Why World of Tanks will never truly recover...

Sorry for the cheap kajzoo-ish title, but it's true...
HOW TO HELP ME FOR ONE OF THE NEXT VIDEOS:
We are rebalancing every tank in the game.
Not every tank should be on the same level as each other, but every tank should be at least playable, and at best, balanced. It's taking the game back to a much more even playing field than it currently is, while keeping the reasons you and me both play the tanks that we choose to. Please no suggestions that require changing tank models, such as "remove 59-Patton cupola." Even if it is a good idea, I likely will ignore it by default, as tanks weren't designed in real life to be like that.
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[@lncoming]

Funny how many people are mentioning War Thunder in the comments. Mostly because all of them are either- 1. Play War Thunder instead, it's better. 2. This is also a huge problem in War Thunder. I've never played it, nor do I plan to. I just find it humorous how polar-opposite the comments are about it.

[@playboycomun1st4]

Played both of the games, is pathetic to compare WoT to WT.

[@kousand9917]

@@playboycomun1st4 yeah, they are so different the only similarity is that they were both created around the same time, and are vehicle combat games, and that is about it.

[@kousand9917]

It honestly comes with every WoT video. But I think it is justified to mention WT in this situation because of competition. WT is a very large game and is continuing to grow. It offers more mechanics, vehicles, and ways to play while also being more realistic and less RNG. Doesn't make it a better game, but when people are deciding which game to play, it honestly looks like a lot more are choosing WT over WoT.

[@f.m.f962]

The first group are people who only think that realistic > arcade... but ironically, War Thunder has a decent amount of arcadey features that is more realistic in WoT.

[@morrischen5777]

It's because dying in WT is less punishable then in WoT. In WoT you dead and leave. In WT arcade mode, there's 3 time respawn for you to stay in a game. In realistic mode you can respawn as long as you contribute to the game and get spawn point for it. Also in WT, getting one-shot is an universal expirenance no matter if you're a noob or a vet.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The tech tree streamlining killed the low tier matchmaker overnight.

[@unknown_player9498]

from the most vibrant and interesting part of the game to the most boring and cancer

[@Wifenloof]

This , lower rank sometime filled with bot , give you no reason to try or learn anything, only tier 8 and above matter cause le premium tank

[@koschi201]

This and the fact that newbies can Just start at Tier 4-5

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@Wifenloof starting a new line is the worst experience ever, having to suffer through the low tiers

[@soldier22881]

@@Wifenloof bots are more fun and interesting than players, and despite not that amazing ai still play better than half of the entire player base of this game. bots are the only good addition ever added to this awful game

[@ayylmao5362]

i really don't get why WG keeps throwing out sponsorship money and registration codes if they're not gonna do anything to fix the flaming dumpster fire that the low-mid tiers have become also, it's pretty fucked up how they're giving away a tier VI to noobs for finishing the totally-useful-and-not-a-complete-waste-of-time "tutorial" just so they can serve as fodder for all the OP tier VIII premiums to farm 5k+ in a top tier game

[@literallyhuman5990]

That's what you got when the financing department comes to the main building

[@dragonltu8349]

because it keeps number go up and money go up only reason

[@soldier22881]

you just answered your own question, they need fodder for the pay to win tier 8 and what better way then to give them a boost? ofcourse if you platoon you immediately lose the nice and peaceful games. the best part about wot is the first battles without players, much fun and engaging.

[@TheGouliat]

WG is fishing and Milking. They are not interested in "saving" the game, they just getting every bit of Money off that Product as they can. Get People interested, push them towards a point they spend money. Some do, some leave. All the codes and these Influencers cost them a Fraction of what they earn with that strategy. All the Free to play games run on the assumption that only a small part of people will actually make them a massive amount of money while the largest part will give em nothing or a bit here and there. Roughly they aim for that 20% of players that stick around and invest. the rest is fodder to them. For example: Give people a T6, let them be low tier fodder for T8. That creates the urge to buy that T8. Premium Tanks are that expensive that only 1 of 10 people have to fall for this and it makes profit. This is Intentional.

[@soldier22881]

@@TheGouliat bingo some one gets it. thank you gouliat

[@antlerman7644]

Interesting, the powercreep is what personally drove me to quit. Fed up of live service games where you always have to buy the next best thing to be competitive.

[@unknown_player9498]

clash royale moment

[@Robert-vk7je]

My solution is, that I don't strive to be competitive. :) Honestly: I drive my Löwe since it was released and I still have good games to this day.

[@shadowzone2588]

Me who use to play the ferdi back when it was almost god tier.

[@soldier22881]

you mean PAY TO WIN right? type 59 and a whole bunch of overpowered real money tanks that get preferential match making on top of them implementing a casino match making

[@boydgrandy5769]

War Gaming WOT is not intended to provide entertainment, nor is it intended to provide training an experience in how to play the game. It is there to make money. Period. The decisions that the devs make, whether it be "rebalancing", loot boxes, premium perks, gold ammunitions, various equipment and crew module upgrades, or even the occasional freebees, are made to increase cash flow into the game. It's a business, and from the looks of it, a pretty cutthroat business at that. For the users, who are the product, this is a game, but to War Gaming, it is a cost-benefit concern. Having said that, WOT physics do not in any way emulate real large caliber gun ballistics or penetration, nor do they model actual material characteristics. Real AFVs that are hull penetrated are typically destroyed or mission killed. No Hp bank. Even non-penetration hits can kill or wound the crew, and wreck the insides of the AFV. Large caliber HE can and will destroy just about any tank. Having your tracks shot off in a combat situation is a mission kill, minimum, and the time to repair is measured in HOURS or days, not seconds. Nobody who actually fights in a tank at range targets the supposed weak spots on his target, he shoots the target he can see. First tank to hit will usually win, because the target tank crew had, at a minimum, their bells rung and they are temporarily incapacitated at best. Real world tank warfare is not emulated in WOT. War Thunder comes as close an any to the actual results of anti-tank gunnery, and one shot with penetration is a kill. If you want to learn what the Russians do when their tanks are hit, just look at the Ukraine war. If they survive the hit, they will almost invariably abandon the tank, because the next round or the next drone with a shaped charge warhead will kill them if they stay in their now immobile AFV.

[@Bane_Diesel]

Back in the day me and people in my old clan would go into t2-3 tanks with xvm stats and we would run down the newest or lowest skilled player and let them destroy us for fun. Watching a guy win a 1v3 with less than 100 games was entertainment to us back then.

[@AndreBrah]

And probably gave them the game of their life, having more fun and adrenaline than any game before, indeed making them much more likely to stick around

[@laggianput]

Sealpetting

[@membranealpha5961]

@@laggianput lmao

[@Bane_Diesel]

@@laggianput lmao that is hilarious 🤣

[@Luca.5k]

Absolute legend

[@chems]

I have no idea how it’s possible to be a new player in world of tanks. I think if the PvE tutorial was more similar to the DDay PvE and there were more levels, that could be fun for noobs who are tired of getting constantly killed and just wanna drive around and shoot. At least they can get used to the game

[@unknown_player9498]

its almost impossible to figure out things on your own since the tutorial is poorly made "historical" shermans vs bunch of german panzers the tutorial that we had before the current one was quite good with the prohorovka scenario when you flanked enemis trough the bushlines it was actually quite fun i remember

[@alekseybabulin4884]

I had to create an account again, every battle after bot period on low tiers is gold spamming seal clubbing competition. Not much better on higher tiers on NA, I'm blacklisting people who shoot gold at nonarmored tanks and seeing them from time to time on different tiers - there are never shooting even HE. And ye, bourrasque in every T8 battle. There are tanks like IS-M or 705A that can use armor against gold sometimes, but for the most times there are no HT if there is a goldspammer on one the other side. And additional cancer points is goldspammers are so pay to win they even blind firing gold.

