Would We REALLY Buy This Boat? - Seawind 1260 Catamaran

Welcome to Part 2 of our Seawind 1260 Patreon Q&A. Part 1 can be found here:
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Once again we're answering our Patron's questions about living onboard the 1260 and our transition from monohull to catamaran.
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00:00 Seawind 1260 Q&A Part 2
01:16 Sailing, performance and comfort underway
06:19 How does it feel to sail by numbers?
09:38 Do we use the nav station?
13:32 Can we access the engines easily?
17:39 Is there enough space onboard?
21:15 What other catamaran would we have bought?
25:00 Most and Least favourite features of the 1260
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[@Beaunage]

What a wonderful interrim boat lol. The 1260 is my dream boat. The 1370 would be amazing, but it's far too expensive.

[@seanwilson6521]

Ah, the crew - space for the crew. I'm so happy to really feel like you're going to invite crew on some of your adventures. I know you've mentioned having people on board, but specifically insuring that there is space - I can imagine it becoming a real part of the experience that is your life that you are sharing. I can't wait!

[@stuartrobertson6882]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before but on several of the channels I watch and sites around everyone speaks of the big problem with Sail drives is when you hit a reef. They just snap out and leave a huge hole. Shaft drives allow the boat to slide up on top of the rocks, the prop could still be damaged but no holes is the main advantage.

[@ChrisDraussen]

Yeah I would agree with this point of view. So basically as long as the saildrive is not at a lower level as the keel and the rudders, let's say, it can be ok. But I still have some concerns here honestly. I never saw it from underwater how it is implemented.

[@Huizerd]

Thanks for the insight!

[@kristaready8812]

Very informative!

[@snafufubar]

Looking forward to the new boat the first tour round and the first sail. Many thanks for the adventure with you both.

[@markjones3425]

Watching your videos makes me want to come along!! very good video and nice delivery ! Thanks.

[@rickemmet1104]

Great video guys! It's good to have a recap for the info we got through the boat show tours and the day to day views of the 1260. Just think how well that boat will fulfill the needs of a family of four that are planning coastal cruising trips in their home waters. Nice to have a summation of the design. Looking forward to seeing more of Australia!

[@bubbagail7450]

Another good one guys. Lots of info for those who want to know from someone who is actually experiencing what they are describing rather from someone just trying to sell you something.

[@vaneveryguitars8564]

Thanks for the review. Sorry you didn't have any bigger reaching/downwind sails as that's where the boat should really shine. We have a 1260 on the way with delivery next month. Looking forward to the cruising life on such a boat.

[@paulcorrigan8227]

Hi Van, can I ask where you are getting it delivered to?

[@wookieenookiee6696]

As always, another enjoyable and informative video. The two of you are are good mix of perspectives on the Seawind cats. I look forward to the next one.

[@sailingrubyrose]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@eddyaruda486]

I saw you discussing monohull vs catamaran on an episode of Gone with the Wynns. Congratulations! What a fantastic choice you have made on choosing a Seawind 1260!

[@garyag45]

It’s going to be an amazing adventure watching you two with this new boat. Thanks for taking is “land lubbers” along! 😎🇺🇸🧜‍♀️ ⛵️

[@murrayandjeandunnettcobine4120]

Great video. We would agree with all your comments. Life on a catamaran is so relaxing and easy compared to a keel boat. A forward facing nav station is great when on watch at night! Warm, dry, helm using autopilot. Best addition would be to have engine controls and joystick at the internal nav station as well!

