Worst MMO Ever? - Mortal Online

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[@Mrdest211]

Players who don't like hand holding didn't realize how much hand holding their favorite games did because of how well it was done.

[@EricN73158]

The Super Metroid tutorial was one of the best games for this. I feel like game designers should play it and understand how it was teaching players how to play.

[@guyincognito5663]

Or maybe you just cannot comprehend that way of learning because different people learn differently, noob.

[@Mrdest211]

I have no clue what that means in the context of this comment

[@EricN73158]

@@Mrdest211 Yeah same. I was wondering if he was talking to me but I just did not care enough to say anything about it.

[@Mrdest211]

@@EricN73158 Our tiny noob brains truly cannot comprehend

[@MasterHayate]

Little did anyone know this game would break new ground with the first melee combat tutorial delivered via a phone call from a dude baked out of his mind.

[@tenapex7791]

I was getting strong MGS vibes with that radio talk.

[@SyntheticFuture]

Talking about phoning it in xD

[@garethwilkins6744]

What if you swing your weapon at an enemy and... you don't hit them with the blade, but you hit them with the hilt. Imagine it man!

[@mkaleborn]

420 Likes. This guy wins!

[@funnyanimalworld7579]

:D :D :D

[@Nightkrowler]

When I tried this game players used to wait for me to attack NPCs, just to step in front of my weapon at the last moment. This way I got flagged for pvp and they could kill me without penalty. People are dicks. Especially Online

[@oliver_twistor]

Yeah, I agree. Therefore I tend to avoid playing with other people who aren't my friends, which makes me not playing online at all since my friends don't play (PC) games. :( I don't care if 99 % of the gamers are super friendly when you have that 1 % that ruins the game for everyone.

[@aidam6152]

ahh, classic karma/morality system open world pvp stuff

[@do3807]

Dude, I burst out laughing at that

[@jacksepticeyesdadisburning7982]

The same thing happened in Fallout 76 before they changed the way pacifist mode works. Griefers would team up together, fast travel to an other player, wait for the player to attack an enemy, jump in front of the bullet/laser/weapon swing to get him pvp flagged, then mob him while stealing all his scrap. Luckily they changed pacifist mode so that accidentally attacking someone doesn't flag you anymore, much to the chagrin of the griefer crowd.

[@Corrodias]

I used a similar technique to harass a bot that I once spotted grinding in World of Warcraft. Its handler eventually noticed and ruined the fun, though.

[@Kreiser_VII]

"You can do whatever you want!!!" I remember one day just going outside thinking "I'll do whatever I want in search for my own adventure!", then I thought of what to do and how complicated everything was to do since it requires resources, effort and a ton of systems that are already in place so we can make things efficiently even for our own amusement, and thus I returned home after drinking some cola and played videogames.

[@BigPuddin]

Well, it's way easier to have players do the devs' jobs for them, isn't it? Then when the player count drops, they can whine about how the game is too "hardcore" for the casual masses or some such shittery.

[@BJGvideos]

Sometimes going to get a cola can be a sufficient adventure.

[@Yurikon3]

As cheesy as it sounds, it makes sense to have some clear goal in mind. Makes traveling through options more feasible when one does know to ask right questions.

[@blockhead134]

In the words of Yahtzee "I don't want to make my own fun THATS WHAT IM PAYING YOU FOR!"

[@insensitive919]

Sounds like a highdea.

[@Cyrillius1]

"the suicide button is quite large so it's like the game knows the players will, at some point, think about it" - lmao

[@Nerobyrne]

honestly, the best suicide was in Postal 2. If you pressed the button, your character would put a grenade in his mouth and put his hand on the pin. Then you had to press "DO IT" or something like that, and .... yeah Honestly, Postal 2 is an amazing game for just dicking around. Also, if you've ever been annoyed by the lack of edge in modern AAA games, this is the game for you ^^

[@alexvillain1540]

@@Nerobyrne hggggg

[@Shmandalf]

@@Nerobyrne Postal 2 10/10 would pee on people while flipping them off again.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@Shmandalf also peeing on yourself if you're on fire ^^ Although I think my favourite part was where you could throw a donut on the floor, then pee on it and a cop would come by and eat it.

[@Shmandalf]

@@Nerobyrne the cat shotgun silencer was maybe the most memorable for me

[@W_0_W]

I eat water every day. My mom learn me that when she spawn me.

[@baneblackguard584]

learnt... she learnt you that 8P

[@DsgSleazy]

@@baneblackguard584 imagine correcting someone and you both get it wrong

[@baneblackguard584]

@@DsgSleazy imagine being too slow to catch something flying over your head

[@user-lh1sh7gz9q]

@@baneblackguard584 ooo are you talking about mosquito? i tried several times and still fail. Got any tips?

[@greatbullet7372]

​@@user-lh1sh7gz9q someone will teach you hopefully. PUN INTENDED

[@snazzyjovialwyrm3314]

Honestly, respect to the devs for at least admitting that they were in over their heads with this game's development and started/released it too early. A lot of indie devs of hardcore games aren't willing to admit they did something wrong and instead try push to blame onto other stuff like while also treating their critics like trash.

[@Nyxnik]

If we take into account that MO2 which will release in 2 days looks like pretty much the same game, does that mean they didn't learn their lesson?

[@cobyskrilla119]

@@Nyxnik yes. It does seem to mean that. :/

[@DemothHymside]

Sadly, MO2 has had a disastrous launch with 95% of the players unable to play the game proper because they overestimated they ability to create a server structure.

[@zaferoph]

@@DemothHymside Well that and also they are making the exact same mistakes this time.

[@WlatPziupp]

@@Nyxnik It looks like they kind of knew how much it sucked shit when I tried a beta release. All gains of skills and resources were multiplied by 10 or so, and it was still a boring slog. Everything takes ages and there's nothing to do. You walk at a stone's pace so walking the wrong way makes quitting more and more appealing. The only thing that happened at any speed at all was the general chat, which was filled with apparent veteran players whining about new people trying the game and asking how it worked. It didn't seem like anyone were enjoying their time. Just a bunch of newbies asking if that shit was all there is, and a bunch of long time players bragging about how much shit they were eating and how much hostile and uninviting game design they endured to gobble those turds

[@DE-wq8cp]

As a band kid. leveling up your breathing technique is a real thing.

[@DsgSleazy]

Tell em

[@NdieCity]

Okay but this game is not about being a band kid

[@dlunas81]

@@NdieCity isn't it, though? Maybe that's the sweet endgame.

[@gingercore69]

Horn?

[@dlunas81]

Coming back for a second, due to notifications. What better game than a skill based grinder sandbox to set up a band nerd? What better world for marching than a barren hellscape of mediocrity? I'm also pissy that I paid for a subscription and they have no easy way to make it work.

[@MushVPeets]

This game doesn't have a UI, it has a "you... WHY?"

[@AIsForMan]

I played this game A LOT when I was younger. Spent many days selling tamed donkeys in the main city. Ended up being a tamer in a guild and going on trips to the jungle to tame big lizards. Surprisingly fun and engaging game - albeit a complete crapshoot to play.

[@mattallred]

Frequently you hear about people finding their MMO niche as a healer or tank or just grinding non-combat to make tons of money, but never have I heard of someone finding their niche taming donkeys and lizards.

