World's Best Snow Foam Cannons Go Head to Head | MTM Hydro PF22.3 Vs MJJC Pro V2

MTM Hydro PF22.3 Professional Foam Lance (Wide Mouth Bottle)
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MJJC Foam Lance (Cannon) Pro (V2)
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(for existing PF22 or PF22.2 users to upgrade)
MTM PF22.3 Conversion Cap and Spare Bottle
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[@in2detailing120]

Great video Jon. Couple of quick notes on the MJJC. It no longer comes with spare filters (were stopped about a year and a half ago). Also the double thread is stopped after the first or second batch we got.

[@ForensicDetailing]

interesting mate cant see a reason for not including spare filters. I bet you the second thing is a patent conflict :)

[@easokol]

I used a black sharpie to make the scale lines visible on my MJJC. I did the same on the indented channel on the red angle adjustment collar to mark where the angle is vertical.

[@jamdmcc8832]

I bought the latest IK foamer with the shrader valve thinking that if I bought a portable tyre inflater it would be better, it is better but to be fair as you say there for KZbinrs and in the real world a pain in the arse. And the hand pump for it well don’t get me started! 😂

[@ForensicDetailing]

they are you tuber tools mate your right :) You just dont have time to mess around with these things when you are rushing. A good trigger sprayer with high through put is just better. your forever redosing those little IK pump foamers and they break rapidly with continual use and clog up the filters.

[@jamdmcc8832]

I already knew it would be a ball ache before I bought it but I thought it would be a good addition to my ever growing collection of cat products which since watching your content I must say my collection ton is starting to get out of hand, well that’s that she said but I’m loving it. Every time I come back from offshore abroad I’ve already got my shopping basket full from In2D (with your promo code) and ready to be purchased. 🤣

[@victoryensured7137]

@@jamdmcc8832 I agree the IK is not a super efficent tool, but i still love it, i can have my soap for the paint ready in my foam cannon and the IK has the wheel solution wich at 1,25L is plenty enough. Also it gives the best foam in the bunch (tested Axel Marolex - it's not even close). I use it with portable tire inflator as pumping it is just silly.

[@garethdavies7564]

for mjjc you cant beat for price for weekend warriors 💪

[@simonday1451]

I’m fairly sure the retail model has a stainless steel screw in, and a weighted tube. The ‘upgrade’ contains the adapter and bottle. Both are available from Yum Cars seperately

[@BrianW1612]

I bought an MJJC v3 for 40 odd quid which for me is expensive so 60 quid for the MTM is madness imo. Got a cheap aliexpress bearforce one with almost all the same features as the MJJC for 12 quid... does the exact same job as well.

[@ForensicDetailing]

40 quid is expensive isnt it. for what your getting. i think 60-70 is just beyond what UK market will pay and you can kill your product in a market if you overprice it that much.

[@kwl189]

@@ForensicDetailingand the thing is, it’s not a product without flaws either. There’s plenty of complaints about this product and how many feel ripped off/the product provides poor value for it. MTM might have successfully alienated their customer base from giving their next products and successor to this lance, a try.

[@ish504]

@Brian do you happen to have a picture or link of the one you’ve bought? I’m looking for a foam lance too and the bear force one sounds good

[@victoryensured7137]

Bearforce? A smart man :) I bought it today for 6 quid, hope is as good as they say, 40-60 quid for a foam cannon? Madness i say!

[@mandopando68]

Same design on the mjjc v3 at the time I paid £44 had mine over a year love it & still like new 😎

[@jamest5149]

Its the bubble popping that lifts the dirt… the bubbles are created at the foam cannon before it reaches the paint 👍

[@CRA677]

I ran a black Sharpie over the raised number scale on my bottles to make them visible.

[@ForensicDetailing]

i like it :) Ive put little marks on before but didnt think of that. I will try :) /bows

[@djmandrick]

@@ForensicDetailing its a good suggestion, def works - did that on my coolant reservoir in my car as it was impossible to see the min/max lines

[@rafflesnh]

@@ForensicDetailing Well you did say you were an idiot! ;-)

[@MarcO-mf3rw]

I’ve had my MTM lance for around 4 years. The original version before the updates. But I bought the Dr Dirt replacement bottle which was around (I think it might be discontinued now though) and don’t really feel the need to upgrade to this. But the little metal weight for the tube might need to be bought for it. I have had zero issues with the MTM lance. It’s been absolutely flawless. I got it for around £45 back then but that was expensive as most lances then were around £20-25 each. It’s well made and feels a very premium product even after being knocked over and dropped a couple of times.