[@ashbbassi8632]

Keep up the god work guys. I’ve been sailing our outremer 55 2001 family vessel for the last few years and will looking at investing on a 1370 somewhere down there line. So any info you guys can give us is really appreciated it. Fair winds ⛵️🤙🏾😎

[@hansk.4482]

In a followup to your "Shaft Drive" question, the "Antares Catamarans" vlog recently did a pro/cons of shaft versus sail drives. He had a few interesting comments. The one that struck me most was the Sail drives "Shaft seal". These tend to need regular maintenance (replacement), the catch being, you can only do that while on the hard, which may be more of an issue for catamarans as there are fewer dry dock possibilities for them. As for the bigger hole, I think statistically, there are very few boats that have gone under due to rubber seal failure, I also seem to remember that the Yanmar sail drive uses a double seal with a water sensor in-between (?). Cheers

[@abbbee8918]

Twice the chance of catastrophic failure on a catamaran.

[@charlessimmons7825]

Get them to install a Gurney bubble over the forward cabin - it solves the head room issue and gives you a view at the same time ;-)

[@beunhaas102]

The Gurney bubble didn't offer any views, it would be more like "Geoff" the electrical car from Top Gear.

[@TheBeggFamily]

Another great episode. Thanks, guys!

[@conradsmith1729]

I think the new Knysna 444 is going to kick 1370 backside

[@conradsmith1729]

Vision 444 build in Knysna South Africa

[@maurolimaok]

I can barely wait to see the adventures on the new boat!

[@BuzzSargent]

I am going to make a boneheaded comment showing my novice in sailing. Saildrive seems to me that if you were to hit a log, or other things while sailing you would end up with a substantial hole in the bottom of your boat. So if you have a saildrive the entire compartment should be made watertight. As we know, there are many things floating around in the Sea. This would worry me if I was over 1000 miles from anywhere. Love your shows!

[@photog48]

Hello again from south central Thailand...... sure enjoy all of your videos. :)

[@TheFlyingstop]

Nice one guys.

[@leeturnbull2759]

Good question about boom access 👍 would love to be able to look down into our sailbag 😒

[@cirdiam1800]

I meant to point this out a few videos ago - but I was sure somebody else would. I didn’t know why you had a neon sign in the window that said “IS IS” (without the space - which turns out to be a bit not so nice when you remove the space and look at the acronym). Later I realized it was an upside reflection of the RR (I’m a bit slow - even slower to realize the RR wasn’t for rest and relaxation but for Ruby Rose).

[@pmnfernando]

having a "shaft question" right after last week episode about massive "head room debate", was just priceless! ahahhaah my god!! "how do you find the additional room?" well, you go look for it!! i remember clearly that episode about the 1600!, it was when i knew it was going to be a Seawind from the beginning. I say you going to do 3 years on the 1370 its going to be great, and then a RR III Edition on a 1600. like the meme goes: "change my mind!"

[@H2Dwoat]

Hi, loved the two videos and I am looking forward to the videos on RR2. KZbin only allows on thumbs up so have some more 👍👍👍👍👍.

[@lyndacuppage7353]

Thanks for sharing

[@sailingrubyrose]

My pleasure

[@jordy641]

Sounds like the forward nav station is like being IFR rated.

[@billdillard885]

Enjoyed this series… And I’m a motor head… Not a Blow Boater! Looking forward to you all sharing your Break-In experiences with the RR2!!

[@darcygoesfast]

no doubt, with a brisk wind and a performance multihull, you will feel the acceleration. It is exhilarating so I welcome your performance reviews in the new rig.

[@dirtyoldfarmhand3]

Wonderful.

[@MrSpinnerbug]

Nick are you considering putting sea deck down on any exposed fiberglass decking? Great stuff!

[@jimk9417]

The 1260 is a great boat. I can’t wait to see the 1370 as a finished product.

[@Johnsouthshore]

I had a yanmar sail drive on my 1984 monohull.. never ever had a concern for 20 years.. sold it..after 20 years..still no issue as far as I know

[@victorbitter583]

It won't be long now. I've worked in a shipyard and it's surprising how quick the interior fitout can go. Not that the ones we did were anything like the quality you will be getting on RRII. When that bottle of bbq sauce runs out, do yourself a favour and replace it with the ETA brand sauce in the red bottle with the yellow writing and thank me later. It's been around since I can remember and I'm over 50, for a very good reason. cheers.

