World of Warcraft Classic First Impressions

[@howardhavardramberg333]

omfgcata is that you?

[@jessecox]

Hey :)

[@howardhavardramberg333]

@@jessecox miss those whimsical days

[@axiiom5744]

@@jessecox "I'm GONNA PUNCH THAT DRAGON IN THA FACE" Physically cannot read that line in any voice other than yours.

[@Erthshade]

More like omfgclassic with this video.

[@wilkic2]

Mr Crowley, dun dun dun!

[@edhz143]

Omfgcata. TotalHalibut. Yogscast. HuskyStarcraft. Dooger in her Boxxy days... Those were the days.

[@MrMeinheld]

I still miss TB :(

[@jesperjohansson6959]

@@MrMeinheld It's been a year since he passed next week I think. Feels like an eternity without him. Would've loved to hear his take on classic since he quit because of the direction Cata took.

[@bluestormpony]

i miss TB.... a lot the games industry feels wrong without him

[@IsAcRafT]

The good Ol' Days.

[@acolyte1951]

it was so fun then!

[@Haruka_May]

Not even a WoW fan but there's something charming about listening to someone talk about something they really enjoy.

[@sheeshore]

Right? I like seeing Jesse having a good time.

[@taylenday]

You have a Japanese porn star name.

[@TheGous]

Weird

[@bestboy897]

Tru

[@jessecox]

LMAO... I totally didn't see chain heal. It's there. Oof. I'm a dummy. But I hope the point I'm making is still apt.

[@Calios]

Jesse Cox + Resto Shaman = Instant hilarity

[@Gunbudder]

Just remember rank 4 is always better than rank 5, scrub lol

[@Slade1135]

No sweat, man. Things are drastically different. I realized just how large a gap there is for some players when I spoke with a guildie in mumble a few weeks ago. I had to try to explain to them that unlike current WoW and seemingly most MMOs these days you didn't start as one specialist class that then specializes further and gets handed a coherent kit. No, from level 1 to level whatever, you have this whole toolbox of abilities and are the same as every other [your class] BUT your talent selection can suddenly make some moves way better or give you new moves that suddenly lead you into a rotation or style of play. Mages in pvp could afford to fake enemies out with baiting a kick into arcane missiles only to reveal they're frost and going to murder you by abusing the different school lockouts. Some rogues might use a weird-seeming niche split spec just to gather the right tools for how they wanted to escort a flag carrier or gank any potential flag takers. Times were crazy, but in very different ways.

[@ultraderpus]

@@Slade1135 split builds and fine tuning talent choices is something I've missed ever since the "overhaul"

[@funvidman]

You getting Pride back for an episode of Classic??

[@trise2033]

So what you're saying is: playing with friends is like having friends.

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

Yeah, no shit. "Well, I played this horrible, clunky mess with friends and we had fun because we're friends." If that's the best thing about Classic he could say, it's not a good forecast.

[@Creohan]

@@ArakkoaChronicles First of all, he didnt say those words and nothing close to them. That's your paraphrasing. Second, classic wow is a game ten times better than retail. And as time goes by and it will launch, you will see what Im talking about.

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

@@Creohan Everything good he says, is how good it felt to play with friends. He says absolutely nothing positive about the game itself. In fact, the only times he comments about the actual gameplay, it's negative (like how "it will be an entirely different video if he starts to talk about soloing"). So it's Jesse trying to be diplomatic and emphasizing the one good thing he could talk about, because he didn't want to be negative, because he's Jesse Cox. Also, I have to nothing about "Classic being ten times better", other than LOL. It's a clunky, unbalanced, frustrating mess that only got so popular because everything before it was *so much worse*.

[@Mitheyx]

Can't wait to watch your OMFGClassic videos. I loved watching yours, Totalbiscuit's, and the Yogscast's Cataclysm videos from ages ago

[@FancyTophatDude]

Man yeah, that's how i got into watching all of these guys ages ago.

[@Timmir00]

That takes me back. It is honestly how I ended up discovering all three of them back in the day.

[@RavenBlack74]

Yogscast's Wrath was so much better kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5e9gX6paZmboc0 Watch from 8:45 and try not to laugh!

[@finncaudle2585]

(queue early arrival joke) Last time I was this early, you were still OMFGCata.

[@furydeath]

It's time to ask the murloc!!!

