World of Warships - Best Tier 6 Cruiser In The Game

What's the best tier 8 cruiser in World of Warships? I'm sure opinions are divided but my pick would be a tier 6 cruiser with a health buff.
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[@evster7flick]

Fully AA-spec Cleveland at tier 6 was an amazing meme. Remember soloing the carriers in operations with ease

[@thehandofdeath2106]

Hehe, i remember back when Operation: Aegis had the two carriers in place of the Kongo and Ishizushi, after i finished torpedoing escorts #1 and #3, i would need all the Eurobeats i could find to dodge and weave between torpedoes and bombs and sink both flattops at point blank range, oh it was *Glorious*

[@cookiesupervisor2211]

I started to play game in February 2018 , I unlocked Cleveland , Benson , and got Richelieu from Container ,then I have stop to play game to July , and when I returned Cleveland was T8 , I get my ass kicked in T10 game so many times ...

[@arduous222]

A well placed AA Cleveland was a real pain in the arse for enemy CVs (Especially that poor AS Bogue) back in the days.

[@przemysawkrzekobrzegoszczy6332]

Ah... the golden days... I actually find myself missing the old rts cv's. At least they had a limited plane pool, and aa was more than a meme.

[@arduous222]

@@przemysawkrzekobrzegoszczy6332 ikr? That satisfying feeling of strafing enemy planes...especially when you strafe enemy fighters with fighters. The only problem back then was that CVs were too good. I think if they reduced the damage output a bit, removed the ability to spot torpedoes using CV planes, and buff the plane health pool a bit, then they'd be so much more fun with the old RTS styles. It was not that they were not fun, it was just that if you are not superb CV player, you shouldn't play CV, since they impact the game too much. People often chose not to play CV at all due to stress it gives you.

[@Alba_Longa]

Jingles: "that mogami must be experiencing the most ridiculous frustration right now" The Mogami: "fuck!" Perfect fucking timing XD

[@hellangel28]

you know that jingles watches these videos in advance and knows these timings right? it's not an accident :)

[@Senekenn]

@@hellangel28 proceeds to not notice that NoseTron had activated his radar and already spotted the Benson. Back to the mines I go.

[@BPKPhoenix]

@@hellangel28 Yeah but here's another thing. *This is Jingles.*

[@hellangel28]

@@BPKPhoenix lol you have a valid point there, sir

[@Soulvalkyrie1]

i thought that was well times as well lol

[@caedmonofhelmsby3408]

I'd like to point out that the other Clevelands name was "Clevebro_Supremacy" which couldn't be more fitting if he tried, especially considering his vital support at just the right moment more than once in this battle

[@nitehawk86]

I used to be a Cleveland specialist back in the Tier VI days. Good times.

[@thedarksideofgaming8834]

My man knows what's good and I couldn't agree more!

[@peterjensen9468]

Azur Lane ftw

[@moerukaze5464]

Hold on I think I know the guy.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Cleveland IS bro :)

[@The_MightyJingles]

Inb4 "But Jingles it's tier 8..."

[@ChrisJones-qw7bn]

HA!!

[@noob4life1981]

Oh Jingles, do not ever change!!

[@dawfydd]

yes.. my head was hurting for the first few seconds reading the title and info. Geez i'm too old for you to be that crap! ^_^

[@woody4077]

ok to be fair when the game first came out it WAS a teir 6 cruiser..." but you knowthings change"

[@hanab3941]

OP can't inb4

[@theGreenChangeling]

10:50 *enemy benson spotted* 11:43 *benson still spotted* Jingles: "where did that enemy benson go?"

[@Thermalions]

"May I draw your attention to the minimap, ... Jingles?"

[@TrickiVicBB71]

I noticed that. Jingles, expand that map!

[@ELCADAROSA]

It's our beloved Jingles. If he wasn't crap every now and then, ...and then, ... and then, it would lessen the fun!

