Working for LuLaRoe with Roberta Blevins | Navigating Narcissism with Dr. Ramani

[@kj1013aolcom]

"The emperor's wearing leggings." 🤣

[@mirjamenny]

"It's hard to see red flags when you're wearing rose coloured glasses" - Roberta Blevins. I wrote this down because this has been my blind spot for decades.

[@marlyseg.]

MLMs are outlaw in Switzerland since almost half a century! Great podcast ❣️🙏🙏

[@lovearttherapyalways]

Many of us suffered from narcissistic abuse in childhood only to go on and suffer more with a narcissistic partner, narcissistic friends and narcissistic abuse at work. It is discouraging and exhuausting!

[@frannypalmer2726]

Seems to be getting worse. Or maybe I am getting older and just more sensitive to it and recognize it faster. Especially in regards to self appointed "spiritual" leaders and some of their flock. Family members can be bad as well.

[@kro0018]

Yes

[@bereal6590]

Being taught to be subservient, questioning yourself, in constant self doubt and not valuing ourselves enough. It is a set up from family wounds. Parents who do that aren't worthy of the title part imo ✌

[@vc7770]

I got sucked into this in Amway for 5 years! Awful and abusive and MLMs should be illegal and the owners prosecuted!!!

[@laine80]

Such a great discussion! I was married to a narcissist for 9 years, then joined LuLaRoe as an isolated single mom trying to make more money and friends. Unfortunately I lost thousands. I have since often thought that the way narcissists, MLM’s, and cults recruit and abuse are very similar. Thank you both so much for what you do.

[@Mistinguette287]

Totally, victims of narcissist abuse are perfect match for mlms especially when you just leave a narc… And you don’t see or overlook the red flags 🚩 because you don’t see any danger… After all it’s just a Business… It’s nothing like a business! It’s a cult, a « legal » scheme 😢 Hopefully not for so long thanks to all the work of anti mlm community and public figures like Robert Fitz Patrick (that man is gold ❤)

[@jeanie5074]

Amen. P.S. how/when did you get away from/out of your toxic husband?

[@jeanie5074]

P.S., on the same note, this reminds me of the political in DC, or, the Royal “Firm,” or any cultish pyramid system that is, or becomes harmful, toxic, and corrupt. The main ingredients are: control, manipulation, greed, power.

[@Portia620]

I always seen them as similar to working retail…loss of income and waste of time! I can see the appeal for an abused person but most don’t have that type of money from financial abuse already! 5,000 is a big red flag to me! This is not an investment!!! it’s not your company. It’s a waste of money in my opinion that’s how I’ve seen all this thing before my marriage to narcissist. I had checked him out too confusing and I’m like no thank you.

[@KellenAdair]

That's exactly how cults work. I've done some digging on the trumb "cult". True man boys!

[@tijeraslack3]

I did Amway for a bit and saw the game. I left after a few months and it’s very cult structured. After you decide you don’t want to be involved, they cut you off immediately. And they want you to sacrifice it all for these meetings, even if it’s late at night and you have other obligations the following day. You also spend a lot of money as well.

[@jeanie5074]

Definitely not worth it.

[@KellenAdair]

I'd bet money that Beasty Devos helped with the Cult's website design, as did Rev. Moon's son. Who was definitely involved with the Trump "cult".

[@carolashlee8002]

Interesting podcast. I myself got involved in selling for a few multi level marketing companies and did well. However, the last one scared me off. It felt very religious and cultish, with meetings being held in a massive hall and it was like a sermon being held. I stayed clear of this type of selling, but have been approached many many times to sell for other organisations. You think someone is reaching out to be a friend and all they want is to recruit you. Insurance companies are very similar.

[@beathinks]

This is the crossover I’ve been waiting for!!! There is so much overlap between the two… especially with the religious fundamentalism feeding into narcissists.

[@AshaGlenn]

Absolutely!!