[@fujoyoshi4368]

i wasnt even aware he wasnt anymore

[@Wolfman6999]

I'm not saying i want a twitch series where Jesse and Crendor level characters in Classic, but...

[@Enigma2Me]

Dear god, Crendor's never gonna finish his leveling at this rate if he did this XD.

[@Vyomesh839]

Together with Nixxiom

[@hummingbirdcity]

I DO I DO!

[@icresp4263]

Honestly man you and TB were the first KZbin channels I subbed to. When you guys stopped doing wow content I stopped watching, but never unsubbed because I loved you guys. Great to see you again my dude!

[@daishi711]

Same....

[@TheJakeSweede]

this made me think of TB as well. RIP, seriously miss him so much.

[@cras17]

Not sure he would be into classic or not but I would love to hear him talk about it. He is so missed.

[@christiangasior4244]

I didn’t realize he actually died until yesterday. I don’t know how I missed that.

[@davidblaine9920]

omg jesse and crendor lvling in classic is gonna be so funny

[@Luxer1996]

Crendor should get his f*cking hunter to max lvl first. It's been years.

[@TheNinjacanadian]

it has taken over 5 years for crendor get to like lvl 80 on live

[@ainumahtar]

Crendor just needs an IKEA reskin for the game and a manual where to go when to pick up what items ^^

[@MirukuESO]

Makes me sad TB will never be able to experience it all over again would've been great to listen to you guys talk about it on the podcast at some point :(

[@Killercoldice22]

TB? the burning crusade? If thats what you ment, they are going to do TBC again after Vanilla. They've kind of already said they will do it if vanilla is successful. Which it will be. Wrath we dont know tho. TBC will come after vanilla tho

[@maxg6040]

TB will play with us from heaven. 0 Ping and endless FPS...

[@ConstantineIII]

The FOV slider will be perfect

[@GeneralProfessor]

In heaven fov sliders have their own fov sliders.

[@Canma890]

feels

[@brandon34344]

Max G who’s that ??

[@Towelliee]

I haven't had that much fun playing with friends in a LONG TIME. It was just yelling and cracking jokes and we all just had smiles on our faces. Jesse best healer NA. Moonberry Juice flows through his veins

[@jessecox]

It felt good :) Also I think I have Moon Berry diabetes now...

[@Hyperionl10]

Get tipsy on mix of Moonberry Juice and Morning Glory Dew, listen to Nyhm songs and think I'm gangster while I play my Paladin just like WoWhobbs, but I'm wearing Resto Leather/Mail gear when I heal because Holy Plate has literally the worst itemization in the game from launch all the way to the end of Wrath.

[@Aj9Livess]

" I knew I wouldnt like it, I sat down ready not to like it, and there I was liking it" More people need to hear that because if peple just open themselves to the possibility of enjoying it, I really think they will. Glad you had a good time Jesse :D

[@LuckySmurf]

I won't and here's why: When Blizzard started shutting down those private servers, the so called fans of WoW came to the forums to vent their anger and bitch and moan about how Blizzard could do such a thing (never mind that Blizzard is well in their right to protect their own IP and in fact were legally obligated to do so). Some of those so called fans even went as far as to hope ill on the company itself. And what did Blizzard do? They _rewarded_ those same people with the Classic servers and while simultaneously started screwing people over with retail WoW with bullshit decision after bullshit decision. So no I'm not going to touch Classic with a ten foot pole. Not when BFA smoldering crater of some dev's shitty GoT fan fic.

[@savagecarnivore4699]

I literally had this same conversation with my wife about anal

[@Kaya4114]

Oh the days when you had less than 10k subs and you were making an interactive map of cata... I am one of your first subs and its nice to see you return to your roots. I am also glad Classic is as good as I remember. TY for this video and review. This is the kind of content I subbed you for ;)

[@Wolfstorm701]

God that brings me back...

[@17Haru17]

I also found Jesse’s channel during the Cataclysm beta, but I grew out of WoW years ago. I realized it was a game literally built to be grindy to waste your time and squeeze money out of its players. It’s far more rewarding to try a variety of new games than to toil away on some MMO for years of your life.

[@teydor878]

Kaya, I love your fics!

[@Kaya4114]

@@teydor878 heh, thank you xD I am surprised you recognized me. (granted this is my handle for everything xD)

[@teydor878]

@@Kaya4114 , are you kidding me? :D you were like №1 author on totalcox! Go mystling migration!)) (still wait for you to finish it, even if it's not with the same characters)

[@OlGilly]

Jesus christ, big blast from the past to OMFGcata days, man its been a journey Jesse, big love man. ♥

[@jclark2882]

Man.. my dude... haven’t played wow since burning... your making me want to play this again. Enjoy your bliss it’s awesome!

