Did Patton really say "We fought the wrong enemy" -

[@WorldWarTwo]

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[@rocko7711]

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[@3wolfsdown702]

He did say it' and that's one of the reasons why he was killed because kept insisting on it.. and jealous McCarthy hated him

[@craigoliver8712]

Patton is just your typical American, ignorant on most counts

[@shawnr771]

​@@3wolfsdown702McCarthy wasnt even in office until 2 years after he died.

[@3wolfsdown702]

@shawnr771 😆 Douglas McCarthy was the chief of staff of military, and the supreme commander of the allies over Russia and the rest. That's why him and General Patton didn't get along because Patton wanted to finish the job/ Russia, SO American wouldn't have to worry about them in the future..

[@birgaripadam7112]

In short, " we don't know if he did say it, but he would say it"

[@Commander_Rane]

@@birgaripadam7112 Sure. If we don’t have evidence he actually said something, of course we can accurately assume he would say it…

[@dr.booper_4303]

Lmfao

[@redacted8109]

@@Commander_RaneDid you watch the video?

[@HiroProtag]

“For understandable reasons”

[@Commander_Rane]

@@redacted8109 Yes… still pointing out how we presume things about reputations people are no longer alive to defend themself. Evaluate people’s deeds, not words.

[@teathpaste3301]

I think his reputation and legacy as a leader/general would be very different today if he didn’t die so early.

[@JorgeGonzalez-nz5pf]

Assassinated*

[@fuoco1365]

Can only imagine his views on the Korean War

[@oni2662]

​@@JorgeGonzalez-nz5pf no proofs

[@looinrims]

I mean you can think that but there’s no evidence to support it

[@oni2662]

I don't know if 60 years old was early

[@RichardSaurus]

No doubt that Patton would have loved for war to have broken out between the US & The Soviet Union. That’s one heck of a “what if.”

[@PsychopathicV2]

There’s actually a few books that are “what ifs”. One was about the Soviets and American going to war. Ended with Soviet defeat and Germany being re armed to fight alongside America. Another one was about Japan taking Hawaii right after the attack at Pearl Harbor. Interesting reads but they’re not “serious” books. More just an author who thought it would be an interesting story to have fun with.

[@KeithHays-ek4vr]

​@@PsychopathicV2 - Interesting to note that since WW2, The US and Russia have been involved in multiple proxy wars, NATO has expanded from West Germany, almost to the Russian border, Germany has been rearmed, and Japan is in the process of rearming.

[@ismaelnehme379]

I hate to be that guy, but a war between the USSR and America right after WW2 just wasn't going to happen. You had a few warhawks pushing for it, but everyone was sick of the war and both America and the USSR were absolutely swimming in debt by the end of the war (total war is obscenely expensive) it just wasn't realistically going to happen. But it's a fun scenario tho

[@Riceball01]

@@KeithHays-ek4vr Japan isn't in the process of rearming and haven't been for decades, they have rearmed. They make their own tanks and ships and have beenb working on making their own first rate fighters. It's jsut their military is relatively small and technically a self-defense force with little offesnsive capability, but they are hardly disarmed.

[@aslan_kz_97]

​@@PsychopathicV2Robert Conroy?

[@christophernewton8474]

One of the most complicated ways of saying "yes" that I have heard.

[@marianotorrespico2975]

--- YOU SEE, IT IS TRICKY TO ARGUE AGAINST [whatever] . . . without betraying yerself as the villain.

[@KingSlat730]

more so of displaying the evidence so we could put that shyt together. I respect em as a General but as a man I'd never defend Patton

[@nick-hu1nx]

Right, he didn't literally say he has a collection of Hitler's underwear but he did blow his collection of nazi dog whistle's so much every dog in the county was deaf.

[@aesop1451]

@@nick-hu1nx I bet you feel real proud of yourself for coming up with that one. Why is it that everyone everywhere until 1960 was a bigot?

[@KingSlat730]

@@wolloms how so am i pathetic for anything in my statement? Because i respect em as a General but i don't respect em as a man? I'm a US Marine but im also black so i don't respect anybody as a person if they have/had even just a slight tinge of that shyt Patton said about Jews, Russians, and in favor of the Nazi's. He might've done an okay job sending our men into battle but i still don't respect em along with a good amount of Americans in WW2 as that was just the norm back then. Respect the Fighter not the man. here in the Marines even if I, a L-Cpl think my Sgt is incapable i still salute him as he's a Sgt, Captain, Cpl, etc, and the Pvt's and less senior L-Cpl's have to adhere to the same to me. Or as the corps says it concisely. " Salute the Rank, Not the Man "

[@acid6urns]

people seem to forget that patton literally believed jews were subhuman. he said as much in a letter discussing the jews in the temporary resettlement camps, saying that they should give the jews bad conditions because they were ‘dirty people’ and that they preferred subhuman conditions…

[@eugeniaamariei8626]

​@@mar3869Psycho.

[@EquinoxKiwi]

@@mar3869yea ok fed, glow harder

[@oni2662]

​@@mar3869who said boomers can't be edgy

[@FirstLast-dp3jx]

They are, they killed Jesus

[@pesopluma645]

So what?

[@matthewthiele6020]

“Opposed denazification” yeah I think we can make some guesses

[@zacharycook2674]

its not a hard thought to fathom at the time. Looked what happened when the allies stripped germany of everything after the great war.

[@thelordkragan1888]

​@@zacharycook2674 'everything'... *looks at austria hungary* *looks at brest litovsk* The germans really got off easy.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

And he was right as communism spread up to Germany and is _STILL_ a problem to this day.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@DataC0llect0r I wouldn't call Russia Zionist.

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

​@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Noone in their right mind would call it Communist either since the 90's

[@DuckyTheFox]

Patton try not to be a PR nightmare for the allied powers challenge: *Impossible*

[@welkingunther5417]

So true

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

It's funny socialists and the like point to him as so terrible yet conveniently forget every USSR general to ever exist

[@2.5k_ping56]

Capable men are always a PR nightmare

[@IHaveAName1824]

Better than monty i guess, but the bars in the dirt

[@TheFirefox]

Douglas McArthur - “Hold my beer”.

