World of Warships - Points Make Prizes

[@antonyduhamel1166]

Cap points: You might need 1000 to win, but the only one that really matters is the LAST ONE.

[@flemmingploug2670]

you only need 999 to lose :)

[@davidblackman1586]

Doesn't matter the total... just have more points than your opponent at the end.

[@7thsealord888]

It Aint Over Until It's Over.

[@jetwaters9365]

Hey guys! Thunderer captain here. This was THE last match of the day for us. Meaning it was only 1 minute before clan battles were closing for the day (As you can see by Fire2Ninja's comment at the start of the video). We all thought we were going to lose and we told the Gearing to steam ahead towards Bravo because we have nothing to lose at that point. We were all sweating bullets as the match was closing in at 918v990 and panicking when Gearing successfully contested the cap. Thank you for the amazing clan battle THG and thanks for the featuring our replay Jingles! (P.S.: I actually bought Thunderer the same day we were playing this battle. So if any of you are questioning my gameplay, that's probably why.)

[@glrider100]

Very good battle... Hats off to the Gearing.. It demonstrates one point that I think many players overlook: Contesting doesn't necessarily mean flipping it, sometimes it's just as good to deny the other team cap points.

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

Wow that was close. I completely suck at this game so you're better than one person at least. Ha.

[@thefirekitchen8843]

Being on the other side of this match it was an amazing way to end the match to some truly strong competition. Hope to see you out there some other time

[@dankrauz1036]

Great Game!

[@beastgaminghd7575]

You guys made the right choice! Best recognise what the Gearing player did for you, because as Jingles said he " dragged the team, kicking and screaming to victory" I mean, You played well, but, DM and Moskva didn't exactly make it hard for you either, and we all know Thunderer is exceptionally accurate. Also you did a couple of turns, giving GK a chance to bitch-slap you into oblivion. Lucky he didn't. :D

[@sanscipher]

Just timed it, it was precisely one point zero two seconds before the game was lost that he was in the cap circle. 1.02 Wow!

[@hordegaming4771]

Dom Torreto "doesn't matter if you win by a inch or a mile, winning is winning"

[@brycesolomon9933]

Horde Gaming till Brian comes in and starts messing with your sister.

[@hordegaming4771]

@@brycesolomon9933 Time to get the Shimakaze

[@brycesolomon9933]

Horde Gaming only if it’s living life a quarter mile at a time.

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

'It doesn't matter if you lead 199 laps, as long as you're leading the 200th.' At least, I seem to recall that being a quote about the Indianapolis 500.

[@killerkane747]

Hey was this last season of clan battles or this season? Just it’s odd that there are no carriers if it’s this season.

[@cmft9358]

"I gotta take control of the camera so we can witness the Des Moines suicide in all of it's glory" - Jingles as he 180's the camera away from what's happening as soon as he takes control 👍

[@jetwaters9365]

He did that cause I was zoomed in on the enemy Des Moines. I was hoping to kill him before he could start shooting at my friendly Des Moines. I didn't even realize what my teammate actually did until I saw the video.

[@OOZ662]

Not to mention, Jingles didn't do that. When you activate free camera it sometimes automatically snaps 180deg from point of aim. Which is REALLY annoying when you do it via right mouse click during a game and your turrets start traversing instead of maintaining aim like they're supposed to while you spin the camera.

[@maxkennedy8075]

8:30 A quote Jingles has probably heard a lot in his life

[@chicuongvu1806]

Max kennedy so do i So do I

[@boristhebarbarian]

back to the salt mines for you!!

[@ecpcharles]

LMAOOO

[@thierpetersen7907]

zing!

[@RampantFirefly]

Damn it now my keyboard is covered in my morning coffee!

[@M829A4]

This is one of those battles that you can't even be mad that you lost because you're to impressed

[@fuqinrandomchannel]

"That´s Britain, sticking to treaties when no one else is." Thanks for the laugh Jingles, you definitely made this EU-Citicens day ;)

[@sebsunda]

This battle bring a new meaning to: "It ain't over until it's over!!!" I mean... Damn!!! (O_o)

[@Metallica4Life92]

this has to be one of the closest matches I've ever seen.

