Wow... I Feel SO BAD For Simon

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Oh Simon, Simon, Simon... Despite still possessing the cheeks he had when he was Ice King, he just can't be happy like Ice King could. Like at least when Ice King was sad he could forget about it by doing something that made him happy, Simon got nothing, and no-one. So sad man. Sub 2 the second channel btw: kzbin.info/door/EG_QK5tOBsqyhBdIgv63Ug

[@multiverse_media2023]

That crown messed him up REAL bad. Like, REALLY REALLY bad.

[@sabreejohnson1551]

@@multiverse_media2023Fr. I get that he wants to help Fionna and Cake, but this is not worth it. After everything he’s gone through in the past. We can’t risk seeing him take that crown again and become Ice King. For the love of God, Simon, think twice about this! HAVE MERCY!😥😣🙏

[@piglet_teadragon]

​@@multiverse_media2023yup

[@jaygooese4242]

I feel sorry for him

[@Oddball159]

*moans about composite steel*

[@DanGamingFan2406]

If I had spent 1000 years as a mad princess kidnapping ice wizard, AND lost my fiancée because of it, yeah, I'd have serious issues too.

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

Don't forget living through the literal apocalypse.

[@abubakrakram6208]

The word "lost" is so appropriate, but it somehow feels far too weak to describe what happened. She didn't die, she was merged with something terrifying and lost her human consciousness.

[@bombas_unitas]

I want to live in apocalypse

[@jadethenidoran]

Lost her twice

[@MammalianCreature]

@@bombas_unitas All internet connection, lost. All games, lost. Electricity? Eventually lost. RWBY show? Lost. Access to easy food? Lost. Access to plumbing? Lost. Lawless murder wasteland? Yes. Looters? Yes.

[@philly_sports1558]

The sad thing about Simon is that he wishes that he could be Ice King again because even though Ice King was crazy, he didn't remember all the things he lost. Simon has knowledge of every little heartbreak he's felt in his life and even though he has friends and his adoptive daughter to help him, he still is in so much pain. I just hope he knows what he's doing in terms of helping Fionna and Cake out for his and their sake.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

Crazy how Simon's remembers his life as ice king but ice king doesn't remember his life as Simon

[@Mrcharles.]

The man has gone through a lot. The feelings Simon is dealing with is very similar to a soldier who suffered from PTSD and doesn’t know what to do with his life.

[@philly_sports1558]

@@jeremybottoms7619 Probably has something to do with the crown

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

But that would just be running away from reality at that point. The crown would just be a drug to SImon and with the same results, it wouldn't make him happy just numb to the pain feeling.

[@KingDusk278]

666th like

[@ryansantos9844]

I hate how some characters basically tell Simon that he was better when he was Ice King, even he is believing that even tho he clearly was suffering from being ice king. Like imagine people saying to you that you were cooler when you were mentally ill and struggling.

[@_-ss-_281]

YES! I fell so bad

[@anonymouslucario285]

Hate it as in you think it's poor writing?

[@Niesmiesznyy]

Like "you're funny when you drink"

[@anonymouslucario285]

@@Niesmiesznyy I wouldn't go that far

[@R.B_]

​@@anonymouslucario285idk the crown really messed with his head, I'd say that's a fair comparison

[@dylanmcartoonell1536]

Tom Kenny has apparently gone on record of saying this is “the most emotional thing he’s ever recorded”.

[@RackednStackeddd]

*oh no*

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

I'm not ready for the second half of the show man...

[@Cherrytangela]

Given that Mans range and History, That is an Amazing feat to claim.

[@juliusnepos6013]

@@Cherrytangela absolutely

[@sentineluno]

We're gonna cry aren't we

[@nolanschotanus2769]

Letting the characters swear and drink booze was honestly the best evolution for this series to take.

[@lucas_leoheart]

not to mention the 2nd episode where the blood splurt on the dragonfish when finn cut it off kinda forgivable that "fuck" is called "dunk"

[@zcgamerandreacts2762]

​@@lucas_leoheartI think cake just said funk.

[@goldenninja9053]

​@@zcgamerandreacts2762Cake in the first episode said "puck" as a stand in for the f word, and also as a ice hockey pun.

[@cwa728]

@@goldenninja9053 If you have the subtitles in English, Cake says “Puck”. So you are correct.

[@zxzc.420]

It’s kinda sad seeing what ice king turned into he’s just a sad punching bag now lol

[@rl9217]

I love how the reaction to Simon in this episode from everyone can be condensed to “I feel so bad for him, he’s gone through so much.” + “Damn what you doing out here with all this ass? Double cheeked up on a Thursday afternoon, hella ass, the sun is still out!”

[@TB-fi9ie]

yes of course

[@DearestSacrifice]

Man's got depression and is carrying all that ass bro💀

[@asleepyb0i400]

Well I mean *god damn* he’s got a phat ass 🫣

[@Plazmasoldier]

Respectfully, of course.

[@Mrcharles.]

Well at least I have some empathy for him. Because he has gone through a lot even when he wasn’t the ice king.

[@tykinnamon9831]

I love how Simon throws shade at Prismo for not being powerful enough to bring Betty back. Dude basically ratio'd a God.

[@yuarentlucky]

All Simon wanted was his wife back, I do NOT believe that Prismo couldn't bring her back. He definitely could.

