World of Warships - Captain's Academy Episode 13 - Armour Angling

[@MrShadowpanther3]

Using these techniques, I have held off multiple battleships in my New Mexico while punishing all around me. Tying up several capital ships while the rest of my team clears out the smaller ones has often heavily tipped the balance. Angled vs broadside makes a world of difference. I have had rounds where 90+% of fire either bounced or did tiny amounts of damage while timing my gun swings to maximize the hurt on following ships. It has literally changed the entire face of the game. That and finally realizing citidel hits are at the waterline. Fairly healthy cruiser... baBAM... no cruiser. I now know why, as a cruiser captain, I was getting 80% of my hull shot off in the first few minutes of the game. So thank you sir for your explanation and examples!

[@VuNguyen-wo8bp]

More people need to learn that armor angling is very important in this game, thanks for posting. Had a North Carolina game where I was chased by 3 fusos while I was angling, took 115 hits and minimal damage the entire time. Angling also makes some cruisers very effective against even BB fire, I regularly drive my des Moines angled against Iowas and yamato and trade much better hp wise

[@ichasegaming]

Vu Nguyen Oh yeah :) even cruisers can bounce BB AP if well angled

[@lt3997]

8 Years later and I appreciate you as a new player

[@Maddog3060]

Armor angling works, that's for sure. I've bounced enemy shells in my Pensacola, of all things, because I had it angled. Not great armor, but angled it can be harder to penetrate. Another thing for people to realize is that ships were armored against what their designers imagined their primary opponents would be. A rule of thumb most designers went with, however, is armoring a ship to withstand hits from enemy guns with the same caliber of their main batteries. That is, a ship with 16-inch guns would be armored to protect against 16-inch guns. Thus don't expect angling a destroyer to work against a battleship, but you can occasionally bounce shots from enemy destroyers if you're at the right angle. Obviously, a ship's role as the designers imagined it more often than not affected how much it would be armored (also technical limitations and treaty obligations; see the North Carolina class). Hence why battlecruisers were much more lightly armored than proper battleships, and why some cruisers had good armor and others were thinly protected. Look up whatever ship you're using to see what her role was and you'll get an idea of how well she actually is protected.

[@bnadit1949]

Maddog3060 pepsicola*

[@mariofan1ish]

+Maddog3060 I've bounced shots off my Yorck's bow before (only about 15 mm up there). The angling works astounding wonders for some ships.

[@deadpan237]

hey man, I just wanted to say thanks for doing these! I jumped onto the WOWS bandwagon recently as a long-time WOT veteran and grabbed a Scharnhorst, well after a few battles of feeling useless I started looking for tips and stumbled upon your channel. I still have a lot to learn but at least I am hitting my targets and doing damage a reasonable amount of the time now! you definitely got a sub once I log into my alt channel.

[@LoganBarrettTriggerHappyGamez]

Words fail me.. No other person does this but you chase :'( Thank you :(((( I really can't say much else

[@ichasegaming]

Elo Veltix You're very welcome ^_^ glad I can help

[@mickg5660]

+Elo Veltix Damn good isn't he?!! Oh, and so are his vids and ALL info..Brilliant! Glad I don't encounter him as the enemy!

[@kristofferhustoft6152]

+Elo Veltix Yeah you're right. God I love this guy. !

[@Fallout3boy2077]

Thanks for this video man. I was able to take on two battleships at once in my Kongou because of the armor angling.

[@ichasegaming]

USMC1941 :D yay!

[@SergioPorcu1]

Finally a comprehensive talk about angling. Thanks Chase, hope it will show in my game play :)

[@ultimatedutchgamer]

Also I noticed something, angling your turrets also helps, instead of facing it directly try to turn it either 20-30 degrees away from the ship you are facing. It greatly improves your bouncerate!

[@ichasegaming]

koen bezemer :D that's pretty cool

[@Partycommissar]

An excellent video and quite an important one as well, especially for BBs. It also plays to the USN's BBs Superior turning capabilities compared to the IJN BBs, allowing you to get them in range of your guns with most of your health intact. That battle was awesome to watch too. On the live stream this battle was practically the perfect example of how armor angling works and how much of a difference it makes.

[@ichasegaming]

Partycommissar :D glad you enjoyed that party_commissar :D

[@ComradeThomas]

Hey Chase, you know what's ironic to me? In reality, crossing an enemy's T was the best possible thing in a gun battle. It allowed you to pummel an enemy ship with all your guns, while they could only respond with their forward batteries. In WoWS, it's completely different. As your video stated, a ship with its bow or stern pointed towards an enemy's broadside is going to survive much longer than a ship in a broadside duel. It doesn't matter if you have massive amounts of guns and shells hitting you, you're basically invulnerable. This kinda makes it so that crossing someone's T makes you die much quicker. Funny how WoWS and reality are practically opposites, isn't it?

