WP Youth Wing Forum: Insights and Advice for First-Time Voters with Sylvia Lim and Jamus Lim

[@LonganLee]

How the young and old can hold the PAP accountable is : 1. When there is Policy failure, implementation failure, fiascos, beware that there is a critical mass of IB or apologists defending jealously the status quo. Some of them may typically resort to sugar-coating the failures by saying something like , "aiya, this is Bo Bian one. Its life". Dont fall for their trick. Or "You go and do the policy lah, if you think you are better!!" Dont fall for this trick. The leaders are paid insanely high salaries unlike all the many countries in the world. If they cannot deliver, they are overpaid. They deserve to be scolded. Else get out of the hot kitchen! Or "Aiya, singapore very good already, look at Malaysia etc". Dont fall for this trick. How so? See, the world highest paid must not find excuses. More importantly, SG must not be compared with other countries because all the fundamental parameters are different. So there can be no fair comparison especially if cherry picking things to compare. More importantly, I DARE SAY, the Only fair way to compare is apple-to-apple comparison by comparing SG in the past GE with the SG Today. Were there: 1. Moral transgressions by then Speaker of the house with a then pap MP? 2. $3B filth money laundering? So long to detect? There is no way to prove this is all the filth that exist in spore 3. Corruption cases 4. Cases of perceived conflict of interest but i dont mean the ridout.🤭 5. Cannot even answer a simple question of "Is there Gerrymandering in singapore?" 6. Affordable Public Housing over $1m++ 7. Claims of GDP are not independently audited by non establishment people. So you believe or dont believe?

[@horologyenthusiast8523]

Love this

[@nicholasgoh3526]

- if you are not happy, you can migrate - if you are not happy, why don’t you return all the vouchers and money government has given you - opposition also will be the same one lah once they take over the government - PAP will sure win one lah so why bother

[@LonganLee]

@@nicholasgoh3526 point by point rebuttal to your comments void of wisdom and full of bigotry , most entertaining: 1. Ask me to Migrate if I not Happy? Who are you? I educate you here that neither you nor your parents have the right to ask me to leave my country. Why should I leave when I have the right to vote against your gov as bestowed by the singapore Constitution? Do you understand what is the Constitution? You should say, IF NOT HAPPY VOTE THEM OUT! Understand?? Let me throw the question back to you. WHY Not You ask your govt to change the Constitution to Remove singaporeans the right to disapprove any gov policy? If you can do that, you need not be Unhappy with me. So , who is Not Happy? See, IBs like you are so low class its amuzing and entertaining . 2. If Not Happy I must return the CDC vouchers? Who are you? You have no right to do this. CDC is funded by tax payers. Not you and neither it belongs to your master. So, what nonsense are you spouting which is nothing but low EQ Bigotry? 3. Opposition will be the same if take over? This is such a shallow comment. You are implying the current gov is doing something wrong now? And a new gov will do the same? Who are you to make this claim? What you believe is what you believe. Others can believe other things. The fact that these are not proven to be true proves my point. Regardless, who voters vote is none of your business. This kind of comment pls stop as you are making a fool of yourself only. Don't make IBs look goofier than they already are. 4. There will be no change? The fact remains that you need to ban elections by changing the Constitution if you don't want Change. You need to ask your master to help you. I hope you can comment better . Your bigoted anti-democracy thinking is not satisfactory. Very poor. You need to be more bigoted to impress anyone.

[@LonganLee]

​​​​​​​@@nicholasgoh3526Every point I rebut you: 1. Tell me to Leave SG if I Not Happy? Your comment is so weak. I can also say, Not Happy with my Not Happy? Migrate lah. But I won't because I respect democracy which is if Not Happy, Vote Opposition a seat to send them a signal to pressure them to make you Happier. Also, you demonstrated not respecting and not complying with democratic values by telling people to leave. You don't even have any right to do so. The Constitution grants us the power to Vote Opposition. Why should I leave? Why not you say you leave if not happy to see me? See, totally your comment is so weak and debunked. 2. Not Happy return CDC vouchers? Who are you? You have no right in the first place to say that. CDC money does not belong to you nor ruling party which just happens to be the gov now. They are not given power to be eternally the gov. If the CDC money does not belong to you nor the ruling party, what right does anyone have to ask what you asked? I pay GST too you know? See, your comment is so weak and debunked. 3. Opposition if win WILL BE the same? Hey, all roads lead to Rome. Your weak thinking concluded before anything is done. The pap ways are not the only way to run SG . There are many better ways unknown to your shallow thinking mind. 4. Opposition won't win? How is that your business? Who cares what you think? Every additional seat cut from PAP is a win for the people as this will force them to serve us better. We just need to gradually kick them out. No need big bang. Last but not least, I will debunk everything you have to say now till eternity with this: When we the People are Not Happy with the gov, WE Vote Them Out instead of leave the country. This is your birth right. There are plenty of capable people to form a new Gov. The Constitution empowers us voters to vote them out. If you Not Happy, you need not tell me to leave, you need to ask your master to change the Constitution and Ban the right to Vote them out. To do this, you/your master can run for election

[@1965Singaporean]

😂😂😂 I seriously not happy with PAP, always voted for WP. But this election I will vote other opposition or PAP! WP have gone backwards! Instead of challenging to be the government, WP just want more seat. Knn WP should know, no power as government cannot access for sensitive information. Without these information how to help Singaporeans. WP KPKB pap policy is bad, them WP should go fight to get the power be the government and change the policy and implement WP policy which is good. Knn WP go eat sai except LTK!

