Would the Clone Wars Still Have Happened Without Palpatine?

[@StarWarsCorner]

My short answer: Yes. But it would’ve taken more time and would’ve looked completely different. Arguably the “Separatists” would’ve been the “good guys”.

[@permafrost8322]

Star Wars Corner would’ve been the good guys? They are

[@reedcoffman3210]

I think the cis were the good guys even if dooku controlled them

[@jeremyscungio16]

@@reedcoffman3210 what they did on Ryloth was a war crime though and inexcusable

[@Apollo-zc2rj]

Republic isn’t exactly innocent in terms of war crimes. They’re literally using slave soldiers, and constantly break rules of war through false surrenders. And most actual separatists don’t do war crimes, it’s mainly the companies like the techno union. And if you want an example of the faults of the republic, look at the battle of Atrakan

[@villekuronen6242]

they were but those who were in charge of separatist military werent because sith influence

[@Mgauge]

I imagine that a war would be inevitable, but without the Sith, it’d be far less intense without their escalation.

[@BrianHarkness]

Geostomp I think it could still be intense definitely shorter though since the Separatist would have been able to steamroll most of the Republic faster with numbers

[@yuyaplays9311]

The war would have still happened maybe not in the timeline we see but eventually. The separatists would likely have also won the war quickly as the republics lack a military and the Jedi refusal to accept the prophecy and visions that said it was coming. The republic may have started to build up their military slightly but they would have delayed for too long giving the separatists more time to build up.

[@DemonsRun87]

I strongly disagree that they're interference escalated things, since Palpatine was essentially in control of everything he would have actually mitigated the damage to ensure his meteoric rise to emperorership. In fact I believe that without Sith interference it would have been an even bloodier war than it was. After all the Sith wanted to consolidate power, wipeout the Jedi, and transform the Republican into an Empire. Things that we've been far more difficult if they didn't control, but at the same time they had to give the image of not controlling the war leaving the Jedi in the dark until it was too late!!!

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@DemonsRun87 without the sith, the republic and CIS would have been able to negotiate. The CIS plan of strongarming the republic into accepting their withdrawal may have worked, too. One way or another we know that the republic and CIS were willing to negotiate during the war, but then sidious and dooku sabotaged the peace talks. Without sith interference, the republic quite simply does not have the stomach to force a war on the separatists who only want to be free.

[@dixievfd55]

So you think the galactic civil war would be more like any of the guerilla wars going on now.

[@QuantumAscension1]

The Trade Federation: the Amazon of Star Wars. Makes sense, You’d be forgiven for thinking Jeff Bezos was a Nimoidian, 😂

[@shautiknandy4879]

More like the East India Company of Star Wars.

[@ZacksRockingLifestyle]

I’d argue that the Czerka is closer to the Star Wars version of Amazon, but I like your thinking

[@robertnelson9599]

@@ZacksRockingLifestyle Czerka?

[@joshuadaniels4257]

No they’re the Chinese Communists, same accent and they’re taking over a republic with cheap electronics

[@starwarsgeekout5015]

@@robertnelson9599 Czerka was the Trade Federation of the Old Republic. You see it a lot in the Star Wars games around 4000 BBY

[@Krazymaddog]

"no riots and people are getting kinder" Spoke a little too soon

[@jaysonrocchio6637]

Damn, beat me to it

[@SovietRussia777]

For real, didnt age as well as I hoped.

[@Call-Me-_-Shadow]

This really didn’t age well.

[@Torlik11]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@Markm8]

Its even worse now lol

[@ukmediawarrior]

It's such a shame that so many people are panicking over food and other essentials. Here in the UK the supermarkets, despite what they tell us, are buckling under people hording food when experts are saying that if everyone just went about buying groceries like normal everything would be just fine!! Food hasn't stopped being produced. Toilet rolls are still being manufactured. This is NOT a zombie apocalypse and yet people are acting like it is.