[@GamzaLive]

Time to bring back my holy paladin wearing cloth gear for that intellect!

[@andrewshewan4551]

Holy shit it's Gamza

[@samisuhonen9815]

There is way more suspense when you don't have the hectic ability spam. When you fight a mob that's a bit over level, pop your evasion as a rogue and hope you can dodge enough hits to survive. When you're about to gouge the mob so you can bandage and backstab, and just feel the pressure of "this has to land or I will die". It is so satisfying when you hit that spell. It is so satisfying when you get that one crit heal when you're almost oom and the tank really needs it. There is less going on, so the things that are going on feel more meaningful, and you can really take it all in. There aren't 3000 azerite procs and random effects happening all at once, while your class puts out 10 damage numbers per second causing you to have no clue about what the fk is even going on.

[@PapaEmeritusII]

You got it buddy. Sometimes less is more. The game is currently a cluster fuck and i cannot wait to go back to classic.

[@Protagonistish]

I started playing vanilla wow on a private server about 1,5 years ago - quit six months ago about half way through Naxx as our guild was struggling with people using the guild as a stepping stone to the faster clearing guilds. Regardless. The leveling process was something i dreaded when i started because i remembered it as long and cumbersome. To some extend it also is. But in away it is an increadible relief from some of the instant satisfaction, no sense of achievement that prevails in retail. It often feels like the leveling process in retail is there just because it used to be (with character boosts it seems developers agree). But leveling in classic gives you something else. You remember how big the world is as you travel around questing, you feel like an adventurer again. You realize a sense of danger in the game as most classes are unable to handle more than two mobs at a time - and some areas have quick spawn rates, closely placed agressive mobs and so on. So you feel like there is some hardship to avoid in the leveling process. Further even non-elite quests can be insurmountable alone, and because of the long leveling progress and being bound to a single realm you will frequently find people in the area to take on these quests with. After having done the quest you might part ways, but meet up a bit later to do another quest your both on or even a couple of levels later. Eventually just the leveling progress becomes a part of the social interactions, and builds up your friendlist. You start sticking around areas where you just completed a particularly nasty quest, because someone else came along and you know how tough it was - and people will stick around to help you in such situations as well. The leveling progress is long as hell - took me 9 day of played to get to level 60 (Because of crafting as well) on a non pvp sever - and 10 days on the early stages of a pvp server because there was a lot of world pvp. I wager it can be done a lot faster if you skip professions - but for an average person that is prolly like 7 days played. But i actually didn't mind - because i seriously enjoyed the slow paced adventure sense. And trust me - i did not enjoy leveling back in the day - and i dreaded doing it. I will be enjoying the entire process again when Classic launches - and i can't wait.

[@viktorkardell9366]

I am from the next generation of players. I started in late Burning Crusade, when I was... 9? I also can't wait for Classic. I've wanted to play it ever since I played Nostalradius, which was so deeply enjoyable. I would therefore say that the whole thing is not just t he rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia. I just think it's a product that does different things now.

[@sgcandrewkard]

@9:00 is actually a really good point no one has ever brought up. The most often sited reason for players quitting the game (at least in the past). Was their characters changing too much. It is difficult for more casual players who don't go on wowhead or mmo-champion to respond to their character all of a sudden working differently every 2 months or so. A more consistent reliable experience over a year or so may be a huge boon to those who are less inclined to seek outside resources.

[@erinhaury5773]

Over-complication was the main reason I quit playing after Cata. I, for one, am very happy for the chance to go back to the beginning.

[@topanteon]

I'd like to see your source for that statistic.

[@sgcandrewkard]

I'm trying to find it but trying to google "reason for quitting wow" and similar searches just give results about BFA. From what I remember it was in the MoP/WoD era. When you unsubbed it would give you a little survey and ask why you left. And blizz stated the most common response was "my class is changing too much" or something along those lines. I know it's just conjecture, but I distinctly remember this but with all the BFA drama and it being half a decade old news it's nearly impossible to find.