[@lordofentropy]

Headroom in the master cabin is now my main concern after last week's video 🤣

[@WhatAboutTheBee]

Head𝚛̶𝚘̶𝚘̶𝚖̶ in the master cabin is now my main concern after last weeks video. FTFY

[@AliasJimWirth]

Yeah, was that fun or what?

[@robweiss748]

Aside from the humor, I 'm 6' tall, the thwart ship berth would leave me claustrophobic. Not even sure a 44-45' Balance/Seawind would be sufficient

[@BillB23]

It's going to be interesting to watch you shake any wrinkles out of your new 1370. I'm confident that you won't pull any punches. Seawind has a stellar reputation, but anything built by man will have issues to be sorted. Fair winds and following seas!

[@paxtonorndorff5453]

First, love your videos very addictive. My wife and I are in the early stages of looking at catamarans and have found your videos to be very helpful. Now - the helm station on the 1260 & 1370 are both protected seeming to make it harder to communicate to your crew while they are standing on the bow. The Balance and many others offer a slightly elevated helm station, would this not be an improvement to the 1370's design?

[@owenkuntz9108]

Am I the only one who can’t stop staring at what the “RR” neon says in the reflection on the window? Anyway, Thank you for doing this and all of your reviews. It really opened my eyes to what is important in a sailboat.

[@dougheizenrader2280]

LOL! I noticed that as well. Was wondering if they had!

[@christerman]

Perhaps you could mount a couple of cameras on the Bimini to keep an eye out on the sails while in the forward nav station?

[@michaelduncan2759]

I knew we would get back to the epileptic spiders. In a biscuit tin in a round about way. 😂

[@partean]

Privilege also produce catamarans with shaft drives. Although these are not performance cats.

[@paulomeara7706]

The one thing that comes up more than once is the visibility. Why haven't boats caught up to cars and have little "reversing" cameras? Is there an issue with battery life? I mean, you could have on the bow, one facing the main sail, one on the edges for docking, one even on top of the mast. It would solve a lot of issues in being able to see what's around you. Is it possible to add one or two to your new boat while being built?

[@kennymcclymont2066]

Many do. A simple and relatively cheap add on.

[@paulomeara7706]

@@kennymcclymont2066 Really? I haven't heard of it before. But if people do then that's fantastic!

[@DG-cu1vt]

Privilege Cats also have shaft drive but they're very expensive.

[@brentrobertson6221]

I'm surprised they are not integrating cameras into the catamaran build so you can either pull it up in the B&G or a separate screen. If they integrated one on each back corner looking up or from the top of each side of the mast looking down.

[@conradsmith1729]

Seawind 1370 is great, but keep your eyes on Vision 444 build in Knysna. Would love to see them next to each other and maybe a quick race!

[@tomatobrush3283]

Antares Catamarans channel did some great videos on performance vs comfort.

[@christopherberthelet3977]

Awesome information. What is the shallowest thec1260 van anchor? Can she beach and launch like a southerly? Can she be dried out in tidal zones and marshes in Australia comfortably and ride the rising tide like the wharhams?

[@ChrisDraussen]

I am very impressed by your videos, also by the technical detail you put in the content. I also saw your, maybe not all, cat comparison videos. What was the reason why you did not also put a Garcia Explocat on the list? I know it is surely much more expensive over all but also very bluewater capable. Concerning speed I often hear in your videos, I do not know how Garcia Explocat is performing, as there are not many out there (I think not more than 2 probably). And how, if, do you see Garcia cats in comparison to Seawind cats? Thanks for maybe answering to my post.

[@tomatobrush3283]

One concept I like from the new Amel 60 is that all services are contained in an isolated chamber accessible only from the deck. I can't see how that could ever be achieved on a cat though.

