Twin Peaks - Trying to understand the different timelines

[@phototristan]

All I know is Bob backwards is Bob.

[@tylerskiss]

and Wow Bob Wow is Wow Bob Wow.

[@tsarnicholasii274]

Wow

[@goshgolly8305]

Ass backwards

[@darthmetallus1977]

A palindrome.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

As in a forever continuous loop.

[@Number-hf2rp]

Never in a million years would I have ever believed Lynch and Frost could make something better than Twin Peaks season 1. One of those few works of visual art that is impossible to improve upon. BUT THEY DID IT!!!! Twin Peaks: The Return is absolute genius! After those first two episodes (ended by the Chromatics "Shadow" at the Roadhouse) I wept from being overwhelmed by the intelligence, confidence, and elegance of the episodes. I thought to myself "thank goodness this wasn't just a cash-grab." I have been reading a lot of hate for the new season from fans of the 90's shows, and I must confess to feeling a little bit sorry for them. Because THIS, season 3, THIS IS DAVID LYNCH. Without compromise, without a filter, and without any corporate suits second-guessing him. Season 3 is more Twin Peaks than Twin Peaks. Anyway, on to my actual point: I love your theories, and I love hearing you discuss them. A lot of people don't get why Cooper isn't "Cooper", but it really makes complete sense why in 80% of the season we are dealing with Dougie, and not Dale. You have a very warm and welcoming voice. Personally, I have given up trying to figure out the solutions to the myriad puzzles Lynch has presented us with and simply chosen to go along for the ride. I'm just surrendering my eyes and emotions to him completely and going with whatever he shows me, regardless of how ridiculous it may seem. The long takes and pauses are brilliant and very organic filmmaking, and nothing about them is unnecessary, indulgent, or boring. I consider the random vignettes, though connected to the "big picture", beautiful little slices of life. The Roadhouse performances, for instance. Poor little Ruby, carried away and placed on the floor by the two bikers . . . It's heartwrenching, beautiful stuff. And the scene with the accountant and the Green Tea Latte is priceless. Enchanting, quirky. I love it!! Twin Peaks: The Return contains some of Lynch's most emotional and empathetic work to date.

[@_alex_y.not_]

I think one interesting point regarding dreams and the alternate timelines is that, when waking, people find it difficult to remember what they were dreaming which is just like how, when the timelines change, people find it hard to remember the "unofficial version." I think that when Cooper mentions that we live in a dream that he's not talking about a literal dream but that the timeline they're in is dreamlike and will soon be forgotten.

[@grahamwade5932]

No spoliers but the closing segments of the final dossier do back up what you're saying, to a certain extent

[@mrtnpope]

Now I get the glitching: the windows flickering in the lear jet, the diner, Audrey's situation - all caused by Cooper's disruption of the timeline

[@pinealdreams1064]

Now we know why these things were happening, it makes the whole thing even more ingenious. Seriously, to layer your story like that, based around the rippling time effects, is incredible writing.

[@starbucke]

i spoke with one of the cast at the RR pop up and he straight up told me the flicker is not edited. it's just what happened in the shot and it was kept in

[@reptomicus]

Also the scene with Dougie Coop playing ball with his son when he was partying with the Mitchum brothers.

[@DunetsNM]

Killing Moon also glitching timestamps and punctuation of ALL :) that Mr C. sent to Diane tulpa

[@Gigibaby88]

I'm not convinced the timeline changing has anything to do with Audrey's situation 🤔I've had to rethink my theory about what was going on with her after the Final Dossier came out, but I still think I understand or at least have an idea what she's experiencing & I think it's separate from the timeline change personally, though I'd have to go into a lot more detail to explain how.

[@yours_truly_]

The fact that Cooper and Mike cared to make an improved version of Douglas Jones seem to point that the past wouldn't be erased.

[@STOPSYPHER]

Improved how?

[@yours_truly_]

@@STOPSYPHER Remember the original Douglas Jones? The one who shrinked and disappeared in the waiting room? We know him to be very flawed: lot of gambling, cheated on his wife, trouble with criminals and so on. The improved Douglas Jones I'm referring to is the one who appears at the door in the end, being lovable to his family etc. I know we don't see much of him, but the point is made in his brief appearance.

[@Evan_L]

"Are you still with me on this???" No... *rewinds

[@lowlize]

I agree that the "Lodge timeline" seems separated from "human timelines", and it is a cool and fitting idea that Lodge entities can intervene on human timelines at any point they like.

[@CubbieBlue902]

I think the third timeline is an actual reality created by The Fireman to lure Judy into, but it's also the dream of both Dale and Laura Palmer.

[@rini6]

We know there are at least two timelines. Beyond that it’s hard to speculate and I don’t like to overthink the implications of everything. I simply enjoy the emotional impact and understand the existential yearning we all have to make things better. We are all Cooper, trying to fix things. But there are always new problems when we intervene.

[@Evan_L]

wow, nice

[@grahamwade5932]

I like your interpreation Irene, as valid as any other!

[@DarkAngelEU]

I like it too, it's simple and feels close to what little Lynch tries to explain.

[@interrobangings]

someone buy jack a new spacebar, quick

[@peterwhite7475]

Interesting and helpful. My only tweaks (some of this posted before): the Giant's chess game has a purpose, the confrontation of Laura and Judy (the final scene) as a reversal of the original confrontation of Bob and Laura (which Bob won with Laura's torment and death) and Lynch is more like a painter than a scientist, hence, the blurry images (that is, the difficulty of making sense of it, the inconsistencies, the dreams) are part of the feel he wants (and these draw us to the reality that all of us experience life as having mysterious elements, rather than fully logical explanations).

[@LeChaunce]

One chants out between two worlds.

[@rrobbwilson181]

Need season 4

[@44excalibur]

Fire, chalk with me.

[@alisonhebert6792]

do you know how many years I thought it was "one chance house between two worlds" referring to the black lodge as a weird "chance house"

[@augustinf]

i'm rewatching season 1 & 2.... cause last time i saw them was like 15 years ago. Everything seems so cristal clear so far compared to season 3.... will rewatch fire walk with me too. I just think we need to watch it the way Lynch says... this is not a puzzle with a solution. Lynch and Frost are not using logic, they probably don't even agree with each other on the story.