[@Portia620]

Very perverse this Marc stuff and in so many arenas!!! She is kicking hind butt with this podcast!!! I honestly didn’t care for all the Psychology language she was using now that she puts it in a real contact so I think it makes it easier for people to see it because it’s so hard to see with covert narcissist. It’s so important to put it in laymen’s terms!!!!❤❤❤

[@lilrodz]

Your takeaway at the end Dr. Ramani truely shows how deeply engraved narcissism is in society. And it points to the percentages of narcissism being completely inaccurate. This was such a great discussion, thank you! 💜

[@Jess-kn8vl]

When I had facebook, sometimes I would get random friend requests from former coworkers or acquaintances. I would think oh they want to connect! Then it starts, they want me to buy or join from their MLM thing they joined. One of them posted a selfie almost daily with a different shade of pink lipstick and the same cheesy smile 😁

[@MaryYaeger-xz9gj]

Oh, yes! I see how this is narcissistic, and it is so ingenuous and it is the cycle of narcissistic abuse! It is a front, a false facade! We crave to belong, to be included, to be cared for, to become successful! What is the definition of faith, love, and peace!. Aha! I don’t wish anyone else to be Love bombed, to be gaslighted, nor to be pulled into any type of insidious relationship nor system! God bless you! Thank you!

[@carolinecarlson4307]

A friend of mine tried to make money for her cancer treatments selling lularoe. What was heart breaking was seeing her up line conspire to get better and newer products that were easier to sell. They made money off of her and she was struggling to get money to pay for chemo. Several times when new products came out they got access and she got nothing. She didn't need that stress in the last year of her life. I've been donating my purchases because seeing them in my drawers and closet makes me both sad and angry.

[@bereal6590]

That's awful, so sorry for your friend✌

[@gigiarmany]

horrible😒

[@kro0018]

😢

[@AshaGlenn]

I went straight from being raised by a narcissistic parent into a narcissistic organization (religious cult). And realizing that love bombing happened to me at an organization's level was wild.

[@Lucifersfursona]

I’m so sorry, I hope you’re safe now and doing better

[@anainmazatlan]

My two favorite topics to study...narcissism and MLM! And all in one video, wow! Thanks Dr. Rami 🙏. I also like your new look and studio. 😊

[@AshaGlenn]

This is amazing. The connection between narcissism and MLMs definitely needs to be discussed. Thank you.

[@Doesitreallymstter]

Such a racket... My parents lost friends of 30 years over a different mlm scam. The friend became relentless with this mlm nonsense

[@jellybean-ky1ip]

To me MLM is friends using friends. Influencers on you tube get you sucked in to buy whatever they are unboxing. OHHH Ahhh what a great deal. Then they hook you even greater if you leave a comment and they reply. I fell for a few of them before realizing they get the better boxes or free boxes depending on how many views. These people are strangers not friends.

[@Ilene-forward]

I’m so glad you’re covering this!

[@angelaa8285]

Im loving all these interviews 😊

[@luckyandblessed]

De. Ramani got a makeover. Very good.

[@Humphreedee]

This essentially illustrates the ways in which extreme capitalism is really just pure, uncut narcissism.

[@chiarayavhnoska966]

This. Louder. Neoliberale brought back cultural narcissism in the form of fascism. Nobody understands what Keynes did to the western world when he went : hey, let's have the wealthy pay taxes and finally have them contribute to society. It's freaking important

[@KellenAdair]

I agree.

[@Lucifersfursona]

This one

[@Dreareoxo]

This really helped me make the connection as to why I love learning about both narcissism and am so anti mlm

[@mamaw9634]

I felt like such a failure in MLM- I could never buy into auto ship - because fiscal responsibility! Then, am I not worthy of success? What is my belief system? It is not to disparage products- because I loved them. However, the hype- trying to get the new product.. I did this one too many times.. my sales didn’t get better- but I did! And this conversation, confirms it.. Well, that and the feeling I was making friends for what I wanted them to do, for me.. thank you Dr Ramani

[@BrendaBaBoom]

Great podcast. Roberta’s pic bears a striking resemblance with actress Tatum O’Neal, especially the smile. 😁

[@sweetielady7710]

I was looking through the comments to see if anyone else noticed that as well. Definitely looks like Tatum! She has a similar sounding voice, too.

[@LindaGillespie-v4j]

You Roberta were a survivor and as I listing to you ,you are now a thriver. Thank you.