[@danielevans5286]

UK Media Warrior They arent buckling. My cousins husband is a delivery driver and he says the warehouses are full of food. The only issue is getting it to the shelves.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

I would invest in grocery stores right now. It seems like business has never been better for them. One of the few markets you're sure not to loose money at the moment.

[@bigredwolf6]

That makes sense. It also makes sense to get a bunch of supplies so you have to go to the grocery store less, which in turn lowers your potential exposure to the virus. The UK is a free country, so people can choose which way they shop. Such is life. People tend to have an optimism bias. They don’t prepare for things ahead of time. Despite the fact that blizzards and tornadoes are a thing. Stay safe.

[@ukmediawarrior]

@@danielevans5286 Thats what I was referring to, the empty shelves. I saw a news report of people queuing around the block at an Asda at 6am waiting for the doors to open and then running through with trolleys to get to stuff they need. Shelves empty a few short hours later when others turned up hoping to find food but the stores had nothing left in the warehouse and were awaiting delivery. If people just stopped panic buying everything would be fine.

[@ukmediawarrior]

@@bigredwolf6 I read a report from a retail 'expert' who said that how supermarkets operate has changed over the years. Decades ago they kept stores of food on site in warehouses to keep shelves full, these days they run on a 'just enough' policy and have to wait on trucks to arrive with new deliveries if a shelf gets empty. The problem is those who hoard prevent others getting much needed supplies. Yes, if you buy a ton of stuff you don't need to go out again, but what of those who now can't buy anything because you and people like you hoarded it all? What do they do? They have to keep coming out or going to other shops in the hope they can find food and so the chances of them getting infected go up. And no, people don't prepare much in the UK because unlike some places in the world constantly hit by environmental impacts the UK has been, up till now, pretty steady and free of such things so no real reason to. Which is why we look so stupid when an inch of snow falls and people go crazy to buy bread and milk, lol. But as I said if people simply stopped panicking and went about their shopping as per normal everyone would get food and other essentials easily. Being free to shop how you like isn't an excuse for panicked behaviour when there is no need to panic

[@BlazerK1914]

If Darth Plagueis never exists, Anakin and his kids wouldn’t exist as well.

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

That's right. I thought Anakin would just remain a slave but you reminded me that without the Sith, Anakin will never be born. This of course means that Luke and Leia will never exist, Han will have a different life, no Ben and of course no Rey

[@jonathanryan9946]

You mean Anakin and his long list of descendants. His bloodline ending is propaganda from Darth Jar Jar and his apprentice Darth Kennedy.

[@BlazerK1914]

Those were just...dreams everyone had. Jar Jar, for example, was an illusion most Prequel characters were able to see...I think 🤔

[@jonathanryan9946]

@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 You mean Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo were the kids of Han and Leia. Luke Skywalker married Mara Jade and they had a son named Ben Skywalker.

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

@@jonathanryan9946 yes, they too will not exist.

[@JaelaOrdo]

Without the Sith influencing things groups like the Trade Federation would’ve turned into Hondo once the Jedi showed up. “This effort is no longer... profitable!”

[@JR-bf8su]

Hondo in charge of the Trade Federation now that is a scary thought

[@TheArberter]

I believe that there would be some kind of "clone wars" even if without the sith behind the conspiracy.

[@robertnelson9599]

I think there would have been a Separatist Crisis, but not an actual Clone War.

[@casbot71]

6:42 "This system was designed to weed out the weak and _install a healthy hoarding mentality…"_ So basically they started a panic on toilet paper for 7 year old Numoidians.

[@25843]

“There isn’t riots in the street” oh how poorly that has aged

[@Longshanks1690]

There would doubtless have been *some* kind of alien collaboration and uprising in the Outer Rim at this point but without the Clone Army to combat the Droids, I don't see any situation in which the Republic could have prevailed as the Jedi could not do that on their own.

[@theliato3809]

There likely wouldnt have been a droid army in this situation either. Youd see both sides putting together actual militaries which would make the conflict much bloodier.