[@kysz1]

11:05 "Both teams have two of the caps and an even number of kills. Actually, no, NoseTrons team is ahead by one." Jingless corrected himself... Or did he? XD

[@sickboy481]

Ahh memories of curb stomping Kuma's with the Cleveland.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

if WG decide to put back kitakami, you can experience this wonderful slaughter again.

[@yhormthemidget]

@@wilhelmt.muller170 lets be real, the last thing this game needs right now is the Kitakami. Russian CVs are a close second. Oh wait...

[@Lahnapihvi]

The memories of playing St. Louis for the first time and thinking it's hot garbage... ...Because it faced tier 6.

[@Vinemaple]

Ooh, terrifying, I suppose one reason I like the Kuma so much is because I never had to face a Cleveland in one.

[@cmachinist]

Jingles: Oh, Look Nostron's team are ahead by one kill. Reality: Nostron's team are behind by one kill. Never change, Jingles, never change.

[@ShawFujikawa]

Cleveland’s reload was also buffed by about 20% when she was moved to T8. She *definitely* would have been broken with her current reload at T6.

[@DD-mp1kl]

wasn't the Clevelands reload nerfed back at tier 6 before it was moved up to tier 8 as well as its turret traverse rate?

[@DisposableHeroDayZ]

Every time Jingles features a match that has tier 5,6, and 7 ships I have a moment of panic. "OMG please don't let this be a match that I was in. I don't want the gnome to criticize me."

[@nosetron3044]

I had to bolster myself to be ready for some criticism before watching. Seriously humbled by the end.

[@nosetron3044]

I am honored, Jingles. Thank you! I just wish I wasn’t away from home for a week before I can show my sons. They’ll be so excited! GG Mogami: Sorry, not sorry :) Also, you’re the voice mod selected in-game: I think it’d be hilarious to have double commentary. I think you mentioned submarines at least twice and I sank a friendly aircraft carrier during that game.

[@bobbyg9587]

Well played sir!

[@Vinemaple]

Also, very nice throttle control, getting yourself into the correct spot to shoot over islands and staying there. You clearly play enough Cleveland to know the handling intimately. And nice trick, not caring about running aground while screened from enemy fire... I never could get my IRL mariner's fear of running aground out of my WoWs play.

[@nosetron3044]

@@Vinemaple I appreciate that, thank you. When I load up War Thunder every now and then and use boats... I forget you get punished for doing just that. Just a drastic mechanic change from the two games in that aspect alone.

[@maciek19882]

I would like to see Captain Jingles McJingleberry again.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Bring back cold waters reeeeeeeee

[@okesenemoananu5086]

HE'S CAVITATING!!!!!

[@jacobhardcastle6542]

Cold waters is definitely my favourite jingles series apart from WoW

[@grahamstrouse1165]

My fave Jingles Cold Water moment was when he ended up trapped on the ocean floor after a particularly epic Jingles landing & reversed his way along the ocean floor for a couple until he got his pumps working & freed himself. Good times. 😁👍

[@asamyers4572]

@@grahamstrouse1165 I love that part as well. It’s unfortunate he deleted it (or maybe he didn’t and I’m rarted)

[@dougjb7848]

“All three of the four caps” makes perfect Jingles sense.

[@nebu162003]

Ranger player= best example of why the consumables on CVs are automated.

[@Raycheetah]

Yeah. That Ranger player's mom brought some consumables down to the basement mid-battle, and they kept him from doing anything but eat his tendies. =9[.]9=

[@piedpiper1172]

@@Raycheetah Saw tendies, bought the dip.

[@rascallhunter]

I would say it showed the reason that consumables on CVs should not be automated - learn how to deal with both parts of you want to play that class.

[@Maistro69]

I remember having a fully AA built Cleveland in beta and early days. Had better AA than most tier 10s. There was a giant bubble of nope that enemy CVs has to work around. I miss those days.

[@benlubbers4943]

To be honest, as a former RTS CV main... I do too.

[@Dafmeister1978]

Not going to lie, I saw the title "Best Tier 6 Cruiser in the game" and my first thought was "Oh, there's a new Tier 6 premium Russian destroyer coming".

