WoW is CORRUPTED and LONG GONE? | Asmongold Reacts to Bellular

Asmongold Reacts to "The Irreversible Corruption of WoW…" by Bellular
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[@mattigus]

I don't know where the video game industry is going, but Diablo Immortal was an important pit stop and turbo boosted it towards whatever its pointing at. It's telling of how bad it is when a lot of dedicated gamers are publicly hoping for the entire industry to crash and burn.

[@hasaki_oce4611]

At first, people work in the industry to make good game. Then the industry got bigger, and people who came are here to make money.

[@VantageCollective]

It's time to play in the stock market and yolo Activision puts that are way out of the money.

[@NeverClimbing]

@@TarisRedwing you sure? Last I heard Genshin is pretty popular

[@Flowerz__]

Na it’s really not. Diablo is actually late to the party lol. This has been going since the day the iPod touch released.

[@SoushiMinashiro]

The biggest problem with RMT “tokenization” by developers is that it actually encourages such behavior. Yes, RMT is unbeatable and will always happen to some extent, but having it explicitly forbidden in ToS and this rule being enforced to a sufficient degree deters the vast majority of players from engaging in RMT black markets.

[@haziqq981]

thats why I love bdo, even if there are some elements of p2w there is 0 RMT

[@haziqq981]

@@veritasabsoluta4285 no why?

[@OiiRobbi3x]

I swear bellular makes a video praising them then the next day its ragnarok for wow.

[@Clu2298]

fax! It's like the "circle of wow*"

[@lucasvallet4487]

He is the Emissary serving Bobby, scaring away the MAU only so that the Maze can grow stronger and more efficient.

[@Digitalcanvas77]

Bipolar. I stopped taking him seriously.

[@mattemattics5667]

Day 1: “Thing aren’t lookin good for WoW.” Day 2: “Well Blizzard just announced something great for WoW!”

[@actuallyroot9663]

It’s almost as if the world isn’t black and white and positions can be nuanced… crazy concept.

[@dougallen5734]

You could say that the reason video games felt more rewarding of your time is that it felt like the had unlimited time when you are younger, as you age and your understanding of your finite time, the value of that time becomes exponentially higher

[@grodon909]

For real. I still love runescape in concept, but I don't think I could actually play it again due to how grindy it's known to be, unless I was doing something else in the background to make up for the "lost" time. As a kid though, yeah sure I'll sit in front of this fishing spot all day. As an aside, I tried Melvor Idle, and it gives that same "number go brr" feeling of runescape, but without the huge time investments

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

You also used to be able to earn a lot of stuff "in game" as opposed to being able to buy it. I remember the old COD games where you unlocked camos and nameplates based on weapon and in game achievements, now it's all in some mtx shop or another, depending on the game you play. Really took away the sense of reward and accomplishment.

[@Taiylim]

A lot of that has already been commented. I’ll add that back in the era there were exponentially less games and forms of entertainment trying to gain your attention and wallet. I remember back in the time I had WoW, Guild Wars, and console games. That was it. There was no streaming services, endless content on KZbin, or rabbit holes to go down into on the internet. Cable TV was a few shows a week at best. Other than that all the time was focused on a few things. Today focus is split across dozens of outlets and makes it difficult.

[@itrunamok8019]

Absolutely the truth. I just turned 30 and the extra time I have these days seems much more special than it used to in my teens and early twenties. I miss the times when I could wake up at 11am on a Friday and play until 2am feeling satisfied. Now I feel guilt.

[@kingslayer447]

Great justification for RMT. Bravo.

[@wild5851]

What asmon is talking about 2:50 is a childhood thing I’m convinced when I used to play Wizard101 and Pirate101 I remember seeing it as this crazy thing I loved every second of it the spells looked insane and I would feel this amazing feeling within me of excitement I remember trying to play again when I turned 16 and the feeling was just gone no matter what I tried it sucks getting old man our brains just don’t get as “mind blown” as when we were kids cause you’ve seen so much shit that you’re not surprised anymore I think

[@R0KURU]

I know that feeling too..

[@KB-jz3ys]

Aaaww man you just summed my entire childhood up with W101 P101 and now WoW🥹

[@Thetoontownjuggler]

Bro this is EXACTLY how i feel about w101 and p101. I started playing w101 when i was 11, and im 21 now and i just cant find that feeling again it actually sucks so hard I remember back in MoP too, i grinded the timeless isle like a fucking idiot nonstop, even skipped school some days just to be up for the reset on tuesdays, its so hard but i cannot replicate that feeling of "escape from reality" anymore and actually feeling pure dopamine

[@anaalvensleben789]

@@tripleheadedmonkey6613 Your explanation assumes they are only trying to get that feeling from modern content. OP mentions going back to the same game and the magic being gone just a few years later. It is also assuming all modern content is short term gratification, which is pretty faulty between passion projects and indie titles. Elden Ring is a great game. Does not give me the same feeling Ocarina of Time gave me. Neither game has to do with social interaction.

[@lenox5018]

don t exchange it with shit things u just probadly have seen much more things and u know how the world works dat s all, don t be randomly pessimistic

[@andrewpatterson5203]

Asmon makes a good point at the 49:00 minute mark. Had a good friend and coworker come in completely devastated at the actions of his father. His dad, whom is retired, blew through his entire savings as well as max 12 credit cards spending over 50k USD on some random mobile game. his parents ended up having to sell their home due to the compounding interest on the credit cards and move in with my friend. These games are psychologically designed to absolutely be as addicting as possible, which is very similar to how cigarette companies used to manufacture their products. Imagine being in your mid 30's with a child and your parents have to sleep in your dining room because they are homeless. We can point and laugh at people who fall into these holes, say it is their fault for falling, but its the fault of companies like Blizzard who dig these wells for people to fall into.

