Worlds Best Sharpening Stones!? NEW USA MARKET SHARPENING STONES

[@ВикторияСадовничая]

Poltava CBN stones are the best stones for sure! Highly recommend to everyone. Super high quality and wear resistance

[@capolot]

I finally got a vitrified diamond stone. You should try to get one too.

[@user-Viktor-Demidov]

Хороший, наглядный и полезный обзор. Спасибо автору за проделаную работу, а также производителю и поставщику камней за новые и интересный камни. Автору удачи в работе и новых интересных обзоров.

[@timursadriev7987]

Hapstone has NEVER ever MADE AND CAN NOT MAKE the BODY(!) for a sharpening stone BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THIS! All they do is buy sharpening stones somewhere, stick them on aluminum and put their trademark, but they are not located in Poltava (!) and HAVE NO RELATION TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE BODY OF GRINDING WHETS !!!

[@hayden1590]

Pdt makes some great stones! I’ve had a set of the metallic bonded cbn ones for almost a year now and I can say they are excellent. However, those new venev archer metallic bonded diamond ones from gritomatic have been my favorite recently for normal sharpenings. (I don’t really chase mirrors much anymore) 😂

[@timursadriev7987]

Gritomatic that sell Hapstone or Venev on Amazon, has NEVER ever MADE AND CAN NOT MAKE the BODY(!) for a sharpening stone BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THIS! All they do is buy sharpening stones somewhere, stick them on aluminum and put their trademark, but they are not TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE BODY OF GRINDING STONE from PDTools or Venev. So, why people have to buy from Gritomatic instead official dealer USA-Market of PDTools? 🙂

[@michaell397]

@@timursadriev7987 they like spend a lot more I guess. Until things blew up over there, I had a source that cost less than half of Grit o Matic. Sadly, they wore out of Belarus and had due to imbargos shut down. KnifeMaker

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

The amount of time I heard this is the best stone at this point is laughable. I tried metallic bonded, resin bonded, plated, super vitrified , ect from 5 bucks to 500 bucks I have never been mind blown by any of them as long as it cuts and you know what you are doing and the surface is refreshable they will remove metal

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

I ended up getting the complete 11 $tone $et of these PDT plate$. Huge investment. I really like them. The 15,000 PDT will leave scratches over the Edge Pro 4k stones. Poltava uses the Gost rating system so be aware. Lifetime stones. Very fast cutters. I use Ferric Chloride to refresh them. Do not use SIC powder on these stones per Poltava. Not great for a mirror polish. Use resin stones for that. Cheers. Great informative video Jerad. Bang!

[@NeevesKnives]

HMM so the company is who reccommended the carbide powder but i will take what you said. i notice the deeper scratches as well, however i notice up to the 3k is extremely fine, it seems the 5 and 15k are the ones with that

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

@@NeevesKnives The SIC has a tendency to embed in the softer metallic bond. Not a big deal unless your chasing a mirror.

[@stranik1966]

Never - Ever "use electrolysis or ferric chlorine to maintain CBN stones" BECAUSE the factory not recommended it !!! You'll be kill your CBN metallic bond stone, but it's up to you, my friend

[@michaell397]

@@JohnDoe-zb7dz Their rep here is the one who suggested the sic powder. However when in contact with the company owner, he told me Etch with the Fic.. The sic powder leaves the surface much slicker. Much less bite. ;

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

@@michaell397 Thank you so much for the validation. I knew someone somewhere prioritized Fic over the SIC. OR maybe the owner wants you to "etch" through them faster to sell more?? HA!

[@user-ok4fo5pj9f]

Thanks for the review! Another very good example of how to sharpen knives on a machine. Clearly a professional!

[@danielabbott9312]

I agree 100% about having to be careful with how sharp the edges actually get I thought I had sharp knives before, until I started using free-handed ceramic Stones now I have to be careful because just the blade bumping my finger I won't even realize it, not even have felt it, and look down and I'm flayed open leaking everywhere smh

[@michaell397]

What they make super glue for. ;

[@user-mb4xy2cz3t]

What a coincidence, I also just found out about CBN recently and wanted to try them out. Thank god I got means to order them in Ukraine, because you guys, will probably make them out of stock on other platforms after this video. Also glad Poltava Diamond Tools is gaining popularity, they really deserve that!

[@timursadriev7987]

The CBN-stone from PDTools from Ukraine, really ARE

[@pac665]

To me at least, it seems that Venev stone still far and away the best option for most people. For $55 (and even for $75 which is what I got them at) you're getting 2 stones that will basically last forever or damn near close to it while getting some of if not the best edges possible. Like that's half the price for VERY similar performance. Maybe I'm missing something but that's just how I'm seeing it.