[@ForensicDetailing]

that dr dirt works well with it doesnt it. but it just dont look right :) I like my cute darlec look :)

[@MarcO-mf3rw]

@@ForensicDetailing it does Jon but I agree, looks wise, it doesn’t look as good as the original MTM bottle. You never know, I might invest in the new bottle 😊

[@zaink7037]

Italians make the best snow foam lance from what i can tell from you jon. Been using clean your cars italian made snow foam lance which has lasted me over 8 years😮

[@JR_MY]

ditto.. mine is 11 years old. :)

[@njb9192]

Hi, I know you'll laugh but I'm 61 and a traditionalist when it comes to car washing now for some 51 years. Bucket but upgraded to the bucket with grit guard lol, but as I'm getting a little achy washing the car now I'm looking to move to this foam prep wash and I wonder with your professional opinion what pressure washer and lance and bottle plus foam you'd recommend. Kind regards

[@ForensicDetailing]

hi ya. it depends on budget. At the moment Im using a AVA go P55 unit. Check out the AVA store here tinyurl.com/ded4ke7r Then I use a nilfisk/ava adapter (clean your ride sell it for 6 quid) and I connect this adapter to an SGS35 gun that has quick release (in2detailing sell it) and I use a MJJC pro v2 lan on this. And I remove the lance from the quick release and pop a little white nozzle that comes with the SGS gun in to blast down. I discuss it in this video here. its a good small compact setup. If space is no issue or buying all the above is too complcated them just get the AVA p80 evo and use all the stuff that come with it. (I show that in the second link) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWKaaXp9pMiGrK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3fOn6GBp9SBas0

[@KingRyan2991]

The BigBoi cannon looks interesting and you can pick it up for £60. I’m currently using the MJJC V3 S, The bottle is quick connect and clear with 100ml markings. Foams great too.

[@kylemonk7628]

I use this everyday for my detailing business and I can say it’s not great build quality. The bottle has broken twice and the dilution of solution to water has went from 1:10 to 1:13 after about 6 months of use. The filter is clogged up even after cleaning and they don’t do replacements

[@connoisseurdetail]

Cant lie i bought the pf22.3 youv hit the nail on the head i think i may have got a dodgy one as when liquid is in the container drops literally just drops out and the quick connection leaks cant see this happening with yours and i have loctite the connection also so thanks for this bud im going to send a message to the shop see if i can get a new one as im really really guteed and currently the mjjc v3 is better which i dont actually belive if im honest mtm engineering bullet proof (supposed to be) cheers jon man

[@camwinstone]

I see in2detailing have the V3 MMJC cannon for £50, it lists 12 improvements over the existing cannon. I bought the V2 after Johns review/recommendation, very happy with it. Be interesting to see what you think of the V3.

[@ForensicDetailing]

That's not the pro version.

[@Bha245h56]

Jon, not relevant to the video but have you used the Collinite S-845? Looks like a good new product was wondering what you thought.

[@ForensicDetailing]

gonna test the collenite ceramic spray soon mate. not sure I will look at the s845 maybe though who knows.

[@justinschuyler]

Chip chip cheerio from across the pond 😅. The MTM body is nickel plated brass. It’s actually better than lower grades of stainless steel. Unless Mosmatic ever makes a foam CANNON, they’ll all use low grade stainless.

[@CAJR22]

I'm currently using two £3 temu ones that are actually really great. Was an introductory offer but the price was too good pass up. I think over about £25 and they are expensive!

[@saviordream]

I have the MJJC, but it's now not working very well and seems to be producing really watery foam. I changed the filter on it but it hasn't helped. I've moved over to my secondary foam cannon (one from MATCC) that is working pretty well, but I'm looking for a new primary. Probably going to wait for the one from Active to release and give that one a try, as they really seemed to be listening to community feedback while designing the unit. Hoping for good things from that one.

[@ForensicDetailing]

chop off the steel ball filter. or try clean steal ball filter.

[@saviordream]

@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for the tip; I'll give it a try!

[@RobertSmith-di5ll]

I agree - flat base that does not fall over seems the only option - anything else is duffo.

[@grantgwyn1992]

Similar to my Kranzle Professional Snow Foam Lance

[@waynefitzgerald7936]

Hi Jon can I ask have done soft top with bird poop on I've cleaned one today couldn't get all out with koch chemie po ,an app even green star by hand an drill lightly thanks wayne

[@ForensicDetailing]

Extract mate after scrub.

[@johnspartan1246]

Have you tried the autobrite direct one?