[@AIsForMan]

@@mattallred they called me the jackass whisperer

[@mattallred]

@@AIsForMan that's amazing haha

[@eyoshinthemaximum]

@@AIsForMan wonderful

[@oddvoid]

I remember this game being an insane amount of fun. Granted I spend many, many hours as a ass-naked thief standing in the bank stealing other peoples gold before they could put it into the bank.

[@ZorotheGallade]

The fatal mistake this kind of games does is assuming there will be a large enough player base to create content, teach and mentor new players. Skimming over the simple fact that those players would need to have enough knowledge and enjoyment of the game to not quit out and stick around to teach new ones.

[@skullkid325]

Also skimming over the fact that 99% of people who play these types of games are dickheads who are just going to grief and run off any new players even when the game is literally on life support.

[@NetherHawk]

@Macho Sancho that's a dead game, why are you saying it like that's a lot of people?

[@noblesage58]

Believe it or not, there is. They will just kill you before they help you

[@youtube-kit9450]

​@Macho Sancho Not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're actually deluded enough to think 90 people is a lot.

[@Mashangi]

@@youtube-kit9450 Hey that was a thriving MMO community....in the 90's

[@CaptJABRONIE]

I'm new to the channel and late to the video, but as a Souls fan I freaking HATE that people consider maps "hand holding". Jesus guys. Go outside. Maps are a real thing that exist in the real world.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

so are guides, tutorials, etc also in the real world, but maps aren't *built in* to real life, you're not born with one always accessible. Maybe for younger people who have never not had a smartphone in their pockets. The last RPG I played (Disco Elysium) makes you purchase a map before you can look at the map, which is reasonable enough for me. you could say giving the player a map of every area they have never been to with an object (the map) that they didnt get themselves is a bit handholdy.

[@ariannadravis3934]

@@AdamOwenBrowning If your going on an adventure, why would you not buy a map before going at all? I do like the idea of buying Maps - Kinda like Hollow Knight tbh - but i feel you can easily give your player one map because they are going on an adventure and it makes logical sense to do so. No map system at all is absurd, and for modern games or futuristic ones, having an automatic world map makes sense

[@ariannadravis3934]

@@zayodadong Why would not having a map be immersive? Again, your exploring, adventuring - having a map IS more immersive because in the context of your character, they would obviously buy one before setting out. It's one thing to have a Hollow Knight system - buying maps as you go along, it's another to not have a map at all, that is unimersive.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Having no map for "Immersion" is not only untrue, but stupid as hell. You don't want an automatic map? K, let me buy one like in the real world. Let me buy a piece of paper to draw on like in the real world. Let me get up onto a tall tower and draw and mark stuff like in the real world, letting me level my "drawing" and "vision" skills to draw better maps and see further. Let me draw onto said maps and set markers any way I want to find stuff easier like in the real world. Then let me sell it to either other players or NPC travelers for money, like I would be able to in the real world. Let me draw pictures on blank pieces of paper, like in the real world. But oh, I guess it was easier to be lazy to say "No map is totally immersive and not stupid as hell" instead of putting effort into an actually immersive map system that rewards exploration, curiosity, skill, enthusiasm and all that stuff I thought those people cared about.

[@tobyadams2664]

Totally valid points. I also think having no map system just to be "immersive" is lazy. If devs want the game to be actually immersive and somewhat realistic, they could always craft a system that would reward exploration and your skill. Going on an advanture without buying or copying a map from a book is absolutely stupid in the first place. If they don't want players to have a map since the beginning since it would be too "hand-holdy" they could always make players work for it, buy it, copy it down from a book like I've mention before or just let players slowly "update" their map on a paper the more you've explored and move around in the world. There is actually one game I've played that employed the same system (can't remember the name off of the top of my head but it's a single player) the map is basically a blank piece of paper when you spawned in and it shows more and more as you explore. It's basically the same as player drawing a map down on a paper as they are going around. Now that's doing it right to be immersive.

[@shizanketsuga8696]

25:29 Dude, that's not swimming. That's slowly drowning in a mostly horizontal direction.

[@alexreilly6121]

.....With style.

[@bigmclargehuge8219]

God dammit I lost a sneeze cause I started laughing at this comment.

[@shizanketsuga8696]

@@bigmclargehuge8219 I am sorry. I hope you find that sneeze again. ^^

[@scintillam_dei]

I swim like a dog because I never learned to time my breathing right, being scared I would inhale water instead of air. But backwards I can swim right although my legs are buff so they sink.... One time I had a gringa swimming instructor who told me to just let go at the surface of a deep pool. I told her I would sink, but she said to do it anyway. I sunk, and she had to help me get back up. She underestimated my muscles. It's weird to have scrawny arms but buff legs. One time a robber thought I was weak everywhere. My pants hid my strength, and I used my legs to put that shithead in his place. DEVS VVLT

[@enzy5002]

"Crap we need a voice actor for the combat tutor!" *looks out window* Hey you! Wanna try some voice acting? "I could give it a try.. I'm a little baked though" "Sounds great. Could you possibly mix our audio too?"

[@SpydersByte]

that last line, lmao.

[@masterplusmargarita]

Been binging these for a couple days, and one of my favourite things is when Josh manages to have a positive interaction with another player. I can't put my finger on what, but there's something that always gives the impression he's happy about it and values the interaction, and that always makes me smile.

[@insensitive919]

Strangers in the night...

[@JaczSolar]

I don't think that a day/night cycle NEEDS any gameplay mechanics. It would be nice with mechanics of course, but just the day/night cycle can be good for the atmosphere.

[@rileycorrigan5593]

Yeah, I think he's being hypocritical there. Even when the day night cycle *does* have mechanics he finds that bad. I think the better take would be that the devs didn't need to do it, thus they should have invested that time into the more important parts of the game.

[@Nerobyrne]

best example was Risen 1. The nights were so dark, and there wasn't really much in terms of a HUD, so you more or less saw what your character would see. That means that if you were foolish enough to walk through the forest at night, the ONLY source of light was your torch. And you needed both hands to fight, meaning you had to drop it. It didn't go out, though, but instead created a circle of light for you to fight in. That was one of the most atmospheric games I've ever played. No real mechanics about the day/night cycle other than lighting, but that was more than enough.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@thomaswilliams6690 yeah, but I just realized they also made people go to bed at night because there was a whole thieving system

[@ignitedrowlets5776]

yeah this is a point that I thought was odd that he brought up as a negative, it's not bad too have it in a game if it has no mechanics tied to it

[@maxwellsterling]

Much as I love this man, sometimes he gets a bit carried away with stuff like that; it's like "we thought it'd be cool" sometimes just isn't a valid answer as to why something's in the game, for some reason.

[@basedshaman6183]

Being a new player on mortal online is like being a new born in a world that doesn’t want you...

[@greatbullet7372]

You mean its ultimative realistic?

[@BlackjackN7]

So it's pretty much like being born a girl in china.

[@SquaulDuNeant]

@@greatbullet7372 no.

[@swishfish8858]

So it's like being born.

[@mechanomics2649]

@@Zarryon12 Believe in Planned Parenthood? What does that even mean? Planned Parenthood is an organization, not a god.

[@MuffinMous]

The combat tutor in this game sounds like hes going to teach me how to pick up women like a true sigma male.

