WORKING or SHOW Line Dog? | Belgian Shepherd Tervuren | Things to Know

[@Rocadog]

Thanks for this informative video!

[@ivanka3885]

Tak určitě : DDDDD Raneček je nejlepší 😘❤ ale se vším souhlasím☝🤣skvělé video moji drazí 🔝

[@Huskyandwolfdog]

Future owners will get a lot of answers from this video! Great and very interesting!🐶🐾🐺 Fáelán is a mix between the show and working line😁

[@ranchothedog]

that's interesting, I didn't know :) Thanks so much for watching 💛 Hugs and kisses to the fluffsters. ;)

[@Mj_germishuys]

Thank you for this informative and very interesting video. Our first and older Tervuren is the more timid, less active, soft natured dog whereas the second working line dog is more confident, very energic and goofy. Alot easier to train. And as you said, the older show line dog has epilepsy. So basicly we can confirm everything you described in this video 😊

[@iranickid]

did ur working line belgian Tervuren had a short coat like in this vid?

[@sandracoombs2255]

Very interesting and informative. Thank you. Blessings to you both and Rancho for 2021. 😊

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks a lot Sandra 💛💛💛

[@infernate2179]

Oh my gosh, the world is tiny: I have wanted a dog, but never could settle just on one breed. Then I found your channel and absolutely fell in love with Rancho! I decided I need a Tervuren in my life and began searching for a breeder. And without knowing you came across Beata Deabei I on my own found her kennel and contacted her. Svet je vskutku malý :D

[@CrystalsPetsLife]

A lot of great information. Thank you so much for such a great video.

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks so much Crystal 💕

[@ashm2357]

Thank you. I enjoyed this video a lot. It’s hard to talk to a working tervueren breeder in Australia because there are none 😂 so it was great to hear this information.

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks fo sharing 💛 Hehe, I'm sure it's going to change soon. They're gaining in popularity thanks to breeders like Beata :)

[@RockerRoxy]

So much knowledge 😀😀😀😀😀 awesome way to share all this information ❤❤❤❤❤ full watch including ads as always 👍👍👍👍👍

[@ranchothedog]

You are the best Adele 💕

[@buflaux]

Awesome information in this video. Thank you very much.

[@Lucythegermanshepherd]

I love these informative videos> Great job Petra

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks so much Zac 💕!

[@boruta.martasznajder559]

Very interesting and needed interview! Thanks!! :) Greetings for you and your lovely Rancho :)

[@ranchothedog]

Glad you enjoyed it! 💛

[@MsLaikaTheHusky]

Very cool and interesting video guys ! Learned a lot about the breed and the difference between working and show line of Belgian Shepherd. Always a pleasure to watch 😊

[@ranchothedog]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@RuffnItOutdoors]

What a great great video! So much great information and stuff I never knew. I really had no idea of such a complex look at this breed with show and working lines. Well done

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks a lot Josh 💛 I myself learned a lot from the interview.

[@TCJACJ2000]

I love this video. I have experience dealing with show and working line breeds. I believe the dog should keep type standards but also be able to do the work it was bred to do

[@elenavivi2662]

What a fantastic video! Comprehensive, informative and interesting. Rancho is high class, impeccable breed. I really enjoyed this. I learned so much. 👍🐾🐕💕

[@ranchothedog]

Thank you very much! I really appreciate it 💕💕💕

[@RuffnItOutdoors]

O yeah loved all the photos you used

[@ranchothedog]

Thank you 💛. It was a lot of work, but totally worth it :)

[@adrianos7334]

I realise that most people don't see the difference between the Tervuren and the German Shepherd, they look so much alike. Extremely beautiful dogs. Love the Groenendael and Malinois too.

[@ranchothedog]

Yeah 💗

[@Lucinka58]

they really don't look alike...

[@jillmissal5429]

@@Lucinka58 Right? They seriously look NOTHING alike! Come on, people

[@jpaleblue]

Great information. Thank you.

