WOW! Hasan Piker & Pokimane Exposed! Critical Role Under Fire, Twitch Leak, Bretman Rock, & More

[@PhilipDeFranco]

I like you. Im glad you're successful. *leak exposes some of the money creators are making* NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!

[@ye6942]

Stealing my top comment I see

[@lostnemesis]

Man it's funny lol but I hope too god the people who have this information don't just decide to fuck up every viewer and streamer if they do have their information.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@whocares269]

Excuse me sir, why did you delete that comment about your shirts being defranco fluid free? Does this mean someone needs to buy your stinky shirt??

[@BigDaddyWes]

I don't understand how the Twitch leak is even a story. Big streamers make shitloads of money. That's not news.

[@virus640]

It's dumb that people think Critical Role is still small time. They've literally said they made it a company. They have an entire production team, as well as the cast members being key people in the company. They aren't hiding it.

[@monkeysk8er33]

As a DM, and player myself, I still think the show is boring as all hell. The only reason it blew up is because it's still better than 90% of the campaigns people run 😂😂😂

[@lawrenceredmacher4382]

whats dumb is that xqc makes almost as much just being an overreacting toxic moron

[@evalynn1863]

I feel like the people shitting on CR are just the people who always shit on them, now they just think they have more leverage against them.

[@hangman4011]

Well, they also donate to tons of charities. So they don't exactly get 100% of what's shown anyways. So people are really playing it up as if it's not being divided among production teams, the voice actors, mods, etc AFTER charity donations. It's kind of crazy to think about.

[@starojunes]

yea I don't even watch Critical Role but know that they aren't some small entity. Idk why people are so surprised or even upset over it. How the heck do they think they can keep producing the content they make?

[@molly-zx9cr]

Critical Role has been a company for years people just think they’re indie bc they don’t constantly cut costs and treat their employees like sh*t. Revolutionary idea, I know.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM …

[@sillyspekter4420]

They went from being apart of a company to owning their own and they seem to be doin p ok at it

[@grxryder]

Facts. I love cr

[@arkive11]

Geek and Sundry 2.0

[@ChibiQilin]

Indie just means independent aka they aren't beholden to a big publisher, record label (for music), etc. You can be massively successful, be around for years, have a huge budget and still be indie. In fact being financially successful and having a long career and still being "indie" is easier than ever now thanks to stuff like Patreon, Kickstarter, etc. Indie companies can have projects with tens of millions in budget.

[@lnfanity]

As a D&D nerd I’m thrilled that critical role is the top earner. It just shows how many new people are being introduced to the game. They deserve every penny.

[@Artifying]

I know I wouldn’t have gotten into D&D without CR. It’s a company that means a lot to me.

[@YoGramGram1]

If you told someone ten years ago that a D&D show would generate $10m a year just from the platform they stream on every nerd would laugh at your dumb, innocent face. Yet here we are.

[@TeikaChikata]

@@YoGramGram1 The $10m is since 2019 but still wonderfully impressive

[@lnfanity]

@GiNa RoSe Sᴇx Cʜᴀɴɴᴇʟ 21 Where? I didn’t see him on the top 100 list.

[@lnfanity]

@GiNa RoSe Sᴇx Cʜᴀɴɴᴇʟ 21 I’m an idiot, you meant the tweet in the video, my bad lol

[@tweakfreq1982]

A sellout is someone that puts the sponsorships over content. I'm not against creators being able to get paid, I'm against "creators" that are only extended commercials.

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

I will say a good example of this is a 1.5-3 min ad read in a 10-20 min piece of content

[@kronalord3764]

@@MrTrombonebandgeek depends on the nature of the content and where the sponsorship is placed if it’s ultra high quality once every few months for example I think it’s not a big deal

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

@@kronalord3764 I’ve typically noticed it with podcasts, which is usually every 1-2 weeks, and channels that cover some degree of drama or a drew gooden type

[@Diamond_Eyes86]

Well fuckin said

[@campbellryan4094]

bang on bro, 100% right

[@Flamerod98]

Honestly regarding the Critical Role situation, as a long time fan it really doesn't bother me. I know its a company, but it doesn't change the fact that the feel of Critical Role is still inviting. It doesn't feel manufactured or fake. So I am happy that they are very successful and I hope they continue to be. I think when you are that successful, your attitude and the way you treat your fanbase is what matters, not the idea of you being "indie". The idea that only "indie" creators can be good and genuine is a weird toxic idea on the internet and I personally have no love for it. To all my fellow Critters who are excited for Campaign 3, I'll see you there.

[@ElizaSimmer]

It’s how I feel with KZbinrs I’ve been following awhile (aka Phil)

[@bigman9490]

Yeah, I agree. I dont cant seem to understand how folks are mad at them (maybe they just stupid?) since they are basically a company like you said. They have like 20-30 people on payroll and that doesn't include items like Rent, production expenses, taxes, etc.

[@YoGramGram1]

Honestly, I feel even more excited that they are continuing the pre-recorded sessions this season and taking a week off every month. The pre-recording has allowed them to truly play at their own pace (and it shows) and the week off will allow me to catch up easier. All in all, they are continually making the show better, more digestible for old and new watchers alike, and I just can’t wait for campaign 3!

[@chintex_]

If they weren't as successful as they are they would never be able to make an animated show and that would be a shame. Also I'm so hyped vor campaign 3.

[@ramenruby5101]

Phil: Facebook ruined our county Comments: I like Critical Role lol

[@huntertuggle2667]

Maybe people don't like the whistleblower's views of more censorship?

[@azuman7]

In part because 5hey know they are hypocrites. They feed that beast and then complain about it. Same with Amazon. Lots of talk,no action.

[@TRaked]

@@huntertuggle2667 Well then they're dumb.

[@huntertuggle2667]

@@TRaked Go burn some books then.

[@notednuance]

Wait people were upset about Critical Role being at the top of the list? They have 8 on-camera personalities plus production crew... compared to a streamer that mostly is solo with little to no production team and you should be glad your live play D&D group is making the bucks to keep that many folk employed and spending their time just being entertaining role players.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@cookiemonster59263]

If you think about how much their money gets split up, it's not like any one person is walking away with loads of money (from subs) anyway, it's such a weird thing to get upset over...

[@rimurutempest4945]

@@cookiemonster59263 definitely. And if you think about it, Critical Role really is mostly just a passion project, considering they have other jobs like voice actors

[@MomotheToothless]

I don't think Facebook realizes that trying to silence a whistleblower makes us believe her more.

[@codgod5238]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM

[@Phillipwnn]

True

[@clearshade3560]

I don’t think you realise she’s advocating for mass censorship

[@brandyp7996]

@@clearshade3560 I don’t think you know what the hell you are talking about.

[@Reallytallsocks]

@@brandyp7996 ok, make an argument that disproves the point. A legitimate argument.

[@ContentToHover]

Critical role is a whole production company now, they talk about that freely. They have employees and costs and deserve to be paid for all the time and work they put into their JOBS. Who would think people's time doesn't have value? Ridiculous.

[@SquareViking]

These people probably just think it's them setting up everything on their own. Sure, they have a pool of REALLY talented people just from the players, scriptwriters, songwriters, PR-superstars, voice directors and the obvious one: Voice actors, but there's so much going on behind the scenes that people don't get. It's like TableTop Titans who started out in a basement and then fired off close to $100.000 on a new setup, while not just being the two on camera. People often forget the cost of a good production and it shows.

[@PandaBurrie]

Out of all the people I’m pissed at being overpaid for a job, online content creators don’t even scratch the top 50.

