World of Warcraft's Old Gods Explained

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

If you liked the content leave a like, comment and share. If you've been around the channel for a while you know this has been a long time coming. I finally made the follow up to Sporemound theory and now (Or at least for now until something changes) I can say if you want to know my thoughts on what the old gods this is the content to watch. P.S Yes I am working on things related to the shadowlands but I still have research to do.

[@MrSoulcreek]

do you have your own discord or twitch? or another way to get in contact? my Warcraft lore part of my brain runs haywire when watching your videos, so I wanna be part of the overall discussion xD

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@MrSoulcreek He often hangs out in the shinies and luckydos discord. The link for this discord can be found in the shinies and luckydos chanell.

[@timmayboi120]

The best speculation content on youtube, and some of the best in general. Thanks Duck

[@nino__2997]

Mark these words

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you.

[@shadowgamer4306]

@rey398469 Remember that what you have just stated comes from The Chronicle which is said to have been written from the perspective of The Titans and those who served them. The Old Gods are still an enigma.

[@richardguerra-moreno8994]

I can't believe I am just not finding this channel, love the speculations and so far they look to have been spot-on.

[@tylormcdaniel6986]

#1 Keep Em Coming!

[@MrSoulcreek]

my man, it is almost 4 am... OKAY lemme listen to your qwacks!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Sorry was like mid in day where I was. At least it not a few hours this time round.

[@wthrmn87]

Thank you duck!

[@electricmayhem8147]

wow, so much cool stuff put together. well done, once again.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@jontaylor4540]

I’ve been around since the crappy microphone and background noise, your channel is awesome bro and I hope you will continue to drop content throughout shadowlands, and don’t stop the long videos I love every minute, I’m a big pvp player but the lore speculation is what brought me to wow

[@HavocHounds1988]

Yep I've been subbed since the beginning too.

[@Rocker9861]

I’m totally down for a 3+ hour video!

[@blueeyedwanderer7078]

Great stuff as always!

[@skay1992]

So happy to find a video on WoW that doesn't start "Haaallo everyoneeeee--" I love nobbel and the work he does but it gets old

[@Anne231154]

Another intriguing vid. I look forward to these . Thank you.

[@mihaiursu9692]

Finally , more videos from Duck, been waiting for a long time 😁👍

[@EmLa-d9q]

Wouldn't the 5th "Old God" be Azeroth because it is almost certainly a play on the name Azathoth? The "Emerald Dream" fits as Azeroth/Azathoth's dream from which all life and pretty much everything in the wow multiverse comes from and the whole reason Azeroth is sleeping is because of the mythos of Azathoth - if she were to wake up, "reality" would end because it all starts from the "Dream aka Emerald Dream of Azeroth) also the fact that "reality" is put in the middle of everything in the Shadowlands cosmology chart and all the other forces around it are just forces that we know exist and there may be an infinite amount of other incomprehensible ones we just don't know of.

[@soplexus]

I love you'r videos!

[@mrtianflo7728]

Yay!!! NEW VID!🔥🔥

[@lazlonazario2499]

I always enjoy your videos soo much , Im a Great and big fan of Your Work , Keep Up going Hope all your dreams and wishes come true

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@shadowgamer4306]

Amazing video once again. I enjoyed every part of it. Keep up the great work!

[@takanuvabosconovitch6072]

i can see the Xalatath knife at the fifth old god image

[@Slayer4Deagle]

Good video, as always :)

[@ZzeaLoT711]

See thun?

[@robertdisbrow]

but like, i DO want two hours of archaeology discussion...

[@georgescuroxanacristina7938]

I don't mind the 3 hrs vid. Just add timestamps. The sound is better, but still needs improvement. The content is always good and enjoyable to listen to. One of the best wow lore speculation channel, the most consistently interesting.

[@LDaemontus]

Another amazing video as always! I definitely want to see what else comes out of the pet, mount and archaeology lore as time goes on!

[@shadowgamer4306]

You said that Mandragora was the initial form of Y’Sharay, but did we actually see any Mandragoras on Azeroth? I am more inclined to believe that the origin of Y’Sharay is similliar to what you proposed in Flames of Dawn.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I'll be honest at this point for me its a 50/50 of which could be the origin because both have enough evidence to be true and I can simultaneously can and can't find the link and the difference between Mandragoa and Serpents/Wind Serpents. But are Mandragora on Azeroth? Yes they are. They just don't have the same name. Check out the west coast of Vol'dun and you should find the Mandragora.

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 Thanks for this fun fact. I honestly did not know that there were creatures similliar to Mandragora on Azeroth.

[@BrettFairchild]

Honestly was disappointed, I miss my 3hr Dread Expanse duck rambles hahaha

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you and hehe

[@BrettFairchild]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 The one thing I was waiting for you to connect in this vid is the Old Gods draw to the world trees as a home and power source - because the "tentacles" over the void planets look like tree roots to me too, fits with the life connection, and also maybe explains how they get between dimensions

[@electricmayhem8147]

@@BrettFairchild there are roots up around Ulduar. I always thought that was interesting. Yeah there is definitely some kind of root/tentacle connection somewhere possibly maybe hopefully.