[@Zman14888]

"Maps are for wimps!" -Some lost guy

[@AghiTron]

Also the guy with a jpeg of the map in an incognito tab

[@BigPuddin]

Even fucking Ultima Underworld had maps. And the whole point of that game was that you were lost in a hostile environment and had to take your own notes and make your own reference points to find your way. Here it's just...wander around with no points of reference or obvious landmarks until you stumble upon some bullshit.

[@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork]

Learning a game map from landmarks/just exploring is actually not a drawback. I do this in real life all the time, and both bring satisfaction.

[@dingerdanger1570]

My favorite thing about this game was that if your character was overweight you did more magic damage. The meta of fat mages on little fast ponies casting earthquake was actually pretty hilarious to behold. Great times. It was kind of a unique experience going out guarding caravans or planning ambushes on their supply routes to the mines and what not

[@darinpringle5611]

Maybe mana is stored as fat?

[@bricecube320]

@@darinpringle5611 Makes sense.

[@Bozemoto]

Before the game launched I helped kickstart it cause I'm Swedish and was studying game dev at the time. Solidarity etc. Then after the game launched it automatically started taking subscription payments out of my bank account. Stopped it after one but they said I couldn't get a refund. Never been so angry at a company, this was at a time when I had no income. Scummy company.

[@RMeitzen]

Oof, this is why I don't support kickstarter and early access games. You either release a finished product or you don't. People should learn to not spend hard earned cash on a promise.

[@Bozemoto]

@@RMeitzen I didn't mind spending the money on the kickstarter. I minded the predatory money grabbing.

[@farlonmuentes6004]

They could do that? I've never helped kickstarting anything. I thought it was just a one time type of donation.

[@Bozemoto]

@@farlonmuentes6004 To sign in to beta test I had to fill out the forms etc. So I beta tested for like an hour and then didn't touch it for like 6-8 months after which they charged me money. Wasn't even on my radar.

[@kuroiaima]

@@Bozemoto that's weird cause i remember i had to enable my subscription once the closed beta test ended

[@rolfs2165]

4:27 "You see a difference?" Yes, 'sprinting' has twice as much camera wobble.

[@tayloraldridge3063]

That voice over would be great for communication through a radio between pilots in a sci fi game. Absolutely horrible here. I do a better job in my office

[@AunCollective]

It's like trying to decipher a weak SSB voice signal in a low power, long distance HF amateur radio contact.. with loud classical music playing in the background. Such an odd issue to make it past QA but it seems they were resource-strapped over the last 1-2 years .

[@dorderre]

honestly that voice is pretty awesome, I like it very much. The voice "acting" tho is just horrible, it's like he's just reading out some manual or phone book

[@jakea4558]

@@dorderre Sounds like a history collage student reading out his speech on ancient combat. The fact that its one of the few or maybe only voice acting and it cannot be skipped and must be listened in its entirety tells me one this. Whoever made this game made that voice over and it really was a disservice to the game.

[@ironrose6]

I've taken conference calls in bathrooms with better audio.

[@maxmogavero952]

Literally phoned it in

[@Graylord88]

I love how the developer reflects on their mistakes and the validity of the game as a concept in of itself. Then immediately turns around and makes the exact same game again.

[@Leaf__22]

Lmao yeah

[@justdrop]

I hope every day they wake up they step on Legos.

[@mikesol1162]

"Time to tactically advance away from the enemy" LOL! Thanks for the laugh.

[@drummerboy737]

The idea of anyone criticizing this game knowing how to "tactically advance away from enemies" is intensely comedic. I might get a hernia.

[@mikesol1162]

​@@drummerboy737 There is no reason to actively defend any game or any game company. The game designers don't know you. They do not care about you. You are just a credit card number to them.

[@drummerboy737]

@@mikesol1162 clearly you don't know the history of mortal but to follow your argument you're right in any other case and in that event I would point out I'm defending a game and an idea and not a group of people. Just so happens to be this group pf people are the only ones with the continence to follow through on their vision and stop bending over to every single crying whiner that can't figure out what a good game actually is. I'll defend this game, and this type of game in this decade or the next so better keep your stam high bud🥱

[@mikesol1162]

@@drummerboy737 I care only about final product, not ideas, not visions, only final product. And this one looks terrible. If it isn't, then I will just have to miss out then.

[@drummerboy737]

@@mikesol1162 I never care what a person whose never played a real product thinks, for sure not ten years later. critics never learn how to do much let alone have a valid opinion of complex combat, commerce and community systems, none of which can be learned ten years after the fact. Yes you completely missed out. The only way you won't now is luck and a developer completely ignoring people's advice like this which is why I get tired of repeatedly seeing untrue opinions. This video is pretty much more proof people don't recognize good games, why they don't know, and why they keep paying for bad games when they could have payed for good ones. If it had been offered 10 years earlier there would be a bunch of people actually correcting it.

[@-0rbital-]

Can you play a necromancer in this game? I imagine they would be a key part of any zombie-head-based economy.

[@saltee8460]

Mo2 is unfinished so no, necromancy is planned and might come within the next couple months. They plan to have around 30 magic schools.

[@-0rbital-]

@@saltee8460 Sounds like the class to be if you want to make a lot of money.

[@GodOfPlague]

You can wear a players skin if you kill them if I remember right though

[@-0rbital-]

@@GodOfPlague That’s pretty cool.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@saltee8460 sounds needlessly complicated, just like the rest of the game ^.^ At that point, why not just make one school and have levels for every spell?

[@Tweakey]

The voice acting sounded like someone talking to you through a medieval discord.

[@AwareWolfOnWheels]

So.... Teamspeak then.

[@CLOCKWORKWARMACHINE]

man that guard ran in like he'd been waiting for that dog to slip up

[@godspeedhero3671]

The tutorial section had me rollin'! lol 16:42 : A brit encounters American Southern Vernacular English

[@exactinmidget92]

i remember playing this game not knowing what to do and getting killed in the starting zone by some dude in full plate armor and a horse.

[@connorwaples6467]

That's a strange weapon.

[@justdrop]

@@connorwaples6467 Tell that to Kenneth Pinyan

[@MidnightSt]

actual plans of actual medieval castles are... about 10 to 20 times smaller than people think. the interior of the keep was literally about the size of a medium apartment.

[@notoriousbig3k]

Ever seen the lounge house of the vikinge? They has huge mead halls

[@MegaRagingBunny]

that is false, there is a difference between a castle and the keep. The keep could be small, the castle could hold a village.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@notoriousbig3k well, mead halls are very different from castles. Mead halls were basically our modern town halls. You didn't occupy them when they weren't needed. But castles were for year-round living, which is why many rooms in the keep were small. Smaller rooms are a lot easier to heat if all you have are fires. Also they didn't have air-tight windows, meaning it was basically always drafty.

[@SquaulDuNeant]

it depend on what your talking about.

[@MidnightSt]

@@SquaulDuNeant i am talking about medieval castles.

[@LunaProtege]

"Full loot" MMOs immediately have several problems they need to solve if they want to avoid alienating players immediately: The two that come to mind are having a sense of progression that remains even if you lose all your gear, and a means by which early game players can avoid being predated by higher level players. My first solution to these problems are that in addition to levels, the players should be able to obtain a form of property other than gear that is difficult (if not impossible) to loot, such as a business investment; and the latter can be partly dealt with by having the game pay out bounties on anyone who steals player gear or attacks another player without jumping through a few hoops. Obviously, there are more problems, but it may create an equilibrium.