[@kvnrthr1589]

Zerokiller1628 It's always annoying to see "realistic" games favor silly tactics. Not every aspect of naval warfare has to be modelled realistically, but when you actually lose by applying actual tactical principles the game loses any claims to realism. We can see in this video that applying WW1-style fighting columns, all guns bearing on the enemy, would fail in this game, a sad conclusion.

[@davidkaminski615]

Zerokiller1628 Crossing the T is only beneficial when you have multiple ships in a firing line. In this way, you have multiple full batteries of guns facing the first ship of an opponent's line of battle. In single ship engagements, mobility and target aspect ratio are more important.Take for example the naval engagement of Taffy 3. The American destroyers engaged the Japanese warships singly and they used their superior maneuverability to survive longer than they had any rights to be. The Japanese ships were disorganized and could not concentrate their firepower to overwhelm one single target. This was one reason why that battle was such a lopsided victory for the outmatched American destroyers. The American captains knew how to fight on their own, and Japanese tactics were to fight as a group in line of battle.So unless you form up with several players on your team into a battle like, Crossing the T isn't that important in single ship engagements.

[@ComradeThomas]

Yes, but you still have more guns on the target. Also, there is plunging fire to take in. You did state that rather well, though.

[@davidkaminski615]

Thank you! You are correct that you will have more guns on target, I'd say crossing the T is situational. It has it's benefits, and also it's shortcomings, as iChase demonstrated.

[@bnadit1949]

Zerokiller1628 well the dispersion actually makes crossing the T a bad tactic as it makes you get hit more as the dispersion is more to the sides than the forward-back

[@roondarmurnig338]

Thank you iChase! I don't play battleships very much (I main USN cruisers) but when I do this should be very helpful!

[@ofi1238]

Using the bow or stern to face the enemy does provide the maximum defense, but comes at the cost of higher risk of your guns getting outright destroyed if the opponent have the sense of ignore for your citadel and just disable you due to your position. Also, if you are fighting another ship trying to use angling to defend himself it's better to use HE instead of AP. HE shells can still be deflected but they are likely to detonated upon impact, thus able to deal damage and possibly fire to the target while AP is very likely to just bounce off. I'm not sure how feasible it is now to penetrate straight through the bow or stern for citadel like one of the earlier captain academy's videos after 3.1.

[@dynamiteharry1364]

I saw this battle on your stream! And I can tell you: I just was speachless! nearly 240k damage done!!! Amazing! -The first thing I thougt: This one makes the new EPIC BATTLE! I've never seen a BB performance like this. Perfect! You would have deserved the win! (5x) -If not you, who else?

[@ichasegaming]

Navy Günter :) I'm glad you had a chance to see it ^^ was indeed a fantastic battle

[@philjt7047]

is there a minimum, maximum distance that this works for? My thought is that at some point the shells stop coming straight on and begin doing plunging through your deck

[@qbubbaq]

phil Jt Plunging Fire is what you should be shooting for not the armor belt. Putting rounds in the decks is how you sink a ship.

[@Einsig]

Kyle Mackay Battleships could rarely hit a moving target at the ranges it became a real threat. If Wargaming goes this direction with the game in the interest of improving gameplay, that's something else entirely.

[@xyph3r]

Einsig except for when, you know.. plunging fire from the KM Bismarck penetrated the deck armour and one-hit sunk the HMS Hood on May 24th, 1941. or when divebombers attacked warships with armor penetrating bombs from straight above them... but yeah, plunging fire was only a fantasy...

[@Einsig]

One, Bismarck could not penetrate the deck armor of Hood at the ranges they engaged (14-18 kilometers). German guns used lighter weight, higher velocity shells which were naturally worse at penetrating deck armor, and Hood had sufficient deck armor to deflect them at that range. This is based on data the Germans themselves recorded on the performance of their guns. Hood was far more likely to have been blown up by a fire that managed to work its way into the magazine, and it is well known that there was a fire burning on Hood for a significant time that was most likely started by Prinz Eugen, not Bismarck. Two, dive bombers have absolutely nothing to do with naval guns, and bringing them up is just a red herring.