[@lancearnedo7837]

​@@yuarentluckybro prismo is definitely not powerful enough to mess with golb

[@Mikey04251]

@@lancearnedo7837couldn’t he just, make another betty? He can create entire universes but not a new betty?

[@tykinnamon9831]

@deimos9558 but that's the thing. I don't think Simon WANTS another Betty. He wants that Betty back. The Betty who's been through it all with Simon. The one whom he pulled through time so he could say goodbye to her, the one who went crazy so she could find a cure for his ice madness, and the one who ultimately sacrificed herself to save not just Simon, but the entirety of Ooo. He wants HIS Betty.

[@Mikey04251]

@@tykinnamon9831 thats fair tbh

[@cooldude2027]

That fact that everyone keeps downplaying his trauma *through his perspective he spend a thousand years as an insane immortal ice wizard who kidnapped princesses, and now that he’s sanity is back, he doesn’t know what to do, since he lost the woman he loves and he’s in a unfamiliar world* Everyone else: He used to be this cool ice wizard, now he’s this sad, boring dude

[@zestytriss5282]

Simon: He wasn't fun, his insane. Fionna: he looks pretty happy to me. Simon isn't happy that he is slowly going insane until he is gone.

[@Josuh]

"Everyone else" simply does not exist, even more of a fairytale than Fionna & Cake

[@cooldude2027]

@@Josuh uh… what?

[@tonoornottono]

@@Josuhwhat

[@Orto-jj2di]

If anything in real life such things happen too. Only traumatised person themselves can understand how they feel... others have problem to relate

[@nexenzy5825]

i absolutely LOVE tom kenny, and after years of hearing him play hyper high pitched characters, its so nice to hear him play a character so calm and low toned.

[@mawinstallation6626]

He said this was his most emotional voice work ever

[@WeirdTale]

An antiquarian adventurer with a PhD. And yes considering Simon revealed that he used to be an outdoorsman that used to camp and go into jungles for expeditions and also actually knows how to use sorcery despite not having access to his own magick says a lot. Basically Simon an extraordinary yet mostly intellectualy bent man in the 20th century, but is just a glorified museum exhibit among future humans... Which probably doesn't help. Though I am wondering why didn't the future humans offer Simon to use their technology to catch up Simon on 1000 years of technological progress and archeological knowledge and knowledge on magick so he can recover his Uni Professor status and at least have the dignity to teach classes again, or more likely just prerecord virtual reality lectures or something. Because him being an exhibit is just frigging disrespectful.

[@yuarentlucky]

Tom's voice is so nice, too.

[@Salemchevy]

Being honest Simon is indeed the most tragic character I have ever come across in any media. What makes it even more sad is how many of us including me grew up with ice king as the joke villain and now he is one of the saddest characters ever

[@SamuraiKnight]

Oh, you haven't heard the word of Kentaro Miura. Read the Tome of Berserk, that will beat Simon tragic life with his and to be honest "anyone" life.

[@hentaiprotag7122]

​@@SamuraiKnightah berserk fans the people who always like comparing tragedy levels but I agree

[@Cadriul]

Then you must not consume much media. He is a sad figure, but not anywhere close to being the most sad.

[@FerretyZebra]

​@@SamuraiKnightwell not really if you compare them relatively, like Berserk world is grimdark while adventure time is a fantasy.

[@Youbuu2]

Doof

[@betamax7845]

I feel bad for both Simon and Prismo. 1 is depressed and the other is overworked/exhausted

[@yunantheobserver6841]

Why can't we have both traits in one character? Ohh wait that's us isn't it?

[@JR-bf3bu]

​@@yunantheobserver6841yep exhausted and depressed a lovely combination if I do say so myself

[@kayush01]

both are depressed. Prismo knows that Jake dies and that's why he was rewatching their adventure

[@caron27]

Both are depressed.

[@thatonea-hole]

​@@kayush01 Also, Prismo is alive because of Finn & Jake going on a reality bending adventure to bring him back. Which led to an alternate-reality Jake having to sleep for eternity to keep Prismo ALIVE. So, just imagine how saddened/depressed Prismo is over prime-reality Jake dying!

[@diegov2631]

Imagine if you could time travel to 2013 and show this video to every Adventure time fandom. It would be crazy

[@spinolover124]

All of tumblr would explode due to the massive amounts of onceler and simon fanart

[@QueenLethargy]

@@spinolover124 you dont think tumblr's currently NOT exploding with the winter king's admission to wanting to kiss another version of himself?? i've seen at least 4 fanarts of each known version of simon in this series either as "oh my god and they were roommates!" or "oh my god and they were roommates 😳"

[@carameldacat]

@@spinolover124 i went on tumblr trust me they are exploding rn 😭

[@zoniken]

DeviantArt will go BONKERS for knowing this. I mean, there were shippers but blown into bullshits when dreams never came true.