[@mac2312]

I read his letters which have been published online, he very much said explicitly and explained in great detail why we should have sided with the Germans

[@martinverner7390]

"Lul I get my history from KZbin shorts, derrr!!"

[@mac2312]

@@martinverner7390 You can go read them yourself. You only make urself look foolish

[@nick9602]

His point still stands today. Even more so. Go read the bad parts of the Talmud and tell me that is a people worthy of sharing space with.

[@ColGesso]

He called Russians “mongoIs” lmao they are just White people. Guy’s views on race were frankly ret’rded. If you happen to resent and oppose a race whatever but once you get into the “they are literally not human” territory then you’re just a m0r0n.

[@ColGesso]

@@nick9602 Either way the Nazis were skinnyfat effeminate d0rks who got their nation utterly leveled & dominated and left their people in the hands of foreign rulers. By definition they were some of the biggest losers in history. Lasted 12 years in power 🤣🤣

[@jattdadanda]

They named a Village after Patton in India. Because those there was graveyard of Patton Tanks in India when Pakistan invaded India in 1965. Hundreds of US made Patton tanks were destroyed in one area which is now called "Patton Nagar".

[@sooryan_1018]

Funny because out of context it would sound like they named it for his support 😂 Another Centurion + T-55 W

[@H-1467]

@@sooryan_1018 ?

[@ssa6227]

Yes and Abdul Hamid got highest war honour for single handedly destroying a great number of tanks during a battle with those tanks.

[@karlkfoury2213]

indian guy try not to talk about india in a video where india was not mentionned even once challenge:

[@evandickinson3254]

@@karlkfoury2213shut up

[@darkhobo]

You did not do much do dissuade us of the notion that Patton harbored Nazi sympathies...

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

LMAO, I don't think that was the intention. Just that the specific qoute itself is unverified but his sympathies and ideology isn't too far off

[@TemmieContingenC]

@@RobotDCLXVIeh?

[@thegrasswhistle5238]

Well I mean their answer was effectively “We don’t have solid evidence for this but yeah he’d totally say it.”

[@GonnaDieNever]

Patton didn't particularly sympathize with the Nazis, but he did hate them less than the Soviets. He was a hardline American nationalist, so at the end of the day he had no problems killing anyone defined as enemies of the US.

[@postblitz]

Who are Americans to question affinities for Nazism when they were the ones doing the nazi salute in classrooms nationwide and inspired Hitler in many ways like eugenics

[@youmaboi5279]

He didn't necessarily like Nazis, he just shared the same ideological enemies, same bigotries, and was sympathetic to them.

[@pacv3gamer457]

"bigotries" 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-dr3tj8zz9f]

@@pacv3gamer457 what isnt bigoted about believing a race is inferior

[@sideshow4417]

@@user-dr3tj8zz9f If I believe North Koreans to be shorter than their Southern counterparts is that bigoted?

[@cravkit9240]

​@@sideshow4417you are stating a fact, another thing will have been if you used a fact to say something like "north koreans are shorter, so they surely also have a smaller brain"

[@samc9133]

​@@sideshow4417There's a difference between what you are saying about Koreans vs. Patton who said lines such as "The Jews are a race but not human." Is that your opinion as well? That they're not human? This what you're defending?

[@liquidthens]

My Grandfather, who fought in WWII, said Douglas MacArthur wanted to continue the war into USSR and defeat them. He saw them as a threat down the road.

[@KirbyKitten]

Douglas ''i love fascism and nukes'' MacArthur was uuuhh... quite a character.

[@3baxcb]

​@KirbyKitten And that's why he was fired and replaced by Bradley.

[@VramsGamingChannel]

The USSR wasn't a threat down the road, they were a threat the entire time. The reluctance to deal with Russia in the 40s remains a problem to this very day

[@GoonyMclinux]

The USSR doesn't exist anymore.​@@VramsGamingChannel

[@williamolsen20]

I knew a man that was an language officer in WWII under MacArthur and he said he was a horrible person. He would not speak to anyone below a certain rank.

[@matthewhainer189]

Patton sounds like he would have been more at home in the Wehrmacht.

[@nfaisnfgay]

Western society in general would’ve been, yes.

[@theguy3517]

It was not an uncommon view. People forget the internal racial division that europe had for most of its existence. Eastern europeans were seen as less-than, hardly better than turks.

[@TDP-t7o]

@nfaisnfgay I disagree. I highly dislike all sides in the second world war (I do not consider it a black-and-white as much as a very dark gray-on-black), however what the West did still pales in comparison to the crimes of Germany and Japan. This doesn’t by any means suggest that they are excusable, however, which I believe was your point.

[@TheZod00]

​@nfaisnfgay Source: Trust me bro.

[@asmirann3636]

​@@theguy3517 Btw Turks were seen more positively by Germans than East Europeans.

[@Frank-vy7su]

Realistically, Patton held a common reactionary 1920s/1930s anglosphere view of fascism that while it wasn’t the most palatable , it did act as a bulwark against communism in Europe. I think the reason Patton is controversial is because most people in the anglosphere dropped this view after 1933-1939, he kept it well into the 1940s

[@personeater747]

There is a saying in some communist groups that the worst thing fascism did was antifascism, Patton is a great example. The complaint was that the allies were also genocidal racist militant upholders of the status quo, they only differed from fascists in how they went about this, and because they had fascist to contrast them, they get to look like great people while doing more or less the same things.

[@bpbp8597]

​@personeater747 Sounds like a subtle attempt at repeating the lie that communists & fascists were the complete opposite of each other. The only difference was their flag. Too bad so many people fall for it. I'm not falling for it. I'm laser-focused on your steaming pile of BS. The only reason they fought against each other in WW2 & I absolutely mean the only reason, is because all socialists hate any form of competition, especially among socialists. You do understand that they both are forms of socialism, right? You either do know it & you are helping to promote it on purpose; or you don't know it & you are just a robot, zombie, follower. Also known as a "useful idiot".

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

​@@personeater747ironic, since the USSR also committed a genocide in this very period against the tatars.

[@mz.projiekt]

​@@personeater747indeed.