[@toveychurchill6468]

Britain actually had built 3 18-inch guns but they weren’t being used much besides from HMS Furious and dozens of monitors

[@TheRCScotsman]

Exactly.

[@mrjockt]

Glorious, and Courageous were both originally armed with 15” guns, the guns that eventually found their way onto H.M.S. Vanguard, it was Furious that was supposed to be armed with two 18” guns, only one was ever fitted.

[@toveychurchill6468]

Yeah. it’s HMS Furious as it turns out, thanks for pointing out . Ether way they are one of weirdest ships built by Britain

[@Paleoc1]

The 3 18inch guns were mounted on monitors

[@herubinoevc737]

that famous British bureaucracy for the 'win'

[@aliabdallah2235]

"I know I say this every time but this really is a remarkable game", you always say that every time. You do realise people come here for the narrator, the game is just a bonus.

[@MartinX1701]

I love how much historical data you give us that sheds more light on the game mechanics. It adds a really insightful element to the game. Thanks.

[@ryanp5790]

Here in America with the right people in a match the banter and in game chat discussions remain unmatched

[@History_Buff]

Jingles, this was in Clan Battles. You don't get awards in CBs.

[@sauserbl7494]

That gearing with the edge of his Rudder shift getting into that cap. If gearing went on the other side (and successfully made it hypothetically) GK would’ve ripped gearing apart. Basically it was a 50/50 of who was gonna win. It was all up to the gearing to who would win, choose the place he went, or choose where GK was hiding. GK should’ve went to the left since it was closer to get to and would’ve been able to kill gearing with nowhere to run since gearing couldn’t turn at a torpedo angle.

[@DAKOTA56777]

Rudder, rutters are books. ...at least, sticking to the nautical definition, otherwise it would mean something more...sexual.

[@sauserbl7494]

My bad thank you

[@viniciusdesouzamaia]

Hindsight is 20/20 indeed.

[@tomriley5790]

Erm... Kind of odd that Britiain did manage to make some 18" naval guns if there weren't any steelworks capable of doing so..... (HMS Furious initially and later the HMS Lord Clive) actually at the time of the Washington Naval treaty there were prospective plans for building "superbattleships" (L2 to M2 classes). Thunderer is the L2, the prototype gun was produced and test fired (it's still around somewhere). The plans were dusted off after Bismark was built (with the plan to keep the gun caliaber secret in a similar manner to Yamato) to follow the Lions, but obviously war prevented it all being built, so you're probably right that they'd never be built because there's nothing quite so traditional in the British Military as having plans for something and never actually building it (or taking to long to do so)

[@bobmartin9918]

It was just a concept, they were never built.

[@jimp8518]

Bob Martin hmmm so what's this then ? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_18-inch_Mk_I_naval_gun

[@Mr-Q2]

@Tom Riley the L2 design was never selected for construction or "dusted off" after the construction of the Bismarck. the L2 and L3 designs were part of the 1920 battleship design process resulting in the N3 class. after L2 and L3 it was decided to proceed with a triple turret design instead of a twin, as the triple turrets saved over a thousand tons in weight and offered an extra gun. the ship designed after the treaty systems fell apart was the Lion class, in the 1938, 1942, and 1945 variants (the 1945 variant having autoloading 16-inch guns, and the 1942 variant being the tier IX). Wargaming took the L2 concept and "modernised" it, which became the Conqueror in its original configuration or currently is the Thunderer. And btw the BL 18-inch/45 Mark. I found on HMS Furious and a Lord Clive class monitor were not the guns planned for the N3 class. the N3's would've had the BL 18"/45 Mark II edit: No concrete follow on designs were prepared after the Lion class as the true size of the Yamato's armament was not known until after the war. Had they learned of the gun calibre of the Yamato they might've designed something similar to the older L3 design (a ship with three triple 18-inch guns), but that is pure speculation.

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@bobmartin9918 they definitely were made, They were actually fitted to the Furious then take off because of the Washington navel treaty and then used on a pair of monitors (one of which was the Lord Clive) They were built, tested and used as shore bombardedment artillery.