[@sober_katz]

i miss 2013

[@topaz4692]

I feel so bad for him, I feel like the reason he decided he needed to become ice king again was because of everything he’s been experiencing, not only does he not feel like a part of this world, everyone seems to further alienate him, his house is a human zoo, whenever anyone talks about him they only view him as the IK (which was Simon at his most lowest) everyone keeps on saying he was “cooler” and “happier” as the IK even though the IK suffered a lot too in his maddened state, he was alone for so long and didn’t know why no one wanted to be his friend, he kidnapped princesses because he felt so lonely and wanted some companionship (it’s even more sadder when you realise the reason the IK wanted a princess so badly was because of Betty) Simon feels alone in ooo, he has no purpose now, even during the apocalypse as he was slowly losing himself he had something to do, he had Marcy to take care of, but she’s grown older now and can take care of herself, she even took care of Simon when he didn’t remember her, it’s sad to see him in this state of despair, I hope that Simon is able to find a purpose again and is able to confront his trauma, having him become the IK again would undo not only his character but it would also make Betty’s sacrifice in vein, she wanted him to be himself again, she fought so hard for him to be cured of the curse, she drove herself mad for him and even gave up her own existence for him to be safe and happy, Simon is running from his problems and I think he’s using the situation he’s in with Fionna and Cake as a reason to be the IK again, he wants that ignorance again so he doesn’t have to face his problems, he’s turning his self destructive behaviour into a selfless sacrifice for Fionna and Cakes universe, I do believe he wants to do good and help them out, but having Simon fully regress back into the IK would be so sad,, he’s such a good character and he deserves a chance at happiness in ooo

[@elijahbanks1947]

I hope this time Simon becomes Ice Prince: a mix of both identities to finally find peace within himself

[@_Iscream]

You actually convinced me that he’s not going to be Ice King again, for precisely those reasons. The very world is pressuring him to take up that role again, but it would make more sense as a character arc for him to decide to stay as himself. As for Fiona and Cake, if Simon gains magic without becoming Ice King, it might give magic back to their world, even if it doesn’t become as crazy as Ooo. Either that, or they might decide to accept their world as it is.

[@topaz4692]

@@_Iscream there has to be some sort of alternative way for Simon to not only help Fionna and cake but also keep his sanity too, since they’re going through different universes in the multiverse there has to be multiple crowns, maybe each crown has a different effect based on how it was created, maybe they could find a way to upload the FC universe into the multiverse, like uploading files from a usb into a computer, all I can really say is that if the series delves deep into the characters and gives them time to develop, I’m hoping we get some sort of friendship going with the main three, it would be nice to see the girls worry for Simon as they see the crowns effects on him, it might even make them want to find alternative methods for his sake

[@topaz4692]

@@elijahbanks1947 that would be nice, I think Simon is really split on both of his identities, things he enjoyed as the IK he doesn’t even want to talk about, he keeps on trying to return to what he used to know before but he can’t, he’s no longer just “Simon Petrikov, the antiquarian” and he’s not just “The Ice King” either, if he can find a perfect balance and find some peace that would be nice, it would be awesome if we get a conclusion to Simon’s character that feels right, where he can embrace the whimsy but still be grounded mentally

[@budgie4704]

imo i would be absolutely shell shocked to see a world 1000 years past what i lived in, where almost everyone i knew is long and dead and the world that existed before was almost entirely wiped out

[@abubakrakram6208]

I haven't seen the 4th episode yet (going slow, you know?), but I liked how Simon hugged Choose Goose after screaming at him for bringing Fionna there instead of Betty. It makes me think that he lied about Choose Goose being "just a spell battery to [him]." I also liked how Prismo was watching a Finn and Jake adventure, alone and unshaven, almost as if he missed them… like we do.

[@philly_sports1558]

I'm sure he still catches up with Finn but Jake was his bro. I think another reason why he looks so disheveled is because he's still taking Jake's death hard.

[@OminousSoul]

@@philly_sports1558 Well, there is also the fact Prismo, in his current incarnation, is dreamt up from an Alternate Timeline Jake who became his sleeping self.

[@thatonea-hole]

​@OminousSoul TRUE, basically, Prismo, by extent, is currently alive because of both Finn & Jake, especially JAKE. So I cannot even fathom how much of a toll Jake's death took/has on him

[@freetousebyjtc]

Is it explained anywhere why Choose Goose ended up crazy and evil looking? I'm all caught up now but I still don't understand why Choose Goose became like that

[@enti]

​@@freetousebyjtcPost credit scene from the Distant Lands episode: Wizard City

[@aidenegan3099]

0:38 prismo left Simon's shower running, are we just gonna ignore that

[@auburneytuckerson2959]

That's what I said! 😂

[@nekuaii3903]

Yo everybody talking bout how he be double cheeked up literally on a Thursday afternoon but not how he’s wearing his glasses in the shower

[@auburneytuckerson2959]

Hey, I wear glasses in the shower.

[@fearlesstryhard1316]

im actually dusgusted on how they treat simon bro i wanna cry so bad for my mans all he wanted was to be loved same as the rest of us.

[@noahboucher125]

He's grieving. No amount of telling him to move on, no amount of distraction is going to change that.

[@StarstruckChiroMusic]

1:18 Damn that line sounds so real

[@javontetreault6713]

Simon is by far my favorite adventure time character. Not ice king but simon himself. He truly is a tragic character that you seriously can't fault for any of his emotions. You can't call him overdramatic or an asshole for the things he does because honesty it's all completely understandable. He's a man not only out of his element but slightly out of his mind with depression and loneliness. It really remind me of those deep sad well written batman epsiodes with mr freeze. In fact I gotta say it's kinda interesting the similarities between the two characters.