[@indigoplateau357]

the enemy of the big bad scary boogey monster is my friend. might show you why these enemies are so important to teach people en masse.

[@JimBombo-oz3et]

What a comically couched way to say yes.

[@Headshot1st]

Patton was an anti semite to some degree he never did anything past hard words grow up. And he was an anti communist along with everybody in the 40’s. Maybe have been a douche bag but not a Nazi

[@nfaisnfgay]

They cry as they strike at you. Subversion is their natural instinct.

[@About37Hobos]

They’ve got to fill a minute somehow

[@wyatt1339]

@@About37Hobos yeah who needs context

[@charliedontsurf334]

It's not a yes. Being an anti-Semite doesn't make someone a Nazi. There had been pogroms against Jews for centuries in Europe.

[@Fragolux]

Patton was an interesting fellow. He believed his soul reincarnated over and over, always as a warrior, fighting for the great empires of history. He held 19th century views well into the mid-20th century.

[@MarkStockman-b4j]

I know a guy who jokes that he has PTSD and flashbacks from battles he fought in thousands of years ago. I don't think he's joking. He couldn't get in the service because of health issues. So I don't know where he got the same "thousand yard stare" I've seen from combat vets when he talks about recurring dreams he has.

[@christofthedead]

what a psychopath

[@gary9933]

A Eisenhower vs Patton presidential campaign would've been one for the ages.

[@ahorsewithnoname773]

Eisenhower would have beaten him like a drum. Patton had his uses militarily but he was also a public relations disaster who often exhibited a lack of self control in his words and actions.

[@MrKeepnit100]

The Democrats even during that time never would have nominated him because he hated the Democrats

[@patrickluchycky1172]

Ike was a bitch of the military industrial CONGRESSIONAL complex that he " tried to warn" America about. He was a hypocrite, took his orders from the politicians who were taking their orders from BofE, wall street, city of London, the fed. Ike wasn't too bright and was a dupe, shill, and tool of warmongers, war profiteers, zionists, corrupt American and British politicians, and the international Babylonian cabalist banking cartel. Pattons comments were usually spot on.

[@armannstraughter3296]

@@ahorsewithnoname773 lol

[@MisterPeckingOrder]

Ike was way too charismatic and strong to lose to someone like Patton.

[@missk1697]

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it likely is a duck.

[@Deridus]

At most, it'll be a Canadian Goose; still an aquatic avian, but man alive... foul fowl.

[@TrippinCreatives]

Coots n loons look very much like ducks

[@SeasonableYork]

@@TrippinCreativesTeals too!

[@Ihrun]

Or it is a fox dressed as a duck, walking like a duck and quacking like a duck to catch other ducks.

[@Deridus]

@Ihrun ... That makes an annoying amount of sense. Kudos.

[@wr1120]

Easy for Patton to say that Jews like subhuman conditions, being the wealthiest general in the army he was born with a golden spoon in his mouth.

[@andrewklang809]

More like an ivory spoon.

[@dillanspec4]

lol dont pretend most jews arent born into wealthy families

[@williestyle35]

People now tend to forget Patton came from wealth and had never "earned a living" - going straight from "private school", to West Point, to an officers commission in the Army.

[@Joesolo13]

​@@williestyle35people tend to like the story of self-made men. It gives a weight of greater competence and intelligence to individuals, which is at least somewhat deserved by some actual self made men. People who drag themselves up from poverty, or even just a fairly average origin to great success are particularly skilled, but others are simply lucky, perhaps beating the right person, or being in the right place. Without getting too political, looking at the background of several recent presidents show that popular conception and truth aren't always aligned on that front. The Clinton family has been called a political dynasty, but neither Hillary nor Bill came from particularly influential or wealthy backgrounds. Both had parents with small business, which certainly insured their access to college and the things that granted them further success, but not nearly the type of networks that families like the Bushes, Kennedys, or Roosevelts possessed

[@米空軍パイロット]

​@@williestyle35Aside from the private school, that's how most officers today are made.

[@BoatyPirate69]

I see it as “we found a threat, yet we’ve failed to see the true enemy for years to come.”

[@CleopatraKing]

nah his dehumanizing of jews is more than enough and even then USSR while a threat was nothing more than that, eventually disbanding into the Not much better Russian federation. even now they are but a echo of their original perceived danger.

[@DACHgag]

​@@CleopatraKingYour servitude towards Jews is truly cute, however extremely anachronistic - back then his views didn't sound as 'outrageous' as they sound to people indoctrimated under our modern Western propaganda because people from his generation were exposed to a different type of propaganda.

[@fiyum333]

no, he actively bought into the quackery of "judeo-bolshevism" and the "tatar-mongol yoke"

[@ColGesso]

⁠ Either way the N@zis were skinnyfat efffeminate d0rks who got their nation utterly leveled & dominated and left their people in the hands of foreign rulers. By definition they were some of the biggest losers in history. Lasted 12 years in power 🤣🤣

[@unknownname328]

“We found a threat” the single most genocidal force in human history “failed to see the true enemy” a country that would dissolve and become a joke 50 years later. Yeah dude this guy, who was a military general, thought the USSR was simply a bigger foe

[@CitrikkAcid]

"I dont see them as enemies, more like opponents" - patton probably

[@Jartran72]

So basically.. Yes. If not literally then he said it through his beliefs and actions.

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

No, if he didn’t say it then he didn’t say it. You can’t put words in peoples mouths no matter how much you wish they said the thing

[@jsmith1174]

USS LIBERTY NEVER FORGET

[@bradlevantis913]

My father was in the Second World War. He met many US Soldiers and said he only met one who had positive things to say about Patton. It’s interesting how history remembers him

[@pieterveenders9793]

Weird, it's not what I've read, namely that he was in fact much loved by his troops.

[@fatkiller1000]

History still likes him. Progressives don't.

[@kforcer]

@@pieterveenders9793 My grandpa served in the 4th Army and he loved Patton, even if he might've thought he was a "character." But I remember my Dad had feelings of affection towards Patton, in part because of my grandpa serving in the 4th Army. My implication was that Patton meant a lot to my grandpa, to the point that even watching biopics on Patton carried some meaning for my Dad.