[@BrettFairchild]

@@electricmayhem8147 the rift of aln illustrates this perfectly, look straight up in the xavius boss room - root/ tentacles create the rift itself (in the world tree [which is afflicted by old god nightmare])

[@Mechail]

Can't remember if I said this to you before, but if you want to make long videos that can't be made into a single 10-20 min video, why not break it down into sections and release it as a series (e.g. part 1, etc) over a few days? Same sentiment as others here: best wow speculation vids imho.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you. I have considered that. I just find when ever I'm putting together theories, it all kind of needs to be there to make sense, and the parts in of themselves don't really hold up with out access to the others.

[@Mechail]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 I think there lies the challenge: are you certain it all has to be in one video? I think you can figure something out if you put your mind to it.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

@@Mechail You are correct there lies the challenge. I mean Dawn of the sun was in parts, but I chose to release that all as one because if I didn't a lot of that theory would have been incredibly disjointed. But yeah I'll hopefully figure something out.

[@astreanightfang2622]

okay... i would love to see the 2-3 hour video with the cross refrencing

[@HavocHounds1988]

There is more evidence to how large Grond was. The Seat of the Elements used to be his skull. Also the Colossi that have massive skeletons littered around Draenor came from parts of Grond when he was defeated, so yeah he was monstrous.

[@shadowgamer4306]

Agreed Grond was truly a massive creature.

[@LarryMerice]

4:01 "The vassal of life disguses treachery........Beware the eyes of green!"

[@jeffwilliams6213]

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[@thedreadexpanse3817]

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[@captainmoose2064]

Hey duck another amazing video been waiting for this one! Will have to catch up on discord someday, been busy irl. Since beta been wondering about maldraxxus and with the mention we may see “what happens to old gods when they die” I started to wonder if maldraxxus is the corpse of either an old god, or a spore mound type being infused with necromantic/ undead/ shadowlands/ anima magic whatever. I’ve been needing someone to shoot this topic off of, and your old spore mound video has such bad sound quality and your weird voice make it hard for me to re-watch for some other thoughts. There are too many similarities and I like the idea that they started as something small that infused with magic grew into the old gods, even if it contradicts what chronicle claims the old gods are or that they were “flung” from the void. There are too many times where small infections or corruptions are left unchecked until too late in the various worlds. Plus with the elements constantly battling each-other the “lesser” creatures would be easy to overlook until it was too late. That with the fact that a small grub can turn into a ghuun- style creature by devouring the essence of a loa, I’m sure they can devour elemental energy and at some point gaining power from the void to create their final form of the old gods. Anyways look forward to more videos, and I’ve been meaning to hit you up on discord since starting to do callings in shadowlands, but I assume you’ve seen the grey item from the reward bags you can get that verifies that there are 3 wolves connected to the shadowlands, almost confirming your 3 wolves theory?

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I know what you mean about Maldraxxus or technically the Maldraxxus. The thing about the zone though is that if I am not mistaken its specifically said that it was created by the first ones. That said I guess that could be an interesting twist. But anyway I guess a thing that does possibly relate the Maldraxxus to the Old God/Sporemounds is the another of the grey items. As in "the Pickled head" (from the the top of my head.) The flavor text says something along the lines in Maldraxxus the preservation of knowledge takes on and entirely different meaning." So I guess it is possible the Maldraxxus may be the corpse of something that supposed to be the defender of the shadowlands that eventually died and was reanimated in some fashion.

[@anabellabobcatz8142]

I think the silkstriders originating from silkworms is not as much of a leap as you make it out to be, when you consider the vastly different appearance of something like a mosquito from its larval origin. The opening clips of ZeFrank's true facts video on mosquitos actually look alot like the clip you have here of the silkstrider.

[@drudragon2614]

nice bro wb leggo

[@TheRealCeeJai]

Fun fact: according to the dungeon journal, Drest'agath is a *she*. Let that little fact fuel some wild speculation. XD

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Oh. That is an interesting fact.

[@bigchest4503]

Is C’thun pronounced see thun or k’thun?

[@nicolastambo9892]

Old Gods were created out of Azeroth, in the void by the void lords, launched around all the cosmo with the only mission to find and corrupt slumbering titan world-souls( planets with young titans souls), been Azeroth one of these and even said for the very one pantheon, the most powerful world-soul known in the universe.

[@makosh27]

Moaaar

[@RichardJamesStayAtHomeDad]

Please do a video on the hooded figures found as statues on portals

[@shadowgamer4306]

He already made a video about these statues.

[@holoceneevent4534]

Are they plants or were they thrown through space? you seem to have conflicting info based on other sources.

