Prepare to dive! | How to play: Submarines | Playing Against Submarines

[@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel]

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[@codegame5038]

Where is Turkish language wow are you kidding we us?

[@AokiZeto]

two thing 1st: i wana press the start button to stop making it play in slow 2nd: is there yellow submarrine?

[@phuong6431]

Hey, will submarine arrive the blitz soon :)?

[@rossdrummond7154]

2:58 "Acoustic torpedoes do minor damage" Roon loses 55% health 24575hp

[@cringeonmain5653]

Meanwhile at t6 a u69 cackles with its 50 second 11.5km torps two shotting everything except bbs

[@arianmotahamelian1684]

The Fun Part is that he cant even repair the damage taken

[@tominmtnvw]

Despite all my efforts, and I am a good player, a submarine shed mine for a French cruiser recently. It focused on me and wouldn’t let go it chase me all the way to the back of the map with acoustic torpedoes, and finally sent me. That is utterly ridiculous.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

I've been there more than once.

[@WwZa7]

Yes, from six torpedoes at once. That need over a minute to reload. Also you are informed waaay before that you are being taken as a target. And you can just negate any tracking with click of one button. And even without it you can outmaneuver them even with a BB. Subs are not OP, they are a gimmic, a torpedo focused DD is far more useful than these, and can easily counter any sub.

[@epilepsie6035]

"Accoustic torpedoes deal _minor_ damage" Dumbledore said *calmly*

[@UnitSe7en]

Ever played a sub before? Try it once and then complain about them being OP.

[@nip3004]

​@@UnitSe7en it's the same with CVs play them enough and you'll learn how easy it is to deal with them.

[@derlemming4111]

the best crap of the game. unbalanced and the live server is the new test server. whats next? every russia ship with nukes?

[@BurninBone969]

Please turn on friendly fire for we can find "alternative" game play mechanics to better "engage" with subs

[@usshitchiti8862]

Agreed

[@georgedavidson957]

friendly interaction best interaction.

[@Mobius118F]

I don’t think it’s going to end well for you.

[@play030]

People like you are why they changed the game. Toxic Cry Baby.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

USS Balao IRL - 20.25 Knots surface, 8.75 Knots submerged. WOWS Balao 30.6 Knots Surface, ~25 Knots submerged - this is BEFORE the STUPID 18% speed buff that they gave sub captains!

[@Sira_Kackavalj]

Dont forget the heat seeking missles and immunity to sonar

[@UnitSe7en]

@@Sira_Kackavalj Uh oh! I know _somebody_ that doesn't know what they're talking about!

[@Squiddicus2]

Ignore ever other ship in the game

[@slowbro-]

@@UnitSe7en it’s you LMAO

[@georgedavidson957]

you have to admire weegee's ability to take a large square peg, take 3 years to poorly hammer it into a tiny round hole then tell us that its a perfect fit and its so perfect they cant be bothered working on it anymore. this and cv rework has made my entire clan quit and those guys were good and loved the game!

[@lazyrobit2476]

Not only did you show a destroyer getting shotgunned by a submarine being used as the example for "ships are hard to ping." You used a clip of a sub hitting 4 torps and almost deleting a roon from full health as "minimal damage"... Balance at its finest. Also, I would love to see the historical accuracy of a WW2 sub going 28 knots surfaced, let alone submerged.

[@jde-jj1lu]

I see you're not complaining of the historical inaccuracy of the WG subs only have couple of minutes submerged at a time - but I suppose that doesn't support your narrative of them being OP

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

>going 28 next to the surface is the devil >having 4:13 dive capacity is fine

[@Красиваясоветскаядевушка]

Change the title to "Prepare to die! There is no effective counterplay against submarines!"

[@HMSHyde02]

damn near invisible too

[@muffinman6048]

A class so ready for release they had to be banned from brawls instantly. Imagine if WG had learnt to code properly.

[@DBT1007]

They need to learn from Steel Ocean😅

[@SaiIor_Moon]

*How to play submarines* That's the neat part, you *don't.*

[@Dysphoricsmile]

"Acoustic Torpedoes do MINOR damage" - Shows roon going from full HP to 18k with 4 HOMING torpedoes that are yet ANOTHER thing to either kill you or force you to go broadside to other enemies at any time.

[@Zemeritt]

Radar doesn't work on periscop subs.... The brains of this company.

[@Powerhaus88]

BUT IT GOES THROUGH ISLANDS DOOOOHH

[@hellcat0142]

Me when surface search radar doesn't detect something that's under the surface: 🤯

[@febaranfe]

02:57 Acoustic torpedos deal minor damage Easily deleting 2/3 hp of Roon

[@miguelg6314]

So dumb torpedos

[@dafan-uv8vf]

@@miguelg6314 torpedos are the most feared weapons on the sea what are you talking about?

