World of Warships Blitz - US light cruiser "Cleveland" review

After figuring out the Brooklyn, it's time for tier 8 - and I don't say that lightly, but the Cleveland might be a bit OP. But hey, it's a tech tree ship, so everyone can get one!
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[@howabouteverything]

Your musical interludes are pretty funny Terry! I’m grinding that line so this is very useful. Looking forward to the ship now, getting Mr. Kincaid up to speed.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Thanks, I won't go full-on psychedelic cranked-up-to-11 McDonald's rainbow parrot, but there are sequences that deserve a bit of a soundtrack :) I'm generally recording without the in-game music, as I find it too noisy with the commentary.

[@Scorpion-rp5sx]

You peaked my interest! I just received her today! Awesome ship! Thanks for the review and video. Great job!

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Thanks, much appreciated!

[@Scorpion-rp5sx]

Oh my! I love this ship...can’t wait to see how the rest of the line does.

[@jabrielmeadows8638]

Great vids love the commentary

[@blackopscw7913]

Cant wait to start the american cl line!

[@connordavidson7170]

When I picked up the game again, I started with this cruiser line from the Omaha. I regretted nothing, especially with the Brooklyn and the Cleveland.

[@HarkonWolf]

Nice review I take this one a few days ago... but I wase in doubt about weaponry equipment cause the dispersion.... but I ll taste this ship with half the equipment you use on your... thx!!! And remember.... greyhound in comming 🤭

[@Gozar111]

Love this ship. Been playing Helena and Cleveland quite a bit and both massive fun. Going Seattle next!

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I haven't played the Helena, but from shooting at her, she feels less well protected. Was that a tier 7 or 8?

[@Gozar111]

Tier 7. Basically a Brooklyn with some extras. She was quite radical when she came out as they hadn’t launched the line yet!

[@jcwoodman5285]

I love to zig zag in Cleveland and just make it rain🤗 I LOVE to get behind an enemy BB line a pop away🤩 The BBs always hesitate to concentrate on a CA moving fast & twisting.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

and for a good reason. It's really hard to hit a manoeuvring cruiser at their max range, if they know what they're doing, and you'll end up wasting salvo after salvo that you'll only do one or two hits with. In a BB, when I'm faced with such situations, I often disengage and find something better to shoot at. That's one advantage the Soviet CAs have - some of their range can match BBs.

[@DailyGenshinRex]

I absolutely love my Brooklyn but I'm seriously looking forward to sailing around in the Cleveland, primarily because she's a tad bit OP

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Very dangerous ship, and absolutely terrifying for DDs. If I was in a DD and had the choice to fight an Edinburgh or one of those things, I'd go up against the Brit any day.

[@DailyGenshinRex]

@@FunandGameswithTerry definitely. if I was the last ship on my team in a DD and there was Cleveland on the enemy time I would just run and hide in the corner of the map and wait for a draw.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

lol, true. Although it still depends on the player - I've seen Clevelands yoloing and getting torped by DDs at close range, which just goes to show that no matter how OP something is, it's no match for potatoes :)

[@DailyGenshinRex]

@@FunandGameswithTerry that's why whenever I play DD I pray that everyone on the enemy time are potatoes

[@yuliu3687]

Fun and games with Terry about going up against Cleveland or Edinburgh, I would say do Edinburgh because I feel like Edinburgh’s shells are faster, but that’s just my opinions.

[@Magic-V8-P71]

The Cleveland is my favorite ship of WWII and also I'm from Ohio so there is some state pride mixed in too

[@excelsior1018]

My favorite cruiser in the game so far, though I've not played Seattle or Worcester. Great video!

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Thanks! I still love my torpedo CLs, but this is most certainly fun.

[@gabriellabonitasukianto6592]

Nice review. I love German DD but hate it when I see CV or US T7 above cruiser One time I underestimated Cleveland. “Oh US cruiser no torps! Yay!” And I found my self sank in next minutes lol

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

DD play has been getting a bit more difficult with these things around. I've taken on a Fiji in a gunfight in my Ernst Gaede (and almost won), but wouldn't have lasted a minute against one of these. The meta is still very BB / DD heavy, but I'm starting to see Worcesters in tier 10, and I'd expect there to be more once people grind up the line. Which is good for the game as a whole, i suppose.

[@mailstorminurbox]

now i want to grind this line

[@ndh.q5772]

i love this ship, althought spec show light cruiser but it equiped heavy armor

[@briangregg8581]

There would have been a lot of this class in the Pacific had 9 of them not been converted as hulls to the Independence Class light carriers by none other than FDR. I really like this ship especially with the enhanced HE CDR skill on Kincaid.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I have yet to get Mr. Kincaid to that level, but certainly looking forward to it. I wasn't aware of that part of her history, interesting! Currently reading through "Neptune's Inferno", so I might come across that still.