[@Vicious1337]

That's the parents fault for not realizing the value of money

[@mitchell10394]

It's the fault of both. I agree with Asmon - it just needs to be made illegal. Otherwise companies won't stop doing it and people won't stop falling for it.

[@Cruelty-Torture]

@@Real-Ruby-Red ive played a number of mobile games over the years. Some of which had players who spent over $100k. Raid shadow legends, warhammer: chaos and conquest, lost ark... just a few that noone can play unless ye willing to drop 20k + to be top 1000. Else be content that you will never be competitive. You are plankton for the whales to feed upon. I feel sorry for the OP situation. I do believe could happen. Ive seen many step back in horror upon realising how much they have spent and their own dismay at still wanting n feeling compelled to spend more to play at a higher level in game.

[@GoznerPeter]

No one would even know the game existed if Asmon wouldnt have streamed it for an entire month in front of 200k viewers. And that my friend ain't Blizzards fault.

[@Cruelty-Torture]

@@GoznerPeter are we still talking diablo immortal here? The game with 3 million people pre registered... I had it installed the day it released. Lol. Many did am sure.

[@Hendrakii]

2:30-3:15 completely agree. Games don’t have that feeling anymore and I feel like that’s because the focus has changed from milking your time and keeping you entertained to milking your wallet and trapping you in a “I invested too much to leave” hole.

[@-a-s-a-s-]

It's all about the short term; instant gratification and dopamine hits.

[@Mastersturm]

There are definitely games that give that feeling still, at least for myself, you just aren't going to find those games from the majority of AAA studios aside from maybe a select few. Indie and AA studios I find much more consistent in this regard. I agree that it's sad how monetized and corporate gaming as a whole has become though.

[@Mastersturm]

@@haitharu Maybe it's different from person to person then or maybe I haven't hit that age yet. I'm 27, married with a full time job and still find that feeling of enjoyment and satisfaction. I am more aware of the predatory practices utilized today and much less patient when I encounter games with them.

[@lionart5230]

Agreed. It's all about the money now.

[@lionart5230]

@@-a-s-a-s- +1

[@EmrisMyrddin]

As much as it frustrates me to see Asmon defending GDKP, the fact is, GDKP would be fine if real money was prevented entirely from entering the game. Without the removal of the WoW token and the banning of all parties found to be involved in RMT, most players who don't want to buy gold are going to be way too disadvantaged to have an enjoyable time in the game. The prevalence of GDKP is only so frustrating because RMT has inflated the prices of everything to the point where players can't afford to buy anything with their gold earned in-game alone.

[@ramza675]

this is the part no one mentions. Id rather play the game normally but all of the outside factors are affecting the game, and it makes me not want to invest time if its this p2w

[@___Robin___]

Fully agree as someone who played classic and saw items like onslaught girlde go for 20k and dft for 30k I kinda grew sick of this. I was in a competitive guild and nearly every week I had to spend 1k gold on consumes which is the equivalence of 10 hours of farming just to attend a raid. So most of us would just go to gdkp's with alt you would either earn quite a lot or you wouldn't make much cause gear didn't drop wasting your time. Nonetheless you constantly were doing content you didn't need to carry others just so you could use consumables in your main raid. Since I raided on 2 toons I basically had to farm 2k a week and it became really painful so eventually I retired one toon but even then I had grown really sick of playing the game for p2w players., Let's not be delusional and pretend that gdkp is fair trading system like group loot or soft reserves. No the people hosting these GDKPs wanted gold buyers mainly. When I came back for TBC I came in later and people were on the verge of ending SSC and TK when I tried to join a kara group which only was gdkp they asked me to open a trade window to see how many gold I had on that toon which was around 8k they said we only accept 10k as a minimum so I got kicked out. Another time when I joined another kara GDKP one of the officers started whispering me that I was just freeloading and not spending enough gold when I just found the prices way too high for that gear late phase. Eventually didn't get a cut and was removed. I tried doing dungeons but honestly barely anyone was doing heroics anymore so it would take long finding people even on a massive server like benediction so gearing up was quite frustrating, not to mention getting the rep was near impossible at that time. I always wanted to do sunwell but seeing how the game had so much devolved I just unsubscribed again and stopped playing the game. Same with games like Diablo immortal and other MMO's I just can't stand them anymore so now I just gave up on mmo's altogether and haven't played any for the last years.

[@serikazero128]

i used to play another game called mabinogi. We often farmed ingame money (gold) and "sold it" to other players for in-game currency (real money) to buy stuff from the cash shop. Like, a pet, a mount, a special stone, etc. And it was fine, it was a player driven economy. It created some relationships between players and so on. While those selling irl money for ingame money didn't use bots to get gold because there was a much higher chance of getting scammed.

[@Norskolld]

We did GDKP weekly back in Wrath, we had heroic ICC on farm so on off nights we'd run a GDKP on alts with randoms and a few mains if they weren't going to be locked to the guild run. Worked well and rolled into Cata with mountains of gold.

[@tubetorius]

Having started playing again with other people, that's what makes the difference FOR SURE. I like spending my time with others who want to spend their time with me, that's what feels fulfilling. Feeling useful to others.

[@Balloonbot]

Thats why I only find myself playing multiplayer games. If i want a story i'd rather watch a show or a movie.

[@nigelmckeown]

In today's installment of the Stockholm Syndrome......

[@mikeg5039]

Responsibilities and life get in the way. When youre a kid you have 5 hours of school, an hour or two of homework, barely any chores, then the rest is game time. I have 2 hours a day to myself outside of work, sleep, and takin care of my baby.