[@kylegesin7178]

It is true the republic would have the clones with out the sith interference. But, would the separatists have had he droids with out them? Remember it was the sith the made the whole free trade zone situation, and set it up to where the corporations were arm8g themselves. While I think they still would have had some kind of force for protection, with out the sith interfen e, I don't think they would have had the big Droid armies.

[@dixievfd55]

Don't forget that many planets had their own fleets and militias.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Yes and no. War was largely innevitable by 23BBY. It just wouldn't have been the CLONE Wars. It would have been more chaotic and likely ended in a crushing CIS victory. There would have been no Clone Army as it was the Sith who manipulated Sifo Dyas to commission one in secret.

[@elgoblino9918]

CIS would have won if it wasn't for Palpatine.

[@legoroan9866]

El Goblino they wouldn’t have existed!

[@maximumeffort7096]

@@legoroan9866 They legitimately would have. The republic was evil as shit.

[@lenkagamine4145]

I dont think there would be a war. I think the CIS droid army would succesfully strongarm the republic into accepting their secession peacefully, as they originally intended. The republic has neither the stomach nor firepower to resist.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@lenkagamine4145 Oh there would be war. A CIS Civil War might have followed suit as trade disputes erupted between it's disparate corporate leaders no longer united by common cause.

[@haotongxue2508]

"After all there are no riots in the streets"... Yeah that didn't age well at all

[@piercepayumo4212]

Anakin: I got a present for you Wrecker. Wrecker: Oh! Seriously? I get to blow it up!? The whole stinking thing!? (Anakin smirks and hands wrecker the detonator. Crosshairs on the other hand was a bit jealous on what Wrecker was allowed to do.) Wrecker: This... (sniff) ... is the happiest day... (sniff) of... my life. (Wrecker presses the trigger and blows up the ship and some of the fleet.)

[@Schtauffen04]

The rest of the bad batch: 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

[@chrissnyder8415]

Do you often Role-play on YT? Only thing more Pathetic is you having to do both parts by yourself. That should tell you something.

[@generalgrievous2782]

@@chrissnyder8415 Do you often decide to spew your noxious presence into YT chats, or am I just lucky today? The only luck I feel is that I don't know you in person.

[@generalgrievous2782]

You're comment was unique and fun to read, despite what some might say about it.😀

[@yogidemis8513]

dark doggo07: Reading your comment I completely forgot about the new episodes of season 7. Whoo hoo! Who else is enjoying Clone Wars season 7!!

[@Grubnar]

The Clone wars? No. Some other wars? Yes!

[@casbot71]

*_"Things fall apart,_* *_the centre cannot hold"_* While the Clone Wars wouldn't have happened without Plagueis [he really should consider changing his name, it's kinda awkward in the current climate] and Sidious, the Galaxy was still unstable and deteriorating. But instead of a grand conflict that would've encompassed the entire galaxy, there probably would've been further slow decay and just a gradual loss of control and the will to do anything about it. The one thing that would change it in 4 ABY [although they wouldn't be using _that_ dating system] upon the death of Yoda. It can be argued that is was his failings that allowed the destruction of the Republic, the Rise of the Empire, and the virtual elimination of the Jedi. That does not look good on your CV! Which could explain why the only job he could get was swamp attendant… But in this *alternate reality, the Republic still exist, but is even more tired, corrupt and indifferent. But with Yoda no longer in charge of the Jedi and no longer in charge of molding young Padawan minds, there is a chance for renewal. A reformer in the vein of Qui-Gon Chin or Dooku, that wasn't so ossified with a 900 year old attitude could reinvigorate the Jedi order. And they could save the Republic, first by fighting the internal corruption plaguing it, and then by fighting the criminal elements and chaos external to it that drove desperate people to align themselves with authoritarian figures in the hope of stability, safety and order. It would require dedication and a purpose, but if the Jedi order shed it's dogmatic willful stubbornness and extreme conservatism imposed on them by Yoda, it could be up to the task And having a rebuilt Republic Patrol fleet to police the Outer rim and help the Jedi protect the population from pirates and slavery would also help. *Alternate Realities are good, they keep JJ Abrams away from destroying the spirit of your fandom by making _his interpretation_ occur in a different dimension to the storyline you love. If only there was a Star Wars Kelvin timeline, where all the ridiculous power creeps could be kept away from the main universe.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