[@Murph97]

Chiming in from the US. Not sure if you're able to get the Griots Garage Boss foam cannon in the UK but if so, it's excellent. Fully stainless stainless steel and it doesn't leak when you shake it up. You can use metering tips with it or straight up and just diltue your chems. I gave up on the new PF wide mouth because of the trash engineering. Every time you open it the top comes off so the 1/4 turn feature is useless.

[@ForensicDetailing]

you can really torque that plastic bit down though mate. Ive put a bit of thread lock in and that bit seems to be holding. But yes my gut instinct is the design will wear out the little tags that hold it in. It does not feel great. Griots Boss cannon you cant reliably get in the UK. but I think its also 70 quid.

[@Murph97]

@@ForensicDetailing thanks for the reply John. Agree with you. If someone is paying 70 quid you shouldn’t have to modify it to make it better 😎. It should work great as designed this is the biggest flaw with MTM. Sad because I love mine but need the wide mouth so I switched to griots. Hope you can get those soon.

[@michaeljpatterson]

Just got the Griots this month, I do like it as well as the MJJC V2. The build quality is also better and foam more consistent with zero leaks or back spray. I don't use the metering as I'm not convinced it's consistent and what the actual dilution rate is. Since I often use BH Touchless and sometimes a low or high PH soap, I trust my beaker dilution rates over the Griots metering.

[@Murph97]

@@michaeljpatterson nice! Yes for BH touch less I just stick with my PIR and manually dilute. For my pH neutral soaps I use the purple tip as griots confirmed it’s about a 1:10 ratio. I fill it pure soap and don’t have to fuss. They sell extra bottles so I can just swap them out quickly.

[@trifin5772]

I bought a stainless screw to replace my old rusted one. Dont the new cannons came with a stainless screw? For me the narrow mouth is a nonissue all my dilution bottles have the standard 28mm neck - it’s fine. Perfect, for life, tool ;)

[@trifin5772]

As for new ideas - remove the dosing knob! Make the cannon smaller, sleeker - will last longer…

[@RobertSmith-di5ll]

I thought Weevils wobbled but they didn't fall down?

[@chriscuthbertson]

The new MTM bottle reminds me of a Dalek.

[@khr1960]

Just seen mtm hydro 44.95 on amazon but limited stock

[@ItAlwaysHasToBePerfect]

1. In late 2019 I bought my MTM from County Detailing Supplies but quickly realised that the orifice was wrong for the Litre per Minute my industrial pressure washer produces. In early 2020 research led me to MTM's distributor in America who were able to supply the correct sized orifice. They also had upgrade parts (a replacement steel filter (genuine), a stainless steel screw for the top knob (the one you complained about rusting), wide bottom bottles (version 2) and caps for these so that any left over chemical / different chemical could be stored safely. I purchased all of these and had them sent to a relative who was on holiday in America at the time. During my telephone conversation with them when placing my order they mentioned that they and MTM were working on a wide mouth version of the PF22. I told the person that instead of redesigning the PF22 the best way to do this was with an adaptor cap that would screw into the PF22 permanently and a new wide mouth bottle would screw to this adaptor and I explained that this method would mean all existing PF22 owners could upgrade without buying a complete new unit. I'm glad to see they took my advice (wish I had patented it). All of these items and the weighted filter ball for the syphon tube are available on their website. 2. I've mostly stopped visiting your channel as you now want to incorporate half an hour of a stand-up comic show into your videos instead of the concise reviews you used to do.

[@Jay794]

I have a snow foam lance from autobrite, they all seem like much of a muchness to me. As in, very little difference in them

[@ForensicDetailing]

autobrite used to use PA lances. I think they gone chinese now. they should do like a bespoke thing like griots do.

[@johndrake2147]

Perfect timing - i was literally about to buy the MJJC. I notice there is a version 3 out now? Any thoughts? Ive also heard that the foam produced is thick but dries out quicker than other cannons due to a dual aerator or something. Wondering can you relate / comment?

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Go with this one, the other have a shitty cannister

[@ForensicDetailing]

isnt the V3 like a different model to the pro. Like S model whatever that is. but that S V3 looks like a cheapo PET bottle thats too tall for me.

[@barrywakefield4942]

Get the MJJC Pro. Don’t buy the new V3 version, the bottle is rubbish.

[@BrianW1612]

I've got the V3 and find the bottle great. Really like the non threaded connection & although taller, still stands upright fine. It looks more premium in my opinion compared to the pro. I personally remove the added foam inserts as they make the foam ridiculously thick. It's fine for something like BH Autofoam but for thicker foaming products it's a hindrance imo.