[@briangregg8581]

Hornfischer’s other book “The Fleet at high tide 1944-45” is good too. Thought he does a great discussion of the strengths and limitations of search radar for gunnery.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

@@briangregg8581 thanks, I'll get that one next, then, when I'm through with Inferno

[@otakugamer2033]

I loved that ship, I’m at the Seattle right now

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I've only been at the receiving end of Seattles (and Worcesters) so far, which has been ... interesting. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the line, but the Cleveland, I might keep around for divisions - she's just such a great tier 8, you can pair her with anything.

[@dudditz]

Yes cleve is a keeper

[@liberty1452]

in my experience seattle is literally sucks ship . totally worse than the cleveland.very slow firing speed, bad traverse and angle. but my worcester is amazing ship

[@dudditz]

Hilman Lutfan should be one of the better t9 out there.. but with the current matchmaking if not abusing mm t9 is always a stupid grind.. and t10 gameplay.. well..

[@moerle747]

what happend at 12:27 behind that Island on the right side??? Launching rockets??

[@JRowan]

I got to play with you tonight. Saw you in a Roma on Aurora base capture we spawned on the right flank and you got mvp cleaning up the flank and sinking their carrier. Would have stuck with you but our base had a dd capping. I was in Cleveland. 😊

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Ha, I remember that game! That was excellent Cleveland play, I didn't even notice we were being capped, too focused on wearing down that flank. Very well done.

[@JRowan]

@@FunandGameswithTerry I have learned a lot from your Videos, figured, Terry’s in a Roma, I can give air support. Keep Terry alive and got a chance! 😊🏆

[@onewingedangel6196]

I finished the whole line and this line is my favorite. I just love sitting behind islands and setting bbs on fire again and again. Its so funny to see bbs use their kits when i set them on fire once. Then I just triple fire them and they get so mad. I usually get around 10 fires per game. Also what are your thoughts on the Huang He. I can't play her at all and I find that she has terribly few guns and her torpedoes are not that good. Am I just playing her wrong because I have alot of trouble playing this thing. Or is she just a bad ship?

[@dudditz]

love the huanghe, its not easy to get big dmg numbers but she holds her ground really well and can punish enemy yolo runs .. sirius is the better teamplayer

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I've reviewed the Huanghe a long time ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYPGmqJ7rbStfK8 She's not the most powerful CL, but a very sneaky one. I'd see her more like an oversized gunboat DD, and play her accordingly.

[@FlyTyer1948]

I had started on the US light cruisers, but I hated Dallas so much that I dropped her. This review is making me regret not grinding through Dallas to eventually work my way up to the Cleveland. Hmm, what to do, what to do? As you demonstrated so well, the Cleveland is a nasty ship when it belongs to the other side.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Well, you could free-XP across to Brooklyn, she's already very capable once you get the hang of her shells.

[@jamesk5541]

Ik this is a old comment but Dallas is a mean ship. I mean I came from the Helena then decided to do the US CLs and it comes in handy. They are high arching shells and low armor once you get the lead on your targets down and the armor... Dallas is a very competitive bote

[@briangregg8581]

The Cleveland class would have been far more numerous had not 9 of the hulls not been turned into Independence Class light carriers at the direction of no less a personage than FDR.

[@aixx7499]

Very usefull and helpfull also terry what do you think about the Lyon with 4×4 main guns do you think its worth grinding for ?

[@nathanandrews9019]

Grind for tiers 8-10 in the French battleship line, not Lyon. Lyon has crap accuracy and pathetically small guns. She isn’t a bad ship, but difficult to play, and nothing compared to Gascogne or Republique.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I'm still up to the Bretagne, and French BBs have been somewhat lower on my list of priorities. Even higher tier ones seem to be poorly armoured, so the "difficult to play" part probably applies. I'll get there eventually, and then I'll also have some more intel on how to be effective in those things.

[@nathanandrews9019]

I was surprised to learn that Republique has almost exactly the same armor as Monty, the only differences being that, stock, Monty has 100 more hit points and Republique has 3% better torpedo protection. Since t10 battleships always take at least one or two torpedoes per game, I would even say Republique has better armor.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

here's a thought, though. What we see in-game are not the actual armour stats, but the factors for the damage algorithm. The way it works (my theory) is: penetration = (shell calibre * ammo type base * distance reduction * captain skill) - armour thickness at hit zone this decides if we get bounce, semi, full or overpen effective damage = shell alpha dmg * penetration * damage reduction The factors (percentages) we're seeing in-game are the _effective_ damage reduction, but I doubt they're necessarily equivalent to the actual armour factors for the penetration calculation in step one. Historically, e.g. belt armour, Republique had 280mm on the main belt, while Monty had 409. So even if they have the same "damage reduction" factors, I would still argue that it's a lot easier to get full pens and citadels against a Republique than it is against a Monty - we don't see the factors for step 1, most likely because you can't express them in a single figure for the ship (they depend on the module that was impacted). Again, pure theory (although I really need to do a video about this at some point).