[@michaell397]

I have Venev, Nanawa, a Chinese knock off and although I love the Venev and Nanawa, there is NO comparison in the quickness and bite they produce. Not even close. The higher grit Venev's do give a nicer mirror finish However if show is what your into. ;

[@pac665]

@@michaell397 I mean I use an atom of 140 to start off then progress through venevs

[@kitanisthe]

I have the 1x6 Venevs... and they work great.. but this "new" manufacture looks promising.. But I have expensive tastes.. I want the 8x3's so Like the unobatanium Venenvs.. its going to take awhile

[@stranik1966]

Venev is also a good company, but in order to understand which is better, it is enough to find out the manufacturer, which plant the Kalashnikov concern uses when polishing the barrels of AK-47 assault rifles! So, until February 2022, the Kalashnikov concern (Russia) BUYED GRINDING PASTES FROM PDTools (Ukraine) and not from Venev (although it is a Russian company) - here is a simple, clear answer to you, which of the two companies - PDTools or Venev, is better 🙂

[@EdgeStoneKnives]

Dude your Hapstone Premium stones still have the gray factory resin on them. That's why they aren't cutting. If you lap them with silicon carbide powder they will cut just as fast as PDT Resin and Metallic bonded CBN stones. I can literally guarantee it. The Hapstone Premium are also a hybrid organic resin and metallic bond mix. They are not pure metallic bond. All that said, the PDT Resin Bonded CBN are by far my favorite stones of all time. So I agreed wholeheartedly with you and ones tried all the others you mentioned as well. Great video thanks!

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

Just out of curiosity but what grit of silicon powder do you use?

[@EdgeStoneKnives]

@@fuzzynuttz5092 Different for every stone but never use a higher grit powder than the stone itself.

[@Antimatter.]

I’m glad you said something because I just got the Premium Hamptone set I used them and as they worked fine , they didn’t cut that great with less feedback than resin bonded , I have sic powder to cut them down hopefully there better , do you recommend a certain grit sic for the certain grit stone ? Thanks

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

@@EdgeStoneKnives will keep that in mind

[@cornpop9262]

Just subscribed to your channel

[@D00MTR33]

They're nice but they're pricey. I can't justify buying a set when i have a complete set of Venevs (theyre ok) and Edge Pro diamond matrix (which are my favorite). If you're a professional sharpen (or have more money than you know what to do with) i can see justifying buying them. For me, what i have is fine. Been using a 800 grit boron nitride stone (its like a mix of a waterstone and ceramic) and irs awesome. Cuts fast, and with either 6 or 3 micron strop (i use 3M micropore medical tape or balsa) gives a great toothy and sharp edge.

[@user-rf7kc4ev6t]

I average about 25 knives a week, mostly kitchen from a variety of manufs. I have been using Atoma plates on a K03. I buy the 8x3 replacement plates, cut them on a bandsaw and finish the edges for application to my 1x6 aluminum plates. Saves a lot of $ this way, but I do still replace them quite often, especially the 600. I don't often find a need to chase a mirror and I have always seen it as subjective anyway, so the 4 grits Atoma produces along with stropping with Gunny 1um is satisfactory. Now you have me wondering if the metallic bonded cbn might be more cost-effective by cutting profiling time and the longevity of the stones. Your thoughts, or anyone else?

[@Riyame]

The metal bonded CBN will last SIGNIFICANTLY longer. Likely thousands of knives very easily (for even the low grit stones). That being said, you might want to keep a single very low grit Atoma plate around for when you have a serious profiling job to do as they will cut much faster than the CBN stones.

[@VooDooPoltava]

CBN metalic bond 600 grit will work for 5-7 years if you will sharp 100 knives per month

[@user-rf7kc4ev6t]

@@Riyame 👌

[@user-rf7kc4ev6t]

@@VooDooPoltava 👌

[@bazzzker]

I'm pretty sure that hapstone stones and pdt stones are produced at same factory at Poltava, Ukraine. Actually PDT is Poltava Diamond smthng i think.

[@Riyame]

Poltava Diamond Tools. Somebody posted that they talked with Hapstone and the rep said that PDT does not make Hapstone stones or at the very least they used a different binder. Theirs are metal/organic bond which is different than the PDT stuff.

[@bazzzker]

@@Riyame hm... Interesting.

[@timursadriev7987]

I am pretty SURE - 100% sure that PDTools is located in Poltava city, Ukraine - it is a factory that has been established and operating since 1966! And Hapstone company is located in Sumy city, Ukraine - it is an assembly shop in a garage, where guys glue the body of sharpening stone from PDTools onto a 3mm aluminum plate and sell them as factory-made - they are scammers! Because it's not "not fair play", since 2024, PDTools has stopped selling ONLY the body of the sharpening stone, and now the factory sells only BRANDED SHARPENING CBN-stones GLUED TO 4MM (!) ALUMINUM, so that Hapstone does not use the word of "POLTAVA" for its advertising purposes!

[@timursadriev7987]

@@Riyame They buy the body of sharpening stones either from the Kyiv Diamond Tool Factory or another Ukrainian factory (I know its name, but I can't tell you for commercial reasons), and pass it off as their own abrasive. Guys, in order to make YOUR OWN ABRASIVE YOU NEED MILLIONS OF INVESTMENTS in dollars, and 20-30 practical activities at LEAST! What are you talking about, don't make me laugh, Hapstone WILL NEVER make their own abrasive, because these are not workers and engineers - these are young businessmen who have learned to promote their goods on Internet platforms! They have never lifted anything heavier than a ballpoint pen and a keyboard in their lives, but they know how to make websites, promote them and "pull the wool over the eyes" of Americans - THEY DEFINITELY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS 🤣

[@Riyame]

@@timursadriev7987 I just downloaded their English catalog from their Knife sharpening products page. It shows 3mm base plate and 3mm abrasive layer. Must be fake as well.

