WOTM: Religion Makes Philosophers Stupid, Part III

[@marshallmkerr]

As a gay male, my ears immediately perked up with incredulous curiosity to learn more about this previously unheard of, mysterious doctrine of Penile Substitution.

[@dansaber4427]

Things finally started to sound like they made sense.

[@marshallmkerr]

@@dansaber4427 I actually had to consult the transcript to discover the disappointingly inane truth.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Penal, not penile.

[@suicune2001]

I'd never heard of that either and was very confused. Lol

[@trentlytle7289]

@@marshallmkerr Bad Dragon did just release the Beast with 7 Heads

[@ianchisholm5756]

Making a conscious decision to lower the bar for believing a proposition is *not* how academia works. It's how religion works.

[@charlesyates8228]

I stand in awe of your ability to listen to this and other ‘CONverts’. I’m watching your video and if it wasn’t for your witty comments I’d have destroyed my iPad in disbelief and anger

[@misterdeity]

It really can be grueling. I’m working on Ayaan’s CONVersation with Alex O’Connor right now, and my blood pressure really does launch into the stratosphere sometimes. She’s an incredibly confused woman right now.

[@inwyrdn3691]

I know I'm an original sinner, because nearly every time I got in trouble in school, the first thing my teachers and principal said was "I've never seen anyone stupid enough to do this before." I'm original.

[@suicune2001]

😂😂😂

[@oscargr_]

Well done

[@babyfoot-]

Best line in the video: "that really resonates on a spiritual level... because it's just too stupid to resonate anywhere else"

[@shinywarm6906]

To justify any belief on the grounds "It resonates with me" may be the most crass argument of all

[@babyfoot-]

@@shinywarm6906 If you offer it as a _justification,_ yes, but I don't think that's generally the intent. "Resonates with me" is a great intuition pump, as it encourages deeper investigation. As such it is immensely valuable, I think. Not crass at all.

[@misterdeity]

@@babyfoot- Agreed. But rhetorically, he did kinda use it as though that resonance is and should be compelling.

[@babyfoot-]

@@misterdeity I thought he said "that's the view of the atonement that makes intellectual sense to me" before adding that it resonates spiritually... but I won't die on this hill since I didn't watch the whole interview, only your excerpts.

[@somersetcace1]

"Because it's just too stupid to resonate anywhere else." 🤣🤣I needed that this morning!

[@Devious_Dave]

Poor Cameron's forgotten what he's supposed to believe - "this new possibility that *God maybe he's just limited in power* and everything else is unlimited and that accounts for the data." Is this 'Low Bar Cameron' or 'Shot Himself in the Foot Bertuzzi? - I can't decide. 🤣

[@misterdeity]

Both?

[@JosephNobles]

"That really resonates on a spiritual level... because it's just too stupid to resonate anywhere else." George Carlin is smiling down on you from heaven for that one, Mr. Deity.

[@tommyvictorbuch6960]

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus -

[@AndyfromPBG1]

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent No, that's false- who told you that?

[@misterdeity]

@@AndyfromPBG1 It's called logic. If you witness a rape, or a child being abused and can stop it, but don't, what should we call you?

[@teddy1234599]

@@misterdeity My friend, you've got it backwards here. Goff's point is that he / god is NOT omnipotent. ie, willing but not able (to do anything). So, seeing as we gotta call him something ("the non-thing with no name" is a bit awkward, don't ya think?) ... why NOT call him god?

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

Goff almost makes Cameron look like a person that is good at thinking with clarity.

[@1970Phoenix]

9:54 "Why not opt for this option which explains ..." Finally an apologist admitted it. They start with a conclusion and then do what they need to in order to reach that preordained conclusion.

[@Warhoon]

The Prager graph makes me laugh every time the plot climbs to the "Immeasurable" measurement.

[@kenharness1417]

It scared me at first when I heard "penal substitution". Whew.