[@jbo102]

Too real :(

[@jbo102]

@m yes

[@cscatracho]

I found myself needing to buy some tokens to keep up with my friends who spent the week farming just to raid. I did it twice then decided this was a money sink, quit the game and never returned. It was a second job to maintain and not fun.

[@iyaramonk]

Really? I don't really farm anything at all and have never felt compelled to buy a token.

[@Coastaljaeger]

Same. No problem at all going end-game not a dollar spent. How you playing mate? You trollin

[@iyaramonk]

@@bugskees146 Yeah I'm not anywhere near world first but pretty much just raid logging outside of new content and still the passive income covers my expenses

[@Nova-cn1ho]

@@Coastaljaeger maybe he has a life

[@Coastaljaeger]

@@Nova-cn1ho We all do, just how we spend it we taking bout. Paying to win or playing for fun I guess. Maybe some games aren'nt for quick reward people. Just saying dont complain the marathon is long. Run another distance perhaps.

[@xFaint]

I think a big difference is also that back then there were alot of mysteries and secrets, nothing seemed far fetched every option was open, True exploration. Something that we dont see that much anymore. Everything is datamined, everyone is midmax'd, lots of people have expertise in IT, Guides everywhere. So many people just focus on reaching "the end" of a game that they forget to enjoy the journey. Everyone wants to use their time efficiently. Information is at our fingertips and we are conditioned to constant gratification to a point that it doesnt have any value anymore.

[@llwonder]

Seeing what classic became over time reminded me why MMOs suck today. People are too goal oriented and will do anything to achieve it. It killed the game to see the boosting crusade

[@iyaramonk]

Still lots of players that play the old way. At least on my server.

[@kurokawaii6597]

It's fine to be goal oriented, but if there's a way to achieve goal. What's the point? Why should you farm 100 hours to lvl 200 fishing if someone can pay 5$ to get it. It's not as rewarding idk

[@iyaramonk]

@@kurokawaii6597 Depends why you play I suppose. I don't think you should pay much mind to what other people are doing.

[@kurokawaii6597]

@@iyaramonk It's not about what people are doing, it's about what they can do. If you allow them to pay to achieve any goal that remove the purpose and motivation of doing it (and also break the economy of the game). But my whole point was goal oriented = not bad, money to achieve goal = bad

[@iyaramonk]

@@kurokawaii6597 But paying money so someone else can do the work for you has been possible since day 1 and will continue to be possible. I'm not sure why you need to worry about this unless you want to buy services as well.

[@Zachalmighty]

Can Bellular make up his mind? One moment he's hopeful and the next he's not.

[@Jerimyhawks]

Ironically, Thats what WoW does to you. Hopeful then not in quick succession.

[@Scywio]

>WoW is CORRUPTED and LONG GONE In other news, the water is wet.

[@FXFXFXFX]

Water isn't actually wet

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

To be fair this happens everywhere. The inventors & copyrightholders become unworthy of their own franchises legacy and fan's have bigger passion, respect and even understanding for the franchise left than those who took over in the company. It happens all the time.

[@Clu2298]

@@FXFXFXFX Me when ur mom...

[@prime6965]

Asmon's reaction to Bellular's jebaiting ad plugs always makes me smile

[@paranormaljunkie]

In wow at first I was afraid to message people. About a year later I would message everyone and have a great time. Those were the days!

[@ahmedsgallery3507]

what do u mean ''were'' ? you can STILL message everyone now too.

[@McluvinYOU]

here's the thing tho my man... you don't have to grind gold like other anymore... you're just given shit tons of in game currency to get what you want which means you aren't part of the community that deals with the problems of being outbid everytime.

[@Obscur888]

What i wished they do is having our progress A1 up to A10 would continue evolving up to A20 in next extension in place of having to start B1 up to B10, then C, D, E, making the tree skill evolved à la PoE or ESO!

[@Noxa9]

My dad just turned 50 in may and started WoW from day one, he got me hooked at such a young age. Sadly he stopped playing within the last 6months, but I remember the days where he so focused on the game due to gold!!

[@moodscroller]

This video really did hit pretty hard. I used to play a lot of video games and they did use to feel more fulfilling. I'm currently in this weird transitional phase where I'm torn in between playing the current style of monetized, pay wall, content-gated games that don't respect my time, all the while requesting you to pay ridiculous amounts of money for character transmogs or at worst actual progression in the game OR trying to do something about it to change the landscape of gaming as an individual by attempting to make my own games and content. I thought that what you did with the indie developer showcase could eventually end up being a big part of trying to change the current gaming landscape. I truly believe that Chris Kalieki and Notorious Games and a lot of the people who ended up leaving Blizzard saw where the company was going and disagreed with that direction, which is why I still have hope that REAL gaming could potentially make a comeback. I think the only way to change the current landscape starts with gamers as a whole. We need to all take a step back and really look at the current landscape and decide what we accept as individuals, and vote with your wallet. I see it happening with Diablo Immortal right now. This needs to end. Make Gaming Fun Again.

[@Weedmate420]

if gaming is a source of stress for you and not an escape anymore... please stop it... as cheesy as it sounds.

[@caynidar6295]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bell's sponsor segues are absolutely TOP TIER 😂

[@Vadnarr]

Asmon and bell are both in the attention economy business. That’s all I’m gonna say.

[@EhhmmmNo]

Jeathe brought up a good point about this when he talked yesterday about toxicity in MMOs, namely that let's say you have open approved sexism in your guild, the people who are not OK with this will leave, and the people who come back in who are okay with this will stay, and eventually you just have a really sexist guild. It's the same thing with companies and this sort of token stuff. It's not that "we" chose this, no, the people who aren't OK with this just already left, so now it seems like "we" chose this, when it's really just the people that haven't moved on.

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

Most Blizzard games have incredibly toxic communities, I almost feel like it starts at the top with Blizzard management and works its way down into each game and its respective player base.

