Woven vs. High Tensile Goat and Sheep Fencing

[@davidelliott7231]

We run red brand woven for our hair sheep also. Never had one get out. We do have 2 pyrenees in with them but they have never attempted to dig out. We live in a high predator area but the dogs have never allowed us to lose one to predators. Great video!

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I really appreciate the feedback. Fencing is one of those farm subjects that I really enjoy talking about because it can either make are break you. I will be doing a video in the future on how to take up slack on a woven fence and repair using a Gripple Tool. Be looking for that. Thanks again.

[@PinkWillowRanch2024]

So I just bought a Homestead and I set up an electric fence the woven flat tape on one side of my pasture and there was Barbwire on the other. I’ve never had sheep and I was gifted a ram that’s about six months old. He showed me a very quickly that the fencing was completely insufficient. He went right through the bar wire so now I’m starting at scratch. Could you by chance do a video of your fence as well if possibleI would really appreciate it. I don’t know if you can tag me or send it to me now I’m starting from scratch and where I am. It’s getting into winter so I don’t think I’ll be able to do anything right now to get him squared away so that he can’t get out.

[@johnmichael7570]

Boy Red Brand has gone way up in the 10 months since this was made 😲

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I think everything has to be honest. I am glad I was able to purchase mine when I did. Thank you for the feedback.

[@WhisperingWildMarketFarm]

Thanks for the Video, we've got 5 strand Hi tensile and our goats will usually respect it but run though if they are scared. We have no comfort level with the gardens close by so we are putting up the goat fencing around a new pasture, I think the 4 330ft rolls we just bought with shipping it was around 1,200.00.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Expensive but worth it. Thank you so much for the feedback. Have a great day

[@french-canadianfarmer5049]

Very well explained. I agree that woven wire is a better long term investment as we've used both.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Many thanks for your feedback

[@normangilden3453]

Thank you for this information I’m getting everything ready to start raising sheep

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for the feedback. You will never go wrong with woven fence.

[@slandshark]

Just bought 3 acres and intend to get some babydoll sheep. What kind of fence did you end up with? Also, if you went with the woven fencing, how deep did you bury each wood post? Thanks!

[@haymaker299]

Cow in background is like "What is this interview about, I don't care for this, I'm going elsewhere." lol

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Yeah, she wasn't amused 😂

[@crystalgable231]

We are currently building our fence. It's this farm fencing PLUS 3 strands of hot to keep them off it.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Well that should definitely work. Thanks for the great feedback.

[@shawnmolden5541]

We have sheep and I went the high tensile electric way to start. Then just 2 days ago I watched a neighbors dog run straight through it. I instantly went and bought the red brand woven wire and will putting up shortly. I wish I would have seen this video to begin with, but you live and you learn. How well do you reckon the woven wire protects against dogs and coyotes? I can only assume it’s much safer. Anyway, thanks for the video!

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I’m sorry to hear about your experience. I’ve had great success with my woven wire. Save your high tensile and use it as a one line hot wire on the inside just 18” above the ground. This is more to keep the sheep (goats more than sheep) from leaning up against the woven wire when shedding fur. Have a great week.

[@joehackney4828]

Great vid with lots of good ideas and points of view. Thanks

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video

[@Naturalcall_19]

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[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you . I hope it helps.

[@bmcdonald7303]

Great information. Thank you.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Many thanks for the kind words. Have a great week.

[@a.ghobrial1092]

I was thinking the same thing. I’m getting into sheep and doing the research, all of your points make total sense, especially in 2022. We should not be relying on outside help because one day it might not be there, that includes the power grid . Do you do rotational grazing with the fence? If so, is it permanent and you just rotate with enclosure they’re in or what? Great content, thanks

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Good morning. I do rotational grazing and use the 14 gauge wire that is electrified to clip my charger wire to. I have a strategic lightening rod put where the maximum sunlight is all day. It is pounded into the ground right beside the fence. I spray paint the top of the rod bright orange so I know where it is. Within my four individual permanent pastures I am able to clip the poly braid wire onto the 14 gauge electric with no problem. This eliminated having to charge a line around all pastures. extremely simple concept. Please let me know if my explanation makes sense. I plant to do a video on this in the future based on all the feedback from this video.