[@davidkaminski615]

Einsig I beg to differ. In the case of Hood, most of its upgraded armor was waiting for it back at the ship yard when it came in for its overhaul. The ship's condition was generally desperate and badly in need of attention. Based on many interviews of Ted Briggs which are readily available on KZbin, the fire caused by Prince Eugen and the fateful shot that detonated the aft magazine were two separate occurrences. If you're not convinced, look to the actions of the people who were in command of the boat, who were in a better position to know the abilities and deficiencies of their own boat more than you or I. Admiral Holland was deliberately closing the distance with Bismarck to cut down on plunging fire because he knew the deck armor could not withstand the shells from Bismarck. If, as you say the armor of his ship would withstand the shells from Bismarck, and that plunging fire was a myth, then why get so close?To answer the OP question, and I'm going to use American battleships as examples, it depends on the ship. Earlier ship's armor was optimized for short range engagements and flatter trajectory shells. As ranging and gun technology progressed and engagement distances became more distant, the element of plunging fire became more of an issue. Some Wikipedia entries of American battleships show you armor schemes. The later battleships show increasing angling against plunging fire.As a general rule, however since I don't know how the game calculates armor schemes, the flatter the trajectory, the increased likelihood your armor will bounce it. The more vertical the trajectory, the more likelihood the shot will go through decks, superstructure, or turret roves which have less armor than hull sides and turret faces.

[@DannyZhangNT]

Great video! Unfortunately, now during the open beta there is a lot more HE spamming battleships who simply spam at my superstructure, which kind of negates angling. Although, when someone does fire AP, this is very applicable and useful.

[@viktor8316]

Like in WoT, you should take less damage against HE by angling.

[@cobrazax]

+Viktor HE has nothing to do with angling, however if u r angled, u can be harder to hit compared to clear angles like going right/left/closer/away.

[@Jetpower485]

Wow, I hadn't even considered this to be possible in WoWS. I got making a small profile, but I never though about ricocheting. One question though, what about long range plunging shots?

[@richardb3882]

Nice Vid. Chase:) I have been trying this in USN Cruisers with mixed results, I think my problem is going broadside too quick just to get 1 more battery on target, certainly going to try and apply what you said more in the vid..

[@ichasegaming]

Richard B Lemme know if it helps ^^

[@slikrx]

I would think that at long range, the shells are moving more vertically in a "plunging fire" scenario, and angling will have less effect. Thoughts?

[@oseansoldier]

Then you run into a high RoF cruiser who spams HE shells at you and roasts all of your health away with fires. Great video again! Been trying to do this in most of my games. Good to know it wasn't for nothing.

[@ichasegaming]

oseansoldier Eventually they'll fix HE, so then this will be really important :D

[@oseansoldier]

iChaseGaming I am very much looking forward to that patch. And when they fix carriers! Really want to give them another shot.

[@davidracek3051]

great tutorials. aiming, ap, citadel and this was exactly what i needed to know

[@Albireo8]

Very well constructed video. Good work. Subscribed!

[@ArtietheArchon]

if you MUST broadside to the enemy, either do it behind an island, or do it at full rudder and full throttle so that your ship cuts hard enough to throw off their shot and you minimize the exposure time. if there are multiple enemies and you can't avoid being broadside to all of them, retreat and live to fight another day

[@Tigerwilson88]

Once again. You have taught me valuable information. I had never thought about angling ships like I did in tanks. Thanks for doing these videos!

[@ichasegaming]

Tigerwilson88 You're very welcome, glad I could help :)

[@fanruye2038]

Thank you, Chase. Always have something to learn from you. BTW, can you give me some advice on how to counter enemy DDs? Sometimes I feel that I need to eliminate enemy DD. To do the job I try to turn my ship (usually a cruiser) towards the DD because i need to get close to see it, and I need to dodge torpedoes. But things usually don't turn out very well. What should I do in this case?

[@AOErocks3832]

What about plunging fire? At common high tier battleship engagement ranges, wouldn't angling be less relevant since most shells are penetrating the deck armor?

[@ichasegaming]

+ChineseCheese Sadly with the range compression in the game, plunging fire almost doesn't exist for BBs..

[@ComputersAreRealCool]

Is this more of a defensive tactic (as in when you are just trying to survive, since you lose your rear guns at more extreme angles), or should you do this when battling someone as well?

[@mariofan1ish]

+ComputersAreRealCool It's more of an offensive tactic in my experience. Yes, you lose some of your guns. But you also gain a lot of bounces, which make approaching to brawl range significantly easier. This works amazing in most cruisers, as if you can get close enough, you can just torpedo the target instead. It will hurt them badly no matter what angle they're at. Battleships make good use of it, too. In one-on-one battleship duels, the battleship with the better angling tends to win. If one unloads shots into the angled armor, they have a massive cooldown, allowing the opposing BB to swing around and bring the rest of their cannons to bare. Lastly, even if you're down most of your guns, if you're at a good angle and they're at a bad angle, you'll be able to score Citadels and high damage areas a lot easier than they can damage you.