[@nick9602]

Then he must have not met many soldiers under Patton

[@Thr33-Quarters]

I guess you hear what you want to hear..

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

In the movie "Patton". A reporter asked him if the Germans were on one side and the Russians on the other. He said he would attack in both directions. Patton said he did not say that. But he wished he had!

[@hemlo7494]

In the same movie he also said `Up until now we`ve been fighting the wrong people.`

[@alexabaxter6658]

Because two fronts went so well for the Germans...

[@warcrimeconnoisseur5238]

​@@alexabaxter6658America fought on 2 fronts easily

[@Niko-fj4mo]

@@warcrimeconnoisseur5238 Easy when the war is not on your land border.

[@offic3space]

"i think that propaganda movies are historical fact, look at how evil the germans are in these movies!"

[@dmctztv3842]

damn this made me like him even more!

[@plavsk]

who do you like someone who is racist against people groups like slavs and jews

[@nonamemcgillicutty9585]

Disliking Jews is the worst thing ever, how could u possibly hate those godly folk

[@nonamemcgillicutty9585]

@@SoftwareRat sarcasm is hard to convey in writing 😂

[@SoftwareRat]

@@nonamemcgillicutty9585 I can tell the same

[@SgtCandy]

"We don't think he was a Nazi sympathizer, anyway here's his sympathies for German culture, his opposition to denazifying Germany, him considering Jews (and arguably Slavs as well) as subhuman, and finally his anti-Communism."

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

That isn't what they said, how do you have such severe brain damage to have no short term memory yet manage to make your way to a comment section?

[@SgtCandy]

@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg bruh aside from the bracketed part, every specific point in my little bit of satire was taken from a bit they said. The fact I wrote it as satire was because I think the one point made that Patton wasn't a Nazi/fascist sympathizer was thoroughly disproven by all the other points they stated in their own video, hence why it's written like they're saying it. Check your own head for damage first before calling someone else out

[@bloodleader5]

Liking German culture does not make someone a Nazi and Nazism is not a part of German culture, and being against communism is just objectively correct.

[@ShmuckCanuck]

@ naziism was definitely a part of German culture my dude It wasn’t the entirety but nazism is entirely German Facism itself isn’t but nazism is As is communism lol

[@SgtCandy]

@bloodleader5 except that sympathy doesn't exist by itself but alongside his opposition to denazification

[@BD-yl5mh]

This is such a historian’s answer lol “Well it’s very multifaceted and with a lot of ticks in the ‘probably’ column and no marks in the ‘probably not’ column, so we really can’t say”

[@ColasTeam]

Ultimately the question is "did he said this exact lines?" The answer to which is "we have no evidence he did, but it is a quote that is in line with his believes"

[@Sasha-tv8tt]

If you think hard enough with your brain you'll find that historians have a great deal of respect for history and historical figures/people that really did exist but are now dead. With that said, along with that respect comes not forcing our own biases onto them and making modern arguments using historical opinions/rhetoric that we cannot know for certain even occured. Basically real historians don't like to put words into real people's mouths to benefit themselves/modern people in some way.

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

​@@ColasTeamEhh, well, the question was more along the lines of "Did he say the exact quote or some variant of it?" Which does allow for a stronger "He almost certainly did, yes."

[@chrisso1029]

When Jordan Peterson reads a history book.

[@puff7145]

Yes, because being a respectable historian means not lying just to fit a narrative

[@AdmiralJT]

You can be both anti-nazi and anti-communist... Like the modern populist right. Liberty, true equality, and anti-any authoritarian system

[@skylinefever]

It's sad how many people try to turn every argument into a false dichotomy.

[@wanicki3579]

​@@skylinefeversimple thoughts produced by simple people

[@KirbyKitten]

The populist right is literally the ''we allign with nazis'' right.

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

If you're anti-communist then you are de facto also anti-equality

[@Fauz-fa20]

​​@@wanicki3579'fast food' culture must have been a factor.

[@rorymcgregor625]

It always pisses me off when people respond to "Communism is evil" with "You thought the Nazis were good?" The two statements are not related.

[@restricttheopennotes]

Dude said "no, but actually YES😀"

[@dannyboy5008]

"We fought the wrong enemy" implies he still views nazis as enemies, he just felt communists were going to be a bigger threat down the line.

[@criol1]

Just... No.

[@pirtdirksen7318]

I figured that too

[@rogerkeleshian2215]

​@@criol1Yes! He was enthusiastic about fighting them all throughout the war

[@pierregravel-primeau4088]

Not at all... Copium level 100? It means that Nazis are friends and Commies are evil...

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

Which was laughably wrong lmao. We have no Communism in the US and a fatal plague of Nazism to boot.

[@BillehBobJoe]

Sounds like a general knowing one enemy has a limited lifespan. The other does not

[@alexandru5369]

Yep I mean he's half wrong and half right

[@mfawls9624]

Stalin was the cause of more deaths of Soviets than Hitler. But Stalin was an ally and so we don't talk about that. The fact that FDR viewed him as a trustworthy friend speaks volumes about FDR.

[@I_Stand_With_RussiaZOV]

Which countries release Nazis into thier society and which country did too the Nazis what they deserve?? That should tell people everything they need too know

[@AppleBiscuits]

George “Private Slappin” Patton at it again, he’s such a character

[@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz]

oyvey

[@ajdominguez1002]

​​@@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz *Patton stares at you with religious intent*

[@Twirlyhead]

Churchill felt likewise about the SOVIETS but had no sympathy for the Nazis. As it happend war with the SOVIETS would have been a tragic waste of life as, following a long cold war, the Soviet Union is no more and we are at peace with a fully rehabillitated and democratic Russia. Oh ...

[@kindlingking]

Very condescending. The west is constantly in dire need of a big bad outside it's borders otherwise it's gonna collapse. This is why Russia was denied NATO and EU but instead got antagonised and pushed into position of a "threat". No wonder most of the world doesn't like westoids.

[@Sam-eu9go]

Churchhill was a scumbag drunk. Less than human.