[@tigerterrorist79]

Are these different ways to interact??? No way!

[@MrRedRye]

You just have to perform a "simple manoeuvre" and it will solve all your problems. Also don't forget to "git good and adapt".

[@tigerterrorist79]

@@MrRedRye just dodge those homing danger dongs lmao

[@MrRedRye]

@@tigerterrorist79 "just use your damage con to avoid the torps. It's not like they have a 40s reload and you have a conde and Nevsky spamming you with HE at the same time. It's a skill issue" - average 45% CV and Sub apologist

[@professionalantichristhate528]

Just dodge lmao

[@nicholasd.6515]

"Submarines are ready to take place on the same stage as all other type ships in the game." except no, they're not. you just needed to move on.

[@HMSHyde02]

Ah yes, I love being pinged seconds after using the damage control consumable and not being able to do anything about 5-8 homing torpedoes coming my way.

[@UnitSe7en]

Cry harder the ocean needs more water

[@HMSHyde02]

xD Pfft

[@alexdrahomaretskyi2792]

I guess you also love being conveniently ignorant because homing torps stop homing a few km from the ship so you could still turn. Also it's your own fault you wasted your damage control early. Really, it surprises me how everyone's bitching about submarines yet it feels like no-one even watched the damn video.

[@zays_mentos]

@@UnitSe7en "cry harder" spoken like a true sub-50% WR player

[@Aluminati1]

@@UnitSe7en You wreak of 38%wr

[@thegame9706]

Like usual, great editing, music and effort put into these videos. But personally I'm not interested in submarines in their current state.

[@kizune3322]

4:05 the peak performance from the dogshit class, shotgunned a dd - just dodge and simple maneuver.

[@adrianionut8464]

Yeah Yeah...before the battle starts pray that the sub won't come for you because otherwise you are F... If the sub attacks you you have to drop everything you do and focus on the sub because if you don't he will kill you. At least the CV doesn't have to bother itself with this. Well done ✅👍

[@dragorocky2]

Remember when Smol HE spam was the biggest threat? Yeah I remember those days, long gone.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

12k is apparently minor damage

[@SaiIor_Moon]

40k-60k damage in a single strike, such minor damage, easily avoidable with a "simple maneuver" LOLS!!! 🤡

[@estoyaqui5386]

I started playing in 2015. Over time we´ve seen some ridiculous ships and concepts in Halloween modes and they were fun. But what we have now in form of submarines and carriers as permanent part of the game is partly even more ridiculous. And in the main modes it is game-breaking. I hope you are happy with your game WG, I am not.

[@nickheffernan123]

I've been playing since then as well, and i rhink the games better than ever :-)

[@johnmcdefault4620]

"Minor damage" must have a different meaning where these guys are from

[@chrisbonnett6783]

4 stealth torps 50% HP gone in a T7 BB. Another set moments later I'm sitting on 10%. Because I'm spotted by a sub I can't see I'm taken out long-range by another BB. He must have been so disappointed that he didn't get the kill. The players make the game. Attract the wrong players you get what you get.

[@tominmtnvw]

Over the years I’ve played more than 23,000 battles. Now that subs have arrived, I’m seriously considering quitting the game. I never thought that would happen. Are used to love the game. Subs are 0P. The worst of it is the acoustic torpedoes. If a sub focuses on a baby, or even a cruiser, you can kiss your backside goodbye. There is no escaping acoustic torpedoes. Also, subs are to fish on the surface. They should not be able to keep up with surface chips. That is unrealistic. Now when there is a sub in the game, I have to spend a lot of time defensively, instead of playing my natural aggressive style. I hate that. There are other problems with the subs that are not quite so egregious but I won’t go into them now. I was present in the game when aircraft carriers arrived and the fire storm over subs vastly overshadows the resistance to aircraft carriers. Fix the subs or get rid of them.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

I got nowhere NEAR the battles of you, but I have been playing since CBT - I used to be in love with this game through til around 2018, and I slowly played less and less. Now I barely touch the game and I have not spent 1 red cent since last Black Friday. Control is an AWESOME game! I sure Doom Eternal, Metro Exodus, and RDR2 all are as well, I am gonna work my way through those and then get more! WG wouldn't even allow me to transfer my WG account to Steam where all the BEST deals are, that pissed me off a long ways back.

[@LarryWater]

I stop playing this game and started playing Modern Warships.

[@UnitSe7en]

I agree. The subs are currently combat ineffective compared with surface ships. they need buffing. Fix now plz WG.

[@LarryWater]

Nevermind, I’m back

[@Mythos1981]

Who was the genius in WG who said "Let's make subs as fast as destroyers?".....Historical accuracy out the window...

[@Nickname-hier-einfuegen]

It's very hard to find anything in the game that was ever historically accurate. Fantasy ships shooting each other at close range without formations.