[@tomriley5790]

@@Mr-Q2 Obviously it was a very fluid situation in the late 1930s but post Bismark in the late 30s when everyone was building 15, 16 inch guns and the Lions were pretty much planned as the next class. I did read that there was a secret plan for a subsequent class with larger guns (basically doing what the Japanese actually did) finding it difficult to find my source for that though. As you say in the event world war 2 interved and practiaclity led to the construction of Vanguard and focusing (from a bb point of view) on the Lions whose design was revised so many times that they never got built and became irrelevant anyway. Had world war 2 not occured though and the Lions been built to their original design there was a plan for larger guns (which would have been even more necessary had Germany built its planned larger shps and Yamato been launched.) whether she would have looked like Thunderer is entirely a different matter. In any case we can surely agree that there was the capability to produce 18" guns in Britain.

[@justandy333]

That was fantastic, although not alot of combat was going on at the end, i was on the edge of my seat none the less. Great replay, thanks for sending it to Jingles and Jingles for commentating :)

[@denovemportem]

Following the channel for about 8 years (first WoT then WoWs) and I have to say this is one of the best replays I´ve ever seen!!! Amazing battle! Congrats to both teams and to their sense of humour too ;)

[@aaronjeroski3489]

That is one hell of a result, definitely a tense game for gearing at the end. Well played.

[@SAMCROReap]

Great game... was expecting t hear Benny hill music with GK chasing him around the island. lol

[@FredRated1967]

Of course it's more relaxed on the NA server. We're not nearly as stuffy as you Brits. 😄

[@FredRated1967]

@@BladeKi11a Hell, I haven't played in so long due to saying "I'll update later." Should bite the bullet and do that 30 gig update. WoT was updated just fine, didn't take too long. I just enjoy Jingke's vids. 😄

[@BladeKi11a]

FredRated1967 30 gigs!? You must be on the 0.5 update so much has changed.

[@tommeakin1732]

I think it might be the crippling self-hatred that Jingles nicely illustrates

[@aciarduce]

8:53 Jingles: "The enemy team outnumber JetWater's surviving teammates 2 to 1. They have a 300 point lead. They control 2 of the caps. And they are in the process of taking, the 3rd." Me: Looks at mini-map. No ships are close to the 3rd cap zone..... 11:42 Jingles: "And he is attempting to flip as many caps as possible, the enemy team is flipping them back over just as quickly." Me: Looks at mini-map. No indication of enemy ships flipping any caps since they first took them.... Never change Jingles..... Your awareness rating is obviously above and beyond us mere mortals. XD The Gnome overlord obviously can see things we can not. Must be a submarine. ^,^

[@cesarfelipe7138]

Goddammit I was about to comment on that, we salt miners never let one mistake slip by, do we Jingles? ...Jingles? *gunshot

[@karlchenkarolinger5799]

HMS Furious: Am I a joke to you?

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

The gun was a bit of a joke too as every time it fired it completely stripped the rivet heads off of its own turret. The turret was well made but 18 inch guns were a no go with that level of technology

[@jugganaut33]

SonOfAB_tch2ndClass: the Gun also could only Fire 100 rounds before it completely stripped its rifling.

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

@@jugganaut33 Lol your right I forgot about that. Honestly anything bigger than 16 inch guns was a waste of time

[@StackableGoldMC]

That was an extremely close game. Amazing.

[@iTankSometimes]

Fitting that the smoke deployed made a near perfect set of balls to go alongside the massive balls the Gearing had

[@JVoltCUAF]

id have loved to see the red teams chat when gearing pulled into cap lol

[@lynchkid003]

At the points where the Gearing pops smoke, you can see the Gearings' "Oh shit" response come into play. How many buckets of sweat do you think he had gone through in that 5 minute sequence?

[@ShadowOfMachines]

This was an awesome game! Thanks for sharing it.

[@KMS_Unbranded]

Gearing: I shall NEVER SURRENDER

[@13stalag13]

Awesome battle, was like sitting on pins and needles there at the end.