[@tengkuadam1399]

Damn now I'm interested in knowing what's your top 50. Or at least top 10!

[@zwenkwiel816]

Pissed? no Confused? yes Or am i just turning into a boomer?

[@coreytrayn]

Same, these are people just making entertainment and having their audience they build make them that money. There's far worse offenders in this world lol

[@jonsmith5058]

@@zwenkwiel816 yeah, you’re turning into a boomer. 😂 Whats to be confusing, these people have a mad reach and can get a huge number of eyes on a product. If you understand a company shelling out a butt ton to get an ad shown during the American Superbowl (it gets alot of views) then you can understand sponsors paying Twitch streamers alot of money. Its not a hard concept, even for a boomer.

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

Unless they're a hypocritical leftist who's exploiting the workers and capitalistic market forces to dig up millions of dollars while not putting it into good use. The sad part is that their oblivious viewers buys into it and thinks that these people are part of the working class. That society would become better off if their counterproductive division was made into policy.

[@avasam06]

1. While the numbers were never that present and up in our face, it's nothing new. 2. Critical Role is absolutely putting that money to good use into production.

[@vitrescent9110]

I love these comments defending critical role and the amount of likes they’re getting it actually did feel like way too many people were mad about it but not after seeing everyone else put their 2 cents in :)

[@TheJemmaGrl]

THANK YOU! Exactly.

[@Ezonial]

"Why do we root for people to be successful, and then get angry when they're successful." We call that toxicity.

[@GO-sz1nv]

A toxic, immature response to envy

[@davrowpot5585]

We have a term for that, it's called Crab Mentality

[@maschaorsomething]

I mean, it's probably not the same people. Plenty of groups hype up creators like Nicki Minaj, while I wish she'd just...not.

[@dr.phylisphical9294]

People arent made that their millionaires people are mad when you are a hypocrite like hasan and you stash all your wealth acting like your so high and mighty.

[@pinkfloyd30stm]

It’s kinda like how we would all want the best opportunities for our own children but then shame other people for being privileged or being brought up upper-middle class. Like isn’t that how we hope our children grow up?? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@cassesvultus43]

Critical Role is the highest paid creator on Twitch? Good, they deserve it.

[@Kingdomheatsox2]

Right? I’m really confused by people getting mad at a business for being a business

[@sinisterplank3113]

This makes me so happy.

[@AmberAHue82]

And they also created a non-profit to use that power for charity. Even from their first streams on Geek and Sundry, they were asking for donations to charity - not personal tips.

[@psycofire93]

Imagine getting mad at Critical Role, a legally registered company, for making company level money and paying their 30+ employees.

[@psycofire93]

@@Kumbaso I’ll never punish people for making their bag on twitch. Only things I disagreed with were hot tub and ASMR streamers taking over the Just Chatting category, now that’s taken care of. It’s just funny to me that there’s always something to piss CR fans off on both sides of the spectrum, and I’m proud of CR for having been on top (albeit this was before 2020 so who knows if that stayed)

[@Dylan-pp5fg]

@@Kumbaso That’s been happening long before twitch...

[@Dylan-pp5fg]

@@Kumbaso Also people like Xqc literally stream 12 hours a day.

[@NicholeParker]

@@Kumbaso maybe he likes playing video games? I’ve played games for about 12 hours before. Not everyday, in fact very rarely. But if I got paid to talk to people who were invested in me playing things I would’ve played anyways? You bet your ass I’d stream myself playing Hades or Binding of Isaac or whatever else struck me that day. It just makes you sound petty and jealous you can’t make money doing something you like, not him greedy.

[@skinnybuddha8988]

I keep seeing a shit ton of "everyone's mad at Critical Role" comments but haven't seen a single comment that said anything negative about them

[@mustafaalnaeem27]

Can't handle the cultural-cross pollination after seeing CDawgVA in this lmao

[@danielledaniel1900]

I wonder is he has seen this

[@princessaria]

I really don’t understand why people get mad over their favorite creators making money. As long as they’re not exploiting anyone, I don’t particularly care.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

Yeah ! It’s like people don’t want the independent entertainers to make a living but have zero problems with billionaires.

[@TheRedAzuki]

They literally make most of this money from their subscribers. So people who are upset might literally be the reason they make this much

[@Apinanoob]

How about their moderators that keep their chats clean but then don't pay them when they have more than the ability to do so?

[@theawesomechannel9416]

They are indirectly exploiting people.

[@solidale21]

Critical Role started from a living room and now they are in a production studio. Congrats to them for being successful and bringing Dungeons and Dragons to the mainstream!

[@codgod5238]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM

[@CattIsANerd]

Yeah I don’t get why people get upset at people being successful? They’re hurting nobody?

[@crazygur1y]

@@CattIsANerd envy

[@deltablaze77]

@@crazygur1y ^^^This

[@chbailey081]

Um... Critical Role deserves every penny. Do you people think EVERY D&D table is like theirs??? No... These are professional voice actors who put in a lot of work to make great content. I'm fine with them making a lot of money.

[@WolfHeathen]

Yeah, Critical Role is absolutely the exception to the rule when it comes to table atmosphere.

[@adamdahlin6025]

Yeah I'm a fan of their stuff and I don't even play table tops. DeFranco said it perfectly. "Why do we wish for people to be successful and then get mad when they are?" /shrug

[@dakotasir9849]

If you like a business, entertainer or what have you, then you should be glad that they're succeeding in doing well. And that attitude shouldn't change unless they are doing or not doing something to change it. If critical role started underperforming, lining their pockets and lowering the standards of production, then I could see not wanting to support them further. But if they're putting money back into production and all that stuff, and charities, then good, they are the kind of people you want running a profitable business

[@cassiebanks]

I don't get how people can be so clueless when it comes to business expenses. People need to realize employers have a TON of things they have to pay for like vacation, insurance, social security, taxes, UNEMPLOYMENT, other shows on their schedule, etc. They have to pay for the building their company resides in, all the fixtures and furniture, the electricity, bandwidth used for their web site and the fact that #CriticalRole pays union wages. The cast has said in interviews they take minimum SAG/AFTRA wages to pay themselves with, which also means in order to LIVE in California (one of the most expensive places in the world to live) they must continue getting separate voice acting jobs so THEY can pay the rent. Anyone complaining about Critical Role needs to go take a small business class that explains how much employers are actually liable for and stop falling down a QANON hole. SMH.

[@mandalevelsup]

Critical Role *is* a company. Travis Willingham is literally the CEO. These job titles that members of the cast have aren't just for show, and no one there is pretending otherwise. That doesn't mean they aren't a small or Independent company, just that they're incredibly successful at what they do. That's the point, gang.

[@MusicUnderMyBreath]

Completely Agree. Like I get it if people forget in the moment when Travis is on screen being all giggly but I'll never forget the time he called Marisha and Matt and basically said stop live streaming and deal with the fire, or the times he gives Laura and Sam the pike mom stare to get them to settle down lol

[@alichakra]

Didn't expect CDawgVA to be there ngl

[@Nicholasryan17]

Just learned about this guys channel the other day, hes in the video, and this is the first comment I see, funny

[@kinght676]

Same

[@pagionthevoiceless3682]

And this is why I shouldn't read the comments before I watch the whole video because now I'm just worried

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@Junkyardproduxtions]

I hate how Connor keeps talking down his success. It's not a rags-to-riches but he fucking earned his right to have money and should own that shit. I just hate seeing him talk down his money because he's worried people won't like him anymore, it's honestly kinda toxic in my opinion.