[@Ch17_H]

The animation is just perfect. If you pause at 1:11 you can see a mark from the beer can

[@hahaalexasendthistorodrick]

The only part i didnt like about this episode was that they treated simon like a joke, through the episode he gets teleported while showering, forced to watch some of his most traumatic memories, called a sad loser because hes not ice king any more, slapped in the face and by the end he wants to become ice king again (which is essentially suicide as the ice king is entirely separate from simon and simon would have 0 control over his body)

[@kushkungvivo744]

Fiona and cake are really annoying the piss out of me ngl.

[@hahaalexasendthistorodrick]

@kushkungvivo744 in the first episode they were really good, and while not entirely insufferable in the fourth they were pretty annoying but to be fair we've gotten little dialog from them, I just hope they don't make them completely immature in the upcoming episodes

[@ballisticbiscuit5706]

​@@kushkungvivo744i wanna disagree but cake messing everything up during her musical was one of the most annoying scenes I've watched

[@aertnadle2466]

To be fair, SImon's treatment in the episode was kind of the point considering it shows how upset, depressed, and alienated he feels now.

[@anonymouslucario285]

​@@ballisticbiscuit5706did you have to stop watching?

[@thesmg201show]

Simon needs a therapy and vacation

[@multiverse_media2023]

Know any good therapists in the Cartoon Network/Warner Bros multiverse? Any good ones that aren’t named “Harleen Quinzel”?

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

​@multiverse_media2023 we could start with Black Canary from Young Justice as the series used to be involved with CN before they moved out years ago.

[@MintJoker9578]

​@multiverse_media2023 nah harley should be a great therapist for simon

[@cartooncentral263]

@@multiverse_media2023or any therapist outside the Cartoon Network/Warner Bros Multiverse.

[@lucas_leoheart]

well, he currently lives in floating city, yet i wonder why the minerva-bots never helped him with his depressive behavior

[@ryanhernandez5632]

Outside of marceline the only reason people even talk/interact with Simon is becuase they want something from him as ice king. He's constantly compared to ice king, mocked for giving it up or condescended too becuase of it. He even resorted to kidnapping a evil magic creature to suck magic from for his spells to return Betty. I'd be flipping everyone off, while attempting to secluded myself hermit style just to avoid the annoyance

[@WeirdTale]

I mean Finn while mostly knowing Simmon as the Ice King only told him to try fiction writing again, and took him on what amounted to a hardcore hunting trip to try and keep him too busy to think about his situation.

[@clanofclams2720]

I'm pretty sure Simon's plan for becoming Ice King again is basically his method of suicide.

[@seulbilee1025]

He finally escape from Madness, Now he has to deal with his Sadness

[@neutralplayeroflol5722]

He only has half of a floaty, so half of his face is sticking out of the pool

[@Sar.r3]

0:27 this is a rare gyatt sighting!

[@dongojangle106]

you can tell Tom Kenny is going all in with Simon. hes gone so far off the deep end when he sees Fionna he doesnt even sound like Tom. fuckin impressive and weve just gotten started

[@giaynhieumau]

😭 man really got a whole bakery back there depressed but slaying

[@LiamChaidez]

I’m so sad they couldn’t get the same actor to play prismo! The new VA is doing his best, but it’s just not the same. Though it seems like Kumail Nanjiani will be able to play him next season, so fingers crossed!

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

Idk if there's gonna be a next season, there could be more Adventure Time stuff but Fionna and Cake seems like a one and done deal. But yeah, it sucks Kumail's agents seemingly didn't even inform him of the role being open for him to come back, he seemed like he really wanted to do it too :(

[@Hoo_Dini]

I mean his current VA kind of fits his current look, the look of pure tiredness.

[@caroline7828]

It's actually an interesting ordeal and kinda scummy on a third party's end. So someone tweeted @ Prismos VA and asked why he didn't come back, he told them he would have loved to come back but he didn't get invited. Then a member of the show stepped in and let him know they actually did send out an offer to his agents. So it seems Prismo's of VAs' agents are to blame by completely being silent about the gig which is so gross.

[@philly_sports1558]

I agree. I liked the new VA but there was something about Kumail's laidback and chill delivery that really MADE Prismo as a character. The way he said stuff like "Nuh nuh nuh nuh nasty! Nasty jazz!" just made him so funny and likable. It's obvious that they just have someone doing their best impression, so it's not really the same.

[@swiftytaco8080]

THERES GONNA BE A NEXT SEASON???

[@saffronus7337]

Okay, what if Simon wishes for a version of the crown in which the ice powers dont make him crazy and turn him into a stylized non insane magical ice king instead? I can imagine simon wearing that type of crown and being a famous inventor of machines that are made out magic ice that never melts, plus an antiquarian at the same cuz why not????? Damn that's the perfect plot

[@michaelsarmiento3362]

If that happens, he might have the power to defeat the Lich and became the most powerful ice wizard in Ooo.

[@saffronus7337]

@@michaelsarmiento3362 Well bro, thats the point!!!!! I want Simon to be the most powerful Wizard of Ooo

[@saffronus7337]

@@michaelsarmiento3362 With that untapped potential he can easily unite Ooo aswell

[@saffronus7337]

@@michaelsarmiento3362 theres virtually almost an infinite numbers of realities where Prismo can tap onto and it won't be limiting to his powers. The crown grants immortality so that means that no matter who the next hero is, Simon would be there to protect, to guide and to invent. They just have to wish to go to a reality where Gunther the dinosaur had read all of the og writings of Urgence Evergreen and it has to be the reality where Gunther and Evergreen get k*lled by the comet, but Gunther still wanted to be like Evergreen, hence he wishes upon the crown and gets to be a non insane Version of Evergreen with all of his powers plus knowledge. Thats the reality in which that crown won't make Simon insane again.