[@ereal713]

I love how you have been posting videos of ships that you can earn rather than buy. Good on you, mate.

[@starscreammtfan]

Props to the man of culture's in the friendly Cleveland. Also F to that Mogami.

[@stevenhaffner3299]

Jingles is the Pied Piper of everyone that haven't had their sense of humor shot off by life. Sincerely, thanks.

[@stenaldinho]

Nailed it there Steven. o7

[@joshualaw7660]

I love these videos

[@piedpiper1172]

I feel called out.

[@benkonczal4584]

I remember hating being spammed by the Cleveland so much that I decided to grind to it as quickly as possible so I could do the same to others. Not too much longer after that, they moved it up to tier 8. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@The_real_Arovor]

I remember playing this ship in beta. It was an absolute beast. Arguably better than some tier 10 nowadays. So the title of that video is absolutely perfect, and it will always be, because nothing will come close to what the Cleveland was back then!

[@Colonel_Overkill]

I remember the Cleveland with the BFT and AFT skills increasing the gun range to rather absurd distances giving the shells almost vertical drop at maximum range you could bombard anything behind amost any island as you effectively had 6in mortars at that point.

[@martijnsmith1525]

The stealth-firing cruisers back then too. God that was painful

[@CurtDegree]

Still can; just have to embrace the memes and equip spotter plane.

[@firstname9954]

you are wrong,cleveland was never taking advantage of bft and aft on main batteries because they were above 139mm it had 15.8km firing range with the upgraded fire control,but clev captains were taking it for the AA spec what you are remembering is the Atlanta who was increasing range to 13.3km and it was taking forever for the shells to get there

[@Colonel_Overkill]

@firstname9954 incorrect. It was changed pretty early on but after open release of the BFT and AFT skills they applied to 155mm guns and below. Cleveland, Kutuzov and Mogami were the reason for the change from 155mm to 139mm.

[@firstname9954]

@@Colonel_Overkill you talking about alpha/beta release?

[@LegionOfEclaires]

There was a time when you could burn ships alive16km+ without being spotted even after shooting. To say the least, this game came a long way.

[@ruhnon331]

(Possibly) Unpopular opinion: DD's should still be able to stealth-fire, even if the window is narrow.

[@onebigfatguy]

@@ruhnon331 No. We've already done that song and dance and WGing(rightfully)killed stealth firing dead as it was a stupid mechanic that made zero sense and was total asscancer to face.

[@233Deadman]

Unfortunately the game went too far and fell off the edge of a cliff.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

It's come along way, still has a long way to go - like how a light cruiser can go toe to toe with a battleship and win 🤔

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

@@ruhnon331 nah i agree

[@bigbloodaxe]

I remember getting a Kraken +1 in this thing back in the day! At tier 6, Cleveland was amazingly overpowered but incredible fun! Superb game by NoseTron, great stuff and thanks for sharing this replay Jingles 😁

[@Tzunamii777]

I miss my T6 "I'm a Firestarter" Cleveland. "Wargaming feels CV Captains can't fly & use ship consumables at the same time" "This CV Captain can't seem to move & launch aircraft at the same time" Perhaps they're on to something?

[@Vinemaple]

It would have been nice if their thinking ran the opposite direction: Let's make carriers impossible and discouraging for low-competence, low-commitment players. I can see why they didn't, but... still...

[@IndyBrainWave]

11:38 Enemy Benson gets spotted. Jingles, literally five seconds later: "Speaking of enemy destroyers, where did that Benson go?" Ah, Jingles - don't ever change. :D

[@CrescentGuard]

Speaking as a DD player during closed beta, I don't think I could've been happier when this beauty got bumped up to tier 8.

[@mwnciboo]

Yeah...those were the days... not played in 18months.

[@gamarus0kragh]

Not to mention her 5" belt and low citadel. I remember all too well the number of times i was sure I had her broadside and got bounces and overpens.

[@tonyswan6834]

I just Love how you present a game replay Mighty Jingles, such a refreshing channel to watch, Thank you and keep up the great content!!!