[@miriamweller812]

Western fascism simply can't stop trying to rob Russia's resources. They are trying since hundred of years and will never give up on that.

[@MarkStockman-b4j]

Biggest diplomatic mistake in history: The West not embracing democratic Russia, and not disbanding NATO as soon as the Soviet Union imploded. Now we're looking at yet another world war caused by entangling alliances.

[@zulusmith]

If AH had simply kept his actions to Germany, he most likely would have been 100% successful and would have had the support of most of Europe. From what we know, Patton was not by himself; AH definitely had admirers in England and the U.S. back then.

[@nonamemcgillicutty9585]

And now, he was the best

[@redips8947]

Considering the Soviet Union actively traded and collaberated with Germany during the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact I can't blame Patton's train of thought.

[@crimson1228]

Its crazy how shortly after he said this He died 😬

[@patrickcoughlin-qj9uk]

He was murdered

[@zaqueshdacampos5492]

​@@patrickcoughlin-qj9uk Maybe for his views?

[@dantobarbarian4842]

So no but actually yes!

[@alexgrover7693]

Patton is like that guy at work who's really good at his job but is a complete asshole. Give him credit for his battlefield accomplishments, but don't idolize him as a whole person.

[@kingmalric6571]

​@@derchozenvun83No, that was Eisenhower. He's the one you should idolize for his leadership, not Patton. Patton was a major pain in the ass for Eisenhower and everybody else, but he had his uses. Montgomery was also a massive prick like Patton but again had his uses

[@cravkit9240]

​@@derchozenvun83A leader is one that actually can put those ideas in practice, because the goverment has the confidence he will not put the entire american public against the war effort

[@nickbell4984]

​@@kingmalric6571Monty came across as a huge prick because he was against operations that would inflict huge casualties on the British as they had a manpower crisis. However I agree with you about Patton. Eisenhower hated him, the rest of the US generals hated him, the British hated him, the French hated him, his casualty numbers were higher than under any other Western general, he was really bad for the press and he sent men on a suicide mission to save his son-in-law from a pow camp. I'm really surprised he actually made it that long as a general, he was so anti-British that he would put operations at risk just to make the British effort look worse.

[@charliebasar9068]

​@nickbell4984 Patton had managed to be less capable and more insufferable than MacArthur, and still gets the same attention and praise. Part of the allied dislike for Montgomery was that he was always rather confident he was right, and would bitch to his superior officers if they didn't listen. Compared to Patton, however, Montgomery was rather compliant, rather often correct, and considerably less likely to beat soldiers with PTSD.

[@whyuhatan]

​@@nickbell4984in regards to the failed operation to save his son-in-law from a pow camp Apparently Patton's command had been given intelligence that the SS were preparing to liquidate the camp inmates rather than see them freed by the allies. There's a reason why American GI's hunted for German personnel with SS tattoos and it wasn't just for souvenirs

[@BeWe1510]

I have been so conditioned to expect videos titled like this to answer their question with a „no“, that I expected this to at least deny the exact quote or something but it was pretty mich just a „yes“.

[@fiachrabissett715]

Longest way ever of saying "he didn't support them, but he support them."

[@jonathaneubanks9026]

He didn't, denazification was bad and has led to many problems.

[@SputnikKM]

​@@jonathaneubanks9026 Why was it bad?

[@Jugendberg]

Support them, as in Nazi Germany? You must be confused as to what his job was, and what he did as the General of the US Army on the European front.

[@ottomanosman2463]

Patton truly hated commies.

[@RichardSaurus]

Would the US have dropped A-bombs on the USSR had fighting broken out considering how large, extremely powerful, and seasoned the Red Army was by 1945???

[@ComeAndTakeIt9235]

Iirc the a-bombs were dropped on Japan as a threat to the Soviet union so more than likely yes

[@stupidburp]

With the limited number of nukes available at the time and their relatively low yields, the damage caused would not have been much different from large scale conventional bombing runs that would have happened either way. Even in just Japan, conventional bombing did more damage and caused more casualties than both nukes dropped combined. It required many more bombers but we had thousands of them available and millions of bombs.

[@roy6907]

That is a Soviet myth. The Soviets were not powerful at the end of World War II. You can’t just lose a third of your total population and shrug it off. By the time they reached Berlin they were on the last of their reserves. Stalin wasn’t stupid and was terrified of a new war with the U.S. (especially since by the end of the war, almost every Russian truck was made in America). This actually caused the first crack in the Sino-Soviet alliance as the second the U.S. got involved in Korea, Stalin immediately withdrew from the Indo-Pacific power contest.

[@kirby1225]

@@roy6907 The Soviets would still have a massive army, but a crumbling economy and dithering reserves. So in the long-term the Allies would probably win, even though all of the European allies would also be at the edge of economic collapse.

[@handlessuck777]

Because we helped them.

[@barrybarlowe5640]

Patton simply saw the truth. Nazu Germany and the USSR were birds of a feather. He was stating that the USSR might be the greater danger to the West.

[@hyt2243]

“We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.” Marshall Zukov, of the USSR

[@rogerkeleshian2215]

More like put under new management

[@morriszombine]

@@rogerkeleshian2215 implying that the territories liberated by USA werent. That's peculiar

[@Justsomeguy-v2d]

@@morriszombineWell, they certainly weren’t forced into a Warsaw pact like alliance, they didn’t get invaded by the United States to keep their governemnts pro American and in that alliance, and they didn’t blockade off a city to starve the population into forcing them to join their Germany.

[@morriszombine]

@@Justsomeguy-v2d sure, Warsaw pact is not NATO, you need to know the difference. Also, its really amusing about invading countries to keep pro-american powers - google the invasion of Greece. What do true democrats do, when loosing an election? Right - call for an invasion! And USA invaded. But that's large difference, Soviets arent allowed to do that, no.

[@Holy_Cup]

​@@morriszombineIt isn't like there was time that France almost left NATO and US didn't send tanks to Paris

[@carmendestefano1780]

PATTON never said Jews were subhuman. He said the conditions they were forced to live in treated them as subhuman. Who is this guy?