[@christianbureau6732]

Learning every time, I’m seriously looking for THE sent of stone. Happy you review them all 😉

[@user-wb6ke7hf9d]

CBN IS REALLY GOOD

[@bretkoesser]

I'm trying to interpret your conclusion. Are you recommending Atoma for the lower grits and then get metallic bonded CBN USA Market stones for grits >1k?

[@VooDooPoltava]

Awesome view! I will definitely want to try this stones in work! Thank you

[@tomcat5284]

Thanks for the video. I am learning so much

[@desertchild.]

I really hope you do a review on the Venev Centaur stones. I'm going to end up buying the three Stone set in order to keep practicing my free hand skills, but also I want to try the resin bonded diamonds as well.

[@michaell397]

they are very good but a great deal slower and wear very slowly, but faster by far than metallic bonded. P:DT made them as well. I have only one here in the 3000 grit diamond resin bonded. Polishes the same as the Veneve. Not as pretty a color I guess. simple light cream brown rather the the redish 3000 veneve. if that matters at all. Much thicker bond by double at least. Oop's, my mystique. only 2mm. I was thinking of themetalix bonded which is 3.50 mm. I understand them make two different thicknesses just as Veneve does. KnifeMaker

[@Mstymntntop]

I have three of the dual sided venev dragon stones…100/240, 400/800, & 1200/2000. Are you saying these are not as good? For my kitchen knives I usually never go beyond the 100/240 stone.

[@stranik1966]

Venev is also a good company, but in order to understand which is better, it is enough to find out the manufacturer, which plant the Kalashnikov concern uses when polishing the barrels of AK-47 assault rifles! So, until February 2022, the Kalashnikov concern (Russia) BUYED GRINDING PASTES FROM PDTools (Ukraine) and not from Venev (although it is a Russian company) - here is a simple, clear answer to you, which of the two companies - PDTools or Venev, is better 🙂

[@malcolmholt2010]

Very good vid. Thx for the work u put into these.

[@toddcarr.]

Looks like another great set of stones to add to the arsenal, would really look into them if i didn't have my sets of Venev stones already. Expensive but will last for a very long time so really not worth it for your average home user unless your either running a sharpening business or chasing perfection in an edge. Thanks for the great vid Jerad and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.

[@tomcat5284]

Appreciate all the great info!

[@wolverinegnr]

So the best is the Hapstone cbn start? Which hapstone would you recommend for a newbie? Thanks

[@stranik1966]

Dear Mr.Jerad, It is possible that the CBN-stone (the abrasive body of the sharpening stone) that Hapstone advertises as his own were made in Ukraine. However, they are ONLY (!) to mountaning and glued the abrasive body of the sharpening stone to an aluminum plates in the city of Sumy (Ukraine, Hapstone), where the Hapstone company is legally registered, AND NOT MAKING IT'S BODY! It's as if I bought a horse, bought a saddle and put it on the horse, and everywhere at Horse's Shows I claimed that it was my horse. Of course, this is your horse, but YOU DIDN’T RAISED IT AND DID NOT EDUCATE IT, so always at the Horse Show, you won’t be able to say that this is my horse - YOU MUST TELL THE HORSE's BREEDER FROM WHOM YOU BUYED THIS HORSE! If I'm wrong, then I don't understand something in this nowadays world, guys 😏. *** The Hapstone company glues the abrasive's bodys (the working body of the sharpening stone) purchased somewhere outside of Sumy city (Hapstone) onto an aluminum plates. Gluing an abrasive block onto aluminum DOES NOT MEAN MAKING the abrasive's body, do you agree? I am not DISCUSSING that Hapstone sells a good or bad product - THIS IS NOT MY BUSINESS and the buyers will decide, ONLY I AM AGAINST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SCAMING THE AMERICAN BUYERS (!), claiming that they make the abrasive body of the sharpening stone - they not! The abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made by PDTools, Kiev Diamond Tools Plant, or, maybe someone else - it doesn’t matter! *** Second, why they mislead the AMERICANS is that their company Hapstone makes CBN-stone in Poltava . I am for EVERYTHING to be honest and clear for consumers in the USA! So, they have to know the truth - the abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made in Poltava and made by PDTools (or other Diamond factory from Ukraine - it's doesn't matter), Hapstone just glued it onto alluminiun blank in Sumy (Ukraine) at the company Hapstone! Let the company be Hapstone, then THEY WRITE THIS IN THEIR ADVERTISING, why mislead the Americans?! Or am I wrong, Mr.Jerad?

[@stranik1966]

Dear Mr. Jerad, You made mistake, Sir, in this video about 3mm aluminum plate for metallic bonded CBN-stones😊. GUYS REMEMBER PDTools factory mounted EVERY THIER CBN and Diamond only to 4mm aluminum plates, ONLY! Attention (!), if the blank is 3mm, YOU bought out-off-market OR fake stones - NOT FROM the factory of PDTools, UKRAINE 🇺🇦

[@Riyame]

I have an authentic PDT stone bought from Gritomatic. It has a 2.87mm aluminum plate and overall thickness of 6.35mm

[@stranik1966]

@@Riyame The thickness of the aluminum substrate of the AUTHENTIC FACTORY CBN-stone, which is produced by the PDTools Superabrasive factory (Ukraine) on the picture of their advertasing booklet is 4 mm (!). I saw this and this is indicated in the factory official booklet! I don’t know what the Gritomatic company sent you, Sir 🤭🤔🤗 ...ask them where and how they made their own "2.87mm aluminum plate and overall thickness of 6.35mm" 😊.