[@ussxrequin]

The best offense is a good defense. As you wither down opponents with your guns on their exposed areas, their shells become less effective against your angling. If you need extra firepower, wait until they've fired their guns to turn your ship in order to get rear guns to line up. Fire, and re-angle.

[@Scarheart76]

Very informative video!

Tremendously nifty video. Thanks for this.

[@rocketman-246]

Hi Chase and i like the explanation of angling ,but I do have a question about your video. If the Mexico had not of gone the direction it took and forced you to the edge of map ,what would of your options of been at that point ?. It really was only because of the captains mistakes that presented you with away of escaping your own destruction. I am not going to give you a thumbs down ,because you still explained angling very well.

[@ussxrequin]

If worst came to worst, Chase could have simply hugged the border to maintain his angle. I don't think the engine/steering debuff was in effect when this video was made.

[@11lowlight11]

question for you i want to know what happen when you are facing the enemy... i mean, the front is actually round and should bounce correctly... and what happen when the shell hit the top/bridge of the ship... thx for your answer and really great video by the way^^ i try to do some videos about many different game but they don't have this quality ^^

[@chrispartridge2428]

Huge help man, thanks

[@smonk4198]

Another very informative video, thnx ichase! :)

[@ichasegaming]

Skatesy glad to help :D

[@unobark4170]

Hey Chase, I think most of the ships are getting more fragile now. The good armor angling might not be as useful as it was before. What do you think about this?

[@walterrider1612]

wow good idea chase makes sense too

[@ichasegaming]

Walter Rider XD anytime

[@ronnietageskov5219]

Hi Chase, love your videos :-) They're very informative. I do have a question in regards to angling your armor well against your foes: in my experience some players are deliberately aiming for your turrets when you try to angle your ship against the incoming fire. This may be a noob question, but besides maneuvering do you have any suggestions on how to continue the fight with 1 or 2 destroyed gun-turrets? (ie. un-repairable)

[@ichasegaming]

Ronnie Tage Skov RAMMMM :P

[@ronnietageskov5219]

iChaseGaming Excellent idea! :D Thank you hehe On a side-note, these principles regarding angling armor will not work in long range gunnery duels would they? Other then presenting a smaller target for your opponents (which is a good thing) your side-armor doesn't handle plunging fire .. maneuvering to engage targets incoming fire with your armor is only for medium to short range fights correct?

[@margretfortune1524]

If at lone range would the plunging effect negate this armor angling tactic?

[@ichasegaming]

Unfortunately, due to World of Warships compressed ranges, plunging fire isn't really in effect...sooo not really

[@TheBluePhoenix79]

Chase I have a theory that maps are base on the server because I have never seen that map on the beginning so far I've played this game

[@SonnyKnutson]

iChaseGaming Please respond. Where can I find the armor stats for the diffrent modules or parts of the ship? I Think I saw it somewhere in one of your videos but I am unable to find it again and I cannot find it ingame anywhere.

[@ichasegaming]

Sonny Knutson They removed it in the last patch...said the information wasn't complete enough >.

[@andyjung6787]

hey chase I love your videos and the intro!

[@Jeff17360]

Man I love this I will try

[@landocalrissian6001]

I use HE on angling ships... guarenteed damage. Then switch to AP if he shows his broadside.

[@itsReiWoWS]

If you position your ship to make it so you take less damage, wouldn’t that mean that you deal less to the enemy as well?

[@Litago94]

Do this strategy only works on battleships?

[@rmc9873]

Sadly, you can't do anything when they start to use HE

[@kyletimmons421]

Does plunging fire effect how you angle your armor?

[@ichasegaming]

Kyle Timmons Some say that plunging fire isn't really working right now, so it's still mostly belt armour for now

[@kleif1027]

can you put the HE effect on 0.3.1 update? on capt. academy

[@easternwind4435]

another thing to mention is, in a 1v1 allways shoot on the side of your ship to witch the enemy is moving

[@davidcollings4750]

I hope u reply to this but does it help that u are getting so many citadels cuz u have massive guns, I am at the tier 5 Kongo and get citadels and aim for the spots but not as many as I see you tend to get, is that because the higher penetrating guns can go through any side amour when the Kongo struggles to get through the new York's hull sorry English isn't my native tongue.

[@ichasegaming]

+david collings It's a lot harder to get citadels now, the citadel spots are the same but now they require the shells to actually penetrate into the citadels for it to count (so citadel armour plays a much bigger role now). Back when this video was made, shots hitting the top of a citadel would register the hit even if it didn't go in fully. Still if u aim correctly you should still see reasonably consistent citadel hits.