[@sethc3333]

Privilege catamarans do this

[@tomatobrush3283]

@@sethc3333 Surely engines are not in one location

[@sethc3333]

@@tomatobrush3283 Ahh, well yes

[@colinboniface194]

Great video... I often wonder about forward nav stations and why it isn't normal... Would you drive a car with the dashboard and steering wheel fitted in the side door... Doubt it... Ever tried driving a side mounted forklift... Exactly...

[@jlsinchina]

Those damn heavy blenders😁

[@bryangoldthorpe8906]

At least one of the Dazcats uses shafts from memory

[@ThatDollLoopie]

You get shaft drives on hh Catamarans I believe, I know it's standard on the new oc44 and hh44

[@tterry911]

Recently watching the Wynns talk about their whole love story and how they met made me wonder about how you met and your story. Have you or would you make a video talking about that?

[@sailingrubyrose]

We'd love to to this.

[@MrJhchrist]

@@sailingrubyrose Do it! Although maybe you have hit on it a bit? For some reason I think you were both solo land based travelers and met in... India? But I really don't know if I'm making that up or confusing y'all with someone else!

[@ryanlewandowski1579]

Thank you for reviewing your experience on the 1260. I'm interested in this boat, so it's great to get hear your feedback. Regarding boom access: Like climbing a mountain, it's not just about getting to the top, you need to get back down. I've only spent a little time on a 1260 (at a boat show), and I felt like the step to and from the boom was small and sketchy. For my wife, who is only 5' tall, getting down is a challenge because she had to lean far over to reach the shroud as the only handhold. In the video, it looks awkward even for you, as you grab the shroud and lean back, hanging off the shroud, to step down. It just seems that it would be dangerous in rough seas with wet decks. For as safety conscious as you both seem, I'm surprised that you don't have a problem with that. Am I missing something? Or making too big a deal out of nothing? We're scheduled to get on a 1260 next week, so maybe I'll come away with a different opinion than last time. Thanks again for the excellent review.

[@damienmills293]

We got 10.7 knots on a reach with a hire 1160 in the Whitsundays with 25knots behind us.

[@Vik_spb]

You should check the "RR" sign reflection, its not very good)))))

[@wjhann4836]

Saildrive - shaft drives: I want to agree with you. Shaft drives have their advantages. What is often an issue - beside the diaphragm - ist the under water gearbox. You can easily ruin the shaft seal by fishing lines - charter companies experience that many times a season. Fixing that and caring for the oil needs the ship to put out of the water. The Lagoon had the motors mounted opposite with a 180deg. gearbox. Sad: you could not access the shaft bearing under the engine.

[@2212db]

I see large opening front windows in the 1260, but the renders for the new boat don't appear to show opening windows. Will they open, but just aren't shown on the renders?

[@lovtwotravel]

As a boat owner salt spray and rain cuts visibility through glass windows dramatically, Would you stop sailing in theses conditions in a Seawind

[@10lauset]

Cheers

[@svthorasailing4868]

I didn’t notice any anchor points on the Bimini roof top to hook off on to reef the main in the advent of getting caught by weather,also there doesn’t appear to be any lifeline points around the deck.The saloon door is an ingress point for mosquitoes and bugs/flies.

[@helenbell1715]

we run jack lines from bow to stern along the deck, on our catatmaran

[@abbbee8918]

How much more cabin headroom is there on the 1370?

[@markstafford5586]

Give it some time, I guarantee that in time you will “feel” everything just as well as you did in the mono. It’s different though.

[@CarlJohnson-dt9yf]

I believe with sail drives, you can plan on hauling out every year

[@licencetoswill]

once a year haul out is common anyway

[@boogle785]

I was hoping you would have answered the question " alternative boat to 1300 series", with a specific builder and model in the 45 foot range ???? thanks in advance 🙂

[@wallywombat164]

Is the head room discussion/problem going to be discussed when you take deilvery of Ruby Rose 2?.

[@imusuallycorrect]

Headroom... I must be doing it wrong. Love that door, great bit of design there. Any top tips for shorthanded or single handed cat sailing? Are these sort of catamarans suitable for this sort of sailing?