[@ResurrectionProphet]

Until a big tree comes down in storm. I’m going through this decision on a new property right now. Woven gets crushed most times when a big tree comes down. . I had a huge locust tree come down with my high fence. Eight strands of high tensile and only busted the two top plastic connect loose on two post. With high tensile I run one strand of barb wire directly on the ground. Then 8 strands for goats. I keep it close at the bottom then spacing gets larger just like the woven wire people buy. You could go every 10 feet but I would prefer every eight. If it’s for cows, I would only run it like that gentleman has it right there. If the neighbors Chihuahua comes underneath. Bad Chihuahua I guess.😂 and a Great Pyrenees for the record would walk right under that fence if they wanted to. Been there done that. Guard dogs need electric on both sides at the bottom to keep them in lol

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thanks for the feedback. Have a great week.

[@cory1641]

Im in the middle of this decision myself. I think I'm going to go with your setup thank you for the video. I have goats on the way and sheep to follow.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I appreciate your trust in my video. I was told by an old farmer this - “ you might keep your sheep in tensile fence but never goats. And you will never stop predators with electric fence. It is made to keep large animals in and not predators.”

[@cory1641]

@@StewartFarmApiary That makes sense I'll stick with the electric stuff when I'm dividing my paddocks but I will Do a field fence around the perimeter. It's Costly especially right now with the material prices but it's worth it.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

@@cory1641 I have learned from watching and doing it myself that if you cut corners early then you will only have disappointment in years to come. I think you are smart for doing the fence in woven wire. I plant to do a video in the near future on how to repair a woven fence using Gripple equipment. Be looking for it please. Have a great day.

[@cory1641]

@Pavement to Pasture thank you. I'll keep an eye out for that video!

[@abad1708]

Good information!!

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for your feedback

[@rikkeles2331]

How does your woven fencing keep your goats and sheep safe from coyotes when they can easily jump over a 6ft fence? We are having a big problem with coyotes now killing the animals in our area and I am very concerned. They only real protection from coyotes seems to be a livestock dog or a donkey.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I’ve never had a problem with coyotes and this fence. Not sure where you are but sounds like you have for mutant coyotes if they are jumping that high. Sorry, but that’s all I can respond with. Have a great week

[@benitomonney2752]

Hello sir , I'm in Miami Florida do you know where l can buy the redbrand fence please ?

[@StewartFarmApiary]

You can go onto the Redband website (www.redbrand.com) and look at the top and see the section for "Locators". You can also contact Rebrand directly. I hope this helps.

[@benitomonney2752]

@@StewartFarmApiary thank you sir.

[@johnstjean1422]

Most likely they haven’t seen the price of it energizer have you seen the price on those? And you can’t cheap out on the energizer because it seems like it never supplies enough power.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Gallagher has a decent charger for the price. I have one that I use for rotational grazing. But yes, in general they are pricey. Thanks for the feedback. Have a great week.

[@aimeewhere_she_blooms5214]

Great info!

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you.

[@itisfinished7377]

@@StewartFarmApiary Thanks for the info. Has a coyote ever jumped your woven wire fence. There are videos of coyotes jumping seven foot fence.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

@@itisfinished7377 thanks for the question - I have never had and coyotes jump my fences. Some people put one strand of wire on the tip of it but I have not had a reason. I hope this helps.

[@jodiwatson6750]

You say “field fence”. Is this field fence or sheep and goat? The sheep and goat is considerably more expensive and I can’t figure out why.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Not sure I understand your question. are you asking if the sheep and goat are more expensive or the fencing? thanks.

[@noahriding5780]

Do you really have to have the fence that high? (Regarding your neighbors fence @7:30 into the video for cows, horses)

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Great question - I’m no expert but I think it is preference. My fences are no higher than 48” and you could add a strand of barbed wire or hot wire on top. Thanks for the question

[@pwammann1]

It was funny when you made the idiot comment but your video is brilliantly done. Good info. Thanks! What are you using to keep the weeds down? Sounded like you have a non-toxic method that works?

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Greatly appreciate the compliment Philip. I use straight apple cider vinegar. I like to spray it when it hasn't rained and the grass is really dry. It kills it much faster and allows for the "acid" of the vinegar to really take affect. I hope this helps. Thanks again for the feedback.

[@jeffcsimpson]

Do you have any trouble with goats getting their heads caught in your fence? I am about to buy some fencing and was told that I really needed to get 4”x4” for goats.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Yes, if the goats have horns, you will have problems with this fence at one time or another. We started debudding our goats and that solved a lot of problems with them. The 4x4 fencing was extremely expensive for the amount of land we have fenced in.