[@davidcollings4750]

+iChaseGaming yeah thanks as I said I am at the Kongo and only get about 1 citadel per game but mostly I got thrown into tier 7 games. Do u mind me asking how long did I it take for you to get good at the game what tier were u at when it clicked and u became awesome

[@pablo4740]

+david collings what is your in-game name and server you play on?

[@davidcollings4750]

+Pablo Schoots Vhexdavester123 and EU why?

[@pablo4740]

david collings I just wanted to look up your stats.

[@angelfreshey]

when you are in the dock could you check how much armor your ship had i cant find it anymore? do you know where it went because i will like to know how mush armor my ships got. thx if you can or not help :)

[@ichasegaming]

angelfreshey They removed it citing that armour is too complex to put in simple numbers

[@angelfreshey]

k thx for telling me

[@unname8486]

Very informative

[@perfectsanity15]

i heard no mention of DD's, i'm assuming thats because teh tissue paper that DD's use instead of armor does not deflect anything

[@CrnaStrela]

Riv deflects low caliber shot and sometimes even the medium one, I'm not sure if it's going to bounce deflects on 152mm of cleveland's or155mm of mogami's but it surely bounce deflect the destroyers shells

[@ichasegaming]

Riv same ideas, but can only block really small guns :P not much use against larger guns. DD is about stealth not armour

[@leonardofranzinribeiro4220]

dude i got the sims and i keep finding myself hiding behind a island trying to torp people am i suposed to do that or should use them as secondaries and only use guns?

[@WirlWind494]

Leonardo Franzin Ribeiro Shoot destroyers and cruisers with guns, torp anything slow and fat. Trouble with the US destroyers is they have tiny, pathetic torpedo's. The guns are pretty decent though, so really, just go around and focus on taking out enemy destroyers and lightly armoured cruisers. If you see a battleship or slow heavy cruiser going somewhere they can't escape torps (like a channel), THEN go for a rush in and torp, but make sure you have smoke ready.

[@leonardofranzinribeiro4220]

WirlWind ok i use to always try to ambush for slow bbs and i usually die with that

[@WirlWind494]

Leonardo Franzin Ribeiro You may want to give the Japanese destroyers a try, since they're far better at ambushing than the Murican's. The Sims is a great little destroyer killer with the guns it has, you can do laps around other destroyers (since your guns turn so fast, most dont!) and totally wreck them. Now a Jap DD (T5 Minekaze) for example, has worse guns. but torps with 10km range (6km at start, but almost 70 knots!) and a 5.9km spotted range. You can literally spend half the game circling out of their spotting range and firing torps off at them (they reload fast too). I spent about 15 minutes and got 2 kills without ever being spotted a few days ago.

[@leonardofranzinribeiro4220]

WirlWind i tried it and it is coll the thing is i bought the sims so i wanna get good at it you know

[@CheeWaiLee1972]

Is this new to patch 0.3? I've never noticed shots bouncing (since 0.3, I've started noticing them bounce off the turrets too) before.

[@ADMIRALTIA]

Chee Wai Lee Not necessarily. It has been there for a while, however it was a rare occurrence given how armor was next to useless. It only became more apparent since they changed the effectiveness of armor which actually meant Battleships could finally do what they were meant to do.

[@CheeWaiLee1972]

Scoom-kun Ah cool, thanks! Guess I'm going to have to adjust my old play style for BBs as I figure this out.

[@Arclite02]

Scoom-kun ...And then they buffed HE shells through the Stratosphere, making all of this irrelevant immediately. Now a Cruiser just loads HE, hits any Battleship for 5000 to 10,000+ damage per salvo, and starts fires that automatically burn for 20,000 damage with no way to stop them.

[@ADMIRALTIA]

Personally I don't think its the HE shells that's the problem but rather the one time then dead repair button. They really need to come up with a better repair system because the current one is just bad. After you've used it then get set on fire or flooded a second later you might as well be dead already.

[@Arclite02]

Scoom-kun Very true - the automatic Ultra-Death fires are seriously not cool. But seriously - it's incredibly frustrating to be in a Battleship, get spotted by ONE CRUISER, and then... 3000, 5000, 4000, 2500, 3500, 3000... All in the span of one reload. Even single shells of Destroyer-caliber HE are good for 1000+ damage against any Battleship, regardless of armor, no matter where on the ship they hit. Fires may be worse, but this is just idiotic.

[@Javaman92]

I found this interesting but all the time I was listening, I kept thinking, but what about the arc? I've heard that some ships have a high arc and basically can be coming mostly down onto your deck, which is lighter armored and of course almost flat to the trajectory.