[@d0k0night]

But the more you add these kinds of systems, the more it'll actually alienate the core audience, which is - let's face it - the kind of audience that takes pleasure in griefing. The more they can reset your progress back to zero, the better.

[@zomgl2pnoobffs]

One of the things I have to repeat to newbies in Eve Online: ships -- analogous to gear and bag contents -- are consumables. But in Eve you do indeed keep your business investments, cash balance, etc. You take a risk when you undock. There should be room for more MMOs like that.

[@Poldovico]

Maybe make killing a newbie more or less worthless to a higher level player. Set it up so the value of items starts out low and doesn't increase much initially, with a fairly sharp ramp a little later in the experience, once a player can be expected to have found their footing and pose a reasonable threat to even a higher level attacker. Or do something like EVE's security levels in different zones so attacking someone in the starting areas will get the OP police after you. Move to the more dangerous areas, and it becomes the wild west.

[@yaboi2500]

@@d0k0night That core audience consists of about 1k people total, so any game that is too hardcore dies almost instantly.

[@sir_slimestone3797]

Albion does something like this well, every piece of a gear has two levels associated with it, it's own level and then a level for it's gear category, the higher they are the more effective that item is, if you die you keep your levels, and your money. You only lose the gear and whatever was in your inventory. It also helps that T4 and T5 gear is pretty cheap(I can earn enough for a T4 set in 15 minutes) while being decently effective and that there are safe zones where full loot is disabled(with less reward in said zones). This keeps the full loot aspect from being too punishing and still keeps the fun part of killing someone in a full loot zone.

[@ugib8377]

As a Mortal Online vet watching your review of this game was both hilarious, and melancholy. I had the fortune of getting to this game when it still had life, albeit it was in the process of dying. But there was enough of a population to have functional and stocked markets, wandering groups of adventurers and murderers alike. In my time playing I've clocked over 2700 hours on steam. It is a very niche game, the crafting system is probably one of the most complex and fun crafting systems I've ever seen. Armor/Weapons/Foods and pretty much anything else you can create can use a myriad of different ingredients. For instance, you can scrape a living as a sewer dwelling bandit. Kill players who wander down there, butcher their corpses for skin/bone/flesh. Use the bone to create weapons, skin for armor, and flesh for food. Repurpose or sell their gear as well. Mining isn't just smelting ores. There is a complex system to breaking rock down to ore, crushing ore for minerals. Refining these minerals with a catalyst to yield metals to work with. It has an incredible breeding system in the game. Multiple different types of horses all with different strengths and weaknesses can be bred. Where the babies take on random traits from either parent, with some time (It takes 4 irl hours for a breeding session to complete) and a lot of gold to fund it. You can breed mounts capable of faster movement than any naturally occurring mount in the game and with some skill you can breed in high strength and endurance too. It also doesn't end with horses, as there are a Lizard mount (Lykiators) and pack animals (Molvas) that can be tamed and bred for different purposes as well. This game also has a thievery skill set. The ONLY game I've seen that actually allows you to pick items out of other players inventories. I spent a LONG time as a thief in Tindrem. Cultivating your actual pickpocket skills are only a fraction of what was needed to succeed. As being able to run/jump/ and out stamina your pursuers was just as important. You needed to know every nook to hide away in, every roof you could jump to that someone in full plate armor could not. If you were fortunate enough to band with a few other thieves, you could stage distractions so your comrades could pick the target and slip away undetected. Or even plant the picked loot on you, who had no criminal flag for stealing. Easy money. The devs definitely fucked up on this one. It is a sad story. There came a time where they just threw their hands up and said fuck it. Then Mortal 2 was announced and it was more of the same honestly. In less than a year it went from 10k active on steam (To the point where the server couldn't handle the load) to an average player count of around 1k per day. Which is even worse than it was when I started playing the first game. I will miss this game. I still pop on every now and again and roll a toon or two in Haven to get my nostalgia fix, before the lack of players drives me away again. So many great stories and memories on this disjointed mess of a game. My only regret is that I didn't have more time to play before it died completely.

[@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork]

relatable

[@CaspianNomad]

So much failed potential it's sad.

[@nobodyspecial1553]

My friend years ago coerced me into playing this game with him. "It's like a hardcore Skyrim," he said. As soon as the game loaded in I knew I wasn't going to like it. I definitely tried to like it, but a fun game this is not. I think the failure of this game is not due to its "hardcore nature" that we "casuals" just can't appreciate as many might say-as Dark Souls proved that to be false with its success-but it was rather due to developers who hadn't the foggiest on how to actually make this style of game fun... as you basically said in the video...

[@ToastyWaffle456]

This game in a very large way fails because of it's hardcore and full-loot nature. This in combination with what people experience at the surface level, clunky gameplay and highly different mechanics that also interact in unique ways forces them out because they can't stomach the game, which is understandable. There is little to no information to discover online for much of the game's activities and mechanics as well but that is what aided in the experience for the people that enjoyed it. When the new players feel lost and can't research their questions while simultaneously dealing with the constant threat of PVP everywhere and pickpocket thieves running around the two main cities they very often leave the game but the people who persist find something special in a weird way. There is no other MMO I have played with the same sense of discovery and when you meet other people going through the same experience it is so enjoyable that the overall clunky feeling of the game becomes almost irrelevant. The skill system wasn't a grindy waste of time like most other MMOs are when it comes to their leveling systems either which means the pace of early gameplay is very high once you get over the initial learning. Most MMOs make you spend 10s to 100s of hours to reach a point where the gameplay actually matters in terms of the value of items you acquire and content you engage with etc. With this game you can reach the skill-caps of 100 within one to two weeks depending on your total hours invested each day. This means in Mortal the end game starts almost right away so there is a rush of excitement at the rate of character progression while learning the game, especially when done with others. This 3D, first-person only Ultima-like game combined with the lack of information created such a unique experience. There was value in learning what resources came from where, such as plate scales and in what they could be used for and how they compared to others in terms of hardness and weight for armor and weapons. Even something as simple as the learning of routes from people who lived in particular areas was useful. Magic such as elemental or necromancy wasn't well known either so when you saw someone with an abomination or creating ice golems and affecting the weather of the local area it had meaning to the solo players and players in less connected groups. I just wished the surface of the game was far more well done, along the lines of Skyrim or Mount and Blade so the game could've managed to grow to be far more healthy. One of the biggest detractors for new players was that ugly surface-level that further kills their morale when they don't have a grasp of what they can do in the game yet. Mortal II seems to fix that so the current issue that remains unfixed is the lack of content for highly progressed PVE players which to me is crucial for the game to sustain itself above 1000 players. Without a healthy PVE community in a game like this the PVP wolves lose their content as well.

[@nobodyspecial1553]

@@ToastyWaffle456 You make many valid points though the only thing I'm worried about from what I've seen from Mortal 2 so far is the cities still seem obnoxiously big with not much in them, I hope they get better at doing cities over time because they're not fun to traverse. I definitely plan to at least try Mortal 2 at some point as it looks pretty promising.

[@MoonMoverGaming]

Hardcore Skyrim is Skyrim with the Frostfall and Campire installed, and fast travel disabled. Seriously, I may never go back.

[@nobodyspecial1553]

@@MoonMoverGaming I may just give that a shot.

[@mineuser5395]

It is very enjoyable if you get past the casual aspect, it takes time and effort to get into. Don't shit on the devs because you can't handle the game. It's not their fault you are incompetant. This game is the best sandbox mmo, it died but it had it's run. Don't talk shit on something you didn't get too far into.

