Speed vs. Accuracy: Gun Guys with Bill Wilson & Ken Hackathorn - Ep. 14

[@guy1704]

Train for accuracy and speed will come naturally.

[@stevecarroll6470]

Wyatt Earp also said, I think in the same interview Ken mentioned, "accuracy is everything so take your time.......quickly."

[@700Strat]

Uncle Jeff always said " You can't miss fast enough to catch up" He was correct then and it's still true now.

[@timrobinson6573]

I don't know your Uncle Jeff

[@gordongekko4752]

1. "Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry." -- Wyatt Earp 2. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Accuracy first, speed later. Speed will come naturally with proficency.

[@conservitiveboomer8229]

Speed and accuracy are EQUALY important. After a local incident where a squad of police fired 69 rounds at a single perpetrator at 30 feet and only hit him twice, it was suggested to the police chief that the officers spend some mandatory training time.

[@roykiefer7713]

@James Pickens: It’s not terribly unusual to read about incidents, such as the one you’ve described. This has caused me often to wonder whether a correlation exists between ultra high-capacity autoloaders (as service sidearms) and flagrant LEO misses. When the cop’s “wonder nine” has a 15, 16, 17 (or even greater) round capacity, precisely placed shots simply may not seem to be as crucial as they did a generation (and more) age, when the LEOs was generally packing a five or six round .38 Special or .357 magnum revolver. The phrase “spray and pray” didn’t become commonly known without reason. Obviously, the significant problem that results is those high-velocity rounds go “downrange” and innocents can be hit. I’m certainly not advocating a return to the era of revolver-dominated service weapons (although, I’ll forever be wheel-gunner), but I’d certainly favor a return to an environment where most officers were gun-centric, having real expertise and considerable marksmanship skills. Currently, I get the feeling that many LEOs use their service sidearm only for periodic re-qualification, which just may place law abiding citizens at risk.

[@chrisoffutt8968]

Clint Smith has a video on this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXSyeJuflrxoiaM

[@bradslone8511]

I have friends that have been cops for 15-20 years and I can shoot more accurate than they can and it's because they don't spend much time on the range and so it effects their ability to shoot well.

[@montanamountainmen6104]

@@bradslone8511 I know some agencies only make the officers qualify 1 time a year. I knew a lady that only fired 100 rounds a year thru her service pistol, lets just say on a very bad day with a hangover I was 100 times more accurate than she was.

[@RWong-wn3pv]

Need more training? Really you think? It makes one wonder why no one got any closer?

[@NK-rs2jp]

I have been following these guys for decades this stuff never gets old

[@sergionatali3071]

To me these two people are like two monuments, two real icons. Chapeau.

[@johnlacasse8893]

Real life requires accuracy, quickly, but accuracy is necessary. I was trained to practice perfection, speed is acquired through repetition of perfection...

[@shooterqqqq]

My history of handguns mirrors Mr. Wilson's and I really wish I could hang out with you two. Quiet, unassuming and masters at their craft. Thank you so much for everything. I used to say that John Browning designed my pistol, Brian Enos taught me how to shoot, Rob Leatham showed me what was possible, Mike Dillon allowed me to shoot. I use nothing but Wilson Magazines.

[@NHlocal]

Thank you Bill and Ken for sharing your insights and experiences on this subject. Be safe! Randy

[@sergionatali3071]

They are both a wealth of knowledge.

[@UnityMotorSportsGarage]

I want to thank you guys for sharing your thoughts and vast knowledge!!! I just purchased my first ever Wilson Combat Product.. 2 Ten Rd. 1911 magazines and a checkered mainspring housing... The quality is second to none!

[@RunD.Ones1s]

I love how Ken’s picture makes him look all mean but in reality he’s super pleasant and upbeat

[@danielgarland9391]

Jerry miceluk even says accuracy comes first

[@revearpthepackinpreacher8422]

Wyatt Earp had the experience to back up what he said. And so do these guys. Appreciate the video!

[@jamesporter2431]

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast!

[@johnhughes2043]

Anyone NOT listening to what Bill, Hack & Mas have to say are missing the boat. Their experience would be impossible for one person to accumulate on their own. Sage and honest advice anyone can benefit from. And yes, Leatham? Not even human! Just watch him shoot. A true GOAT. Tiger Woods of the handgun sport.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Another good video. I am old school....very much appreciate the collective knowledge and wisdom.

[@tommyj7087]

Just starting out in competition and the adrenaline dump from that buzzer makes me think I one of you guys and I can't help but try to go fast. I am slowly reining in that tendency and getting more accurate shots. The 1 second rule in IDPA has certainly helped. Great discussion!

[@mikeb.2925]

Consistency above all else. If you can be consistent, everything else will follow.

[@Oldhogleg]

The version I've used for people was that they practice at twice the maximum range they plan on being effective up to, compensating for the fact that their effective range will be cut in half in the stress of a real gun fight. So in a sense you're recommending to practice with targets half the size of what you intend to shoot at in a gun fight to compensate for your effectiveness to be cut in half with groups becoming twice as large.