[@RiverWoods111]

I remember Nick saying that they are very much able to single-hand because everything pretty much comes back to the cockpit and can be done there unless there is an issue where you need to go untangle something up on top of the bimini.

[@michynature]

The Privilege 500 can be single handed and helm position allows for it.

[@bobojr456]

4:51...I thought you were talking about a guest for a second. I was like wuut..? awkward.. then I heard "wasn't anything wrong with her, we were weighing her down a lot" huh..!?!? then i realized you were talking about the boat. sorry i tuned out. multi tasking.

[@FlesHBoX]

Re: forward facing nav stations, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts of the fwd facing nav station in the Vision 444, being back against the cockpit bulkhead, rather than forward against the mast bulkhead. I think a 1260 would be my #1 if it was just a tad longer. I really agree with you on the 45 foot thing, though in my head I think 14 meters would be even better, get that extra little bit in there to make it easier to keep decently wide walkways in the hulls and still maintain a good LBR.

[@wjhann4836]

I drove a Nautitech 42 cat for 1800 sm from June on. The nights were fresh and wet. So we drove from inside. For me the position of the nav station would not be the most important. For us it was important to have a good seat (we modified the sofa) with good visibility outside and a quite good peek on the plotter. When I sat at the sofa with a cushion in my bag, I could sit comfortable and had a comfortable view outside without stretching (important). In addition to the exposed helm stations on the Nautitech there was no question were to do the watch. So what I've seen on the 1260 is not good. Perhaps you have some other opportunities than seen. Is there a way to sit inside with a forward view and high enough that Therysa sitting there can look around?

[@EuroNeuro]

Would you still need to go outside to reef with an in-mast furling mainsail?

[@peterwalker5413]

LoL, “… is it the head room?”

[@beunhaas102]

If the forward facing nav station really is that big of a deal (and I really wouldn't know because my only naval navigation experience was during my ICC Coastal exam...) than catamarans must be superior to monohulls in that respect, because I have never seen a (single deck) monohull with proper outside vision sat down from the nav station.

[@bigbpdx]

It sounded as if you would have second thoughts about taking the 1260 across the Pacific? I'm considering one as a solo sailor for exploring the Pacific. What are your thoughts? Also, can you recommend a Watermaker?

[@rustie4242]

Much safer in a Seawind than a Lagoon and faster.... PS The aft berth is the most comfortable berth at sea.

[@michynature]

Just curious, is this what you’ve heard or have you slept in both? Thank you kindly

[@Steddywelly]

In terms of the forward facing nav station, would it be doable to have a nice comfortable chair at the saloon table with an iPad ? Or is it a requirement to have in built navigation equipment forward faced Cheers

[@tomriley5790]

Do you think being a monohull sailor first makes you a better catamaran sailor than having sailled a catamaran from when you began cruising? Dazcats are shaft drive.... (personally i don't think this is actually a massive issue, if there was a significant problem with saildrives there would be an awful lot of poorly maintained boats on the bottom...)

[@dougcartwright1774]

love the channel. you might want to draw the curtains behind the RR light. the reflection looks like it says ISIS

[@paulcoba8154]

Not convinced that you even need a nav station in the saloon. They take a lot of space. As long as you can enclose the helm in the cockpit during inclement weather, squalls, you will almost always spend your time there.

[@jamesbennett5421]

I believe Privilege have shaft drives. Thanks for sharing your insights!

[@americanrider]

Antares also have shaft drives and midship engines

[@GaryMCurran]

As stated below, Antares, and also Catalina Yachts have them. I don't know of any others, though. It is expensive, but in my opinion, given what happens mechanically to a sail drive versus a shaft drive, I'll spend the extra money (if I was buying a catamaran, I'm not) on the shaft drive.