[@HoundXXII]

And that's totally fine, keeping a guild like that around is good for the player base as a whole because you can easily segregate personalities. If you don't like it, then leave. If you like being sexist (I do online because I have a wife and don't play videogames with other women) then you can be sexist and be left alone

[@iyaramonk]

@@TeKnoVKNG23 You're going to have make a better argument for that one.

[@insidecross81]

20:00 omg i remember seeing dead body's on the floor spelling out things! i really wish i had gotten pictures of them >

[@hexoson]

A month or so ago, I really got into Stardew Valley and was playing it for like 8 to 10 hours a day for two straight weeks. It was loads of fun and I felt like I got so much done. Then I realized that I really needed a job if I wanted to pay my student loans off so I started working. While getting a full-time job for the first time has helped me value my time a lot more than before, I still feel unfulfilled on my days off. I wish I was able to do more, and my job is the same from the day-to-day. Sure, there are some things that I do at my job that is new, but considering the job it isn't anything fun or exciting. It's merely just to help keep the job from feeling boring. I can't wait to start college again so I can do shit with friends and play games more. I haven't played Stardew Valley since I started working because I feel like that the time I have off isn't enough to do that much, and I don't even really bother playing games on the days I do work. I spend most of my free-time relaxing by watching KZbin or Twitch. That week or two I played Stardew Valley reminded me of when I used to play GMod or Minecraft everyday after coming home from middle school from 2012 to 2015. I put in over 800 hours into GMod alone as a middle schooler, but ever since I started college and working every so often I just don't have the time to feel satisfied playing anything. It makes me wish I could stream and not have to worry about my future while also playing games I enjoy and gaining fulfillment from them, but I just don't have the time.

[@kileNoe]

Do doordash, uber eats, gig economy apps if you want more money and maybe see some light at the end of the tunnel

[@lionart5230]

You really don't need tons of time to find enjoyement. Sometimes less is better.

[@thetalantonx]

Thanks for the insightful response to Bellular's video. I really hope he does continue with this style of content as he's pretty uniquely positioned to comment on the state of gaming and trends within that space.

[@Hammerage1]

He's been doing it for a long time, low effort content that people enjoy, I don't see him stopping any time soon.

[@wiliestrogue2924]

NO. Everyone is uniquely positioned to comment and DO SOMETHING about the state of gaming...gamers just choose not to. Speak out online, in person, and with your wallet!

[@Hammerage1]

@@wiliestrogue2924 One person can not move a mountain on their own. People can't mobilize without a front figure. The unique position Asmon has is the platform to reach a large group of players.

[@thetalantonx]

@@Hammerage1 This, thanks.

[@GoznerPeter]

Question, does that solve anything?

[@Theaffinity11]

GDKPs aren't the problem, its the pinnacle of a player driven economy. In classic, the bigger problem is the massive nonstop flow of gold being funneled into the economy by legions of bots. On Benediction Alliance the server is so completely botted that its impossible to even find herbs or ore in the open world. The time investment for farming gold is laughably unworth when you can buy 5k gold for like 30 bucks. I WANT to farm in game but its just not worth to do so. Blizzards strategy of banning the players for buying gold while doing nothing to provide an open world where you can actually farm reasonable is also just laughable.

[@hasaki_oce4611]

I played another game during tbc classic. There's cash auction house where u can sell gold/items/pets/CHARACTERS. This game started in 2003, but the cash-gold ratio has changed less than 5% for 18 years of time. So what they do is, to make easy content drop no gold (very little soulbound gold that u can train urself), if you want to farm a reasonable amount of gold that worth $500 a month, your character probably worth $4k minimum, and nobody dares to bot, because getting banned is expensive and very likely to happen. If you are caught scamming, your character is then sent to a prison where u must pay $100 to get out. If you are caught scamming for an amount big enough to get into irl prison, you are there (happened multiple times lol). The game is time-based, for like 8 cents an hour. So even if someone found a very immaterial and sneaky way to bot, it may still result in a loss.

[@scrantondangler8068]

Revenge bedtime procrastination sounds like what my wife has after I forget to do something around the house.

[@JBBrickman]

This is not what Gordon needs to be hearing, he's a highly trained professional!

[@MCJC42]

It's the feeling bro that's the key. We used to feel we had purpose just playing game and that doing whatever was the meaning of our young life. As well as the fact as we grow the time we used to see as a week gets less significant ya know. At 16 a week of your life has been a greater percent of your life than when your 50

[@holysecret2]

Most of the difference though for me lies in the game's deterioration, rather than my aging. Certainly it does play a part, but for large parts I could enjoy Classic just as back in the day. The areas where it felt lacking was mostly due to how other players, who had come from retail and with a retail mindset, had started to optimize everything, including mage boosts, "speedrun" dungeon clears, add-ons such as Questie, GDKP, RMT, bg pre-mades, then the store mount and store boost, which players cheered for and embraced, etc... The game itself was fine, it was slow and character progression was challenging enough to allowed for meaningful and rich human experiences just as back in the day. All that can be killed by the wrong mindset (eg. time is money), as well as overly focusing on player convenience.

[@xikirito_6809]

@@holysecret2 The "retail" things you are pointing out have all been created by the same people that played back in the day, optimizing things and getting BIS gear is not a retail thing, that's a MMO thing it has always existed our understanding of Meta and the way we learn a Meta has just evolved, its natural that's how Human Civilization came to be. Also, if you look at it from a Psychological point of view you would know that WoW has objectively not gotten worse the people that used to play it have just grown out of it, time is more valuable to a 30 y/o than to a 14 y/o, another thing is children and teens get excited much easier than an adult because for them, it might be their first experience with it, ask any child that plays WoW actively if they like the game, the answer will most definitely be yes. If you want to play an actual bad MMO look at Black Desert Online that is what a bad MMO is, the worst thing WoW has currently is the store which just shouldn't exist in a Subscription based game.