[@scottlaplantelaplante990]

This is correct. The subhuman comment was regarding the conditions under which those in the camps were living when discovered. Also, his view was to keep the military at full strength in Europe after the war to address the threat from USSR. This was a view shared by Winston Churchill. The post-war agreements between UK/USA and USSR prevented the next war. Also regarding the denazification, Patton kept local German government officials in place to manage the localities. He did not have the manpower nor the local knowledge to do this effectively. This, again, was controversial.

[@bluetigah234]

@@scottlaplantelaplante990 It takes 10 seconds to google the letter and what I cant post without being autofiltered by youtube, but both comments above are certainly lying or illiterate because he most certainly just referred to them as subhuman. After that he said soviets were the descendents of genghis khan in a most negative way and literally said he had "more things to say but wont because hes going to be censored, even though there supposedly shouldnt be censorship" (which idk what the fuck hes talking about given hes in the military)

[@bluetigah234]

which is ofcourse him just clarifying "no i had more bad things to say about jews and soviets but i wont because ill be censored" and making clear that hes mad about it

[@SoftwareRat]

His duties as military governor took Patton to all parts of Germany and made him intimately acquainted with the German people and their living conditions. He could not help but compare them with the French, the Italians, the Belgians and even the British. These comparisons gradually forced him to realize that the Second World War had taken place against the wrong people. Whether he said the word word to word is completely irrelevant, the sense is that he did. After a visit to destroyed Berlin, he wrote to his wife on July 21, 1945: “Berlin has given me the rest. We have destroyed what could have been a good nation and are about to replace it with Mongolian savages. And the whole of Europe is becoming communist. They say that in the first week after they took Berlin, all the women who were on the streets were shot and if not, r*ped. I could have taken it instead of the Soviets if I had been allowed to.”

[@noirekuroraigami2270]

ummm even the German people wouldn't agree

[@SoftwareRat]

@ What re-educated Germans have to say is irrelevant, these are historical facts

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

Just the vitriolic rantings of a bigoted man of yesteryear.

[@reddeadrealism817]

Read his diary, make your own mind up. Very interesting read, readily available.

[@Nibelheim1989]

Bro sounds like he was a delight. 🙄

[@edelweiss7928]

This but unironically

[@theatomicwastelander9085]

He had a fit that General Alexander wouldn’t let him take larger command over the invasion of Sicily. When Patton was ultimately allowed to conduct ‘light reconnaissance’, he charged the entire American 8th (I think it was the 8th, but just know that it was most of the American Forces in Italy at the time) to the north to fight light resistance, leaving the British to fight the bulk of Axis forces. Basically, Patton wasn’t allowed to be the main character. So at the expense of British forces, he made him and America the main character.

[@mikloridden8276]

Many under him really disliked him. And then you got accounts of him berating wounded soldiers and beating them for being cowards..

[@ktvindicare]

Patton was very disliked as a person by other members of allied Command especially President Roosevelt. He was tolerated because he was a capable general. The fact he was an asshole isn't new.

[@theatomicwastelander9085]

@@mikloridden8276 and arguing with tank crews for using makeshift armour (logs, sandbags, steel wires, etc) on their tanks for protection.

[@JorgeRodriguez-my6ej]

Patton was based

[@peptheyoad]

Never forget Holodomor

[@Dagger_323]

The truth is spreading. Patton was way ahead of the curve.

[@jacobsmith2577]

Patton was a hammer in need of something to smash

[@pnutz_2]

don't forget your seatbelt, patton

[@JohnDoe-wt9ek]

A) He more than likely said it considering one of the most commonly accepted character attributes of Patton, Jr. is that he had no filter and no qualms telling it as it was. Even if he was absolutely insufferable about it. B) Saying it doesn't mean he viewed the National Socialists as good guys. He viewed them as an enemy of inconvenience, while the real enemy was on the other side of the NatSoc's controlled territory and coming from further east... And he, like MacArthur, were both ready to get down and dirty to fight the Communists... Which is why both were considered incredibly unpopular by the Truman Administration respectively. Which is telling about the fact that Patton mysteriously died from a head wound in a very slow traffic accident, and MacArthur was sacked and his entire legacy destroyed because he wanted to deal with the Chinese before the Chinese became everyone's problem... Which they have become now for the last 30 years (thanks Clinton, you rotten bastard).

[@PsyOpChampion]

Regardless of if he said it, it’s plain to see today that it is a truth.

[@kathorsees]

Thank you for calling out his remarks against Russians and calling them racist. Such blind hate deserves a proportionlly harsh description. So, so many people get hung up on the stupid "it's not racism if it's not a race" point. The issue is not whether it's race or ethnicity or hair color, it's the hate and prejudice against huge groups of people based on stuff outside of their control. Thinking "all Americans are subhuman" isn't somehow less terrible or dumb just because "American" isn't a race.

[@pieterveenders9793]

Russians aren't a race, they're a nationality, ergo it literally can't be racist. Same goes for Jews, they're an ideology, not a race. Edit: spelling

[@turaryskulov]

"It's not racist if it's Russians" more be correct

[@1steelcobra]

Patton is a great example of why you don't want the military leaders in charge of deciding where to go to war*. He was a brilliant field commander - so much so that sidelining him during D-Day was a key element of making the Germans think it wasn't going to happen - but wasn't the kind of man who'd make good civil political decisions. *Same with MacArthur, who wanted to use nuclear warfare to drive deep into China during the Korean war

[@bretiker7868]

That is your conclusion, sure. Napoleon, Washington and many great men were generals before being political heads. I would argue they more than any were the most over qualified leaders because they knew the reality of politics.

[@1steelcobra]

@@bretiker7868 From the same war you have Eisenhower, who was a politician with five stars who could think about the bigger picture of how everyone was working together for victory and about the aftermath's potentials. But he was often wrangling bigger than life personalities like Patton and Montgomery into following his strategy instead of following their own drives to one-up each other.

[@shiftygypsy89migh41]

I mean...were they wrong? if they would have got their ways wouldnt be dealing with what we got now.

[@1steelcobra]

@@shiftygypsy89migh41 Or the US might have overextended and lost hard. Generals ignoring the big picture to "finish the job" in their current active sectors are how you get stuff like the Persians stomping through a huge part of the Empire while Bellisarius was dicking around delaying the treaty with the Ostrogoths.

