World of Warships - Fuzzy Lollipop

[@ianrobertsonpiano]

Jingles: "Calm, methodical, and precise defense of that flank." Fuzzylollipop in chat: "COME BACK ASSHOLES" 🤣

[@raideurng2508]

"I'm sure he'd like to extend his thanks to his teammates"

[@johnkoontz1271]

Fuzzy's toxic chat was NOT enjoyable.

[@Snoopmasta]

Yeah, he has been a major idiot in chat. I would've abandoned him and accepted the loss just for the lols.

[@davidmoore1253]

"Being accused of cheating by someone you've just outplayed is the biggest compliment they can pay you!" Counterpoint - it proves that you just outplayed an idiot, which somewhat devalues the achievement.

[@wisdomleader85]

People who favor German ships seem to be more self-centered than others in general. I don't know why.

[@TrueCanad1an]

I think having a player on the loosing team saying GG is another good example of a compliment.

[@vgamesx1]

@@TrueCanad1an Sure, but the best compliments are always the direct ones though, like "nice shot" or "well played" when you beat them.

[@Taooflu]

It’s not an achievement though since it’s unknowingly bestowed, nor sought after!

[@stevetheduck1425]

@@wisdomleader85 Like people who buy VWs, BMWs and Audis?

[@RustyITNerd]

Jingles, it's a Tier 8 destroyer - just sayin'... But it wouldn't be a Jingles video without Jingles being Jingles. xD

[@strenifstrecs2551]

You forgot to say 'Um, actually' so it doesn't count

[@RustyITNerd]

@@strenifstrecs2551 I didn't want to trigger Jingle's wrath upon me. There are still some levels beneath me in the salt mines.

[@sonic4spuds]

He said tier 8 at the beginning, so I was wondering what this was even about.

[@pinkyandbrain123]

@@sonic4spuds he said t7 first at 1:26 and t8 later.

[@JoyousOblivion]

@@pinkyandbrain123 Said T8 first, T7 later and T8 after that.

[@geoffcameron1138]

Love the cat snoring in the background at the start - apparently Jingles' voice can put cats to sleep, among its other qualities!

[@heridfel]

Service comment: sleeping cats don't purr ... but they might snore

[@geoffcameron1138]

@@heridfel Excellent point - I have edited my comment accordingly.

[@mm2900mm]

Thinking about that comments it suddenly made me think, "yeah, he does have kind of a soothing voice", for lack of better way to say it. They should make him a forced commander voice on the EU server. Maybe it would calm people to a point where we could reduce the amount of toxicity in the chat to a bearable point? xD

[@heridfel]

@@mm2900mm Now THAT is a wise comment. I actually have Jingles as a commander, but he's not purring. We need to enlist Akazuki the Cat as well

[@geoffcameron1138]

@@mm2900mm It's a good idea - my only concern is that not even Jingles' soothing tones can calm some of the muppets out there to the point of civility ...

[@merijnfluitman5761]

The most important criterium for getting your game narrated by Jingles: Good name!

[@jarrodroberson]

this is the source of the name kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZa3cpuagceBkKs

[@DagTheCat]

"Calm, methodical, and precise defense of that flank" while he's screaming and cursing his team in chat, lmao. Very calm! Certainly methodical and precise, though

[@johnfrancisterne1072]

Dumbledore levels of calmness right there

[@kings_nemesis5995]

And I thought I get angry in this game

[@Daark_Karma]

Fuzzylollipop said, calmly.

[@tomriley5790]

"Oland has the lowest hitpoint pool of any of the tier VII destroyers" Professional WoWs youtuber right there 🙂! Don't ever change Jingles ! Excellent dd play by fuzzylollipop but completely agree that all that skill would have been irrelevant if the cv had come and spotted him...

[@Riker1990]

I was just about to comment that it didn't even take Papa Jingles 90 seconds to show his true self ;)

[@lrcasey84]

Oh I got you beat. Within 10 seconds. He forgot Orkan has radar on enemy team lol. Typical jingles lol.

[@clientcomun1958]

He forgot to take his frog pills again.