[@antijo1]

@@holysecret2 Before classic wow, I always believed the whole thing about "I just got older, so I don't enjoy gaming any more", but then came classic and I enjoyed it just as much as I did in my teens.

[@holysecret2]

@@xikirito_6809 Retail has RDF, personal loot, even more rampant RMT than Classic, no more unique starting zones for each race, an incredibly (overly) sped-up leveling process, store mounts, no talents or tier sets, sharding, heirlooms (which will sadly come with Wrath, and make any dungeon or quest loot undesirable), etc. Personally I struggle to see how it is in any meaningful way an objectively superior game to Classic. And I'm not saying that Classic is a perfect game, it has issues as well. But it is much closer to it than retail, for me personally. You may personally prefer some of the retail convenience features, but that does not make it objectively better, just better suited for your tastes, just like Classic is better suited for my tastes. I do think Classic is overall better though because as an MMORPG it focuses more on the character progression, the community, the world, the immersion. All of which retail compromised on, and ultimately lost them because of it (it lost meaningful stats on Items, interactions between players are reduced due to the randomness of sharding and RDF, you lose contact with the world due to fast travel, and gear and personal achievements have been lost due to store items, boosts paid for with real money, etc.).

[@dragdive]

Yes, I remember the feeling of accomplishment after hours or days of playing games as a kid/teen even in my early 20s. Especially with wow I always felt so fully immersed and excited for all the quests I had going and mats I needed to farm and mounts I wanted to collect, but I really don't feel that at all anymore. I can't find any game I feel super excited about, they all just feel like something to do.

[@poligrant5152]

I think thats what growing up is like, in a sense. because i experience this too. remember when everyone was saying "I will be gaming in my 40's!" but you lose the passion

[@poligrant5152]

@@gahno76 Well, i half agree. If you experience a genre many times it might not be exctiing, but i don't think that is the problem, because i didnt really like dark souls, and sekiro, but loved bloodborne, and it was the last game out of the 3 i tried, so maybe it's about making a game more unique experience even if it's the same generic fps, hack n slash, rpg type? if it's unique it can offset the generic genre of the game, also i don't try to find new fun experiences, hence i only play few set genres and stick to them, im comfortable in a place i am, where im automatically decent and get knowledge fast, super good for new multiplayer releases, i mostly play stuff like dota 2 now because singleplayers don't do it for me anymore, especially when i don't have the best pc (1050 ti) maybe when i upgrade i will play stuff like elden ring, dying light 2, and reignite my passion again, i hope so.

[@poligrant5152]

@@gahno76 Yeah

[@poligrant5152]

@@gahno76 I feel like that's why mmorpgs are so popular too, you play both for the game and the community, even if you get dissapointed in 1 thing there's still second left, while super competetive games if you get bored, you won't play for the toxic ass community they have, and with story games you obv wont play for the community if it's singleplayer

[@velukuzusama4224]

@@gahno76 I have to disagree about wow not changing. Torghast beta iteration was great, had a real sense of roguelite, you could really feel getting more and more powerful the more you progressed. Yes, a run took time, but that time wasn't meaningless because you had that dopamine everytime you got a new power that was breaking the run more and more (like in Binding of Isaac). They had put a good roguelite feeling in WoW. It was still WoW, but the feeling was completly new. Then they fked that up by trying to impose what they did with WoW for years, timegating shit, not allowing it to be broken. Why corruption was fun at the end of BFA? Because everything was broken (and if everything is broken, nothing is). The way they want to put THEIR vision (for business matters) while a lot of players need and say they need another to feel keep playing is, in my opinion, the worst thing that could happen to a video game company. I still like m+ and raiding and that's pretty much enough for me, but man, they keep on missing good opportunities to actually do something new about the game while they showed they could and they could make it feel good and worthy of the players' time

[@lolzforlunch]

What if you sleep in a 5 and 3 hour increment and pretend to yourself its the same as 8 hours a day? Asking for a friend.

[@videogameaddicts1797]

You would never believe how seedy the virtual gold selling market was. I was a player in that arena for a while, but I don't think people really knew how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[@greyb5511]

That first 3 mins talking about enjoyment in games and playing for 14 hours and feeling fulfilled.. Man that hit me so fcking hard. As a child I loved Maplestory and was my first mmorpg experience. Everyday afterschool once I got home that's the first thing that would come to my mind and for endless hours I would just game on and not even have to worry about anything around me. It was like I was absorbed into the Maple world and anything I did in that game actually felt like it mattered. I do believe as we grow on this feeling must fade as more responsibilities and other priorities must take over.

[@littleDainolf]

Gdkp was never a common thing on my servers vanilla - cata. Sometimes the top guilds ran them but not very often.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

GDKPs aren't inherently evil, however they encourage RMTs whether it is illegally buying gold on Classic or buying WoW tokens on retail. Also while they have always been around to some extent, it is only recently that they have become more well-known and relevant.

[@junechevalier]

Players have created this world themselves. This behavior has such a big market that not diving into it as a company would be a sin. I think the trend towards play-to-earn would only lead to its own genre. Eventually some indie devs would come out of this situation and revive the good ol days' business model that the two markets would separate

[@drtyprior]

Depends on business style. If you're not public, you can "afford" to actually make a good game.

[@Sigma1]

"When are you gonna need 2 computers" (me with my pc, home server, and 2 phones, right next to me...)