[@chrisjfox8715]

They might not be using logic but it’s still nonetheless coming from their brain. Lynch is the type of writer to allow his subconscious to truly flow onto the page. I think that everything we se is connected in that sense (I.e., if it feels right to Lynch, then it’s soulfully cohesive).

[@STOPSYPHER]

@@chrisjfox8715 pretty much. lynch doesn’t even know what his stories are about when he writes them.

[@chrisjfox8715]

@@STOPSYPHER i wouldn't go that far. I think he has a fairly solid idea of what he's going for with any particular project. I think he's just more guided by themes, ideas, and character motivations in a symbolic sense than he is any strict plot. I think people worry too much about plot sometimes instead of focusing on the core symbolism at play thematically. Dreams often "don't make sense" but can nonetheless be truthfully insightful to one's mental state. Lynch seems to take pleasure in saying everything he wants to say without saying it, for the audience to come to their own conclusions..yet what he said is nonetheless deliberate.

[@behageli]

The Wow Lynch Wow episodes are almost as good as the show itself. Absolutely love this channel.

[@mikenayers5981]

The book stresses that everything that happened on camera played out the same in both shows with the only exception being Laura is missing, and Leland shot himself a year later. So there would of course be a few discrepancies in the first two seasons along with events in Fire Walk With Me, but the third season remains virtually untouched. Mark Frost even said in a recent interview that Laura was still killed, and wrapped in plastic, and that the events of the first two seasons still had to happen to motivate Cooper to go back and prevent Laura’s death. The new timeline paves over the old, but doesn’t erase it. So maybe that’s why certain supernatural entities and implied psychic characters will remember both versions going forward. Main ones being Sarah/Judy, Cooper and Gordon Cole. Sarah being possessed/hollowed out by Judy is obviously part of both timelines. She reacts to Cooper saving Laura as it would be happening for real time with Cooper. If that part got changed then we shouldn’t have seen a possessed Sarah before Cooper jumped back in time. My guess on Leland/BOB in the new timeline is that BOB abandoned Leland, and left him with the memories of raping Laura for years. He couldn’t live with himself and commits suicide a year later. BOB then goes through the same motions like killing Josie, and luring Earl to the Lodge. That much also remains unchanged. BOB’s mission is to still get Judy to the real world, so he makes a Cooper doppelgänger, takes Windom’s soul and now we have a being made up of the three. He can use Windom’s cunning, and resources, walk freely as an FBI agent, and with the help of BOB and the Woodsmen he would seemingly be super strong and immortal. This would also give him the know how and freedoms to build his criminal empire in the shadows.

[@knightsonofjack]

How could Bob not know he lived in the same house as Judy though?

[@mikenayers5981]

@@knightsonofjackThat didn’t happen until Judy was released from the box, in episode 1.

[@mpetersell]

I think Carrie Page’s parents are Richard and Linda. Cooper and Diane went back in time the night they went into the supernatural realm. The next day they each woke up in different times in the natural realm. Diane as Linda remained in the past to give birth to and raise Carrie. Cooper woke in the present day. That is why the motel had expanded to two floors and his car was updated to a new model. They two birds with one stone were the sex act: Diane exorcising her demons from the abuse she received from bad Coop, and conceiving a replacement for Laura. Perhaps the fireman’s orb contained Carrie not Laura. I believe Laura’s vanishing in the woods was caused by possessed Sarah when she was smashing the picture. The entity inside her was trying to prevent Cooper from saving Laura. Sarah had the frogmoth inside her since childhood but she only became possessed after the supermarket scene. She freaked out when she saw the beef jerky because it was an omen that the woodsmen were coming. By the time Hawk went to check on her at home, she was already possessed. I know all the evidence for this version of events is not clearly there, but I can’t seem to move my head off this no matter what else I read or hear. In any case, I appreciate viewing your interpretations. I don’t always think you are right, but you have made some good observations that have helped me reconcile my thoughts. This show made such an impact on me. I can’t let it go.

[@nettieforce1]

When Sarah screamed: "Get the god damned car!" she was already possessed.

[@jeanbaudrand9969]

It's a moebius infinite loop. I like the fact that the most important explanations are in episode 8, if you rotate 8 it give you the infinite symbol. Lynch probably tried to recreate lost highway loop to the whole universe of twin peaks , so all the cast will never really die, living in this loop of eternity forever...

[@skelovade]

I see it this way, imagine this movie story as a game of chess, the lodge (made of infinite unlocking rooms, where the white lodge is within too) is the board pocket: where the pawns go after “playing”, and the alternate realities are represented by the board itself. Now long story short, windom earle burns after bob got his soul, same as bad coop burns in the end therefore coop and laura suucceed in killing him and live inside the lodge peacefully by taking his place. This board pocket is in control of the reality: the chess board. The movie ends showing laura and coop in control of life events: the dream people live, finally routing the evil out of the lodge, meaning out of the control of this spinning realities: life. They win. They reunite. And judy, the last one standing after bob, is now just a pawn under their control, finally caged and not threating the giant anymore who still acts as a co-creator of the ultimate truth reality.

[@cameronmacrury1822]

I know this comments late but DAMN your great! Serioustly cant imagine watching or reading anything twin peaks related without later seeking out your insight and opinions on it... PLEASE DONT STOP!!!

[@aaronhussey4213]

Dear God.. I'm going to have to watch this again a couple times lol.. I'm with ya, my head is spinning. Awesome stuff!

[@chrisjfox8715]

It’s interesting to think about it all, but a lot of The Return was painful to sit through for me. Too many scenes that dragged out for longer than they needed to. I’m a big David Lynch fan but I needed more momentum - same story but with like 12 episodes instead of 18. Watching Dougherty’s scribble on insurance documents for 5minutes isn’t compelling to me

[@peacocktravels]

Its only by watching your videos that im able to keep my head clear as to what is or has happened!! But, I cannot express enough how happy it makes me that Laura Palmer is still alive, whether its future or whether its past!!

[@Cugelclever]

Great as always, WLW. My opinion is that Lodge entities aren't affected by the timeline changes and can see all of them at once. That's why we hear "Is it future or is it past?" so many times.

[@thatoneoddball2564]

"It looks like we're.. 100 percent certain.. that WE'RE NOT SURE!" Oh Jerry, you nailed it. Rewatching again as yesterday was the 2 year anniversary!