[@Jollyroger84103]

"Nostron's team is up one kill" *Nostron's team is actually behind by a kill*

[@thehandofdeath2106]

Tier VI Cleveland, god that brings back memories. Now that you mention the New Mexico, that brings back something that happened with my Bayern years ago, the short version is I sailed right past her, and fired a full 8 gun salvo right in the New Mexico's stern, getting all the citadels and giving that American BB a case of "not-so-very-surprise-surprise-buttsecks" oh that was a good day.

[@HughMorris69]

Back when you deleted them with a fuso at 24km with spotter plane.

[@thehandofdeath2106]

@@mammothmk3355 Funny thing is, I quite like the American Dreadnoughts, I think the Lattice Cage mast on the Colorado and West Virginia, 1941 Edition is sexy as all hell.

[@ph8enix]

I remember a time when Jingles used to hate the tier 6 Cleveland cause of it's slow shell velocity and weird firing arc. Times change, Jingles does not :)

[@calvingrindle1802]

Budyonny at T6 is amazing, the guns are really accurate and it has a decent armour belt if you angle it properly

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

I have very fond memories of my Pensacola at tier 7. First access to USN 8-in. guns, always underestimated by the enemy, I had some tremendous games in it. The New Orleans at tier 8 on the other hand... that was pure frustration. It felt like all I ever got was tier 10 matches and she could *not* handle those.

[@razgriz4118]

I loved the Pensacola back when I played people always said it was bad but I did very well in it and loved how the ship itself handled even if I had to kinda learn the guns all over again… but yeah good old days when I had a pc

[@Vibration_Crew]

When the Cleveland could equip AFT and get a 20% main gun firing range buff, those were good times.

[@rvfharrier]

Good times indeed, pre-AFT nerf Cleveland, Mogami and Murmansk were insane.

[@Ushio01]

@@rvfharrier They were fun as hell and made cruisers competitive now it's camp the island and hope the enemy are dumb or get citadeled from 2 directions at once. Look at the Cleveland he showed patience and was rewarded with an enemy that pushed one at a time far too often I end up with no one pushing on the flank I'm on and either carrier or a DD that's flanked the entire map fucks me.

[@dougjb7848]

I got this ship when its AA actually meant something and killing DDs was critical to victory.

[@GaldirEonai]

"At least he _almost_ tried" sums up so many teammates in online games...

[@longrider42]

At Tier 6 the Cleveland was a great ship, and I always enjoyed playing it. At Tier 8, well, its a tad weak. Even though it got Radar, and a tad more health, it also needed a Heal. As it stands now its my museum ship. Ah well, it is what it is.

[@tomriley5790]

Actually preferred the Baltimore to the Cleveland but did have lots of fun in the cleveland. Unfortunately life in a light curiser at the moment is either spam from behind island or hope you get lucky with dispersion... Leander was one of my favouites. To be fair the Ranger player just behaved like the captain of HMS Glorious

[@civilbeard]

Lol that's a great insult for a CV captain.

[@enolastraight4829]

Leander is still pretty good, in my opinion.

[@BBRAIN1977]

@@civilbeard every cv player should be insulted to great lenghts

[@hideshisface1886]

Oh boy, I still remember this thing being at tier 6... And honestly... I never understood why was it considered overpowered. It was good, but it also was stupidly fragile for the most part. In early days it was very difficult to citadel, because it actually had historically modelled citadel - Cleveland had it sort of split - these days it is a solid block, but that is about it. The thing with Cleveland was... that this thing was very unfun to play against due to the constant stream of shells it could drop at you... And I also never found it fun to play AS, due to very awkwardly slow shell velocity and high trajectory.

[@mwnciboo]

The original Cleve at T6 was the first time - you got a ship that was decent and could fight higher tiers happily. It was like the KV-1S equivalent in the early days of WoT or IS-3 people hate you.

[@SmerteLunefull]

If I remember correctly, Cleveland also received a rate of fire buff when it was moved to tier VIII. I think it used to have a 10s reload at tier VI that was shortened to 6s at tier VIII.