[@Sigma1]

(btw I use arch)

[@UnlegitSenpaii]

nice, i also use arch

[@TooGumbica]

Exactly, i also think as a kid you dont feel that things wil end, so you enjoy them more. As an adolt you figure a concept of time and that things have a beginning and will end. So basically short term satisfaction becoms less important and you switch your priorities to "grater good", family, kids, job that matters (not just to you, but to others, skilled labor and so). That why most ppl even tho they play videogames for a job, they create a something greater to feel fulfilled. Like a community, teams, charities and so.

[@aprilecotton2060]

I’ve really never understood why you pay money to boost, and skip the game, when the reason for playing a game is to enjoy the content. I’ve never understood people who literally just pay money to beat a game, then sit at the end of the game and do nothing. Wtf

[@itzhiyate9809]

I sucked at typing, and WoW helped me with that skill

[@t2d748]

a warlock in our classic guild posted his g2g history and showed to have spent atleast $5k on gold in just the last year, hes a regular gdkp runner that rolls through alts

[@saryakan]

The Beginning hits different watching it at 1am...

[@Gaara11990]

I didn’t think tokens were bad on release mostly because at the time farming old raids for mounts,you would acquire the amount needed on my server to pay for my next month for things I was already doing weekly. Sadly it turned into a funnel in reverse shortly after as every server suddenly spiked in price to buy the token and I’m not gonna spend 200k for a month playtime.

[@sgtpilko5428]

340k on argent dawn atm...crazy

[@premierlitnant1570]

I remember my old friend bought so much gold, So he got bored of the game later on and litarelly told the GM about it to see if he got banned or not, And guess what, He did not get banned, Blizzard does not care if you ruin the economy.

[@k.w0]

They only care when a big outrage is happening. Same shit with Bots. Let them do what they want until a lot of People/Streamer complain. Do shit for around a month and then go back to ignore it.

[@Genard66]

Asmon is the definition of "chaotic good"

[@jock4551]

he ain't good

[@lightworker2956]

He's repeatedly scammed people. He's not good. Just because someone is likeable, doesn't mean they're good. I don't even know if I'd call him chaotic, because on occasion he does make pro-legislation arguments, such as "government should ban loot boxes." Someone doing chaotic things occasionally and advocating for more laws occasionally is probably neutral. Indeed, I'd peg Asmon at true neutral. Although yes, there's specific moments where he acts CG.

[@mayaspare5772]

@@lightworker2956 remind me again, how did he scam people? I am new to this person so...

[@Westeroni3]

When we were younger, the game seemed to have more real accomplishment, attaining your mount was such a huge thing, and felt just as much an accomplishment as anything done in the real world. As we get older, its more and more just a game we play to distract ourselves from how much we want to do. It's becoming a less and less effective distraction. Weve built a tolerance.

[@lionart5230]

I disagree that age is biggest factor. With WoW Classic launch I had tons of fun, accomplishment and didn't feel like I am wasting time till I hit the wall, namely raiding same two bosses for 2-3 months. It was too repetitive and became boring. I felt like loot system is really designed to waste your time and there was no content, nothing to be done but wait for these time gated repeated encounters. I was working as Software Engineer in company as well as having some social life, working out and cooking for myself so it wasn't non stop gaming with no responsibilities either.

[@Griimory]

What sense of accomplishment can you get when the click of a button can download an addon which will tell you how to optimize anything and everything, basically playing your character for you instead of letting you immerse yourself into the gameplay?

[@redtemple8918]

Osrs bonds happened around the same time, they clapped it by ensuring the money was next to useless for buying end tier gear and only benefitted new players where if you have a friend you’d probably get set up with that money anyway and gold farming players could actually start getting membership for free, much as there’s a rwt issue in osrs I don’t think it has been affected anywhere nearly as badly as wow did

[@castrocompany]

bonds were the best thing added to the game tbh, you just need to play the game for like 5h and you will get enough coins to pay for the membership that is great

[@skeith452]

GDKP is fine in and of itself. But the problem is it strongly incentivizes gold buying, which in turn incentivizes botters (to sell more gold) even more which increases inflations. Then this turns into a vicious cycle.

[@spumly123]

i think the reason you cant feel fulfilment from a night of gaming, or getting a sweet mount, or getting a 99 in a skill, is because as a kid, your entire life is all free time, so non-tangible achievements meant more to you. now, things objectively need to be tangible in order to measure worth, i got bills to pay, children to feed, my wife to keep entertained, a job to work. getting that mount i wanted or grinding that skill to 99 doesnt fill my hirearchy of needs as an adult, but when my hirearchy of needs as a teen was literally jerk off, play games, eat food, its alot easier to think those things are valuable.

[@itrunamok8019]

Absolutely the truth. I just turned 30 and the extra time I have these days seems much more special than it used to in my teens and early twenties. I miss the times when I could wake up at 11am on a Friday and play until 2am feeling satisfied. Now I feel guilt. I feel as if I am unfair to the games industry at times because I want a game as big and as immersive as WoW felt when I was 12 years old, but also I want to have that feeling in maybe 8-12 hours a week. Maybe I just dont have the time anymore.

[@imnackeredsirnackered948]

I do this but in a somewhat different way. I get home at 5pm from work, I eat then go to bed by around 6pm so that i can wake up at 2am, game from 2am to 6am then get ready for work, go to work and then be absolutely fried after work so i can then go to bed early of a night. I only do this week days where as on weekends i sleep usually at 1am

[@moonsy-9733]

I remember DPK being pretty common during Wrath, not so much GDKP.

[@Endeva09]

GDKP in Pugs, DKP in guilds.

[@fakeplasticsoldier]

Lost Ark has native GDKP. GDKP is basically the main form of loot for a certain subset of items

[@OneMeanDragon]

was always GDKP's on kt, gold at the end was split between the people that didnt get anything, so in the end if you were just carrying you made the most of your time in the raids.