[@livkind3522]

Wow the scarcity. You’re in a desert and you’ll take any drop of water you can. Creates such mental craze.

[@georgias.8352]

I love your comment.

[@Jenlovescoasters]

Super funny, my cousin sold lularoe, and when she first started, I was like sure I will come to your party. All of the leggings were hideous. I was like, don't you just have black? She had black. I bought them. I still have them now. I just don't wear them because the other weird pair i bought ripped up the but the same day.

[@estellacamacho9226]

I too grew up in the MLM world. My mom did Axon, Herberlife, Tupperware, Shaklee, & Melaluca. My mom knew how to talk people into buying. Back in 2015 I was in It Works selling skinny wraps. I'm not really use to selling. I hated having to constantly bug my friends & family to buy products. I got tired of it & quit & got a real job like a normal person. I rather work at a real job than to join an MLM. I did like the skinny wraps though.

[@johnnylesliewilson1493]

Love Roberta and her story!!

[@livkind3522]

🎉🎉🎉 loving this channel ♥️♥️♥️you have helped me so so much through the devastating crumbling of my marriage and understanding what I was dealing with. 👍

[@melkal7818]

Your show is so awesome and educational. Thank you :)

[@dragonclaws9367]

My ex fiancée paints cars. We parted amicably when the narcissist blew up my life. Fun fact: The pink car has its own paint code for the Lincoln. (Mary Kay bubble gum.) The narcissist can disappear for an entire month sometimes. Remember to ask yourself where the hell they were when you rush to the phone shaking. I never questioned him yet had my phone tracked. There never was a golden period. I was giving from the beginning. Sixteen years later the only person who didn't gain anything is me.

[@007nadineL]

Coach Paula grooms Changed my life for the better

[@kungfupanda1705]

I ❤ this channel so much. Thank you for all of this work.

[@gerger5670]

Stampin UP! Gotta keep recruiting! Utah based also! So much fun, friends, $$$ spent wow!😮

[@janispillow4256]

You guys are seriously raining on my Rodan and Fields parade. 😂 I really love their products, though!

[@MadScientist-R.N.]

Excellent presentation. Thx very much. 💜

[@alid3424]

She's lovely and so engaging. Great interview❣️

[@have_faith_]

This was sooo interesting! 💛

[@Summerhaven97]

Listening to all these interviews has opened my eyes to so much of my belief system that is completely wrong. It’s unsettling but exciting

[@theresamark8220]

"The super, fancy watch club." 😂😂😂😂 That was great and it's so true! It IS like the Skeeball arcade. Spend $100 for a 25 cent, fancy, bouncy superball. It's laughable!

[@karendeann72]

Such great information!

[@Portia620]

Like chasing the Narracist!! It’s the game! I’m the guy!!!🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂🤣. Chasing the dopamine!

[@Abigail43732]

PERFECTION MY FAVORITE DOC AND FAVORITE EX-LULAROR. IM ALSO OBSESSED WITH MLMS. LOL. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Stephanie-ni6zc]

Best collab ever!

[@creationslandscapedesigns]

I love your last name purely because the first four letters are my first name hahaha I had a friend once that was in LuLaRoe and I recall she had created a Facebook group that she had added me to along other chicks. Often she would go live with products as a way of selling. I never bought from her but I had watched some her live vids and thought how much must she have spent on product front loading. She no longer does it thankfully.

[@lebogangshovhote473]

Been there, done that. I am greatful that I am no longer into MLM's

[@confidential5897]

Fantastic crossover! I've been fascinated with LulaRoe and narcissists after watching Sister Wives. It would be fantastic to see Dr. R. analyze SW. Kody is a case study in the devolution of narcissist.

[@kathleenmensinger3897]

Interesting they called it a family tree.

[@NationandState]

This is amazing.

[@AAXS-op1vo]

Ugh! My ex narc spouse got hooked into the “It Works” thing. He was so mad that I would not support his efforts. I didn’t because it felt really SCAMMY!

[@cherylnathanodette]

If someone thinks that a victim forgets, think again you srop stop caring what they have, what they do. They are pitiful people who need to get on with their own life and leave others alone. They are clearly very ill and need help if they get joy from hurting others. If their own life blew up because they cheated they need to get a grip and make their own life better.