[@dahen7517]

As if there was all *that* much in the first place

[@johnmanley7859]

They would never be able to engage.

[@Mythos1981]

@@johnmanley7859 i don't recall wolfpacks having issues engaging during WWII....Not to mention that here they use speed to retreat, not enter a fight...Most of them stay at the rear and only advance when everyone else has.

[@Mythos1981]

@@dahen7517 we must have some things in this game, otherwise make ships fly in the air.

[@GunnyGreenhill]

Just remove subs, no one is waiting for this thrash.

[@gabrielsas7373]

the game is very manipulated .. it's not worth it!

[@adyolt5284]

these from wg are russian, right? You have it in your DNA to control and manipulate, that's the truth!

[@RobintheW]

I just want to take my Battleships to the Front row and brawl, but that's not possible anymore. German BBs now are even more useless than they were before

[@albertohermida766]

I agree a submarine 3km launch a salvo and is undetectable

[@tannerjohnson754]

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[@DeadBaron]

Your BBs all have depth charge planes that can one shot subs...

[@RobintheW]

@@DeadBaron some of those have 5 Km range at tier IX. At that Range you basically can't dodge with a slow BB. Also Subs don't need to get as close as 5 km because they are invincible if they are farther away. Also also: You cant drop air deployed Depth charges directly on you, you need to drop them 1km ahead of you. That all is still assuming that you can even see the sub. So BBs have no choice but to snipe, and some of the BBs aren't cut out to snipe because they can't hit anything if they are farther than 15km away

[@dominicomucci3014]

Battleships were never viable at the front row unless the enemy team were stupid battleships should be behind tbe destroyer screen or with cruisers.

[@GhostyTH]

How to uninstall the game.

[@johnmanley7859]

I had to stopped playing Im not having fun . CVs and Subs are lame. Skill level of players make lots of 1 sided battles. World of Boats and Planes . 20000 battle veteran. I know what the game was like when it was good. It looks good the art is great but it sucks.

[@Formulka]

No.

[@erikayamada4540]

Compared to good submarine games these ones are utter rubbish to play and they just make the game way more boring. Such a stupid implementation.

[@johnfrancisterne1072]

Just give us more convoy and wolfpack game modes, and we'll be fine. Just keep them out of randoms

[@slowbro-]

Imagine playing a destroyer and getting ‘outspotted’ by a submarine while his team kills your ship and you have no idea where he is. Imagine playing a cruiser with proximity depth charges, and getting ‘shotgunned’ to 0 by a unseen ship because it’s impossible to turn away in time. Imagine playing a battleship and firing easily dodgable depth charges while eating homing torps that are impossible to dodge or outrun, it’s not like you need your damage con for anything else right? Imagine the sub on your team is always a first class idiot who immediately dies while the enemy sub gets 4+ kills and just force wins the game on his own. Get these pieces of trash out of the game if you want to stop hemorrhaging players. 😊

[@dominquedoty458]

That, OR buff the Destroyers! Make the Destroyers have strong resistance to Submarine's homing torpedoes. Along with a much shorter sonar ping timer. That way A Destroyer can eat up them subs easily! (Just mind the Sub's comrades in arms.)

[@slowbro-]

@Dominque Doty what... ok I will repeat, a sub defeats a dd by outspotting him and not firing off a single ping. Spotted dds are summarily gunned down as their main protective mechanic is null and void. Buffing destroyers is not going to address that. Why do you think subs are banned in clan battles? Because they are inherently unfair... Devs don't want the fate of each clan battle to depend on one ship, apparently that's where they finally draw the line. The one logical action they've taken exposes their own awareness of the issue and unwillingness to address it.

[@dominquedoty458]

@@slowbro- I only wanted to ensure DDs have a strong counter against the Subs... But you're very much correct in regard to the Spotting. A Sub that can keep a DD detected is a dead DD. Cruisers and other ships will AIM at the DD till it is all sunk. And that is a good teamplay of a Sub's scouting action. And I don't blame you on why subs are pretty much unfair. More so with Submarines playing Shotgun bull crap. I tried a Sub once. And I felt like a dirty cheater. Thou I played a different style. Fire one homing torp each 3 seconds. While also Pinging a Target. Since the torps are spaced out in the 3 secs. I was eventually torturing the target. Never again. I'll rather be a stealth DD with torps to land on BBs and cruisers.

[@peterdelphiki]

Stfu. The bb depth charges are impossible to avoid. Every player guns for subs. And we have no HP. Destroyer players pretty much ran the game until subs showed up. Subs torpedoes aren't enough to destroy bbs or most cruisers in a single volly. You are just jealous that you can't run the game anymore.

[@peterdelphiki]

​@@dominquedoty458 Destroyers are way more overpowered than subs.