[@mkraulis]

That philosopher's argument seems like a goldilocks version of moving the goal posts.

[@oscargr_]

It's an a'la carte god of the gaps. My preferred god has exactly one of the properties of the Christian god. He loves Bill Craig.

[@simonkoster]

Oh NOoo! Cameron is taking atheism less seriously! How will I ever be able to recover from this shock!

[@HowardThompson-ux7kf]

It's OK. I take Cameron less seriously.

[@jimkoss3318]

He even got Sagan wrong.

[@semidemiurge]

The idiocy is so deep and wide that it sometimes makes me feel hopeless for our society and humankind in general.

[@misterdeity]

Welcome. I've been here for quite a while, experiencing exactly that feeling.

[@ZenWithKen]

Part B, wooot! Been waiting for this one. "My interpretation of Christianity is"

[@radiofreeutah5328]

1:40 "Our derivative, unoriginal sinning..." Sir, are you challenging me to find a new sin? Don't you dare threaten me with a good time.

[@misterdeity]

Challenge advanced. Challenge accepted?

[@radiofreeutah5328]

@misterdeity oh it's on!

[@skidmo]

I figured it out - it's the Thomas Dolby glasses on Goff. He's blinded by.....well, not science.....but something.

[@KynaTiona]

I was hoping Goff wasn't so completely blind to his cosmology's implications that he had an explanation for why an all-knowing god would use evolution, a process whose sole benefit is generating information, despite its brutality clearly conflicting with its all-loving nature. He seemingly either does not see that this problem alone makes his cosmology completely untenable, or else has seen the problem and is doing the usual excusegist tap-dance. In either case, his con...version certainly isn't making me feel as if atheism has become _less_ tenable.

[@4ozscoop]

My ontologist told me I needed a diet high in ontolicious foods. What sucks is no matter how you cooked them, they still tasted like shit.

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂

[@teddy1234599]

OBVIOUSLY you (and/or you ontologist) don't believe in (or snack on) the FSM! Tastes Great; Less Filling!

[@john211murphy]

It has been said by a wise man...................... "RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING" ................

[@lisaboban]

I demand compensation for the 500 brain cells that ruptured and died while I tried to comprehend this "philosophical argument". Good grief these guys are full of themselves.

[@rodbrewster4629]

I'm no philosopher but as I was checking out of a Holiday Inn Express last night it occurred to me that by just replacing Omnibenevolence with Omnisadistence you can keep the Omnipotence and it matches reality to a tee.

[@misterdeity]

@@rodbrewster4629 Someone call Goff!!!

[@Randomytname1]

@@misterdeity you have wasted your whole life talking about things you don't even believe in

[@misterdeity]

@ That’s not the opinion of the many many people who’ve written to me, both via email and in the comments here, thanking me for helping them out of the destructive, unloving lifestyle they were living as Christians, Mormons, etc... I post those emails and comments to my Patreon if you’d like to see them - you just have to become a patron. Then, there’s all the comments here from people who enjoy the humor and insight I provide in each video. Bringing smiles and insight probably are useless to someone like yourself, but that’s not the case for everyone. Ironically, you seem to be wasting your life posting comments about things of which you clearly know nothing. Why?!!! Very sad. 😔

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@Randomytname1i bet you he does things other than his work. Things like hang with family and friends or play games and go for drinks at the pub.

[@rodbrewster4629]

@@Randomytname1 It's never a waste of time to try to get people to think for themselves and to use critical thinking. The alternative is Trump.

[@jonnowds]

“*Resort* to atheism?” Really, Cameron? Oy vey, dishonest crap 🙄

[@trevorlunn8442]

Goff's theology can't be criticized as lacking imagination... but it can be criticized for lacking anything else.

[@suicune2001]

I'd say it still lacks imagination since he's just inching closer and closer to deities that were the norm several thousand years ago. Maybe he'll invent Ra next.