[@Mythricia1988]

@@sgcandrewkard I think that was more of a whiplast effect from Cata -> MoP -> WoD specifically. A LOT changed in the game over those two expansions, it was crazy. But I don't really think that's true anymore, changes are a bit more subtle now. No worse than they'd be otherwise. Nowhere near the claim of every 2 months or so, it's more like every 2 years or so, your class changes somewhat. Which is to be expected. If people can't keep up with that, I wonder how they can keep up with anything what so ever.

[@johnedwards3489]

LFG was a huge blow to the game.

[@kadotomynash4]

Way too excited for this! I’m moving across the country and this is one of the ways I’m keeping in touch with my friends; I’m glad to hear it’s still a blast!

[@Lancor84]

"if you do it together with friends it is more fun" - applies to almost everything

[@GamerKey91]

Yep. The most broken, buggy games can be fun with friends. The worst movies ever can be fun with the right friends and a few beers. "It's great with friends" is not a good measure to judge entertainment media by.

[@Genome85]

I remember grinding mobs to level 40 (people were saying grinding was faster than questing), typing /played, seeing 4 days of playtime, and thinking how quickly I leveled. Also, farming the torturer in Scarlet Monastery graveyard for 20 silver per kill until I had 800g to buy an epic mount, which I then spent buying an arcanite reaper instead. Yeaaah I don't think I'm gonna do those things again. I'll probably just play it very casually.

[@laertesindeed]

@Genome Strange money making scheme you had..... when I was just starting out in vanilla way back when, I just went to the ponds in the barrens fishing up deviate fish and turning them into savory deviate delights....which I then sold on the auction house. I was basically earning 1 or 2 gold for every successful catch at the pond. So I had the money for both the normal mount training and epic mount training and normal mount itself and epic mount itself before I was even level 20. Obviously I moved on to more lucrative uses of my time thereafter.

[@ToaCody1]

"Where's my 'drop-all-Totems' thing?" I still vividly remember the day that function first released.

[@daicaghund3587]

Ya it was pretty amazing. They pretty much dont use totems anymore. Very disappointing where that class is now imo.

[@Wildchildinc]

Totally ready for The Crossroads is now under attack!! The Crossroads is now under attack!! The Crossroads is now under attack!! The Crossroads is now under attack!! The Crossroads is now under attack!! The Crossroads is now under attack!!

[@liftedguy]

...And then the chuck norris jokes start again.....

[@daicaghund3587]

@@liftedguy Those were the best.....

[@lithosd1747]

now this is a format i can get behind, really liked the video even if i don't play wow, it was interesting

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

this reminds me of when you meet an old frend you havent seen in years and think "will we still get along like we used to?" and when you meet him you get along perfectly.

[@RCorbzz]

Just when i thought i was out! THEY PULLED ME BACK IN!

[@Carriesue1982]

Nice to hear some WoW talk again and wow I’ve been here 9 years now, time flies when you’re having fun. :D

[@ALFedora]

I'm not the only one who gets whiplash whenever there's WoW content on this channel, am I?

[@Mystic_Christopher]

I was there... fifteen years ago... it was 2004.. in the beta, level cap was 14, I remember running with alliance folk to booty bay and standoffs at Tarren Mill. Wow..

[@Ranger10700]

Omfgcata is back, and what he has to say about classic wow will SHOCK you!

[@Baleur]

Classic WoW prank GONE SEXUAL, best daygame, SAME DAY LAY! Etc Etc

[@Arventuss]

This brings back some nostalgia in many ways. I remember your omfgcata vids and subbing to you, and from there you bringing back the urge to play WoW with how fun you just made it seem. Those were good times I had, and honestly this vid gives me the same feelings. I think I'll give Classic a try :D

[@gneemoebaggins3457]

Me and my wife gonna be looking for guild for classic we just need to know where all the old school players and guilds will be

[@isalenna6600]

It'll be nice to see the pre-cataclysm world again - that and being able to enjoy a more simple story, one that isn't constant end of the world scenario's after another.

[@erinhaury5773]

Hear, hear!

[@Marconius6]

I remember going to queue for my box copy of WoW after high school... in a blizzard, fittingly enough.

[@DragonZerul]

ooh i love stories like these! make me all fuzzy in ma feels

[@kopitarrules]

Jesse just have to say, in the vein of nostalgia, you are indeed one moderately funny gamer and those were some epic maneuvers" I saw, you do indeed make all the mojo.