[@gregggibson3109]

I’m an 11 year veteran of IDPA and I agree with Bill 100% regarding this sport, 2 seconds should be the penalty for a miss to dose the sport with some reality. Even at a one second penalty for missed zero down hits, it’s simply not enough to slow the speed demons down. Speed in today’s competition in still king.

[@larrypesek8818]

Bottom line is - Practice, Practice, Practice.

[@jacklewis3444]

Both are obviously important

[@flaco5581]

Best one I've seen so far... thank you

[@bradslone8511]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not very fast but I hit the target where I want to almost every time. No person is perfect so like everyone else I still make mistakes but most of the time I'm missing when I'm trying to shoot fast.

[@shaneworden5095]

Love it!!! Keep it up guys. Mr Wilson I have all of your parts for my 92f and absolutely love it. Thank you.

[@thinman8621]

More good stuff. Thanks

[@gt3117]

Great insight gentlemen.

[@jimhartzell5092]

Always Enjoy !!

[@johnnypipe]

More good stuff, guys. Keep making these videos.

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

Super Deal. Never want to be in a situation where I have to "Dispatch", deal w/ an "Over penetration" error. Hard thinking,yes! These 2 Icons help make decisions more solid. For Ever grateful.🎩 be safe 🦊

[@cjcutter1571]

Quality stuff!

[@erikm.4153]

👍👍👍👍👍 This video needed more than one thumbs up. 😁

[@DonTruman]

I presume a factor in this, in the case of a shootout, might be allowing the other guy to take the first shot, counting on him missing, while you line up better. Nerves of steel.

[@richardkramer1094]

Accuracy has always been king. The key to accuracy is to find a gun that fits your hand.

[@wilk128]

Do you want to make noise? Or put rounds on target?

[@petesheppard1709]

Wasn't it Earp who said, "Take your time, FAST"?

[@michaelnolan6054]

"Take your time in a hurry."

[@montanamountainmen6104]

John Wayne in the Shootist said, " Speed is nice but accuracy is better."

[@toddryan0108]

Fast is fine, but accuracy is final- Wyatt Earp

[@ViktoriousDead]

When people say things in absolute it makes me very skeptical. Saying "accuracy ALWAYS beats speed." Is that really true? If, God forbid, you get in a gun battle with someone and they happen to get a non lethal hit off FIRST, your accuracy is going to be severely thrown of by being shot first. Not saying speed always wins, but being absolute about something is a good way to get killed.

[@nicktaylor5952]

You can't shoot fast enough to defend yourself if they're all misses. Accuracy is always more important. Even in your example it doesn't matter if you got the first shot off if you missed. Roy Jones Jr was fast as lightning but if he missed with his punches would it matter?

[@timrobinson6573]

Accuracy is great if you're fast enough to matter

[@700Strat]

And Bobs your uncle...

[@rickpadgett405]

Acquire sight picture, hold, pull trigger.The simplest thing in the World but most difficult in pistol shooting.Ironic!!!

[@frasiercrane5415]

Hackathorn is the coolest guy alive.

[@jacksmith8002]

Wow, in first, I love these guys

[@thegoodfooddude7395]

With everything there is no absolute definition of what you have to do when it comes down to it. The end result we all strive for is to make it home everyday. In the real world you wont get a perfect draw to first shot more than likely. You wont have a timer that makes a noise to let you know when IT IS ON. The person that is trying to do harm to you is a lot more dangerous than the paper targets you practice on.....that person will hit you shoot you stab you and try to take away your ability to defend yourself or stop him. In the end you have to be fast and accurate, but I think we should all make sure we are vigilant and aware at all times, awareness can give you the extra few critical seconds you need to make up for a lack of speed or to put you that much further ahead than your aggressor if you are really fast. The common misconception people have about self defense is they will see it coming. Criminals are ambush predators meaning they want to get the jump on you and catch you unaware and the only way to beat that predator is to be aware they are out there and make sure you see them coming.

[@MrJlpzjr]

Ken, what holster do you use?

[@richardtouch4893]

I'm not Ken, but I know that most of the time his 1911 holster is a Milt Sparks 1AT-RT.

[@MCMXI1]

Good vid as always gents. I suppose it's implied, but fast from the holster = more time on target for accuracy. So speed, at a certain point, is critical. Exactly like a "hole shot" win in drag racing: "a victory in which a driver runs a slower elapsed time (E.T.), but wins the race due to a faster reaction time at the start"

[@AGC828]

Ummm...SPeed vs Accuracy...I think depends on the situation. Are we shooting for sport or are we in a gunfight for real.?? Sport? Accuracy is more important. In real life..speed. Getting 2" groupings or being able to put 2 between the eyes of a moving target isn't important. Engagement distances are so much shorter too...as long as we point in the right direction...should land some shots to do the job..

[@patrickgjorven7832]

Accuracy gets the deer. Speed spooks the deer.

[@Awesome_1789]

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