As far as I can tell, Conqueror and Thunderer are L2 battleships with a Vanguard-style bow, stern, and superstructure. Thunderer does look fun, despite the squishy armor. It does seem to be good at deleting overzealous destroyers.
@shankarshanaratnasabapathy20583 жыл бұрын
22:19 actually side scraping is driving up to a wall and basically going head on into it at a slight angle so to the enemy your armour is too deflective to pen. however, we did something similar to what happens in wows where we would park behind a rock or ridge where we can use gun depression but show only our turret (can only be done by well-armoured turrets) and either they hit the ridge/rock or the turret armour this was called going hulldown.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
Hulldown is an interesting idea for warships, since we don't have armour angling mechanics. Would require a flat arc though, high plunging fire would just lob. It might also be possible to abuse some of the broken hitboxes on the islands, where they don't match the textures fully. I've seen a USN CL (Brooklyn or Cleveland) on Golden Channel once, where they'd be poking only their forward turret out behind one of the corner islands, because any BB calibre would overpen their bows.
@shankarshanaratnasabapathy20583 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry yea hull down simply won't work due to the odd armour mechanics of this game fun concept tho
@mouth71373 жыл бұрын
22:20 I think they call what your doing is peek a boom where you hide behind something, pull forward, shoot and immediately reverse behind cover before they fire. Ships move way slower here but since shells take more time to reach you, it can work at long ranges.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
"peek-a-boom" - I'm stealing that.
@jediwarlord87183 жыл бұрын
The N3 battleship design had two triple turrets super firing forward in the tradition A and B format, behind that was a smallish superstructure, and right behind that was a third triple turret in what traditionally was the Q turret. The funnel and the aft superstructure came behind that. :)
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
They had some funky designs, starting out with basically the admiralty class, realising that their 50000t designs didn't fit anywhere, and trying to move the guns around everywhere to see if they could reduce weight. I think one of the drafts even did away with the superfiring B/X turrets, to save weight on the raised barbette armour. This is how you get Nelsons.
@jediwarlord87183 жыл бұрын
Haha they did indeed. I remember seeing the designs for the G3 N3 and wondering what on earth they were thinking. I have to confess, and I’ll probably be slaughtered for saying this, but I’m a big fan of the Nelrods. I think they’re some of the most beautiful battleships ever built.
@Redgamingdino40053 жыл бұрын
Did somebody say DD hunter? Because it can probably be one as a battle cruiser. Or just a one salvo triple fire kinda ship. Both options arnt that bad.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
She has a hydro, which is quite useful, and the rudder shift is excellent. The biggest problem when you're hunting DDs isn't so much the DD itself, but the fact that you're out in the open. Also, HE alpha strike is lower than on Conqueror, and you don't have a RR. Still, one of the better ships to go cruiser mode in.
@Redgamingdino40053 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry yeah definitely a bit easier to go cruiser mode in this ship because if the consumables and turn time. Still somewhat of a glass canon. Definitely a tier 10 vanguard.
@PaulfromChicago3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a K2 that's been through a Warspite rebuild. 8 gun 18" with a transom stem. Sketches: warshipprojects.com/2017/09/27/washington-cherry-trees-ii-part-3/amp/ The British 18"/40 was a very good gun, and it's a bit of a shame that we didn't get to see more of it. The Brits tried just about everything they could to blow it up in trials, but failed. Not too surprising, given it was the continuation of the 13.5"/45 and 15"/42. An impressive series of guns that probably would have out performed it's 18"/45 successor, which was a faster shell, but about 20% lighter.
@gr31233 жыл бұрын
Can you please show what happens when you are DD and get a clean undetected shot on an AI CVN. Maybe a tips vs AI clip. It drives me nuts how they just instantly start driving at 30 knots and evade
@whyyoumadbro23703 жыл бұрын
19:54 The Alsace is a friend of mine :D. Though he recently quit fully and disappeared :(.
@briangregg858111 ай бұрын
What about Nelson with the IFHE bonus with this ship?
@henrydemarco91692 жыл бұрын
How many coins you have😮
@chuckk47223 жыл бұрын
ROFL, Terry, after you pointed out the design flaw of the stern mounted AA suites…🤣🤣
@briangregg858111 ай бұрын
Does having Nelson with the IFHE skill bonus help?
@LiteBosmark11 ай бұрын
Not really because St Vincent exists and is better in basically everything
@schroneger8008 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact(maybe not so fun): IRL, both Thunderer and the Conqueror were supposed to be ships of the Lion-class
@HarkonWolf3 жыл бұрын
Exactly is an upgrade form the vanguard totally agree.. The thunderer in pc is one of those ships op as hell.. like the Alaska but not sure how she ll work on blitz format... vanguard is awesome in her tier.. maybe thunderer can be awesome to... but t10 have a different way most the time.. good review Terry
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a huge fan of supercruisers, like Alaska, in top tiers. The role of "cruiser killer" can perfectly well be performed by battleships or the more dangerous heavy cruisers, and they have armour that can't withstand the calibres of shells you encounter, while not having the manoeuvrability to counter them.