[@AnAzsproduction]

Wow I remember when u were OMFGcata. I been a fan of you for such a long time

[@AFKBard]

Thank you for sharing your review. I am dying from anticipation. The second I heard this was a thing Blizzard was doing, I couldn't convince myself to go back and play the newer one. Old School WoW was my favorite and I cannot wait to play a priest and hunter again. Those were the glory days when you had to grind and grind for lvls, gold, and mounts. The dungeons were the best, and trade chat was THE place for making connections. BRING. IT. ON.

[@MrBadintentionss]

i'm with you. staying well away from the 'given, not earnt' newer WoW so that I can enjoy classic with the clean slate it deserves. bring on the nostalgia!

[@johnedwards3489]

The days when you actually had a reputation and needed to communicate with OTHER HUMANS

[@MarkHyde]

OMG Nostalgia feels. It was great back in the day to follow up on video content from you and TotalBiscuit - I miss John SOOOO much. Great reflections Jesse.

[@valyrian1124]

The Barrens chat, Chuck Norris jokes are coming back too!!

[@erinhaury5773]

I am so beyond excited for WoW Classic. I quit playing after Cataclysm for the exact reasons you mentioned in your video: things got too complicated. I got into WoW because I loved the lore of the RTS games and loved the idea of a Warcraft RPG, not because I wanted overly complicated raids (and super-raids) with a tedium of buttons on my hotbars. It just stopped being a fun, relaxing experience. I can't wait to jump back in and play a TRUE multi-class dr00d again!

[@transfertransfer986]

Actually i tot Vanilla WoW was much more complicated compared to Modern WoW. Correct me if im wrong, WoW may seem complicated now with many buttons, but the mechanics are pretty dumbed down and straight forward with all that automation. In vanilla WoW you actually have to read guides on completing a quest, find a party group yourself etc it feels more immersive. Everything of that was taken away in the modern WoW by the convenience of a click of a button.

[@gixG17]

So you thought you didn't, but you did. Imagine that.

[@Dezarc]

gix what are you doing here man been watching your lets plays since 2009, didn't expect to see you commenting on a WoW video

[@gixG17]

@@Dezarc I was a HUGE Blizzard fan back in the day. WoW was my 2nd game addiction (next to the original Diablo) and I unsubscribed to WoW back in WotLK (and focused most of my attention on the Elder Scrolls series... hence my LPs in 2009) when I realized that the quests weren't crafted as well as they used to. The phasing tech, the various tokens/currency needed for upgrades, the quest dialogues, the quests where you play as Arthas (instead of your own character)... it all felt wrong to me. I am legitimately excited about WoW Classic because, while I might not like all of the expansions that came after BC, I'll finally be able to have a fun experience in Azeroth again.

[@TenshizakiN008]

Memories flooding back. The good days. Thank you for an honest look at this, Jesse.

[@SirMcFrosty]

God I still love that outro, RIP my man.

[@MelvinDorkus]

i even love that you clicked for authenticity. im glad you enjoyed it, cant wait to play it!

[@Cozy90X]

So glad jessie pulled a 180 on this.

[@AbyssalDrake88]

I'm stoked even more now, Jesse, your enthusiasm is infectious!

[@Ryusola]

Im smiling, you understand now. Its not just...going back to how it was. The game is an entirely different thing now, having both I think is a wonderful idea.

[@Norrikan]

Well, I for one don't have the time anymore to stand in Ironforge and spam for an UBRS key.

[@joshuastephens4550]

Vanilla is not about the end game, don't rush to do UBRS :) Take it slow and enjoy the journey.

[@lindseyariegel7703]

I started playing on a legacy server and I adore it. I missed vanilla.

[@markosmartong434]

I'm still hesitant about "going back" there. I'm happy with the memories (the good and the bad) of that time.

[@MisterDragon]

I'm still profoundly sceptical As somebody who played classic, way more than any person should.

[@unlimitedpower978]

At the end of the day, leveling can be a big deal breaker for a lot of people. It can get kinda bland. But I find the progression of the character in classic far more meaningful and noticeable than in the game now. So it's satisfying from that perspective. And running dungeons with friends on Discord or whatever is always fun. I dunno. I think it's worth a shot but I'd totally understand if people got tired of it before they really got their character developed to the point of being fun. It can be tedious. I've leveled 3 60's in my life, one in original vanilla, and 2 on private servers. And it can be tough. A fun class will carry the day, but sometimes that might not be enough.

[@Lighthammer18]

I seriously doubt the people who really played vanilla a lot will return to Classic. It's mainly for the guys who played a bit of it or not at all.