[@unknown_player9498]

@@alekseybabulin4884 gold rounds arent that big of a problem to me since i mostly play paper tanks like batchat but wg totally fucked the lowtiergames now you have only like 3 to 4 maps for lowtiers and you cant even get to himmelsdorf or im just extremely unlucky , like why they streamlined bottom tiers so much it once was the most diverse part of the game an now its just unplayable garbage with sealclubbers

[@alekseybabulin4884]

@@unknown_player9498 Ye, same, but before that I researched HT line, and god that is unbearable assimetry of penetration.

[@willdodge200]

I just took my tier 5 ELC out for a spin today. I was top tier. Six players on the enemy team had the gold ball next to their name. It was nothing but gold spam all game. I looked at their accounts afterward. All had between 25k to 50k games played. Some had never even gone above tier six. When you look at these accounts, most have very few higher tier tanks and they are terrible in them. It's just so typical. Why learn to get better at high tiers when I can just pummel people at low tiers? To be honest, any low tier tank with the gold circle should automatically be bottom tier.

[@JHohenhauser]

I remember installing playing WOT after a bad losestreak in WT. I don't know what drove me off, the consumables, the seemingly bullet spongey gameplay, the invisible "camouflaged" players sniping me from God knows where, or the blatant PtW ammo. Needless to say, like a bruised housewife crawling back into an abusive relationship, I came back to WT.

[@purpleneons]

have a like and get some help lmaoo

[@greensoldier2142]

I crammed like a hundred hours in 1-2 weeks into WT after years of WoT. You people have it good, at least with some tank knowledge and tactics you can overcome a lot of the difficulties in WT. In WoT, it's just learned helplessness, you know it's going to be bad and there's not much you can do about it.

[@Juel92]

@@greensoldier2142 Yeah that's how I felt playing WoT way back in the day.

[@willdodge200]

I've played 60k+ battles in this game. I've gone down to low tiers to start lines that I either hadn't started or quickly bypassed. It is impossible to have fun. All of the points you made are accurate.

[@nojoojuu]

Tru dat! Even experienced casual player starting a new line gets f:d easily. Sad. Nuf said.

[@maurice5402]

Honestly this game is an absolute hellscape until you get to like tier 7

[@bulletpenguinproductions8960]

Another thing to mention is the how long grinding up a line takes without premium time. In my expirence as a new player 6 years ago, the stock grinds for some tanks were unbearable and almost made me quit. I recently ran out of premium time, and its reminded me of how long it takes to grind credits, even while playing a premium tank.

[@alekseybabulin4884]

Meanwhile with all paid boosters people are able to shoot only gold and still gain credits. That is another cancer of WOT that killing it. Onslaught is the essence of it, If you can't afford gold you can't afford high ranks no matter the skill.

[@douglarse]

You guys dont really know the meaning of "grinding", I started in 2011 and getting to tier 10 was more of an achievement than anything.

[@soldier22881]

and all people had to do was close their wallets early and tada no more insane grind to high tiers and most importantly no artillery and over powered real money tanks. but alas we are not in that timeline

[@chrissjduebochsjd3120]

Try warthunder if you want a grind, WOT is lot better for grinding

[@alekseybabulin4884]

@@chrissjduebochsjd3120 In WT you can play tops without loosing credits, meanwhile in lvl 10 WoT you lose credits even on victory.

[@Kar4ever3]

When you talk about mobile games, the rule is "The more currencies, the more mechanics, the more advertizement, the more you're seeing a game nearing it's life support stage". And we're seeing that in more live service games too.

[@Pulmonox]

Mobile games were always the forerunners for the mainstream dev cycle. Microtransactions, loot boxes, the entire F2P economic model all had their 'trial runs' and initial forays into the business via mobile gaming in the mid-to-late 2000s. Then it moved into sports games and finally into the main gaming sphere because, lo and behold, it was proving to be very profitable. Gamers really need to take a step back and re-evaluate what they spend their money on and why.

[@supporting_fox4057]

Incoming: "Seal-clubbing" Me: Has Pz. S35 flashbacks

[@unknown_player9498]

me who owns pz II b but i dont play it very often as i dont want to ruin experience for newcomers , but i try to mostly target sealclubbers

[@DDomi-rh6fq]

Every time we have to play low tier we always jump on the pz s35 or yolo them 3v1 just to ruin their seal clubbing experience xd

[@unknown_player9498]

@@DDomi-rh6fq czech tier III has 120 burst and 80 standard pen it pisses them off so easily

[@DDomi-rh6fq]

@@unknown_player9498 ayy good to know

[@snapcountersteer]

@@unknown_player9498that thing is mid, strv m40 L is where it's at, although 1v1 nothing can beat the pz s35.

[@piaskonator2535]

All my friends who tried to start playing wot gave up mainly because of artillery. Despite having 20k battles I wasn't able to explain to them how to deal with it (because I don't know that either xd).

[@astanisystems]

Same. Arty has ruined this game. If it's not the stun, then it's the leFHB1 arty that ruins the game. Number of arty players has dramatically increased. Noteworthy mentions are also FV304 which are people now playing heavily, and AMX 13 AM which ruin the whole tier 4-6 experience. It's pointless for me to play those tiers in order to get BP bonus for maxing out point caps on tier 4-6 tanks. Two artilleries on each team is just as bad as three. It should be one on each team, or to remove the artillery completely, or have arty play separate game mode.

[@piaskonator2535]

​@@astanisystems Many artilleries could be transfer into TD with troll gun

[@AHappyCub]

@@piaskonator2535 The War Thunder route then

[@unknown_player9498]

arty is impossible to cure the concept is cancer and you cannnot fix it

[@piaskonator2535]

@@AHappyCub exactly

[@Yamaha01.]

side scraping can be seen in battle loadings as a tip. singular image with maus, describing that angling your armor increaces chance of survival.

[@shadowzone2588]

It would be better it they just had the tutorial tell you about it and show you how to do it

[@thearmouroflight6954]

I believe it's also mentioned as a feature of a premium tank, like hulldown capabilities or dpm. But the technicality is never explained.

[@shadowzone2588]

@@thearmouroflight6954 and that's the problem.

[@alansilvero]

I think the loading screen you're referring to is also on wot blitz, another game that has a worthless tutorial that teaches nothing yet still lets new players to buy tier 8 premium out of the box.

[@javidmirza4584]

Funny how no one talks about the PZ1C with a waffle turret and 1V29 in the beginning of the battle.

[@crazyadam9281]

I've not played the PC version of WoT and seeing that Pz1C and that Medium MMMMV with FV4005 turret bloody had me confused for a second

[@jinxistfire5664]

Not to mention watching it rip around so fast it rolled itself, and the gun looked almost comically large one of the times it got sillouetted. Maybe I'm mixing it up with another tank though.

[@roobobin]

@@crazyadam9281 wait till you hear about mercenaries...

[@crazyadam9281]

@@roobobin if you're talking about the console version of WoT then I now about the those tanks.