[@justrelax8465]

One of your better ones jingles. Thanks for all the hard work!

[@elijakubowicz9143]

this replay actually made me tense in the end

[@neorvo5599]

Amazing game and fun to watch. The most I learned was the lock of the caping counter, I didn't figure out that could be used as a way to stop the enemy counter and win. Really good this lesson. Trying to confront the GK would be almost impossible to win. Thanks for sharing this. It could be nice if the game had some way to set up and specific moment as the last five minutes of this game, and allow us to train (as in chess) the positional game and try by ourselves the same scenario as it was shown in this match.

[@K9TheFirst1]

Jingles, I actually stood up and applauded that Gearing when I saw the victory come.

[@Kvk_007]

Holy that was the closest match i have ever seen, thanks jingles.

[@Emperorlittle]

If I was that G. Kurfurst, I would have been MAD. Good job and well played by that destroyer.

[@rusgiani4539]

first 3 minutes I was absolutely oblivious towards what Jingles was saying because CHAT. Holy Moly!

[@jamesfogel7998]

Same here. I was tuning him out and just staring at the chat box.

[@thomasgarrison3949]

Thank you for showing this game. I'm in the [DAV] Disabled American Vet's clan, I am very proud of our clan & especially wildbi1111 which pulled a victory out of a defeat! My name in the clan is: [DAV]TAGarrison

[@thederogativeworld]

I don't think we're more relaxed here over the pond, I think we're just... special

[@doodleesq]

What a great game...well done fletcher...fantastic strategy

[@WolfoftheAurora]

4:02 In my short time of playing WoT on the NA server while cross team chat was enabled, it was a little more relaxed. One conversation stuck out to me when someone asked what submarine movies to watch!

[@charlieliske3603]

Ah back to the salt mines I go. All Praise The Gnome Lord!

[@MrShadowpanther3]

Wow. That ONE Billy Big Step to get a big toe in the cap just before it was too late!

[@leban86]

Love it when people are saying "gg" then lose.

[@grassulus158]

Pete N “gg” means “good game.” It doesn’t mean “I won, you lost. Haha you suck.” When someone says gg they are simply saying they had fun or are complimenting everyone in their gameplay.

[@leban86]

@@grassulus158 it means good game, more specifically, as in the game is over. meanwhile the end result is not yet determined.

[@tommeakin1732]

Jingles I just want to tell you that it brings me so much pleasure to hear an old Brit seethe with so much loathing of his country. The few young Brits who might have some base desire to care about their homeland are likely to look to older generations for some bedrock to work from, and it's great for me to watch those older generations encourage those younger generations give up before they've even started

[@thurstablelane7567]

Now I don't often comment on these videos but always watch them, I was on the edge of my seat for this!!

[@nomad2305]

That Gearing is like Randy "I didn't hear no bell" while coughing up copious amounts of blood heh heh

[@O_Dingo77]

My beloved Gearing finally makes it into a video

[@carlhensler8559]

Hey hey jingles. Love the vid. Had me on the edge of my seat

[@colewesselius3024]

And this boys and girls is where the phrase "Sticking to your guns" comes from in Britain.

[@Kilen_BE]

Well, disagree with jingles on that one. if u know what u doing and prevent assassin/devastating strike just poping up from an island corner, chasing gearing with 30hp left is the right thing to do. Hydro, great 2ndaries, full hp and lots of heals, even if u eat couple of torps it doesn’t matter. To get a dev strike the gearing must come close or use an island perfectly (wich can be denied by GK if he plays/manoeuvers correctly), and so taking much risks to get detected and killed in a second. I would be the GK, I rush gearing just after the death of yueyang without any hesitation. At worse, I miss him but I can contest/cap the small cap on the north (even eating couple of torps on the way, doesn’t matter at full hp vs 30) and there is a good chance he comes to me trying to recap the eastern cap, so... It would have been a Daring with single launch torps, ok, then there is a significant risk for GK. But here vs a very low hp gearing, escaping him to cap was the wrong decision imo. Specially with 6km hydro of gk, hard to get dev striked if u pop it in right time. So, probably overcareful gameplay from GK imo. But wp gearing nonetheless, he did everything right.