[@Nighthunter6666]

Not exactly excellent DD play. he only dodged the DD's torp by sheer luck and not skill, even worse, he beached himself while fighting. 0 situation awereness. Next he spent the MAJORITY of the battle trying to sink a german cruiser of all things and kept launching torps in the most stupid ways possible. Just look at the aim indicator when he is torping and pay attention where he is actually launching his torps. NONE of his torp launches were actually good predictions or were on point. He even managed to miss STATIONARY targets TWICE... excellent play my ass.

[@SillPVGaming]

@@Nighthunter6666 Yep. 90% luck (vs) 10% skills

[@that1connor583]

“Calm, methodical and precise”. Calm: “Defend the base you dipshits” Methodical: “Get back you assholes” Precise: Tried torping the Hipper, misses by a good kilometer and nicks the Atlantico, knocking out his engine in the process. Oh, btw, those quotes are also meant to be in full caps.

[@DRUNKRUSSAIN2]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Xingmey]

dumbledor levels of calmness there

[@Tiim3001]

Yeah I really don't know why one should feature this video. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of replays send, that are much more entertaining and better played than this. Especially because usually Ye Ole Jingles does not feature assholes but this guy shouting at the team in all caps while playing his dd mediocre at best was really annoying

[@kaltaron1284]

@@Tiim3001 Yeah. I can only assume Jingles missed that in chat.

[@NomadRidesHD]

+1

[@Najolve]

Last night I played again where I ended up dueling another DD. In the end I came out of it with 10hp and we both said at the same time, "That's 9 hp more than I needed." Jingles really has made his mark on the community.

[@jeroenvandenhark1480]

Some EPIC cat snoring throughout, starting at 0:30 😂

[@MartinTraXAA]

The best ASMR channel...

[@user-vw5xx5qf5n]

I was in the Atlantico. I really thought we had this, but once I lost the cruisers with me I knew I was screwed. Salute to Fuzzylollipop he was awesome.

[@mudman619]

i know we all like to be a backseat driver in retrospect, but I'm mainly a BB player & had that been me, I would've been helping those cruisers hunt down the rogue DD - he was the priority, not getting into the cap. too many ppl prioritize getting into the enemy cap in those 1 v 1 cap battles & forget the true objective of every battle: killing all the enemy. But either way, that battle was not lost by you 3 on your flank. Your teammates on the other flank lost the battle with that lemming-train. They lemminged, had the power-fire advantage, & lost anyway. As soon as I saw that lemmingtrain, I knew it was going to go bad for your team.

[@jarrodroberson]

Your cruisers did leave you hanging out to dry. The Helena had no chance, isolated with only 3K hp, he should have stuck with you helped block torps; and the HIPPER just suicided after giving up on chasing down the OLAND, he should have ran the OLAND down into the map border. You did the best job you could.

[@fedupgamer9075]

Why enter the cap with a BB, you can't cap a contested cap in a BB, especially with an enemy CV in game, they will just keep resetting you until you're dead.

[@pturner86]

You know the CV player is watching this thinking, "two cruisers and a secondary battleship can't take care of one lone destroyer, how is that my fault?"

[@timmcgreal8024]

I love when a good story has a happy ending! Thanks for the replay Jingles and stay safe and good day to you!!!

[@Harv72b]

"He was only spotted 3 times in the entire match, and with the exception of the first two, every other time it was under his terms." Classic Jingles. God bless ya, m'lord!

[@mackinawsensei3541]

If you listen carefully, you can hear one of the cats purring in the microphone at the start of the video. Seal of approval right there.

[@windborne8795]

Are you up there around the Straits of Mackinac? I'm from Traverse originally...

[@mnemon2848]

Sounded more like a cat of aproval...

[@mackinawsensei3541]

@@windborne8795 Nah, I’m French. I discovered what my name could mean after I had chosen it.

[@thirdfey]

Gotta love the New Orleans at the start of the match saying, capture the enemy base, then abandoning his flank and staying in his own team's base most of the game. Do as I say, not as I do

[@simonkennedy8936]

We Vermonters almost never actually pronounce anything with the original French pronunciation. In the case of Montpelier, it's pronounced Mont-pill-yer, or Mont-peel-yer

[@redbear6]

Or Mount Peculiar. At least when the legislature is in session.

[@KINGSUN_33]

A great late night video of some world of warships from jingles is always the best

[@BlackDogHair1]

Was gonna say the same thing.