[@ranchothedog]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ferlitzmorales4314]

Very nice and good. i like this dog both of us Stay and always connected my friend keep going again

[@ranchothedog]

Many many thanks

[@MahalKoohsAdventure]

Very well discussed info same breed dog but many differences this is soo very interesting Rancho is such a smart and adorable dog you're lucky to have him Happy New Year my friend

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks so much my friend 💛 Happy New Year to you too 💛

[@lesleywolf2497]

Great vid Thankyou. I now understand better my 'Mal- Adjusted Terv'...😅

[@xandersadventures7527]

Well done! Interesting topic. I bred and showed Great Danes for many years so I appreciate what you covered here. I'm sure this vid will be really useful to people interested in learning more about Tervs. 👍 ~ Kristine

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks for sharing, Kristine! 💛 Can I ask why you stopped breeding Great Danes?

[@xandersadventures7527]

@@ranchothedog The short answer is that it was time for change. I kept Danes for 35 years; I showed and bred them for 12 of those years. I have 9 Dane angels in the beyond. 💔😢 As you can imagine, Danes are a physically demanding breed. I understood as I got older it would be wise to downsize to a breed which is physically more easily managed. I admired Greyhounds for a long time so when my last Dane passed, well, Xander adopted me. 😍 He had big pawprints to fill and he has not disappointed! I always admired Tervs when I saw them at shows and I met some over the years at handling classes I attended. Beautiful breed!

[@ranchothedog]

@@xandersadventures7527 I completely understand why you decided to downsize. There are situations when I need to lift Rancho up and those are the times I wish I had a female...hehe. With a Great Dane, I wouldn't be able to do that at all. I know a lady who has 5 Danes, they eat 250 kilos of meat a month. Incredible. Anyway, Xander is so lucky to have found you 💛

[@xandersadventures7527]

@@ranchothedog Awe, thank you. 🤗 I feel like I'm the lucky one that he adopted me! 😍 The most Danes I had at one time was 5. They ranged in age from 13 to a young pup. They kept me busy! Mine were kibble fed but I knew a lot of people who fed raw. That's a LOT of meat! One friend raised rabbits just for her Danes.

[@TheName7293]

Your channel is so awesome :) I love how informative & serious these videos are but at the same time I always feel relaxed and want to drink hot tea, snuggled in a blanket :D btw you used so many photos in this vid! If you ever need some photos of a gris tervueren (showline) or a malinois (working line, but beautiful) let me know. I took few that look pro and I'd be honored to have them featured in your video.

[@ranchothedog]

Thank you so much for sharing that! 💛 We appreciate it. And thanks for the offer, I might take you up on that :) you can send some of them to [e-mail] so that I have your email address and can contact you further. Thanks a lot. 💛

[@TheName7293]

@@ranchothedog sure, I'll pick the best and send you an email :)

[@nigelm5777]

Very interesting and detailed. Our sisters are showline as you know so we’re not familiar with the working lines. We’re still watching Abbie develop and sometimes it’s hard to believe they’re sisters... and sometimes it’s easy to see 😜😜.

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks :) hehe, I'm kind of jealous of you guys. I so want a puppyyyyyy. 😜

[@SmudgetheBeagle]

That was very interesting, thanks Rancho! 🙂

[@ranchothedog]

Glad you enjoyed it! 💛

[@coleenfarquharson3009]

Happy New year friend👍

[@ranchothedog]

Happy new year, Coleen 💛

[@PopleBackyardFarm]

Rancho really is gorgeous

[@ranchothedog]

Thanks so much 💛

[@alysewilliams3344]

Wow! Those working tervs are gorgeous! ( no offense to the show lines)

[@ranchothedog]

They are 😊

[@elenadelawder6913]

"Happy New Year Rancho"🎇🎆🎊

[@ranchothedog]

Same to you, Elena 💛!

[@23KCOutdoors]

Happy new year

[@ranchothedog]

Happy new year 💛

[@KaroLina-dq4uo]

Natürlich kann auch ein Show Tervueren arbeiten. Egal ob im Hundesport, als Assistenz - oder Rettungshund. Das hängt sehr vom Halter ab. Mein Terv wurde von mir viele Jahre im Hundesport (IPO) geführt. Und parallel dazu hat er sich auf Ausstellungen großartig gezeigt. Beides machte ihm Spaß und wir vermissen es schon. Aber jetzt wird er 11 und wir machen kleine Übungen für seine Gesundheit 😄

[@federicofranceszarco9002]

Fantástica raza,la conozco bien,la he criado durante 15 años en España ."EL LEON DORADO"Federico Francés Zarco.Un saludo afectuoso desde Valencia, España.