[@AmberAmber]

​@@suicune2001 I'm crossing my fingers for Thoth! This is like Pokémon!!❤

[@chagadelica]

The only Xtianity that makes any sense is the one where your grandma brings a casserole to the post-service basement potluck on a Sunday. The rest of it is such made-up nonsense I can’t even. I can’t with the casseroles either! But these guys … jeebus!

[@christopherhamilton3621]

Of course it lacks imagination. It gives and explains NOTHING!!! Goff is a wannabe intellectual waiting to step into the spot Lennox occupies as a CS Lewis stand-in once Lennox croaks…

[@rik80280]

I love Cameron just loving the idea of god not being all powerful. Hilarious

[@oscargr_]

It was so hard to figure out which of the two gentlemen had the PhD in philosophy.

[@HillHugger]

I would suggest that extraordinary claims require at least a modicum of reasonable evidence.

[@Gregorypeckory]

I love the phrase "God's collateral damage"! 😂🤣😂

[@RustyWalker]

Cameron's God "fills" all the data we have .. and don't have .. and will never have. It's almost like it doesn't matter what the data is. Cameron's God can "fill" it.

[@oscargr_]

Like caulk. Or silicone.

[@darthvirgin7157]

heh heh. “penal substitution”

[@marcdc6809]

This feels very much like a homeopathic kind of christianity, where the idea of christianity is so watered down that it becomes tap water...

[@oscargr_]

LoL. The fewer omni properties god has, the better the idea of god fits all the data. You re absolutely right.. it's homeopathic.

[@marcdc6809]

@@oscargr_ I do admit, it would be fun if the universe had some kind of janitor that would keep the planets clean and the lights working where necessary, but it doesn't look like that.

[@deadweaselsteve3262]

If only there were some way of settling these philosophical and theological debates, like, oh, I dunno ... ACTUAL DATA!!!!

[@oscargr_]

Who needs data if you can simply ignore the absence of data.

[@suicune2001]

Maybe when Goff becomes a real boy, he'll accept that Yahweh is a minor Canaanite warlord storm deity. Very fallible, very limited, very selfish, and only cared about Israelites.

[@jguil4d]

I like that. “Look, if you already accept that ridiculous things happen without evidence, then you can just accept that ridiculous things happen without evidence.”

[@misterdeity]

@@jguil4d And if you’ve just decided to believe in magic and magical beings, all things are possible/probable. Both in our favor and contrary to our wants and needs.

[@bobidstein9107]

Why would Cam give a microphone to this guy? For the record, he Mr D... Dennis' admission is never going to get old. ❤❤

[@CharlesPayet]

I was wondering the exact same thing.

[@frankpulmanns6685]

Cam really really likes money.

[@Anony3141592]

maybe he's finding catholicism less palatable [can't say I disagree; the wafers are awful] than he hoped. Time to jump ship to a different flavour of 'the' christian view.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Thanks for being you, Mr Deity.

[@yinYangMountain]

“…fits with a god of limited abilities … which is something there is strong evidence for.” -Phillip Goff - The “fits with” rhetoric is explained by philosopher / Dr. Stephen Law in: ‘But it Fits!’ (What’s wrong with Young Earth Creationism - post 1 of 3) -Center for Inquiry - Regarding the “Strong evidence,” … Alright, let’s see it.

[@darrennew8211]

It's bizarre. God, the creator of the rules of the universe, is limited by ... something. If god is limited, what makes him a god?

[@ziploc2000]

Ah, but now he can believe in god, so it's all okey-dokey in Woo-land.

[@Nymaz]

"What I like about what you're saying is it gives us a do-over since we realized the whole 'Our god is betterer than yours by infinity plus one' thing we picked up from the Platonists really doesn't work when people start bringing logic in."

[@pkats9093]

Seems like Goff is actually making a pretty darn good case against Christianity

[@oscargr_]

You think he is trolling Cameron? I was thinking.. would be interesting to see Cameron tell Craig about his new found philosophical Christianity.