[@andreasmuller4666]

The PR and YY made horrible choices as well making the loss a deserved one. If i was that teams lead i would kick them around in the after match analysis for being this dumb.

[@mjxw]

Completely agree. The GK should've just stayed in his B cap and forced the Gearing to fight him. In a full health GK, with hydro, you'd have to be the worst player alive to lose that against a 58hp Gearing. Gearing would have to land something like 6 or 7 torps in a single salvo to win that fight, all without getting detected.

[@TheOtherBill]

Disagreeing with Jingles? Why not, everyone else does.

[@Preywinder]

Should've, would've, could've... didn't

[@markdiplock3439]

That was right down to literally the last point. Can't get too much narrower a victory than that.

[@Scholesy92]

Like dispatched via carrier pidgeon - tea and scones at the ready admiral!

[@TrangleC]

I've read books that said that the main reason for why European battleships had relatively small guns compared to their American and Japanese counter parts, was that smaller guns worked better in the conditions of the choppy Atlantic waters and the often bad weather there. When waves and bad visibility make accurate long range fire near impossible, you are forced to have your battleships brawl at short range and for that smaller guns are better, because they can be reloaded faster and you can carry more ammo, so you can throw more stuff at the wall and hope something sticks. In the much calmer and nicer Pacific weather (That is where the name Pacific comes from, after all.), where you can fight at much longer range, a high rate of fire doesn't actually make all that much sense, because you want to see where your previous salvo lands before adjusting and firing the next one, anyways. There big, slower firing guns make more sense.

[@ThePrinceofParthia]

And the ballistics of larger calibre guns are only significantly better at longer ranges, despite what WG would have us believe with overmatch mechanics

[@vojskap]

I don't usually watch your WoW videos. Don't get me wrong, I do watch the initial ad and add a like. Sometimes I even get to watch the full video, but not paying much attention to it. This on was something completely different. I did pay attention and it was awesome.

[@jamesbarnett4844]

I do not say this much, but holy shit.... good video Jingles!

[@southtexasprepper1837]

Jingles, There's nothing wrong being "patriotic." Even when it comes to loving one's country. 👍

[@ELCADAROSA]

Started watching this video ... okay, when's the excitement gonna begin ... Last few minutes of the match ... shouting "GO GEARING GO!!!!" as I'm literally sitting on the edge of my office chair! Gotta root for the underdog/little guy!

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

the mistake was, Gk should've gone to the front of the cap , nose pointed towards the DD where he was coming from, you knew he was coming direct from C..... even if he eat a few torps it wouldn't have matterred, the GK was full health...

[@richter9485]

Hindsight is 20/20. It wasnt a bad play. Also not everyone knows the caps perfectly. He may not have known or thought about being able to cap from the other side. Its a high pressure situation and that looked over. If he was late by even 2 seconds the gearing wouldve lost.

[@ukpkmkk_2]

Altair Ibn L'ahad

[@CP-tm7be]

Maybe. Gearing would have spotted him from a long ways out, angled to one side and fed him lots of torps, not just a few.

[@justkev6277]

@@richter9485 It WAS bad play, hes at full hp vs a Gearing at 1%. All that hp he preserved throughout the match ended up being wasted when he chose to be safe in a situation when it didn't make sense. All he had to do was delay the dd by 2 seconds but he didn't. To be fair though, it looks like these guys are in the bottom leagues since there's bad play all around and no CV. Bet those guys had a blast getting that win since they dont happen like that often.

[@windfire5380]

Yep. The KF had no dmg too... Says something. Probably not a major contributor to start with.

[@TheCptnOfFail]

I don't care what game it is, I love it a game comes that close. Win or lose those are the best games.

[@rexmundi3108]

World of Warships has one glaring omission: HMS Furious...an aircraft carrier with an 18 inch gun

[@duane8620]

Well played, very well played!! This is exactly why WoW is such a stratigic game and just because you have an undamaged battleship doesn't mean you'll win!! :)

[@ManluluMiruru]

That was breath-taking if I say so myself. American or English movie would have failed you with that ending~

[@slimj091]

You know that intro anecdote makes Brexit make total sense to me now. Britain always doing what it promises to do while everyone else does the opposite. So Britain is like "Screw you guy's I'm going home". I'm sure it's more nuanced than that. But still makes total sense now.