[@janshan100]

Who is the big narc at the top of the MLM?

[@KellenAdair]

The 1 still tearing out country apart.

[@soniarose1983]

Seriously who would wear those goofy pants, even if they are buttery. The thing is, if anyone lures you in with the promise of freedom and money, and then immediately requires money and your time, then it's bull***t. The actions don't match the reality immediately!! It takes so much time to even make a sale and only the big man gets rich. That's so obvious right from the start, steer clear!

[@dvawva5197]

The "illusion" doesn't match the reality...🤔. So brainwashy. 😕

[@lilafeldman8630]

Anyone have experience with CUTCO?

[@dragonclaws9367]

I came across one of their fakey ads and in desperation booked a meeting then did research and I didn't keep the appointment. I had to block these people they would not hear the word no.They kept harassing me. I solved that. Print ads are completely deceptive in their descriptions of what your job actually will be.

[@lilafeldman8630]

@@dragonclaws9367 yeah, deceptive print ads were the thing back in 2006, when Internet was only just becoming widespread. That's how I found CUTCO. As a high school grad looking for summer work. They didn't harass me, but definitely vague in their advertising. I didn't know what Vector Marketing marketed.

[@lmusima3275]

LuLa Roe had cheap looking clothes. Bad business. Poor quality goods. Big promises

[@lilafeldman8630]

@@lmusima3275 yeah. I wanted to buy some LuLaRoe clothes, but realized that you had to attend a party and that's when I realized how clique it was.

[@dvawva5197]

That "I could be doing more" feeling is a soul issue not an accomplishment issue. Your Dad's death left a hole in your life and we as humans want to fill it quickly, quickly, quickly. Healing takes time ☹️

[@koobea4859]

That picture doesn't look like Roberta Blevins! Is that really her,?

[@daCubanaqt]

It’s obviously a promotional picture.

[@stephanim2436]

She lost a lot of weight

[@Portia620]

But wait, don’t we do this on social media to each other you’re beautiful you’re cute you look great!! that’s love bombing isn’t it? Don’t we all do that for friends and I considered positivity??? Help I’m. Confused now! Here we go again more confusion.

[@Lucifersfursona]

Me: so yeah the pathological liar that targeted me is my first experience with that kind of abuse The psych analyst: oh buddy do I have some bad news for you about you as a baby Dr. Ramani: you’re drawn to that chaos because it feels like love Me: _chuckles_ *_i ‘ m i n d a n g e r_* “You’re just burning my money” is something I heard A Lot it’s wild to hear in a corporate cult context

[@Lucifersfursona]

“You would show up underneath me in our family tree” Why are mormons so allergic to subtext Dianne why did you call it a _Family Tree_

[@Lucifersfursona]

*the sunk cost fallacy also exists outside of money

[@01denese]

You couldn't make a lot of money on sales alone if it's so hard to get online and order the product. The money had to come from getting others to join.

[@user-ku5vm5jb1h]

I don’t like lularoe leggings. They tear badly.

[@ebm8922]

Is it just me or Dr. Ramani changes her voice tone when she speaks to rich/famous people. Like her words sounds are intentionally elongated to sound cool or vocal fry. Idk.

[@lisalim453]

I feel like everyone’s a little bit of a narcissist. None of us is perfect and if you’re going around accusing everyone of being a narcissist and not admitting to your own flaws/faults, then that’s also a little narcissistic. I’m not talking about Roberta, Roberta is great. But Dr. Ramani thinking her doctorate degree means she’s better than everyone else and has the qualification to judge after one interview the whole situation. Lularoe was a pyramid scheme. There’s no such thing as a narcissistic institution.

[@robynellison3790]

Red flag: jada pinkett smith

[@jujubees5855]

Thumbs down for dirty deleting valid points from viewers.

[@lisalim453]

No wonder everything’s so positive

[@007nadineL]

. *GOOGLE: PINK DIVORCES* .

[@annwarneka868]

🎉yes.

[@Zorobbabel]

It shows the artist Pink's divorces.