@Makizander3 жыл бұрын
Hello Can we get review of Yorck or nagato or soviet cruisers ? And what do you guys think of wichita ?
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
Nagato: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2G8f4WjnLKnfrs
@Makizander3 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry thank you i somewhat overlooked it
@David-qp9bq3 жыл бұрын
Trying to creep up on a British battleship, as weak as they are it's mostly never a good idea because if their HE
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
it's not just the good HE, but also the fact that they have HE loaded by default. That switch has made things hugely more ... interesting ... for DDs, before that, when they came with AP preloaded, you'd often see many players not realising that they should be firing HE.
@Makizander3 жыл бұрын
The moment when i saw brithish bbs are weak when i brawled T7 rn BB with T6 fuso and won 😂
@asllen33102 жыл бұрын
the current Thunderer reload is 17.50, I don't know if its real or not
@mohammedaljanaby7212 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone please tell me which is the best tier X battleship and TX battle cruiser and TX cruiser?
@RNLittorio2 жыл бұрын
wait I actually thought that angling is a mechanic in WOWB just like the pc version... so angling in wowb is just useless lol
@FunandGameswithTerry2 жыл бұрын
Well, not entirely. While there is no difference in effective armour thickness, or autobounce / overmatch mechanic, you can still reduce the amount of hits you're taking by presenting a smaller target, especially against ships with a pretty wide horizontal dispersion. But yeah, that's one of the reasons ships like Petro don't work particularly well in Blitz.
@sego50923 жыл бұрын
Um, HE citadel are possible? Amazing video though my freind
@gladr66873 жыл бұрын
Yes he citadels are possible (Death from above video shows him citadelling)
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Citadels depend on the penetration - AP has the highest, followed by SAP, then HE. For the RN BBs, the gap between AP & HE is smaller (lower than usual AP pen, higher than usual HE). I've gotten more HE citadels with IJN 203mm than AP on enemy cruisers :)
@sego50923 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry wow, I never new it was even possible with anything other than ap. Its never happened to me but that could be because my I'm only at t7. Now I wanna try it lol
@tobythomas18303 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I watched this b4 I went an spent money on resources. I already have the Vermont which just does everything the Thunderturd. You would be surprised at how many fires the Vermont will set with HE. I’m not saying that I go around with my Vermont with HE loaded all the time but if the battle starts with 4 DDs yea the HE is loaded haha. An while I’m trying to hit DDs an I have HE loaded an the dd dies I’ll shoot something else with HE an still do a lot of damage an start fires . But back to the Thunderturd I’m not sure why they didn’t give it better armor. I think if they meant for it to be a HE spammer they should of lowered the reload. Or everyone will be complaining about British troll ness haha.
@SamGrey3 жыл бұрын
That poor shima, 50 torps dropped in 5 salvos and only 2 hits 😂
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
did survive, though. I've pinged the CV throughout the game to spot him, but just in the end realised that CV had to hold the other flank all by himself
@SamGrey3 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry very true, carriers can only do so much at once. After all a win is a win 👍
@mr.onbekend79593 жыл бұрын
Shima, the ultimate noob-ship as you can see here again
@pigbay3 жыл бұрын
I went ahead and got it because I had the resources stored away and I had 0 interest in the black Izumo
@Cedric8486_13 жыл бұрын
I really want this ship. But I will settle with my amazing Vanguard for now. 70 70 of titanium and steel is gonna take forever
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
I haven't checked if it's even possible on free to play to get there. Might be, but I'm not even half the way. Crates, I suppose. Without having played her yet, I'd say 90% of the things I've done in Thunderer, I could probably have done in Conqueror as well. The rudder shift is the most glaring difference, but the turning circles are identical, so once you have actually got the rudder in position, they turn just the same. Conqueror has higher HE alpha salvo and burst damage, and the 457 AP is really not much to write home about, so I'd say damage potential is in the same ballpark. Which leaves hydro, which is useful, and def AA, which is as well, but not deal breakers in my book. I'll have to have a go at the Conqueror and see how she plays.
@Cedric8486_13 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry i have Conq. I have to play her more. Its been a while
@shp274933 жыл бұрын
29:25 Enemy team is playing in "Cage: Kill the youtuber" mode
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
yep :) Although me usually taking point in anything, suited for doing so or not, may play a role here as well >_> You should have seen this when I'm out in a test ship before release, and I was still flying the CC portrait. Basically impossible to record any meaningful footage XD In general, if the enemy team shoots at me, and I survive, that's a net benefit for my team, because they're not shooting at them.
@briangregg858111 ай бұрын
I was about to buy this ship as I have all the British legendary CDRs. I stopped when I watched the video. At least we have the Minotaur.
@FunandGameswithTerry10 ай бұрын
I'll need to revisit this one, actually, and see how she fits in with all the new battlecruisers and changes to the RN BBs, new air meta etc.
