Worlds Collide: Speed or Accuracy - with Rob Leatham and Rob Pincus

[@mpccenturion]

I started shooting NRA 25yd - 22 -slow - timed and rapid. I had shot many bricks of ammo, before I bought my second pistol. A 44Mag. I could shoot a 96 to 98, using either caliber. It is all the same. As they say - management of the hand. And after 40 yrs, it is still fascinating to change courses and re-learn the skills. Thank You!

[@miroslavm2553]

This is the trainer I would love to have to improve my shooting skills. Great points he made, like always.

[@andresu8167]

probably the best handgun lesson ever recorded.

[@retiredboxingref7620]

This video rang my bell. For years I've been focusing on the trigger while limply holding the weapon. I'd slowly squeeze the trigger back and mentally curse how bad and gritty it felt while watching my pistol move. Then getting pissed after dry firing for a month; and seeing no improvement. Thanks sir.

[@Kfx450rider11]

all the negative comnents. I still like watching his videos very intelligent very fast and also accurate. he isn't saying anything about stances etc. he is saying learn how to pull the trigger without moving the gun. that's a very hard task to do. I've been shooting for yrs an I still flinch and move pistol a bit occasionally. very hard to perfect. keep up the awesome vids!

[@shooterqqqq]

Thank you, Rob. I would like to add something else for others. The next step is to make the student SEE the whole sequence. They are taught one shot but then they need to watch the front sight from alignment through the recoil and back to the target or the next. One shot drills can accidentally teach a loose grip after the shot. The grip should remain the same through the draw back to the holster.

[@retiredboxingref7620]

Thanks qqqq

[@POPJack1717]

Good points

[@yaron777]

No instructor ever told me that. thank you!

[@jarinorvanto4301]

Rob Leatham seems to be a great teacher. Very didactic and proficient.

[@Headbangin4Jesus]

Great insight! Thanks for the tips.

[@mikespencer941]

Headbangin4Jesus

[@benzo430]

I like the concept. totally different from what I've been told my whole life.

[@thewheel2023]

my first LE firearm trainer was all over my butt about being too fast and ever since those days of being a good novice shooter, more and more trainers have spent a lot of time telling me about grip site picture blah blah blah I did my last qual. with a young man i trust as a great shooter but again spent so much time directing stance trigger pull site picture. i tried telling him let me shot my way both eyes open and fast. because shooting don't happen in a straight line on dry sunny warm days with three hours of notice and big breakfasts. your simple learn to pull the trigger fast without moving the gun is simple great advise Thanks bunches and bunches. now i cant wait to get back to the range after some dry fire practice.

[@jamiesloan5902]

It's refreshing to hear the TRUTH. Great video. I get so sick of hearing the phrase "just slowly squeeeeeeze the trigger". Or, "It should be a slow, steady pressure, and the break should surprise you". Like Rob said, you learn how to isolate your trigger finger, without moving your other fingers, or gripping the gun a little extra tight right before the shot breaks. There's really only ONE skill required, for shooting a gun. Here it is... Learn how to break the shot, without changing your sight picture. THAT'S IT!!!!!! Of course the grip, and anticipating the shot, are the 2 main reasons that people can't do it. Physically, shooting a gun well is easier than clipping your nails. But, MENTALLY, it's a LOT harder. If everybody pulled the trigger as if the gun was empty(dry firing), then EVERYBODY would shoot 2" groups from 10 yards. So... If you aren't shooting 2" groups, from 10 yards, then you are doing "something" to prepare yourself for the BANG. You gotta get over that, to be a good shooter. Period.

[@moostangvert]

Rob is a national treasure. I'd love to train with him.

[@strider8933]

Simply cannot argue with that. The end.

[@pterodactylptroll]

That's awesome. Great instruction

[@lsporter88]

Yup. That's the secret. Great Video.

[@AdventInnovative]

I love this guy

[@kristiangustafson4130]

Great stuff.

[@paranrs]

Thank you! Because of this video I finally figured out how to correct my rapid shot firing techniques. Now I just need to practice. 🙂

[@IndependenceTraining]

Glad that it helped you figure out what corrections were needed! Keep at it!