Personally I am sceptical that there would be some kind of reform after Yodas death. He was just the last of several similar minded Grand Masters since the End of the War against the Sith. The Jedi as institution were very hard to reform and very much hold on to their traidition, even false ones. I would say it would had needed a greater crises to work as a signal for change - but it is a difficult balance between a crisis which the traditional Jedi see just as confirmation that their way work, and one that hit not so hard the Jedi and the Republic (almost) fall down (like for example the Exar Kun rebellion or the Mandalorian Wars which almost brought the Jedi down and maybe together cost more lives than the rise and fall of the Empire). Some Sith would say the Jedi know so much and understand so little. And I am not sure that after Yodas death this would have changed.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

@Gaius Wyrden Than he could not be THAt incredible wise and powerful. The Sith were just a few, while the Jedi were many - but they were even not able to notice that the force was manipulated until it was almost too late. That is not very impressive for a said to be strong organisation with dozens if not more masters and many, many more knights...

[@jack2631]

"So proud of humanity there are no riots in the streets" That comment did not age well.

[@mycelia_ow]

Technically there's always riots going on _all over the planet_ not just the US, there's injustice and war constantly in motion thousands of miles apart.

[@SovietRussia777]

For real, so much for coming together here

[@diegocardenas1452]

strangly enough none have happened in china

[@baileymash]

@@diegocardenas1452 that's because the Chinese people are smart, they know what will happen if they riot, they will be punished severely and it will be covered up.

[@AK-ny5bz]

Basically Jedi were ambushed between Palpatine from inside and Dooku from outside.

[@greyclaa]

The action really explodes at 12:00. Sweet commentary! "We must continue to work together" Thank you Allen!

[@calvinmatthews1527]

When you started talking about the Coronavirus Pandemic, I almost teared up. Keep doing you man and stay safe.

[@vitiate5093]

Yea a survival rating of 95% for people in their 80s seems not worth a fuss over.. simple immune supplements to boost the immune system work just fine.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

If Sidious and Plagueis didn't exist, I feel like the Clone Wars wouldn't have happened

[@fishyf5603]

There might have been a different sith that will not be as smart as palpatine and just start another sith war because Darth plagues the widse would not find them

[@MagnumInnominandum]

No Plagueis, No Clones.

[@fishyf5603]

Yeah because palpatine the leader of that group and without them the jedi couldn't get funds

[@reedcoffman3210]

The war wouldnt of happened but the separatists movement still would of happened

[@yagdtigercommander]

@@fishyf5603 True but if they were less effective than palpatine the conflict could have been shorter and the Sith Lord pulling the strings found a lot sooner before they could gain control of the senate and be arrested for crimes to commit conspiracy and against the republic. Legitimizing the efforts of the pacifist and diplomats on both sides looking for peaceful bloodless solution to the issues they had with each other possibly allowing for the CIS to be a legitimate government in the Outer Rim. While at the same time discrediting the War mongering sub factions with in the two groups dismissing them as nothing more than fear alarmists and Traitors to sold their soul to a Sith Lord who promised them power and influence if they were loyal to the evil space wizard. lol XD,

[@Fragmatic88]

One of your best essays Generation Tech! Nice work!

[@hamsters7760]

The ending commentary on this one is great. I really hope you nailed it.

[@CariettaW]

I love the way you concluded this video. Politics has become far too much of a polarised institution with people blindly supporting their 'team' rather than holding the government to account. We will see that the lies and spin about our how great our services, such as healthcare, really are when they are tested to their limits.

[@EBLego]

I like how you point out that Trump can be incompetent, but also show that the opposition to him is equally incompetent and unrelenting in unreasonable attacks. That's a pretty fair view of things.