[@fredschneider4036]

Please move the rr neon to the middle of you guys all I can focus on is the reflection

[@vellamsetti]

Can you add question and answer as text overlay in the video, it’ll be really helpfull

[@juliesimpson3729]

What does the neon logo mean on the top of RR in these videos? I know the neon RR stands for Ruby Rose, but not sure about the one above it.

[@helenbell1715]

Its the reflection of the RR sign in the window

[@lucaschueli984]

Basically, it is engines which can sink catamarans! Years ago I left my engine-less 39' catamaran in the lagoon near the airport in Male, Maldives. Flying back 2 months later we overflew the lagoon and I could see from the air that the mast was not pointing straight to the sky. Arriving at the cat 2 hours later it was confirmed: the stb hull was sitting 1' (30cm) lower in the water. Inside the galley where a seacock had broken, the hull was flooded but there was no heavy engine to drag down the boat. Years later on another cat, the boat dragged the anchor to the beach in a squall. My crew got there and, at high tide refloated the cat and moored her again. Then he left. The next morning the cat had sunk. The saildrive had hit the beach and ruptured the rubber seal. The weight of the engine dragged one hull to the bottom where it was banging on yhe corals, with the other still afloat. ane found

[@baronvongrumble5732]

If your a Billy no mates, and solo sailor, would the 1260 be suitable ?

[@helenbell1715]

how well is the cockpit door secured when locked to the roof? Can it handle the accelerated forces during rough seas?

[@helenbell1715]

oh and low ceilings over the bed are great for bracing your feet on..wink wink nudge nudge.

[@kirk9671]

The hydranet sales on an open 46 are an extra 16k euros. Is it worth it?

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

where are you getting RR2 delivered to?

[@RiverWoods111]

Algorithm bump!!

[@sailingrubyrose]

Oooh, I can feel it from here. Thank you 🙏

[@jeffreysearle2996]

Your set looks like a pub, just need some sounds from behind the bar and maybe a baseball game on in the background. 😋😋

[@M-Swede]

It would be difficult for anyone to say you both haven't thought this whole endeavor out.

[@AhmadAlAjeel]

Can you put a seakeeper on a catamaran?

[@erickramer9291]

yea, but what about headroom in the bedroom??

[@markh2005]

5'2" short? Nope! Petite and perfectly formed! 😉

[@trevhedges]

A serious question guys! I agree forward facing Nav, but is there a risk of getting too Comfortable and actually falling to sleep on watch? Is it worth to get some sort of deadman switch like long haul train driver have, Press the button at 1 beep of the Alarm, or the Alarm will go off, if you still ignore it, it Considers you as away from the nav, asleep or dead! On a train it applies the brakes, obviously it can’t do that, but it could start a alarm in all berths?

[@RiverWoods111]

I don't think it would be that bad, and they can set a timer for every so many minute like 15 to wake them, but even if they weren't inside they would be sitting watch and still have a chance of falling asleep. That is why the more the merrier on crossings so you don't have to stay up as long on each watch.

[@trevhedges]

@@RiverWoods111 Fortunately for me, i can tell you Nick has that covered! So we were on the right track.. I’m not sure if he is going to publicly announce the answer..

[@adammallerman8153]

Regarding shaft drives, aside from placing the weight of the engine amidships, they need a lot less service than a sail drive. A sail drive needs and annual service, so If you're sailing a large cat in more remote places, e.g Tonga, it's harder to haul out a cat, and harder to source parts. So while most catamarans have sail drive for several designs reasons, there are disadvantages for cruisers.

[@gingin21jr]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@bigbpdx]

Do you feel that the Seawind 1600 can be reasonably handled solo? Also, do you know if Seawind will honor a request for customized sails (Logo on them)?

[@sailingrubyrose]

Hey mate, I think sailing the 1600 solo would be really challenging- the smaller Seawind boats (1160 and 1260) are ideal for solo sailing. And you can customise your sails, this is done through the sailmaker.

[@bigbpdx]

@@sailingrubyrose thanks!

[@Buck1954]

I think the current sail drive design is not there yet. I don't think they are robust enough yet.