[@kyakarot]

Maybe my server was different WE NEVER used gold for GDKP we used attendance points, when you show up for and complete a raid you get a certain amount of points , you use your accumulated points to bid on drops I have no idea when gold started to being used or maybe that was just my server.

[@thep.i.s.s274]

I think the distinct difference between now and when you where younger in terms of playing games...time investments and that feeling of accomplishment, the reason we feel it less or, not at all as we age is because we are (potentially) a lot les naive, and overall we have a lot less free time on our hands and we have much more real life burdens to take in consideration as we grow ever more old, so we feel a need deep down to make any second count, why games fall out of grace...time slips with no way of going back...you dont know how much you treasured something till you loose it.

[@jeebbers5195]

On my server in BC, Turalyon, my guild used to do GDKP runs for BT. This has been happening forever, just the difference is that there are more people doing this end game content then before. That...and well, WoW token.

[@MaskofAgamemnon]

34:42 You called it. I'm playing Elden Ring on my comp and watching Asmon on my phone. Just killed Death Rite Bird.

[@pauls4522]

The only thing which will greatly reduce the gold buying is pushing is passing new laws at the country level in multiple countries. Then it will be no mans land buying from the gold seller sites.

[@W.M.1]

I remember farming the AV white howler wolf till my hand stopped working due to severe carpal tunnel. Ive had 2 surgeries since, but that achievement still felt good :)

[@henriquedasilva3037]

check you accounts, in my game launcher it stated game inactive, but when going to the internet site, they where still billing me all 6 mounts....

[@shadowmaster335]

that thing about selling gold in WoW for gold in diablo, yeah it's not just that, i had a friend in ffxiv who straight up said to me "yeah, imma just go sell some gold in WoW and get paid in gil here in ffxiv"

[@datemasamune2904]

I don't play games as much anymore because they do take a lot of my time. I enjoy them, but I also got other stuff I want to do. Doesn't help was when I used to work at a night shift. I'd want the night to be over to leave, and I'd watch the clock every now and then, hoping that after taking a call, the night would have gone by much faster. However, upon reaching weekend, I would often hear "Thank goodness it's weekend already". You ultimately realize that while time feels long in work, it actually passes by too quickly. Then the things you planned at the start of the year never get done, and you're almost at December. I still play games, but I restrict myself heavily now, because there are other things I wanna do, like actually improving my craft in drawing.

[@Willbotx]

It's more your perception of time changes as you age. Like when you're a kid a year feels like an eternity but to your average adult a year flies by before you know it.

[@Spippie_Sugarfuse]

What Im excited for is to see how hard people are going to stretch logic to cope that pay to win hasn't gotten worse. "Oh you don't understand liver function subscription has always been a thing, you're just salty and mad +ratio"

[@SLYSTARx]

Getting old is definitely a factor. But then I played vanilla servers or even wow classic and I was like yup, it’s not my age. Those games were fun just as I remembered them.

[@olderbadboy]

The feeling of not having time for yourself where you just do whatever the fk you desire and chill is something that ruins my sleep often... Then there is the other problems , the future problems and the past problems that keep rotating in my mind .

[@alidan]

34:48 not really need it, but lets be real, if you are grinding in a videogame something to watch while you do the mindless task makes the mindless task FAR easier to get through

[@jecal2855]

Asmon pretending like has a job to wake up for is adorable. You could sleep for a month straight and the only thing that would happen is you'd wake up hungry

[@Syntari]

It’s a job

[@HewyHikes]

I will have to look at my old wow magazines when they had the sub for them i have the whole collection and im pretty sure gdkp was in the wrath issue under guild management advice.

[@MuppsterMupp]

I farmed Wintersaber back in Vanilla, I was 13 years old and did it because it was special, rewarding and I could show it of on my mount and not alot of people had that. This is what the game today lacks, there are 1000 reskins and that deminish the grind of those rare stuff. I quit sometime into SL and have not returned since

[@yellowboat825]

It's actually 20$ raw profit since a sub can just be activated at anytime without payment if you have authority and costs blizz nothing. Best example is if you have the gold to buy a token they give you free game time to buy it.

[@DEML91]

People who believe that there were no RMT in the past, clearly never played it back then, I remember my guild leader buying money to give Sandstone drakes to every raider on the Guild in Cata and that wasn't the first time I saw things like that happen, the big difference is it now information spreads out much faster and everyone easily knows how to do this things that is the true difference here, every mmo has RMT issues just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

[@Unf0rget]

So, in another mmo called blade and soul, gdkp was how loot worked. Bidding was the core way to win loot in pugs and the game split the money between the rest of the party. Without rmt it worked fine, the game had other problems (daily spam being the only other way to earn gold). gdkp is just a practice. Unchecked rmt and botting driving up inflation and devaluing most player avenues for gold through flooding consumables and trade materials is the main problem. The game lacks gold sinks so inflation is inevitable but a system that could last a year or more at reasonable prices now hits stupid price tags in weeks with most gatherables too abundant to have value. The damage is just most noticed in gdkp.

[@cammokyle]

Never heard of GDKP until Classic. I was always in guilds with loot ocuncils or EPGP or some other loot system (EU). Gonna be honest, I really don't like the sound of having to farm gold to get gear.

[@daddyernie2289]

in WoD when they introduced the token, i farmed gold on my garrisons on all 15 alts i had at the time and paid for WoW for 5 years with just gold

[@snorlaxcom]

0:37 Then cuts to a Keeps ad 😂

[@TheCasualSubculturist]

Koreans called these "ebay character" as "Wallet Warrior" (direct translation)

[@Ecliptor.]

40 seconds in and I feel just as attacked :( I played wow since tbc, then on and off after mop, but I don't remember any gdkp at all in my servers. Not saying he's wrong, because I know they existed. Just never seen one.