[@1969chgoodwin]

He ordered a travel ban in early January but was called a racist and blocked by liberals yet this idiot on gen tech claim he waited to act. I dare him to go look at obozo's response with the h1 virus. He waited 6 months to act all while millions were infected and over 12k died in the US. It's easy to trash Trump when you don't care about facts

[@_Flashing_lights_]

Hi Alan keep up the good work I now know a lot more.

[@ironfistdragon]

i love your positive outlook. we need more of that now a days. thank for your inspiring words

[@supergkop5678]

I think it would still likely happen but in a much different fashion. While Palpatine was responsible for many aspects of the war and its outbreak the Republic would still be incredibly corrupt without him and all of those reasons why many planets chose to leave would still exist. I would say many planets would still, at some point in the future, secede but without the clone army(which was only created due to Palpatine) either the Republic and Jedi would let it happen or they would militarize.

[@lenkagamine4145]

It would be a hard sell to get the jedi to resist the separatists militarily, when you remove Count Dooku and the capture of Obi-wan from the equation. The sith really forced the hand of the jedi, they couldnt just abandon one of their own. In a situation where the separatists try to seccede peacefully by strongarming the republic with their droid army, it would be hard to convince the jedi to lead a pre-emptive strike against them like they did in our timeline.

[@auroa9854]

the clones did exist but the jedi who created it got killed by palpatine or dooku

[@hendrix923]

Damn man, great research on this video, really interesting thank u.

[@alec7501]

Hey What would have happened if Luke joined Darth Vader at cloud city? or if he missed the escape hatch and died, how would it effect the Galactic civil war?

[@Lucy_Ferrr]

came for starwars, left with an existential crisis

[@ericshawn3169]

I liked the politics and economics of the prequels and The Clone Wars

[@WalkerMedia77]

You guys are doing great keep it up.

[@frozarburst6350]

Not really sure this answered our question, but it was so inspiring

[@afa78djd]

Neimoidians seemed like they were based on ancient Chinese aristocracy. They remind me a lot of how they painted ancient Chinese Emperors.

[@LillyTensei]

Man that ending monologue didn't age well did it.

[@alpharaptor4375]

You should make a video explaining the Sith troopers like where did they come from who are they.

[@viking3137]

"there are no riots in the streets" imagine looking back at this video now

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

"There are no Riots in the streets." Lol this line aged poorly.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

Kudos to you for trying to put a positive spin on our current situation. I see many people trying to spread fear and panic and others like myself and you trying to reassure others that we will make it through. Thanks for being in the corner of rationality!

[@cuddlebuff]

I love this channel so much

[@bendu8282]

It’s a high possibility but it would probably be a very different war. Even finding the clones is something that Obi Wan only achieved by pure luck(which he doesn’t believe in) but still chances are the separatist probably would have won cause the Republic did not have a huge army at the time and chances are considering their numbers and the need to prevent more loss of Jedi lives they would let them go. A peaceful ending without the corruption of O’l Palpy.

[@reedcoffman3210]

What most likely would of happened is the battle of geonosis would of never happened and the jedi would not of been captured because jango would still be bounty huntering so the republic would of probably accepted the cis as a legitimate government

[@jacobrobinson787]

holy shit that turned into a slap of reality near the end there. Wow.

[@randycheow4268]

Well yes but it might take a really long time not to mention the war would be very different since the republic in this case doesn’t have a clone army

[@AshleyHope4More]

Thank you for your comments at the end of the message unrelated to Star Wars - your optimism and hope for the future is inspiring. Also, as always, love your videos

[@jamese.spearman7577]

Holy god damn the ending was inspirational as hell

[@ducktender397]

Alan- "Despite these uncertainties there are no riots in the streets" 14:17 me- *laughs in american*

[@lordnixon7512]

That Bill Pullman speech always gets me amped up

[@christophereason7863]

You guys Rock!!

[@brysonwiller8557]

Damn I was just trying to watch starwars and this man just went off at the end

[@c.o7993]

Well they wouldn't have been called the clone wars

[@karlswanson5538]

Thank-you for your message at the end of this video. You seem to be on the middle path, and I hope your speculation on the results come to fruition.