[@kwl189]

V3 is crap. Don’t buy it. Foam is too dry and doesn’t wet out the panel enough so it won’t play well with BH products

[@leeb5009]

Elephants trunk & balls dangling in the wind🤔

[@carlphillips3399]

Autobrite's foam cannon for £40 is brilliant!

[@nickmoxley6038]

Tip for you, Thread lock is not meant for plastic

[@ForensicDetailing]

doh. Ive done it now seems ok mate but makes sense.

[@sm-eh4ix]

maybe try plumbers mate, from Screwfix

[@nickmoxley6038]

@@ForensicDetailing No problem, just wipe it off, it wont cure anyways as its an anaerobic adhesives and requires the lack of Air to properly cure up.

[@steveottavaino3804]

If 3 different chemicals were available in one compartmentalized bottle you have every surface of the car coated with the wrong chemical application. Murphy says so and he’s generally right, it is, after all, law.

[@ForensicDetailing]

could do but you could color code your chems. I could pre dose say snow foam, wheel cleaner, contact shampoo in my containers. put tiny amounts of Koch CB or CG or CY dye. dose out into your lance. could see that being usefull to someone.or a better means to go lance to nozzle (seen a few ideas out there on that but they all look budget) but theres endless ideas. Even like a hinged mechanism to fill it so you dont have to take the bottle off and set aside the main bit while you fill up.

[@steveottavaino3804]

@@ForensicDetailing I think it’s a brilliant idea, it’d save me and others lots of time and frustration fumbling around attaching and reattaching. I wrote that tongue in cheek of course. Were I still doing detailing professionally I’d be drooling over such a foam cannon, 1st in line to buy for sure. I recall when I owned a detail shop one of my employees called saying come to the shop ASAP, Porsche 930 issue. He’d sprayed the BBS wheels with chrome wheel cleaner, it’d etched the aluminum chalky white. It took 2 people 6 hours to polish out that mess; the owner would have had us killed if he’d seen it. Love your channel/videos, fabulous content and my go to for entertaining and educational viewing. Cheers!

[@MartinBennett-rs6thrasher]

​@@ForensicDetailingI would prefer 1/2 extra bottles with own tops and a quick release (bayonet?) to body as would save time constantly mixing/dosing. Store unused chemicals in each for next use and only one nozzle to flush clean.

[@VS-hu6le]

Have you tried Griot's BOSS Foam Cannon?

[@ForensicDetailing]

no mate frosts in the UK list it but its always out of stock and I think its 70 quid plus delivery which is even more than the MTM :( it does looks the dogs nutz though. If its USA made I would prolly take a look because its proper steel. But if its chinese made Im not sure Im going to pay top top whack for it.

[@AM4N18]

Hi Jon, maybe time for another best snow foam lance video, updated for 2024? :) I find the 22.3 a very lazy, poor design update and I baulk at the prices for most of these new lances. They seem pretty darn expensive for me, bordering rip off, for what are cheap looking plastics! Even the generic Amazon one has increased in price since all those years ago sadly and there's not much to them. A good cost vs performance analysis of the market would be fab. 👍 Or, if thats unlikely to happen, what are some of the top options for that £30-40 ish bracket you mentioned? (I half toyed with the idea of getting a Griots when on holiday there but those opportunities are few and far between).

[@ForensicDetailing]

The griots boss looks the bomb. Other than that prolly mjjc pro v2 is good. I think mtm have been perhaps lazy because we know they can do so much better. I hope they do better

[@AM4N18]

@@ForensicDetailing Yeah same, I know they can do better but they are asleep at the wheel currently. I keep reading about a Mjjc pro V3 but not seen anything yet (one guy said he expect it to be rather expensive , £100+, as all Stainless). Pro V2 on their official website is £72 which is pretty scary for something Chinese made!! Not sure I could ever spend that amount for it. What I'd absolutely love though is for a British brand to come along and completely knock it out the park (a BH of snowfoams if you like) and for it to be UK made...however thats very wishful thinking I think!

[@jaspersbloke]

MJJC performance is excellent, noticeably better than anything else I’ve ever tried, but it has one major flaw. The thread on the bottle is crap, far too soft and too easy to overtighten after which it’ll never lock properly and can fall off. I’m on my third bottle after being extremely careful.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Not seen that. But have seen smash plastic cone and bent adjuster shaft.

[@RichardSibley-n1n]

John, if MTM start offering some of the ideas you suggest, I reckon the cost would be even more prohibitive, it's already expensive as it is. On the other hand, why don't you design one, get it made and see what interest is out there. Fresh Layers might be infested in collaborating on such an idea. Interesting content as always, thanks.