[@pkats9093]

@ Trolling Cameron? Ooh that’s diabolical

[@CB66941]

Goff's god doesn't sound like an omniscient god. An omniscient god would be able to achieve his immediate goal on the first try, because he would know how to achieve it the first time, even if he wasn't omnipotent. In fact, an omniscient god would know if he would fail the first time, or the 2nd, or the 3rd. But there is a deeply disturbing idea behind that. That god can only operate according to what he knows about. He knows with 100 percent certainty what he is going to do next. He's a puppet who can see the strings. Does god have free will if he always knows what he is going to do next for eternity? Also, so glad that Cameron is slowly accepting Goff's perspective. Let's hope it goes viral in Christianity to make their god even smaller.

[@teddy1234599]

"An omniscient god would be able to achieve his immediate goal on the first try, because he would know how to achieve it the first time, even if he wasn't omnipotent." I THINK you're wrong here. An omniscient god who was only semipotent (spelling intentional) would KNOW that he could NOT get it right on his first try (or any try?); so he'd enjoy making the mess of things (we're stuck with) because he'd be doing the best he could. It's because god did the best he could that we have the phrase: mediocrity breeds content!

[@CB66941]

@teddy1234599 You're not wrong for thinking that, and that just shows you the problem with omniscience as well. "He would know he would not get it on the first try." "He would know how to get it on the first try, despite being semipotent" These 2 statements would be true for an omniscient god, but they also reveal that: Despite god knowing how to do it, for some reason he can't choose the known method because he knows he can't achieve it on the first try. If he knows, it doesn't make sense then that he wouldn't act on it the first time, unless as you suggest, it was intentional. It's also why I stated that god, if he is omniscient, is following a script. The only way for those 2 statements to really make sense would be an intent to go through it for some reason or if he had to follow them both to a tee.

[@teddy1234599]

@@CB66941 If we, you and I in particular, were theists; this conundrum of ridiculousness piled on top of absurdity would be enough to warrant a SCHISM - in faithful keeping with the "finest" traditions of ALL religions. Start with a complete absence of evidence; brainwash each following generation into a fervor; flavor it with arrogant sectarianism and; voila thirty thousand AND (now) one squabbling sects each and all of which are "the only true one".

[@micbroc6435]

God- all knowing, all loving, all powerful. Me- making my yearly donation to the local Childrens hospital to help kids with cancer.

[@ChipArgyle]

Why yes, I do have high standards of evidence for supernatural claims. Anything else would be assumption and make-believe. The same standards apply to claims of strong or weak gods.

[@heavysystemsinc.]

I'm hedging my bets on which one gets proved to be real first: Ghosts or God(s) I feel Ghosts would be the easier one since apparently new ghosts appear every day when people die. And all of them are considered nonbelievers of SOME religion that things without faith and all that they'll either stay in purgatory as a ghost or go to hell.....so yeah, statistically, there should be at least one new ghost per day.

[@InigoMontoya-]

I am so glad I no longer have to resort to atheism! It has been so embarrassing for me to admit that I like things to be believable, and have good, solid evidence to back them up; when all I have to do is take the claims that have no evidence and change them to claims no one has made, while simultaneously stating they need no evidence because I don’t believe them to be extraordinary. Goff’s mental gymnastics can only get you to deism, then a switcharoo to a god that couldn’t reflect deism due to its ineptitude. His god is a contradiction of itself.

[@Rogstin]

I can't believe I heard Cameron make the argument for every other god, including Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe _(LBUHMH)._ I'm no longer an atheist, all hail *REDACTED - SCP TEAM DISPATCHED*

[@radiofreeutah5328]

Leaf be upon her

[@oscargr_]

Cameron is convinced that if you don't like god 'the way he is" , you should certainly be able to love the god you assemble by yourself. (As we like food (or our clothes , or anything) more if we made it ourselves.) And that makes you a theist of sorts.