[@Mistermiracle999]

What a fine explanation of this series. I mean I can't pretend to fully comprehend this video or its explanation but I definitely feel like I understand what happened in the series more as a whole. I love it!!! Keep making twin peaks vids you're doing a great job!!!! Thank you!!!!!

[@kenr8556]

Wow dude wow ! While I can't wrap my head around your Lodge chess game I can look back and say " That was one damn fine work of art we were given! Like any work of art, the meaning is in the eye of the beholder. All theories are legitimate and I just love that they are continuing tributes to this Lynch/Frost Masterpiece ! Bravo my friend. Keep the theories coming and itch away !

[@simplysurprising]

season 4 NEEDS to happen

[@benjipkcrew]

a lot of things need to haPPen that Probably never will

[@TheBestCommenterEVER]

no it doesn't need to happen. you people need to have everything chewed out until there is no mystery to anything anymore. can't we just be fucking done?

[@09nob]

He finished it in series 3

[@rickl7024]

It’s good stuff,, go season 4

[@vladanmilovanovic4343]

Cooper's at the sycamore trees. He meets redhead Diane. They cross over but don't become Richard and Linda until the sex magic ritual and only after the hotel room sex does Diane become Linda and Coop is slowly turning into Richard even though he still seems to have some recollection of other timelines. So Coop finds Carrie only after the ritual sex magic act. So there are two crossing overs, the 430 one and the one after Coop and Diane have sex. It's weird but important to note, I think. Great video man. I'm itching for your next one.

[@neoman7479]

yes, the change in hotels in the morning after sex also supports the idea of another crossover.

[@zachofeternity5065]

I wonder if the dimension they went to at the 430 was an intermediary dimension of sorts, similar to how we see the inter-dimensional convenience store hallways displayed. The whole drive after the lightning transition feels strange- Diane sees a double as soon as they stop, cooper is cold, dialogue choppy...everything leading up to the sex feels bizarre. The next day, though still strange, the dimension Richard is in feels more stable. Makes me wonder if the sex ritual ended Coop/Rich’s transit down a ‘hallway’ and he awoke in whatever dimension he was headed towards...

[@DunetsNM]

Vladan Milovanovic their sex is part of the plan to lure Judy into this alternate reality: Judy was attracted to sex of a couple in the glassbox watching room. But this sex is very uncomfortable because Coop's face reminds Diane of her rape by doppelganger so Judy enjoys their pain/garmonbozia and doesn't kill them. However now they all stuck in this reality which is basically destroyed by Laura's scream at the very end - along with Judy, Coop and Laura. It was a suicide mission, part of Fireman's plan, and Coop knew it this is why he's so withdrawn in Part 18 ("Richard and Linda" - "I understand")

[@vladanmilovanovic4343]

DunetsNM Wow, thanks.

[@Gigibaby88]

DunetsNM I actually thought that perhaps Coop WAS Richard (or RichardCoop as I like to call him) in the scene with the Fireman. The way he's speaking, tone and inflection, don't sound or feel to me like "Coop", he sounds more like the version of himself that he becomes when they cross over, more detached as you mentioned & also not as quick. Compare that version of him to the one who wakes up from the coma. Even after being in a coma, when asked if he's awake he quickly replies 100% and goes on that way, he knows exactly what's going on & is moving at lightning speed. The version of him with the Fireman pauses for a long time before asking "it is?" when the Fireman says "it is in our house now". I'm not sure if this is Richard or RichardCoop tbh but I really don't think it's Agent Dale Cooper. He also isn't wearing his FBI pin in the scene, another clue it's not really the Coop we know.

[@benjaminsmythe8967]

Fantastic video as always. I agree with you on the lodge timeline being different to the timelines outside of it. In particular the repeated scenes at the start and end of The Return. I almost feel like Cooper is returned to these moments as he hasn't completed what was/is required to progress and that the final still of he and Laura reveals that the cycle of finding/saving Laura has not been broken - that it may almost be like the infinity symbol; an unbreakable loop. More than that, however, the lodge seems to work not just on a different time line but different way of existing in time. It is clearly not a linear timeline. I can't really articulate any more...I need to re-watch everything, at the moment it's just good to get ideas down and have people like yourself helping us all along. Keep up the great work!

[@AdamLodestone]

It occurs to me to suggest a book to a few folks here who seem intrigued by the multiple timelines and the Lodge, which seems "outside of time" as we know it. "The Education of Oversoul 7". This book has an intelligent message about the idea of non-linear time and incarnation/reincarnation... how we do not exit and enter in a linear fashion... how a soul could be embodied in the 20th century and then the very next incarnation is in the 4th Century somewhere else in the world, and then onto a future time... that what the soul requires in order to evolve is what determines the time and place of birth in the "next" life. The Lodge seems to me to be a lot like the "classrooms" where souls go, in that book, to process what they learned in one lifetime and to prepare for the next. Just a similar theme and concept about time and timelessness.

[@TheBoundBowman]

In my own head canon, the lodges/waiting room and their entities don't have timelines, and exist above the idea of a timeline. Also, Annie from the first timeline contacted Laura before the split, so there was only one timeline at that point. Like the fireman, I think, could easily see all timelines and understand and manipulate them.

[@samanthad9903]

Amazing stuff, love this video. I've just finished reading the final dossier (late I know) and just now catching up on some further Twin Peaks videos I've missed. So glad to re-visit your channel again and see the new work. Thank you.

[@kamealex]

Bob doesn't seem to be time-dependant, but place-dependant, so when he dies, it doesn't matter WHEN or in what timeline this happens, as it just happens. Same as Judy, in my opinion. That's what makes me think that Judy is dead because she was physically present when Laura broke the world at the end of season 3.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

I don't think Judy was destrowed. They move through electricity. Laura was terrified. Mad amount of Garmonbozia. What happens when you get a power surge? Pop! It was the carrier page world getting fried by Judy''s power overload.

[@biancachristie]

First: thank you, as always, for such a lucid and helpful analysis. I especially like your explanation of how the lodge "time" fits with the other timelines. I've always thought that that the lodges exist out of time, which is how/why things can seem to repeat, loop, glitch or otherwise behave in nonlinear ways--that's the effect of the lodges bleeding over into our world, or how things appear to someone who's not a lodge entity: we (through the eyes of characters who are not lodge entities) see its influence as a disruption, because we must exist in and perceive things in time (I hope this makes sense--it makes my brain hurt to think about it). I think this may be why Philip Jeffries, in whatever state he's in now, "sees" and shows Cooper time as an infinity sign; Jeffries is now a sort of Lodge entity, and he doesn't perceive time as linear. Second: Would you consider doing an edition dedicated to the Tremonds/Chalfonts? I know that would entail digging into past seasons and FWWM, but I'm fascinated by them, especially after the ending of the Return, and I'm itching to know more. Thanks again!