[@nickstod5789]

​@shiftygypsy89migh41 yeah because turning the entire Yalu river border region and most of Manchuria into a permanently radiated lifeless shithole would be so much better for the world than what we got, ffs read a fucking book

[@dudemanbro-fy6ip]

We did fight the wrong enemy

[@RomanMebius]

Americans.....

[@bombeexplosion9380]

Nah

[@Fauz-fa20]

Found the neo nut see

[@1958PlymouthFury]

​@@RomanMebiusHow you like the news of that christmas market attack. Still think we fought the wrong enemy?

[@kylenielsen5083]

"Called Jews subhuman, opposed denazification" and looking at his wikipedia page it's basically him further insulting Jews, proposing conspiracies of them running the news, and you can see something suspicious in him. Oddly enough wikipedia also sneaks in his opposition to evicting germans in that paragraph, though this is the same wikipedia that considers pointing out soviet atrocities as "holocaust trivialization".

[@kylestahlhut2131]

Boy, we sure proved him wrong!...

[@EwDirt]

real

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

Literally lmao. Nazism spreading like a plague in the USA and nary a drop of communism in sight.

[@ihatemorgz456]

Rest in peace Patton, And God bless him.

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

Hell no, the guy is a ghoul and a monster

[@julianstone1192]

Didn’t he also believe his own troops were subhuman? Slapping shellshocked soldiers, claimed that dead soldiers were fools, crushed the Bonus Army of WWI vets etc

[@Deridus]

Yup. If you want a better posterboy for hide-bound Jingoism, you'll have a hard time finding one.

[@edrossman2654]

No, he did love his soldiers He came from a different generation that didn’t understand Shell Shock (PTSD). It would be almost 70 years before America finally grasped what PTSD was and how bad it was on veterans.

[@sovietmoose5624]

@@edrossman2654 and yet people were researching and treating shellshock/ptsd with compassion at the time.

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

​@@edrossman2654PTSD existed long LONG before America started focusing on it mate

[@3baxcb]

​@@edrossman2654It doesn't justify his actions. He was just lucky he wasn't outright dismissed or even court martialed.

[@tytlersbicycle]

Not in so many words however he did express regret and started noticing things which many believe lead to his untimely demise.

[@Sproke-s5u]

YES.

[@I.likejagdtiger]

in dutch "mongool" is an insult, now i undertsand why

[@Deridus]

In English, 'mongoloid' was a term to describe certain... developmental problems...

[@maxchangarrido7841]

Mongoloid used to mean Down Syndrome

[@rjagad]

​@@Deriduswhich ruzzians have.

[@flawliz802]

I thought mongoloid simply means "asian". I dunno why they took mongols as the ideal picture of what it means to be asian, but yeah. Whatever.

[@tom13king]

“Mongoloid” originally meant people of East Asian descent, then doctors started using it for people with Down’s syndrome (because they apparently look like Asians) and then it devolved into a generic slur like r*tard Let’s see if this comment actually gets past the filters

[@conradcash1472]

Patton just didn't want to stop.

[@ancesthntr]

Before making a substantive comment on this video, and on General Patton, I want to be very up front and say that I am Jewish and my father’s side of the family is from Russia. That being said, I am a huge admirer of General George S Patton, Jr., and I am thoroughly anti-communist because of what communism has done not just to my family, but to billions of people around the world over the last century or so. On a substantive level, General Patton despised weakness. I don’t know the genesis for his obsession with this, perhaps it was some incident when he was a child, but that’s who he was. When he saw Jewish refugees at the end of the war, and in its immediate aftermath, he saw people who were weak and victimized. I do not think that he then fully appreciated how such a thing could have happened, but I am absolutely certain that if he were alive today and saw how free and strong Israel is, he would be among its greatest admirers. As for how he thought about the Germans, and about the Russian communists, he fought the Germans and saw a very tough and strong group of people. He thought of them as worthy opponents. I am quite sure that he despised the actual Nazis, but I believe he admired the German people for their strength during both world wars. As for the Soviets he, of course, despised communism, and I believe that he also had contempt for how the Red Army wasted its manpower and sacrificed so many millions to defeat the Germans. It was, I am sure, a facet of his hatred for weakness. He knew that if the Soviets had less manpower, they would have lost like so many other nations in Europe did. That all said, Patton was a man, and had a great many flaws, as do we all. I don’t make any excuses for his racist attitudes, but I also understand that he grew up in the south in the late 19th century, when such attitudes were part of the environment. It was a rare person who would have been able to rise above that type of upbringing and environment. I also think that Patton was prone to making snap judgments based on very few observations (and mostly he was correct), though often times he later examined an issue much more closely when more information was available. He was one of the greatest strategic thinkers in American military history, and you don’t get to be that way without a lot of self reflection and a lot of revisions of prior conclusions based upon new facts. As it turns out, in my opinion, it would have been better for the world had the Soviet Union been destroyed in the mid-1940s, despite the obvious cost in blood and treasure necessary to accomplish that goal. As it is, the world had to endure a nuclear arms race, and came close to a civilization-destroying war on several occasions until the fall of the Soviet Union. Most of the terrorism and the terrorist states in existence today can trace their initial support and training to the KGB. The misery that these groups and nations have inflicted upon the world cumulatively exceeds the harm that would have been done had the Soviet Union been destroyed as a viable state in the mid-1940s. There was simply nothing that could’ve stood against the American military, even if the British and Canadians had stayed at home. We would have quickly destroyed their logistics within 1000 miles of the front lines, and would have bombed most of their factories to rubble with our fleet of B29s. No atomic weapons necessary.

[@Eric-yz2mp]

Patton was a joke, and not near as a good geberal as is believed! He cared about glory, not tge men!

[@CARDAMELO]

Ok?

[@leeham6230]

Patton was an old American man in the 1940s. Young men in the 1940s were notoriously racist, just imagine what an old guy back then was like.

[@sgtreznov9869]

Zukhov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patton

[@Holy_Cup]

Of course, guy who bragged about demining with soldiers just going over the mined area(Also you should really look up how soviets cross Dnieper) is much better than great but racist commander.