[@Gamespud94]

Agreed, Jesse found it fun but that was a short experience where they got to relive the glory days and play the game a completely different way... playing this frequently and running dungeons every other day.... that's gonna get old quick.. not to mention leveling and the "fun" of getting to 60. Some will enjoy Classic, many will enjoy dipping their toes and maybe reliving some things, but I doubt many will actually invest much time in it. Good on you though the ones who do, more power to you.

[@wittyreviewer]

@@Gamespud94 Right. The difference here is Jesse was with a group of friends in an isolated experience, that's not accurate. The majority of the time in ye olden days was solo. Personally I look forward to people reacting to raids, where you need 40 people. That's going to be fucking astounding.

[@waking00one]

@@wittyreviewer the most fun part is gonna be when theyre gonna do them with like 10 people since we have perfect info on everything now lol

[@ruggedlemmings9163]

All I remember from Vanilla was spending a good hour and a half farming up soul shards before raids, then getting drunk for 4-6 hours during said raid to the point where I don't remember the second half of most raids. :3

[@hewhoentertains4859]

Will i be able to play WoW Classic and retail at the same time? That would be godlike.

[@Five050]

Yes. You sub to WoW, you get both.

[@thenecron97]

I'm so happy that you were impressed by Classic. I miss your WoW days and can't wait to see what you do/if you do anything with Classic on this channel or your Twitch. You go, omfgclassic!

[@Umbra451]

Now this is the kind of Cox I want in my ears!

[@spaldychops]

I remember buying my Battle Chest of Amazon...man I miss them days. I loved Lich and would love to go back. I'm glad they made it so you can level almost anywhere now.

[@Bloodslawx]

YOOOO OMFGCATA IS BACK!!!!!

[@MrAgiordano78]

I think the biggest thing about Classic WoW is the social/grouping aspect. If you plan on jumping into Classic and steamrolling everything by yourself, don't bother. You MUST look to interact with the population, or you'll be in for a world of pain/struggle. And also there's actual CHALLENGE to the game (albeit on a somewhat simpler level vs. current content), even when you're in a group. Plus, if you're truly interested in end-game (MC and beyond), expect to put a LOT of time into the game farming precursor gear, crafting, etc. All of it could be fun, if you're at a point in life where you can still put in 20 to 40 hours of gameplay in a week! I'm not, so I'll probably be looking for a very social, but very casual guild.

[@sofialaya596]

wow nowadays even encourages going solo sometimes lol

[@TheRealAkion]

Did someone say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Wind Seeker]?

[@crane8819]

It's funny that just a few years ago people at Blizzard would talk about how no one would want to go back and play old games like vanilla WoW and Warcraft 1 because they're too outdated but now they're releasing them. I guess they realized there actually _is_ a market for these games. Classic WoW is the only thing that has made me consider resubbing in years. At least I wouldn't have to deal with Sylvanas being warchief, we'd have the old, i.e. good, Thrall back lol.

[@erinhaury5773]

Lok'tar ogar!

[@doctor_b2802]

Ngl, I may resub just for this. It's been over 2 years since I've played any Blizzard IP.

[@AlephGrey]

There's that trope about going back in time, knowing what you know now. We can't do it in real life, but this would be the next best thing. I can see why it would be alluring.

[@Scrumshiz]

"You didn't feel like you had 50 million things on your bars like current WoW" [checks spellbook with 7 ranks of Healing Wave] ...k

[@jessecox]

The difference, which I think I ramblingly tried to explain is that they are the same heal at different levels. And it's about knowing which to use based on your party skill and mana. You're clearly not putting all of them on your bar.

[@Amrehlu]

But, one of the main complaints now is how many abilities they took away from us and how bare things feel. (Referring to live)

[@CottidaeSEA]

@@Amrehlu Taking away things will often feel that way. I think MoP was the expansion that felt the best in terms of combat/rotations personally. There were loads of useless skills though, and those I wouldn't mind if they removed or merged with something else, but when they remove complexity in my actual rotation, that just leaves a bad taste.

[@Elementroar]

@@jessecox But at end-game raiding, it's kinda meta again with downranking your heals for efficiency, and I think there were clear ranks that were considered the 'best' in terms of efficiency. It's still 'simpler', but also just as much needing to know the meta at that level. Also it's a pity that in classic, the specs that were clearly written off, like Survival Hunter, are still written off. I was a TBC Feral bear-tank, and I know that vanilla is even more bare for a bear.