[@timothyferlito3673]

Dude...thank you. You have no idea how much your videos have helped me.

[@Marcel_Audubon]

Timeline1, Timeline 2 and Timeline 3 ALL leave me itchin' for a Season 4

[@heidismutti]

Maybe not strictly a TIMELINE, but a whole universe. Deer Meadow, Twin Peaks, Odessa (possibly Buenos Aires, etc.). They're all the story of the little girl who lived down the lane. Dark, darker, darkest. Remember when Briggs says something about how he has been places. Carl says something like that, too, and that he prefers to stay where he is. Fat Trout is a portal. The Dutchman is a portal. I think they're portals to other universes and some people like Carl, Briggs, and Chalfont, etc. can go between them with their own identities.

[@francoisbouvier2088]

Holy Cow Batman What an analysis ! I loved it... Gonna have to digest this and rewatch many times with a note pad and the pause button. Thanks for sharing.

[@alisonhebert6792]

Hi there, I'm super late to this party. I've loved Twin Peaks for over 25 years, but when The Return came out I'd been freshly diagnosed with MS and was in grad school to boot, was just a really crazy time in my life and not the time for thinky puzzle box interpretive art television. I finally got back to it about a month ago, watching it all from the beginning and FINALLY, after close to three decades, getting back to my man Agent Cooper who's been stuck in that wretched Black Lodge in my mind since the '90s! I haven't gone through all your videos yet, but I have watched a LOT of Twin Peaks theory videos on youtube and read a LOT of Twin Peaks theory in the past month and let me say I've enjoyed yours the most -- you don't try to preach to anyone, you don't try to act like you have all the answers, you're not insulting me at my big age with gimmicks and skits. What you are providing me is really interesting insights and observations and I have thoroughly enjoyed them. One of the wonderful things about Lynch's work is how successful it is as interpretive art. I see so much value in so many disparate theories and I have plucked pieces from so many people's theories that I like to cobble together my own, and I really have enjoyed a lot of your insights. I will definitely have to give your Sopranos videos a shot. My roommates have never seen that in full, we are watching it from the beginning. Cheers and thanks for the content!

[@vidablue48]

This analysis is money. A lot of twin peaks fans will say it is not necessary to break down the timelines, just focus on the emotional value. Not me.. understanding how the pieces fit together makes the entire saga more haunting and impactful. The show seems to have the same complexity and intricacy as our natural world. The same entropy. "What year is this?" still can't explain that.

[@DethronerX]

Very important discussion and loved watching this journey of exploring timelines. Carrie Paige's being the the third one makes sense. My take on this is, that Cooper created the alternate timeline after killing Bob, so what we saw before (previous seasons at least) couldn't have had the alternate going along parallel with it, until Cooper traveled from 2017 to the past to create it. This implies that if we time-travel now, we can enter the alternate Missing Laura timeline, but if we had tried it in the 90s, it never existed. Unless, at that time, David Lynch and Frost had already thought of it and these events, as we couldn't see Cooper scaring Laura, but we do see her getting scared. We don't know what Lynch had in mind at that time, or if he had shot any character, if not Cooper.

[@schneblen]

I also think Mike asking cooper if it’s future or past, is legit a question to cooper, where coop saves Laura and goes back to the red room, it’s mike asking him if it’s the future for coop or the past, to get s gauge on where to send him now? Maybe?

[@_7thSage-9405]

Great job! Your explanation of the different timelines, and where they converge, is very well done. Or, at the very least, you explained it as best as one can haha 😂 'Twin Peaks' forever!

[@iansmith8783]

Gordon cole has a dream about Monica bellucci who is a real person in our world. Gordon cole is David lynch’s avatar in the story he created. Dale tries to leave the black lodge through a socket marked “3” in the third episode but ends up leaving through “15” the episode he is fully restored to his original personality. Dale has become aware that he is a character in a story?

[@operadood]

Oh wow. What if the person who came out of the socket in 3 was merely Cooper's body? And the entire purple room sequence lasts the entire stretch from 3-15, at which point Cooper travels down the knife into Dougie's body?

[@iansmith8783]

@@operadood it does seem like he’s operating on muscle memory alone while he’s living as “Dougie”, impressions that have been left on his nervous system from his previous life, while his consciousness will not return until episode 15.

[@SRMonster]

I keep going back to the scenes right before Cooper is dropped into non-existence. Mike is saying “Something is wrong” and one of the rooms Cooper enters is blurry...

[@deliquescencemusic]

I’ve always seen it this way; Bob needed a vessel, and although using humans was fun, he had bigger plans, and when the one man who “had the co ordinates” came along, he knew which doppelgänger he needed. Especially once he couldn’t have Laura. Bob wanted Judy, and Mr C wanted out so he could have everything he wanted (sex, money etc). Two birds, one stone, so to speak. If that all makes sense....

[@KarahKay]

I adore your videos and your opinions to Twin Peaks.

[@autodidacticprofessor869]

It's possible that Bob left Leland for good in the altered timeline, when Laura was pronounced missing and simply became one with the Doppelganger when it happened. Leland could have killed himself, on his own accord, failing to come to grips with what Bob made him do and the weight of his missing daughter, etc. Just a thought. I do think it's possible that, because the Lodges aren't constrained by time or space and can manipulate it at will, it may be the case that destroying Bob in any timeline, kills him in all timelines. Lodge entities may have to be tethered to some absolute reality, to be able to travel and back and forth in time and from body to body, in the case of Bob. I think he's more than capable of leaving his host and possibly being in other host "vehicles" when the need arises to kill or feed off of suffering. How did Bob know about Cooper's incident in Pittsburgh? Why was Cooper whistling the same tune as Leland when he was swerving around in his car with Maddie in the trunk? Bob and Cooper seem to have an odd connection. The fact that Annie was sent back in time and Cooper was in the Red Room in a dream (which seem to be as real as 'reality' in Twin Peaks) that Laura had, well before Cooper entered the curtains to find Annie, tells us that Annie might actually have been a Lodge entity herself and Cooper may have already had a Doppelganger waiting for him, Bob-primed, in the Lodge. That's something I've considered. The Cooper who tells Laura not to take the ring, might have been Mr. C, because is she didn't put on the ring in the train car, Bob surely would have possessed her fully. Otherwise, it seems strange that MIKE, how wants Bob dead, would go out of his way to give her the ring. Anyway, as far as the timelines go, you're right on. Andy seeing the images he did, the way they were presented is interesting. The black and white images seem to be set in stone and constants. The color images indicate images that only exist in the original timeline and could be altered...and the #6 pole alternate between color and black and white. Richard Cooper sees the pole at Carrie's house, which means we probably are not going to see a victorious ending. So that explains the loop back to Laura whispering.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Both dale and leland had Bob approach them as children.