[@Riyame]

@@stranik1966 It came with PDT markings, in a PDT box with their foil stickers and info.

[@Riyame]

@@stranik1966 I downloaded the knife sharpening stone catalog as well. It shows 3mm. Perhaps you were looking in the wrong catalog or are mistaken.

[@Painterrap]

Yeah take a Para 3 in S45VN and sharpen it to 800 grit on a work sharp professional precision adjust. Once complete, run it over 4 different diamond emulsion strops, going from 6 micron, to 3 micron, to 1 micron, and finally 0.5 micron. The edge on that Para 3 will absolutely cut you to the bone if you make a mistake!

[@S4Detroit]

I have been on the fence watching PDT on Ebay. So glad you ended up making a video about the different stones. Still a noob with sharpening but slowly figuring it all out.

[@NeevesKnives]

well i have a ton of videos for you to watch

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

Keep in mind the American vendor on ebay has thicker base plates than the factory Poltava. As hard and flat as these Poltava'a are, I still check angles between every plate swap.

[@S4Detroit]

@NeevesKnives Yeah been watching your channel for a few years now. I have the TSPROF Britz pro with the TSPROF diamond and some Gritomatic diamond. Time to upgrade since my collection keeps getting bigger and bigger with higher HRC steels.

[@S4Detroit]

@JohnDoe-zb7dz Yeah Ebay PDT shows 4mm plates with 3mm grit. I'm not rushing till I learn what is what. If I'm spending 5-600 on stones I want to make sure I know what I'm buying.

[@NeevesKnives]

@S4Detroit as you should. And depending on how much sharpening you are doing getting the 3mm might nor be worth it, the 1.5 lites might be the way to go, put it this way I've had my 2mm resin bonded diamonds for years now and most have barely even started showing wear, smaller stones will burn up faster than large but are still going to last a very long time, also you can mix and match

[@pavelkuzin2847]

Thanks for the information!

[@stranik1966]

🙂Guys, ATTENTION & AHTUNG 🙂 The Hapstone didn't make their own CBN grinding material BECAUSE it's a huge industrial mashinery and technoly needed! They just mounten some grinding material that they bought in Kyiv Diamond Tools factory (Ukraine), or the Poltava Diamond Tools factory, Ukraine (or somewhere ...maybe in Chaina ;-), who knows) ON ALIMINIUM PLATE - THAT'S IT 🙂 and made their Hapstone brand ...well done, what can I say 🤣 Anyway, geographically, they are located in Sumy city, Ukraine, BUT FOR SOME reason on THE ADVERTISING and EVERYWHERE they SAY THAT THEY ARE FROM Poltava city! Why do you think, guys, they do this?! Tell me, guys, who can give me the answer of this trick 🤣

[@NeevesKnives]

they are made in ukrain to my knowledge china does not have any bonded stones, i do have some new ones im testing from same company however made by a new company not pdt

[@stranik1966]

@@NeevesKnives It is possible that the CBN-stone (the abrasive body of the sharpening stone) that Hapstone advertises as his own were made in Ukraine. However, they are ONLY (!) to mountaning and glued the abrasive body of the sharpening stone to an aluminum plates in the city of Sumy (Ukraine, Hapstone), where the Hapstone company is legally registered, AND NOT MAKING IT'S BODY! It's as if I bought a horse, bought a saddle and put it on the horse, and everywhere at horseы Shows I claimed that it was my horse. Of course, this is your horse, but YOU DIDN’T RAISED IT AND DID NOT EDUCATE IT, so always at the Horse Show, you won’t be able to say that this is my horse - YOU MUST TELL THE HORSE's BREEDER FROM WHOM YOU BUYED THIS HORSE! If I'm wrong, then I don't understand something in this world, friends :-). *** The Hapstone company glues the abrasive's bodys (the working body of the sharpening stone) purchased somewhere outside of Sumy city (Hapstone) onto an aluminum substrate. Gluing an abrasive block onto aluminum DOES NOT MEAN MAKING an abrasive block, do you agree? I am not DISCUSSING that Hapstune sells a good or bad product - THIS IS NOT MY BUSINESS and the buyers will decide, ONLY I AM AGAINST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SCAMING THE AMERICAN BUYERS (!), claiming that they make the abrasive body of the sharpening stone - they not! The abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made by PDTools, Kiev Diamond Tools Plant, or, maybe someone else - it doesn’t matter! *** Second, how they mislead the AMERICANS is that their company Hapstone makes CBN-stone in Poltava ;-). I am for EVERYTHING to be honest and clear for consumers in the USA! So, they have to know the truth - the abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made in Poltava and made by PDTools (or other Diamond factory from Ukraine - it's doesn't matter), Hapstone just glued it onto alluminiun blank in Sumy (Ukraine) at the company Hapstone! Let the company be Hapstone, then THEY WRITE THIS IN THEIR ADVERTISING, why mislead the Americans?! Or am I wrong, Mr.Jerad?