[@rblinson8136]

Jingles, this was a Clan Battles match. There are no achievements in Clan Battles. The winning team gets 2500 Base XP per member, the losing team gets 250 Base XP. The only differences are if you're equipping economic or special signal flags to boost your XP, Captain XP, Free XP, or silver.

[@yellowmonkee0]

That was bloody amazing!

[@Shrike58]

As far as that multi-fueled engine in the Chieftan goes, the most recent book on the topic makes one wonder whether that project was seen as a sop to the main builder of British truck engines, with the idea that this could be a leg up in civilian markets.

[@chrishopwood6938]

UK did build 18inch guns. They built some during the first world war for HMS Furious.

[@adamhafiddin9564]

That Gearing captain should earn a gold medal on Olympic

[@imperialcommissar6849]

American dd coming in late to the war or uhh I mean game, and saving the day. The hero we need but don't deserve. I salute you soldier. o7

[@onecertainordinarymagician]

Ah Jingles...you get it wrong again Britain does have the steelwork to build 18-inch guns, in fact, Britain did build multiple 18-inch guns, and then fit them on the Lord Clive class monitor. The Thunderer is based closely on interwar British battleships purposes such as the L2. Also, around the 15inch guns for the KGVs, the idea of 15 or even 16-inch guns on the KGV come way before the 14 inch is a thing and even longer before WW2 and he initial work on the KGV class started before the London Naval treaty....

[@13stalag13]

Those guns were built in a factory the Royal Navy sold in 1927 because of the Treaty. They were the guns off of HMS Furious. They were later used in the Lord Clive class Monitors.

[@Fizwalker]

These are the types of battles I like best

[@martinjones12]

great effort and brill commentary mate. Ta.

[@imperatorshekwolo2750]

Best match av watched in a long time. Wow!

[@ronaldthompson4989]

Jingles, HMS Furious had 18inch guns, and as i recall the Leopard 1's powerplant was a multifuel as well

[@02091992able]

The limiting factor of the Washington Naval Treaty was not just the size of guns on ships but also their displacement. The USA didn't build battleships with bigger than 14 inch guns with the only exception being ships like the Colorado. Once it was made clear Japan was not abiding by this treaty by building ships like the Yamato and Musashi. The US Navy began making battleships with 16 inch guns and their displacement and draft where limited by the size of the locks in the Panama Canal. Those ships being the North Carolina, South Dakota and Iowa classes. Even the American super battleship Montana was armed with 16 inch guns. The only ships with 18 inch being the Georgia and Ohio both present in WOWS. Georgia being a Iowa with 6 18 inch guns and Ohio being a Montana with 8 18 inch guns both ships with two guns per turret. The Montana was scrapped when the focus of the US navy went from Battleships to Carriers.

[@Lt_Voss]

Well actually if I understand my timeline right, Jingles, Britain followed the 2nd London Naval Treaty solely due to being the ones to propose it; the escalator clause introduced by the Americans apparently never crossing their minds. Italy backed out, basically saying "fuck you I got goals," and Japan said "okay we'll sign if we can get a limit on how many battleships we can all have, yeah?" to which the US and UK replied "fuck you, no" and Japan came back with "well fuck you too then" and pulled out. Then the US started building 16in battleships, and the Brits didn't.