[@MrKawaltd750]

1.26 sec. in and Ole Jingle fumbles the ball on the Oland tier.

[@armanhadi777]

Tier 7..destroyer. Signature Jingles. We love him though.

[@stevepeterson6070]

Congratz, you have posted the first wows video in the history of youtube that features a DD AND has a CV in the game also.

[@DRUNKRUSSAIN2]

I’ve been watching for maybe three years now still great content and hope to stay with the channel for a very long time Moving forward

[@zeromarine1985]

must have been a slow content kind of day for this to be posted lol. some luck here and there was all this game had in it, almost getting wreaked by a tier 6 in an 8 was amazing

[@colewall1777]

These types of videos are so informative. It really has helped my gameplay

[@Dumbrarere]

In defense of the Scharnhorst, I don't think it would have mattered. The Scharnhorst already knew he was spotted by something, perhaps correctly assumed it was a destroyer, and continued moving knowing that he had nothing left to lose in his position and opted to take someone out with him. It was either stay there and get torpedoed to hell and back (and get yelled at by everyone on his team for playing Pokemon with FuzzyLollipop's torpedoes), go back (and get yelled at by everyone on his team for wasting time and being a coward, despite it being the best option tactically and strategically), or sail forwards straight into enemy gunfire and get sunk by the majority of FuzzyLollipop's team (and get yelled at by everyone on his team for sailing into a crossfire.)

[@zardoz_ii2061]

Would love to have seen the red team chat. Wonder how many times they asked the CV to help spot the DD that was slinging torps at them. CV player "Aint' nobody go time for that!"

[@Frostytravels]

Howdy jungles..good to see ya this fine morning...great video as usual

[@majordisappointment8692]

Thanks Fuzzylollipop for sending in the replay and thanks Jingles for the running commentary.

[@jaywerner8415]

Pretty safe to say Fuzzylolpops success was indeed due to the STUPID play by the enemy Carrier. And possibly the enemy team as well for not requesting support from him.

[@kaltaron1284]

We don't know whether they requested support from him or not and why would that stop him from farming damage?

[@dclark142002]

Anyone who says this was the CVs mistake has never played the Serov or any Russian CV not named Naughtimov. The whole point of Russian CV play is to farm large ships. You don't give your team an advantage with a Serov by spotting DDs...you give your team the advantage by killing or pushing around the enemy big ships.

[@jaywerner8415]

@@dclark142002 So? Would it have killed him to take 2 seconds to drop some fighters over their or something? Plus the skip bombs are quite potent vs DDs or anything else for that matter.

[@jaywerner8415]

@@kaltaron1284 Id imagine after the several torpedo hits they would start asking for some intelligence, at least drop some fighters in the general area.

[@michaeljacob9381]

Great vid, thx!

[@Facet_5_CUT_8XM]

The name of this video made me laugh! I needed it! Thank you!

[@zFeatherz]

2 second reload, but he zooms out for a second after each salvo 🙈

[@thegrandadmiral7963]

Ah, thank you. I knew I'd missed yet another mistake when I was writing the list... that drove me nuts. It's like, do you want to gun the Gaede down, or not?

[@lunsmann]

@@thegrandadmiral7963 - tunnel vision on a single target gets more DD's killed than doing what he is doing - the incoming fire from the other 3 enemies on that flank was his bigger threat than that single T6 DD with the slowish reload and only 3 or 4 guns able to bear on him.

[@Mornomgir]

The correct answer is you dont zoom at all. Not in an Öland. you fire and look for incoming.

[@karelmarik9760]

I read Fuzzy Lips at first. Gave me quite a surprise to say at least.

[@TrailblazerAlpha]

That's the name of a hentai lol.