[@bosunbones.8815]

Nurnberg DPM is a beast. It's one of my favourites. Eventhough it obligatory explodes sometimes.

[@niki8280]

I feel for that poor Mogami. Press F for his keyboard that was thrown at the wall in frustration after typing "fuck"

[@godlynewbie]

whats funny is weegee is run by such massive snowflakes just saying fuck can get you a chat ban. they act like the player base is full of kids but it's not. heck said something along the lines of i made a massive fucking bad play and got a chat ban and yes i know players can be massive snowflakes to about cursing

[@Vinemaple]

FFFFFF

[@Alpha_627]

Glad to see a Cleveland video, i live not far from the last one, the refitted USS Little Rock here in Buffalo New York. I do recommend visiting the Naval Park, also has USS The Sullivans of the Fletcher class and USS Croaker of the Gato class (both also refitted)

[@HahahaHalihallo]

I just miss the old old Cleveland tier 6 AA monster

[@mindstar111]

The Constellation is the type of player WG likes a lot. Look at his stats. DAMN.

[@Gundolf300]

They also buffed the dpm by lowering the reload speed and combined with the old ifhe and the fact that it's pretty hard to citadel really really made this ship just as evil in tier 8 as it was in tier 6.

[@thufir8055]

Not another dime to Wargaming! (Don't forget to post that early and often in the forums) Another great video and commentary. I remember playing the Cleveland a lot before the cruiser split. For some reason, I had not played it or worked on that tech tree line a a very long time. A few months ago I started to work on the tech tree. It is now the first ship I play every day.

[@timeforgottenprince8271]

well, at the very least, the friendly Ranger can tell the difference between an aircraft carrier and an airfield, unlike *some* people.

[@EvoraGT430]

He still has a lot of improving to do, though.

[@onebigfatguy]

@@EvoraGT430 Thinking a CV player will ever improve. Your a funny one.

[@Mark_Deighton]

Loved her at tier 6. Was my favourite ship back then. Find her guns range way too short now at tier 8

[@christianschneider8516]

Played it when it was at Tier-6, the best ship i've ever played

[@tillerzeit]

My great grandfather served on a Cleveland class cruiser during WWII. The USS Atlanta, which served during the Okinawa campaign. Her fate after the war was pretty interesting.

[@milos-7712]

Best T6 cruiser - La Gallisonniere (or however you spell it, the T6 frenchie) That thing is awesome. Best T8 cruieser? Well the Akizuki of course!

[@UrSneakyDad]

LoL, i was wondering what tier 6 cruiser jingles is talking about when i saw the title and thumbnail, i couldn't figure it out 😂. Nice one old man.

[@lickkittysplit3871]

I still enjoy playing the Pensacola. Sure, you get blown up often, but that ship has a special place in me heart. My first Kraken and Double Strike was in the Pensacola and I still love playing it in OPS.

[@onebigfatguy]

Pensacola has more penetration on it's guns then most other nations tier 8 heavy cruisers. If people are stupid enough to give you broadsides Pesna can inflict some obscene damage. Shame WGing nerfed the turret traverse speed and didn't buff the reload when it was dropped to tier 6 because even if the guns are nice the slow ass turrets and no torps makes brawling a pain.

[@lickkittysplit3871]

@@onebigfatguy For sure. Anytime I play her in Randoms is with a Divi partner now or days, but for ops, GOSH she is strong. Especially when IZUMO comes out broadside. Oh how I luv those moments!!

[@thepiratemongoose8965]

The Mogami popped up for a second at the end; he only had 400hp left. He slipped behind an island before Nosetron would have been able to turn his guns even if he'd tried, but Nose would have won that fight if he hadn't won on points.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

In slight defense of the cv player, having played the ranger in T8 games, if you lose concentration for 2 seconds you can get deplaned. Since this guy obviously wasn’t the greatest, we can assume he was waiting for planes.

[@RD1R]

Still worth launching a gimped squadron to spot a DD. You can even drop a fighter on the most direct path to your CV from the DD. Even if he's a noob those are pretty basic concepts for a CV player. He wasn't trying.