[@Raizmorph]

And they use to say submarines will never be implemented because they simply dont work for WoW

[@play030]

Proof?

[@Raizmorph]

@@play030 one of their older videos about 3 years ago

[@limeddasch382]

I want this message to reach to the manager who has the last say on what gets implemented and what doesn't: You're a clot and you've ruined the game.

[@niume7468]

I like submarines

[@limeddasch382]

@@niume7468 Yes and I like pineapple, but not on pizza. It‘s the same here. Submarines, are great. World Of Warships was great. But I don‘t want both at the same time.

[@GIUSEPPE2245]

​@@limeddasch382 Im italian, thx about not destoying our culture for once... well, now straight to the question: Why are submarines bad? Bare in mind, i play from ps4 ( i just have a shitty laptop who lags at 5 loaded chunks) and on ps4 there are no subs... i gotta ask, why theyre so bad? (On ps4 pan asian cruisers are still on "early access", lol pc gamers when we will get subs they will have flying aircrafts carriers) 😂😂😂

[@limeddasch382]

@@GIUSEPPE2245 Well the submarine debacle is huge. I‘m gonna try to simplify the problem into a few short points. 1. They are stealthier than any other class, they can literally dive under any ship without being detected. Realistic, but bad for gameplay. 2. They tend to be faster, more maneuverable than destroyers and are still tankier. Which isn‘t a combination that should coexist in one vessel. You can be good at one, but terrible at the other two. But not be good at all of them. 3. The pinging mechanic stresses the damage control party. Tanking in a battleship involves using the damage con to counter the massive amount of HE spam. Now countering fires, floods, damaged equipment is already completely overwhelming the damage control. Having to counter the ping and also having to do it in a way, that if the torpedoes hits, the flood won‘t catch you with your pants down is hard when you‘re trying to deal with the entire rest of the game. 4. Shotgunning. Shotguns in video games tend to all be played the same way; hold it about half an arms length from the enemy‘s face and pull the trigger. Go any further away and they don‘t do any damage at all. Well going back to point 1 and 2. You can immediately see the problem; they submerge, come up directly in front of the ship and by the time they‘re detected they‘ve already launched enough torpedoes in your face, to sink an entire fleet. So you can‘t counter whatsoever, due to server lag, bad game design and Wargaming not knowing what they‘re doing. I do apologize for any grammatical and or spelling mistakes.

[@GIUSEPPE2245]

@@limeddasch382 Sir, thx a lot for ur time and long explanation, don't worry about grammatical error, is normal we aren't english natives... well, than im quite safe playing on ps4 😅

[@grahambrown3519]

Stupid implementation of the class is the main issue. A single direct hit would kill a submarine, it does not. A submarine at anything below periscope depth could not acquire a target yet now they can, their speed is simply out of kilter with their actual relative speed in game, it was feasible for BB’s to steam away from subs, indeed a recommended tactic, and DD’s had no issue catching them especially when submerged, hydro only detects them when close in as opposed to a decent distance as was the case. I can just about live with most of these for gameplay. The fact though that a submarine that has had a high calibre shell punch through its pressure hull can then simply dive denies any logic. They should be restricted to at most periscope depth for at least 30secs after a hit say from 203mm and above. Being caught on the surface was the death knell for a sub now it is at most a minor inconvenience.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

How disconnected from the community they built can a game dev be? Find out by watching this video! So many GREAT Steam games in my Backlog, but right now I am stuck in Control, that game is amazing. WOWS is dying, I am so glad I haven't spent a dime since last Black Friday. CVs and subs make the game totally pointless to play anymore.

[@UnitSe7en]

Ok. Go play those. Bye.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

You nailed it.

[@Webby304]

So you use a consumable to avoid torps, before it reloads you have been pinged again and more torps on their way. You can’t outrun the sub, it’s faster than you, you can’t see the sub or know it’s there, but it can see you. So op.

[@AdityaKashyap-mg5cw]

Just dcp bro….😐

[@UnitSe7en]

Have you played a sub yet? Try it and tell me how OP it is. If it's so OP, why don't you just switch to playing subs and pwn all the potato ships? Hm? We already both know the answer.

[@alanwebster5617]

Played them, but prefer to play ships more appropriate for the game. OP may be the wrong word, but the adverse effect they have ruins the game.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@@alanwebster5617 Optimal comment "ruins the game". You are correct, sir.

[@slowbro-]

@@UnitSe7en lol talk about calling your brain to be comparable to a hedgehog, without saying it.