[@teirdalin]

"They are making Mortal 2." >Literally makes the same exact mistakes in Mortal 2.

[@commentsforthealgorithm]

Dude...thought my phone gamma was down XD it's just that dark

[@trevorweisberg8470]

I do appreciate when the developers admit to their mistakes instead of trying to spin their shit sandwich into being gourmet.

[@DustinBarlow8P]

I would honestly just buy the game on pure principal when the developer is that genuine/transparent.

[@BigPuddin]

@@DustinBarlow8P Don't. They're disingenuous pieces of shit, and Mortal Online 2 is barely different from this one.

[@noricoco4695]

The mumbling, unaffected Canadian voice acting is 🙌

[@jeffreywood924]

The VO sounds like it was done over a land line phone in 1993....

[@scintillam_dei]

Canada is the home of libtardation.

[@xChaosFlower]

I love how every MMO that claims to be hardcore either removes useful and basic features or makes features unnecessarily complicated to to simulate being difficult.

[@sl-corp8425]

fun fact .... i live in one of the biggest Cities in my country (bulgaria and the City is Varna) and we have a graveyard in the middle of the city .... for the sole reason that it was choosen as a place many years ago and technically was outside the city at that time but ..... 50-70 years later the city devoured it

[@Nightweaver1]

Holy shit, it's literally the meme of "You Have Researched Breathing," the Game.

[@dean.478]

I was worried MO would should up in one of these reviews. I bought this game at launch. I've still got a 'loot bag' edition on the shelf. Bought it on the promise of a spiritual successor to the Ultima Online type sandbox with a refreshing fantasy setting... it managed to head in that direction but never quite found its way... it really is a shame. I sincerely hope MO2 succeeds. But I'm not paying $$$ to test it for them and I'm certainly not paying for a copy at release this time. My sub lapsed a couple of months ago and that was the last MMO I could be bothered with anymore...

[@kenobi9532]

But MO did deliver.... maybe if u stuck around a lil more after launch, cause the game got amazing

[@andrevonthyssen4086]

Mortal online 2 Combat is much fun ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ2bf2SBnqt7gbs

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@kenobi9532 no

[@kenobi9532]

@@DeosPraetorian ?

[@cactuss33ds]

@@kenobi9532 is your cope still keeping this piece of shit and its sequel alive?

[@alexandermiller4438]

Watching this after FFXIV's endwalker expansion. No one show him the grapes from the initial launch

[@IamCoalfoot]

Seeing that hub city kind of makes me want to see a game that builds exactly that city... with little slum houses clogging up all the streets. Like the city was planned, but then failed, and people just dumped their houses wherever they would fit. Sounds cool.

[@inquisitorwhitemane9722]

"You can have any colour you like. So long as it's black."

[@corsaircarl9582]

This is the kind of game that designed for people who would love if looting was "Click your mouse for every finger on your hand."

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

God there are so many gems from JSH in this entire series. I genuinely find myself laughing out loud repeatedly throughout these. Masterpiece.

[@schinzox1261]

the moment the suicide button came into play, i was sure of the way this video was going to end xD

[@jonrath4731]

I find it fascinating. I’ve never heard of this game. As shown, it clearly has bad game design, but there seems to be a number of people defending it here in the comments. Just goes to show, it comes down to what grabs you. Some people are looking forward to the sequel, so it will be interesting to see how that turns out.

[@charlessmith6964]

Mate people like me played it for like 7+ years non stop, its unrivalled

[@jonrath4731]

@@charlessmith6964 Yeah, exactly. It just comes down to what grabs you. It's like a game called Fallen Earth. That was very Mad Max with lots of crafting and stuff. I enjoyed it, but only played it off and on. Eventually died because of low player numbers. Different people enjoy different things.

[@andrevonthyssen4086]

Mortal online 2 Combat is much fun ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ2bf2SBnqt7gbs

[@xursed7990]

Mortal Online was actually amazing.

[@thiswebsitesucksTBH]

bet those people will get their account information stolen by hackers again LOL

[@anormalguy8407]

not gonna lie. lving skills sounds like a cool thing to have in a mmo

[@stevenedwards7398]

then play ultima a good mmo with this mechanic not mortal online lol

[@malachishaner690]

Wow classic professions are pretty dope

[@DoorknobTheOgryn]

Everquest...several basic skills level in the same way . Use them to get better, even resting but it's called meditation. You cant just expect to go from a one hand slashing to a 2 handed blunt and perform the same.

[@geezy12310]

Play black desert online and be good for a few years

[@geezy12310]

@@sonfable8809 you play? My gs 480

[@TheDragongod1128]

As someone who played this game "back in its hay day" it was just as bad. It had a lot of great ideas, which is why I sunk around 300 hours into it, but I couldn't get past the toxic community. When you give players the "freedom to do anything" they only end up becoming assholes and assholes will kill a game faster than bugs. I'm sure this game was good for people with no life outside of the game with near endless hours to sink into it, but if you had a life you wanted to live outside of the game, or a job, you couldn't be asked to try because it would be a waste of time. The game has a lot of great ideas, but the team behind it, it seemed, couldn't keep the players interested. Such a shame, MO2 looks like it could improve on the first one, but I wouldn't hold my breath, though I'm happy to be suprised if it is fantastic. I hope all the furious defenders of the game aren't looking through rose colored nostalgia glasses like it seems they are.

[@chazdomingo475]

@@fitz394 It's a fun game.

[@nikalasnalter4431]

lol go play fortnite!!

[@justdrop]

@@nikalasnalter4431 People like you make me glad both games died.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

This MMO looks like one of those "works of love" The heart is there, but they are way out of their league! Half of the ideas could have worked, for a smaller RPG game. I think many game designers would do best at starting with slightly simpler ideas at times. Things you can quicker get running, keep running, and offer you quicker feeding back in potential improvements.

[@protestthebread1046]

You're not wrong, but the dev's were always upfront a 'work of love' is exactly what they intended it to be. The population was never very high, but the game wasn't built to make a profit (AFAIK), really. I'm sure the dev's appreciated any one else willing to throw some money their way, but they just wanted to make the game they dreamed.

[@s0dramatic]

I love your humor, subscribed for that :D

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Thanks for the sub alex, hope you enjoy the content :)

[@WhispTheFox]

Actually, as a grammar and writing student, saying, "I will learn you," is acceptable. It's an archaic verb synonymous with teaching. The reason it feels out of place is because none of the other language used is archaic. As such, use of the old verb makes little sense and sounds out of place.

[@cashnelson2306]

The phrase being so out of place pretty heavily implies it's just bad writing that just happened to stumble across an actual archaic phrase

[@WhispTheFox]

@@cashnelson2306 yeah

[@willnottel5598]

"I will learn you" actually did strike me a normal phrasing, it's something you might hear from someone with some types thick US southern accent. I just figured Josh wouldn't know that since he's from the UK. Really cool to hear about it having archaic roots though, very neat!

[@CommissarMitch]

The "move mouse for different attack arcs" they took from Mount and Blade. There every weapon have a long swing so even if you do not do a direct hit you can still deal big damage.