[@1958PlymouthFury]

​@@Holy_CupNot to mention an army of grapists lol

[@ismailabdelirada9073]

General Patton wore a tinfoil hat before they were uncool, and he had his made into an iconic helmet. Let's not lose sight of that.

[@sluggy6074]

Key thing here - in all variants he says "wrong enemy". Not "wrong country". Its no secret Patton felt the red army was a greater threat and saw Germany as a wall between them and the west.

[@DavidBeserock]

Right! Patton saw Russia for what it was doing. I think he admired Germany for what it could accomplish; their ability was the best seen up till then. I think he considered Hitler to be deranged.

[@angelaugustobazan423]

Still based enough

[@leetskeet4476]

Turns out he was completely right about everything

[@plavsk]

how is he right saying jews are subhuman and slavs are mongols

[@mangomangay7747]

They wouldn't have had him killed otherwise.

[@jasonforst9862]

Patton was right.

[@Jay_Spesh_Stay_Fresh]

In other words: “the enemy of my enemy”

[@markmaster66]

Patton recognized the real enemy, the you know who's

[@Ab0rt_All_black_pests]

👃👃👃

[@severalwolves]

I shouldn’t be surprised how quickly this comment section devolved into “actually the knot C’s had a point” type comments. it’s still wild though how openly & brazenly people are willing to embrace this shit from the anonymity of the internet (and even worse when they do it irl).

[@MarkStockman-b4j]

First, let me say that not zee izm was evil, and 180 degrees out of phase withy my Libertarian beliefs. That being said, give the not zees a leader who is neither crazy nor evil, and you have different story. I read an alternate history where Ernst Rohm came out on top after the Night of the Long Knives. Way smarter than moustache guy, and not crazy. In the novel Germany went all in for ethnic cleansing but stopped short of genocide. Rohm even got young Jewish men to enlist in the Wehrmacht by invading the British Mandate of Palestine. He let the Brits and the Palestinians do the dirty work for him. In that one, the Germans won WWII by never forming the Axis. So the USA never had Causus Belli against Germany.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Well.. whoever wrote that novel knew very little about both Naziism and Ernst Röhm. The antisemitic genocidal intent was the core of Nazi ideology, and Röhm was a big believer. There is course an other possibility… the author understood very well, agreed with the Nazis on principle, and created a fiction that would temper “sensitive” critics… this is the probable version, and it’s nasty. “Ethnic cleansing but stopping short of genocide” is just code for getting rid of people that sounds more palatable.

[@shirogitsune3480]

Olympic gold medal level verbal gymnastics to avoid saying “yes”

[@blarghblargh]

Probably wanted to avoid the obnoxious neckbeards all chiming "Nuh Uh!" in unison in the comments.

[@WorldWarTwo]

We’re historians presenting facts, not political pundits opining. We answer with what is known, not what is believed by us or you.

[@CodaMission]

@@WorldWarTwo Yet, you still went so oblique as to miss the larger point that he was a Nazi in all but name.

[@mystrenula3911]

The answer is no, there is no proof he said it. The rest of the video is just information on what the question would even be asked.

[@Dankmemeslover69]

Man had his priorities straight

[@douglaswesson2458]

Well, he did say, "Fight them now or fight them later," and here we are.

[@Mummymunmuggy]

He saw the way Commies treated civilians on the way to Berlin. And he opposed the murder of German civilians after the war. Patton wanted a peaceful and prosperous world, not blind loyalty to ideologies.

[@Richard-oo6pc]

If he did say it, he was 100% correct.

[@mueezadam8438]

Cope

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

no he wasnt

[@bombeexplosion9380]

Nope lmao

[@alfatejpblind6498]

Why tf did this guy fight for America lmao

[@JeremyRight-zi4yp]

Because he loved his homeland? I don't see a contradiction at all. It was Hitler who declared war on America, and it's not like Patton was some national-socialist traitor.

[@MDuarte-vp7bm]

Patton spoke no German. You can't lead if you cannot speak.

[@paavobergmann4920]

Real piece of work, that Patton guy

[@GPOLICE]

I think he fought the wrong enemy though

[@JaxonNobles-u1q]

​@@GPOLICE No he didnt.

[@MatoVuc]

That's a very long winded way of saying: Yes

[@wind2536]

Relentlessly based Patton.

[@colemessina195]

Patton is one of those guys that definitely shouldn't be looked on as positively nowadays.

[@LeftyConspirator]

Patton might not have been a Nazi, but he sure did say a lot of Nazi-adjacent shit. I think it's pretty safe to say that if the Nazis reappeared and asked if he wanted to invade the Soviet Union with them, he'd be 100% on board.

[@EllioGatie]

I low key forgot I wasn't on ig reels until I opened the comments 😔

[@enigma5648]

Well, I guess we're fighting the right enemy now.

[@anthonyju6392]

Patton was pretty upset that Russia basically took over half of Europe which is more territory than the Germans occupied. Then there is also the very real possibility that had the US not dropped the bombs on Japan for forced Japan to surrender Russia would have gotten into that war too and we'd have a north and south Japan just like Germany was divided. In the middle of WW2 Communism raise to great power and Patton already saw the threat it posed. All of which were not wrong.

[@TravisH-r8m]

He did not hate Jews, also with the mental ability to be the worlds premier expert in tank warfare(first to apply calvery tatics to mechinised units), read enemy generals books (Rommel) , military historian new most major strategic position throughout history and previous tactics used there in both defence and offense, founded ft. knox as a permanent ft. Specifically to train tanks. knew how to train his men to be effective. So he obviously knew that solviet Russia was an ally of necessity that would pose a threat after the war. Patton wanted to use the already trained and armed German troops as a way to bullister the standing army in Europe to preemptively fighting the Russians before they could rest and become a bigger threat. But that didn't happen and he was proven correct with the cold war ensuing.

[@dailytzeentch1664]

"We can't say if this shows support for the nazis on his part, aside from all the things he did that shows he supported the nazis"

[@MinecraftAxolotls]

Patton’s a guy I have mixed feelings on