[@roobobin]

@@crazyadam9281 I am unfortunately

[@barnykirashi]

I want to make my own statement, from an "outsider" perspective, who did play World of Tanks, but is a War Thunder player now. My story began in I don't know 2018, 2019. I have a friend who was obsessed with WoT since I knew him. He was a true WoT Veteran, who knew everything, and anything at the time at least. And he got me to try the game. Back then I was not that much of a "nerd" and I had barely known anything. Didn't help that we immedietly played in a platoon. Low tier was pain, and I didn't understand what I was doing, and what I wanted to do, I was confused, and as much as he tried to teach me the basics, I often misunderstood things, or just didn't quite fully understand things. Like side-scraping. Things just didn't go well, and I was quickly feeling tired of the game, and I'm not the type of person to give up learning a new game, case in point, I play War Thunder now. But WoT......just did not work out for me. I was playing Soviet Tanks, and my friend was an avid Heavy Tank enthausiast, so his advice was to grind a tier 10 heavy first. This was the first wrong choice I did not know I was making. He also suggested that my first tank should be either American, German, or Soviet. He was a Soviet fan, and I was back then too, so I made the second wrong choice by going with the Soviet Heavy tanks. In Hindsight I would have rather went for German Heavies, or just any medium line. I got to the KV-1, and I was absolutely dumbfounded and didn't understand what I was supposed to do. My problem was mainly with the Tactics. I had 0 Idea what should I do and when. But we decided I should start another line, which was the US Tank Destroyers line, which I enjoyed a lot more. But the story went the way it did, and I stopped playing World of Tanks altogether. I think one or two years has passed, and my passive like for military vehicles have grown to a more active one, and I really looked for a plane game, and that's how I really found War Thunder. Here the story went like this: I came for the planes, and I had 2 goals: The Boeing B-17, and the main goal, a Griffon Engine Spitfire. So the Spitfire Mk.XIVe. And I've got to playing in Arcade Air Battles. Air Arcade has one major benefit: Chaos. Air Arcade is a really chaotic environment, with respawns, lead indicators, and the sheer volume of airplanes, in Air Arcade, even I, a total seal had a chance of success. That does not mean that playing Arcade would really teach anything, I was actively learning, or rather thought myself by consuming content. If I wasn't playing War Thunder, I was watching it. I looked for air combat guides, and I learned things from them. When I was somewhat decent at the fundamentals, I slowly, and hesitantly made my graduation from Air Arcade to Air Realistic battles, where I had to learn even more to be effective. I learned from creators like DEFYN, because the game barely had any content to teach. We will get back to this later. While I was getting better and better as a Pilot, as a Tanker I was terrible. The problem arose from a few things: In Arcade, I felt like I was way too easy to spot with the markers, and shell fall indicators, I was killed way too quickly. In Realistic however, the problem arose from the simple fact that without the markers, I felt blind and didn't notice enemies in time, and I got killed before spotting them. What added to the problem was that I had no idea where should I look for the enemies in the first place. Another problem was my choice of Nation. I was very proficient at British Aircraft, and as a Teaboo, I took it obvious that I would play British tanks as well. Nobody told me in time that Great Britain is the least forgiving tech tree in the entire game, for the simple reason, that it is a Major Nation, that is NOT a major nation. It seems like a major nation that is full of vehicles and friendly for the newbies, like Germany, USA, or USSR. However it is by far not. Japan, China, France, Sweden and Italy are obviously not Majors, and are obviously not new player friendly, but britain isn't obvious. I was going for the Churchill VII, and the FV4005 Stage II. I was barely touching tanks until.... I have unlocked it. The Stuart I. This was one of the first tanks I have unlocked, and it was wonderful. It was after all, an American tank, which is much more forgiving, than the feast or famine, bipolar nature the British tanks have (And I've since grown to adore it). Thing is that as a new player to WT Tanks, I should have tried playing the big 3 first, to even have a chance at understanding tank combat, but now it was whatever. I got a basic tank with forgiving charachteristics, it was only forwards now. Thing is, one great thing about War Thunder tanks as a new player, is that low tier tanks barely have any armor. All you have to do is spot a tank, and shoot it. And it should die, or at least get majorly crippled. Your only major adversaries become the Germans, as they get early Panzer III and Panzer IV in low tiers, which do have some armor. But you still, should be alright. In the intended gameplay of War Thunder, I do not find that much of an issue. The problem seems to be the exact opposite. Encountering a Level 8 F-4S Phantom II(Premium plane) player in my (German)MiG-29......and getting absolutely fucking deleted by my R-27ER1 Semi-Active Radar Homing biasmissile. In my humble opinion War Thunder for a newcomer is an insane gott-verdamnt nightmare. You barely get any information, lack of tutorials, experienced players, not even the seal clubbers, but like people like me, who adore old vehicles, that reside in lower tiers (Like the P-40 Warhawk at battlerating 2.7, which honestly, is absolutely insane seal-clubbing even if I don't try, and it's not my or their fault.) In general, "The Grind" is a blessing in low tier. It's not horrific, but it is long, and it needs to be, to give new players time to figure things out on their own. Problem: -They do not figure out things on their own, they don't get the clues, and need outside help, which isn't too obvious to find. -They are not persistent to suffer through 10-15 matches until they realise their mistakes and begin to improve, so they just uninstall -(air specific) They don't care about propeller planes, so they just buy themselves up to the Tier VI-VII Jets, like the F-4S Phantom or the MiG-23ML. The thing is, that the game is too hard for a complete beginner, but I find that War Thunder's learning curve is more of a steep first step and then it's gradual and it's okay-ish, but there is always room to improve, of course, and I find it less problematic than World of Tanks' absolute encyclopedia you need to learn before you can get on a basic level on the game, but by that time you most likely reach a high enough tier you actively NEED that knowledge. And then, as you force yourself further, I find that Tech Tree tanks in WoT are barely competative vs some premiums, but I don't particualry know how much of a problem that is. I don't know what else I should add, ask away.

[@morrischen5777]

Oh no poor brits tanker...

[@demori2052]

the 17 pounder won't fit.

[@ChrisPrattFanClub]

Yeah I agree. Coming from WoT with the tanks and originally just playing WT on the side for planes I get the perspective. Just like your friend with the top tier Soviet heavy tanks, I too late realized that I had made a poor decision (I went for the tier ten U.S. medium M48A1 Patton). Though that that was much better than its lower tier counterparts, playing tier ten as a free to play player is not possible unless you do really well and win ever match to pay for the repair cost. I was also fed up with how WoT plays; the arbitrary aim circle, fog of war view distance, unrewarding free to play shells and vehicles, stupidly long match wait times (I played on the NA servers), etc. I had enough so I just stopped playing, unfortunately it was after I had already convinced one of my friends to start playing WoT. Oh well, I guess he likes it better as of currently (even after getting the tier nine French wheeled tank). I then tried tanks on War Thunder and I was amazed by how fun even the low tiers were and also how unforgiving the gameplay was. Yes the grind is still there, but it is much more player friendly since you can actually get different tanks relatively quickly. Overall I like the more realistic-ness of WT over the arcade-y WoT gameplay. But they both exist with massive player bases, so obviously each game has its place.

[@looker999997]

WT is worse with information if you want to play Arcade, because all the info online seems geared for RB, and sometimes it's not clear either. Out of all the games of this type I've tried, I'd steer a new player to World of Warships and tell them to never look elsewhere.