[@nathanandrews9019]

That sounds reasonable, although historically, Montys armor belt was contained in charts and Republiques was pretty much invented by wargaming.

[@Peterax788]

Terry do you have any tips on how to play the North Carolina? Can you make a video, please?

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I'm still at the Colorado, but planning to grind all the way up to the Monty, so NC will be next on that list.

[@Peterax788]

@@FunandGameswithTerry thanks budd

[@gordonlam5398]

Adding 1 more radar for Cleveland is very good but not very useful for Worcester. Not much destroyers want to get spotted by Worcester and thus there isn't many chances to use radar. I also sacrifice the generalist+ skill of Kinkaid to get better sonar because I think it is more important to use the sonar for Shimakaze's torpedoes. Cleveland need more radar but Worcester also need this Kinkaid. It is unfortunate that moving the captain to different ships need to retrain it.

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Yeah, especially that retraining gets more expensive the higher up you go. Obviously not having played the Worcester (yet), I wonder if you could make the radar work against torps instead of hyrdo. She's got a 7.8km radar range. If you were to go for a stealth build, you could get her detection down to 7.72 (module, consumable and standard camo), which means that if you're spotted, but can't see who spotted you, there's a DD guaranteed to be in your radar range. Pop the radar, light up the Shima, she'll drop torps and try to run, which means you've got ample time to get out of the way. Pure theory, of course - not sure any sane Shima would even try a run-up against a USN CL, but if they did, they almost certainly would try to stealth torp. Take away their stealth, and they're either running or dead.

[@gordonlam5398]

@@FunandGameswithTerry Tried the concealment build on Worcester. This really makes your radar more useful because it can surely detect a ship. You can also have better positioning because of your concealment, then you can spam at a low risk position. However, this will sacrifice your maneuverability (I use rudder module before) and may struggle to dodge torpedoes and shells. Changing module also cost a lot of silvers. Know your favorite playstyle and choose concealment module or maneuverability module.

[@Jacobixvarietychannel]

What is your setup are you using a gaming controller?

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I'm playing on an LG G7 (6.1'' screen), onscreen controls. Often I'm playing on the go, so a controller would be clunky. I've heard people running the game in an emulator on PC, but my muscle memory is trained on the phone, so I'm most effective with that.

[@Jacobixvarietychannel]

Ok cool..... I just brought the "Missouri" what do you think about it?

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I don't have her myself, unfortunately ... the loot crate system seemed a bit greedy for my taste. I'm also still at tier 6 with the USN BBs, so I don't really have a comparison, sorry

[@kenrickhk]

Hey! I would like to know how to get the premium commander...😀

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

They show up in crates occasionally, or go on sale for a couple of $. Keep an eye out in the shop. Currently there are three of them (US / German / RN), and I've seen Yamamoto in the Musashi crate, although not outside yet.

[@kenrickhk]

@@FunandGameswithTerry thx for replying ! 😀

[@cj_superstar9451]

Worcester is much worth the grind

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I've faced one in my Des Moines the other day, and would have had a hard time winning that fight (BBs shut me down before it came to it).

[@cj_superstar9451]

Fun and games with Terry if I get into a 1v1 with a Des at close to medium range, my Worcester will actually out AP dmg the Des, I thought to myself this guy probably isn’t the best player but when I jumped in my Des monies and faced a Worcester I got put down

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

I've had trouble reliably penning the Worcester with the DM's AP, which really reduces its effectiveness. Not sure if it was my aim or their armour - have yet to fight one at closer range.

[@cj_superstar9451]

Fun and games with Terry avoid fighting them at close range, if he starts loading AP then you have no chance

[@Failure_Engineering]

are you playing at asia server?

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

Only on my press account for video recording, I'm playing on NA main, sorry

[@Failure_Engineering]

@@FunandGameswithTerry i hope some coincidence will make something happens, it would be great experience for me if i see you at a match

[@chongjuancho]

I just have enough xps for Cleveland!

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

enjoy! She's one hell of a cruiser.

[@chongjuancho]

Fun and games with Terry yes she is very good, need more time to play in T8... a little bit hard

[@chongjuancho]

@@FunandGameswithTerry Play in Tier 8 is really difficult...especially when match up with Tier 9 boats

[@chongjuancho]

@@FunandGameswithTerry Hi Terry, thanks for the sharing, I played Cleveland for a while, she is really good! now I got Seattle, somehow, I think Cleveland is easy to operate than Settle.

[@enzoluisasuncion3621]

The Cleveland Is sick dude i have 58k Average damage if you Check My stats (were already friends in game) :)

[@FunandGameswithTerry]

She certainly is, and 58k avg is pretty awesome, well done