[@ny6u]

In a nutshell: Pull the trigger quickly without moving the gun.

[@EsyuDach]

there's also a 'recognition interval'. You first have to recognize that something is a threat that you have to shoot., THEN you have to send the signal to your hand that fires your gun. The threat might not be something that you're aimed in at, or even looking towards.. You can just forget about hitting fully exposed men at more than 25m, (at all) when you have no ear protection! :-) You can forget about reliably hitting their vitals at more than 15m, or their cover using head at move than 5m. It's not going to happen. you need to be instead, moving laterally to cover, or at least, going to supine/fetal, so that fragments of bullets/pavement are not as likely to hit you in the face. Get your wrists/hands between your knees for the stability you'll need to get hits at more than 15m. . If you doubt me, run a Bill drill both with and without ear protection and SEE the results. Those blasts ARE hurting your ears, whether or not you consciously 'hear' them and flinching is a SUBCONSCIOUS reaction to pain.

[@fproszek]

I practice picking gun off bench, point from chest high. and jerk trigger in one motion. That's probably how a real life attack is going down. guns are sold accurate, forget the bullseyes and jerk the rounds anywhere in the body target.

[@trottheblackdog]

If you can get the gun to chest high, you can get it up to your sightline. Remember, every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

[@jamiesloan5902]

frank frank That's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. So, just spray and pray huh? Wrong. If you shoot someone in the stomach, they can still attack you for another hour. lol You better be able to hit the heart, and lungs. Or, even better... The brain stem. Basically shoot them in the face, through the nose, and eye sockets. You gotta turn the lights out. Not just inflict a flesh wound "anywhere on the body". C'mon mannnn...

[@cz1always608]

With a 43/shield/xd You have to grip it as tight as you can . If you go back and forth with a full size and a compact you will see right away the difference in what you can hit even at 3 yards. What he is saying is thats the only way to shoot a compact gun in my experience ... and only benefits. you more if you shoot like that on a regular basis....

[@Paladin1873]

The underlying reason for the missed shot cannot be fully addressed in such a short video. People jerk or flinch because they anticipate the recoil, much as one anticipates the shock they know will come when they touch a door knob after walking across a carpet in wool socks. Mentally, they are trying to compensate for any recoil by pushing the firearm down just before they compete the firing cycle. Left untreated, this issue will quickly evolve into a conditioned physical response, which is a very hard habit to break. Every person I have ever trained, including instructors, has exhibited this tendency, as do I. Even gun writers are not immune (I know, it seems impossible). Constant practice and familiarization with any given firearm can help overcome flinching, but only if it is combined with a proper focus on the fundamental shooting techniques. Since the shooter controls his own trigger finger, it's natural for him to anticipate each shot. Therefore, I watch the student's finger, and if I see hesitation or constant fore-and-aft movement before firing, I know he is waiting for the sights to float back onto the target, at which point he will try to snap off a shot. I correct this by taking his attention away from the trigger finger and focusing it instead on grip, front sight, and follow-through. No matter how good a shooter becomes, if his game is off for any reason (not focused, gritty and heavy trigger, unfamiliar firearm), it's a good bet that going back to basics will soon locate and correct the problem. Poor grip, bad trigger control, and lack of follow-through appear to be the most common issues in handgun training. When all other factors have been eliminated, greater focus on improving these three techniques is the best way I know to counter flinching.

[@keith6234]

He says concentrating on not moving the gun as you pull the trigger but my question is what technique or training method do you use to accomplish it. Can someone post a link to his videos that show that training. My other thought is how do you keep from flinching and blinking in a real self defense situation without hearing protection or with someone shooting at you from close range ?

[@EsyuDach]

you dont. You either get lucky with one shot, or you fire several shots, as fast as you can control them and hope for the best. If your ammo is adequately powerful/shocking, any decent hit will be able to make him miss YOU, even if it's not stopping his actions completely. I recommend 10mm Liberty Arms solid copper hp, 60 grs at 2300 fps if you bother with a belt gun. 700 ft lbs, no exit wound. adequate penetration, less recoil than .45 ball ammo. Animal tests prove it to be wildly effective.. I prefer the twice as fast "hand in pocket' draw, with a 16 oz, 6" 9mm, with Liberty Arrms 50 gr 2000 fps load. 450 ft lbs, no more recoil than a hot 380 load. Most attacks are not made with a gun. when they see your gun pointed at them, they flee. This saves you a year of wasted life in courtrooms, 50-500k wasted on legal bs, and maybe 20 years in prison.