[@juanzulu1318]

Chosing the Soviet or US line wasnt a mistake. Chosing the heavy class wasnt a mistake either. Your mistake was that you refused to learn a rather complex game.

[@MongooseJakeGames]

Honestly at this point, Wargaming just needs to make a true co-op option for tanks just as there is in Warships. Let those that want to play a tier 1/2/3/4 all day do exactly just that, but without ruining a new player's battle experience. Warships figured it out, tanks should be able to as well. That at least solves one issue in part.

[@thearmouroflight6954]

It would probably be more difficult to do it because of terrain being a thing in WoT, but it should be possible.

[@MongooseJakeGames]

@@thearmouroflight6954 They've already got bots programed for the maps in WoT, that issue is sorted. They even already know how to distribute bots vs players, so the match making part is already in place, it's literally a matter of them doing it, and having the server capacity to run it.

[@afjsns]

as a WoWS player, i can say this tends to have an opposite effect where more new players play Co-OP and the actual sealclubbers still play PvP. For a lot of them in their premiums (Giulio Cesare, Kamikaze, Agincourt are the big three), they just want to grief. It's the unfortunate reality with these people and i'm not putting it nicely.

[@lolmeme69_]

They used to have Proving Grounds back in the day, but it was removed.

[@Abram2020]

Lesta games readded it, the more i looked into lesta te mlre i agree with their changes, they atleast are trying to breal the meta and add new features

[@NotMyOriginalHandle]

Dropped this game over a year ago and switched to War Thunder and haven’t looked back.

[@convue4112]

war thunder itself isnt a great game either. the only thing running for it is good graphic's and historically accurate.

[@God-kx7fe]

​@@convue4112 WT a bit better though. WT is more of a pay to progress, not p2w game, although seal clubbing exists in WT as much as in WOT, gameplay wise it's up to preference.

[@God-kx7fe]

​@@convue4112 WT a bit better though. WT is more of a pay to progress, not p2w game, although seal clubbing exists in WT as much as in WOT, gameplay wise it's up to preference.

[@BoredCoat]

Same

[@dragonace119]

You traded an Opium addiction for a Krokodil addiction.

[@shadowdemon553]

I started playing the game in 2015, and I remember that the team training rooms used to be pack full of people (on the NA server), like there would be at least 15 rooms going with upwards of 5-20 players in each room messing around or just driving their tanks around in a chill room talking with people Now in 2024, when I opened up team training rooms, I only saw one room if any at all, and that one room would either have 15 people on a good day or 5 people and that broke my heart to see that, that the game that I love and the era that I joined in that would have chill rooms, runners vs. chasers, hide & seek, arty battleship, arty battles, hell even mountain climbing rooms isn’t getting new players to have these fun rooms is just heart wrenching, yeah there were toxicity in the training rooms, but there was enough people who just wanted to have a good time, having a good time climbing the B2 spot on mountain pass, chasing fast low tier tanks with their E-50m in runners vs. chasers, getting in their tier 3 Renault FT to get to some ridiculously funny hiding spots in hide & seek, getting out their m44 and fv304 arty to shotgun each other with in arty battles, or getting in their arties to blind fire from one cap to the other in arty battleship, this sounds very nostalgic in retrospect (cuz it is), but man those were the times and to be frank I miss those times in the game where people just played the game to have fun

[@feroxk.9266]

the problem with training rooms always been that you actually had to pay the consumable and ammo cost all time. That was just sucha stupid thing to have. You gain nothing but spend everything.

[@convue4112]

@@shadowdemon553 im incredibly glad. I dislike wot and wotb with a massive hatred.

[@shadowzone2588]

"why are my teammates so bad. seriously you should all uninstall" tier 3 seal clubber to their teammates. edit: also the part about people not knowing about things like side scrapping is the result of WG not having a more advanced tutorial that covers things like this. they also need an in game armor viewer as well. double edit: and the fact that the game only put a single likely stock t29 with no back up heavy up against 2 full upgraded t29 who are also platooned really just shows how bad the matchmaker is.

[@helohel5915]

tbh that t29 player did skip actually completing the M6 grind to get the 90mm. No way in modern day can you get a 76mm t29 if u actually bothered researching all modules of your tanks

[@shadowzone2588]

@@helohel5915 maybe he played the m6 and just didn't like it and wanted to get the t29. again tho the MM shouldn't have made him the only heavy on this team.

[@helohel5915]

@@shadowzone2588 yeah... played the m6, didn't fully research modules, went immediately to t29, grinding like 50k exp in a stock m6 I don't know sounds like this guy set themselves up for failure. Sure, MM issue, but I see too many personal mistakes

[@shadowzone2588]

@@helohel5915 well considering that he was new too he probably didn't know that certain upgrades transfer between tanks.

[@helohel5915]

@@shadowzone2588 no no not even that, he didn't know to research the top gun on m6 before grinding the necessary exp for t29

[@astanisystems]

Have y'all noticed the recent increase of arty players at tier 4-6? Nearly every tier 4-6 match I see two artilleries on each team, and most of the time it's FV304 and that damn tier 5 French leaf blower artillery. I tested something on test server, and you can get that arty's reload down to about 7.5 seconds which just breaks the game. In a match on the test server, I was able to harass people and deal 1000-1500 damage on average and sometimes 2K or more with that build, and I'm by no means a skilled arty player - I play heavies and mediums mostly. This goes to show yet another problem that this game has, and that is OP tanks. Don't even get me started on BZ-176 and similar OP tanks, it was just as bad of an outcome. I tested that too. Game is totally unbalanced. The most balance I saw was in 2013-2015.

[@unknown_player9498]

and then they nuked fun tanks like 59-16 and removed climbing to promote hulldown bullshit

[@astanisystems]

@@unknown_player9498 Yeah, long gone are days where you could climb somewhere and find a good sniping or scouting position, or just have fun. Did 59-16 have an autoloader back in the day? I think it did. Anyways, that's one tank I need to play with soon.

[@unknown_player9498]

@@astanisystems it had autoloader but wg nerfed it for no reason and yeah 9.17 was wot at its peak you could climb everywhere and that was awesome

[@astanisystems]

@@unknown_player9498 What a shame. They will nerf everything except premium tanks.

[@soldier22881]

@@unknown_player9498 they did it to promote artillery and more camping, and to remove fun because its not aloud in this game

[@kevinjones9547]

I played WoT for two years and oh man I remember the joys of facing tier 8 prems in a stock tier 6. I pushed through but i think that’s just a hurdle that wasn’t worth it to most

[@jatzi1526]

Long long time ago back in like 2010 or 11 the matchmaking was so jacked you could have a tier 6 up against tier 9s and 10s. I once killed an E75 with a Hellcat cuz he had no health and I manages to pen his rear. I got so much exp lol

[@GewelReal]

Man, I haven't played WoT in like 5+ years To me World of Tanks died after patch 9.6, a patch where accuracy was HEAVILY nerfed. After that WoT is just a slot machine where honestly skill barely matters

[@waynealan3067]

Seal clubbers should only be playing against each other. There should be a queue for people who have played less than 5000 games. And all mm should be skill based and balanced by tanks. Ie - if 2 bz-176 are in queue, they automatically go on opposite teams.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

Back when I played blitz, I only 'seal clubbed' because I wanted a chill time of playing me tank game to break out of the grind, even if my favorite tank (the t28 htc) was also my grind tank