[@NeevesKnives]

@@stranik1966 i dont think ive said that hapstone makes there abrasive i believe its pdt that makes it, however i am now working with another company thats stones are not made by pdt. and they are great so far, the pdt ones are also really good but these seem like they could be better possibly but we shall see,. to my knowledge they are made in ukrain but its possible russia has something to do with it im not sure, but the company has been very transparent so i can find out any detailed info

[@stranik1966]

@@NeevesKnives No, you didn’t say ANYTHING about how and where Hapstone “produce” “their” sharpening stone (!) - you are doing the right thing by taking a neutral position - YOU ARE AS AN ARBITER WHO HONESTLY PROVIDES THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF ABRASIVES that the Makers are sent to you for testing, therefore We are watching you, Mr. Jerad! I am indignant that Hapstone on the website of the seller at Gritomatic (which is the official dealer of Hapstone in America) claims that Hapstone is Poltava (Ukraine). BUT THIS IS NOT SO - they are from the city of Sumy, Ukraine! Which of them is doing this - Hapstone asked the American company Gritomatic to lie, or Gritomatic is doing this on its own initiative, BUT IN AMERICA THIS IS CONSIDERED DECEPTION OF THE CONSUMER! They are not honest guys in advertising their products, but I don’t want to argue about the quality of their product - I’m not an expert, but in America YOU NEED TO BE HONEST AND YOU CAN'T LIE AND MISLEAD THE BUYERS about your goods - this is THE USA, friends! STOP TO LIE!! So, in the end: God Bless America !!!

[@NeevesKnives]

@@stranik1966 i was not aware of any of this information but i will def look into it now i appreciate you letting me know. thank you

[@osbaldohernandez9174]

Could you please test out the block knife sharpener

[@BladeLabMiami]

I don't think you can just compare the thickness of different brands of resin bonded stones without also taken into consideration how quickly they wear, which depends on the type of bonding agent used. You can't use a stone to condition metal bonded stones (but it will help clean them). You have to use ferric chloride, or you can use electrolysis, as shown by Knives Switzerland.

[@timursadriev7987]

Never Ever use ferric chloride, or use electrolysis, as shown by Knives Switzerland because the PDTools not recomended it! Only lapping as Mr.Jerad did - carefully check his video out to the end!

[@erich9882]

Where are the USA market 8x3 available?

[@bradensinclair9517]

You should try out super vitrified diamonds stones

[@NeevesKnives]

I hav some coming since this video I have multiple different kinds of bonded stones I’m testing

[@bradensinclair9517]

@@NeevesKnives that's sick, excited to see them

[@markdalton3603]

Have just purchased a TSPROF K03. Can you or any members recommend 6-7 Poltava Premium Metallic CBN Stones to get me on my way. Thanks

[@Jason315NY]

They don’t have the freehand bench stones on there site were do you get them?

[@donttreadonme1423]

What has been your experience with Edge Pro Diamond Matrix stones? They're actually in stock. These PDT metallic cbn stones only have a few options in stock.

[@timursadriev7987]

The Edge Pro Diamond Matrix stones use an electrolysis process to deposit their Diamonds on the plate, which fly out when the "glue" (electrolysis bonds) gets old. PDTools, Ukraine uses copper-tin lava, which is sintered in crucible furnaces under high pressure and extreme temperatures, so you get a monolithic sharpening bar that will sharpen up to 77,000 knives for you . Well, I'm not sure that Edge Pro Diamond Matrix stones can sharpen at least 1,500 knives

[@donttreadonme1423]

@@timursadriev7987 I actually ordered some poltava resin cbn stones from you recently :). Excited to get them in. A lot of people I spoke with preferred the resin bonded cbn for a few reasons. I'm sure I'll end up with many of both eventually. Thanks for the input!

[@michaell397]

@@donttreadonme1423 they sent me a Resin bonded stone and like the edgepro, it a a lot softer than the metallic bonded and likes edge trailing strokes. One has to take great care for the edge not tol dig in if edge leading on them. Biggest reason I don't use edge pro. I like the veneve batter in a resin bonded stone for this reason. but it doesn't compare to a metallic bonded cbn Poltava. I will say the Poltava resin bonded stone is nowhere as soft and fragile as the Edge Pro stone. KnifeMaker

[@timursadriev7987]

CBN stones versa Diamond stones works faster because are “grown” in a laboratory as the artificial’s stone and THIERE edges (facets) of these particles in CBN are MORE correct angles than in Diamond 👆

[@johnwest4492]

Hi Neeves's, Hey love your videos, quick question when finding the apex when stroping how do I find it on sayca really thin blade, like my MK-,RS1 mini I hope I got that right lol any way it's really a thin blade and hard to find the angle, help please 😊😊

[@NeevesKnives]

Lay it flat on strop, then pay attention to the shadow under edge, lift spine until the apex just hits the leather, the worst thing you can do is hold to high of an angle

[@johnwest4492]

@NeevesKnives ok thanks I'll give it a shot 👍

[@S7ORM3X]

would like to see you check out the Aldim CBN stones their 200% concentration stones

[@stranik1966]

Guys, Aldim was dealer PDtools 5 year ago, now they buy diamond from PDTools, mauntened it to aluminium blank AND PRETEND THAT THEY MADE SHRPENING STONE themself ;-). They are hooker and crock , who made they Aldim in garadge, because their base of they sharpening stone is still PDTools!

[@user-hx9qg9le6k]

Будем надеяться что скоро у вас появятся новые российские точильные камни от АЗТА (AZTA) и камни от производителя заточного станка TSPOF Alfa. В последнее время перешел на сет от этих двух производителей. Обдирочная группа АЗТА, а финиш Alfa.

[@josevega3413]

What is the right (dressing stone ) ??