[@samsee_ca]

“Why do we root for people to be successful and then hate them for being successful?” I think this really hits the nail on the head here. Incredibly well said, Phil.

[@Walker998]

I think it's to do with how they are with all of that success, as to where that line exactly is? I don't know but people can be rubbed the wrong way maybe for the wrong reasons, maybe there really is something that they haven't been able to put their finger on and into words.

[@ChristinaMagma]

@@Walker998 the group of people rooting and hating aren’t the same i would assume

[@AndYouGotALetter]

No one is actually rooting for these KZbinrs to succeed. DeFranco talked about it a lot when he took off. He tried to justify it to his viewers. More power to him.

[@UnsafeTuna]

Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo come to mind

[@RikkiJVelez]

I imagine the hate is mainly coming from Boomers who think being a youtuber or twitch streamer isn’t a real job.

[@weezy9389]

CritRole literally has a 501 charity, a board game company, and a TV show in production who’s out here trying to claim they’re indie? Fantastic group of people.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@Acidfunkish]

Indie doesn't mean small.

[@mongmanmarkyt2897]

@@Acidfunkish this, a lot of studios (Netflix, Disney, etc.) Will fund indie companies to make content (for a contract of course, usually just a single season)

[@arandomnamegoeshere]

And in the grand scheme of the entertainment industry... they're not that big. Still indie.

[@lizablee]

Even the biggest streamers on Twitch are still not considered celebrities, just as the biggest earner on Twitch is still indie. It's not mainstream for the whole population, just the millennials and gen z's.

[@lori361]

I think a percentage of us can’t get over Connor being mentioned on Phil’s show xDDD

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@Stean027]

Its like worlds colliding lmao

[@Bramblestar9339]

So true

Yup, that sure was surprissing.

[@maglag]

Some cross-pollination going on here

[@DalmarWolf]

Americans are way too afraid of talking about how much money they make. In Norway where I live tax numbers are public. By everyone knowing what others make people have much more power when negotiating wages, only companies benefit from you not knowing what your colleagues make!

[@KC-ep6sg]

So true, I wish it was more like this in the US. Our labor unions aren't the strongest though and our corporations will do anything to keep workers in the dark and wages low, because profit is the only motive for them :(

[@boosti_alex1428]

Some American employees face retaliation from their employer if they discuss income.

[@trashofthefourthquarter1142]

@@boosti_alex1428 Because unions are so weak in the US

[@Christopher_Gibbons]

@@boosti_alex1428 it is a federal crime for an employer to merely suggest that employees are not allowed to share their salary.

[@RAWNERVZ]

Although I’m younger why thinks you ads too So truce or a glove slap and I fill the high ground and my city crew wanting girldk

[@Laggol]

Wow, Critical Role, the COMPANY that raised $11 MILLION on kickstarter makes millions of dollars, what a shock!

[@scorchedsnyper]

Me, likes Critical Role, sees theyre doing well for themselves. Me: Nice, probably means more Critical Role.

[@nothankyou6840]

exactly! like why are people so angry? any of your favorite content creators making money means a) more of that creator and b) maybe a larger project or something bigger they wanted to do that they have to put money into. or you know, you can just be happy for someone you like making money 🤷‍♂️

[@Sniperbear13]

some people are angry because its become so popular, others are angry because they thought CR was more like an indie company, and some are probably angry because they want to be mad at something. its all just so stupid.

[@MaouHoi]

Of all of the ones on that list that actually uses their money to create better content, critical role should NOT be held in a critical light :D

[@shiroikin]

I think the biggest issue is it puts pressure on amateur Dming and newer players that joi DnD because of critical role the expect the same kind of production value and end up comparing regular old DMs to Matt Mercer. it's literally called the Mercer effect

[@gtv4005]

@@shiroikin It's stupid that people still blame this on Mercer. It's like getting mad at your friends when your basketball game isn't as exciting as the ones you watch on TV.

[@CarolinaSilva-rd3ys]

The Critical Role numbers make me happy. They literally talk about the fact that they’ve made it into a company and that they have a whole production team. If anyone gets into critical role, they’ll notice how high quality all of the content is production-wise. Also, the amount of charity work they do is incredible so if anyone deserves it, it’s them.

[@michaelh13]

Why does it make you happy? It’s not your money, so you should feel neutral about it

[@defensivepotato1998]

@@michaelh13 because people can have para social reactions to things

[@gtv4005]

@@michaelh13 It's not about the money. It's about the people. Generally speaking, someone having money is a good thing. And when good things happen to people, that can make other people happy for them. Especially if it's someone they generally like or are a fan of.

[@xxkildarxx]

@@defensivepotato1998 Or its because a group is representing a game that he has been passionate about is being made more popular by this group and new people are seeking it out after watching CR. So he is glad that group is doing well. Especially since they are able to invest that money back into the show as well as other projects he can enjoy as a viewer. Its awesome though that your mind goes to one of the most negative possible viewpoints and you felt the need to spew it out here.

[@defensivepotato1998]

@@xxkildarxx uhh sorry was this meant for me. If it was I believe you misunderstand what I meant

[@KlericYT]

Counter to Zuckerberg's assertion; yeah everyone _says_ they have no interest in inflammatory content and want it gone, but what we as people say is an entirely different story to how we psychologically react to it. It giving more engagement and time on the platform does make sense. I know first hand, and second hand.

[@agent_w.]

true

[@mysryuza]

Exactly

[@TheDSasterX]

[I didn't intentionally design the apps to encourage social inflammation... I just designed a system that "happens" to encourage social inflammation. It's not my fault that people are easier to piss off than appease and I certainly couldn't factor that in a weighting of some sort because we can't be held responsible for what our AI decides and that's definitely not how AI works because, as we all know, AI is magic and I didn't design it to work the way it does.]

[@stevev1008]

If you comment, click, and search for sensitive content, that's all the algorithm will show you.

[@queenannsrevenge100]

There's a newspaper adage that's been around forever... "If it bleeds, it leads." Zuckerberg may claim differently, the fact is inflammatory content has ALWAYS been the go-to when you want more eyeballs, and his claims that it doesn't make sense... don't make sense.

[@silentwhisp4r670]

Critical Role also isn't one person. They have a cast of 8, and a whole team behind them. Power to them for their success!

[@molly-zx9cr]

Not just 8 they also employ like 30 other people.

[@nickhalden374]

@@molly-zx9cr "cast of 8, and a whole team behind them."

[@mallowmallow2070]

@@molly-zx9cr Right, they're a whole production. They're also professionals in the voice acting industry, it's not like this is their only income either.

[@molly-zx9cr]

@@nickhalden374 haha my bad misread it

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@ChooseJake]

"Companies don't want their ads shown on hateful or disturbing content" is such a huge lie. They want their ad where it gets the most views. Perfect example: The horrendous Las Vegas shooting. During the "news" coverage there were commercial breaks AT LEAST every 5 minutes. Coca Cola, Nike, McDonalds, Random perscibtion medication and everything else you can imagine was played. Not 1 company got upset their ads were played following a massacre

[@Hamisback]

it seems everyone hung up on the money, not paying attention that twitches entire code base, admin guidelines, ban reasonings, potentially passwords, etc also got leaked, today marks the day people learn how twitch really work

[@Itslikehime]

This. There is so much potential that could damage twitch and force it to change especially if people create fixes for issues that "can't be fixed" according to twitch.