[@unknown_player9498]

if you think about it an amounts per account mm would be great compared to sheer thrash we have now but the game is dying therefore there would be no one in the queue

[@thearmouroflight6954]

@@wolfgang_h3t T28 also is a tier 7? I forget what tier it is in Blitz. But I wouldn't consider tier 7 to be sealclubbing, really, considering you meet 8s and 9s more often than 5s.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

@@thearmouroflight6954 You misunderstood. The T28 htc is my grind tank, I 'seal club' when I need a break

[@thearmouroflight6954]

@@wolfgang_h3t Is it seal clubbing if it's tier 7 though, the playerbase is generally more skilled at tier 7 than tier 4

[@toasterhothead3312]

I see a few comments about WT, as a world of tanks former player (then started playing WT cause I enjoyed the realism), I never actually understood how the crew system worked, even when I got 2 tier 10’s, I never understood even after people tried to explain it. And while Warthunder doesn’t exactly do a good job of explaining their game, the fact u can respawn and u do learn very quickly just rushing out immedietely gets you killed actually made the game more fun, and I think it’s the fact u CAN respawn more vehicles that makes it better. You actually get the opportunity to learn instead of going back to main menu then going through another loading screen to probably end up dead in 2 seconds only after driving towards the enemy for 15 seconds

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

Respawn would be a great mechanic for World of Tanks standard battles to be honest and there are some special battle modes on WoT that do allow it.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Siege sucks now anyway, you're not missing out. I played year 1 and 2 and it was awesome but Ubisoft made it worse with every uodates.

[@ernestrusek6847]

8:19 as a former WoTb pleyer when they deleted all those tier 1-3 tanks, thats was the time when I quit the game, devs should not force you to grind ,but encourage to that by having fun in any tank you like (I played with my beloved t2 medium back then)

[@Tommy_The_Gun]

Sealclubbing always existed (T18 TD anyone ?) . The problem is that it was never this prominent & obvious. - WG removed almost all low tier tech tree tanks & moved them to collector's vehicles and added/left only very strong tech tree tanks (Matilda, Valentine, T6 Medium, S35, Stuart etc). - They buffed HP by a lot. - They changed MM (lowered it). - They added a lot of "boosters" so you pretty much get so much credits & exp that you land on your 1st tier 5 in less than 1 hour lol. The whole idea was to make the experience better for new players. But the effect is the opposite. No one "grinds" low tiers any more. New players fights bots for some games and then boom ! Statpaders ! :O In the past you had to play tier 2 TD to unlock TDs. Now it starts from tier 5 or something. In the past tanks that nowadays are quite common (like B2 or leFH for example) were very rare. Even if some one was sealcubbing, you saw that tank maybe once per 50 - 100 games. It was rare. it was not impacting new player experience. Pz S35 ? It was not "god tier" also as it had normal mm (very often vs tier 5) & less HP. It goes pretty much for every seal clubber tank. It was either very rare, so it was not impacting games that much, or it was in a way worse spot than vs now. And on top of that, you had normal players playing low tiers as they were grinding through the tech tree. Nowadays, the only ones who were left in the game at low tiers are seal clubbers. And even for them, the games are becoming too toxic. So "seal clubbers" are now split. Some stayed ad tier 3 - 4 and some moved at tier 5. WG killed low tier. The only "low tiers" imho that can offer some fun & decent games are only 2 tanks - Light Mk. VIC & T7 Combat Car. Why ? Cuz both have mm+0 so they will never see sealclubbers (or at least very rarely). To fix the problem, WG should simply go back to the previous version that worked. More tech tree tanks at low tiers. More grinding at lower tiers. More modules to research. More type of guns to mount on a tank. The only way to stop sealclubbing is to bring more players to the low tier, as it was before. Give players a reason to play low tiers. And if more people will play, then sealclubbers will be less frequent till it is like before - maybe once for 30 - 50 games. The problem is WG itself. They want players to play at higher tiers, so they would keep buying p2w premium tansk... So I guess WG "wants" to keep it that way, so they will not fix it... They want players to get wrecked by broken premium tanks at tier 8 and, OP clan reward tanks at tier 9 and 10. They want this cuz some players will buy the tanks that keep killing them.

[@gonozal8_962]

not more modules. instead higher research xp cost or, better yet, 1 gunmark as a requirement to unlock the next Tier

[@TotoGeenen]

As a kid I spent YEARS in low tiers and had a lot of fun. I was playing many different countries and tanks, which resulted in very slow progression up the ranks, but I didn't mind. Nowadays that's not even an option

[@leon-ks9yn]

as a war thunder player that played a lot of wot waaaay back in the day... shit man its all the same

[@Pepsi_man_official]

Started to get sick of war thunder and tried wot, I came back to war thunder with the realization that it could be so much worse than it is

[@Ryzard]

@@Pepsi_man_official lmfao real

[@ZigaZagu]

Glad War Thunder isn't dying. At least one of the tank games I've dumped inordinate amounts of time and money into is still playable. And I've learned to fly planes and helicopters.

[@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477]

The war thunder early game ain't much better, so many level 100s at tier 1 and around 3.0-4.0 it's even worse As long as I can do my tech tree EBR and AC I am happy playing 6.0

[@ZigaZagu]

@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 I mean, its not that big a deal, just cause they're level 100 doesn't mean theyre good. Theyve just been around a minute. Level 100 really dont even mean shit, like, I've had that for YEARS. I got a friend that rerolled last year and he's already lvl 100. Tho, hes not a great example cause he's gone 50-2 in air sim ec

[@morrischen5777]

@@ZigaZagu War Thunder, where lv100 means you have "the initiation of a baisc competency in survival". 😂

[@burningphoneix]

>Warthunder >Playable 🤔

[@ZigaZagu]

@@burningphoneix skill issue

[@larry-three8225]

I would limit matchmaking to only +1/-1, and only for tier V and above. I would also limit TD's to only 2 for tier's I-IV, 3 for tier's V-VII, and 4 for tier's VIII-X.

[@RAD1UMMM]

I agree but on NA server TDs actually make up a majority of the most played tanks. only 4 TDs per team would massively increase que times because so many people on NA prefer to play TDs.

[@asrieldreemurr1856]

Damn larry, how surprising to see you here

[@larry-three8225]

@@asrieldreemurr1856 Hey, Asriel. It is good to see you here as well. What is the portuguese word for hello? Olá... Did I spell that correctly? 'X^) Well, anyway, happy hunting out there. ':^)

[@asrieldreemurr1856]

@@larry-three8225 Yes you're right about the word lol.

[@oranjoman7819]

Time for me to 3 mark a tier 3

[@lncoming]

On stream

[@dastardlyzfiend]

Very well put together, produced, and published, there should be more like you and then maybe, just maybe, they'd listen....if it's that they don't realize instead of not caring....hopefully if enough voices are heard from CC's and non CC's that stream and produce great videos such as this one, they'll actually get their heads out of the sand and take action....I don't think any company wants to go under, sometimes it's just the top brass out of touch with the common schmoe.

[@dontaskmeagain4091]

Talking about rainbow 6 siege. I was scolded at and vote kicked a lot as a new player. I asked for help and they just asked me to leave the team even before I did anything. It made me a bit sad.

[@sicksixgamer2694]

So WoT has the same problems from 7 years ago when I quit permanently.