[@BradySzabo]

I'd love to see you hit something with my S&W Bodyguard single action .380 I am ready to throw it in the garbage, my range officer is great, my sig is great. but I am gonna try what you just showed us on this video. Its a single action 9 lb trigger with a very long pull. I think I move my wrist when i get to the end of the pull. longest trigger pull ever.

[@nathankrassow3007]

Brady Szabo My Dad bought that gun for concealed carry I made him not use it for those exact reasons.

[@troytruong8246]

Brady Szabo the sw bodyguard has long and poor trigger! Its not a good gun. Get the kahr cw380, sig p238, or glock 42. Im using the glock 42. Its a good shooter.

[@bludmakesgrassgrow]

More like 12 pound trigger lol. Buy a G42, G43, or P238 like Nathan suggested. I carry a G42 daily and can make hits out past 50 yards with it, in stock form.

[@BradySzabo]

bludmakesgrassgrow That's impressive, and since I am new to using handguns,I truly appreciate the advice. A friend mentioned 2 of the Glocks. I just transferred the S&W to a friend for free, after I made sure he shot it and wanted it. I purchased a P938 o the same day s the bodyguard.The P98 was for me and the Bodyguard was for my wife, but she does not want to carry. The P238 is nice. I like the 238 and the P938 because they have hammers and I am used to that from my rifles.

[@logansmith4215]

that's a gun that is meant to not be fired "by accident" and is only mentioned to shoot at most, 10 yards away. you're expecting a bit too much out of a snub nose pocket pistol. shoot even a small frame glock and you'll fall in love

[@strider8933]

I SO wish other instructors would follow this.

[@eenormus1688]

Robie is on target even when hes trying to be off target. Lol! #thebest

[@ke3552]

Pleasantly surprised that half of the billing was absent.

[@EsyuDach]

get$300 of airsoft copy of your ccw pistol, alpha precision wrist band timer, propane bottle and filling adapter, pellets and you can cut your ccw draw in half, safely, in a storage unit, back yard, etc.

[@EsyuDach]

since it's usually 10 ft, you usually dont have to fire, and it's usually just one guy, who doesn't have a gun or if he does, wants nothing to do with you and YOUR gun, very little of this means diddly. When I start "hand in pocket". I can react, draw and hit a man at 10 ft in .75 second. The reaction time is .20 second. I can do so as I side step. This means that I can "beat the drop". and no other ccw rig/draw offers that kind of speed. Simply keep your hands in your pockets when you 'smell a rat". There's nothing 'menacing" about that. In winter time, velcro tabs in pockets and on the rig let you choose to have the gun in your coat pocket. Same .45 second second physical move to the shot. NOT fighting to get thru TWO garments to get at a belt gun.

[@monzon529]

nice video cool shirt rob.

[@jamiesloan5902]

I've been reading these comments, and just shaking my head..... The dumbing down of America is a REAL THING. Wow. Most people that watched this video, DO NOT understand the concept behind it. Hell, they don't even know what the word "concept" means. LMAO

[@christophertitanium8424]

Where's Rob Pincus?

[@IndependenceTraining]

In the video? He's not there. Just Glen and Rob Leatham in this one.

[@blacksoulrebelx6566]

but doesn't the caliber of the weapon factor in? a 40 caliber Smith & Wesson M&P is going to be harder to not move then let's say a nine mil Beretta... if you're an average size average hand size person how would you be able to absorb the Recoil from from a 40 cal without moving the gun at all?

[@inkyklr]

This was not a lesson on dealing with recoil after the shot. The movement discussed here is the movement of the hand and gun as the trigger is squeezed and before the round is actually fired.