[@fodderfella]

solid point

[@midosabbagh]

People by and large don't care about their privacy, and twitch bans are so biased people are burned out hearing about it. At least I am

[@familiarfound1034]

I imagine most people like myself are waiting for others to do all the work and translate it down to 'dumbfuck' levels so we can absorb it easier.

[@1995pieter]

@@familiarfound1034 exactly. im a dumbfuck waiting. this was just an easy low hanging fruit starter

[@humanoid251]

“Mark has never set out to make a hateful platform” she says about a platform that was literally intended to judge and comment on the appearance and hotness of college girls

[@krystanoelll]

And then went behind the backs of FB’s co-creators by making it available to the public and not just Harvard students.

[@AverageTrainEnthusiast]

People apparently: “We gotta stop treating critical role as an indie operation” Me, casually consuming their insane production value: “…wait they were indie?”

[@bwassttacks6848]

Considering indie means independent they literally are indie. They aren’t owned by a network or production company. Indie doesn’t mean not profitable it just means independent.

[@Crowley99718]

Critical Role deserves every cent they've received. So much money and production go into it.

[@nathanwall6253]

Not to mention what they put into charity.

[@thoughtsofadame1952]

Literally they are inspiring and up lifting and just a bunch of good hearted people. money earned period!

[@RicePho]

They also have like 6-7 players who need to at least get paid. Not just 1 person gets all the money.

[@CJordanNicholson]

Agreed.

[@tarik365]

@@RicePho they have 26 employees, and thats the payout for 3 years, 400k/per month, it really isn't a lot of money as people make it out to be

[@bloodshriker4430]

The irony of someone on 4chan calling twitch a "disgusting toxic cesspool" is hilarious.

[@westonbirch4681]

Flashbacks to when an anonymous group exposed all the underage exploitations of 4chan. 🤮

[@Shrekfromthehitmovieshrek]

@@westonbirch4681 wait what

[@westonbirch4681]

@@Shrekfromthehitmovieshrek not to be confused with the organization, Anonymous, a group of "cyber-vigilanties" exposed many large names that had been using 4chan as a site to spread and obtain child pornography. One of the most acclaimed arrests was heralded by Anonymous, though not many "cyber-vigilantes" admitted or claimed to be of the Anonymous organization, simply credited to an anonymous tip left with officers as well as documents exposing said official: Chris Forcand (if I remember correctly, he was some politician in Canada) as well as numerous others, exposing how easily 4chan (at the time) was "exploited". This was around 2007, if memory serves.

[@kameronjones7139]

Didn't they dox and harass a kid once?

[@jesusbarrera6916]

I think the difference is 4CHAN is not supposed to be moderated by a giant company picking favorites and pushing content not appropriate for kids 4CHAN is a disgusting cesspool but they don't pretend to be otherwise

[@crypticcorgi8280]

*Bi-dude here to say that the Playboy customers are in the right to be upset* _(Just not in the right to be homophobic.)_ The truth is, Playboy has always been marketed up for a certain sexual orientation. Same thing for Playgirl for Hetero-women. _Not saying Playboy shouldn't have gay porn or that the homophobic comments are ok._ I'm just saying it is reasonable for some one with a subscription to be upset for not getting the type of porn they signed up for. _(Perhaps they should make a "Gayboy editions?" )_ But really, we are going to "clap back" at their customers, because they are rightfully upset they didn't get the product they were sold on? So... How is this progress? Yea, they trolled some homophobes... at the expense of the rest of their customer base who just like women? Not like they invented gay porn. So what did they really even accomplish? *All this is for is PR and I am not going to act as if they did anything more than that.*

[@jayqwuan]

Playboy shouldn’t be featuring stuff like that at all, no one wants to see it

[@Bl4ckDr4co]

Critical Role production costs are probably pretty big tbh. They have a whole crew, they rent space, everyone needs to get paid for their time.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@thedarkkrystal1016]

At least 5% right?

[@chrisblake4198]

Exactly. They own/lease their office/studios, and when they announced their move there everyone was super excited and wanted all the details. Now people are complaining at how big they've gotten? Yeesh. They have dozens of people working for them, and afaik they kept nearly all of them employed through the pandemic, even when they were dark for months. They're not out there scamming their community, they seem like they roll a big portion of their $ back into the business, the things they make for us to enjoy.

[@chantolove]

plus if my information is correct everyone there is getting union rates instead of what other shows might do

[@rettwoods]

People forget that they’re PROFESSIONAL ACTORS. Like, Christ people. Whatever numbers they’re pulling divide it by the amount of people involved. Most of those other streamers don’t have to split their earnings. PLUS, it has never cost me anything. They’re pumping out free content. Chill.

[@pikalad]

I bet Garnt is going to fight Connor for living his dream.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@AxxLAfriku]

HOLY HOLY!!! I can proudly say that I have the two HOTTEST women on this planet as MY GIRLFRIENDS! I am the unprettiest KZbinr ever, but they love me for what's inside! Thanks for listening kim

[@kaiceecrane3884]

@Polite Gordon Ramsay same

[@jaredowens4825]

Who is garnt and connor?

[@Bramblestar9339]

Oh for sure

[@metastaphalies2]

For twitch creators, I say stay humble hustle hard. Someone said, “I wanna make money playing games” and made it fucking happen.

[@rufia75]

Honestly, why is everyone so scared to break up massive, monopolizing companies? The last time the US govt did this was in the 80s apparently with AT&T. In some situations it is DEFINITELY warranted. And this is one of them.

[@thanksmaybe4103]

Cause the people responsible for that are corrupt

[@halcyon_echo42]

Seriously, Amazon and Facebook have been shutting down or buying out competitors for a decade now and NEED to be disrupted asap

[@chrischika7026]

@@halcyon_echo42 why

[@sigmamalegrindset8452]

What does Facebook have a monopoly on? A monopoly isn’t people choosing your product because it’s the best available product

[@skinnybuddha8988]

@@halcyon_echo42 I'll agree with that. There needs to be a STOP moment. Should have happened a while ago. I don't think the government should be overly involved with Facebook but at the same time they're much more than a social media stop these days. They're so big worldwide that they could influence world politics extremely easily. They now have more power, and money, than many governments

[@jumpingmouse]

I think the "twitch leak is for the people" is a smokescreen for the illegal activity. and the earnings are from August 2019 to October 2021 that's 26 months. It's not a day/month it's 2+ years. Doesn't seem so bad after that. I'm glad the streamers I like are financially stable. I enjoy their content and I'm glad they can continue to stream and be financially supported.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Before taxes as well...AND they have to pay out of pocket for health insurance....AND there's no 401k, no retirement fund, nothing, they need to save everything they get now. No guarantees, period. They have no salary, no income they can show to companies to get leases either, like for renting, loans, mortgages, etc. And especially healthcare!! Until America finally gets free healthcare, regardless of income, it's through your employer. Streamers, KZbinrs, etc. don't have an employer to give them health insurance. They have to pay out of pocket. /end rant

[@pablopablo3834]

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 You think the rich ones are paying taxes?? Cute. Also this is only money from Twitch most of these people are in Orgs and have Sponsors and do Ads/Sponsored Streams. These can be worth over $200k easily multiple people have said they were offered that much and more for sponsors like Raid Shadow Legends and Gambling Sites. Also 95% of Viewers and Small Streamers on Twitch will never make nowhere near as much as that in their lifetime. I love how Americans always protect the Rich its fucking Hilarious. Oh no They have to spend $50k on an Operation Meanwhile a Person on Minimum wage has to spend the exact same. Who is more effected you clown??