[@AlexPastGrey]

Not gonna lie the twist at the end was cool

[@picklerick4944]

Do a video on what the galaxy would look like with no force users

[@Kal-El_was_taken]

Quality as always

[@yourstruly4817]

Are we blind?!! Deploy the toilet paper!!!

[@foxhound963]

The only way to kill a coronazombie. TP to the head.

[@MultiMachinegunner]

I knew the Independence Day movie speech was going to pop up at the end when he started talking about humanity coming together XD

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

Really enjoyed that last part.

[@bigredwolf6]

Well what else are you going to do with 200,000 clones and a million more on the way? Stage a clone attack on the wookies?

[@metalinferno8392]

@Generationtech thats a very heart warming message at the end guys i hope so more people understand the problem with the whole world in these days humanity first

[@chrisl9112]

How did we go from pondering the likelihood of the clone wars without sith influence to rallying speeches against the coronavirus

[@kylegesin7178]

Hands down the best movie speech ever. Period. And you just perfectly used it here. Loved that. Good message, I hope you are right about us coming out the other side better. Thanks for the content.

[@ltbuttersnapa2924]

What if the death watch came into contact with Sol3? Death watch under Pre Visla?

[@englishlady9797]

Well, since Dooku was basically behind the creation of the Clone Army and the Inhibitor Chips, order 66 may well still have happened.

[@johngervais230]

I honestly doubt it. While the Jedi may or may not have fixed the underlying problem, without the Sith, a war on the scale of the clone wars would not have happened. The separatist alliance was mostly kept together through the Sith, and they were not always the most supportive alliance. Member states routinely went for their best interests over the good of the Alliance. More likely, you would have continued seeing small scale conflicts in the outer and perhaps mid rim. Change would have happened in the very long term, with small pangs of violence erupting with some consistency.

[@yagdtigercommander]

Yes i totally agree with that. Also since CIS had less radical members they would want to work for a practical solution with republic and same on the republic side we saw attempts to even with the Sith involved however alot less successful and dam near impossible to achieve with old sheev controlling everything from the shadows. Without the Sith it would be more successful still not a guarantee. But the odds would go from like only 5 percent success rate to like a 75 percent over night. It also means less indoctrinating propaganda on both sides so the issues won't just be Republic or CIS itself depending on few points citizens will be more aware of the internal issues of both factions on both sides to. Meaning that if both the CIS and Republic can resolve their external issues with each other and the republic respects the CIS's rule in the out rim. Then Ironically they can help each other clean up the internal messes with their respective governments. possible improve the galactic economy with more trade and if the republic wanted to set up some out post and colonies on undiscovered systems in CIS controlled space they might be able to permitted to do so which could benefit both factions. And the Republic might not have send a security force over long distances If on good terms with the CIS because they could provide security forces against pirates and other external threats. And if another 3rd party faction that is strong enough to challenge both the Republic and CIS that wants to conquer the galaxy then could have common enemy in another large scale war and if the republic was allowed to have small forward bases in CIS territory they could have initial reactionary force against this new threat until the main fleets were to arrive and reinforce the republics military ranks to effectively aid the CIS. but only one can speculate as again tension and smaller conflicts could still have happened but it would be easier de escalate tension and possible allow for the 2 factions to co exist in the galaxy and possibly become allies instead of bitter enemies. meaning if other external threats arrived their combined efforts could keep the galaxy defended indefinitely i predict.

[@Tutto_T]

Watched this today the riots part has changed so quickly 🤣

[@iane1022]

Ahh yes, pre existing condition coverage..... I hope one day they'll allow us to get insurance on a previously destroyed home...

[@keithkania3810]

I mean I can definitely see people in the outer rim purchasing B1’s for protection, since they were very cheap and proper protection was lacking for the settlers in the outer rim

[@michaelmiller44820]

No Palpatine, No Clone Wars... Know Palpatine, Know Clone Wars...

[@imbelgian8293]

One thought that I had in mind was what if the new republic wasn’t destroyed by the first order by starkiller base. Like what if they missed by a hair and the resistance reaches out for the new republic to declare war on the first order.