[@ichasegaming]

Javaman92 It is possible but since most combat tends to be done at a shorter range where the belt takes the majority of the hits (max range vs. effective range) you won't see too many deck hits :P

[@dk988-y]

Sorry am new to the game but what button do you use to get the zoomed aiming?

[@TD2008T]

You scroll forward with the scroll wheel on the mouse

[@dk988-y]

Nitroustejas Thank you :)

[@TD2008T]

if you have anymore questions, you can ask them here and ill try to help

[@dk988-y]

Nitroustejas Hello I tried what you mentioned and while it works it wasn't exactly what I was asking about, usually when I wish to zoom I hit shift and it brings a view like am looking through an optic, in this video it looks very different without those curved edges or that measurement line in the center I get. How to I make it look like that??

[@TD2008T]

You scroll your mouse a little, then it zooms in on one of the turrets, you scroll more and it goes into scope mode. sorry

[@gwin2719]

I chase, you're the man to go to for ship knowledge. I had a game in my Farragut just a few minutes before this and I loaded in thinking all was well. It was not. My guns would not move from their positions trained fore and aft no matter what I tried, nor would they fire. Later in the game I tried ramming an enemy cruiser but he took my steering out. I thought "Ah don't complain old chap you can just repair it" So I pressed R slowly at first, more frantically second and almost pounded it third. That didn't work either. Long story short my Farragut is suitably holed, more than a tad wet and doing a great impression of some of the more harrowing scenes of Das Boot. Can you offer any advice old chum ? Much appreciated.

[@HenryHoblahblahblah]

Tom Godwin Did you check your ping? Servers can always screw up u know (eg. 1106) ping which could greatly mess up your timing. Maybe you were just unlucky at that time.

[@gwin2719]

My ping was a bit high, 80-100 through the game on average higher if it spiked. But nowhere near the 1000 mark.

[@ichasegaming]

Tom Godwin It's a bug, I ran into it too today, just restart the game :)

[@gwin2719]

iChaseGaming Thank you kindly good sir.

[@margretfortune1524]

Ok angling is the optimal situation. Could you defeat this tactic by using HE and firing into the superstructure?

[@ichasegaming]

Armour angling can be negated somewhat by HE, as long as the HE has enough penetration to go through the raw armour thickness. So for example 152mm can penetrate armour below 25mm. So if armour is 25mm thick, 152mm shells won't be able to penetrate that armour. However, if 152mm HE gets IFHE then it goes up by 30% at the cost of some fire chance. This means that 152mm with IFHE has 33mm of penetration, this will allow it to penetrate 32mm of armour. Also firing AP at the superstructure can work too :D

[@margretfortune1524]

Thank you that is helpful. Nice to see DJ( my hubby) isn't wrong on everything.

[@MeThorvald]

Angling is a very helpful thing when fighting guys using AP. But is there a way to countermeasure those OP HE beasts (Cleveland)? Angling ain't helping. Even in Amagi you'll have a bad day if you won't kill her with two salvos. Plus there are many, many BB players shooting HE too. I would like to rename battleships to torch-ships instead :< It's easier to dodge 3 torpedo waves from bombers than avoiding HE shells from Cleveland (while sailing on BB). So much for the balance in CBT >:P

[@ichasegaming]

Dartharion HE will eventually be fixed, so AP will eventually be very important again

[@Brom2855]

This work against the yamamoto's main guns in a CA?

[@4trox4ever40]

Depends. Can prevent a citadel. But seriously. Don't let her hit her, you'll die

[@ussxrequin]

It improves your chances of living longer.

[@TheYollowBarron]

Awsome Chase it realy helps :D

[@ichasegaming]

TheYollowBarron Glad I can help ^_^

[@Cthabest5]

That was a very usefull and well explained video. I'm glad wargaming is working with bouncing mechanics, otherwise it would be like winter showdown of WoT, where you only had to had the target lol. But great vid Ichase keep up the good work.

[@ichasegaming]

Cthabest5 Thank you ^_^ stay tuned for more videos

[@danielwatters1203]

Of course, once you get far enough away, the ship's positioning is moot as gravity is angling your deck and belt armor on your behalf. The concept of an "immunity zone" was well known. This was the region where the target was too far away to penetrate its armored belt, but too close to penetrate its armored deck. Folks are also ignoring the fact that hitting the superstructure and upper hull is not an effective way to use AP. While AP shells were typically heavier than their HE counterparts, the penetration capabilities of AP ammunition comes at the cost of its explosive content. To give an extreme example, the 16" Mk 8 AP shell of the North Carolina, Iowa, and Montana weighed 2,700 lbs versus the 1,900 lbs of the 16" Mk 13 and Mk 14 HE shells. However, the heavy AP shell only had a bursting charge of 40.9 lbs versus the 153.6 lbs of the much lighter HE shells. In addition, the AP shells had longer fuse settings for insuring that the shell only exploded after penetrating its designed thickness of armor. If you don't hit heavy armor, your AP shell may very well pass completely though the target ship before exploding. WW2-era Japanese AP shells were notorious for this, as many had extra-long fuse settings designed in hopes of penetrating the hull under the waterline when shells fell just short of the target.