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

@@pablopablo3834 I don't think you understand how taxes work in America, dude, and you don't understand how "the rich" are getting out of paying taxes. The ones who aren't paying taxes in this equation are the owners and shareholders of Twitch and KZbin. My point was that the total dollar amount for these streamers is not everything they end up getting. If you want to get away with not paying taxes, don't become a self employed streamer getting donations, thinking you won't have to pay taxes. I know what I'm talking about and I actually know who is and isn't paying taxes. "The rich" don't include *workers* for Twitch and KZbin. Just because someone has gathered cash, doesn't make them part of "the rich," either. A million dollars ain't even shit in today's economy. You can't even live in poverty in America for 50 years without spending over a million dollars. And prices go up every day! - Kill me. To live on just 2k a month for the next 50 years of my life, and that's affording no extra medical bills cost or anything, is 12 × 50 × 2,000 = $1,200,000. (And I could live up to another 100 years thanks to the magic of modern medicine. 😩 That's $2,400,000!)

[@jumpingmouse]

@@pablopablo3834 Rich and *filthy* rich are 2 different things though. At least these people are working for their money, they wake up and stream, engage with an audience or develop a skill at a particular video game. Some of these people stream 3000+ hours a year, more than most people work. Versus the BILLIONaires that own property and never actually work. $1,000,000 over 26 months is around $220/hour if you assume 173 hours in a work month. That's around the average attorney and less than many doctors. They're rich, yes, but they're not the ones who have broken society by leeching off the backbones of a working class. Remember, proletariat means working class and bourgeois means property owning. I don't mind that some have made a decent living at being entertainers. It's a job too.

[@thecrow4461]

I'm a fan of Critical role and i'm worried that the critters are going to see the amount made and do what they did for the kickstarter. "hmmmmm that number isn't big enough... here's 11 million dollars"

[@lwstrongarm3]

God your not wrong there lol as a critter if I coulda donated more to the Kickstarter I would have lol.... new kickstarter idea CR isn't making enough let's give them more xD

[@isnitjustkit]

Hating something for being toxic on 4Chan is like trying to organise an anti-semitism campaign on the Daily Stormer

[@leafia133]

The critical role thing is so weird consider it stopped being “friends hanging out” the minute the first campaign ended. It has always been a business

[@adamwhite6797]

they have said that it have been a business. while yes they are friends they also run a business where Travis Willingham is the CEO and Matthew Mercer is one of the creative writers behind their D&D books

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@arandomnamegoeshere]

It still feels like friends hanging out. They're just talented friends with professional skills for improv entertainment. They like to entertain each other - and we get to watch. Take my money. I'm proud to see those guys top of the list. Doing the most geeky of geeky pursuits. Hell yeah.

[@PeacefulPagoda]

I only came into it at the start of Camp II, so it's not that different to me. Did you start at CI?

[@Xugoh]

They became a company when they moved away from geek & sundry and honestly good on them.

[@hysusonic]

Surprised the zodiac killer being identified wasn’t a story today

[@peppermintbee]

The FBI are saying the case is still open. Its probably not a story because this happens every few years or so where someone is really convinced that they know who did it.

[@BrokenShale]

How is Critical Role under fire? Do you see how huge that production is? People are dumb.

[@Failed_Vestige_of_Exandria]

For real. Not to mention that they have never referred to themselves as an indie group and have always referred to themselves as a company once they started doing things on their own. They even started on Geek & Sundry which did major production as well, so I have no idea what those people are going on about.

[@princessaria]

Right? They’ve got like 30 people on staff and have a lot more in the way of operating costs, it’s not like they’re just one person. And even if they were, who cares?? They aren’t hurting anyone to make that money.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@molly-zx9cr]

@@princessaria not to mention salaries for all 30, healthcare, etc.

[@bigsiskrishere]

It's the same dude bros who shit on Marisha any chance they get and hate that there are any gay charaters in the game. We don't want em.

[@beyoncenoona]

"why root for people to be successful and then get angry that they're successful" HOLY SHIT YES - there's this really weird possessiveness people have over things that really aren't theirs at all. I sometimes forget i'm not the only fan of my favorite band, i know that sounds weird and kind of stupid lol but when i go to shows i'm like "oh yeah...other people love this band as much as i do." it's like we feel some sort of ownership over the things we're fans of that when other people start getting into them it can almost feel like an invasion of privacy??? i think that's the best way I can put it. i'm always going to be rooting for my faves to be happy in their success and if they want to aim for the moon then by god i will be in their corner working on that lasso to give it to them. but i'd be lying if i said there wasn't a TINY part of me that gets a little territorial over my faves because like "no that's mine" even though no it's not lol they become such a big part of who you are that what they do and the art they put out feels personal because you've attached a personal connection to them. some people just don't have that 'check yourself' moment where they realize that the thing or the people they're fans of aren't theirs and their success is a GOOD thing and it means that more people like what they like...unless you're just an asshole who has to be different than everyone else and has to one up the next guy on the niche shit they're into - get over yourself and listen to Beyonce already, she's an amazing performer and just because she's one of the biggest artists in the world doesn't negate all her hard work and years of dedication to her craft. (I'M JOKING, not about Beyonce being incredible but about having to listen to her lmao like what you like y'all...it's not a competition)

[@thejadedragon5535]

I'd rather have creators make the money over the company.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@tomlinvision]

But I mean since twitch has a 50/50 split model for most its creators the company is making just as much money as them. If Ludwig makes 3 million in a year Twitch is also making 3 million from his channel

[@BigDeac]

@@tomlinvision Ludwig specifically likely has a better split say 70/30, but this is still true. The twitch cut is egregious

[@tomlinvision]

@@BigDeac nah I used him as an example because he's said he doesn't have an exclusive deal (despite having one of the biggest livestream events of the last year). Twitch stopped offering exclusive contracts to streamers a while ago because they feel they've "won the platform wars" lmao. Some still do, but its a lot rarer than I think people assume

[@Crossark1]

I said it once and I'll say it again: It's reductive and disingenuous to imply that the backlash Hasan gets is purely because he *takes in* a lot of money. How he spends it is worthy of criticism. He talks a lot of big game about taxing the rich and implementing socialist reforms, but doesn't always seem willing to put *his* money towards those goals. He's in a prime position to show how effective his ideology can be even when it's just one relatively wealthy person helping out in an organized and well thought-out way. Taking care of yourself first is possible without kicking the help-others can down the road, and it's entirely valid to be critical of how much he's helping when he talks a big talk and walks a relatively small walk despite having ginormous shoes, so to speak. Dude could absolutely be doing more if he really thought his ideology would save lives; that's all.

[@SeanLamb-I-Am]

"... if bad actors use the source code for attacks..." No. There is no "if" here. This is definitely "when".

[@wezul]

Someone whose "enjoyment" of a content creator is ruined by knowing they make more money than expected didn't really enjoy the content to being with. They were enjoying the lies they were telling in their own head about that content creator, not the actual content. If you enjoy the content, the only care you should have about how much that content creator makes is "do they make enough money to keep making content I enjoy?"

[@marcellXcatalyst]

Reminds me a few years back when every creator that had sponsor was called a sellout. It's also more stupid the more you think about it. Did they think that in all those office tours (usually in cities like LA) rent was $200 a month or something?

[@wezul]

@@marcellXcatalyst Even if people work out of their home instead of having to pay for an office, we all gotta make a living. And if someone can make a living doing this, more power to them! I would guess it all boils down to jealousy in the end.