[@Amrehlu]

@@CottidaeSEA Agreed. Which is kinda why I can't really understand how anyone could look at spell ranks positively. It is just an outdated and very lazy system. There is no complexity to it... no rotational choices, less/no situational choices. The idea of saving mana by using weaker versions of things is just the illusion of complexity. Now we have an array of spells that heal differently; deliver the heal differently (Zone, AoE, Chain, HoT, Absorb, Direct, On-Hit, Stockpile & Dump, Cleave ect and in Classic some of those don't exist) deliver the heal more slowly but for cheaper, deliver less more quickly but at a higher cost, deliver to different amounts of targets, some smart target while others are prone to waste if you aren't using them efficiently. Plenty of complexity, and almost all of it is non-existent for Classic. Classic reminds me of what a mobile game trying to be like WoW, would be.

[@joeypurp8179]

I honestly cannot wait to have a video series of yours I can watch regularly again

[@VaultCon]

Wait so is classic even more simple than release? I'd heard that Wow had been dumbed down and pruned over the years and that classic was a much more complex game, is that not right? (i only joined in legion btw) The stuff he talked about here with healers is the exact content that i like in modern WoW, healing through difficult dungeons was the only actually engaging content i found, different heals for different situation, re positioning, mechanics, getting in damage when i could, the challenge is what makes it fulfilling to complete.

[@Twentiethrogue]

@@flaccgh8799 you mean like blance druid having 5% melee strike in the talent tree for no reason?

[@vradarx]

Classic is a joke in terms of difficulty and mechanics compared to any other expansion, people just view it with nostalgia and because they had no idea what they were doing so it was "hard". TBC was so much better than Classic and would hold up much better by todays standards than classic does.

[@03blaird]

@@vradarx It wasn't hard at all by today's standards! What made it hard back then was that there were no guides/youtube videos to guide you through every damn mechanic of the fight. Was alot of trial and error but not really "hard" mechanically. That and the broken classes,gameplay and requiring 40 people to raid were the things that made it seem hard.

[@VaguelySaneGaming]

I'm pretty stoked for Classic and your video honestly has me even more pumped for it, the sheer enthusiasm you have for the game is infectious 😁👍

[@northstar6920]

Selling thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker!.

[@DefOni]

in b4 its BoP

[@Shdinexus]

@@DefOni /woosh

[@Brutalyte616]

Right now, TB is probably laughing and smiling right along with Jesse and all of his other friends. And yelling at them whenever they screw up...

[@TooShots]

You are smoking crack if you think live has more abilities than classic

[@DocsMistake]

Man Jessie just makes me smile when he talks about stuff he loves, he is just so excited. It is contagious

[@RumandCocaine]

Nice sponsor intro, sure ive played all the expansions but i always play like 2-3 months when they release, how someone old player play these new expansions straight? Vanilla bc wotlk was the time i played most

[@PeanutButterGamer]

Glad to see you on the Classic Hype train!

[@michaelferguson1514]

Played on a classic server like ~1.5 years ago, actually had a really good time.

[@daicaghund3587]

@mdx That was one of many Private servers that forced Blizz to get off their asses and bring it back? Ya one of those.

[@Pasakoye]

Make sure you get free staff damage in while regening mana or after a greater heal if you can. The instant damage really helps. Warriors, Demoralizing Shout kicks ass. Apply it first. Also remember parrying lets you swing sooner, so demo shout and pull 2 mobs, get more parries per fight.

[@Pasakoye]

Melee tip: Stand behind the mob your tank attacking so they don't parry reset your tank to death. You can't be parried or blocked behind the mob. Can still be dodged.

[@Sith9890]

"friends make an MMO better" breaking news

[@waking00one]

Have to fill the absolute lack of solid gameplay with something.

[@Pivotwrath]

@@waking00one I hope you are kidding

[@yangwang861]

the best thing about the classic WOW is that you make new friends on the way so easily. It is kinda impossible to go a long way without meeting anyone you can quest and battle together.

[@ZeoCobra]

To me Classic wont be the same without WoWRadio to keep me company on the long road trips across Azeroth.

[@DragonZerul]

Yo the podcast is still out there. How about reliving that sweet old TB radio voice as you're playing and reliving that sweet old classic game?