[@riseofdarkleela]

Leaves be upon you all! 🦒

[@puckerings]

The argument that this god can create an entire universe and all the rules of physics, but cannot create life directly, is fucking ridiculous.

[@jenna2431]

The very lengths they are willing to go to justify their life choices is amazing...and frightening.

[@timothymulholland7905]

I'm glad we can each make up our own theology. That's what each believer does. Unbelievers too.

[@ziploc2000]

This! Guy on left is making up his own definition of god, so he can pretend god exists, just like guy on right. They don't believe in the same "god":, but as they both have a concept of a god that they both want to exist, they are mates.

[@TheOwlman]

8:16 Yes Phil, but what is the *evidence?* Any old fairy tale can fit in with your world view, and it can even give you comfort, but that doesn't mean I have an invisible unicorn living in my garage, great a tale as that would be a dinner parties. Edit: at least Phil's blow on the head didn't leave an obvious scar, the cerebral damage is self-evident though. As for Cameron, he just _loves_ this; take atheism seriously Cam, it is the future.

[@facundocesa4931]

"Now I can take atheism even less seriously." Yeah, that's so cool, to remove traits from your imaginary friend until he becomes unfalsifiable. But hey, now he's just as believable as an evil god that's also not omnipotent.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

'Philosophy... is that a sport?'

[@rogerwenzel1099]

Thanks!

[@misterdeity]

Thank YOU! Blessings are headed your way.

[@sananselmospacescienceodys7308]

1:30. Kentucky Fried Movie - Courtroom. I hadn't see that movie since High School but I got the reference immediately.

[@misterdeity]

This thrills me!!! Glad someone got it!

[@suicune2001]

So is that Goff guy really just Wiccan or... just one of those vague spiritual people who will start buying crystals and tarot cards?

[@jimscott9974]

"Even Cameron isn't buying this sh*t." That about sums it up. If only Cameron would recognize that his worldview is just as nonsensical.

[@bigdude8468]

While I am now an atheist, I once wrote for a now defunct Christian history website. The early church that people now consider "orthodox," in contrast to gnostic, etc., actually believed in the "ransom" theory of atonement. That is, people were held in spiritual captivity to sin, and that Jesus died as a ransom to Satan in order to set the world free from the bonds of sin, allowing everyone to choose to repent (about face) & live unfettered & able to please god.

[@Kevin_Williamson]

Cameron: 'Those atheists could just go for this new version of Christianity. It's a totally great option instead of atheism.' (10:17) Me: Sure. Once anyone gets around to demonstrating their version of God even exists. Then we can have a discussion on how much of an option it is. Because, in my view, it's not an option now. "Goddidit" lacks any shred of explanatory power.

[@AndyfromPBG1]

demonstrating lol I love that you think this is an argument. I don't believe it happened, so it didn't happen. The world centers around my belief. No god exists that I can't deny, therefore no god exists.

[@Kevin_Williamson]

@@AndyfromPBG1 -- I have no idea where you got the idea I thought anything in the video was an argument. If the rest of your comment is equally supposed to mirror my actual thoughts, you scored a perfect 0. I hope (for your sake) you never try a career as a psychic.

[@oscargr_]

​@@AndyfromPBG1How many gods exist that *you* can deny?

[@unclejohnny863]

"Somewhat beyond tangential"!

[@billiwickey]

Cameron should have a conversation with his Pope. I'm sure he would be interested in hearing what practicing Catholics think.

[@RustyWalker]

The first Christians almost certainly didn't see Jesus' death as "penal substitution," but it didn't take all that long for someone to make it up to explain why the God man x.x'ed.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

What qualifies this Goff guy as a philosopher? A degree in philosophy doesnt make you a philosopher.

[@jimburris]

God had a concept of a plan…

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂 Brilliant!!! I’m sofa king stealing that next time I talk about Goff!