@Ramji-sg35983 жыл бұрын
❤️
@sp33r0ckete53 жыл бұрын
I must say in my opinion it seems like thunderer is just a bigger version of the vanguard but that is just me
@LiteBosmark3 жыл бұрын
Thunderer is a Vanguard without half the stuff that makes Vanguard good
@sp33r0ckete53 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBosmark yeah very true I mean vanguard can hold it own in a fight but thunderer seems to be just a bit of a damage piñata for most t10 bb and some cruisers
@oliverfleury74073 жыл бұрын
It's trying to be a Vanguard, just doing a very poor job of it.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my impression as well. Not a terrible ship, as long as you play with a cruiser mindset.
@hellodstyr81923 жыл бұрын
I've met the thunderer several times in my vermont, no really impressed by it's armor. I keep getting citadels lol
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't have battleship armour. The best mindset is to think of her as a battlecruiser, or even a supercruiser, and play accordingly.
@dudditz3 жыл бұрын
Just a conqueror without rapid reload.. 70titanium loool Rapid reload and 12guns is better to start fires, but the whole line need a buff its pretty bad actually
@romaint56083 жыл бұрын
@Marc, yes but for perhaps 50 000 gold you can buy it with the current crates. 😂 And after 6000 golds for historical camo... Not so expensive (joke). Look, today, I don't know if you have see that. The T10 Yoshino with Clow camo is sell for 32.99 euros... In the same time, the T8 Maya with clown camo is sell for 58 or 59 euros. WarGaming joke ?
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
I've seen the Yoshino half-price as well, might have been tempted if it wasn't for the dreadful camo :) I'm actually curious to play the Conqueror now, and see how she compares. I don't mind pricey premium ships, as long as the tech tree ones remain competitive.
@romaint56083 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry in French, we say : Jamais deux sans trois (never 2 without 3). So, after Smolensk and Buffalo, I have buy it. Because the price is very good... Ship OK, but it's not my Worcester or Buffalo, for the agressive play style it's more complicated. But other game play, good thing. I like it. For the British BB, I'm agree. I have started the line last week since the T3, currently at T6. I want to try the T10, because a lot of experimented players says this T10 is not very good. When you have experience (I'm go at 12 000 random battles) not a too bad level (44000 average damage and a little more and more, 58% wr because not a lot of platoon and a lot of T8 at t10 game), I think it's a good challenge to not take in every battle only a op ship. And I think, it's not so bad. 😉
@IbnuKamaruddin973 жыл бұрын
From Malaysia 🇲🇾 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@gladr66873 жыл бұрын
18:39 also black kamikaze
@mikelewis74053 жыл бұрын
Good presentation. This ship is total nonsense. It appears to be a Vanguard with larger imaginary guns that are totally imaginary. The possibility of a Vanguard with more speed and maybe KGV 14" guns is more likely.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
The gun designs actually existed, the British had planned to use 457mm guns, but the Washington Naval Treaty put a stop to all those things. From what we know, they probably wouldn't have been very good. See navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_18-45_mk2.php for details.
@mikelewis74053 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry -I can draw a design on a napkin. The Brits could not get a new 16" gun into service . 18" gins and call it a BC? nonsense
@PaulfromChicago3 жыл бұрын
WoWs British BBs are a bit rubbish. Wargaming doesn't respect their IRL armour, best in the world. Nor their gun accuracy, also best in the world. Instead, giving them gimmicky HE and concealment. No BB in the world needs concealment (that funny R class story aside), it's basically antithetical to being a BB. Instead, we are given snipery BBs with terrible armor and defences, and very high dispersion guns that may or may not start fires. Orion is tons of fun, tho.
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
this has confused me as well. The N3 design draft had around 380mm of main belt plating, in an all-or-nothing scheme, yet in game, we basically get cruiser-level armour. That said, in general, accuracy in terms of armour schemes, effective armour / angles etc. is definitely taking a second seat behind game mechanics. Take, for example, Roma's Pugliese torpedo defence system, which is best-in-class in the game, but IRL didn't work very well.
@PaulfromChicago3 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry My working theory is Wargaming still holds a grudge over Arkangel.
@nationalsocialist55262 жыл бұрын
Mobile gamers 🤣
@galistanfrizky3 жыл бұрын
Ridiculously overpriced
@HMSPrinceofWales-is6px3 жыл бұрын
Stop trying to harass Americans! Im from USA. HAhahahahaha. Just Kidding
@HMSPrinceofWales-is6px3 жыл бұрын
And I have a british battleship profile
@FunandGameswithTerry3 жыл бұрын
I like poking fun at everyone in equal measure :)
@HMSPrinceofWales-is6px3 жыл бұрын
@@FunandGameswithTerry Hi Mr. Terry, is your friends bug fixed? because I really want to be a friend with you in game.PS I am 11 years old.
@mdtransmissionspecialties Жыл бұрын
I have the morrigan camo for thunderer and it’s literally a night and day difference.