[@John1_14]

Mind bending stuff! Awesome channel and thanks for reminding me just how amazing Lynch, Frost and Twin Peaks really are!

[@TheRealLorenzoRoss]

Great job, I think you're on to something with the 3 timeline theory. The Carrie Page timeline allows for so many possibilities like new characters or different fates for old characters. You can tell I'm holding out hope for a fourth season.

[@EnigmaVocals]

A new reality would be saved Laura Palmer. But saved Laura is immediately grabbed into another dimension, where she is Carrie. Looking forward for season 4.

[@happyclam1266]

I just love the way you edit and remix the clips and images to go with your voiceovers. Beautiful!

[@jesselaplante1040]

You're absolutely right, the more I try to wrap.my.mind around what's happened the more lost I become. The more answers we get the more questions arise. And I love it. The whole point of the original Twin Peaks was to never satisfy that itch; the mystery of who killed Laura Palmer. The studio forced lynch and frost to write a closer and it took away a vital part of the show, just as the supernatural stuff with the lodges and fireman start being explained. Lol just as it starts to go downhill and lose its audience it becomes more interesting in an x files way. I really wish Lynch was able to have his way and do the show how he intended originally. Still love it though. Love things that really make you think and break them down.

[@davidlogan8905]

About that hand-waving thing that Cooper does while in the Red Room... this seems to be a feature I haven't heard or seen anyone mention. That sort of stuff happened in the original Twin Peaks. I can distinctly remember Hawk and/or Harry Truman shaking while their hand is on the window blinds (in the Sheriff station). It also happens to Major Briggs and I'm sure a few others.

[@davidlogan8905]

Actually it's Cooper whose hand is shaking at the blinds. Season 2 Episode 20.

[@jamesfrancis7464]

“The less I know, the more I love it.” This is what makes Twin Peaks so awesome and fun.

[@theGreaterGood92]

i think the 'funny thing' coop does with his hand when he leaves the red room for the 'last' time is extremely significant because every time he left before he was accompanied by MIKE. Seems to me like this is the first time he actually had a clear purpose of what he has to do. His 'aha' to whatever Laura whispered seemed like some sort of a painful acceptance. As if he knew that what he has to do is horryfing but none the less necessary. I don't know. So far I've been supporting two theories - one that Coop is acting as Fireman tells him to, remembers 430, Richard and Linda and his mission, he successfully brings Carrie to Palmer house and then is baffled and lost. Then Laura screams remembering her identity clearly destroying Judy's dream/pocket dimension. Second theory is based on FBI pins appearing and disappearing which might signify the different timelines and loops. Basically 'pinned' Coop fucks up by bringing Carrie to Palmer house and Judy. Next Coop - unpinned is the one we see as Dougie throughout the series, he comes from the alternate timeline. He does the very same thing pinned Coop does BUT when the superimposed head appears and the reality goes dark in the sheriff's station, Coop is summoned before the Fireman - the first scene of the show is also chronologically the last. Fireman reminds Coop about 430, Richard and Linda preventing another loop to happen. Whatever this Cooper afterwards does is unknown. That being said, putting both of these theories aside - I really like your take of B&W scenes to be in the past. Fireman creates Laura and summons her guardian angel - Cooper, then he says 'you are far away' because Dale's part in the story is yet to begin. Chess game. What's the outcome of Fireman's plan then? Does he succeed then through Coop in part 18? Damn, that's itchy

[@WowLynchWow]

Good stuff!

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Perhaps, him doing that with his hand is because it's Mike guiding him out. Remember that he doesn't want laura to take the ring. Because he accepted a ring from the giant. "His ring" that he got as a child. It was a lodge ring. He was given it back when he figured out the Bob lea land connection. Mike is the arm that guides people out. Perhaps the scene of Mike and Bob walking out together in the (extended) FWWM scene is a Mike leading Mr c out of the lodge. It happens after he says FWWM in the store. Bob has "the fury of my own momentum". That is Mr. C acting on his own accord trying to stay out of the lodge. The Doppelganger defeats dale after Mike says FWWM in S2. He chants "out" which is FWWM. That's your only "chance" out of one world and into the next. Since he accepted a ring which I believe to be the giant, who is "1 and the same" as Mike (s2 finale) he is also a familiar of mike. Or maybe Mike and Bob are just the different intention's of "the Fire". Hence fire walk with me. Dale was confronted, lost to his dark self, and the "fire" (power) that was used was dark malicious corrupting power.

[@andrewwestwater7741]

Thanks again, another damn fine video.. Confusion reigns regarding the timelines, and I think you've done a heck of a job trying to explain the almost unexplainable.. I'm not sure of much, but I know I'm also itching for season 4, please! ❤️🏔️🏔️☕🦉🔥🔫😎♥️

[@daregorton8359]

I'm still trying to figure this show out! I wish we'd seen more of the alternate timeline. I wonder if anyone will ever dare re-edit to match up the timelines. I love your videos. I looked forward to them every week during the run of the show. Thanks!

[@nathanlipp9871]

You should really consider covering more shows like the new season of True Detective. Your analysis is amazing and you have a great voice for it. Great job! Keep up the great work!

[@batmanslegion]

I really think there will be another season. All this talk with Cole remembering the unofficial version makes me think he will be a big factor between the two timelines

[@massagegenie9236]

I think so too, season 3 ended up with way too many mysteries, season 2 was way more definitive, atleast we knew the ground we stood on with that one.