[@54tristin]

I am completely confused! What do purchsse, that would be compatable with a work sharp pro?

[@StoneHands25]

Get the .06.x4in stones

[@user-sg2xj7ps3f]

What kind of stone can you sharpen a ceramic knife with?

[@NeevesKnives]

You want to use very fine diamonds, like 1200 grit and higher

[@vasilralev3921]

I wonder how many knives can you sharpen with the little fixed sharpener stones? CBN or Diamond

[@Riyame]

Depends on the grit, since lower grit stones will take more wear than the higher ones, but as a minimum likely thousands of knives.

[@stranik1966]

77 000 with CBN metal bonded, and 37 000 knives with Diamond resin bonded 🙂

[@Riyame]

@@stranik1966 How did you come up with those numbers?

[@zbigniewbrzezinski8977]

love it!

[@Riyame]

Have you tried lapping the Hapstone CBN stone to see if that brings up the performance?

[@NeevesKnives]

yes i did, but im going to continue to test things out

[@Riyame]

@@NeevesKnives I would be interested to hear the results. I have had a 120 grit Poltava CBN stone for a while now so I just bought a set of Hapstone Premium CBN since a store in Canada is now a dealer so I don't have to deal with massively inflated prices, currency fees, or shipping costs.

[@Riyame]

@@NeevesKnives I just got my Hapstone CBN stones in. It seems they are made differently than the PDT stones. The gray layer on the Hapstones appears to be some kind of release agent, likely graphite or molybdenum. I cleaned it partially off of a single stone so far with alcohol, wanted to get some pictures with the digital microscope before going farther. Having it on the top of the stone means that both sides of the stone were likely molded so the top of the stone is completely flat and any CBN will be pushed in so they will need to be lapped, some fairly heavily to expose a decent layer of abrasives. That is why they don't seem to be cutting at all. My stones feel very smooth, the 400 and up are nearly glass like, with only the occasional abrasive particle able to be felt in the 150 and below This did not need to be done with my PDT stone. Not sure if they do that in the factory, or if they are just not molded on both sides resulting in one side being usable out of the box. Just thought you might want an update and my thoughts on it.

[@stranik1966]

Guys, the HAPSTONE HAS NEVER MADE, DOES NOT, AND WILL NOT MAKE sharpening stones because he does not have the equipment for this!!! They buy these bars either from the Kyiv plant or in China, glue them onto aluminum bars and sell them under the Hapstone brand! They are great, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to say that Hapstone is a manufacturer, they are just good marketers 🙂

[@antonzanker]

What knive are you using in here?

[@NeevesKnives]

This video I used the CIVIVI large button lock elementum

[@user-hn8in8zp9e]

Да, я знаю Хапстоуне, они сами не делают тело заточного бруска, а покупают его где-то на стороне и просто клеют.

[@joemisak7925]

These have been around a long time no?

[@ericwiltse8054]

Will these work in an Edge Pro Apex ?

[@timursadriev7987]

These stones are the Edge Pro Apex standard

[@arercee5528]

Can anyone help me out? I heard from several posts and videos that those cheap $30 6x1 diamond stones work alright. I bought a few and the 240 grit became finer than the 800 grit after 3 knives. Is this normal? I expected the cheap stuff to last longer than that. That being said, I want a 3 stone system (6x1) for cheap, can anyone recommend a set or a type? Maybe a 180, 320 and 600 stone set

[@NeevesKnives]

Cheap diamond plates will wear out fast, but no the coarse ones should last the longest, Get( Atomas ) or( Hapstone Starts ) if you want the best

[@arercee5528]

@@NeevesKnivesthanks, I’ll try out the Atoma stones

[@NeevesKnives]

@arercee5528 👊 they are amazing the 140, 400, 600, 1200 is what they have. Then if you wanna get to a polished edge you would only need a couple bonded stones

[@bobaloo2012]

I notice it's mentioned that the Hapstone parts are from Ukraine, but I didn't hear that the Venev are from Russia. Pretty good stones, but I won't be buying any more because of that.

[@VooDooPoltava]

Yes Venev is a russian manufacture. And PDT manufacture is from Ukraine, city Poltava. Hapstone is from Ukraine city Sumy. Ukrainian manufacture much better 😎

[@stranik1966]

Venev is also a good company, but in order to understand which is better, it is enough to find out the manufacturer, which plant the Kalashnikov concern uses when polishing the barrels of AK-47 assault rifles! So, until February 2022, the Kalashnikov concern (Russia) BUYED GRINDING PASTES FROM PDTools (Ukraine) and not from Venev (although it is a Russian company) - here is a simple, clear answer to you, which of the two companies - PDTools or Venev, is better 🙂 Attentiuon (!):

[@stranik1966]

Hapstone has NEVER MADE AND CAN NOT MAKE SHARPENING WHISTLES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THIS! All they do is buy sharpening stones somewhere, stick them on aluminum and put their trademark, but they are not located in Poltava (!) and HAVE NO RELATION TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE BODY OF GRINDING WHETS!!!