[@gkehdgh1]

ARTHAS MENETHIL.....

[@Gardenofsen]

I really wish they would let Simon be happy for once. It took until the end of the series to finally cure him, the only woman he's ever loved fused herself with an eldritch entity to save his life, and now all he's left with is trauma from years of being ice king and the loss of his partner.

[@Mrcharles.]

I honestly feel sorry for Simon. Putting on the crown really crushed his life and now I don’t think he’s gunna continue with finding Betty. In some ways he’s considering death.

[@guestize]

maybe in some way the show might build up to that climax i think. itd be cool if they actually did

[@anonymouslucario285]

They're going to let him be happy by the end don't worry

[@wispy_nova]

Tom Kenny's performance as the manically hillarious Ice King, right down to the tragic lonliness of Simon Petrikov, this man has really been shaping my childhood with voicing these two, it's like Simon and Ice King aren't even the same people. Simon's voice is soft while Ice King's voice was CRAZY 🤪

[@abubakrakram6208]

I don't know what to make of the idea of getting Betty back. On the one hand, the notion of anyone being eater by Golb disappearing from existence was pretty terrifying, and I don't think I'd like to see that changed. But on the other hand, she wasn't eaten; she was merged with him by something else. So it stands to reason that she could be un-merged. It somehow still feels like cheapening the ending of the original show to me though. I doubt that they'd go down that route.

[@devantemungin7060]

0:56-0:57 When he said "dude" like that it did resemble how Ned Flanders said it when he loses it. Though it makes sense since both Simon and Ned are at least over 50 years old.

[@TV_MURDER2]

YEARS 1050 ago the Simon 🤓

[@nottellinyou3942]

Nobody even really liked ice king that much even when he *was* around!! They all treated him like gum on their shoe, or an interesting nuisance at best, yet now all anyone can talk about is how much they preferred ice king over Simon?? That's so fucked!

[@sabreejohnson1551]

Poor Simon, Dude. He literally can’t catch a break right now. He could really use some therapy right about now. And I get that he wants to help out Fionna and Cake, but becoming Ice King again is not worth it. Hope he’s not having second thoughts about this. I mean, after everything he’s been going through in the past. Of what’s happened with him, Marceline, Betty and the rest. We cannot risk him take that crown again. Think twice about this, Simon. It just not worth it! For the love of god, have mercy!☹️😣🙏

[@jaygooese4242]

I feel bad for him

[@liam6170]

I really hope he dose not have to become the ice king again at least not permanently again

[@P21345]

I hope he get together with Fiona by the end of the series who cares if she is genderbend Finn she is hot and has a more fun personality and better chemistry with simon

[@bowie3664]

WHAT@@P21345

[@js8qp2pwisos]

​@@P21345 😨

[@ventusxzephyr13]

Really hits the vibes of, People only liked you at your worst. Ice was was only happy because he had half a mind.

[@Ikury_X]

bro simon is so traumatized from being trapped in as the ice king for like a thousand years and losing his fiancee which was the reason he chose not to perish when the anti magic thing (forgot the name) un-magicked the crown definitely aint helping that almost everyone is constantly reminding him of that and telling him that ice kings is a better version of him

[@teddyfurstman1997]

Simon needs Hugs. Also the Net Flanders bit from The Simpsons episode Hurricane Neddy is a great touch.

[@unusbecauseimnotamasochist9045]

It's so unfair what Simon goes through, like he basically wakes up a THOUSAND YEARS in a future that feels like pure fantasy while knowing that for the past _THOUSAND YEARS_ he was completely out of touch with reality and actively terrorizing the people around him, and he lost the love of his life being cured of that. Someone in the comments of another video likened Ice King/the crown as an addict/drugs, like him being Ice King was like him getting high which let him behave so erratically and harmfully while acting so cheerful and "fun," and now everyone wishes he was an addict again instead of sober bc he's only fun when he's high (I'm heavily paraphrasing it and don't remember who said it originally or even under which video, but it really gives you a lot to think about)

[@ironpulse3658]

Honestly out of all the characters that I've seen in Adventure Time Simon is the #1 character that I absolutely feel bad for. The dude lost his entire life even lost the love of his life just by some stupid cursed magic crown

[@Mrcharles.]

Maybe there’s a way for Simon to never make contact with that crown to begin with. Perhaps if prismo could send him back in time before he wears the crown then maybe Simon could live an enjoyable life.

[@ironpulse3658]

@@Mrcharles. Remember that episode where Finn wished that the Lich never existed I feel like something similar to that would happen to Simon

[@kylepessell1350]

...what makes it even more tragic is that he put the crown on as a joke... and in that moment it was all over.

[@Mrcharles.]

@@ironpulse3658 After watching episode seven where Marceline never met Simon, it made me realize that the fate of humanity would’ve been wiped out because Simon showed Marcy that humans are good characters which in return protect them from vampires.

[@newthejsterjacob408]

What adds extra heartbreak is that Betty’s whole purpose for doing everything she did in the series was to bring Simon back and when he was he wishes he was back as Ice King

[@Introbulus]

0:50 - Hey Prismo. You think it was cool to put 'your stuff' inside of Simon's Head, just because he was a spaced-out Ice Wizard? That ain't cool, man.