[@Tankers4Change]

Ok, WHAT was that shot at 21:16 😂 rng at its finest. - also great video man 👍

[@Kettleman1.0]

Wot killed my enthusiasm by making me face countless teir 8 premiums in my stock teir 6, so i never passed teir 6 sherman & t-34 85, so i havent played ages

[@jadencory6169]

I don't play this game but this was a very inciteful video. i hope some of these problems get addressed

[@cristianroth8524]

World of Tanks started dying since way before 1.0. It was 0.6.7 when me and my middle school mates noticed how premium stuff gets more frequent. "Soon, only downloading the game will be free." I forgot which one of us said it, but it stuck to my mind.

[@lncoming]

0.6.7 was closed beta, where there were only like 70 tanks in the game...

[@jordanasparadoxproductions8401]

Man if you took me back to 2014-15 i would play WoT everyday, those were truely the best days for me,a lot of things ruined the game for me thats why i stopped playing but WoT will always have a special place in my heart

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

This is why I try to use more fun vehicles at those tiers. Something liked the T-60 with the .50 or just shotgun arty. Something dumb that isn’t effective but won’t stop enemy players from mopping the floor with you even if they play dumb.

[@peravirtanen9815]

Two main reasons I quit playing were HD tank updates, that removed the weak spots and the removal of crosschat. I allso think the game should be 1-3 tier spread, but I did like the challenge that brought😅

[@jakubw.2779]

About gold apcr ammo. For clarification, i haven't played the game for years now. I dropped it at the time where WT E100 were absolutely demolishing anything and arty did full dmg. APCR isn't even properly modelled in WoT. Sure it has high pen, but the pen drop with distance is insane because, despite being lighter it had high aerodynamical drag which caused rapid velocity bleed. Its a basically solid piece of tungsten projectile coated with alluminium shell. Light, hard and rigid. It doesn't have explosive filler, so it isn't as effective as APHE for example and because it's hard it easily ricochets (there's also high chance of shattering upon impact) and because it's light it doesn't create as much spall as even normal solid shots. For an arcade game as WoT APCR doesn't really make sense. Not to mention that for small caliber guns of low tier any advantage of APCR would be negated after 150-200m.

[@therevenantschakalofkrieg2495]

I can not say anything about the seal clubbing in War Thunder, but I can confirm that the seal clubbing in crossout is a nightmare situation. I will not get too much into the details here, but we have been in an ebb and flow of lack of players for a long time, and seal clubbing, and alarmingly rampant toxicity are factors in why crossout is in the same boots as World of tanks. We are just worse affected by it due to the lack of players, and unchecked toxicity.

[@vaskee223]

Was grinding the 60TP from 1-10 and was in so much pain until tier 6 with the top gun. So many tanks I can't pen anywhere and had a gun too inaccurate to hit weakspots with, along with embarrasingly low alpha. It didn't take crazy long but it was sad to play..

[@the_steamtrain1642]

As someone who played quite a bit a few years ago and tried to play a few months ago again, a large part for me was the menus on menus and so on, WOT actually made a series on youtube explaining things like sidescraping and shell types but either it's not linked or more likely is hidden behind some menu somewhere

[@simonedeiana2696]

the problem is that higher tiers gameplay should become more complex and nuanced so that players feel they always have something to learn, but the tank handling should feel equally as good in all of the tiers. instead the lower ranks feel extremely frustrating because they game has basically the same complexity but the tanks are horrible. lower tiers should be for simpler gameplay, not bad gameplay

[@jankisza1]

Bro is bout to carry on the legacy of Chems, nice vid.

[@BreakerXXIV]

It was the power creep that killed this game for me. I grinded hard for the Centurion X, M60, and Leopard, then the Kranavagn came out and rofl stomped everything outside of the Defender and I was like nah, this ain't it.

[@professorkatze1123]

thats also why i play in warthunder and WoT die first few tiers. above tier 5 it turns from a game into tedious work

[@makswais3012]

Seeing WoT version of Pz.III's long 50mm gun penning only 67mm of armor is sad.

[@TheDgamesD]

Pretty much all of the maps i’ve enjoyed over the years are all gone, Old Highway, dragons ridge just to name two of them. jfc..

[@PalmersPhotos]

This absolutely needs to be talked about more. WOT is a community sport, and all sports need to be accessible to all who are inexperienced but interested if the sport is going to be sustainable. The low-tier experience is where everyone starts, and while I'll never shame anyone who wants to keep on playing lower tier vehicles I think anyone who is clearly more skilled than their peers needs at least a gentle push to move up and find matches that complement their skill level or ability. The first thing I think would help this is to extend the new elite-level ranking number to all tiers, to allow everyone to immediately identify the seal-clubbers. Additionally, for tiers 1-5, your vehicle tier and elite level number should have more of an effect on your matchmaking after a determined number of wins. For example, a level 50 player on a tier 5 vehicle may get something like 10 wins per day but then be matched in games at a tier disadvantage. The cost of higher-tier vehicles and equipment might also be a hindrance for newer players, causing them to lose interest in advancing through the tech trees and to instead "specialise" in particularly overpowered low-tier vehicles. This could be addressed with more events like the "Summer Challenge" set of missions we've just had (Asia server here, but I'm sure everyone else had it). For example, every 2-3 months we get a set of missions that are accessible to players of all skill levels (ie no needing to block 165k damage... you know the one I mean), and if completed within a reasonable time-frame the player earns a popular tier 5 premium tank (preferably with some equipment) that most experienced players already have. That way, more newbies can have a credit-earning crew trainer vehicle without becoming cannon fodder for Defenders and Skorpions. Also, more access to rental tier 6 premiums, to encourage new players to try new things. I was a big fan of WG extending Battle Pass progression to tier 4-5 vehicles, and I've had a lot of fun going back to some less competitive tier 5 vehicles to grind through the Battle Pass stages faster, but I was shocked at how hostile and hard to play tier 4 felt. Really great and well thought out video - I wish more CCs talked about these issues more.

[@OneWhoKnowsThings6009]

revert the game back to 7.0 or 8.6 with just the current tank trees...

[@shark_de_mique]

Amen

[@unknown_player9498]

i miss 9.17 it was wot at its peak after it went to shit

[@madkoala2130]

Update that intorduced Swedish line was peak of WoT. Most of the maps were still in game, top tier was on semi cancers state (not full cancer) and all tiers beyond 5 were fun on their own. It got down hill when they rolled that super heavy buff update.

[@jamesavery3559]

@@unknown_player9498 true!...9.18 destroyed it.

[@soldier22881]

problem is artillery is still in those version, they need to remove artillery

[@Krieg_General]

I was fortunate enough to play on Christmas and it boosted me to nearly tier 9 and I was shocked because I was so bad at the game but than I realize that around holidays too there was a major new player boost but than after it'd be back to getting stomped into the ground

[@staplebluejo3740]

I would have love to see gold ammo nerfed pen stays the same but damage is reduced

[@alexlucas9535]

I stopped playing nearly a decade ago, what killed it for me was the class distinction be eroded away. I liked playing light tanks that focus on providing the team with scouting, I'm sure it's still around to some extent but what I saw was light tanks with the addition of tier 10 lights were just an alternative form of medium tank, just less armor and hp and higher speed. And I really didn't like that. Most of my best memories were playing tier 4-5 light tanks and working with my teammates. Also the saturation of high tier vehicles hitting max view range, and the state of artillery and many other things like gold ammo have ruined the game. Maybe it's just the nostalgia but playing wot classic for the brief while that was available was genuinely fun tier 4-6 which the game hadn't been for me for years by the time wot classic showed up. It's just not fun like it used to be.