[@ForensicDetailing]

millions of tooling ideas I have written down. the more interest you have in detailing the more all these ideas come to you but my landing gear is down, the channel is more a means to early retirement for me than a means to spend my life running a business (which is nothing but stress). every area of detaiing I look at the designs and theres is opportunity. trigger sprayer designs, lance designs, machine polishers, buckets and grit guard systems, brushes, microfiber innovation etcetcetc. some good companies out there with some great ideas and drive to bring things to market. vast majority of the businesses though in detailing that dont innovate. the world we live and breath, they are not even aware of it. Take Karcher for example. Im not even sure 99% of their staff know what a snow foam lance is.

[@jeffc6832]

The dual thread and weighted pickup tube are both innovations from the Griot's Garage Boss foam cannon that MJJC (and others) have now copied.

[@ForensicDetailing]

that griots boss one came out after the MJJC. I think you mean the griots brilliant finish cannon that had a swinging ball. But if you look at the brilliant finish internals its a PA copy. :) its a never ending circle of the copy :)

[@Triggaaar]

Did you seriously just do a foam cannon head to head without actually using them (yes I know you've used them both a lot)? Are you ok Jon?

[@colinmeredith7114]

Absolute rucking fip-off @ £60.00!

[@PixelVogue]

60 effing quid, eff off! Lol

[@patrickvennard838]

I think the new MTM bottle is of poor quality and just won't last. I bought one from ECA Cleaning and they admitted it was of poor quality but refused a refund. I have had to file a PayPal dispute to get my money back.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Interesting m8. My poor quality alarm bells are triggered or suspicious but time will tell.

[@pinoscoccia4997]

In Italy i paid for MTM 45€. I think it’s a good price….

[@NpgSymboL]

In australia I paid for MTM $169.00 😭

[@dalyo96]

Love my mjjc cannon, but it’s definitely not worth the price

[@andyblake1849]

Just got my mjjc , for which I blame you as always. Very happy with it tbh , particularly after using a cheap thing because I stupidly originally figured they were all the same🤦🏻‍♂😂

[@anthonybellenie5143]

I paid 54 for mine from eca cleaning

[@stephentvideos492]

John would have been good to see the gun working and less chat 30mins of not much info more action less chat

[@ForensicDetailing]

theres shots in there of the gun in use mate.

[@ThisOldDetailingDude]

Mjjc ALL day long!

[@timclarke3097]

ECA cleaning £49.99

[@ForensicDetailing]

yer thats minus any adapter to connect it to you gun mate. its 54.99 I think with adapter from ECA they have 30% off deal going. but their RRP is 70 quid. still thats best price right now.

[@Chris-Viper]

Waiting for the MJJC Pro V3 😎

[@ForensicDetailing]

whens it due mate?

[@roger4880]

MTM wins. Or the Italian one you still own 😅 MJJC is made in China so hard no from me. Why put money in their hands when I can support US/EU companies.

[@DAT-TEXAS-DUDE]

I believe the bear force foam cannon is just as good as these for the price. I paid 25.99 for the brass version ,and i should have got the stainless steel one . Anyhow the foam cannon is amazing really puts out some thick foam. I upgraded to sitimilil brand orifice 1.1 and it changed the thickness of foam compared to the orifice that came installed. Bear Force foam cannon with a wide mouth ,clear bottle,and the weighted steel ball filter. Amazong foam cannon . I would never ever spend $100 dollars on a foam cannon

[@jakethegsd]

The screw cap on the Bear Froce is really poor though. Mine broke.

[@k54lgo]

I have an Mjjc pro..I bought another snow foam bottle of Temu for 5 quid and find it equally as good.These expensive brands are a rip off.

[@dimmacommunication]

Just the fact that a chinese brand is a top performer is outstanding

[@youaake]

Thanks for another great video :). Btw go carnivore or keto and stop snoring, like i did. It will change your life and sleep. I have no intention in beeing rude, but i used to make the same sound when i inhale,i no longer do.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I have viral chest infection right now. voice is nakered breathing is nakered. obviously you talking to a pro athlete here. I will be back in training soon.

[@youaake]

@@ForensicDetailing sorry for not minding my own business, but hope you will give it a go. I think about this in every video i watch. If my presumptuations about the snoring is correct, you will absolutely love getting of carbs. It changed my life :)

[@DownloaderVideo]

@@youaakeOk buddy, noted. Now let’s get back to Detailing that is the purpose of the channel.