[@themasterkey3]

Its not rose tinted glasses man, Classic is a gem in the MMORPG genre. Every doubter has come full circle after playing for a short amount of time. I never believed I would have enjoyed playing Classic again on a private server, let alone re-setting and doing it all over again, but I did. Each time I loved it. Its brings back what an ACTUAL RPG is with a vibrant, large, and alive world and community. WoW these days doesn't actually feel like an MMO, or an RPG. It also doesn't feel rewarding or difficult. All praise Classic WoW's genius.

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

Yeah playing a pally again just to be forced to heal in a raid? Miss me with that life.

[@unlimitedpower978]

At the end of the day, no one is forcing you to do anything. If you want to play ret, great. Just find players who are willing to play with you. The private server folks tend to be super min/max oriented (I was one of them), but honestly, just get into a big guild of people you like and you'll be fine. If people like you, you can play pretty much whatever. Raid content isn't all that hard, tbh, you don't need to min/max.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@unlimitedpower978 Queue as DPS: 30+ min queue time. Queue as healer: 4 second queue time. Tell me more about how these games let you play how you want.

[@unlimitedpower978]

@@HighLanderPonyYT ...there are no queues in classic.

[@Brainscrawler]

There was a shaman addon that let you drop 4 totems at once when they were off the GCD. It let you choose your totems easier, too.

[@swivelskittle3926]

Seeding thy earth

[@zionich]

I am really enjoying the beta so far. The difficulty, having all my classes abilities, the OOM. Its just so much fun.

[@filipfenix]

many people will play solo vanilla and hate it. The game only works if you are part of a guild or strong community. the ONLY WAY. Unlimited debuff slots.

[@jodyboles8208]

eh does playing hunter count as playing solo though lol

[@Voodoomarii]

Jesse! Please, make more of these WoW videos! This brings back so many good memories! You're WoW videos are aways so cool, really make more of these!

[@Doogleraia]

Cue the preparation-rogue gank-fests in deeprun tram

[@DragonZerul]

better to just travel through blackrock spire amirite xD

[@Carson_Van_McUber]

I got a small group of guildies from classic that where a part of my 40 man raid guild. We are freaking going nuts waiting for this and are driving each other nuts in anticipation talking about it.

[@johnroyce8898]

Ladies and Gentlemen...welcome back to OMFG.fms look at World of Warcraft: Classic.

[@dan240393]

The thing about Rose Tinted Glasses is that they work. They're like the Placebo Effect. Their basis may be delusional, but their subjective effects are "real". You take a placebo pain killer and it does nothing chemically, but you feel better because you've taken something; that effect is the same as the effect that a real, functional painkiller has. You play a "bad" game, see it through Rosey Glasses and really enjoy it; that effect is the same as playing a genuinely "good" game and really enjoying it.

[@spartan1337la]

This takes me back to building my first pc to play wow ahaha this looks really dang good

[@RaawHax]

I didn't ever try a raid until WotLK, and I found out I was limited to 10-man raids, because my fps dropped to 10 in 25s lol

[@Vozaty]

Sorry Jesse but I think blizzard set you up with a "its better with friends" experience. I'd be eager to see if your reaction is the same when you're 3 bosses into BRD and your healer leaves the group.

[@jessecox]

good thing I'll be the healer ;)

[@Spyro2292]

you speak so highly of how WoW has grown and adapted, and yet we have a huge content drought right now. again. screw BFA gimmie classic back please! I played it back in the day as a kid, got all the way to 60. im gonna do it again.

[@waking00one]

What, blizzard completely unable to provide a steady stream of content, something they've been promising for a decade? Shocked, i tell ya.

[@NickyNiclas]

I don't know why but this video made me feel like someone was cutting onions. Strange. So many awesome memories.

[@TSIXGaming]

only bfa garbage shills would doubt vanilla, the mona lisa of mmos we dont want 2006 post-nerf catchup difficulty on launch tho

[@Elizabelle79]

What you said about there being too much stuff now and it makes you all stressed and you don't know what to use and if you don't know the fight you're screwed... made me feel SO MUCH BETTER coz I have been playing since Burning Crusade and I thought I was just getting worse at tanking, so gave it up for DPS... I thought I was the only one! This is what it sounds like... when doves cry.

[@LordHypnos4]

I think a lot of people are going to take the rose colored glasses off right around level 35

[@Zangelin]

I know exactly what you mean. Back during Vanilla i knew soooo many people who never got past 35.