[@harasnicole]

"This is interesting, but everything is stupid." My mood regarding anything these days.

[@trisroger]

Up vote for Phil's new sign off

[@Stickmanzed]

I see Critical Role making all of that money and I'm just proud for those nerdy ass voice actors for being successful despite staying good people.

[@helloworld2784]

Facts.

[@shadowblaze145789]

So I'm a massive Critical Roll fan and am personally elated to see how far they've come.

[@livingminimumwage6359]

It's great entertainment. I've been following from way back, like even when Orion was on the show. I'm very happy for all of them. It was quite a commitment back at the start. They deserve their money.

[@Diamond_Eyes86]

@@livingminimumwage6359 boy Orion… man haven’t thought about that guy in years… probably blacked it out. Lol.

[@islandofideals6571]

My first live episode was in the beginning of the Briarwood arc. It's been absolutely wild watching them grow through the years.

[@livingminimumwage6359]

@@Diamond_Eyes86 The tension between him and the rest of the crew towards the end of his time on the show was absolutely crazy. You could tell it wasn't going to go anywhere with him.

[@pain7958]

The Twitch leak is ONLY money made directly through Twitch, prior to taxes. Any intelligent influencer will also be making money through other means while they stream. Sponsorships can pay out unspeakable amounts of money compared to subscriptions.

[@Mariet31]

Yeah, not sure if that makes it worse if we consider how much they get from donations in these times.

[@momobobo5430]

@@Mariet31 donations aren’t actually that much surprisingly. Most of their money comes in from ad revenue, subs and sponsorships.

[@zwerko]

Don't forget the 'merch', it's one of the most profitable venues streamers and influencers alike have. It's not uncommon to have insane margins on those; if you can get 50k of your subs to buy a $30 shirt for which you paid $5 in total (producing, marketing, etc.), you've got yourself over a million just from that one small venue, which is significantly more than you'd get from their subscriptions over the average subscription lifetime. And people who have subs in the multi-million range routinely move that amount of merch during their 'drops', multiple times a year...

[@link1016]

The Taylor swift attack is kind of funny but the response of “baseless attacks” is even funny coming from the gop

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

Funny? Not really. The most pervasive baseless attacks has come from the left and the democrats. Remember the Russian collusion delusion theory? Fully debunked. All the attempts based on lies or distortions to get rid of Trump? The belief that there's a million genders and that babies are parasites? The funny part here is that the left thinks that they're on the right side, on the side of truth. Absolutely not true.

[@krystanoelll]

@@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1 Get a job

[@VincenzoInfi]

@@krystanoelll he's right though 😂

[@phanomtaxskibididoodoo]

@@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1 Why wont anyone read the report? Why won't anyone just search for the court cases? Stop with culture war nonsense its pretty stupid.

[@Patterrz]

The top KZbinrs looking at the top Twitch streamers like "lol that's all you get?"

[@codgod5238]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@YouTubeisGayJew]

I'd sell my soul to get 1 mil subs on twitch or KZbin. I'd love to get paid to talk about the things I love for a living / playing games and reviewing memes. Shit I'd take 100k subs tbh

[@ChoBunny]

Dude me too

[@Angels510]

@@KZbinisGayJew Don’t fetishise it in your head. Turning something you love into a job doesn’t work out 90% of the time. Just ask anyone who has attempted to start a restaurant or the multiple KZbinrs who now can’t stand the thing they “loved”. You’re obviously referencing Pewdiepie but if he wasn’t one of the largest creators on the platform he couldn’t do what he did. Lots of audiences have abandoned creators for moving on to different content after their passion left them.

[@YouTubeisGayJew]

@@Angels510 I actually never watched pewdiepie a day in my life. I've been memeing since the days of the chocolate (flip phone) And no you don't get it, like 90% of what I talk about irl is either comics/anime/video game stuff or law / science / philosophy, like I'd do the stuff anyway and probably do it for free if I had the space to record. It's like how I'm going to school for game dev, I only do it because I love games and want to make my own as my creative outlet (VR is the future), and to that end I wouldn't mind working in gaming 40+yrs. Tbh doing something you hate seems kinda dumb because you're going to be a wage slave for something you don't even like? Vs doing it for yourself and doing something you do like.

[@tylerloconte8974]

I can't say how proud I am that Critical Role is at the top of the list. There's few entertainers alive that deserve it more than those people.

[@gecho8848]

the idea that this hack is a criticism of twitch itself is ridiculous, even if that is the intent. If your goal is to punish a corporation you don't go after their employees, even if some of those employees are literal millionaires.

[@dealloc]

Not only that but if their goal was for Twitch to better moderate against hate raids and discrimination, this will definitely be a set back since leaking their AutoMod system can make it harder for hate raids to be detected and moderated, thus making the life's of countless of (often voluntary) moderators worse.

[@enrymion9681]

I thought it wasn't so much meant to criticize twitch as to help anyone who wants to compete with twitch get started faster. Also how is it going after their employees? Surely you aren't talking about the leak including how much they pay creators? It's not like that's a huge secret(subscriber counts are public) and isn't really damaging to anyone.

[@dealloc]

@@enrymion9681 That would be illegal.

[@enrymion9681]

@@dealloc Not necessarily, there's no need to literally copy the code to find seeing it useful for making your own version of it.

[@dealloc]

@@enrymion9681 Yes, because that source code is proprietary, so if you had seen parts of the source code, it would make it a legal gray area and not something worth trying if you expect to build a business around it. If you want to implement features like Twitch, you can do so without needing to see their source code in the first place.

[@w.watson9521]

This whole situation with people getting mad at Twitch creators feels more like people looking for an excuse to be mad rather than a legetimate reason to be made.

[@tortillajackson881]

There will always be people that hate seeing others succeed. They cant do it themselves but love to shit on those that are making it work.

[@ronswanson1410]

There are no reasons to be upset, but people can certainly call out the hypocrisy of others when it comes to how they make their money. Hasan is someone who is rather anti-capitalist, pro forced wealth redistribution, etc... So In reality he is tip toeing away from values he established his identity on.

[@thekamotodragon]

nah, there's pretty good reason to be upset with SOME of these streamers, like any of the ones like Hasan who have built their entire platform on preaching socialist politics and then are making millions via capitalism because it's majorly hypocritical... hmm it's almost like most of these political commentators, especially the ones trying to appeal to a younger audience, are grifters lol... big think.

[@Tustin2121]

Sunshine - Excuse me while I insert the text of your comment into the “yet you participate in society” meme. Because that’s the level we’re working at here, apparently.

[@thekamotodragon]

@@Tustin2121 but nobody has to participate lol, that's what makes this country great, you always have the option to choose how you live your life, i participate because I like the way it is currently so I'm not a hypocrite, but then why does he? if he was really about all the values he preached, he'd "redistribute" his wealth to minority communities and keep just enough to live within his means, in fact, give most of it away and live in a communist commune. Why not? They exist, the options are right there in front of him, ohh wait, it's because he too secretly likes it the way it is because he gets to live a lavish lifestyle, he just knows that saying "America bad" gives him money. If you're really openly anti-USA in your politics and you hate this place, why not move out? Why not move somewhere that's matches your politics? See what I mean, you can't make that argument here lol.

[@darcyrenae]

Critical Role has ALWAYS been transparent that they are a business. That's why they left Geek and Sundry: to start their own company. It's a production company with different shows and numerous employees.

[@o0Avalon0o]

I just found out CdawgVA watches the show, I hope he sees his tweet was mentioned, he'd love that!