[@catiecatgaming4795]

people complain alot about subs and how they can rip apart lots of ships easily, but its still difficult to play them, and if you're good at the game you can easily counter them

[@sakuyaizayoi1746]

their basically torpedo destroyers without aa gun/a bad gun and can dive, since i look at it this way, we had "sub gameplay" since like forever

[@user-kh8cc4bx7y]

Its just somthing else for people to learn to counter, adds more to the game and a new challange for new and old

[@RST9413]

only idits complain. i play subs and is fkin hard to kill one ship. i have like 50 matches and no kill. there is no advantage to play as subs. Even his ability to hide is limited.

[@pherbst502]

Soooo another OP class designed to break spotting mechanics and drag in low-skill players at the expense of an enjoyable game. Well done.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

Yes. Low-skilled is the appropriate term.

[@oaksmanor]

it seems that WARGAMING totally forgot there are ships that don't have any anti-submarine warfare at all. For example, Japanese Hybrid BB ISE. The Sub literally torpedo me from full health to death when a brawling battle left only me and a submarine. The matching mechanism is broken as well. In a brawling battle, one team have CV, Hybrid BB, DD and Sub. On the other hand, only CL and BB. Guess which team won without a single ship lost?

[@UnitSe7en]

Have you never been killed by other classes using their class strengths before? You people whinge with the logic of an unspanked 8-year old.

[@frankfletcher_1]

Subs should have stayed at the halloween iteration and never evolved further

[@leisureshoot]

Been playing since Alpha. Every time a sub kills me with no counterplay possible in my BB, I shut down the game and quit for a couple hours. A little longer each time. Maybe soon I will quit forever.

[@UnitSe7en]

Ok.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

I absolutely feel your pain. I think I'll drop out now.

[@leisureshoot]

@@chrisbonnett6783 I'm hanging out in ranked for now.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Every time a BB sinks my cruiser with no counterplay besides spending the enrire game parked next to an island and doing nothing, I switch to sub.

[@FrednnardSFM]

haven't you heard about Airstrike depth charges and zigzags?

[@Squantanamo]

Step 1: Don't

[@jvtrashytown1801]

You mean do right?

[@juanjosen.l3974]

remove su and balance cvs

[@robertclemmons1666]

Keep these out of competitive game play, put them in their own game mode. I'm sick of eveyrone being at the back of the map hiding form super ships and subs while getting taxed by CV's. The game is going downhill fast by adding things in a way that aren't enjoyable to most of us.

[@IKoNKaRb0N]

take subs out of the game please

[@gonotgone1]

Submarines have been so poorly implemented in this game, they are so boring to play and make the game way more passive and dull.

[@paulstack7286]

Awful gameplay.

[@UnitSe7en]

Probably much like your marriage.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@@UnitSe7en The guy criticizes a game, and you attack his marriage? That's why you drive a sub. It fits your basic personality.

[@IRC2005]

This video is just a demonstration of all the problems with this inane new gameplay - subs, that practically noone in the community wants. Lying to us in the video about “minor damage”, and ignoring the elephant in the room that is shotgunning, just reinforces the idea that th3 Developer has completely lost their way with this game now. Such a shame.

[@manicooore]

Giving CAs like Roon shipboard ASW is the game developer equivalent of telling your buddy to piss on an electric fence.

[@keller1334]

Thank you for bringing a class as broken as CV's to the game. Enjoying the ever increasing campy gameplay and being hunted the whole game with no defense. Listen to your player base. No player likes to feel like there is nothing they can do to negate getting crapped on. And CV's and now subs do that with little defense against. Fix the game before adding more broken stuff. 4 years since the CV rework. And they still can sit at the back of the map and crap on anyone they want too. Take away their aircraft factories and make it where they actually risk something.

[@lotta-continua]

almost every ship has sub counter-play

[@OninDynamics]

@@lotta-continua counterplay that is boring, and rarely works

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Meanwhile BBs get to sink cruisers with one left click from three continents away and zero risk and that's somehow ok.

[@keller1334]

@@ZenoDovahkiin The dispersion on most bb's is pretty poor. But they do add to the campy meta.

[@GIUSEPPE2245]

Guys help everyone saying "cv cv cv" what are those i can't understand 😅😅

[@auxityne]

Guess what? I don't want WG to remove subs or carriers. I want them to confidently rest on their laurels and prove to us how vital these classes are to their game design by doing one simple thing. This action probably doesn't require more than a hotfix's worth of code and therefore shouldn't take away from current development work in any big way. Here's the idea: Copy and paste random battles into a new battle type. Everything about randoms is carried over into this new game mode with one exception: carriers and submarines can't enter it. Call this mode "Surface Warfare" and test it, on the live clusters, for thirty days (or two patch cycles, whichever is shorter). Let the players decide - actually, this gives players a third choice beyond just "play" or "not play", the latter of which thousands of people seem to be doing already. Prove it. Prove how well implemented these classes are. Show the players through game experience.