[@dannyhicks8653]

I hope so,kind of,but its gotta happen within the next 3 years if not it probably never will,already lost albert in real life sadly,and Lynch is no spring chicken himself,so part of me really hopes they make a season 4,but at the same time it may be overkill.to me season 3 was like Phantasm 4, I hoped for a phantasm 5...after 20 years we got one but it was garbage mostly because the main guy didnt write it.....buit the first 4 were masterpieces, same with Twin peaks season 1 and 2 made way more sense but still has sci fi/mystery elements.season 3 was insane but in a good way, i am totally down for a part 4 but il understand if he doesnt do it,but if he decides to it really needs to be sooner then later.

[@abigaileldritch]

Just like a mosquito bite...can't stop itching, nor do I want to :)

[@Talalay99]

Is it safe to assume Maddie is alive and well?

[@pinealdreams1064]

With BOB, I'm really confused. On one hand, as an entity that moves beyond time and space, and can, presumably, appear on any timeline (like Joudy, MIKE or The Fireman), surely if he's destroyed on any timeline he's destroyed for good? However, if BOB was destroyed for good...why did Cooper bother going back to save Laura? Unless Leland would have killed her regardless of BOB's involvement? I only say that because Lynch is on record saying he's annoyed that Leland was presented as a good character, whereas he always saw he and BOB's relationship being more of a mutual thing... That's the part I can't figure out. I'm also still convinced Sarah would have gone that way on either timeline, personally.

[@robertbusek30]

Regarding Leland's culpability in Laura's death, I see it like BOB was corrupting Leland from within through his repeated possessions. After all, we have seen that the hosts of Lodge spirits tend to have a number of physical and mental issues (Senor Droolcup, anyone?). In FWWM, Leland himself reveals that he pursued Teresa Banks because of her resemblance to Laura. So, even though it was BOB who raped Laura, Leland was present enough in those times to be negatively affected by it as well. In the end, BOB was "drinking" from two sources of garmonbozia: Laura and Leland.

[@pinealdreams1064]

I'd agree with that. But I definitely think it was more symbiotic than BOB merely leaching. I think BOB picked Leland specifically. He even said, upon parting 'You've been a good host.' This suggests to me he picks people who already have an underlying darkness - Or, as you put it, a mental health issue - and amplifies that beyond the limits of inhibition. I think of BOB as akin to permanent alcohol, if that makes sense? Would also suit the drugs motif throughout Peaks. Also, by this point, Leland/BOB has already murdered Theresa Banks...so maybe Leland would have murdered Laura regardless? Interesting to discuss though, and you make some great points.

[@robertbusek30]

Pineal Dreams -- All this is certainly possible. However, I think the line you cite is "You've been a good vessel," which to me implies a certain lack of volition. Also, remember that MIKE describes himself and BOB as being parasites, not symbiotes. In the end, I guess I just want Leland to experience some kind of redemption, which is what seems to happen in his death scene.

[@AdamLodestone]

Great point! And if Leland was possessed from the time that he was young, he may not be able to easily distinguish between his own self and Bob, and we may not be able to, either.

[@robertbusek30]

@Adam L. -- Which is why it would have been very cool to see Ray Wise play the new BOB in "The Return." Alas, it did not happen.

[@gstueve]

Not sure if this was mentioned before but maybe each time Laura kept disappearing from Cooper’s hand means she has turn up missing in the original timeline.

[@tokyogardenbeat9292]

The symbol for Judy, as shown by Jeffries, seems to show a timeline with a box in the middle. This box maybe represents the "black box" of the subconscious.

[@dordogne]

Time for the Lodges is like a Mobius Strip. You keep traveling in one direction, but you eventually get back where you started. And, when you reach the same point again, you are on the other side of the strip. So, that is why we keep seeing things repeat but the orientation is different. You can't orient a point on the mobius strip to a point outside the strip.

[@carolwatt3080]

It’s all so brilliant and intense. Thank you for this excellent theory, it’s helped me reconsolidate. For now at least.

[@outlaw451]

I think we can safely say for certain that no mater how any time lines there are or aren't, the Lodges/red room a singular and constant across them. It can probably be effect by all/any of them but they will persist as does human nature.

[@RobShort68]

What if you envision the timeline not as a funnel-shaped spiral, larger at one end than the other, but as the inside of a straight cylinder - a spiral staircase ascending up (or descending down) the inside? If you take the "Human" timeline as the staircase, it loops back on itself (either above or below itself) as it continues up (or down) the cylinder interior. And if the Lodge timeline is the interior surface of the cylinder, drawing a straight line from the top of the cylinder to the bottom intersects the "Human" timeline at at multiple points (both future and past, depending on your point of view). You could even take a single point on the Human timeline (the spiral staircase), move slightly left or right along the curved cylinder interior (in the Lodge timeframe) and start another spiral staircase - another Human timeline that will run parallel to the original. In fact, viewing it this way, you could create as many separate parallel Human timelines as you wanted, all running separately from (while parallel to) one another, but still connected by their origin point (which split off from the original Human spiral timeline or one of the alternates).

[@daviddavis2030]

Rob Short -almost like double helix or dna

[@RobShort68]

Actually, a DNA double-helix would give the impression of two opposite and complete Human timelines running in parallel, rather than one with others branching from it. Although DNA is what originally inspired the idea - my original thought *was* a DNA double-helix, with the Human timeline being one strand and the Lodge timeline(s?) being the other. But this would set both running sequentially and in parallel to each other - and time in the either Lodge seems anything but sequential. It seems more that that the Lodge reference-frame (and however time works in it) is completely independent of and separate from the Human timeline, but that the Lodge can intersect the Human timeline whenever and wherever it wants to. Almost like it completely encompasses or surrounds the Human timeline from all sides.

[@shoddyworkmanship4934]

Good video! I was worried you'd try to oversimplify the story-line into something more conventional; but you did a good job pointing out the evidence and different possibilities. I never really worry about the meaning or plot of entertainment too much - I kind of feel like the style is the content. But, it's exactly as you say, "It's some damn fine itching, and I can't stop scratching." Now we just have to hope for a season 4! If not, I hope David Lynch still returns to directing, he's still got a master's touch.

[@Karma20XX]

I think the "Carrie Page" timeline is separate from the altered timeline. I've been calling it the "doppleganger world", which I think might have existed in tandem with the normal world for a long time.