[@ranchothedog]

So cool :))) Saludos 😀

[@spiritunmoored3310]

Can you make a video about show and working line malinios?

it´s very similar

[@kevinohara3476]

@ thanks for putting this out and thanks for the Foo and my brief time with Chianti. Both amazing dogs from you

[@ak.8435]

I can understand all the reasons why the working line's appearance would be less attractive and "balanced" than the showline because the top priority in working lines is on function over looks, however what I see is the exact opposite ... working line dogs tend to look much better... more well balanced and prettier in both shape and motion. That's often the case for many breeds that have both showlines and working lines (like border collies, kelpies, spaniels, retrievers, German Shepherds etc). Looks are a matter of taste of course, but I've heard many people say they wish they could handle a working line dog because they like the look better, but working line dogs are not a good fit for their lifestyle, so they go with showlines despite not finding the exaggerated looks (or impractical coat), or general health, as attractive. I reckon there is a market for showline dogs with working line dog looks... although it would require a change in breed standards and canine beauty perceptions amongst showline breeders, if it was to take place within existing national kennel clubs and breed clubs

[@ak.8435]

and neither showline nor working line breeders would like it, if I think about it ... because it would potentially cause more confusion and misunderstandings when the two categories can not be easily told apart by looks

[@Lucinka58]

@@ak.8435 they SHOULD NOT be told apart by looks! One breed should look the same, this show line working line looks difference is highly ridiculous and annoying ..... it's like making two different breeds of dog. WHY?!?!?!?! NOT RIGHT AT ALL! (and I mean that for all breeds that got ruined this way with splitting the "lines")

[@Lucinka58]

@@ak.8435 they SHOULD NOT be told apart by looks! One breed should look the same, this show line working line looks difference is highly ridiculous and annoying ..... it's like making two different breeds of dog. WHY?!?!?!?! NOT RIGHT AT ALL! (and I mean that for all breeds that got ruined this way with splitting the "lines")

[@henryfransiscus-wy7tt]

Hi Rancho I want to ask one more question. Why do I have a Belgian shepherd dog? Every time I take him for a walk in the morning, my dog ​​always wants to go for a long walk (I use a leash every time I take him for a walk). I'm telling the truth, twice now my dog ​​has gotten loose when I took him for a walk around the residential street where we live, it's good that twice my dog ​​has come back to me. Why does my dog ​​behave like that? (I usually take my dog ​​for a walk around the street of the housing complex where we live at 5 in the morning). (This Belgian sheepdog groenendael dog belongs to me, every time I want to go to a small shop, or I go to Alfamart, Indomart to buy a drink/food, My dog ​​is always screaming/crying.

[@carrierafferty6288]

Ur channel has helped me a lot. But I’m still not sure what line to go for, I’ve never owned a belgian shepherd before. I’ve owned Australian shepherds and a few other breeds. I’m moving to Canada soon and have horses with some land so they will get plenty of exercise and attention. I have plenty of jobs that they can do around the yard with the horses but I’m still not sure which line would be best for me?

[@ranchothedog]

I get it. I myself still don't know which one to go for in the future. I think probably a mix between both lines, just because of more diverse genetics. I hope you'll be able to make the best decision. But from what you said I think even a working line would be happy living such a life.

[@bradhirigoyen3039]

Rancho is a very handsome Belgian shepherd

[@ranchothedog]

thanks 💛

[@henryfransiscus-wy7tt]

Hi rancho the dog. I'm Fransiscus Henry,I'm from Indonesia. I have a female Belgian sheepdog groenendael full black in my home. But I don't know how to distinguish the characteristics or differences between Belgian Sheepdog Groenendael showline and workingline dogs? What is the difference between showline groenendael and working line groenendael? Could you make a video to show me how to knows the differences? Thanks rancho

[@AprilPearls]

How can I choose between Tervuren and a German shepherd?

[@shantlerpamposa4265]

In height is showline taller than workingline?

[@emilyjolly793]

WOW this is so helpful!!! Would this all apply to Groenendael as well?

[@emilyjolly793]

Also can showlines be good in sports? I'm most interested in agility and potentially dock diving

[@ranchothedog]

Absolutely! Since they're basically one breed and often are bred together. There's not a lot of working-line Groenies, but for instance that kennel whose pics I used in the video ( Sense of Insanity) has some black ones as well. You can find them on FB.