[@gfriedline]

Yeah right; because the only people playing that "all class" mode would be subs and CVs. Nobody with any sense would queue up for that trash in surface-locked ships. The MM would be broken with 4subs/4CVs for each match, and maybe some surface bots chucked in for them to farm. They know it wont work so it will never be an option. Nice thought though, I would certainly pay to unlock the "Surface Mode" on a month-to-month basis just to reduce the frustration factor of gaming.

[@BertSerkender]

I like ur idea. Getting rid of those retirement-home-gamers all at once!

[@UnitSe7en]

lol

[@ziero1986]

To add to your idea, give the new game mode +/- 1 tier MM. make it basically a contest for 30 days. whichever mode sees the most interaction wins.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

They will never do this. It would be embarrassing. No surface ships would join the CV-Sub game. They would have to insert bots.

[@darling69002]

new submarines suck. they are pointless and usless in battles. You get spotted you die becouse everyone focus you, and new diving mechanic suck. old one was better

[@a.j.8926]

Remove subs. stop forcing us to use them.

[@richardcobb1555]

I have never played a sub in WoWS. Just because they want you to doesn't mean you have to. :)

[@zays_mentos]

@@richardcobb1555 they pretty much are. The best counter to a sub is to play as another sub. And for a lot of ppl, sub gameplay is boring to play as and overly frustrating to play against. No one wins in this scenario

[@richardcobb1555]

@@zays_mentos Naaaah. I've never played a sub nor will I.

[@admirallotor]

Never

[@admirallotor]

Submarines are the best ship class

[@FlyingTooFast]

Sub-a dub dub, I won’t be relaxing in that tub

[@clikantt1957]

That seems to be unbalance for me

[@franz265]

Worst decision ever made by the warships team and that bar was already super high. Yet they manage to disappoint over and over again.

[@sta11ed15]

Best decision,can’t wait for subs

[@franz265]

@@sta11ed15 These boats will dumpster the gameplay further down. Go play some real U-Boat game and not this stupid stuff.

[@MJPIA]

The only submarine that needs to be in this game is the remains of sunken ships sliding into the depths. These abominations have no place in the game

[@LittleHumanPlayer]

We only need it to be removed, it's broken

[@Cattusmagicus]

This is a joke... xd "minor damage" 24k

[@nickheffernan123]

You've never copped 24k damage from a BB broadside?

[@Cattusmagicus]

@@nickheffernan123 can I go right next to you in a bb while i spot you and you cant see me? Can a bb go 40 knots? Can you drop detection in a bb when you want? Why i cant spot them with hydro? And why i have to use damage control to remove pings? Maybe becouse subs are built for potatoes?

[@nickheffernan123]

@@Cattusmagicus will your bb shatter when hit by one badly aimed salvo? Subs die EASY. Ever heard the phrase glass cannon? Maybe try playing them a little before having a cry. You'll lesrn their weaknesses real quick. But that takes time, effort and skill which you cry babies dont seem willing to learn.

[@mistergrr]

@@nickheffernan123 Yes but that's considered major damage, not minor

[@Aci_yt]

A super fun new class, even if there are still some kinks to iron out! Thanks, Wargaming! :)

[@georgedavidson957]

guided torps, underwater speeds faster than destroyers, undetectable ........ why didnt you just make a modern sub game?

[@tatagraihanugerah6065]

World of Submarines ?

[@GandziaxBG]

Agree, im rly glad there's somethink diffrent than yet another surface ship with guns/torps or just a CV.. Well sub arent that OP as long as its me playing them :D, Tho a good player will turn anything into "OP" stuff. Wows players will just complain about everything.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

>29 knots is faster than DD >meanwhile max depth speed is like slower than CV

[@deltawarshipdelta8565]

Lmao they named the GK go go subs xD. How much do you want to force subs ? WG yes

[@nftscammer2916]

Remove subs

[@alexlukas2817]

Remove Subs!!!

[@Zee_warthunder]

No

[@zx-3948]

@@Zee_warthunder You're right. We need CVs removed, too. Although, removing both subs and carriers is not a big enough band aid to fix the problems WG have made...

[@rogerborg]

Just when you thought players couldn't hate anything more than Sky Cancer, Wargaming lowers the bar yet again.

[@light161_]

i love both aircraft and submarines

[@tijger5353]

@@light161_ me2

[@antiqas]

"you probably guessed that the topic of todays video is the topic you googled and was in the title of the video..." Yeah budy... Quite some writing skills you got there

[@pier36wow73]

Remove subs or make them a separate game mode. 90% of players dislike them. They are overpowered and unfair.