[@Seventhdayfarms]

If you goats have horns they will get stuck. Constantly!

[@triciahill216]

What are your thoughts about high-tensile woven wire fence that is electrifiable? I believe there are a couple of vendors making such a fence.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Premiere One makes a great electric woven fence. I am not keen on them just because I want to have a permanent outside perimeter fence. I have heard good things about them and there are a bunch of videos on them. I hope this helps.

[@atubeviewer4942]

Do your goats have horns? Ive had MANY goats get stuck in a 6x6 opening fence. Found 1 dead with its head and horns stuck in the 6x6, still breaks my heart thinking of it.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

We had those exact problems with goats when we owned them. Sheep are much easier for us.

[@atubeviewer4942]

@@StewartFarmApiary Your video is for goats and sheep, but this doesnt apply to goats and you don't have any goats now is what you're saying.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

@@atubeviewer4942We had goats for over 20 years in this exact fence. All that I discussed deals with both sheep and goats.

[@thomasclark5688]

Check out timeless fence and electrified high tensile wire. Sheep, dogs, goats, etc. will never get out and you wont need all those insulators as the animals get trained to it rather quickly. So, if you do have a power outage, the animals wont challenge it. Much more cost efficient and effective than both scenarios you presented.

[@FrogginHawgs]

Agree fully. He compared a well built woven wire fence with an internal electric wire to a poorly constructed hi tensile fence.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

thank you.

[@therealsideburnz]

The timeless posts are the best option for a long term hi tensile electric fence. Goes up fast, insulator is built in far fewer shorts as the posts aren’t metal. But nothing will ever get out? You’re dreaming. I have a 6 strand 50” fence as you describe. It’s hot. I wouldn’t trust it to keep out a coyote, and we have two troublesome yearlings that will scoot under it from time to time. If you really really need nothing crossing that fence line there is no replacement for a physical barrier.

[@PaulLadendorf]

$400 for a 330' roll now at Tractor Supply.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Insane. Thanks for the feedback.

[@brucemattes5015]

The issue of the power grid failing, thus leaving fence lines uncharged, is a legitimate one. No farmer posting on KZbin that utilizes high tensile electric wire perimeter fencing, that I am aware of, has any form of backup electric power in place. Neither a generator(s), nor enough solar panels, windmills, or hydroelectric generators (or some combination thereof), that will be sufficient to charge a bank of storage batteries for the absolute worse case scenario that might occur in their region of the country.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

thanks for the feedback

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thanks. Yes, when reliant on only one source that is artificial, you can really run into issues.

[@samoram.1814]

Where do you buy your red brand field fence?

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I get mine at Tractor Supply Company. We have one local to us and it helps greatly. I hope this helps.

[@appletree9635]

Red Brand fence is trash, Class 1 fence. You'd be lucky to get 15 years out of it. Get a class 3 high tensile 4x4 inch goat fence, Statite makes a great one. They are guaranteed 30 years but will last 50 more than likely. Everything tractor supply sells is junk fencing. Go to a local feed/farm store and talk to them.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

@@appletree9635 Thank you for the feedback. I'm on year 23 with my redbrand and have no complaints.

[@benitomonney2752]

@@StewartFarmApiary l can't find any company that selling that fence in Florida does anyone here know where l can get it ?

[@sergeymuryhin123]

As you have an increasingly larger area, the cost to fence even the perimeter with woven begins to far outscale any losses from having a worse fence (aka 10s of grand). This only makes sense for small acreage operations. Math out your situation. Also, watch out for Red Brand scam of pricing their "Sheep and Goat 48"" literally double their identical branded 47" distributed by TSC.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for your reply. I have been able to keep my costs lower because I do all the fence myself. I have also gone to another distributor for the fence and have been able to get a better deal. If you have a strong breeding Ram (or rams) and you loose just one it is more than the cost of the fence. I have no complaints with the cost of the fence because of the twenty years I have had it up with zero predator issues. Thank you for the feedback.

[@noahriding5780]

People are saying the Pyrenees dogs aren't as good as they used to be for some reason.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I’m MY OPINION - the watch dogs have been breed in so many times that they are not as reliable as they once were. Since making this video I have had more than one person private message me and talk about exactly what I mention in the video and the costs of maintaining the dog.