[@SebaX92]

The guy has 610 average dmg on Ranger. He must be really not knowing what to do on a cv . He stopped playing the game few weeks after this battle.

[@lttweety6397]

Jingles always say's wargaming don't expect CV players to be able to think and breathe at the same time, and is genuinely surprised when he comes across one :)

[@ZGryphon]

The repeated running aground made me think of Clarkson muttering about May in that one old _Top Gear_ bit with the shopping cart obstacle course. "Does he _have_ to hit _absolutely_ everything?"

[@stewa4067]

Huanghe, Texas, W. Virginia 1941, Loyang, Chkalov, Hood, Weimar, and I finally stopped with the Atago. I have been playing for less than a month :P This game helped me realize that I get some weird sense of joy on paying money to "get ahead" in f2p games

[@scottgiles7546]

With Admiral Jingles new and improved relationship with WoW I am waiting for this feature to be added by the programmers: "Your last command was ignored as the Ships Captain/Admiral was distracted by the ships cat." And then there is an image of a Maine Coon being petted and emitting that familiar purr.

[@Arashmickey]

10:23 "It's as if the carrier doesn't know that he's capable of launching aircraft and moving at the same time" Jaquomot is WGs balancing department?

[@Vinemaple]

I really did enjoy the Devonshire at tier 6, once I upgraded all the modules. Perhaps it's because the Hawkins is so awful, but once you figure out how to play a Devonshire, it's hilariously capable as long as you make sure you get into the right situations and stay out of the wrong ones. Like you should be doing in EVERY British cruiser that doesn't have smoke or radar. Side note, Evil Gnome--watching your "Making it 'work'" video helped me decide not to play WoWs at all until the companies clean up their act. I don't want to help them keep the game profitable by participating as either a target or teammate. Alas, I doubt they'll ever realize or care that what comes across as genuine in Russia, comes across as arrogant and disrespectful in the West.

[@bellidrael7457]

This was a mighty fine 'Jingles Moment' video. 'The score is tied.' Nose's teammate dies. 'No, actually Nose's team is up one kill!' 'Jingles, no they aren't, they just lost a ship...' 'Speaking of destroyers, where did that enemy Benson go...' 'Jingles, it's literally spotted on the map. 'There's an enemy Benson out there presumably trying to spot him...' 'Jingles, he HAS spotted him...'

[@ashleighelizabeth5916]

Cleveland was my first tier 8 ship of any kind. When news came about the cruiser line split I was slogging through Omaha and so I got busy grinding that floating citadel to get to tier 6 before the line split. Because I did get there before the line split they also gave me Cleveland for free basically. It took me a really long time to understand how to play her and I was just starting to get it all figured out when I finally made the jump up to Seattle... which of course I hate hate hate!

[@Kelkuza]

And *THAT* Ranger CV is who the CV Rework was meant to target with the automating of as many functions as possible. For as much as most players laughed at the idea that WG thought we were too incapable of managing both ship and planes, it turns out there *are* some people out there like that.

[@kathic6402]

I loved my Pensacola at Tier VII. She may have been armored with citadels but her guns could sing.

[@danmartinac3266]

I argue for Aoba and the 48mm deck armor it carries as best tier 6 cruiser. That deck armor makes magic.

[@jamesscalzo3033]

Loved the video @The Mighty Jingles! Love seeing the Cleveland get some love on the channel! I wonder if anyone has even been teamed up with an Italian Light Cruiser like the Raimondo Montecucciloi or the Guisseppe Garibaldi, while in a Cleveland or a Cleveland getting a kill on an Italian Light Cruiser in World of Warships?