[@senorspicyboi]

The reason sponsors are acceptable now is because we've accaepted that not only do you do this for a living but KZbin themselves don't actually want to pay you and you've gotta make that dough somehow now.

[@BoomerKeith1]

Playboy is getting EXACTLY what they wanted. Press. A magazine that catered to straight men for decades puts a gay man on the cover and **surprise** their audience is outraged. lol Personally, I think Playboy is mostly worthless as a form of information, but they definitely orchestrated this whole thing.

[@krystanoelll]

I don’t get Playboy’s relevancy anymore. I feel like we’ve progressed past the need for it. With the internet and whatnot.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Why is a man on playboy anyway? It’s a magazine for people attracted to women, more often cis men. Lol what was the intention?

[@BoomerKeith1]

@@krystanoelll Agree 100%!

[@BoomerKeith1]

@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle Right. I think they knew that this would cause some backlash and that's what they wanted. I don't know what their financial situation is, but I don't think it's very good and they're trying anything they can to get people interested. This was not the way to do it.

[@meggo329]

I wonder what Hugh Hefner would have said.

[@nothankyou6840]

Phil not being afraid to call Bretman sexy, I stan. 1) he's sexy as shit 2) bro you can compliment someone without being attracted to them. It's a thing. 🤯🙄

[@iliveinyourwalls5193]

Except he shouldn't be on the cover of that magazine. If they absolutely wanted him on they should just have created a magazine for gay men. Of course they're going to get hate for that it's only logical, it's a magazine for straight men.

[@nothankyou6840]

@@iliveinyourwalls5193 good for you, unfortunately I didn't say anything about the magazine, wasn't even in my mind really. I just think Bretman is a sexy man and another male admitting that doesn't make them gay 🤷‍♂️

[@King_Jab]

It's super weird to see people support streamers then turn on them when the streamer starts making actual money. It's like they try to cancel them when they haven't even done anything cancel worthy.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@S1L3NTIGamer]

I’ve been a critical role fan for years. A small yet EXTREMELY vocal group of “fans” delude themselves that they are simply a group of 7 friends on twitch and are SUPER mean whenever the group does things that are completely normal for any influencer.

[@axelotls_]

as much as I hate the carlisle group shit, thats the LEAST objectionable thing about Youngkin. dude's a ghoul. seriously, please do some heavier coverage on the VA election, it goes pretty deep, we're so fucked lmao

[@Hollibot4000]

Youngkin is proof that Republicans will vote for anything with an R next to the name. Dude is a fucking clown and corporate shill who pretends he came from humble beginnings. About a month ago I went to his website to see where he stands on the issues. HE HAD NO PLATFORM OR PLANS ON HIS WEBSITE. Idk if he has changed it since, but that was all I needed to see tbh.

[@DSQueenie]

Plus you can’t be mad at the people who bought her masters, it was a sound business move. It’s the people who sold her masters who are the dicks.

[@rachelb2464]

It's true our entire system for elections is messed up in VA. Maculiff was looked into by the FBI in the past for his campaign finance and funding. What is illegal other places is legal here. I was really hoping he would loose the primary, he has a terrible history with Dominion energy and pipelines. Most of rural VA get water from wells and other ground sources, if we build pipelines in the mountains and they leak people are f*cked. That said there is no way I would vote for Youngkin. He would do all of the worst things I'm afraid Maculiff will do and more.

[@molly-zx9cr]

Critical Role employs like 30 people. Their money goes towards paying those salaries.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM ..

[@advkow]

It's that many? I would have guessed a dozen. What do the others do?

[@mollyfoxxx]

Hi Molly

[@PeacefulPagoda]

I'd bet more with all the behind-the-scenes stuff and third party artists.

[@lizablee]

@@advkow well there's the 8 of them, then there's Dani Carr, camera operators, sound people, producers for the stream, people who run the store, and then contractors who design their artwork, their sets, their minis, their merch - they also collaborate with people for their comics and books / world books. Not to mention the upcoming animated series which has its own entire team of animators etc.

[@frizzledphoenix6670]

"Why do we route for people to be successful, and then get angry that they are successful?" Quote of the year!!!!

[@landlocked_lifts332]

root*

[@Red-zh7vq]

In spite of everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you - The Green Goblin

[@Sebbir]

@@landlocked_lifts332 groot*

[@DavidGowers]

@@Sebbir doot*

[@DudeWheresMyJo-Car]

Im glad my man Kitboga made the list. That guy is a fucking hero.

[@chancejones5958]

Holy shit Connor appeared on the philly DEE show. Good for him

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@The_Evening_Sun]

Timestamp?

[@jtetsuya]

@@The_Evening_Sun @00:30

[@Phillipwnn]

Interesting play for Playboy. A publication that was primarily for heterosexual men now introducing content directly conflicting to their target demographic. We’ll see how that plays out I guess.

[@alienboy1322]

I was not excepting that.

[@OnionKnightRises]

I think Phil is right in that this was calculated, and isn't exactly new or a bad thing. Of all printed media, Playboy has to be suffering the most since people can just get whatever they're offering on basically an infinite amount of websites.

[@danielgreen1124]

I can't imagine a bunch of straight guys would rather see an attractive woman than a man. How shocking.

[@davonthegreat4129]

I feel like part of the reason Critical Role's payout is so high, is because they have to pay far more employees than anyone else on this list. It only makes sense imo

[@link2498]

Facebook: "I don't know any tech company that sets out to build products that make people angry or depressed." Facebook in 2012: So we intentionally fixed the algorithm for 200k people to only give them depressed content to see what would happen, but we didn't tell them. Like, ever.

[@TriXJester]

Critical Role gets paid because Critical Role is not a singular person playing video games. Lets break it down a little; 1. Has a full set that must be paid for to maintain and a set builder who must also be paid 2. A studio location that needs to have it's rent paid for. 3. Camera operators that need to be paid. 4. Sound operators that need to be paid. 5. Editors that need to be paid. 6. Artists that need to be paid for their contributions to campaigns, merch, etc. 7. Behind the scenes staff members THAT NEED TO BE PAID. 8. It actually takes money to maintain a charity, shocking I know. I could continue except I think I've made my point. There are more people who work to make Critical Role possible, it's not just the main cast and their friends they invite on to the show shot in someone's house. Thats whats so inane by those "Its not indie/Its a business now" arguments. Yes, no shit it's a business, its has employees that need to also make a living you absolute numpties. People who make that argument like the money goes right into Matt Mercer's pocket or something when in reality the show is still technically not their full time jobs.

[@bitticlan]

"We even saw Zuckerberg taking a break from smoking his meats." LMAO I'm so glad you know about that.

[@Junksaint]

😂

[@Capsaxian]

Didn't even realize Playboy was still in business. But to be honest, there's nothing that Playboy can do to make me interested in it.

[@seroquelz]

Yeah, Playboy was trash with Hef it's still trash now. This is so obv a grab for attn to stay relevant. They knew exactly what they were doing. And that's nothing against Bratman. I don't like BR, but get that bag hun! Pics were pretty too, so a win for him ig if he can handle the added harassment.

[@Red-zh7vq]

I mean, it’s a magazine for men. Why the hell did they think this was a good idea?

[@insaninater5154]

Yea, It's a magazine that's had straight men as the target demo for decades. Way i see it, it's a transparent move for attention in an time when internet porn has rendered them obsolete for about 30 years now. Pretty pathetic.