[@waynesimmons9359]

I always understood that in primordial times, the Old Gods slammed into Azeroth. If I'm understanding what you're saying that some of these old gods originate from creatures from Draenor? I'm wondering how that could be if Azeroth had no contact with Draenor creatures at the time of the Black Empire or before that. Correct me if I'm wrong!

[@holoceneevent4534]

other sources say they were thrown through space, i don't know what sources he's using here, but i think he's off mark.

[@PrickleFoxGames]

The void lords threw out the old gods and they travelled the great beyond for planets like Azeroth, some landed on other planets.. maybe one landed on Draenor and the Everbloom was the start or precursor to the old gods. So for example. when the old gods first landed on Azeroth it needed to create some form of life to then sink its roots deep into her and corrupt, and then with time comes FLESH, a creation of LIFE.

[@Shonenİmparatorluğu]

why you called the 5th old god figure 'G'hanir?

[@shadowgamer4306]

Did you watch the video?

[@HavocHounds1988]

I still think Xal'atath is the 5th Old God, but not the same as the other 4. I believe she was created in N'Zoth's image as his back up plan similar to how in later iterations on the Cthulhu mythos Cthulhu created a "secret daughter" named Cthylla. The description of Cthylla is too similar to the 5th Old God image in Chronicle, and even fits with how Xal'atath later on takes over the form of a dead Blood Elf. Let me just elaborate a bit, she is said to look like an octopus with wings, she is able to change the size of her wings at will and the number of arms she has as well, and the big one is that she is able to take on a humanoid form to walk among mortals. Tell me does that not sound quite a bit like Xal'atath? It was confirmed that the Drust as a people began with Gorak Tul in Kul Tiras, but the magic that he tapped into has existed for a very very long time.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Your right it does sound like Xal'atath. And yeah, the question I kind of had from watching that interview was, is that power supposed to related to Ardeweald specifically ? (As in Winter and Autumn) Or is it something else related to Winter and Autumn and that part of nature. And in a similar vein has anything tapped into that dark power or something like that dark power before the Drust?

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 Well remember Thros has been said to be part of the Nightmare.

[@buklao8000]

Is possible when first recreation of Azeroth was done, reason for this was because Zovaal get on Azeroth and created Old Golds??... and after that he was Jailed?.. hmm? Edit: Zovaal´s name xD

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Its possible. I guess the question I would ask is do you think the old gods are allies of their former creator and if not what would have caused that schism?

[@buklao8000]

​@@thedreadexpanse3817 If u this as ,,former creator´´ Zovaal then allies is not the right word. I would rather describe them as slaves.. ..This is just speculation > U did something and get your self on Azeroth, world full of life. World under control of order.. Titans. U cant find allies here, but u can infect some life and make something infected by Shadowmagic.. Old Golds. And they consume all life over Azeroth and Black Empire was born! haha xD Titans buildings for recreation didnt react (corruption), Watchers faild and Aman´thul did what he did.. U mean schism between Old Golds..?? Boring after all life was consume?? Need to supply ,,some´´ anima for allies in Shadowlands? In MoP Mantids did one think. They send on Pandas waves bugs and point was, only strong will survive and they will be worthy be in collective. And in this way will be collective every cycle more and more stronger. Maybe that's why they fought with each other even though their creator was the same. Edit: Lore correction

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

@@buklao8000 I meant to put master apologies. I also meant schism between the jailor and the old gods but as you mentioned they may have been slaves.

[@holoceneevent4534]

old gods were not created on azeroth, they arrived from space.

[@buklao8000]

@@holoceneevent4534 Realy? How can you know? Most info what we have as players... Is fake info from Titans soo.. 🤣

[@takanuvabosconovitch6072]

interesting archeology and biology research but i think they did not thought that far. Sadly.

[@shadowgamer4306]

The biggest mistake that the comunity does is underestimate the writers.

[@holoceneevent4534]

i dont understand what it matters, when we have canon that they smashed into azeroth from space

[@KnightofEkron]

Ngl, I wish WoW's lore wasn't so generic, so many interesting potentials that are never realized.

[@fumarc4501]

Plants, bugs, and fish… fairly basic/early life forms. Perfect for starting as a lvl 1 Old God in the making. What is dead may never die. Xal’atath never died.

[@electricmayhem8147]

so the old gods are the shadow and nature corrupting the holy naaru? got it, check.

[@Senio6667]

daddy duck

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:)

[@legendsaysrtzisstillfarmin7021]

Your accent is waaay too confusing. Ur not explaining it to ur homies or friends. Try to go slower and clearer. There are non native English speakers too

[@dexanqt]

"unlike the real world , world of warcraft has magic" - wrong , our real world has magic in it from smallest cells to planets , it's all magic

[@Wilma_Dickfit_huh]

take your meds

[@dvu4388]

and can you do spells?

[@MrThecomicbookhero]

Shut your muggle mouth

[@jonathannoble7657]

You're thinking harder than the people making the lore... Just stop