[@cortlundtowell5252]

the absolute dish to the carrier is funny as hell

[@trostorff1]

Man, that was a fun match to watch, but I really feel for the fellow in that Mogami.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

1:50 To answer your question, I submit the following ships for your consideration: Leander - British, fairly stealthy, has smoke and hydro, fast firing guns with good AP effective against both cruisers, destroyers, and battleships that show enough of the bow-cheeks and superstructure. Can't deal with bow in ships that have armoured turrets shielding the superstructure from the front as they bounce off steeply angled sides and can't pen the turret. Ballistic arcs are good for firing over islands to hit enemies who think they're safe. Perth - Basically a Leander with access to HE and creeping smoke, spotter/fighter. Huanghe - Basically a Perth without British acceleration, minus one turret, one tube per torpedo launcher, and with Russian guns. It has better stealth, rudder shift and turning circle. Can choose between Hydro and Torpedo-Reload Booster. Given your access to crawling smoke, very few people take the TRB. Nurnberg - 360 degree rear turret, torpedoes, good hydro, IFHE built into the guns, good shell velocity, exceptional armour for a T6 cruiser, especially at close range. Budyonny - Good muzzle velocity, turret angles, AP, with self-defence hydro and self-defence torpedoes which I'd swear were super-cavitating. Spotter plane gives it crazy range as well, and given it's shell velocity it can accurately hit targets from that range. Molotov - Its a T6 with Donskoi guns. It has just enough armour to eat full penetration hits, and that's it. What more do you need to know? Admiral Makarov - It's a Nurnberg that you can put Russian captains on. Dallas - 6 inch mortars. You park 3 metres behind Olympus Mons and your shells still clear the island. Most of the shells you fire will hit their targets coming straight down, and for being 6 inch guns, you have surprisingly good AP. The ship itself is squishy as fuck so you need to use islands as cover, but if you catch a DD out of position with HE, or a broadside cruiser at less than 9km with AP, that person is probably going to die in 3 salvoes or less from full health. Aoba - 8 inch guns at tier 6. Good torpedoes. Do I need to say anything else? I do? Well it's armour is not terrible I suppose, although it's AA definitely is. But it's 2021. AA hasn't been effective for about 12-18 months, depending on whom you ask.

[@joshdionne2777]

Props to the NC in chat who, after Clevebro said 'you could've sat there and killed the lyon easily', said "my bad"

[@WillM38]

The friendly Cleveland was an absolute champion as well. Their efforts weren't quite as fruitful thanks to the ineptitude of the Ranger, but damn did they rock!

[@DD-mp1kl]

looked up that congress player and holy shit, Jingles is spot on.

[@davidwhitfield6025]

Loved my T6 Cleveland back in the day. Felt like a Pocket Battleship AND an Atlanta all in one. Every time I saw a flight of enemy aircraft I'd immediately declare Tally Ho! and charge towards them and shoot the entire flight down. Her guns (so many guns) fire fast and true. The two heavy cruisers above it at the time were so pathetic I couldn't be bothered going higher despite also wanting to reach the Baltimore. I didn't mind having the Cleveland bumped to T8 (other than its not the money maker it used to be).

[@aco319sig3]

OH yes, that AA was awesome for it's time. With the CV rework, I'm sure it would be crap... but hey.

[@davidwhitfield6025]

@@aco319sig3 It certainly isn't what it used to be (Clevelands were the terror of CVs two years ago) but its not terrible today and you would have seen CVs tend to avoid it after the first encounter because it still pumps out a lot of led into the air.

[@sovietmisaki]

I remember the heyday of the T6 Cleveland before the nerfs and it being eventually moved to T8. This was also back when Defensive AA made it an aircraft squadron eating machine. We Cleveland drivers sustained ourselves on the tears of destroyer, and CV players.

[@hummerltheOh]

I love the fact that the player of the other Cleveland has the name 'Clevebro_Supremacy'

[@kingscorpion7346]

I remember when the Cleveland was Tier 6, and everyone lower than that feared it when it was spotted. I know I certainly did until I got the Cleveland myself. And I was really happy when they bumped it up to Tier 8!

[@Orthanc6]

"The Ranger is proving to be as much use as a Chocolate Fire God" such a glorious illustration, where the heck did that come from???

