

Hey can we stop using the word “Zionist” as an insult? I’m a proud Zionist who supports the establishment of a Palestinian state and also condemns the Israeli government’s bombing of Palestine. Zionism is literally just believing in Jewish self determination in our indigenous homeland. It itself doesn’t have anything to do with colonization, genocide or oppression.

[@idolwhisper]

no, that's quite different i think.. but good on you! just to correct you, Palestine ALREADY exists, there's no need for "establishement". Hope this helps you out in the future!

[@avalithgow541]

@@idolwhisper nope that’s literally ALL Zionism is. The only point I left out is that Zionism also categorizes Jews as a nation and a people rather than a religion or ethnicity. You can support Israel’s right to exist and Palestine at the same time!

[@balgowa132]

@@avalithgow541why r we supposed to support Israel’s existence in our land while we r getting kicked out of our own home? Excuse my poor grammar

[@avalithgow541]

@@balgowa132 because it’s not like Jews kicked Palestinians out of their homeland. The original deal was to divide the British, previously ottoman, territory into both an Arab state and a Jewish state, in which Palestinians not only would get 70% of the regions land, but also would receive majority of the natural resources, a treaty which Palestinians rejected. If Israel isn’t allowed to exist, neither should Pakistan, or Belgium, or Hong Kong. Why are we the only people who are not allowed to have a place in our native homeland? We tried to adapt to nations we migrated to after the exile, but we were never considered citizens of those regions and have faced persecution from every single one. Not to mention, while living in these regions all they would ever say was “go back to judea.” Now that we did, all of a sudden it’s “colonialism.”🤔 That is to say, of course I support Palestinian right to self determination, you are just as indigenous to that region as we are, and certain practices by the Israeli government, such as promoting orthodox settlers in the West Bank and the withholding of aide from Gaza should be rightfully condemned and punished. This isn’t an “us vs. them” situation, both groups have faced extreme trauma and pain, and both groups have chosen to commit horrible atrocities against innocent people. Instead of condemning the entire country, condemn the people in power, just as I condemn Hamas’ atrocities and don’t blame Palestinian people as a whole.

[@Sanatizer_1009]

Zionist and jewish are two different words

[@noventanine]

IM SORRY BUT YUNJIN DESERVED IT, SHE IS CHRONICALLY ONLINE AND OFC SHE KNEW ABT THE BOYCOTT BUT DECIDED TO BE QUIRKY, I LOST ALL MY RESPECT FOR HER

[@Hanni.-.bee.]

Most people are online but still don't know about the boycott I'm online 24\7 and I got to know about the boycott only a month

[@Hanni.-.bee.]

*a month ago

[@soft4taeng]

Even if she knew about the boycott it is absolutely unjustifiable to send somebody death threats over a drink, especially because this is doing nothing to help palestine at all and if kpop stans cared so much about the boycott then they would have the same energy towards every idol caught with starbucks/mcdonald’s but they stay silent when their faves are involved…

[@emmar5684]

'chronically online' is a weird thing to say about someone who comments about how she's a terrible person for drinking starbucks...do you know yunjin personally? maybe use your energy to help palestine instead of claiming false truths over someone you don't know.

[@minachuu]

ummm so tell me one thing....... have you researched whether starbucks fund israel or not or just randomly hopped on the hate train?... cuz starbuck officialy doesn't fund israel.....the owner supports israel but alas, he isn't the owner anymore nor is starucks in the boycott list

[@FabricFather]

Feel free to add “support” and “strained” when referring to vocals 🫢

[@Sanatizer_1009]

Why do these matter aslong the idols sings well idrc