[@ranchothedog]

They can be, and they often are. But it all depends on what your ambitions are. If you want to increase your chances of becoming the best, a working line is definitely a better choice, since their bodies are not that compact and as Beata said, their jumps are better; and on the whole they're more athletic. You can get some super athletic show lines too, for instance, Rancho is still yet to meet a dog that would be faster than him. But his body isn't the ideal of a show line dog, and that's probably the reason why. So there are a lot of factors that come into play. But still, if Rancho stood next to a working-line super dog, he'd probably lose, hehe.

[@timz7815]

My breeder stated they are one and the same. My Terv was from conformation lines, and he excelled at herding, agility, frisbee.

[@DGKdabigondarkpaws]

Yeah he's supposed to because a good welbred dog should still excel in they're purpose/ what the breed is bred for

[@adakozda1200]

Excellent work! Thank you very much. I’m intrigued with the information that self confident dogs may attack male men. That’s what I noticed with my Kara. I got her when she was 6 months and I thought she was German shepherd dog mix, but apparently she must be working line Belgian Tervuren. She has a tendency to bark on some men and she seems to be stressed then too. I thought that maybe she’s had some bad experiences with men. I wonder where did you find this information? Where can I read more about that? Thanks a lot

[@Lucinka58]

I think she meant mail men not male men ;) Mail men as postman (or woman - makes no difference, or any delivery person), some one who is intruding his teritory by coming to his house over and over ;)

[@adakozda1200]

@@Lucinka58 Thanks lol. BTW Kara is better now :)

[@Lucinka58]

@@adakozda1200 glad to hear she's better :) My little 3.5 month old Terv is worried by some men, and had never had a bad experience (though he's just a baby so it is a normal fear period... which is btw normal with a 6 month old too)... I think men in general are more threatening than women, they got deeper voice and also their posture and body language can make some dogs worried. Desensitization and counter conditioning often works wonders :) And loads of yummy treats from men towards the dog :D

[@iranickid]

i rlly hope u reply, why does the working line belgian Tervuren have a short coat in this vid, in general working line belgian Tervuren should have a long coat but why do the belgian Tervuren working line have a short coat, i really hope u reply

[@ranchothedog]

Working line tervs have a long coat. It’s shorter than what is usual in show lines, but still much longer than a Malinois’ coat. It’s completely normal. The show line was selectively bred for such a long coat.

[@iranickid]

@@ranchothedog yes but in this vid they have rlly short coats, the working line tervs coat length in this vid is similar to malinois coat length

[@mackenziekoeppen9029]

Could you explain their coat colors to me?

[@unclebrokendownbeamer9645]

Rancho is of a Royal line... He shouldn't have to lift a paw for anything 😊😍😊😍

[@ranchothedog]

exactly 😜 My hoomans should read this too. hehe

[@Yupppi]

Still struggling with drawing a conclusion after this. It feels like I value all the traits of the working line except the endless drive for activity and necessity to get into dog sports to keep you and the dog sane. I'd love a confident one with good responsiveness to training, as I myself might sink into repetitive skill training without noticing, but I also give myself a benefit of doubt in how much of the day I want to dedicate to exhausting the dog and I understand showline would be more forgiving in that sense. Of course they are individuals and there probably exists a combination, but in general it feels like I value the working line more, but the show line would be more reasonable. I wouldn't be interested in dog sports (unless...) and I don't have too much social life, but I'd also enjoy confident and healthy company. As I was thinking of husky in the past because I love their personality, but decided that husky was too complicated for my situation. Using the car analogy, I'd hate a shopping bag, but I wouldn't be racing - I'd love to enjoy driving a solid car that lets me go at it every now and then and that would respond well to pushing and challenging it and myself.

[@Chibbipanduhhhhhhh]

Get a lower driven one.

[@Chibbipanduhhhhhhh]

A sport or show line or a mix of the both can be good. But they are driven.

[@cathygriffith746]

SWAMP HUGS FROM LOUISIANA.