[@breehoyt1426]

Is this still up to date?

[@glocklover8986]

wow awesome dude

[@caldwellkelley3084]

Excellent information .. helps a very great deal!! Thanks Admiral!! (Yes a promotion)

[@ichasegaming]

Caldwell Kelley Anytime ^_^ always happy to help

[@basgroenewegen9084]

Geat video again intructor! GJ

[@ichasegaming]

Bas Groenewegen Thank you ^_^

[@JOINTBAW]

so wats next for world of warships?

[@szerenyizoltan1243]

Any advice against HE spaming cruisers?

[@ichasegaming]

In a BB? Use AP and citadel them :) in a CA do the same, in a DD, torps and run ^^

[@redsnapper7785]

Good episode as usual ;) But you talking "only" about ships side-armor. Whats about long ranged shoots and deck-hits? WG is talking about an immunity zone where ur ship is maximum resistant vs both of this hits.

[@ichasegaming]

***** Seems like for now plunging fire isn't really working as intended...>.< this is more for belt armour

[@samcheng6488]

how about they all using HE?It does not follow this rule what should i do in this "HE everywhere" situation? and i saw you said several times"HE will be fixed" what makes you believe that?

[@wetlettuce4768]

sam cheng If they're spamming HE just curse as they start multiple fires and piss your self laughing when you destroy them in a single AP barrage then realise the repair module won't be ready in time before the fires kill you.

[@PUTLEADINURHEAD]

Well that was very enlightening nice job! ~Fog_Battleship_NewJersey

[@ichasegaming]

PUTLEADINURHEAD Cheers :D

[@kuroyasha1692]

Player: It’s a draw Chase: NOPE.

[@DubbleTwice]

What about "plunging fire"?

[@DubbleTwice]

tamenga88 Interesting. I understand that the Hood was likely steaming towards Bismarck as fast as possible to avoid the plunging fire. (I believe its deck armour was weaker as it came from an era wen ranges were shorter and thus plunging fire less of a risk) I feel this would be an interesting game mechanic. Do you think this is in fact replicated in game?

[@DubbleTwice]

be cool if they could manage it. Night action. That a great idea! lol .... fog of war fun ... "ships passing in the night" ... lol star shells. A lot of cool mechanics and tactics could be involved. Gets my vote.

[@ArfurFaulkesHake]

Did the armour bite?

[@HenryHoblahblahblah]

book5ter No, but it sure chewed those shells coming at it.

[@julopabene8736]

I remember one match where I went up against a Kongo in my Cleveland and I killed it completely and he only took about 1/3 of my HP :P

[@MultiEinsteinium]

So obviously most of the video deals with "hull shots", aimed with the intent of breaching the Citadel - which obviously gives great results. But how does the superstructure react to being shot at an angle. Obviously most superstructures are composed of different angles, but are superstructures also less armoured and therefore a good "HP Mine" during angled combat? Finally, as others have already mentioned, doesn't the current perceived "OPness" of HE make angling less relevant?

[@ichasegaming]

Col MacHopper the superstructure isn't going to result in too much damage, as for HE, it'll get adjusted. It's too OP right now

[@colesweet8478]

How do I counter good angling?

[@infetrus]

cole sweet Move away to change his angle or fire HE - you'll do some damage and start a fire insted of bouncing. Personally if i'm in a battleship and i need to deal with another battleship but he's stubbornly angling, i'll fire HE at him. Still most battleships have to show their side to fire all guns.

[@ussxrequin]

Armor does not affect damage from high explosive shells. Additionally/alternatively, one could attack the opponent's superstructure.

[@MikeGleason494]

Thank You

[@hi13760]

They change the armor angling for cruisers in the patch on 6/11/15

[@ichasegaming]

Tim Frey They did, but I am still bouncing shells :P still applicable :)

[@GuitarBoy_NL_]

the north carolina fight is exactly why you dont fire one main salvo but multiple

[@rabooey]

Smart video, but there's no need for that minimap math. All you have to do is point your guns at the ship(s) you're angling against and look at the ship model in the lower left corner. There, you can see your ship angle vs. your target exactly. :)

[@ichasegaming]

rabooey :P was just trying to explain in more detail

[@TheSelinski]

Hell yeah!