[@doug.mitchell.106ID]

Based on the characters that appear there, discussions of the "Dweller on the Threshold" and Lynch's own interview comments, it seems fairly clear that the "Red Room" is NOT the Black Lodge. It's the "waiting room", through which one can pass to either the Black or White Lodge. This makes the most sense, and syncs with the Giant/Fireman appearing there, as well as Laura being lifted away by the angel during FWwM. The actual lodges weren't seen until S.3, as the Fireman's lodgings visited by Andy, and the "apartment" above the Convenience Store -- aka The Dutchman.

[@AdamLodestone]

I love your commentary and musings and the conversations that take place here, but I swear, if we had a drinking game where we took a shot every time the word "timeline" is spoken in these videos, we'd be hospitalized with alcohol poisoning!! :) ~~ In all seriousness, I keep coming back to this video because I am still trying to make sense (to my own sense of satisfaction) of the (here it comes) various timelines or dimensions. Even while knowing that Lynch has zero interest in clarifying much, because he wants the audience to come to their own conclusions (or remain in the mystery, as it were). I feel like I need to draw a big map on my wall to build out maps of relationships and events and permutations. Such a wonderful immersion into the strange universe of TP. Thanks for the time and energy you put into these videos and for providing a place for us to throw ideas around. I rarely feel more energized by engagement online but this is one of the spaces where I do come away from conversations here feeling inspired and restored.

[@anthonybilello3160]

That is a damn fine breakdown! -Love always, Richard

[@davidh1790]

You get me every time, deep thinking.. Maybe some clues... ARM PIT RASH

[@AdamLodestone]

Did anyone else think: radiation poisoning? I am not sure why I think that... but when there is some mention of others having the rash, during the conversation at the roadhouse... my mind went there.

[@shaft9000]

Two major pre-existing references to what's happening with the split timelines are: a) 12 RAINBOW TROUT and b) "10 is The # of Completion" A clue: both #s refer to _episodes_ of a certain season. The first is a set of them, the other is to a single specific one. Another clue: "Gotta Light?" is what Dick utters just before his cigarette triggers the sprinklers in the sheriffs' station, 'triggering' Leland's commission of suicide. Have fun chasing where this duality-recognition leads; you can go on and on with the very many doppelganger-like callbacks ('"...The King and I" is another, among >10 more) that occur in two seasons 25 yrs apart. 'Beyond Life and Death' is brimming with still more clues. It is a real mind-phuck, and something I'd yet to notice anyone else but SpaceCadet talk about.

[@davegrega7681]

Amazing as always! What I want to know is....what the giant/fireman meant by "it is in our house now" in episode 1 season 3

[@daviddavis2030]

Dave Grega --- at first I thought he may have been referring to the "caged" mr c in the room with the giant and the head of major briggs but after seeing the end it seems that the fireman could have meant judy being in the palmer house. potentially.

[@triplucid3563]

I was born February 8th 1989 so i'm happy to say i'm part of the alternate timeline lol

[@darthmetallus1977]

The year I started high school. I used to watch bits of the original with friends but didn't really pay much attention to it. I'm sad to say it took me a few years before I properly paid attention to it. I watched Fire Walk With Me maybe a year after it came out & I delved into the whole thing. No regrets.

[@stephaniemc9948]

In 1989 I was in my senior year of high school. I had seen a few episodes back in 1990 because I had a professor that was obsessed with the show. I liked it but didn’t really become all that intrigued with it then. I started watching about 5 years ago and got hooked.

[@DunetsNM]

There's a great theory that fits nice into yours. Alternate reality where Carrie Page lived is a trap arranged by Giant/Fireman to lure Judy into - not by Judy to steal Laura! So Laura was indeed ripped away from both timelines into that "pocket reality" by White Lodge not Judy and that's why Judy/Sarah so pissed off. Laura/Carrie just stays there until Coop and Diane lure Judy into that pocket reality by having weird sex which reminds Diane of being raped by Coop's doppelganger so she releases enough garmonbozia (pain and sorrow) to attract Judy. Coop/Richard knows he's on suicide mission (Giant told him "Richard and Linda" and Coop understood! and "it can't be said aloud now" so Judy doesn't understand the plan). Pocket reality will explode and kill everyone in it when Coop brings Laura to Judy and he knows it so this is why he's so withdrawn and doesn't care about dead guy etc. They eventually succeeded: Laura remembered everything so "garmonbozia bomb" inside of her explodes as well as electricity in palmers house and basically everything goes into non-existence. Final credits with picture of Laura whispering to Coop is just an epitaphy to them. What she was whispering we can only guess but maybe it's something like "You killed me" - after all he looked very scared and this is what he told about his first lodge dream back in Season 1: Laura told me who killed her.

[@Galaxystargirlxbox]

DunetsNM I like that theory!!

[@WestonPedestrian]

Even further...that pocket reality might me our real world.

[@schneblen]

What I think about the lodges and timelines, with the exception to part 8, exists outside of all of these timelines. Unless they go into them, ie judy and bob, the lodges have their own time that seems to be pretty linear despite all the split timelines.

[@schneblen]

Also, I think that when Freddy kills bob he dies in every time line. It would explain why Leland killed himself, he didn’t have bob he just was a grieving father. Bob no longer exists in all of earths timelines.

[@secretsunofficial]

I think the timeline splits ALL THE TIME. Maybe indicated by "the sound". We just follow a couple of the timelines that exist in parallell. In the black and white lodge, time does not exist at all.

[@TillTheLightTakesUs]

I think Coop's forever stuck in time loop.

[@mynameisjonboy]

I believe that there are several dimensions in the Twin Peaks universe, and they run the spectrum of proximity to the real world. The furthest away from our reality is the show Invitation to Love, the show that Twin Peaks characters watch. The next dimension includes Twin Peaks, and it’s the one we’ve been most familiar with. The next dimension is an overlap between Twin Peaks and the real world. This is where some super cool 4th wall breaking takes place. You’ve got Twin Peaks characters with new names, Gordon Cole looking at his own (or should I say David Lynch’s own) art gallery in the real world next to the scene’s filming location. You’ve also got the real-life current owner of the Palmer house playing a character with a traditional Twin Peaks name. And I’m not even including the Black Lodge or any of the other dimensions or dimensional pockets we’ve seen. But you have to let it sink in first about the different types of dimensions before trying to organize thoughts related to timelines and changes in timelines. The Twin Peaks dimension has experienced at least two timelines, with the split happening in 1989 when Laura was bodily transported to Odessa, TX-but within the context of the half-and-half Twin Peaks/Real World dimension. In other words, Laura didn’t travel through time (Mark Frost has already confirmed that at the end of The Return only one character time travels-and that’s Cooper); instead, she was bodily transported from the 1989 Twin Peaks dimension into the 1989 half-and-half dimension. Her identity was changed to Carrie Page, she forgot her existence as Laura Palmer, and she lives in that separate dimension (which Cooper and Diane access at the 430th mile) for the next 25+ years.