[@trainknut]

The title: "Would the Clone Wars Still Have Happened Without Palpatine?" The actual video: "Is corona virus a test for humanity?"

[@pyeitme508]

Cool video.

[@SivaExperiment]

You were kinda far from the truth of coof

[@selenagamya1612]

Came for Star Wars theory, instead got the most level-headed analysis of the Covid pandemic I've ever heard.

[@maestrofeli4259]

OWO what's this? Gen Tech is LibLeft?

[@Loneguy22]

Hey Allen I was wondering, what if the Jedi had kept out of the war? Instead of fighting, suppose they went into hiding. I wonder would they try to broker a settlement, let the galaxy burn or would they perhaps split apart. What's your take on this subject?

[@donaroo]

Message wide, this is your best video

[@DemonsRun87]

I was wondering if you were going to admit where you got that quote 😂

[@jacktaylor2065]

Holy shit can I watch a Star Wars video without the god damn politics please

[@Aotearas]

@13:56 oh sweet summer child.

[@GodlessScummer]

Your comment at the end about there being no riots in the streets hasn't aged well.

[@inyalgaico1563]

Its kind of a 50 50 because the intial spark of the war the confrontation on geonosis with douku started it as the CIS saw that as an attack by the republic with the republic viewing the army they saw as a secret plot was caused by palpatine since he kind of ordered the "recon mission" there is a chance civil unrest would ensue but at the same time there is a chance is could lead to the galaxy being split in 2 factions similar to the independant regions of the early galaxies history

[@yagdtigercommander]

Honestly I am not entirely sure how it would pan out. On one hand tension was inevitable but maybe not the extremes that is was. We probably would have seen more smaller conflicts or short term proxy wars. But maybe not a galaxy wide event. Simply because Sidious was an evil space wizard that could persuade even the most sound minded individual to do something out of character. If you had a Sith Lord who told you I have your back on any decisions you make that can control political legislation or government then basically you can't be accountable for anything because he will just bail you out. However the only downside is you have to be of some use to him if he considers aiding your ambitions which means you will probably be killed off on a later date when he sees you no longer as an asset to have but a liability that could hinder his plans of having full control of the senate and ruling the galaxy with an iron fist. Without that even the most selfish and greedy politicians or mega corporation owners would know that open conflict can be bad for re elction and business for sure. It also means that you have no get out of jail free card if your caught or accused of committing a crime/crimes in the legal system. Meaning your are accountable for your actions and their are negative consequences in the end result. Sure you might be able to have some influence by either bribing or working at out plea deal with law enforcement officers. But your still having to pay fines or go to jail for a certain amount of time and your reputation will be hurt. Making you less creditable as politician or hurting financial as a business or mega corporation. Also because both sides have members looking for a peaceful revolution than all out war it might be more effective. Because you don't have evil space wizards interfering with the efforts and causing lies and fake drama to cause chaos. Like fabricating Bacta shortages or staging false conflicts or causing civil unrest based on deceit lies versus the actual facts. This means their won't be as much wide spread brain washing propaganda and you might even see more debating on issues in both Republic and CIS senates. Their will be more dialogue and voting on decisions that may take more time but are more rational to solving issues between both factions. The Republic might have been okay with CIS wanting to be independent but maybe they had to make some concessions on both sides. Allowing for trust worthy leaders on both sides to find solutions to problems for each other. CIS and Republic officials might have been able to work together and gain leverage on the greedy corporations that oppressed the outer rim. By enlisting heavy sanctions against them or convince investors to boycott them for more reputable companies. Forcing the corporations to go through reform phase and exposing the corrupt and fraudulent leaders such as Nut Gunray of the Trade Federation and having them replaced chair members who are more ethical and stand by the corporations mission if its meant to provide security for the outer rims citizens or trade routes they are going to use their security forces as intended and not has hire goons to collect debt owed. Or if your corporation is involved with helping people get off debt like small businesses in the real world then people only have to worry debt collectors threatening to garnash wages or eviction letter notices or even fines/jail time if the debt owers are committing fraud. Versus having a Hellfire Droid or Homing Spider or AAT threatening to kill you or blow up your home because you ow money. I think that is too much over kill. Harassing them via holo net projection is punishment enough lol. Or things would just been the same but taken longer who knows for sure. But these are the kinds of things I would want to happen at least in an alternate star wars universe with no evil space wizards to pull the strings from the shadows like a puppet master or playing 4 dimensional chess while having epic evil laugh. Then saying everything has transpired as a have for seen. But to then only be trolled later by assassin droid named IG 88 who hacked your second evil death sphere and wondering why the door keeps slamming shut on your face as your about to enter your personal quarters lol.