[@ranchothedog]

hugs to you too, Cathy 💛

[@georgeluna1929]

Hola soy de México y ustedes

[@ranchothedog]

de la republica checa ;)

[@FREAKOUT123ism]

😀👍 hi rancho and mom and dad

[@ranchothedog]

Hi Anna 💛

[@morgterv]

Having bred, trained and shown Belgian Tervuren for 41 years, I hope people disregard much of the misinformation presented in this video. Any dog not bred to the standard of the breed, who diviates from the breed standard significantly is not a good representative of the breed. Belgian Tervuren are extremely versatile dogs, and those bred to the standard can also earn working titles in any dog sport. Dogs from "working lines" are no healthier than dogs from show lines. Breeders who select for adherence to the breed standard are indeed also selecting for proper temperment and health. Breeders who only select for drive and OCD type personality are not breeding quality Belgian Tervuren.

[@ranchothedog]

While I respect your opinion and all the time and work you dedicated to the breed, I have to disagree here. We all know that the original Tervuren didn’t look the way they do now. Those dogs were much more similar to today’s working lines. The head wasn’t as narrow, the snout wasn’t as long and pointy, their stance wasn’t as elegant and their fur wasn’t so long. Breeders have been selectively breeding for these features because they look more ‘elegant’ and ‘graceful’. It’s very well visible if you stand a Mal (even a show line) next to a Terv. These breeds started off with the same head and body shape. The standard is something people can interpret in their own, subjective ways - and it can also be modified. Lately it seems like dogs that look like rough collies are becoming the norm. Unfortunately, many breeders these days only breed them for shows and as pet dogs, which I think is wrong. Only when you breed for work and sports do you put health first and I think it’s what needs to be done right now for the breed. Epilepsy, stomach cancer and issues with temperament are a huge problem and if we’re not willing to sacrifice a bit of that elegance and gracefulness for a greater genetic diversity, it’ll only get worse. If there’s only supposed to be one Tervuren type, I think it should be a working dog primarily. Sure, well-bred show lines can compete in sports, but it’s not only about sports. It’s about real life working dogs that do search and rescue or work for the police, like right now, some of Beata’s working line dogs do in Ukraine or Turkey and Syria. And unfortunately, the people who need true working dogs do not opt for show lines and they have their reasons. A well bred working line isn’t ocd. It’s a balanced dog with a high drive.

[@tihanyimiklos898]

Working line is longer hair malinois but not tervueren.

[@Masticc]

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[@CS-hd9xu]

There should be NO DIFFERENCE between a show dog and a work dog in the Belgian Community. All Belgians should be able to "DO IT ALL"!!! SOME Malinois people did this, and it went all the way to the point that they didn't have a double coat anymore!!! Can you imagine a Tervuren without a double coat? If you believe this video, you want to ruin the breed. My female Belgian Malinois's Father was a bomb detection/drug detection dog and won the BISS, so he had brains and beauty. This video is FALSE

[@barbaramair1846]

The attitude in this video is misleading. I have had dogs that go from the show class into the obedience ring and also do herding. I think that you are doing harm to what the Belgian Tervuren has been. Don’t change what is already great. This is not a breed for everyone. If you want a bit of fluff pick another breed. You really don’t know what the Belgians are!! Don’t separate show from working , there I no difference.

[@ranchothedog]

Hey. As I said, I don't have any experience with working line Tervs and that's why I reached our to someone who does and who also has plenty of experience with show lines. So I trust that Beata is able to compare the two quite well. You say 'Don't change what's already great', but what some Tervurens look like today is quite far from what they originally looked like. There clearly has been a lot of morphological changes. Their snouts are much longer and thinner, their fur is longer, angulation different. Also many of them are sick or very nervous. And it's because breeders have started focusing primarily on attractive, majestic looks. I actually believe that working lines may be closer to what Belgian Shepherds originally looked like. The fact that you have dogs that do well in the show ring and work at the same time is great. I think all 'show dogs' should work, since the Belgian Shepherd is a working breed. But unfortunately, many show ring judges prefer hyper-typical individuals over healthy, athletic dogs, which, over time, changes the breed into something that they were not supposed to be.

[@Lucinka58]

sadly she's not the one separating them, breeders do, and keep ruining what one breed was and splitting them to two "lines" basically almost creating two different breeds. And not just for Tervs... it is happening in all dog world, most breeds, gundogs, working dogs, etc got this going. It's so sad!! I agree a certain breed should look the same regardless of it's "purpose" A show should just show off the looks of a dog that can work too and they all should adhere to breed standards (which should never go to extremes but concentrate on healthy looks)

[@bushbabybotha9943]

Working line dogs look like the dogs that SHOULD be shown, they look better and are much nicer.