[@squamish4244]

The events end with Laura's scream. The last shot, in the Black Lodge, is a callback, it doesn't indicate where they are.

[@YeamanME]

WLW, I think you have taken the right path by attempting to breakdown TW3 into potential alternate timelines. Only by doing so, using the information provided in the show and The Final Dossier as well as the multi-universe information theory rules for what can and cannot cross timelines, can you make some sense of the Finale. Your theory of allowing "Red Room" four dimensional chess although not kosher with these rules does allow one to attempt to make sense of it all, however only at the cost of quantum multi-verse logic. This may be required in the end to fit it all together. Thanks for your efforts. Michael P.S. Perhaps the Cooper "time-loops" you refer to are merely his ongoing efforts to close-out rescues of Laura in each of the parallel timelines.

[@lucassiccardi8764]

Focusing only on "timelines" doesn't represent correctly the analogic hierarchy (a thing/person in a dream symbolizes something else in the wake world): as Laura didn't die, everything we saw in the series, including the Carrie Page "timeline", is actually a dream, Laura's dream. The owls are not what they seem: yes, the owl symbol is actually the alarm clock symbol, that Laura forgot to activate. Coop was just a made-up character in a dream, and as soon as Laura is awaken by Sarah he "doesn't exist anymore, at least not in the usual sense".

[@lanmola]

wait, isn’t the mother that coughed up BOB actually Judy?

[@agentargent5127]

I don't know if I see it so much as two separate entities - bob and/or evil coop, but rather it is about how the evil of Bob effects someone. I know in Leland's case it definitely comes off as a type of possession type thing, but I still kinda lean toward thinking of Bob as more of a sort of force, the way badness (in opposition to goodness) can posses people and thus embody that force.

[@whatinterestsst7548]

I never noticed that DoppelDale used Windom Earl’s communication briefcase! That was totally lost on me! 😳

[@LinkyTea]

i know it's not the same actor, but i like to think the "truck you" guy is leo in the alternate timeline. since leo drove was a trucker and just was not a good person.

[@neoman7479]

awesome! thanks for all your TP vids.

[@raswartz]

Good summary. You did gloss over the Cooper-Diane and Richard-Linda double crossover. There is one crossover when they reach the power lines at mile 430, but there is a second crossover in the hotel at night after they have sex. Carrie Page is in the reality that Cooper woke up in as Richard (your red timeline). We don't know where Laura/Carrie would be in the reality of the motel that Cooper and Diane checked in to the night before.

[@georgieramone]

Dammit! I need to read the Final Dossier already so I can watch more of your videos. I'm laggin'.

[@CubbieBlue902]

After "The Final Dossier," do you have have any new ideas regarding Phillip Jeffries and the entire timeline situation?

[@__hjg__2123]

still not convinced that the red room is the black lodge

[@jenesisexodus791]

I lived on Judy Circle when my mom introduced Twin Peaks to me I was 16 and pregnant. Laura was dead at 17 years old.

[@EtalonBeats]

"Don't search for all the answers at once! A path is formed by laying one stone at a time." - The Giant/Fireman I think Cooper's soul is living through this dream numerous times solving this puzzle by getting one step closer to completion each time, failing again and again, starting over this 20+ years nightmare again and again, UNTIL he lays every stone. I think we don't see how exactly he solves it, we only see his struggle, BUT we do see the resolution: In season 3 episode 2, after the Laura scream we see the curtains disappearing (no more maze for Cooper) then we see a White Horse (indicating Cooper has finally defeated this extreme negative force, Judy, by sending it back to the darkness, even the camera moves into darkness). Currently I think thats the END of this whole mistery, but Lynch and Frost messed with us and threw us right back into the "yet-to-be-solved" nightmare. and we hear Mike asking "Is it Future or is it Past". One thing im curious about is what is the missing word in the Linda letter in the last episode. He skips a word when reading it aloud. When he picks up the letter you can see that there is a word, but he mumbles when he gets at that part of the letter. I couldn't read it maybe we have to wait for a blu-ray release to see it clearly. Any thoughts?

[@Tapani1979]

I think you are definetly on a right track! This is so wonderful and strange...

[@dam4070]

Here's something that has me stumped, when and which timeline does the ending of Fire Walk With Me take place?

[@motility1969]

Holy shit! (lol) You are a genius! I'll need to watch this a few more times to "get it," I'm sure... but much appreciation. I always enjoy your videos.

[@LichKingAzerak]

I think knowing about the paradoxes it is safe to say in all realities what is probably being whispered is that her death is inevitable but that's just my interpretation and will probably never be answered because sometimes a lack of exposition is better than exposition.

[@georgieramone]

In the book theresa mention of a creature named Beezlebub. Is this BOB (like BeezleBOB)? Its described as the male counterpart to Judy. Does this explain BOBs motivation to go to Sara (aka Judys) house to join forces and destroy the world?

[@simonliubinas6152]

I’m puzzled by a few inconsistencies. In the “Final Dossier” it’s mentioned that Gordon and Cooper (but not Dianne) go to the basement of the Great Northern. Is Agent Preston just confused? When Cooper hears the “Fire Walk With Me” chant, it is spoken forwards, not in backwards “Lodge Talk”, implying that this is Phillip Gerard, not Mike (I’m unsure of the significance of this). Also, when Naido transforms to Dianne, I’m certain that her pyjamas change (look carefully). Is this just a costume continuity error, or does it represent more timeline trickery (akin to Tulpa-Dianne’s changing clothes and finger nail colours, and the changing punctuation in the SMS to Bad Cooper)?

[@WowLynchWow]

I also took notice of the inconsistencies with Diane not being mentioned before Coop disappears for the 2nd time. The whole description of Diane's 'appearance' suggest (as I recall) that Naido was never there, and never transformed into Diane. So maybe there is something to the pajamas changing. I'd be a little surprised if a detail like that was the result of a continuity error.