[@BaileyBecca]

Watching this months later that ending is big sad with all the riots and lack of unity

[@drakarsb]

To answer the literal question in the video title, Yes the clone wars would of still happened just with someone else as Darth Plagueis apprentice. Without the sith influancing events, a war might of happened but most likely is war not happening and the galaxy spliting between the outer rim and the core peacefully.

[@BlandSpagetti]

Could you go through all canon types of clone/storm troopers

[@lordpfeiffer8490]

not going to explain how italy has 1100 dying a day

[@1969chgoodwin]

Lower standard of living and when large populations are closely living together it's a breeding ground for biological agents

[@OsirisGaming66]

I have a question for you all. In Legends, at year 1,000BBY was the first time in a while that the Chancellor wasnt a Jedi. My question is, Why werent the Jedi Chancellors or even really in the Senate, like before the Ruusan Reformation?

[@TheJediCaptain]

If Dooku was required to denounce his title for the Jedi, was he still called "Count" in the Order?

[@zacharystewart851]

Whoever has commented on the video this early is a true fan

[@RevolverOcelot1]

No, no. That's not true. That's IMPOSSIBLE!

[@Boringspy]

Emergency situation! Dolphins have invaded Italy! 😂

[@mrdoctorprofessorpepsi3662]

Yes because Sifo-Dyas started it

[@yourstruly4817]

Excuse me, Master...? Master Sifo-Dyas was killed almost ten years ago

[@loregeek7853]

@@yourstruly4817 Dyas started it with Dooku who was under Palpatines control. Dyas only did it because he sensed darkness coming in the galaxy, which was the sith and the war. Without the sith I dont think the clones would have ever been made.

[@Vexreal_]

@@loregeek7853 he was quoting clone wars fam

[@mrdoctorprofessorpepsi3662]

Dooku was still darkness and was Savage and Asajj so that could be more darkness

[@zombiedalekweck2243]

12:09 I've already seen this in the comments but... this aged poorly, sadly...

[@cannonmallanon2264]

What was the music?

[@jpaul3462]

Well done and well said sir. Whitmore 2020 love it.

[@SkullLeader]

The only thing I can say for sure is that without Palpatine there would be no Senate!

[@legoroan9866]

Without palpatine, neither side could win Dooku isn’t able to take on the entire jedi order without Palps’ guidance

[@marcbartuschka6372]

Well I think the galaxy would have seen a major conflict in any case but a different one and maybe a few decades later. The Republic as they were would never be able to react to some dangers that occurred both in legends and canon. I ignore the Vong, but the Ssi-Ruuk or the Grisk alone would have created huge problems for a de-militarized and corrupt government like the Republic. Very likely the Republic would have done nothing against mounting attacks against border worlds, which would have resulted in more and more frustration in the Rim. In the end some kind of popular leader may have risen in the Rim - maybe a local commander or politician, maybe a rouge Jedi. That may have led to another type of war when this local hero become figure-head of some kind of secessionist movement (since I think the Republic would have not ignore him and the Jedi would not reacted friendly to Jedi who went a path similar like Revan)

[@boom8474]

Aww this pandemic speech was really really cute 2 years later.

[@LifelessTooth]

"Would the Clone Wars Still Have Happened Without Palpatine?" Answer: Legitimately