[@mrk8827]

he do be cheeked up on a thursday afternoon as thats when the episode came out

[@PokemonkaDub]

He wants to be Ice King but forgets that he was miserable as well. Chronically lonely and sad, kidnapping princesses because of a vague memory that he used to call betty that (proving that that pain will never go away) just now he knows WHY he's that way so he can process it (which he's not doing, sadly)... I think that the moral will be to not forget/ignore the past like he tried to do with Fionna and Cake's books and ice, but also not live in it like he does for his job and now tries to by becoming Ice King again. It's to deal with it, make peace with it and move on... I really hope for a moment when he realises that just forgetting about the bad will also take away the good - his warm memories of Betty and Marceline = of beeing loved along with the pain of loosing everything... I want him to just be himself, fully. Write wacky books for little girls, but also be Simon, grieving but not making that grief overrun his life. Middle ground... I feel like the little girl who's a fan of Fionna and Cake will be the key...

[@breadcrumbhoarder]

Simon: I spent the last 1000 years with no control over my mind, body, or identity. I did horrible things against my own will. My flesh imprisoned me like the gates of my own personal hell and now I exit hell to find a world where I’m alone and everything is unrecognizable. I traded one hell for another. Everyone in Ooo: Bro your such a downer, when’s your next children’s book coming out tho? Fr tho imagine being trapped in the body and mind of an insane person who does crazy, often horrible things for 1000 years, and then finding out everyone _preferred_ you like that. Ouch.

[@bluepieee]

The fact that prismo didn't even give him underwear and just gave him ice kings old clothes is 😭

[@_M_643]

One thing I wonder about Simon is if he's immortal. Betty's wish was for the power to keep Simon safe. Either it was the power of the crown she was wearing when making the wish or the power of the golb she merged with to make the wish possible. We know that Simon does bleed when injured, and he does feel pain, but can something actually end his life is the question. Not to mention that he healed pretty fast from the wound from the bear. Also, he did say in the second episode in his depressed speech that every day is the same and that he is waiting for what. This may imply that he is aware that he can't die? Also, I wonder how it would play out if the powers of chaos and destruction are keeping Simon from dying when he is about to.

[@Eremenatar]

I don't think Simon is immortal because he's getting older, he's got that white streak of a hair and crows feet in his eyes.

[@YassineFarah2423]

I imagine Betty's wish or Golb's power might have created a probability since Simon somehow survived two extremely dangerous situations.

[@strivingsol1816]

⁠@@EremenatarWell, there is a difference between being unable to age and being unable to die. It’s possible that, with the wish, Simon can still age, but cannot be killed by anything that isn’t aging(and maybe his aging could’ve been slowed). I may end up being incorrect with that whole thing, but it’s a possibility.

[@jamesgabor9284]

The first time Simon came back I think in the episode ‘Betty’ he immediately began to die because quote ‘I’m old’. With the white streak in his hair, he seems to have continued aging, but isn’t dying, so I believe he may be biologically immortal or just plain not being able to die, but can still be injured? Or, maybe it’s because he was reverted to his ‘base form’ in Golb? Though, it was stated that the changes would revert after they left Golb.

[@_M_643]

@Eremenatar Yes, he seems to be aging, but does that mean he can actually die? What if just when he's about to die, the powers of destruction and chaos revive him? He wasn't in the dead worlds in Together Again, and biologically, he should die before Finn because we saw Finn lived till a very old age, which means whatever happens to him in this series may as well reveal his fate.

[@multiverse_media2023]

Man, this guy just wants to see Betty again, and now he’s brought Fionna and Cake to the Land of Ooo from their world. This poor man can’t catch a break, and what’s worst, he wants to become Ice King again to help Fionna and Cake! Simon, please don’t. That crown took too much from you, it messed you up bad, bro.

[@sabreejohnson1551]

Fr. Damn right it messed him up. I know, I get that he wants to help out Fionna and Cake, but for the love of Glob, this is just not worth the case. I mean, think about everything he has been through in the past. After all that’s happened with him, Marceline, Betty and the rest. Hope he’s not having second thoughts about this.

[@hugoumero9723]

@@sabreejohnson1551 well i guess he needs an break to find betty

[@ironicweeb4111]

I’m sure he’ll find a way to move on as Simon and we’ll be there to watch. In the meantime we get to see Tom Kenny’s range as this might be the most depressing thing he’s worked on.

[@P21345]

I hope he get together with Fiona by the end of the series who cares if she is genderbend Finn she is hot and has a more fun personality and better chemistry with simon

[@clarisacalderon9555]

I mean...if you think about it bett wished for the ability to keep him safe...what if her asGlob actually made the alternate wrld connected it to his subconscious and lt him make that connection so he can work through his biz...though would she even let him stay iceking even if he tried?

[@ankhangnguyenoan9205]

Alternate title: Simon just got violated in every scene

[@boomgirlbucko]

Simon is real adorable like this so I selfishly do not want him to turn back into ice king

[@vonnie0_0]

NOoOooOooo I love Simon so much, he’s utterly miserable and alone. I just want him to be happy, is that too much to ask after 10 flipping years?! 😭

[@Alizudo]

I love Fionna's comment about how happy Ice King seemed. Even during his first few episodes as a minor antagonist, he never took anything personally. He's rather carefree and somewhat ADHD, jumping from one hobby to the next and hyper-obsessing; but always seems satisfied with his life being nonsense. Nothing was ever worth being upset about for long periods of time (he was also still *_rather quite powerful,_* like that's underappreciated). I think they're either going to have Simon turn into Ice King (or something similar) again, or Ice King will separate and become a second person Simon can physically interact with.