[@jacksepticeyesdadisburning7982]

I feel bad for the archer guy, saying that he was playing on his third character. It's sad that people get so involved in shitty games that they cannot make themselves to leave, as they have already invested too much time into it. This is why dead server-bound games should close down their servers and free the trapped souls that are unable to leave by their own accord.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

But then devs couldn't drain them for cash

[@pabloluisalcala-velasco4727]

Not really. Its a fun and cute little mmorpg, with a big world and lots of stuff to do. The goals you make are what progresses not what the game tells you to do. The majority of the playerbase is playing MO2, but theres still enough cool things to keep you occupied. In the end it fills a niche

[@randygross5217]

well he must like the game if he has 3 toons it doesn't seem shit in his eyes I wouldn't want to shut the game down on him that seems selfish just because other people who don't play don't like the game and think someone should play what they think they should play. lol

[@randygross5217]

@@sanctumsomega nah

[@Cevanth]

​@@pabloluisalcala-velasco4727 this amount of copium should be illegal, are you okay buddy?

[@Psycked]

This is a pretty on the nose, no beat around the bush review ha. You make very valid points and most will agree... even the developer has acknowledged this. The charm of this kind of game does have real potential for those of us of the UO days. Yes they are making MO2; it is all on them if it fails again, you want to say optimistically they will succeed this time around. Let's all hope for the best! Looking forward to your future review of MO2 =)

[@Leispada]

I did NOT expect that huge sprawling city after all of that time on the empty island

[@RailfoxStudios]

10:00 Thank you for your sacrifice, Josh. It was all worth it for this moment. Dormag be with you.

[@adamradford8053]

JSH: "you can not 'learn' a person a thing" Rural America: "well yes, but actually no"

[@LlamasOnJUPITER]

any of the many languages other than english which use the same word for learn and teach: "well no"

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@LlamasOnJUPITERthe fact that english uses the same word "know" referring to being accustomed to people and being informed about things shows how weird language can be. Or that in some languages you don't "are years" but "have years".

[@roadsidecamper]

There's actually an auction hall to buy weapons near where the naked guy was. Funny but truthful review. The one plus I would give it would be the variations in crafting materials. The down side to that however is that you HAD to use certain materials for those items to be any good. Yet another example of being you can do what you want, but if you don't do it this way your just wasting your time.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

If I'd use cooking as analogy, it's like making pizza. You can put basically everything together, but there are some combinations that taste great and other combinations that are just a waste of food.

[@andrewsipich9762]

I like how the ground is so dark it’s hard to gauge distance

[@marlysalt]

The "Learn you good" or "learn you" as a phrase is a rural southern american dialect thing. Used with intent and consistency, it can paint certain stereotypes onto characters and help add depth to an accented one. I don't know if it was intentional character building or not in this case.

[@TheDapperDragon]

Doubt it. Since a lot of the time, it's used as an ironic, post bad thing line. For example: playing Mortal Online and expecting a good game? That'll learn ya.

[@evilfrenchguy]

Dark Messiah of Might & Magic has a very similar combat system and it felt pretty good IMO. The weapon animations had more natural weight to them though--daggers were quick and springy while the staff had more wind-up and flourish to balance the range. Not a perfect game at all, but it employed this combat system to good effect.

[@chazdomingo475]

I played this game with a spear and it felt good. And feels better as you level up your skill. He wasn't quite getting the "rhythm" of the combat and also he had no skill so the game is intentionally clumsy when you have no skill. The problem with this game is it had terrible netcode and desync and lag would just eat a lot of hits.

[@hotaru8309]

That wasn't "voice acting" that was just "voice."

[@alanaran1575]

UGGGGH I bought into this back in the day. I pre-ordered and everything. I loved Wurm Online and my buddy happened upon a group (that later became Aegis Imperium, a big clan/faction of Mortal Online) though we only really played with them for a week or so while building a big ass castle and deforesting a mountain on Wurm's tutorial Island. We played until MO came out but I couldn't keep up with MO's updates. My internet was so bad that 1GB was about a day of downloading and they wouldn't just PATCH the game, we had to download the entire client for every update. So I had to give it up. The skill system was similar to Wurm and I liked that. But, once we got into Mortal and played, it was WAY more complicated. I loved the IDEA of Mortal, but the execution was terrible. I just went back to playing Wurm until the community got so spread thin it was like playing solo. I still remember a forum post something along the lines of: "My dad's sending me to boot camp because I stayed up late to download the alpha and he walked in to see a dozen naked men running through the forest together with bare flopping dicks.... So, I wont be able to play anymore..."

[@notmewtwo4044]

Lol yeah the boy wont see any flopping dicks in boot camp at all.

[@echomjp]

So yeah, my brief experience with this game was as follows: Chop wood randomly for a while. Die horribly to a random criminal. Respawn, find a group willing to give me some skill books and show me how to play, get robbed by a completely naked man who takes my gear right off of me without my character apparently noticing. Only to be told that - apparently - he can rob you inside a bank/library in full view of a dozen people while completely naked with no guard reaction, unless you type an obscure chat command to have the guards come and help you that no new player would know. From that, I decided it wasn't for me. Not because it was too difficult - but because it clearly was not designed to be fair. I can understand difficult or unforgiving games, but when they trend towards allowing people to exploit things like that against new players - it breaks my immersion immensely. I don't mind perma-death either. I like games that use that as part of an immersive experience. But the game allowing naked people to rob you in the middle of supposedly guarded towns without any guard thinking they are suspicious in the first place, shows a distinct lack of effort.

[@gianfrancoortizvera6161]

That’s respectable and agreeable

[@justdrop]

You ain't never been robbed on the toilet man??

[@robertdeelen6685]

i am actually impressed at the honesty and self reflection of the developers, THIS is how you improve! I also think, that the flaws of mortal 1 are too many and too fundamental to actually justify fixing them, i hope the devs learned from their past mistakes and mortal 2 shows that.

[@FlaxeMusic]

They didn't learn a thing. I have 700 hours in MO2. Like most, I have now exited for good. It's a pile of dogshit and we were lost in the sauce waiting for it to get better. It still hasn't, to this day. Sold 100 thousand copies, 10 thousand people active in the discord on launch, now? 600 avg concurrent players this week, dropping steadily, dead as an MMO could possibly be, and they deserve it. They learned nothing.

[@Snerdles]

Seeing the admissions of the mistakes of the original just make me want to try MO2 even more. They have an open stress test coming up on March 25th. You should do a comparison.

[@merchination163]

Mo2 is identical with a graphics overhaul.

[@Snerdles]

@@merchination163 I played the MO2 stress test and am having lots of fun. Looking forward to trying it out once it launches. I think I might get in to cooking, gathering, and moving goods. I'm not that great at PVP games but the constant threat always makes games more fun for me so MO2 might be right up my alley.

[@saltee8460]

@@merchination163 They plan to change the game up a bit but of course it isn't going to be a completely different game dude what do you expect.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@saltee8460 when people release an entirely separate game with "two" on the other end, some sane customers actually expect what is promised: a sequel. A second game in the series; not a repolished and re-released version of the same game.

[@Garward]

@@AdamOwenBrowning it was more a mass rewrite of the entire game than an actual sequel and they have been doing a really good job with it

[@Kilmoran]

That castle/keep in the side of the mountain you died at actually is occupied by bandits. You just cannot see the living while you are dead.