[@Ryzard]

Thank you for this video. As a player of many dying or dead games, you are actually dead on in terms of the biggest issue. Seal clubbing, and a bad new player experience, will strangle a GOOD, HEALTHY game to death. New players are the lifeline. Without new blood, everyone slowly gets sweatier and sweatier, and only the truly obsessed remain as everyone else slowly backs out or loses interest over time. New players have to have a decent experience into the game, or it will start to stagnate and try to pump its remaining playerbase for all the money they will give it, and degrade over time. A truly unique game that I loved, and has been irreplicable (not just in terms of oh singular mechanic - entire game was very experimental, and a passion project from the studio) - ended up going down in huge part because the new player experience was subpar, and some players would spend their whole day seal clubbing. And unlike things like FPS games and WOT, you couldn't just respawn with your stuff. You lost it. So people quit, and I had to watch the numbers fall to thousands, then hundreds, and then... offline. Side note, nice music taste.

[@sarodorethedragon9865]

3 minutes in and you described my world of tanks experience word for word up until the day I finally quit because a panther was pushing my Churchill around and I got a temp ban because I shot him after telling him to leave me alone Moved on to war thunder -it’s got issues too but I enjoy it - and never looked back. I wanted to like the game I really really did but 1 bad egg and constantly getting demolished by everyone under the sun for 2 years after my buddy squadded up with me killed any will I had to play.

[@cartonks.2492]

After playing this game for 6 years I left it completely it's been nearly 6 months since I logged in

[@user-hp2cy5mq4c]

What was that footage of Maus and british naval gun playing with tiny stuarts and early ww2 tanks💀 (I stopped playing this like 7 years btw)

[@eventerminator1382]

I used to play a whole lot of WoT Blitz back then but I gave up because I think I chose the wrong tech tree. As I went up the tech tree my gun just became worse and worse. The only thing people said I can do was to “hull down”, in a game where most of the maps are flat and to use gold ammo.

[@werttrichen]

As someone who has stopped playing in 2021: What the hell happened to these tanks you're facing

[@badgamergood6713]

That Pz1c skin is the best

[@intheshadows1623]

good video as an addition to all the other stuff that is wrong in the game atm. If I remember right, I was at tier 6 , when I did discover angeling armour (11 years ago). It was by pure luck because someone was watching while dead and did mention it to me. Then I did search for Info about that... and it became my favortite minigame in the battles with hvy tanks. This was bevore defender and co got into the game and there were real weakspots on tanks...

[@Elmalab]

Seal clubbers can end up on both teams. And they show new players what is possible. But there is protective matchmaking. And getting one shoted/getting one shots is one of the most fun parts of the game.

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

I play WoT Blitz most often out of many tank games (War Thunder included), and this is a very large problem. Personally if I go down to any tier below 5-6, I will do like one platooning battle and then stay around tiers 8-7 for most battles. Like you mentioned about tiers 9-10, I usually avoid those tiers with tiers 7-8 being average for me within the versions of WoT.

[@moltensh4dow506]

i understand people who only play low tiers because high tiers have become so ass. my favorite tier to play is tier 6-7 because the roles of the tanks and the way the game plays is actually quite unchanged compared to tier 6-7 10 years ago (no 60kmh heavies, no auto reloading italian made-up MBTs; that is, until you get a tier 8 or 9 match)

[@jasoncramer5091]

for me it was coming back after about 6-8 years and finally paying something back that i got my account back, went into a couple of matches with my best tier 8 only to find i couldn't pen anything... played about 4 matches where i did no damage because i couldn't pen a tank. i haven't actually touched the game in over a year now...

[@GAMINGisAWES0ME]

I've only played WoT like once, I'm a War Thunder player... but I find this interesting, great video!

[@StudRaider]

what mods are you running i want the funnys

[@lncoming]

wgmods.net/6354

[@NightshadeFoxWolf]

I will admit that there are tanks I play that are low tier. Like the Stuart tanks and Scott tanks and Valentine tanks and variants which I like and will play mostly (I miss the tier 1 and 2 battles). I can admit I am apart of the problem, though doing it to get easy kills. No, because I am the 1st to die half the time in one shot. And I used to play WoT's so many years ago. Left and come back here and there. Mostly came back 2 months ago after being done with War Thunder screwing me over for the last time on me not being rewarded a event vehicle I successfully grinded for. And I had noticed, while playing the P26/40 (as I haven't done much playing for console version of WoT). And long story short, being the last person on my team, getting 8 kills and winning. It was a mastary 3 metal... I realized how worst seal clubbing of new players have become compared to last I played being 5 years ago. But I do agree that something needs to change for the funnel becoming a straw... but I also see that... like at the end. How would one fix it? Because you can't really stop the ones who do like beating down the new players. Or even bigger issue in some other games that don't have tiers, which causal players being attacked and beaten down to the competitive players. How can you tell who is casual and who is competitive in that sense?

[@ymisojop]

I dont even know when i learned how to sidescrap. i think i was in some clan, and there was guy who helped me to understand it.

[@gastramaybethatsucksatengl2315]

me too. i met someone who becomes my bestfriend later who teach me how to do sidescrape and weakspot, he already 3 years or less at that time. its the WOT Blitz tho because he told the normal WOT sucks because of arty.

[@StrazdasLT]

I just naturally noticed that angled armour bounces more... so i angled the whole tank.

[@promptedleek4829]

I agree with the new player burnout. I started playing about a year ago and I got to teir 6. unfortunatly, I keep on dying to people I dont see. I still dont understand how armour or spotting works and I find it super annoying

[@tsd_ju7084]

I had never even considered this but when I started playing WoT back in 2013... I didn't get through the lower tiers before pausing for a good year or so and when I came back, I started investing some serious effort into the game after consulting some KZbin content (because ofc, the tutorial was barebones back then). However, even back then the grind from Tier 4 to 5 felt like an insurmountable obstacle. To some degree that was because I was playing with a lot of hinderances like 60% crew training, no equipment, no map knowledge, etc. On the other hand, I do remember the vast flood of T67s very well back then, and I'm pretty sure that a lot of ppl exclusively sticking to lower tiers was already a factor back then too. I probably never thought about throwing in the towel though, because the game was free-to-play and one of the only titles I could probably play that wouldn't age very quickly. Of course now I wish I had, before ending up being emotionally tied to over 10y of effort and investment.

[@jesushankerstein9487]

I played a game called Combat Arms for nearly a decade. People complained about the game forever and there were never any attempts to fix the issues plaguing the game. It's essentially dead now but still active and the issues still exists. The issues with WoT will not be addressed. Ride the sinking ship and have fun but if you're not having fun just know the issues will not be resolved and figure out where you want to go from there.

[@epion660]

Combat Arms is still up? Damn, it's been a long time.

[@gafeleon9032]

I liked wotb's solution to gold ammo, they kept the price difference and higher penetration, but lowered the damage It was used as an option for when you simply couldn't get a better shot You need extra pen? well accept lower damage You want to do damage? well accept the lower pen Except for high tier britain that got HESH that dealt HE damage with worse pen than base ap

[@lncoming]

Blitz's combat system is a lot more mobility-based than PC is. Gold ammo matters less because you can flank exceedingly easier. Versus PC, where it's basically who can snipe weak spots more often than their opponents (see T110E5). IS-3-II only has 292 gold pen for 390 damage. If it does (for example) 10% less damage, it has to shoot a Maus at least 10 times to kill it, and it cannot frontally pen anywhere except the lower plate. It also makes tanks with already-not-great gold rounds even worse, like the T-100.