[@blacksoulrebelx6566]

Michael Hardy I see so what your saying is application sold separately...I mean controlling the weapon before the first initial shot is important i understand but even with that done doesn't the recoil still factor in based on the weapons caliber once one actually applies this methodology in reality of actually shooting the weapon? Not moving the weapon when not firing is one thing how does this apply to to actual average shooter who's actually shooting something bigger than lets say a .22 or 9mm?

[@inkyklr]

After the shot, (generally) yes a larger caliber is going to have more recoil, and more movement, which must be handled to get the sights lined up for the next shot. Once the gun is done recoiling, and you are aimed and ready for the next shot, the process starts over, no matter how many shots you fire. You still must be able to press the trigger without moving the gun and throwing off the shot. And in that moment when you are on target and are pressing the trigger, it doesn't matter what gun you are shooting.

[@MylesKillis]

The hardest part of shooting is by far trigger control

[@jamiesloan5902]

Myles No it isn't. Then, how come EVERYBODY can dry fire 1,000 times in a row, without the sights ever moving, but when they're shooting live ammo, they shoot 12" groups. The number one problem with shooting a gun is people worrying about the BANG. Think about it... Nobody, and I mean nobody ever moves their sight picture when dry firing. It's a very, very simple thing to do. So... Realistically they should be able to do it with live rounds. What's the difference??????? You guessed it...They are doing "something" to prepare themselves for that horrible, scary BANG, right before the shot breaks. So........ The number problem is NOT trigger control. It's shot anticipation. Period.

[@andreandrad3575]

Jamie Sloan will range time fade that away after time? just getting used to the bang?

[@Fb17z]

@@andreandrad3575 yeah that s how it works

[@doctorcaptainalex]

@@jamiesloan5902 disagree.

[@rise-amorph8178]

I'm not trying to start a war I think you're this channels are good Channel

[@EsyuDach]

in reality, it will be sub 1.5 second, sub 5m and sub 3 enemies, or you'lll need cover, or a LOT of luck to survive it. The longer ranges, increased times and more than 2 enemies (who want to keep fighting with you) are bs. They are fun to play with, but you'll need a LOT of luck to not get shot.

[@indy1698]

Why does this say With Rob Pincus? Anyway you look at it, that is not Rob Pincus

[@rawmail102171]

Stunt double

[@rickbice2235]

Brady,My Sig Sauer P938 is very accurate at 25 yards. It is a very solid gun. It is capable of hitting what your aiming at out to 50 yards, however that's not usually needed as a concealed carry gun. If something bigger is what you want, I bought a Springfield XD Mod. 2 5" Tactical and added a vortex venom red dot. The trigger is double action but feels about 5 lbs. It has a grip safety so no manual safety to turn off before firing. Consistently shoots moa at 100 yards. Has 16 + 1 of 9 mm. This is one awesome gun, and you don't have to pull the trigger to tear down to clean(Glocks #1 reason for accidental discharges)

[@stuffilike923]

XD pistols are not double action. they have a fully cocked sear.

[@glbshooter]

👏👏👏

[@michaelsabella5924]

Your points are only valid for close quarters. in the military I shot at 500yrds, jerking the trigger would never work this depends on the threat as well .. Great points here, thanks

[@emersonranara9124]

michael sabella In the case of pistol shooting, close quarters is almost always the case.

[@DemonDragonGD]

Why would he start off aready aiming then from low ready or from the hoister if you trying to measure accuracy.

[@saab9251]

Because it doesn't matter where you aim of your problem is pulling the gun while pulling the trigger.

[@rik4369]

He is focusing in on the " trigger control" aspect of shooting fast. It is only one component of the entire PROCESS. He covers the draw, sight alignment and recoil control in other videos. We should be thankful to these professionals for sharing their skills with all of us.

[@trottheblackdog]

He wasn't measuring accuracy.

[@jamiesloan5902]

robert wade I've saw several comments like yours. Wow!!!! Are you people that dumb!!??? He's doing this to prove a point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's showing that the "magic" isn't in the reaction time. And, also showing that pulling the trigger FAST will not make you miss, if you know what you're doing. Jeez. It blows my mind how dumb this country has become. It's really scary.