[@Backlavalava]

Also ice king: spends an entire episode trying to learn how to be happy spends hours talking about how lonely he is draws a face on his foot for a wife because of how desperate he is for companionship is tormented by fits of madness and seeing things no one else can At least Simon understands what's happening to him, being ice king was like being a baby in a warzone

[@Alizudo]

@@Backlavalava I feel like a lot of that is Simon bleeding through, though - the foot-wife and loneliness. When he had people around, hanging casually with Finn and Marceline, few things seemed to bother him.

[@cronometroyt4283]

Simplemente parece que nadie le tiene aunque sea un poquito de empatía real Se ofenden simplemente porque Simón no se sintió mágicamente mejor solo por decir "bro debes superar esto"

[@callofhaloinfinite6336]

​@@cronometroyt4283Thank you! I've seen media try to do this multiple times and it's hardly ever done well.

[@demi-femme4821]

The second thing is already a thing. The Ice Thing just acts like Ice King right now. This is before his "getting one if his gems stolen by Jake's grandson" phase.

[@TheGentleman61968]

god man I hope Simon gets a happy ending here he gets the short end of the stick constantly.

[@nullnikola6002]

0:20 awww i want to hug Choose Goose too

[@auburneytuckerson2959]

Looks like Simon's already doing that...

[@Funinightmare]

I'm reminded of a quote from Jolee Bindo in Kotor with how much Simon went through and wants to forget. "If you're lucky most of your memories will good, if you're unlucky most of them bad, but if you're really really unlucky your memories will be so horrible you'll never want to remember them ever again"

[@Ray_D_Tutto]

Dam i'm unlucky.

[@gnashing_teeth]

1:20 Lets remember that Ice King was in fact NOT HAPPY AT ALL, in fact, he was just as miserable and lonely, just manic along with it

[@The_Official_Goblin]

The fact that this entire series is everyone gaslighting simon into going insane again is terrible

[@alicat6622]

Simon: i.. i don’t know how to live anymore, it would have been easier if i died all those years ago Fionna: yeah 🙄

[@BeholdDaPilgrim]

Simon is such a tragic character, much like Finn and Jake, he sought adventure but after discovering the crown, he caused the destruction of the world and eventually became insane, once he permanently gains back his sanity, it costed him his wife's life which caused him to go to Prismo just to find out that he isn't able to bring back Betty, leading him into depression. All of this to be called a loser and Ice King is cool. I was worried for a minute they would make Simon an antagonist but glad he is sympathized by the writers.

[@trinityharmon5107]

Prismo looks so tired of everyone's bs rn

[@bernebelmont1857]

Tom Kenny being pegged as the spongebob guy for so long really makes Simon stand out as, wow, the man can act!

[@sonicgalaxy27]

I still feel a little sorry for Simon. Being depressed and sad. He is just like me honestly. He can't really let go on what happen to Betty and he just feeling left out. Even spend a thousand years as a Ice Wizard alone which is really sad. Now he got his sanity back, he really don't know exactly what to do in the new world he live in. I feel depressed and lonely myself for 4 years. Again, he is like me almost.

[@szkraft220]

these two episodes were just so wonderful overall...

[@miragemain105]

1:10 I like how one of the cans just says Aussie Beer for no reason 😂

[@uploader109]

I'm surprised how no one mentioned how much of an enormous selfish jerk Prismo was to do that to Simon and to claim it was Simon's problem everything became like this. Imagine asking a drunk person if you could put an implant into their head, so messed up!

[@fearlesstryhard1316]

he didnt even deserve the fucking slap man has A FUCKING POINT. WHAT IS THE POINT IF THERES ALWAYS GONNA BE PEOPLE TAUNTING FROM BEHIND AS YOU TRY YOUR BEST. WHY DOES FIONNA GET A FREE PASS ON LIFE AND DEPRESSION AND ALL THE OTHER LOWKEY FUCKED UP SHIT THAT HAPPENS IN THIS SERIES

[@keithmichael112]

I was glad he agreed to help fionna and cake in the end, he was becoming too much the villain

[@MisterJohnDoe]

1:10 The face he makes when he reaches for another can would make a nice profile picture too.

[@ApetureTestSubject]

You know, if I found I was someone else's illicit fanfiction repository alongside everything else, then I'd be pretty disheartened too.

[@tiablue9106]

Yeah I know Prismo at least asked ice king’s permission and after he turned back to Simon he couldn’t access it anymore, but geez u should probably tell someone if u have a universe stored in their head lol guess he forgot

[@ChisomagaIhezie]

Not every yes is a definitive yes.

[@Edgarrat_1]

Simon is trying his best given his circumstances, can you imagine the feeling of being some magical weirdo for 1000 years, pushing everyone you loved and anyone who could’ve cared for you away just for some random people to tell you that you were “more fun” that way. Simon didn’t dislike the ice king, he says that he sometimes wants to be him again cause he likes the cool things he could do, but he also hates it because he would be too insane to realize what he might be doing is wrong. It’s kind of sad knowing he’s both missing and loathing being the ice king

[@theplasmatron3306]

Even though Prismo was the one putting all the thoughts inside Simon's head, Prismo still has to blame him for breaking the multi-universe rule, while showing what took place in the Mushroom wars. I'd be pissed too, I wouldn't want to help save their universe he created. listen here you little shit, I've been alive for a 1000 years and I've fought in the apocalypse, not to mention that he lost Betty - hell no. I'm totally on his side. I would be so angry.