[@louneissen1603]

"I'm not going to lie, this players' name was definitely a factor in my choosing to check out his replay!" The friendly carrier would have a shot as well then. FatLazyPanda :-)

[@huzarion3814]

... I have sent in past 3 years a large number of videos to Jingles , with amazing battles , 7 kills Clemson , 8 kills Musashi , !!!10!!! kills Wakatake in random , 6 kills + solo warrior on Smolensk , kraken in gold with Cherbourg 5 of 6 posible kills that was my lates video that I send to Jingles ... but my nick is just not so entertaining :( , because Jingles is silly , silly old men with childish sense of humor ... and that is why we love his videos , but is though to get his attention ... I consider to spend 2500db and get rid of my legancy nick and just call myself hot_ass_cheeks_on_the_deck_of_HMSNewcastle , or just do more research , use math & my coding skill to decode Jingleses sense of humor , write algortyhm , and hope for the best ;)

[@lrcasey84]

Actually Jingles, the Enemy team does have a radar, the Orkan :P

[@adderallgobbler]

ive played this game practically every day since it came out and imma be real i forgot the orkan existed til reading ur comment i NEVER see that thing

[@lrcasey84]

@@adderallgobbler that’s because it’s actually pretty terrible lol

[@tomriley5790]

@@lrcasey84 I've found it to be pretty awesome actually - guns are are really nasty. You have to be careful with it like all the european gun dds but if you control where you engage it's nasty..

[@frosty3693]

It's a light DD hunter. It has no smoke, only one torpedo launcher and only three twin gun mounts. That does not include the one 3" secondary/AA gun but the ship gets a heal. The torpedoes have a decent range and reload fairly quickly but it is not a ship to Yolo or try to gun down a full health BB or cruiser. But it is the ship to have if you have a mission to get secondary hits in a DD, LOL.

[@DiscretionaryLobotomy]

A jingles video to get me through this eleven hour shift at work, hell yes. Just what I needed.

[@huzarion3814]

... let me gues you work in nuclear power plant as nuclear safety inspector ...

[@Moltenbramley]

Jingles, even by our standards I’m laughing at how many mistakes you made. I won’t list them all but for starters the Oland was using the longer reload torps.

[@CocoCrispy_]

Enemy team doesnt have radar, sees orkan on the team list😂

[@crazywarriorscatfan9061]

WoWs truly has the best names!

[@Derin7890]

15:20 Ara ara, my ass is blasted

[@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll]

That… was actually a pretty damn good pronunciation of Öland. I’m impressed.

[@jurassicattack01]

15:00 the Serov just wanted to recreate the Battle of Samar, that's why it kept sailing north until the Atago was on it's ass

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Battles are over until they’re over.. and even in a losing battle you can fight through the whole thing.

[@tigercat3864]

My favorite map! And my favorite youtuber too :)

[@zackattack8679]

"lowest hitpoint pool of any tier VII destroyer..." I swear he's doing it on purpose now just to see the comments...GG

[@wstavis3135]

With a shout out to Fuzzylollipop's dog's tennis partner. That's class right there.

[@KaguyasBeat]

"These torpedoes only do seven and a half thousand damage even though that one seemed to do more" omg Jingles xD XD

[@matthewstringer1117]

Just wanted to give a shout-out to the Cherbourg who actually carried this battle….interesting gameplay by fuzzy if that gaede has just shot he probly would have lost there.

[@mm2900mm]

Though I quit WoWS, because of many reasons including, but not limited to, WG's endless BS, I do still love your videos. I mostly enjoy those from NA servers. Not because they're necessarily any better than say EU or RU server replays, but the usernames are generally better. And though this video is probably a bad example with the "cheat fuck"-guy, the chat is usually much more friendly and good-spirited - even towards oponents, compared to EU server, which is generally more toxic than early xBox community - which every gamer can attest to was the peak of toxicity at a point. Keep it up Jingles!

[@chriskola3822]

With a team like this, who needs enemies?

[@Hollywood113807]

I swear the way to have Jingles feature your game breaks down to 3 things: 1, Don't be an Arse. 2, Have a cracking game one way or the other. 3, Have a name that will make Jingles smile.

[@arrrgee]

And yet he was calling his teammates "Dipshits" and "Arseholes"

[@Nighthunter6666]

He was an ass in chat from what others said in the comments, I didn't pay attention. And his gameplay was utter shit. So out of the 3, 2 is already out...

[@Frigidblood]

This guy failed on point one.

[@Brinckie]

So did his team...

[@arrrgee]

@@Brinckie His team didn't submit the replay.

[@luke_3_113]

One of the few lines I've played all the way to tierX and every ship was pretty good - with a special mention for the Ostergotland. Not had my Halland for long...