[@pumpkinicing]

This is my comfort series, and I do love how Josh just sometimes runs into people who love the terrible little games they're playing and who offer to help him out. It's one of the best things about MMOs- random acts of kindness from people higher level than you- and its always nice to see people who genuinely love these games despite their flaws. Like sure, I would never play this, but this guy has 5600 hours in it and he's clearly having some fun, and that makes me happy.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Those random moments are what I spend a lot of time with. In one MMO I played for quite a while we always had a group of high level players at the end of the first island, close to the first dungeon. The enemies there are scaled for players around lv 10-15, so having a couple lv 100+ players around seems intimidating at first, but all we did was standing around talking. And ressing and buffing new players. But also cultivating a positive player culture. Nice people and teaching new players not only how systems work, but also that being nice will be rewarded.

[@krodmandoon3479]

1:12 Ah yes, the four classic fantasy races: white human, black human, amish human, and JonTron.

[@kuroiaima]

Breathing technique skill is about swimming and diving skill, that's something you can actually learn irl

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

That's correct. And yet i instantly knew how to swim and dive correctly without needing swimming lessons in game? If they're going to be ultra realistic and let me level my breathing, i should need to start swimming by wearing floaty armbands and taking a few weeks of lessons.

[@Dimitri88888888]

@@JoshStrifeHayes There are limits to everything lol. By that logic might as well make the character not know how to swing a sword or speak a language or read etc. What you are proposing is absolutely ridiculous. That game isn't a simulator.

[@0grilo0]

@@JoshStrifeHayes you can just jump in naked and you will lvl up swimming very fast... ofc if you jump to the watter with a sword and rocks on your pocket... well you get it... i spent 5 months in that game as a lone noob... only then i truly learned how to play the game... and just like real life... the most important thing you need is knowledge... after that the game gets way easier... i hope mortal 2 doesnt change... only mortal gave you full life lessons to learn without any hand holding... and i loved every second of it...

[@terrydrake8444]

@@JoshStrifeHayes actually in your video it was very clear you where horrible at swimming and diving...lol skills you aquire by being athletic and in practice of swimming and diving same as in real life

[@RighBread]

@@Dimitri88888888 You're telling him what he is proposing is ridiculous while trying to defend "breathing" as a trainable skill in a video game. You can also learn how to more efficiently clip your toenails irl, but that doesn't mean it's something that would translate well in a video game, or that it would be something most people would enjoy leveling up. The ultimate point here is that a game does not necessarily benefit from having a massive number of skills, and it actually tends to make the game feel bloated, while the skills themselves and the way they are leveled/what they effect seems completely arbitrary.

[@Shachza]

Josh, I just want to say that I appreciate the pain you go through to do these. I really do. Somehow, through all that suffering, you find those weird nuggets of funny hidden between glitches and ill-placed scenery, and they are all the more glorious for it. Thank you.

[@serendipitygaming6785]

This game used to have a lot of people around, but since mortal online 2 is releasing late this year or sometime next year ( i think ) this game has announced its death and if its something i know with games is that when ever they announce a shut down for the server, usually the population leaves and waits for the next game. So this is quite late for this game :D

[@PKAdventures]

ya, i last played this game a little over 4 years ago, so before the starter area. if i remember correctly, it was way easier to figure out back then, and there was always at least a few hundred people on that would answer any questions you had. also, there was a good amount of things to kill near the city you were at towards the end of the vid, but that could of changed for some stupid reason. there's also a noob area out a different exit of the city that has places to mine, chop down trees, hunt, pick flowers herbs and mushrooms... you can also train animals and have them fight for you. o, and you can spend hours farming, then run back to town, sell everything off, and instantly have some prick pickpocket you and trade your stack of cash for an apple. but now you know that pickpocketing is a thing, so you decide "ok, i'll buy premium for 1 month so i can steel other people's shit, because someone stole my shit. also, after spending days chopping down trees, mining, and taming pets you have maxed out some skills and need premium to advance any further.". so you get premium, you lvl your skills, pickpocket all the things, and get bored as hell of the game and decide to quit and move on to something better. so you cancel your subscription and move on with your life. about a year later you're checking your finances because something doesn't seem quite right, and you notice that that shitty game has still been charging you for premium, even though you canceled your subscription. so you spend weeks arguing back and forth through emails with their garbage customer service people that take days to reply. finally you end up canceling your credit card, because not only did they refuse to return the money they illegally took from your account, even though you sent them a screenshot of the confirmation page stating that you had canceled your subscription and a screenshot of steam showing when you last played. but now, 3 weeks after their first reply to your original email where they had promised that your account had finally been canceled, they have charged you for the next months subscription. the game was fun for a little while back then, primarily because of the community, and we believed that they would keep working on it. i personally spent a few hundred hours on it. but i will *NEVER* play it or any other game that has any connection to that team ever again. unless it is 100% free, and does not require as much as an email address to play. the whole thing made me feel kinda like a Chronicles of Elyria backer, except i actually got to play the game. but ya, to sum it up, *fuck that game and the people who made it*

[@melvingleis4972]

while watching this vid I got a email telling me to join the alpha of mortal online 2

[@petrotheburglar9850]

lucky bastard

[@peternystrom921]

Im sorry for you, to waste time on that.

[@andrevonthyssen4086]

Mortal online 2 Combat is much fun ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ2bf2SBnqt7gbs

[@xursed7990]

I'm in the alpha and its really fun. Truth be told there isn't any other game like it. The alpha for mortal 2 is going really well. Mortal online looks like shit, runs like shit but there is a really dedicated cult following for it for good reason. Mortal 2 fixes the first 2 problems

[@rhawkas2637]

32:13 "You say: ty for being naked, makes for good footage" XD

[@steveescher1554]

I could see this game being OK way back when it first came out. The black ground at night is brutal tho

[@SplendidDog]

1:30 This is slowly turning into Jojo's bizarre adventure the game-

[@Poisonjam7]

I leveled up my seeing to level 27 and my hearing to 24 while watching this video. Sadly, my breathing remained the same.

[@NoraIconiq]

Honestly my reaction to them announcing mortal online 2 was never ever again. My overall experience with the original game before its steam release was so bad and I gave it a fair chance too. But overall it was so bad and the skill system was so limiting you are capped at how many skills you can learn at once. So unless you put down a monthly subscription you can only put 60 points into a primary skill which affects your secondary skills. Ontop of that the effectiveness of your skills is determined by your stats and if you dont consistently eat foot to stay healthy you will become underweight which is the games way of calling you a malnourished weak skin on the bones even if you dont look it oh and your stats will be readjusted to reflect that and it will happen while your offline. So you can log off as the incredible hulk and lot back on months later as bruce banner. This mechanic alone killed the game for me because it can take weeks to months to get your weight up and you have to be online every day for many many hours just to get it back up. So at this point Im probably not gonna try mortal online 2 and even if I do its only out of morbid curiosity.

[@ErraticPT]

Tried this game a few times over the years, the devs never delivered on their promises. Surprisingly it did have a reasonable population at one time but still felt dead. No-one was interested in anything other than partying up for an overpowered boss in a boring dungeon.

[@MrEatSomeBrains]

If you've ever been in the military, you know resting is a skill.