[@ZanathKariashi]

I hadn't heard of it till classic either. I know people sold carries, that i remember seeing, but nothing remotely like GDKP.

[@fpvx3922]

Even in Vanilla we ran instances for buyers... Nefarions Head, Naxx, Cthun...

[@ReyRey277]

2:35 I used to play league for 17 hours straight when I was 13 during the summer. it wasnt even ranked and I'd feel the same lmao.. I felt like I was the most accomplished guy in the world too. Now I'm 19 and I cant stand playing any game for 3 hours straight

[@MrPapamaci88]

Two things, 1 is about sleep, another is about addiction. Zack should ask his dad about military sleep. You can easily train yourself to sleep whenever, wherever for however long you have. He could sleep more if he could sneak in some quick naps into his schedule, then staying up late would stop being an issue. It is important to stay healthy and I want Zack to stay healthy! I usually sleep around 4 hours per night, but I can easily sleep 4-8 hours during daytime, depending on how much free time I have. I used to have sleep deprivation when I was younger because I couldn't sleep at night properly, now I sleep more than enough. Helped me a bunch. Also, games being addictive is like most drugs, both trigger your brain to make more dopamine. As you slowly burn out your dopamine receptors, you'll need stronger and stronger highs to feel good until you need this crap to not feel bad. You may say games are not drugs but making you an addict CAN lead you down that path. When I was a small kid i obsessively collected stuff like comics, trading cards, stickers and I ended up becoming an alcoholic at 15 and I've been vulnerable to addicting behavior since. I quit drinking after 6 years when I realized my friends became abusive asses and I was becoming an ass too. Gaming is fine but I need to switch them around often, whenever I feel like I am grinding pointlessly without having fun; switch! Zack says the same, whenever you are bored with a game, quit it!

[@ltmikepick]

Diablo 3 real money auction was the best thing ever happened to diablo 3. The smell of competition for few bucks was in the air. Everyone was playing the game.

[@triangle1332]

I un-ironically agree. Let the players cash out if they are gonna boost or sell items or whatever. Why should Blizzard get all the money?? A system where you convert your currency into theirs but then it's illegal to convert it back is called a scam lol. And that's what WoW is doing.

[@diemyfriend]

this thumbnail looks like when asmon's daddy walked in on him while he was trying out his new dress xD

[@klorox4357]

It's hard to feel like playing a videogame for 14 hours and feeling like you did something meaningful when everything is monetized and I can go work for 2 hours and just buy those other 12 hours back

[@agothxagothx9010]

For wow token one can look at it the other way too, if enjoy 'goldfarming' you can pay for the subscription only with gold. I played 2 years without paying a single dollar in subscription because i like gold farming, crafting and working the auction house:-) And its ok and fine for wow i think(gold farmers selling them anyway) Very different than lootboxes obviously. You can play competitively in wow without token gold, unlike in some other games. Also bought 20 store mounts from farmed gold(mostly trough crafting and auction house)

[@djinn8175]

Someone asked me once.. if you had a wish, what would it be... I said a 36 hour day

[@ForeverFridayVideo]

I remember some anthropologist at my university interviewed a man that lived past 100 (Indian man or something), and they asked him what the secret was - and he said that he always got plenty of sleep. He emphasized napping throughout the day as well. Just thought that was so interesting...but the thing that matters the most is that he never specified WHEN to get that sleep...so we're good boys...just make sure you just sleep all day after playing all night 😂

[@dragonsieu76]

I think it's simply listening to your body. If you're sleepy, sleep or nap. If you're hungry eat something.

[@dragonsieu76]

@@sparkofcuriousity what I mean is some people ignore those alarms. It's common sense to eat and sleep and take care of yourself. But it really is that simple.

[@jonlucas22]

new world gave me that feeling at 3:00 when it first came out

[@wheelsrolling369]

if a game has any monetary systems that are like lost ark we all should consider it a bad game by default regardless of gameplay or these companies will think we like those monetary systems.

[@boutrizehl4209]

I was an adult when I started playing WoW and MMOs, but I still had a lot to learn from these games in terms of skills and mindsets. I am a better person thanks to MMOs, online friendships thus made and guilds. Grinding mindset also DOES translate well IRL.

[@SoniasWay]

“I feel like I’m being attacked” And I can actually relate to you Asmon

[@JM-ym8mm]

You don't look bald tho.

[@fildos4547]

@@JM-ym8mm probably wearing a wig

[@Clu2298]

@@fildos4547 or plot twist..."HOLLY FISH PASTE! IT'S A GUY!"

[@amelio5720]

Amon is GDKP's biggest supporters because he has infinite free viewer gold.

[@andristomsons]

Brooo - those necro egg's was such a pain of farm. I had 6 necrolords doing them. Got my last one on 320 +/- 😭

[@snipeez1ify]

I want them to remove the token, and make mercenary mode legit. Not just a way to make gold for the skilled player either, but there should be a HUGE focus on teaching the people being carried on getting better. I know there would be a lot more to go into it, but I think that’s how we move towards a game that people love investing their time in again.

[@robertg7249]

it's more like the way the game is set up. they need multiple currencies, which can't really be traded. and phase gold out by making it useless. but then another type of RMT might happen.. when ppl are straight up just selling their accounts. it's not a fight you can win really.

[@surgeofgaming6405]

I believe that Ascension is experimenting with a Mercenary Mode.

[@snipeez1ify]

@@surgeofgaming6405 Man, I wanna play Ascension, more and more. It looks like it only ever gets better

[@snipeez1ify]

@@robertg7249 Doesn't mean it's not worth trying. But people still boost characters, even though it takes like no time at all to level new characters now, so I do see your point, and I think a lot of the game does indeed have to change to solve this, but this could be a starting point I would hope.