[@InigoMontoya-]

Is “vicarious redemption” too hard to say? Why would one use “Penal substitution” instead?- unless it was done purposely to make folks think phallically.

[@misterdeity]

I know that’s why I use it!

[@paxromana9709]

Listening to Goff makes me think "Man, you're a philosopher dealing with reality. Not a creative writer trying to rationalise a fictional world starting from a (negotiated) set of magical rules."

[@condorboss3339]

In each of the posts you have made in this series, the thumbnail has featured Cameron Bertuzzi. My thought on seeing them is that Cameron Bertuzzi is to philosophy what the Dickee Dee Ice Cream Man is to a Michelin 3 star restaurant.

[@tctheunbeliever]

The joke writes itself. Aside from that, the phrase "full-throated embrace" makes me think of an orange for some reason. Maybe it's the LSD.

[@frankpulmanns6685]

"If you accept God as limited in power you still have the explanatory power of theism" What explanatory power? Theism explains nothing. It asserts a whole bunch of things, that's it.

[@istvansipos9940]

in other words: The previous 0 remains 0. In a special way, he was correct in the sentence you quoted.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Theism actually explains everything. Unicorns exist? Goddiddid. Unicorns don't exist? Goddiddid. Square circles exist? Goddiddid. Square circles don't exist? Goddiddid. Evolution is true? Goddiddid. Evolution is false? Goddiddid. Theism explains way too much.

[@teddy1234599]

"To explain a limited-power god; you NEED the limited explanatory power of theism."

[@oscargr_]

If William Craig is "low bar"... Then Goff is..... on earth to make William Craig look like a decent philosopher ?

[@teddy1234599]

Dictionary: "Goff-ile substitution": lowering the bar so low it makes "Low Bar Bill" look smart / a decent philosopher by comparison.

[@shinywarm6906]

I'm baffled at why Goff claims to be a Christian when he denies so many of its tenets. He relies on a pick-and-mix of heresies and his own made-up stuff. Surely it couldn't be that framing that as a "conversion to Christianity" gets you more airtime than saying "I've made up stuff"?

[@suicune2001]

That confuses me, too. I could swear he said he converted to Christianity but doesn't believe anything in the Bible. Lol.

[@oscargr_]

​@@suicune2001Doesn't change much compared to many other Christians... Everything you don't believe, is allegory.

[@otakurocklee]

It's politics. He wants to be 'associated' with the people that call themselves Christians and disassociated from the people that call thesmevles 'atheists'... it's probably an image thing.

[@otakurocklee]

Actually as mrdeity has pointed out... It's probably about book sales. It's just a stunt like Jordan Peterson pulls... by calling himself a theist and a "Christian" he gets a whole lot of attention on youtube. When his book is released it will get a lot of sales.

[@misterdeity]

@@otakurocklee Bingo!!!

[@Zahaqiel]

That feel when a philosopher says that humans are "radically different from God", but Genesis 3 is pretty clear that actually if you just make a human immortal... and Genesis 11 pretty clearly states that teamwork makes the omnipotent dream work...

[@weldabar]

Since when did becoming a Christian become the cool new thing for non-Christians to do? And by "becoming Christian" they apparently don't mean actually believing in Jesus.

[@dougt7580]

Since it became profitable

[@martifingers]

@@dougt7580 This is unfair I think. I don't see how Goff's very unconventional beliefs will gain him a following amongst many Christians. FWIW I think he is sincere but I am perplexed by the apparent shallowness of his arguments and whilst it is easy to dismiss views we disagree with, he is a serious philosopher. He is quoted as saying that he is only "close to 50%" sure that his version of Christianity is true. If accurate I wonder if his current position is a form of action research where he is exploring what comes out of this experience?

[@misterdeity]

That’s a coin flip! At lease it’s better than one in a million! LOL! 😂

[@misterocain]

Can somebody explain to me how a timeless, immaterial being is necessary?