[@frederickthegreat3912]

Kind of like real life lmao

[@sullysquid674]

Then start playing them jackass, why get mad when you can have yourself a submarine

[@gonzo5648]

I complained at first, but now I'm just used to this being part of the game. Lord forbid you have to learn to deal with a new mechanic and adapt to game play. With a little education, these things are not impossible to deal with. They have counters and weaknesses, just like every other ship in the game. The big counter, just like every other ship... teamwork. The more I learn to counter them (mostly by playing them and reading posts and watching videos) the less impossible they are. In fact, the game is more dynamic and interesting.

[@TF2Scout..]

Its realism

[@eruno_]

skill issue 😂

[@Dominus_Potatus]

Next video should be explaining how to dodge homing torpedo when you are using DD, I really wonder how you dodge that thing with DD

[@sovietheart3883]

Just remove submarines already!

[@dough7944]

U mad? Cause I like hunting helpless battleships

[@hideyoshi5681]

Why submarines are helpful. Sure wen you play as a bb than they are annoying

[@bigimpulsegaming]

Evertime i see a sub sink underwater, I think this is WGing's playerbase trapped in a sinking sub?

[@lasgb91]

When we reach 5:00 we can see that the hydro is outdated in this "How to play", it doesn't last 30 seconds anymore.

[@GreenAppelPie]

I stopped playing last year

[@UnitSe7en]

Such amazing input into the discussion. Thanks for letting everyone know!

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@@UnitSe7en He stopped playing last year because of subs. Now, do you understand his comment?

[@nguyenmai4806]

You either be a decent human being, or you can choose to be a sub/CV player.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

You nailed it. IMHO, WG is attracting the wrong type of player.

[@avgjoe646]

The only real counter against subs, play something else...

[@WwZa7]

Have you actually ever played a sub? Everything will counter you.

[@unowno123]

5:12 this is easily the most frustrating and anoying ability in the game. I wonder what the reasoning was behind keeping it in this extremely powerful state. It is so powerful that it has a battle preperation timer. I think it should have it's range reduced to 4 km for all subs as it is almost impossible to counter and currently has an absolutely massive range, a great source of frustration sadly for an otherwise very fun and cool class.

[@gabrieljosephybanez6361]

Because the SS class are already poweful enough....

[@mgxd11]

In Surface you cant be detected with sub surveillance

[@Daniloxidado]

Submarines are the only thing that keeps me from playing Tier V and up as a new player lol, it's just not fun to play against them.

[@mazda759]

Try again. They (submarines) are nerfed to bottom.

[@Daniloxidado]

@@mazda759 I started playing the game after the nerfs, I just find myself still getting skill issue'd by them because my teammates in my flank only get the cap and then vaporize 💀

[@Daniloxidado]

@@mazda759 also, I find it really hard to learn how to counter a ship that is 100% of the time undetected, even at point blank range

[@mazda759]

@@Daniloxidado From my perspective, there was a time when shotgunning was a thing, and now it's impossible to do. WG added damage ramp up that killed it. I relied on it heavily. Mods really help in pin-pointing subs. Mb that's my issue that I can't play properly on them, but right now they are more annoyance than a threat. TM8 are dying from guns of other battleships not subs. That is my experience.

[@FrednnardSFM]

It's fun playing against them and i sink them quite often with cruisers, battleships and destroyers

[@freddyty4390]

Maybe trying to fix the MM balancing issue before bringing us anymore trash ship type. Whoever runs the develop department needs to do a dna test to see if their parent are cousins. Have never seen any online game company that does not listen to the player base at all. That’s why your player number dropped so hard that you have to merge servers and sold part of your studio. So Pathetic

[@MegaHalofan343]

I want to know where my depth charges are going to drop befor i drop them in my Swed. DDs

[@MrLhxD]

WG killing this game as usual. Soon no one will play this wonderful game due to overpowered submarines and premiums

[@kiIIer_b]

Keep crying brokey

[@WwZa7]

If submarines are overpowered, wait till you see a torpedo focused DD.

[@freelancerz777]

How to fight submarine vs submarine? Do I need to ping ?

[@romarioblair2706]

yes... its important also to know when to use your submarine surveillance as well... if you can get the enemy sub to burn theirs first that'll be better

[@WwZa7]

Ping, and it's best to get close on enemy sub. It's easy to outmaneuver torpedoes by just changing depth. Keep yourself at 30 or 60 depth, and if you miss... Well than there's RAMMING SPEED! You can also keep your torpedoes till you get really close, and just point-blank fire at very close range if you can aim them well. But generally it is rare you will get to fight enemy sub without any backup. You should stick to your allies, as sub has little to no spotting capabilities when submerged, and everything is better at fighting subs than a sub.

[@Tranzzform]

Stop trying to make us think people want this.

[@richardcobb1555]

Unfortunately there is a group of people who do.

[@EvoraGT430]

@@richardcobb1555 Yeah, those who cannot play gun-ships.