[@funnylove4321]

0:32 Finn wasn’t lying about the ice king’s bubble butt😏

[@bluesnake4626]

Man its got to suck going through every day and having people tell you that you were better when you were an insane ice wizard.

[@phalee3568]

No wonder Finn once called Ice King "Bubble butts"

[@yvenusbeshears5287]

Why didn’t Simon just wish for a world where he and a different timeline Betty can exist together.

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

My guess would be that because you only get one wish he just wished to have Betty back and that didn't work so he's been trying to find an alternate way of getting her back ever since.

[@zaqareemalcolm]

Prismo's power can't separate her from GOLB, and I doubt Simon would be satisfied with an alternate wish-made reality ver. of Betty

[@ironicweeb4111]

It depends on how he worded the wish and Prismo’s doesn’t do take backs with his wishes nor does he give everyone a fair warning. Jake was the only one Prismo explained how his wishes actually worked and he guided Jake on what wish he needed to make at that time.

[@P21345]

I hope he get together with Fiona by the end of the series who cares if she is genderbend Finn she is hot and has a more fun personality and better chemistry with simon

[@ironicweeb4111]

@@P21345 I kinda hope not, Simon is pretty old, even after getting cured the man would be like almost twice Fionna’s age in terms of appearances.

[@CoolRks20]

I still shock on what he said at the end of episode 4 "I need to become ice King again" which surprise alot

[@greenightponydragon5127]

I think being ice king for so long did something to Simon. I think psychology anyway Simon hasn’t had to deal with his dark and depressing feels in many centuries when he was ice king he could force those feelings down or use the madness as an distraction. But now he just Simon again physically to some degree but mainly mentally it’s hard to relate to Simon because nobody quite lived like he has Or experienced what he gone through. Humans aren’t meant live as long as Simon it’s hard to believe the crazy but happy go ice king is now just a depressed human in a world he doesn’t understand anymore

[@addn0aur525]

i went through depression for like two years and it was so so so so hard to watch Simon feeling the way i did and giving up on life like that

[@arismellss]

0:05 *inserts vine boom*

[@BLACK_FALCON150]

Bro lost the girl he loved because she sacrificed herself to save all of ooo, of course he would get all messed up like this

[@Daimyo0394]

When Simon realized Fionna and Cake were actually real, I bet he was like "....I'm done with this sh't"

[@mrslasher1064]

Bro my man can't ever catch a break They did him so dirty

[@Changingtesting]

It’s actually so interesting they gave us a sequel to adventure time and taking a much more serious approach, the way simon acts remind me of the fan interpretation(from Steven universe) of Lars living forever because of his immortality given by steven and how he’s outlived everyone he once knew, and how it threw him into a spiraling depression

[@BrittanyGarcia-fj8op]

Glad that his bubble butt in his ice king form stayed when he returned to normal

[@ThinkingProblem]

I remember when it was first revealed Ice King was actually human, this show has come so far

[@diegov2631]

I must say it is quite interesting to see ice king without his powers, you can tell it is still him but as a normal person, he's truly cured. Too bad he can be happy in this world :(

[@Rei-uq1jv]

If only fiona and cake knew what simon went through when he was ice king, trust me its very very sad, i know his goofy and a pervert who kidnps princess but deep inside he just wanted to be love while protecting his little girl

[@billcipher3479]

simon be like i'm not drunk enough for this

[@Unknown-girl428]

He makes me cry for him. :(

[@fredv6237]

At this point Rick Sanchez would just invite Simon in the "depressed but manic losers club", and go on telling him that there's infinite Bettys and that his life is insignificant.

[@mrdoggo3569]

Thank god he doesnt exists in this universe. The last thing we need is justin's nihilistic self insert.

[@Cadriul]

@@mrdoggo3569 i always viewed Rick as a violent nihilistic version of The Doctor. With a god complex.

[@zcgamerandreacts2762]

Simon still wouldn't want em. He wants HIS. Betty. The one that fused with golb.

[@fredv6237]

@@zcgamerandreacts2762 Like how Rick still can't accept his current Beth is his daughter because his original Beth is dead. Which leads him to his nihilistic "Everyone is disposable because my asshole life means nothing" self.

[@fredv6237]

@@mrdoggo3569 You say that like you can fucking read Roiland's brain.

[@imbludabadeedabodai]

Simon kinda reminds me of Doc Brown from Back to the Future

[@ogconut]

since fiona and cake releases thursdays it literally is double cheeked up on a thursday afternoon

[@Unknown_fl0wer]

He really is bubble butt 😔

[@Eevee_Scorbunny_21]

Man. The current Simon really matches me right now. But I dont have anyone to slap me out of it

[@ChristmaxClaus]

Man, I feel bad for Simon. He might have depression and having a hard time trying to moved on with his life.

[@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450]

0:10 Thou disregarded thine swimming aids.

[@josh2096]

It’s really cool seeing Tom Kenny voicing a more serious role with a normal voice.