[@griffyrule6553]

So how do you teach someone to pull the trigger without moving the pistol?

[@leaddispenser9]

Griffin Rule that individual needs to draw, a lot. and. dryfire with a bullet on top of the slide. pull the trigger without it falling. start slow then go fast

[@btruckno1]

same way you get to carnegie hall, practice, practice, practice

[@griffyrule6553]

btruckno1 I do, 750 to 1250 rounds a month and dry fire everyday lol but my girlfriend is a casual shooter and struggles with anticipation. It's a hard thing to fix, I'd be interested in some coaching techniques lol

[@bugmanmd1576]

yup. You can't do it by just shooting at the range. Shooting once a week 200 rounds isn't enough. You'll learn it by dry firing at home - because you can do this for an hour every night while watching TV. Just practice pulling trigger over and over without moving the muzzle at all - a cartridge on the slide is a good trick, and another great way to do this is by using a laser cartridge - practice until every shot makes a laser DOT on the wall, instead of a circle or a squiggle.

[@LazyHorse_]

Keeping the background in mind, I think a quick shot for a flinch sets you up for the next accurate shots. And it depends on the situation. If you don’t want to destroy the background then accuracy is all that matters. also, study how you normally react to an emergency. It matters.

[@jaymass1178]

Fast is fine, accuracy is final. Wyatt Earp

[@EsyuDach]

says a guy who survived by pure LUCK, several times.

[@jaymass1178]

@EsyuDach Isn't that what it is in about every gun fight?

[@EsyuDach]

@@jaymass1178 yes, but most attacks are ot made with a gun. so it's closer and faster, most of the time and most of the time, just the sight of your gun pointed at them makes them flee. People know that they are not fast enough, but they dont want to spend the money and time to get faster. all it takes, really is an airsoft copy of their ccw pistol

[@EsyuDach]

Jim Cirillo shot 13 men in NYC stakeouts, double teamed another 6 with his partner, watched his partner shoot 5 more. When I shot with him, his El presidente time with a 1911. 10+ seconds, and many of his hits were poor.. he ambushed armed robbers in harlem liquorr stores in the 60's and they never had a chance, basically. I was shooting with him at the Columbia Coinference in 1976, where we set up the rules for the IPSC his shooting skills were mediocre, up close and fast. he was very accurate with his PPC gear, but that's VERY slow shooting. everyone practices too slow, at too long a distance. What matters is 10 ft and one second. any longer and the guy will be all over you, or youll be shot, etc.

[@007MrAzza]

Did he just say "cara-bean" ? "car-beans"? Lol

[@kennygutten1]

nasty sound with headset, changes ears...

[@tylersmom09420]

Kenny Johnsen I need I will

[@rise-amorph8178]

Why don't you start like everyone else with your gun holster

[@bldlightpainting]

Rob has learned trigger control, but now even more importantly he needs to learn food control, nutrition, and daily exercise for good health.

[@carollshuey7343]

Yes... he has no muscle memory or strength. If you hold the firearm correctly, you can shoot, and have virtually no recoil and rapid fire your entire clip in seconds and maintain complete control. In ITC, we trained intensively that accuracy is the foundation, and speed is easier to build as accuracy increases. This is learned at the Marine Special Operation School. 9 months of intense training as a CSO with a multitude of firearm training as a critical component, focusing on accurcy, and getting the round where it needs to be, when it needs to be there. It's easy to teach his elementary and contradictory, and flat out negligent skills when you a stack of Valentines Day Hearts. I know all you civs are scratching your heads.

[@carollshuey7343]

The only peace officers i know that can shoot and use the correct tactics are veterans. I've seen State Troopers neglect to seek cover while unholstering and assuming a firing position. We Marines do both while firing and maintaining accuracy whether for suppression or a incapacitating round. both require accuracy, speed, and not a firing range stance. Peace officers do not receive accurate training and rookie veterans are far superior to active shooter trainers. You start discharging and aiming immediately when a threat presents. Thus.. a hit to any body part is a kill as you have taken supremacy of the situation. It is intensely painful to be shot, even when taking it to plate armor, it will knock you ass. Bullet proof vests are easy to penetrate if you know how to work em, hit em twice in one second with the rounds within 1" and they are going down. Penetrated can happen with the well placed shot. I've seen veterans put the plates in backwards..and forget the trauma pad. They are like all body armor.. resistant, not proof.