[@michaell397]

@@stranik1966 Yep, on BF I saw the stropping paste from either TS pro or hapstone. Don't remember which. I stated that it looked like Poltava as I have a lot of it here. I was told "NO" it is not. Well, I ran it down and it is indeed Poltava Diamond paste. LOL!!! KnifeMaker

[@Johnkb2059]

What Stone is best for cold steel SRK in 3V

[@NeevesKnives]

diamond of some kind for sure

[@NeevesKnives]

if your tyring freehand then go with a diamond plate from atoma or ultra sharp or dmt, i recently did a video on beginner sharpenign tutorial

[@vladislavjisa]

big talk - short sense - also you make some advertising for Poltava Diamond Factory - all sharpeninmg enthusiasts know that these CBN are much much more expensive than any diamond materials

[@NeevesKnives]

I actually have nothing to do with Pvd whatsoever, I'm testing stones from all different companies that's what I do I'm not sure how many different kinds of bonded diamond stones you have tested but soon I'm pretty sure I would have tested them all and at that point I'm going to determine which ones the most recommended , best value, etc..

[@charliehill8647]

slow down

[@horstelvis83]

Did you check for your statements in your video? One minute: "Resin bonded diamonad stones will wear out very quick when sharpening super steels", next minute "Resin bonded diamond stones still will last a very long time" - Maybe less words per minute and more thinking what you want to tell the audience!

[@robertmunguia250]

Venev 8 by 3 says not in stock?Who has them?

[@NeevesKnives]

Did you check Hapstone? Otherwise you might find them in the NeevesKnives store, but that's what I mean they are becoming harder and harder to find I'm not sure if restocking will happen

[@robertmunguia250]

@@NeevesKnives I found one on eBay through Hapstone seller. 290$ ouch! Have to rethink it. Woodturners has a Cbn stone too.

[@timursadriev7987]

@@robertmunguia250 It is possible that the CBN-stone (the abrasive body of the sharpening stone) that Hapstone advertises as his own were made in Ukraine. However, they are ONLY (!) to mountain and glued the abrasive body of the sharpening aluminum plates in the city of Sumy (Ukraine, Hapstone), where the Hapstone company is legally registered, AND NOT MAKING Its BODY! It's as if I bought a horse, bought a saddle and put it on the horse, and everywhere at Horse's Shows I claimed that it was my horse. Of course, this is your horse, but YOU DIDN’T RAISED IT AND DID NOT EDUCATE IT, so always at the Horse Show, you won’t be able to say that this is my horse - YOU MUST TELL THE HORSE's BREEDER FROM WHOM YOU BUYED THIS HORSE! If I'm wrong, then I don't understand something in this nowadays world, guys.

[@HollywoodEDC]

I just bought a whole set of the PDT Metal Bonded DIamond Stones. I'm sorry, but Diamond cuts better than CBN. And with the Metal Bonded stones, the CBN only comes in 1.5mm layer thickness. While if you buy the METAL BONDED DIAMOND stones, you get 3mm thick layer of diamonds. So use your best judgment to decided which will last longer. (HINT, CBN stones do not last 2x as long as Diamond, which means you get MORE life out of the METAL BONDED DIAMOND stones. However, either way, at the end of the shitty day, BOTH metal bonded stone types will LAST 5 years or LONGER even if you sharping 3 - 5 knives PER week.

[@NeevesKnives]

cbn does last longer than diamond i would have to take what the companies testing shows as i have not done that test, however i have tested diamond plate next to cbn and the cbn last quite a bit longer, if one is more aggressive than another that has to do with the company and the size and amount of abrasive they put in, cbn is more aggressive in that case, diamond is also more aggressive in the same case

[@InsanityInc100]

@ryanlowery9081 the company has decades of experience and confidently reports that their testing shows their CBN stones cut faster than their diamond ones. They claim up to 1.5-2x faster, they seem to have top quality products, and at the very least appear to know what they’re talking about. I’m curious what, in your experience, would make the diamond stones faster? Did you notice a significant difference, or did diamond just slightly edge out CBN in your tests? I’ve never used any of Poltava’s stones (although I’ve been interested in trying them out for a while), but I’m still surprised that user-experience could be so far off from what the company reports

[@michaell397]

@@InsanityInc100 My CBN cuts faster as I have both.

[@michaell397]

You are mistaken Sir. the normal set is 3.46mm. You apparently have the CBN lite which is much thinner. KnifeMaker

[@petervu9773]

my first cbn stone was from spyderco, the quality was garbage

[@timursadriev7987]

In any sharpening stone, the strongest side is the bond (glue) that holds the CBN-stones and keep it durably inside the sharpening stone. Spyderco is good at making knives, but he will never learn how to make a bunch - this should be done by specialists! Such as PDTools (Ukraine), which have been doing this since 1966 in USSR. During this time, they have so many secrets of making bonds (a lot of different glues) that Spyderco will NEVER catch up with them, so let Spyderco better make knives 😂

[@michaell397]

@@timursadriev7987 that and the edge of the Spidy stone is heavily contaminate with globs of grit which really screws up an edge! Sadly, they have given a bad name to CBN for many here in the U.S.. KnifeMaker

[@timursadriev7987]

No. The Hapstone DON’T have their own made the resin factory for Diamond or CBN! They are ONLY re-seller that just give the name to other brand of sharpening stone that they mounted on aluminum blanks 😂

[@paullmight42]

It literally says made in ukraine on the graphic....

[@Riyame]

The company is Poltava in Ukraine. The seller of the stone in the USA is called USA Market.

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

@@Riyame Correct, but the backing plates are thicker.

[@VooDooPoltava]

USA-Market is the only one who ask PDT to produce stones with a blank 4mm and in colour.