[@metricpwnz]

As much of a shit show as it is. I have some of my fondest mmo memories in this game. Everything is player driven. This is the game's best and worst trait. The crafting system is brilliant. The way materials were used is so unique. For example, there were entire toons dedicated to metallurgy alone and they would develop their own secret recipes for metal alloys. They would then transfer or sell these ingots to blacksmiths who would then make unique weapons and armor with a wide variety of stats unique to the skill of the smith and the metal alloy used. All of the stats are incredibly vague so it was essentially impossible to exactly reverse engineer the materials used. The economy was entirely player run, so you had to learn which people sold quality products and which ones didn't, since you can't really rely on the stats. Some may call this bad design, but I found it fascinating and very immersive. You could make a name for yourself in this game which was so refreshing. There were infamous bandit's and armies that were despised by the common folk and rulers of towns who were kind to the average wayfarer (although uncommon lol). All of the jobs were player driven. I remember my friend and I decided to become bounty hunters, tracking down brigands or "reds" and bring their heads to their salty victims for payment. Or if we needed some more reliable and safe cash we would be hired security for caravans of steel running between towns. I could go on and on about how much of a hidden gem this game really was. Needless to say I am very excited for MO2.

[@lynxk9372]

well spoken brother

[@turtolelegs6831]

omg that sounds so amazing

[@notsae66]

That sounds very interesting, but also incredibly fragile and likely to be opaque and exceedingly harsh to new players. I can see why this game, for as interesting and ambitious as it is, never really caught on; the longer the game goes on, the more intimidating for beginners it becomes and thus the less new people would join and stay. With the certain fact that people will stop playing, having a system by which it gets progressively harder and harder to get new blood is all but suicidal as a core mechanic.

[@randzopyr1038]

Mortal 2 released yesterday - apparently a lot of the same issues, biggest being that their only servers are in EU, so too much lag for just about anywhere else. Side note - had a friend in high school that asked me to grab his gym bag and take it back across school to him. Said np. Turns out his gym bag had about 100lbs of weights in it, for reasons. I can say affirmatively that, after carrying the bag across campus, the over-burdened mechanics in this are extremely realistic and like real life, absolutely 0 fun.

[@skyesfury8511]

I love the ongoing Mensa jokes. Please keep this going through the rest of these videos! Also, a note on the dev reply and MO2.... The dev acknowledges and admits that Full Loot PvP is not a model, too few people like such a system. So what's the best thing to do when creating Mortal Online 2? Not take your own advice!!! I'm sure MO2 won't be a colossal failure because of this........

[@drummerboy737]

look at this guy. You think you're saving the world of MMO's or what? apparently you know something Starvault doesnt and you have the mensa points to prove it. what a laugh.

[@skyesfury8511]

@@drummerboy737 Wow... you must be one of the devs. Butthurt much?

[@drummerboy737]

@@skyesfury8511 lmao u WISH!!! hahahaha yeah I am mad you kids ruin all manner of games!

[@skyesfury8511]

@@drummerboy737 No, what I wish is that you weren't a complete idiot. But, sadly, wishes don't come true.

[@drummerboy737]

@@skyesfury8511 guess those are your FEEEELINGS. Good thing I don't care about those lol Neither did mo1, probably why you hate it

[@kittykaidoodles796]

All of these 3D indie games always have the worst fucking lighting. They make the classic artistic mistake of "nighttime and shadows means things are more BLACK"

[@SknCommonLisper]

"They made a game without researching into who would play the game" Actually, they did that. They made a game, that they themselves ( imagined they ) wanted to play. But therein was the issue. The game they ( and others like them, including me ) wanted to play, is not a game to make money, and a big game like an MMO ( especially an over ambitious one, like Mortal Online ) needs to be able to make money.

[@jakea4558]

Howdy! Just found your channel and want to say you a treasure to all nerds/gaming culture. Watching your content has really hit a cord in me to not take things so serious and having fun/laugh takes just as much energy as being frustrated. I know this is a channel for you to communicate and have fun however its definitely a personality thing. Keep up the amazing content, this has reminded me much of the departed total biscuit and has been a total joy! All the best and keep on nerding it up!

[@louhodo5761]

I spent way to much time in that game back when it released. It was good at being bad. Best review to date.

[@EduardoOviedoBlanco]

I saw a lot of the same design mistakes in Mortal Online 2.

[@LimitedHandles]

That bit with Haven for new players is actually a feature that was in Ultima Online. It was named Haven as well. Thanks for giving me another reason to comment about UO on your channel.

[@bswearingen]

It was Occlo in the early days. There was a UO demo where you could play a single player version of the game that was self contained on the island too

[@LimitedHandles]

@@bswearingen wow, that's interesting. I didn't play that early. Very cool

[@MrZega000]

I actually appreciate the 2D grapes. Clever way of saving resources and not noticeable from a distance.

[@rolufe1756]

Press Z to unlock mouse... or go into settings where any movement will remove the mouse. A lot of this is good points for them for their upcoming game. Honestly a lot of the stuff you pointed out to me being a old player of the game and spent many thousand hours in it. I agree with you, but never even considered as bad. I gotten so used a lot of it. Even played alot of other modern games. But modern games usually are bad cuz there is 0 depth in them just well polished counter strike games. The arrow system on equipment and food. A lot of that stuff is made so no one can be certain of the stats or effects so players can test and research the things and there by knowledge is power. So you can find out a unique health potion receipt and sell it to other players that dont wanna spend the same time researching it. Most of the fun gameplay comes trough being in a guild. The game isnt like EVE where you win by spending time paying for game time and skill points to get ahead of everyone else. You just lvl your character up in a few days and then you are at the end game. You do whatever you want from there on. You wont be gimped forever cuz you will never catch up like EVE or like WoW where you cant kill a person since you miss most attacks and their passive health reg is higher than any damage your able to dish out. Sadly this newbie island was made by the quality assurance guy and he didnt really get much support. He did way better dungeons and cooler map layout then what is in the rest of the game. Reason he didnt get much support is cuz at this time they already started working on MO2 and focused everything on that. The keep is the bandit HQ on this island and its the closest thing to UO you will find. It has everything needed for people to live there except a toilet area i think xD

[@protestthebread1046]

I'm excited for MO2. I played sporadically since the game's launch, a few months here, a few months there. Never gained a name for myself within the community, but I always could find someone helpful to teach me whatever newest thing had been added. It was a game that spoke to my heart, though, and for despite not playing it all that hard core, I kept up a subscription for probably 8 years in total, just dreaming that the dev's would be able to make it. Can't wait for MO2, though!

[@rolufe1756]

@@protestthebread1046 shouldnt be long now until we can all get in and play :)

[@jonathansoko1085]

Mortal online devs: We will create little to no content, enable pvp and call it design

[@youtube-kit9450]

It's probably what fucks me most about the game - it's not blabla hardcore whatever, but the whole game just reeks of lazy design decision after lazy design decision.

[@calemr]

Leveling Everything as a skill is something I've seen in 1 other game series: Rune Factory. A very niche series, that I personally love. You could level sleeping, eating, walking, talking to NPCs, getting hit by debuffs... and all the weapons, spell elements, and crafting types of course.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

You can level up sleeping in the game? I'm a pro at sleeping IRL, I'm so good, I can do it with my eyes closed!

[@tickledpickle5671]

Josh, I'll have you know that there is only one kind of beautiful grape in gaming. The grapes in Sharlayan in FF14, pre 6.2 RIP those beautiful grapes. :(.

[@merrickbryan85]

Omg you had me cackling and my side splitting for for the entire video. Thank you so much for the great comedy

[@BrutalJambon]

Well damn, kuddos to this developper admitting everything they did wrong and owning it. Let's hope them realizing all of this means it won't be repeated in Mortal 2.