[@spinnirack3645]

What's good is I havnt played wow in so long that I honestly remember working towards the T6 Cleveland

[@Dorkrust]

Damn, don't see Cleveland much, thanks Jingles. I really miss my old t6 version, I think it's still among my winningest ships. Crazy enough I also love Mogami, those 155s are monster, nice to see the Opfor Mogami have a great game even if it was a loss.

[@suddenshotty]

The last time I played WoWs was when the Cleveland was tier 6! Still enjoy watching the commentary from good games though :)

[@Retrohertz]

Me too.

[@apyllyon]

seeing skycancer that doesn´t know how to launch aircraft,that made my day:D Now if we had facecam footage of the carrier trying....why does that suddenly seems like the time patrick didn´t know how to open a jar...

[@panther-nk2hn]

You might have missed it, but Nosetron actually got an HE citadel on that Ryujo. Multiple, in fact.

[@majordisappointment8692]

Thanks Nosetron and Jingles and my comiserations to the Mogami player good job.

[@Sludgebuster]

Baltimore would like to have a word with you, Sir Gnome... But seriously- that Mogami.... poor bastard.

[@Arsenic71]

I loved the Cleveland for some of the operations. Have only played it a couple of times since they bumped her up to T8.

[@euancrane564]

Woooooo! A new Cleveland video after 5 years!

[@digitalchaos10]

I remember getting the Cleveland at tier 6, I shit you not, 30 minutes before it was moved to tier 8. I stopped playing when I got it, and when I opened the game again I got a free Pensacola for my troubles, along with the new Tier 8 Cleveland.

[@aaronutley]

LOL! Tricked! I was hoping to get some thoughts on a good T6 grinder! Good video. :)

[@TeambitDK]

That's not how WG would have handled that today. They'd made the Cleveland a Premiumship instead, and given it premium matchmaking along with that :P That said, I loved playing this ship when it was tier 6

[@gstormcz]

Agreed with Cleveland. While I am not great performing WoW captain, I managed to get my long term record base xp of 3960 with Cleve(R)land, it was probably some against T10 game I made it alive. It was sure game where you get into well known best awareness, with eyes high above highest Island hills, lol.

[@theunwelcome]

good to see a game from someone who Nose what he's doing!

[@Draconisrex1]

I loved my Tier VI Cleveland, especially when it still had the troll-citadel. I hated my Tier VII Pensacola, it was a disaster with terrible armor and a giant, Tier V-like citadel.

[@rocknrollbob7199]

Takes me back to to the episode of you shooting planes on the ice map. Like, all of them. Lol

[@Da__goat]

The Molotov is certainly an underrated ship, 9 180mm guns, a decent reload but you can fit a reload mod to get that down to about 13/14 seconds so it has a good rate of fire, better than 203s of tier 7, with higher velocity and flat shell trajectories combined with a ridiculous main battery firing range that gets even farther when you launch. The spotter plane and you are firing out over 18km. And it even has torpedoes, and its got something like a 35kn top speed, at Tier 6! It’s very situational, but the games, if played correctly after learning to turn the ship with its rudder that moves slower than the heat death of the universe, it can be a fairly fun ship to play as Tier 6 goes. Granted, I have not played WWS since the Puerto Rico charade, so they may have changed some of the stats

[@knallpistolen]

Last time I played WOWS they still had CC's.

[@tomekes5782]

Great game, congratulations. I took my Clev for a spin the other day and had a feeling this ship really aged badly (or I played badly, or both). I was uptiered to T X match and oh boy, what a pain that was. Struggled to do any damage. Died with 240 hits which gave me... 24 thousand damage. Yeah, 100 damage per hit. RNJesus granted practically no fire damage. Eventually died to a CV because the days when US CA where something of a threat to planes are long gone. Lost a soft spot in my heart for the Clev since that game. :(

[@MurderousEagle]

on console, we generally swear by the De Gasse, though that means you have to make an equivalence between console tier 5 and PC tier 6, which is sometimes off.

[@Mr_King96]

I absolutely knew it! When i clicked on the video after reading the title i thought to myself "but Jingles, the Cleveland is T8 now". Great minds think alike?