[@ichasegaming]

TheSelinski :D giving away all the secrets :P

[@qbubbaq]

Until HE Shells are fixed Armor means little right now Just HE spam too Win. If the BB's in this battle had a clue and used HE you would have been burnt down in mins.

[@CrnaStrela]

Kyle Mackay with BB ridiculously low rate of fire? I don't think so HE totally effective against low armored target but with heavily armored target like battleships the damage would be just too low, even the fire won't do anything if it occurred. Plus battleships at that tier mostly would take fire prevention setup and I'm 99% sure there won't be any of the battleship get pyromaniac captain skill, so the chance of chase burnt to death by the fire of 3 battleships if they decided to go full HE is totally low.

[@bnadit1949]

Arleran yea but the 1-3k constant that HE does with 1 SHELL will kill you very quickly

[@CrnaStrela]

only if the one shoot you is cruiser or USN DD. He was talking about 3 BB in the videos there.

[@ichasegaming]

Kyle Mackay HE will most likely be fixed :) so armour will then become useful. So it'll be relevant soon

[@yifanwang3978]

Thanks Ichase, and by no means directed at you, with the current HE mechanics, this is not that useful when cruisers spamming fast firing 6 inch shells can burn and sink a battleship with almost no time.

[@ichasegaming]

Yifan Wang Eventually they'll fix HE, so this will be more relevant then :P

[@PinkPanter1337]

HOW DO I GET THIS GAME PLZ

[@Haladmer]

Panter If you really want to know, there are a couple of ways: Cheapest/easiest -> go to: worldofwarships.com/ and register, they'll eventually open more beta slots (worst case - [Rumor] it'll go to open beta later this year) Most expensive way -> go to worldofwarships.com/ and buy a pre-order pack Otherwise wait for a game key giveaway on the major KZbinrs/Streamers channels

[@ultimatedutchgamer]

Armor angling vs HE spamming cruisers :(, its so stupid nowadays that HE kils a bb faster then ap.. But angling indeed works in my North Carolina i have bounced even yamato shels by angling :P

[@bnadit1949]

koen bezemer the Yamato has poorer pen than an Iowa, not a huge acomplishment

[@ultimatedutchgamer]

I know but still if i didnt angle they would have gone straight through me.

[@ichasegaming]

koen bezemer Angling will deflect, if you didn't it probably woulda citadeled you. HE will be fixed so armour angling will play a bigger role

[@Ghostbuster-xg4sy]

That is why u do not ever show ur broadside to any ship with big gunz

[@TheDutchRanger]

great guide, but i dont think it will really help against cruisers spamming HE

[@ichasegaming]

TheDutchRanger HE will eventually be fixed, so this will be relevant. But still important vs BBs

[@kurtissmith4596]

hope to see you in a game boboboi the user lol

[@TheBluePhoenix79]

this wasn't very helpful for me when I usually in a battle I get attacked from all sides the destroyers behind us thee bbs sniping out of our range and the torpedo bombers doing an x attack on me ;-; ;-; ;-;

[@TheBluePhoenix79]

Also I have the de each to forget my class I usually end up in my Omaha broadside on broadside with a New York

[@SoulAnubis1]

there all spamming there HE while the oppenents citadels are completely exposed.. only HE shells

[@armydudert]

Noooo now others will angle! lol some people just stay broadside on and you can 2v1 people who dont know about angling. great tutorial though keep it up!

[@ichasegaming]

ANTIDAD :P lots of people already angling in game lol...made life much harder lol

[@margretfortune1524]

My husband says play destroyers and shoot HE or torps, He's a WOT guy what do they know.

[@ichasegaming]

well if you play DD, you mostly shoot HE and torps :) although you can use AP when targets are full broadside and at closer ranges, then your AP will shred superstructure and upper belt for lots of pen damage :)

[@TheAdamski99]

1MS PING???

[@user-ge5oe9oo2k]

AP got nerfed since this

[@corvettefunstudios]

You kinda sound like Reza Aslan

[@kaloyanradkov8962]

bouncing AP round ... yeah - in 3.1 EVERYONE shoots HE!!!!!

[@ichasegaming]

Kaloyan Radkov well they'll eventually fix HE

[@subhelm6394]

thanks Chase. now i can make people get fustrated when they can't kill me. But i can kill them. (Evil laugh)

[@subhelm6394]

damnit!! ENGINEER!!! BOLT MORE ARMOUR!!!!

[@ichasegaming]

Jim Zong lol, already more people angling today >.

[@papatango2362]

Why are you concerned about bouncing. 406mm guns can overmatch New Mexico