[@deadpiratetattoo2015]

He's right. We are different.. I'm real..

[@oscargr_]

Bertuzzi is so frustrated by Atheism that any deity with at least some of the properties of his god is good enough. Doesn't realise that he is actually making small steps towards Atheism (removing all godly properties) 加油Cameron Can't wait to see his next interview with William Craig; Cam asking what Craig thinks about Goff's theology 😂😂

[@DenisLoubet]

If you remove the childish tri-omni qualities of the Christian god, you get Zeus. If that's where Christianity is going, dibs on Prometheus!

[@condorboss3339]

The difference is that Zeus was openly bi and plus. He had lovers of both sexes and wasn't averse to a little perversion (disguising himself at various times as a bull or a swan.)

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂

[@adalbertred]

8:28 - "This is the move that people do". Not people (as in normal people), grifters (as in greedy people - greedy for money, greedy for attention, etc) !

[@Vadjong]

Oh dear. New Age woo has taken a nose-dive. (Okay, it did not have far to fall.)

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

BTW: Cameron Bertuzzi is NOT stoopid.....he just grifts off stoopid believers

[@drmorqWarrenProject]

this guys is so special... he has revalations...

[@MrMattSax]

Phil seems to be inventing the Christianity that he prefers. But honestly, that’s what all Christians are doing.

[@leslieviljoen]

How about all-knowing god gives the king a letter in the 1300's saying "the black death is caused by fleas". How about that?

[@youarevictoria4981]

4:57 The face of doubt

[@klodius8588]

Prager's graph includes religious beliefs and practices propagated by their apologists.

[@rustyclaymore1105]

You're welcome for watching!

[@Griexxt]

When will we reach the perfect world? At the heat death of the entire universe?

[@thomashennessy3585]

Good to know that ol’ Cam’s still just as certain that he’s got it all figured out & that atheism’s still got a bit part in the discussion. Good ol’ Cam - the very vision of prideful arrogance.

[@j.graham8068]

So, is Goff pushing New Age Christianity? Is god emanating all those vibrations?

[@malcolmchambers4934]

So if you don't like the consequences of your definition of God, all you have to do is prune the bits that don't work until you have a definition that works. Create your own god in three easy steps

[@stevewebber707]

Well, that's probably how the religious traditions (and holy books) came about in the first place. Some people imagining God, and then others editing over time.

[@AlexS-pv4rn]

Saying he takes atheism even less seriously than before - when, in a hypothetical universe where religion was absent from the world and both sides were describing their views to a psychiatrist, his would get him put away in a mental institution for life. Pathetic.

[@Number1ZERO69]

If we were like God.. Shouldn't we be like invisible? I miss Father Guido Sarducci😂

[@tonygilmour1842]

An "okay" universe!? 😂

[@chrispysaid]

I'm glad you are and continue to be you

[@JB_Emerson]

the prager clips feel to me like Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes. Funny at first, then getting old, then once you've forgotten about them, funny again.

[@finestPlugins]

I like how he's got the epistemic grounding for his world view exactly the wrong way around. If you base your world view on something, you should examine that better and with more scrutiny, not with less. You can't build on a shoddy foundation. Sheesh.

[@billirwin3558]

Goff is right again. A god of limited ability is much easier to imagine, and defeat. Instead of god being like a Super Soldier, god is more like a bumbling whining Russian conscript. That would take the 'fearing' out of 'god fearing'.

[@stevewebber707]

You know, I can honestly say that the words of Cameron have caused me to take apologetics less seriously. So I suppose I shouldn't harshly criticize Cameron taking atheism less seriously. And if in consequence Cameron does an even worse job of addressing atheism, I won't complain.

[@esskay2195]

As Obi Wan said "Many of the truths we cling to depend on a certain point of view." Also, I would be remiss if I didn't say that this video also gave me a semi. 🤣

[@unclejohnny863]

Yeah, the resonate thing. 🥶