[@marcelm605]

that's why this game need MM base on skill base and rewards base on your tier up so even seal clubber will think twice drop down when he will loos other rewards during normal play .

[@lncoming]

SBMM doesn't work in practice

[@soldier22881]

@@lncoming the current mm pits paying players against non paying, real money tanks against tech trees, hardly call it better

[@angrydragonslayer]

fascinating what drove me to quit was the LT rework followed by all the good LTs being nerfed into oblivion or being made into weird mediums

[@frankjandris6972]

So after you pass tier 5 a countdown should start then once your over idk 3000 games then the tech tree locks for that nation tier 3 and below. Something along those lines

[@sebc8627]

I started playing again recently, saw the obj452k in my first game, then I uninstalled agn

[@bennyok4725]

Wg has many, many, many problems. Instead of fixing any of them, those painfully incompetent and greedy pigs decide to fill the game with bloatware, release lootboxes, and ignore the community entirely. How this game is still alive suprises me entirely

[@Wetwilly87]

Played WoT when it just got released from beta. Played through the days of arty that could 1 shot you from the other end of the map. Went up against KV-2’s when it was a tier 5 and had access to the 107. The days before premium ammo was only purchasable with gold and trying to take down type 59s in a tier 6 using only regular ammo. The early days of this game was very fun and addicting, having to learn, memorize tank weak spots, the grind to high tiers seemed to be more rewarding because you learned the strength and weakness of that line. It all started to go down hill for me when they started releasing super fantasy tech tree lines for minor nations, the arty rework, and nerfing of tanks that made them unplayable. When WoWs came out, I decided to put my time and effort into that, and that game is slowly starting to become like WoT, only reason I keep playing it because it has co-op and Operations.

[@JohnJacksonFreeze]

I originally started World of Tanks ( and Blitz ) on 2018. When I started the PC version I stopped playing because I was getting curb stomped by people with more skill and knowledge than I do. Even now I play WoT on and off because I can't progress due to seal clubbers and the lack of any sort of help to learn how to play the game. The farthest I've gotten is tier V in six years. I do like WoT and play it from time to time, but I can't play it actively solely because of the low tier shitters who ruin the game for others. Thanks for making this video and further opening my eyes to how bad the new player experience really is. P.S. I hope Eric is doing well.

[@michealscott130]

The clan he was talking about is INVIL

[@astanisystems]

Might be. I play on EU, but even I have seen INVIL at work.

[@lncoming]

When (I forgot the context in the video lol)

[@VigilantAnarchism]

@@lncomingI believe he’s talking about the FCM Pak 40 story you were talking about in first 1/4 or so of this video 🫡

[@theknifesong]

yes INVIL players are disabled veterans

[@lncoming]

Don't remember what clan it was, but I know that wasn't it.

[@DarthContinent]

Quite effective gap filling! Please, do continue. 😀

[@midnightdanger5509]

The only times ive played low tier in wot is when i wanted to play funny vehicles like the tks, i remember playing that and going against a veteran t2 light (he had over 10k games in the t2 light), he was firing gold at me, a tks in the end i did kill him with it though

[@kidninja8331]

As a WT player I never realized it could be so much worse

[@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged]

nothings really worse than warthunder

[@joncouch6981]

That KV-2 kill you got reminded me of a match I had a few years ago in the chinese IS-2 I was top tier on Karelia and got to the corner of the mountain early and sat for a second to see if I could get some shots on people A STUG came into view and I fired, killing him instantly, and after the brief "Hell Yeah" moment of getting a one-hit kill I just kinda felt bad Dude drove for like 45 seconds then got clapped by someone he probably couldn't see. Super fun gameplay loop

[@swedihgame]

As a War Thunder player (i fo play WoWS sometimes and have played WoT) i can personaly say that this is not exclusive to WoT but it exist there too and i can sympathize with you guys. some problems are just WT or WoT specific but the seal clubbing and no to bad tutarial for new players is a thing

[@Klaudett]

finally, a second WoT youtuber who is able to speak on point without sounding like XQC or moistcritikal i mean not like you have much competition, the other one is literally chems

[@tonster181g]

I've played 70k games and tried to get a friend to play. He played twice with me and said basically its too complex. This was with me spotting for him, pinging the map where to fire, and basically allowing him to be a tank destroyer regardless of class. Without me he would have lasted until he platooned with someone or his protection against seal clubbers expired. I haven't played much lately due to abominations like the BZ-176 and the arty focus; if you are good you get focused, if you are bad you get wrecked. Something has to change.

[@insertparanoia6090]

I quit the game after the clear lack of care, power creep of premiums and lootboxes being introduced into the game. I think the last line that I recall coming out was the Czech heavies and the BS artillery stun changes. Honestly I loved this game and I guess you could say I still do, but man every time I have an itch to come back I remind myself of these problems and how they've gotten worse probably now. Most "the game is dying" videos like you mentioned have the same issue, they fail to address the importance of incoming new players to the ecosystems. While wargaming flushes out their veteran players with the aforementioned problems of monetization/powercreep/imbalances/unfairness, they fail to gain new ones, and that ultimately kills the playerbase, and you are 100% on point, people need to realize this more, great video. I doubt wargaming will ever change and I'll never be back until they do

[@DouglasMeloche]

just wish I could do 5v5 whenever I want. Most of the maps do not accommodate LARGE engagements, and it's a LOT more exciting to tactically navigate smaller engagements

[@404-ThisUsernameIsAlreadyTaken]

One of the ideas I had a long while ago with the Gold Ammo problem was to either restrict the amount you could carry (say, 10% to 25% of the total ammo capacity of your tank), and/or to make it do less damage. Make it a tactical option of "I need to pen this tank to do SOME damage" instead of the default choice for many. Unfortunately WG just refuses to nerf anything that can or could be bought with gold, with rare exceptions.

[@BureszGoat]

All my respect to you! You captured the essence of the problem and shared it with us. Thank You! (Google translator...)

[@laythmejbel9701]

Just to be fair, in the pre match loading screen, I saw a game tip that shoes a Maus angling it's armor and it took me years to understand what that meant 😅

[@jatzi1526]

That's wild cuz when I played it in like 2011 and 12 it seemed like common knowledge

[@D8W2P4]

@@jatzi1526 People where genuinely smarter back then and had far better observational skills. It's much of why I just can't handle multiplayer games anymore because of how nerve dead from the neck up people are now.

[@thearmouroflight6954]

I remember you from the discord, talking about your script for this video. Hah. Good video by the way

[@7g3db]

I don't know how your channel made it to mine but I agree with you 100%

[@arkroyal1598]

Used to play WoT 8 or so years ago, and on occasion download it to see how much shittier its become, basically switched over to WT after quitting WoT all those years ago, best decision ever

[@galaxlordcz3933]

I've played the game on and off since about 2014, and to this day I can not understand how I come across people with more battles in one tank (mostly leFh, some of the OP tier 5 tanks and off course most other artys), the arty I kinda understand, since there is a very limited ammount of them in the game, and like 90% play the exact same so eventually you just find your favourite one, but for normal tanks it's insane. I have my favourite tanks, some of which are lower tier, but I can't even imagine playing them for 2000 games, and many of these people have like 4 times that.