[@blackpowder4016]

The Japanese never had any intention of ratifying the Second London Treaty. The Geneva Naval Conference of 1932 had fallen apart because Japan demanded a 70% quota of Britain and America's cruiser numbers rather than the 60% allowed at Washington. The British preferred to apportion cruisers by total tonnage rather than numbers because they needed large numbers of cruisers and were willing to build more but smaller light cruisers to cover their far-flung empire. The US agreed since they had already discovered 10,000 tons was not enough for a properly balanced heavy cruiser. The Japanese were offered 180,000 tons of cruisers (60%) vs. 300,000 for the British and Americans. They rejected anything less than 70%. Meanwhile, the French and Italians walked out over their own disputes. No deal was reached. At the Second London Conference in 1936 the Japanese plan was to stall for time. They had already decided to build the Yamato class and not sign the treaty extension. They pretended to agree to 35,000 tons and 14" guns because they wanted the US and Britain to commit to them so they would have an overwhelming advantage with 70,000 ton 18" gunned fast battleships. They agreed to a 66% quota on cruisers as a seeming gesture of compromise designed to show they were sincere. But they asked for a year to ratify the treaty. The excuse for the delay was that the Japanese delegate who had signed the 1930 London treaty has been assassinated for signing it. They wanted time to convince the Japanese people. The real reason was so the British and Americans would start work on smaller, weaker ships while they started building five Yamatos. The US delegates smelled a rat and added the escalator clause so they could revert to 16" guns if the Japanese failed to ratify the treaty within a year. The British problem was their armaments industry was so devastated by the infamous Ten Year Rule that they had to get to work on the King George V class as soon as the treaty was signed. They laid them down the following year, same as Yamato. The US could afford to wait a year to start the North Carolina class making contingent plans for either three quad 14" turrets or three triple 16" turrets. When the Japanese predictably failed to sign by the deadline the US invoked the escalator clause. The British were already committed to the 14" gun but did up-armor their ships which put the early ones 2,000 tons over the treaty displacement limit. The later ones were even heavier but by then the war had started and the treaty was moot. So the British were not exactly perfectly compliant with the treaty. The French could not build 16" guns and settled for 15". The Italians walked out of the conference but they could not build 16" guns in time and also settled for 15".

[@mikejunior80]

So the two Des Moines cruisers (4:15-7:53) committed utter suicide thus leaving the Thunderer on its own against multiple enemies in a crossfire. 😔. Some teammates.

[@piecatofwisdom]

jingles: no all chat in tanks, get fucked scrubs literally on the same day as this video: nostalgia, all chat for a week! xd

[@prhfuturetech3399]

The single most interesting game I have ever seen

[@dougjb7848]

There’s also the fact that there was no shipyard large enough to build a ship that big, and no harbor or dock facilities big or deep enough for a ship that large.

[@tommeakin1732]

_Old man hates himself and his place of origin, 2020_

[@Mugdorna]

That’s a pretty spectacular clan battle. Helped by the good natured team chat.

[@windfire5380]

Considering that KF had 100% health, I suspect he didn't do much on that game. Not a surprise win here. :) Although I was shocked the DD started making turns before entering the cap--which slowed him down... almost a face palm moment there.

[@Maverick-7508]

Funny thing is with modern technology we could see a resurgence of Battleship technology. Yay for rail guns and PDL batteries.

[@Noah_Levy]

Absolute Madlad.

[@lancesteele9719]

That was truly epic !!

[@hipzipper1]

What an ending! Exciting battle.

[@jonathanbair523]

WOW really loved this vid.... Bet the green team where all very happy with the win. This was a nail bitter for sure.

[@Eon2641]

As an NA WoT player since the beta, I can tell you for a fact that it was not like that on there back when all-chat still existed. Unless you were playing in a low tier tournament, there was very little chance you'd get anything resembling a sense of camaraderie from the other players. Even now that all-chat's gone you still don't get it, I recently introduced my partner to the game and at tier two we had salty seal clubbers whining that people didn't know how to play the maps they've only seen a single digit number of times.

[@gryphgaming1887]

Well Jingles, the reason the English stick to treaty stipulations is that it gives their opponents a sporting chance

[@mrexists5400]

gearing captain must've been flipping out with that win XD

[@Tepid24]

Oh god, that little history lesson in the beginning. Technically correct, but for all the wrong reasons.

[@jwiwahn3516]

Wow, krass knapp, Danke Jingles für deine Mühe! Und Gruß an alle Kriegsschifffans!