[@timursadriev7987]

It is possible that the CBN-stone (the abrasive body of the sharpening stone) that Hapstone advertises as his own were made in Ukraine. However, they are ONLY (!) to mountain and glued the abrasive body of the sharpening aluminum plates in the city of Sumy (Ukraine, Hapstone), where the Hapstone company is legally registered, AND NOT MAKING Its BODY! It's as if I bought a horse, bought a saddle and put it on the horse, and everywhere at Horse's Shows I claimed that it was my horse. Of course, this is your horse, but YOU DIDN’T RAISED IT AND DID NOT EDUCATE IT, so always at the Horse Show, you won’t be able to say that this is my horse - YOU MUST TELL THE HORSE's BREEDER FROM WHOM YOU BUYED THIS HORSE! If I'm wrong, then I don't understand something in this nowadays world, guys.

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

@@timursadriev7987 Poltava, UK (AKA) "European capital of diamond industry", because it hosts numerous manufacturers of diamond tools. Sounds like a rabbit whole. The US market seller on eBay told me he was the only certified seller of genuine Poltava abrasives in the US and warned me about seconds and knock offs. For his market the abrasive is mounted on thicker plates. I have one to compare to the set I bought from Gritomatic. Abrasive looks about the same but the backing plates are thicker.

[@billw1812]

I have a theory. Looking at the specs from both websites I believe that PDT makes the bonded stones for hapstone. Don't look at the grit rating, Look at the micron ratings and the materials used. Both companies are in Ukraine. Hmmmmmmmmmm

[@stranik1966]

Sure! Hapstone has NEVER MADE AND CAN NOT MAKE SHARPENING WHISTLES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THIS! All they do is buy sharpening stones somewhere, stick them on aluminum and put their trademark, but they are not located in Poltava (!) and HAVE NO RELATION TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE BODY OF GRINDING WHETS!!!

[@billw1812]

@stranik1966 I'm loving my Poltava metal bonded Diamond Stones. I have sharpened about a dozen knives with them so far, and they are nice and broken in now. Absolutely amazing stones, 10 out of 10. I would buy again without hesitation. Thanks for the help on them Albert.

[@timursadriev7987]

Dear, Mr.@billw1812 It is possible that the CBN-stone (the abrasive body of the sharpening stone) that Hapstone advertises as his own were made in Ukraine. However, they are ONLY (!) to mountain and glued the abrasive body of the sharpening aluminum plates in the city of Sumy (Ukraine, Hapstone), where the Hapstone company is legally registered, AND NOT MAKING Its BODY! It's as if I bought a horse, bought a saddle and put it on the horse, and everywhere at Horse's Shows I claimed that it was my horse. Of course, this is your horse, but YOU DIDN’T RAISED IT AND DID NOT EDUCATE IT, so always at the Horse Show, you won’t be able to say that this is my horse - YOU MUST TELL THE HORSE's BREEDER FROM WHOM YOU BUYED THIS HORSE! If I'm wrong, then I don't understand something in this nowadays world, guys. * The Hapstone company glues the abrasive's bodys (the working body of the sharpening stone) purchased somewhere outside of Sumy city (Hapstone) onto an aluminum plate. Gluing an abrasive block onto aluminum DOES NOT MEAN MAKING the abrasive's body, do you agree? I am not DISCUSSING that Hapstone sells a good or bad product - THIS is NOT my BUSINESS, and the buyers will decide, ONLY I AM AGAINST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SCAMING THE AMERICAN BUYERS (!), claiming that they make the abrasive body of the sharpening stone - they not! The abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made by PDTools, Kiev Diamond Tools Plant, or maybe someone else - it doesn’t matter! * Second, why they mislead the AMERICANS is that their company Hapstone makes CBN-stone in Poltava. I am for EVERYTHING to be honest and clear for consumers in the USA! So, they have to know the truth - the abrasive body of the sharpening stone are made in Poltava and made by PDTools (or other Diamond factory from Ukraine - it's doesn't matter), Hapstone just glued it onto aluminum blank in Sumy (Ukraine) at the company Hapstone! Let the company be Hapstone, then THEY WRITE THIS IN THEIR ADVERTISING, why mislead the Americans?!

[@southerncouncil4136]

Nah man. Birdie T2 stones are the top of the line. Doesn’t get better than T2 stones.

[@Riyame]

I had a heavily damaged Buck 119 from a family member I needed to profile and grind a few chips out of. Went halfway through a low grit Boride SiC stone. Right after I got a cbn stone for low grit work. My 120 PDT metal bonded CBN has done more work and hasn't even needed to be flattened yet.

[@timursadriev7987]

I thought the same before PDTools CBN-stone

[@ez3333]

😇👍

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

One round worth of cardio from Paddy. Not good enough, Scouser!

[@EDCandLace]

I been screaming it for almost 2 years now! Poltava Met binded cbn is the best stones on the market next to super vitrified diamond.

[@StoneHands25]

Better than venev?

[@michaell397]

@@StoneHands25 Yes!

[@michaell397]

Best resin bonded stone I've used in Nanawa. wish they made 1x6 backed stones for our fixed angle sharpeners. but they still do not cut as well as a Poltava CBN Stone. I have never had the opportunity to try a vitrified Stone. I was tempted by the BBB stones, but no way I'm risking 400 bucks having never seen or tried one! KnifeMaker

[@ez3333]

😇👍