[@markfrank3307]

Morning Minor Jangles

[@Donkringel]

I've always been a firm believer that killstealing doesnt matter as much in WOWS, you need to put that ship under the waves no matter who is doing the shooting. But man that Cherbourg totally KS'd the carrier at the end there haha.

[@jarrodroberson]

CHERBOURG was a master at confirming the kills, and you know what, good for him. He was alive at the end and doing his part for the win. Nothing wrong with that. Can not tell you how many games I have lost because of ships with < 200 hp escaping behind an island or in smoke only at the beginning of a game; to end up helping carry the game 10 mins later.

[@Randallator966]

I'm a firm believer in it not being your kill until the guy is dead and you're credited for it

[@Joze1090]

"Cheat fuck" LMAO

[@burcakb1]

The MVP in this video was the Tier VIII Japanese destroyer imho, purring in the background

[@cptkiddokidd5137]

It's adorable to hear notionally French names pronounced correctly. Here in America, that ship is pronounced properly as "mont-PEEL-yer." As we know it should be.

[@SillPVGaming]

Jingles, I can't even imagine all the researches you gotta do in order to make so many different types of content with very good story-telling. Keep up the great work, and don't worry about a mistake here and there, it's fine. Two Thumbs way up! Now... this DD player, on the other hand, is 75% luck (vs)25% skill. Have a great weekend!

[@paulplus3830]

I have 67% winratio in this thing. It's great. The whole line is great and I'm always happy about carriers. :o

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

Really enjoy. Love the Swedish DD line, but it's definatley a "mixed bag." I have a higher win rate in these than any other DD line, mostly from constant harrassment for area denial. Yet, won a game last week with Oster, running Jersey, activing Torp reload twice. 19 torp hits, killing only one ship, 140K. In a Shima, that would have sunk half the opposing team.

[@TheViralInfekT]

I would like to see a match between the agents dog and his tennis partner :)

[@BigIronEnjoyer]

The pronunciation of "Montpelier" reminds me of a fun story. My wife and I met online 14 years ago. We'd seen eachother a few times already, and at one point she came to visit me, without telling me, as a surprise. She coordinated with my mom to make travel arrangements. I lived in Vermont, so she was going to take a bus to Montpelier (Vermont's capitol city). She's from Canada though, so when talking to my mom on the phone, she said the bus was going to "mon-pel-yay", and my mom was like "what? where is that?" "You know, 'mon-pel-yay', isn't it Vermont's capitol?" "Oh you mean 'mont-peel-yer?'" "What..." When she finally meets up with me later that week, first thing she asks me is "ok, how the *fuck* do you pronounce Vermont's capitol city?" "Mont-peel-yer?" "What the fuck." "Yeah, we speak American here, not French."

[@mainomai]

He's using the mod1 torps not the 7.5k damage ones.

[@NigelDeForrest-Pearce-cv6ek]

I Love the Two Brothers Map!!!

[@3k31000]

Im surprised Jingles never mentioned Lollipop's behavior in chat.

[@Pcwarmachine]

He didn't mention his silly use of AP at long range vs. the cv either. Jingles is kind.

[@zackakai5173]

1:22 - ACKSHULLY JINGLES

[@LtCWest]

Hmm, whats with all that engine noise in the background? Sounds like the rumbling of a two shaft Kampon geared turbine. ^^

[@wingy252]

Swedish ship on midsummer day sweeet

[@tomduke1297]

falling into the old "cv´s can do everything and be everywhere"-fallacy again my old friend. no one in their right mind would take the time to fly to the other side of the map for a single lone dd that has a hydro equipped cruiser right there, while the team on your side of the map is in dire need of constant airsupport.

[@virt1one]

I think Jingles' point was he only needed to make *one flight* over the DD to spot him and that would have been enough to evaporate the lollipop, given how close he was and in OPEN water. After that he could have resumed support on the right, and with the support of three additional ships coming in from the left, would have squeezed his remaining allies in a devastating crossfire WHILE capping.

[@tomduke1297]

@@virt1one im not so sure that a flight of 4-6 T6 planes would survive long enough for the dd to get killed. hipper would have had 2 maybe 3 salvos if he was paying attention. against a broadside straight sailing dd, yeah, that would be enough, but what are the chances of hipper paying attention and a braindead dd? i guess we will never know.

[@sean9092]

Can we get a like for every time Jingles says "fuzzy lollipop"?