[@rogerwhittle2078]

Almost certainly because I am British and can't imagine waking up anywhere else, to realise I'm not British, I agree with everything you say in your preamble Jingles. Yes, we do have an eye rolling ability to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory in countless examples in countless fields. I worked for the company that developed the CT (CAT) Scanner and the MRI Scanner, led the world in diagnostic radiography, got bored with making stuff and sold it to the Americans for a pittance. My name is the same as the bloke (no relation though) who invented the jet engine (yes, yes a German called Ohain got the first jet flying, but he'd read Whittle's papers published on the subject) was given the very largest run around by industry and government, who eventually gave his invention to the Americans for a one off payment of $800,000. I could go on (and on and on and on) but it's too depressing. Oddly enough, for all our bumbling ineptitude, fuzzy thinking and management incompetence, we Brits are actually rather good at a number of things. War is one of them. The EU has held UK as a sort of embarrassing, unwanted (but needed) Cousin for a long time. They are scornful of our inability to make international agreements that we can live with, because we tend to live with those agreements - not all European countries do so. But the main reason Europe 'tolerated' Britain (and of course France, one of the major; 'sign agreements and then ignore them' countries) is because, without exception, they all wanted to stand behind us, if it came to a fight, not alongside and certainly not in front. I need say no more.

[@garhull11]

that chat exchange at the start. Jingles, there is a whole video to be made just on the chat :-)

[@hanschenklein8124]

Not really. It's short and pretty basic.

[@forcea1454]

Thunderer wasn't going to be built because isn't even a real design. With the exception of a design referred to as Citadel (which is wrongly referred to as Incomparable which was in fact a diesel battleship design), Furious, a few Hood preliminaries and the 1919-21 design studies, Britain has not designed Battleships with 18 inch guns and certainly didn't design modern (by 1930s standards) fast battleships with 18 inch guns. It's rather unfortunate that Wargaming decide to make fictional designs for Tier 10 Battleships when the 1945 Lion design studies with autoloading 16" guns were fairly interesting designs in their own right.

[@Jpdt19]

I would just refer you to the N3 class. Designed and would have been ordered if not for the Washington naval treaty. More than just a design study. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/N3-class_battleship

[@jarrusjenkins]

Look up design L2. That's what the Thunderer is based on

[@forcea1454]

@@Jpdt19 N3 was one of the 1919-21 Design Studies. N3 isn't a viable Tier 10 as it is too slow (only 23 knots) and it's anti aircraft armament is too weak.

[@forcea1454]

@@jarrusjenkins Thunderer is not based on L2. L2 (and it's design contemporaries) had an angled internal belt whilst Thunderer has a vertical external belt like the KGVs, Lions and Vanguard. Thunderer has two funnels signifying that she has unit machinery like the KGVs, Lions and Vanguard whilst L2 had single funnel and did not have unit machinery. Wargaming have have taken in the 18 inch guns design for L2 (and the other 1921 design studies) put them in new turrets with vertical faces (like the other 1930s British Fast Battleship designs) and then put said turrets on an enlarged Vanguard or Lion 1942 design hull (you can tell by the aforementioned external belt and increased sheer added to the bow to improve seakeeping a feature shared by both Vanguard and the 1942 Lion Design.)

[@Jpdt19]

@@forcea1454 wasn't commenting on its viability for wargaming sir, just the history. And it's pretty clear from what I can see thatt would have been built.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Last time I was this early we didn't have to dress like a bandit to go to the shops...

[@Dogued]

Last time I was this early, shops were still open!

[@Picolinni]

Last time you’d have gotten in trouble for going to the shops dressed like a bandit...

[@Orca19904]

I was just thinking the other day how odd it feels to walk into a place wearing a mask & sunglasses and not elicit an "oh crap" reaction from those around me (mainly since most of them were dressed just like I was).

[@johnmora1055]

I’ve at least found uses for my soccer scarves now that the season is postponed

[@Picolinni]

Chris Teet for the first time people don’t look at me weirdly in full NBC kit* at the shops... * By that I mean hazardous material PPU, but most of it being army surplus...

[@jeffreyestahl]

I realized a long time ago that capturing caps absolves all sins.