[@revhankreid5843]

Great video! #naturalgramma RevHank and Laura Reid

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you

[@PaulLadendorf]

When I found out how much a pyrenees dog is to buy and keep, I decided against it.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Yep - and vet bills, food, etc ongoing

[@larryenglish9292]

He could have run 12.5 gauge electric high tensile. And only energize 1 that’s eye level to your predator. 165.00 for 4000 feet. You can get almost 12k feet for one roll of red brand. Good video tho.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thanks. Have a great week

[@practicalsheepman]

The hi tensile fence in your video is a poor example. Metal t-posts are just waiting to dead short your fence. They also don't last as long as a good pressure treated post. A properly constructed hi tensile electric fence is the most economical way to fence larger acreages.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for the feedback. Hope you have a great week.

[@ZaneFarrar4]

$300 for 330 ft now

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Yep. Everything is more now.

[@benjaminbrewer2154]

At Lowe's yes 309, at tractor supply 210 last month though currently running at 249. 330'x47"

[@bassmanjr100]

I don't fool with goats anymore because they find it to be a game to get out. Cows and sheep stay in easy. I like woven but 5 strand high tensile is way cheaper, it is. Use wood corners and timeless posts. Done.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Great feedback. Thanks and have a great week.

[@lukehansen9185]

Don’t convince yourself that your animals are safe in that red brand wire a coyote will go right through it. I have priced both fences and 8 wires of high tensile is a lot cheaper than woven wire plus you can do wood posts on 30’ spacing for electric

[@StewartFarmApiary]

OK

[@PrimalHealthGuy]

How will they go through it?

[@benjaminbrewer2154]

​@@PrimalHealthGuyI've had a sow in heat go through (not under) redbrand that was less than a year old. Granted she had more mass than a coyote, but she retired to the freeze within two week.

[@nikkoshay5403]

Your perception on livestock dogs is mis guided. The child has more chance of being hurt by the goats then the dog. In my case, I have a breed of LGD that was bred to protect from human as well as animals and in that case, I simply tie the dogs up before visiting happens. Your correct about the food aspect though. But your goats and sheep are much safer with a dog or two. Bobcats, black bears coyotes and pumas will clear your 4 foot fence easy should that day come.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for the information. We don't have black bears or Pumas in the area I live in. So far the others have been kept out.

[@grimspyder0001]

If a coyote is taking your cow, you have bigger issues than fencing.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I would totally agree

[@FrogginHawgs]

You mention predators going under the high tensile fence, but it isn't the case. Realistically, a predator will more likely dig under your woven wire. The predator isn't going to dig if it doesn't have to, with high tensile it's going to try and go between the wires and it's gonna get lit up and flee. High tensile is undoubtedly cheaper for equal or better protection, and it isn't close.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for your feedback. I have mainly gone off of what I have been told over the years and used what has worked for me. My neighbor has high tensile fence and has had two coyote attacks. I mentioned that the high tensile is good if you have guardian dogs.

[@solomicrobe]

He doesn't see where it's cheaper? huh? Do the math. I did it was double.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

I think the issue is that you may be looking at the "goat and sheep" red brand fencing. That is not what I am using. I am using the standard field fence and put a link to the one I use that is a different lower price.

[@Seventhdayfarms]

You're not saving any money. A continuous electric line uses zero electricity until it's interrupted. Also, A/C with solar backup you don't lose power. #3 6 rolls of tensil wire comes in 1200+ feet so even after 6 lines it's cheaper...... I only invested in first pairings of dogs. Rest I got myself from breedings. I now have 10 guardians. Guardian dogs and they do not guard against humans. They are heavily socialized!!!! You should educate yourself better in this video. The tensil wire is $65 whereas the red fence for 330 feet is now $450. On my land of 1,000 feet by 1,000 feet that's a lot of red line. All of my animals are held in by aluminum wire. It costs me zero to run in and my dog food is paid for in breeding them and selling offspring. Hands down it cost me almost nothing.

[@StewartFarmApiary]

Thank you for the feedback. The video is not only about the cost of the wire. It’s TOTAL cost. How much does it cost to feed 10 large guardian dogs a a year along with additional vet bills for them. The wire I mentioned may be $450.00 not but it was not when I did the video. Thanks again for the feedback.