[@cortney3798]

@@Red-zh7vq I think a magazine for straight or bi men is more accurate since gay men do exist. Maybe they want to start entertaining all men

[@sola_a]

@@Red-zh7vq because gay men....exist

[@bapo224]

Really don't understand how people are saying Hasan was 'exposed'. He always displays the amount of subs he has on screen and has never pretended he isn't rich.

[@paigeanderson8055]

People are weird. The only reason I’d get upset is if a streamer claimed to be broke and then this came out saying they make millions lol

[@bapo224]

@Kyle Kyle Not true at all, on his own streams he is extremely transparent about the fact that he's rich and has talked about the expensive house he bought for example. And while indeed he did use those words in the interview with Jesse the tone he used should have told you enough as long as you aren't autistic.

[@bapo224]

@Kyle Kyle He was mad about getting doxxed, literally any streamer would get mad about their address being leaked... The price of his house is not what he was mad about. And yes, of course he doesn't just throw away his money, that's not how it works. It's like a single drop of water on a hot plate, it does nothing. He's advocating for increased taxes for the rich and would happily pay those extra taxes because that would actually achieve something. Also note that the relative difference in wealth between someone like him and someone like Elon or Bezos is like 5000-20000 times larger than the difference in wealth between him and the average American.

[@SuboptimalPrime]

@Kyle Kyle Hasan is living the most consumerist, rich capitalist lifestyle while preaching socialism. Also funny how people donate to literal multi-millionaires while complaining that the rich get richer...

[@bapo224]

@Kyle Kyle Second time you are misconstruing what I said....

[@jenevans9004]

I support critical role on twitch and honestly I don’t care that they earned that much. Good for them. They have done so much for the dnd community and give a lot to numerous charities. Get that $$$ crit role

[@Nathan_Talisien]

Damn right... They put in a TON of work, around very busy "regular" jobs in the fields of acting, voice acting, directing, writing, and more. They earn what they get.

[@TheRedAzuki]

9mil over 2 years time for a production crew of 30+8 isn't that high tbh. Relatively speaking. I work in Fintech and review like webshops that make that yearly and they're a single owner or maybe even just a crew of 5.

[@explosionbunny]

Same 🙌🏻

[@FugiApples]

Critical Role evolved into a company after leaving Geek and Sundry. They even said they are running a media company. Calling Critical Role an indy group is saying that LTT is also an indy group

[@codgod5238]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM

[@TheRedAzuki]

Critical role is an indie group. Indie means independent, not poor.

[@CryingBlackFairy]

@@TheRedAzuki thank you, I've been thinkikg that reading the comments

[@FugiApples]

@@TheRedAzuki True, but most people usually contribute "indie" as small time creators being supported just by their fans. Much like smaller channels on KZbin, or in this case, Twitch.

[@Dredan143]

Critical Role's fandom get mad at them for any reason they can. It can be super bad sometimes. A lot of members are very passionate and very sensitive so they get mad for everything from Critical Role doing a one-shot they didn't like to them making money. I actually think Critical Role tends to cater to these people a bit too much which makes the fandom think they can get away with that shit.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Me: "Ooh! a new PDS!" Also me: "don't read the title, it doesn't mean anything. It's just an assortment of buzzwords meant to keep the youtube algorithm happy and keep putting phil's face in front of non-subscribers"

[@clintonbarton4152]

I'm a few episodes away from finishing Campaign 1 of Critical Role, seeing how they have grown so much is crazy from giving stuff out for every 100 subscribers or whatever earlier in the videos, to having millions of views and subscribers. I think they deserve everything coming to them.

[@tatsusama3192]

You're in for some amazing story telling. I'm jealous of you being able to explain it for the first time😂🍿❤️

[@AndYouGotALetter]

I’m a Virginian. Lived here all my life. Taylor supporting Democrats is good. Last time not enough public figures got involved and we got stuck with Former President Trump. Even DeFranco tried to sideline it and play it safe.

[@godver555]

Im just happy critical role is doing well. They put a lot of effort into their work and have a large team, that cant be said for everyone on that list.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM …

[@michielmanders9766]

Lol Connor is apparently not big enough to have his name read out.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@thomasandrewclifford]

Connor who? XD

[@OnionKnightRises]

Shout out to Connor from the VA

[@HelaFortuna]

The most shocking thing about the twitch leak is how LOW the numbers are, considering they don't factor in the big money makers like sponsors. I'm sure that most of those numbers are at least 2x larger than listed - some probably more like 5x larger.

[@derubor]

One of the biggest changes Facebook should implement, or rather re-implement, is letting people sort their newsfeed by newest posts. Sometimes I open the app and all I see are 2 or 3 days old posts...

[@AAAFilm-yt7gx]

facebook is literally the worst thing to ever happen to society as a whole. You'll never know how good your life could be until you give it up.

[@seroquelz]

This. I never looked back.

[@mysryuza]

I propose Twitter is worse

[@pablopablo3834]

Twitter is much Worse. I never see random Garbage from Randoms on Facebook unlike Twitter where everyone has an opinion on everything and its always derived from shit logic

[@AAAFilm-yt7gx]

@@mysryuza Thank God I realized that and never signed up lol

[@cjgibbsey]

Hasan "Profit is theft" Piker gets criticism because he deserves it. Critical Role seems like they have definitely earned their money.

[@Tryspark]

So as you pointed out that critical does run with a full production team and studio so it’s likely that money balances out.. all in all the money leak means nothing to me. It shouldn’t be a surprise these people (or in crit role’s case company) make lots of money. So excited for critical role season 3

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@Kyle-qi8oj]

People acting like this is big news that Hasan makes a lot of money when he literally keeps his sub count in view on every single one of his streams lol

[@localmenace3043]

People just want things to be pissy about, lol.

[@brettjones3074]

Seriously, even if he only got $2.50 from each sub, he's still making on average over 100k a month (assuming he stays around 40k subs). All the more power to him honestly.

[@jeremysmith1962]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q52ViKyLd7pqjrM .

[@princessaria]

Right? He’s one of the more transparent creators when it comes to that stuff.

[@Matt-tc6ys]

I think it's because he poses a lot. Wearing tax the rich gear but then rips of editors etc.

[@elbruces]

Honestly given how much CR has expanded, that figure looks about right. I dont know why anyone is surprised by it.

[@BoxOKittens]

do you ever think the myspace guy is happy his site went 'irrelevant' and was overshadowed by facebook. It's kinda making me think of that die a hero or live long enough to be a villain meme lol

[@jessn.3851]

He got paid millions of dollars to hand MySpace off to someone else long before it became irrelevant. I think he's pretty happy, yeah.

[@krystanoelll]

He got out while he still could. I miss the days of being on social media without the constant threat of a political upheaval.

[@tweakfreq1982]

@@krystanoelll I miss the days when in order to use social media you had to pass your tech roll. *modem sounds*

[@BoxOKittens]

Holy shit the s*x channels are a blight on all my comments lately wtf

[@IndigoSpades]

Facebook outage gained more media coverage than the whistleblower interview. Coincidence or down by design? Even Phil covered it first.

[@glamboss16]

As a long time viewer, I just wanted to share this piece of feedback. I'm from a so called "third world country" and that phrase comes from colonial classification of countries and is harmful and no longer used in the development sector. It would be better to use "developing countries" or "re-developing countries" which acknowledges that the disparities in progress are partly due to colonial disruption. Sending love to the whole team 😊

[@CardinalTreehouse]

Phil: Those RC cola-loving hacks Also Phil: Olipop is the blood of Christ!

[@Heldemon]

That must be why it's so absurdly expensive