[@alfredomariasammartino7728]

Hey, this was released on my birthday!! I just realized that

[@zpg743]

Mandatory youtube engagement comment.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

That Scharnhorst... 😲

[@hardkur]

is these the best replay u can find or u just do the first one ?

[@na3044]

Can we have some videos with neither DD replays nor Premium ships? Thanks.

[@UNICORNSF3ProgameplayProRACER]

Super🙂

[@iacopo94_]

hi, i am on my way to first T10 and i dont know what to pick first... Des Moines or Worcester ? thx love how you create content

[@gernhard.reinholdsen]

The Gaede must have been drunk, charging a tier 8 in a tier 6 with mediocre guns, then loading AP for guaranteed overpens and expecting to win. Lol.

[@jarrodroberson]

"never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake" wise words from a wise man.

[@Revkor]

players really need to pay attention the the minimap

[@wfgaming3761]

jingles the enemy team did have a radar, the orkan. typical jingles tradition is being kept i see lol

[@Speedster___]

Congrats to the Cherbourg

[@trostorff1]

Ahh, that one message Fuzzy sent... "Come back ASSHOLES" How many of us, how many times, have sent messages like that...and had them ignored. Haha

[@aliabdallah2235]

Actually Jingles, the reason why they were still in the battle was because the battle still hadn't ended yet.

[@citomp1240]

I can't believe it, I clicked on the start battle button again.

[@PwnageProductions10]

"mon-pel-ee-ay" Jingles its "mont-peel-ee-air"

[@franz265]

How tf did the serov get away with an atago at point blank range?

[@geoffreyrichardson8738]

Epic carry, how’s his back?

[@simongodfrey3765]

Not wishing to be pedantic, but you said there were no radar ships and the Orkan has 7.5km radar. Still a great match, thanks Jingles

[@stevenmoore4612]

Hey jingles you should do more Atlantic fleet videos! Haven’t seen you upload any since 2017!

[@theunwelcome]

woof, that enemy 'horst was so bad it was as if I was playing it... when he was coming out of the channel, the carrier had some planes in the area and could easily have spotted FL, I wonder if the 'horst said anything in their chat about being spotted because that would have given the entire thing away...

[@jeromethiel4323]

We've all had a fuzzy lollipop at one time or another. ^-^

[@_Ari__.]

Guys did they changed economy on the last update? I feel like I get alot less credit from before, I'm not wows player I just play once in a while.

[@tpaktop2_1na]

Jingles why is you WoWS videos always load at 720p for me and your others load at 1080p or higher? Is there a different default for your WoWS videos? 01:28 Jingles tier 7 destroyer? at 00:21 you called the Oland tier 8. 😵14:09 "Full Speed" 🤔Fuzzy has an engine hit. WP Fuzzy

[@SPARTAN-yp1wt]

"Chicks Digs Scares and Glory Lasts forever"

[@Moltenbramley]

And that quote is relevant to this replay, why?

[@SPARTAN-yp1wt]

@@Moltenbramley Because Fuzzy Lollipop Got Dinged a Few time in the Video. Nothing wrong with Battle Scares

[@Recker03]

Ironically..the enemy carriers nick was RECON.

[@micheljavert5923]

I respect anyone who can soldier through matches like this. For me anymore, when it's clear from the start that the match is over (because the ships on my flank have left to either lemming train or all decided to set up real estate on the same damn island), it just makes me want to sail to the back line and be done with this game.

[@mudman619]

feel that bro

[@chloehennessey6813]

In Blitz what I love doing is going at capitol ships in my DD and sinking or taking a lot of their HPs and they didn’t even know I was there. Torpedos just come out of the blue on em. Been yelled at so many times in chat that I’m a cheater.

[@MadmanJnr]

I remember the first time I went 25-0 on COD. Chat started with hacker comments. I was freakishly lucky and shitting myself. But yes it was an honour to be accused of something I wasn't doing!👌

[@Uruz_7]

i wish wows legends on console had those cool AA effects

[@joeschmoe709]

Something I've always been curious about: were you actually a rear admiral?

[@arkadikharovscabinetofcuri3465]

Admit it… you chose those because he owned the carrier

[@nemma9]

So, no radar? Then what about the Orkan, Jingles? What about the Orkan?