[@intrepidgator]

right, like you could ever outrun or out highjump or out muscle william the fridge perry? i've seen men that look like him in life or death situations that can move like world class athletes. you're just a jealous girl.

[@TheAsheybabe89]

"We marines " haha Rob is a world class shooter that likely no more than a handful of marines or soldiers in history have approached the skill level of. Being skinny isn't exactly a requirement to be a skilled shorter. I challenge you to post a video of your favorite SoG, Marsoc, etc shooter and their split times/accuracy in comparison to some soft civie like Rob, or Jerry Miculek. A great comparison is a semi truck driver compared to a race car driver. Just because the truck driver has a lot of time behind the wheel doesn't mean he will ever have a chance of approaching the skill of a Jeff Gordon or formula one champ. There is a reason why military/ le "muh training "types generally get smoked by fat grandpas in virtually every type of competitive shooting known to man.

[@trottheblackdog]

If you are truly former MARSOC, you know that only special operations does any kind of serious training on the pistol. Military training mostly focuses on rifle and crew served.

[@Chance57]

How much could he know? he's got a garbage apple watch.

[@ronandt9913]

What?

[@davidl7006]

RonandT dont mind retarded people. Theres alot of them

[@Chance57]

David L yeah. They buy Apple watches 😂

[@Chance57]

David L *a lot *don't *There's

[@ronandt9913]

Fucking stupid millennials.

[@rise-amorph8178]

Who starts out with their gun aimed at the head with their finger on the trigger for any kind of practice

[@trottheblackdog]

Gotta isolate all the different skills to put it all together.

[@tims708]

He's checking reaction time..making a point.

[@paranrs]

I think you are missing the point of the lesson.

[@Dascrane]

Mr. Wright 1981 Cops at a felony stop ? Yes.

[@mandf8554]

That’s actually pathetic joe Teti can shot an accurate shot from leg holster and did it .6 this is holding the gun ready and still 1.5 now 1.5 is ok when holstered

[@jamiesloan5902]

Duck Supremacy LOL. Thanks for clearing that up for him. He's obviously not very good with numbers, and decimal points. PATHETIC, he said. LMAO I can't believe he actually thought one and a half seconds went by. Wow!!!!!

[@rise-amorph8178]

Instructor zero own you

[@rise-amorph8178]

No offense But it shouldn't hurt your feelings if someone happens to mention someone elses name. How old are we

[@jamiesloan5902]

Mr. Wright 1981 Wow. You're a dumb one, ain't ya? He did that to prove a point... I was gonna explain, but never mind. You wouldn't get it. lol

[@Seminoles82100]

Taking instruction from a man who doesnt take his physical fitness seriously tells me he doesnt take gunfighting (not 3 gun bullshit) seriously.

[@intrepidgator]

moron thou art.

[@jhanks2012]

I'm curious if you said that because of his gut? because there are dudes in IMPECCABLE shape that have a little gut like that. Plus he's not fat. it's a thin layer of fat around ab muscles. You can tell this dude has a SOLID core which is the foundation of physical fitness.

[@DRUCO316]

Mike Braun stop listing to Joe Rogan so much.

[@Shrike200]

Hilariously, I was watching that guy from T-Rex Arms (Lucas Botkin?) who is lightning fast, and so many of the comments were that 'he needs to put on some muscle mass' (he's very thin). Just can't win I guess..... I watch these video's for tips and different takes on shooting technique and concepts of instruction. If I wanted physical fitness ed, I could watch something on that then.....IMHO.

[@ronandt9913]

Please share some of your "gun-fighting" knowledge with us. Please post some vids, I love to learn. It sounds like watching a master shoot brought some of your insecurities to the forefront. Perhaps you might spend a little less time in the gym-rat scene and more time at the range. I have shot a few Nationals with Rob and he is an excellent shooter.