[@richardcobb1555]

@@EvoraGT430 I was really bad for so long but I kept at it and now I feel proficient playing DDs, cruisers and BBs but now it's all relegated to Co-op. It is a disgrace what Random has become. I'm certain I am not the only one with that opinion. *edit* By "proficient" I mean I am a little above potato level, I think. *grin*

[@hellhoundactual8201]

@@EvoraGT430 I have 5 Tier X's and have been here since Beta, I know how to use Gun-Ships, Subs are fragile as hell and easy to kill. stop whining

[@zays_mentos]

@@EvoraGT430 must be CV mains. Better yet, mains with a low winrate so they can use their own bad stats to "prove" that their class is "balanced" And ppl wonder why the two most out of place classes in the game are not only the most despised by the community, but also the classes whose hands are held most by WG

[@mick9193]

Remove submarines!!!

[@tyr3759]

Great explanation, terrible music

[@littletommy4250]

but do you take less damage when your at maximum depth like 60 meter???? cuz in the test server when your down at 80 meters you take lesser damage.

[@BlackHearthguard]

Yes, subs are _relatively_ easy to kill and to evade, that's not the real problem here. The real problems are that firstly they, like CVs kill tactical gameplay. How are you supposed to develop an attack when everything you do is seen from miles away by something you can't kill? And secondly, like evading aircraft from a CV, you *_must_* drop _everything_ you're doing and concentrate on dealing with a ship type that doesn't have to risk it's own ass to counter _you._ Unlike literally every other ship in the game.

[@themysteriousguy3784]

Dw guys WG just needs another class to sell premiums for

[@BlackHearthguard]

I-400 and Surcouf incoming

[@lt_elena9535]

WG - DO NOT NEED players who understand that submarines do not fit into the game. Submarines break the gameplay and are OUT OF BALANCE of the game.

[@mrx5232]

WE DONT WANT SUBS!!!!!! LISTEN TO US!!!!!!

[@depj1000]

Stuff it. I want subs

[@Zee_warthunder]

I do

[@jde-jj1lu]

We the people, want the subs

[@mrx5232]

@@jde-jj1lu congratulations to you people for killing the game

[@jde-jj1lu]

@@mrx5232 Don't hate the playa, hate the game

[@Wong_wong565]

Please give ISE depth charge. How is this ship going to counter submarine without one.

[@TheAussieTanker_Youtube]

intro soundtrack do be hitting hard tho

[@wk6499]

We shall observe the long term play rates and see if you will lie about them.

[@Galactica-t7w]

When a sub is far from you and you using ship-mounted depth charges... yea, dead meat for sure

[@UnitSe7en]

When a DD is in smoke pinging you with it's pew-pews and chipping off your health and you don't have radar... When a BB cits you down to 50hp and there's no island to hide behind before reload... Like, get over it dude. It's rock/paper/scissors, ok? Every class has it's strengths and it's counters. Just because you get killed by a strength doesn't make it OP. ffs.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@@UnitSe7en But there is radar. Ther is no sonar. You have to guess where the sub is to air-drop. Almost never a hit.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

@@chrisbonnett6783 Too stupid to press HAS. Also, if there's an enemy sub, your own sub spawns the same side of the map. Ergo you have sub survailence. Maybe work with your ally instead of insulting him all game.

[@dolan660]

great subs, get rid of them

[@KingKatRider]

WG loves throwing beer bottles from the back of the room dont they? I mean in WoT you have the artillery in WoW you have carriers and subs all of which are sucker punch's to your gaming fun.

[@Deadpool_-kp5ry]

Saviez-vous que les sous-marins n’ont pas uniquement participé à l’opération meute de loup pour couler uniquement les convois… Parce que les sous-marins ont participé de nombreuses batailles pendant la guerre du Pacifique même certains navires japonais ont été coulé par la plupart des sous-marins Américain comme le atago qui à été coulé par un sous-marin américain durant la Bataille du golfe de Leyte, même le porte-avions japonais Shinano qui a été touché par les torpilles d’un sous-marin américain à 3h du matte et sombre à 11h du matin… Fais comme si que vous était en pleine bataille du Pacifique et que vous êtes ensuite confronté avec les sous-marins tactique, même dans certains type de bataille comme (batailles aléatoire) ou en (opération) peux vous emmener en bataille du Pacifique, mais sérieusement ça ça fait partie de la vraie histoire.

[@solidtoto]

Et donc? Aucun rapport.

[@combatmikearms]

Yeah sure subs participated in real life, but in real life they didn't have fucking race car speeds, weren't nearly immune to Sonar (ya know, the thing specifically designed to hunt subs), radar picked them up at periscope depth, they didn't take many depth charges to sink at all, and couldn't just magically phase out from existance near an enemy sub

[@koltonwilcousky8317]

Does anyone think they should add the I-400

[@rickb6694]

No. This game is exhausting. Absolutely not.