[@nicholasgoh3526]

It will be interesting to see whether the young voters will walk the talk. History has shown that Sinkies like to complain and flood the opposition rallies but will still vote for the ruling party on polling day. They just want to have the cake and eat it as well. They want the government to change and not change the government.

[@LonganLee]

This has got to do with over 60 years of nurturing and Ownself brainwash Ownself or misguiding ownself

[@LonganLee]

I think if WP and PSP keep proposing ideas and if good ideas are not taken on board, then the ruling party may one day be cornered. If taken onboard, opposition must be recognised for the contribution. Good policies that can benefit the Voters must not be denied implementation

[@horologyenthusiast8523]

Things have not been going good for the average Singaporean and its worsening by the year.. current Party has had generations to do their part and today it seems its not working anymore. At the rate high cost is going, and employment issues, shit is about to hit the fan and we need to give other Parties a chanhce to turn our circumstances around. Singaporeans are ridiculed by Malaysians and other foreigners who come here to work and get our high currency and reap the benefits back in theirs while we slave away living paycheck to paycheck. We serve our national service and i feel we really are short changed. I hope we can turn things around.

[@1965Singaporean]

Blame WP! WP don’t want to challenge for government, tell me how to change policy. Knn WP are scamming for vote to get MP pay,not sincere to help Singaporeans.

[@marylim2011]

Great leadership session for youth. Thanks.

[@LonganLee]

Govt must not and should never be eternally and only tied to one party. But some have , after over 60 years of one party rule, unwisely misperceived that government is one party and one party is government to remain eternally. One party of course will be ruling party or coalition. And they form govt. But govt is meant to be changed as long as the ruling party makes policies that makes our lives more unbearable than one or two GE ago. So, we need to be careful there are many bigoted people who confused that a ruling party must not be criticised because they form the government. This is a very crooked and wrong thinking. For any govt to improve and serve the people better is for them to be open to criticisms rather than for people to be intimidated so they won't criticise and make the world perceive it's because the people truely respect and support the leaders and no policy is flawed nor disapproved by some electorate

[@LonganLee]

If we talk to people more about politics, the more we will find people intolerant of views that point out the flaws in the policies or critical views. Yesmen do not make policies better. They only make lives worse for the peasants. Policies only get better when criticised where it's due. But sadly, I observed many , like IBs, jealously defend the status quo so extremely and biasedly that they are intellectually dishonest because they know the flaws and the criticisms are valid but are so dishonest they attack those who dissent out of self interest. These need not stop there. Once crooked, they can do many more bigoted things like political assassination etc. You get my point. Simply put, a crook will not stop at one crime.

[@mariantia926]

U totally spotted on and after 20 years, who is making the most money and enjoying the most benefits and yer not disturbed or complaint about high cost of living,expensive coe and sandwiched in mrt n buses,none of the 84 white,they give empty talk and promise and yet public believe every of their intent. We are too kind too patience and too lenient to the man in white.They treat u like beggar and u still treat them like emperor.Wake up and be wise, 20 years underlying rats coming out, the public life has been turn upside down by them,it is our time to turn the situation around.During 2004 to 2014,they played dumb played deaf upon our uproar of employment unfair n unfair upon ft influx,we need to teach the white a hard lesson by putting in more oppostion to fight with them to weaken their power approval simply not of intelligence but on power control.All the younster MP n mayor are just empty shelf and care their own pocket only with fake caring heart if not they paid themselves 660,000 annually 55k monthly n 2750 daily, and yet give 300 cdc/30 per family only 10 per day,is this a joke in today high inflation Singapore,either we paid them too generously if not they give us too little..😂🤣😅🤔🤫🫣

[@VincentTansoon]

This is very good in opened sharing with their thoughts and allowed them to speak up their minds. Hopefully this is something that we can learned from each others. WP is doing something different this time round.

[@LonganLee]

Yes, finally in 2024 WP started opening up online engaging with the electorate in a public way where they have been criticised before for the lack of it as visible from their YT channel videos. Now there is positive change. Full disclosure, I also criticised them that before

[@douglasang3527]

VTO PAP ! The best option 👍

[@LonganLee]

WP has been active for over 65 years. They must move faster than that as many of their voters have died and never seen Change. More will pass on naturally the same way without seeing change as long as its denied by the sg majority

[@markusong6022]

Understanding others culture and beliefs knowledge this is best for youths

[@markusong6022]

Hopefully the both MPs answer

[@FUFU-o2d]

I'm curious to see a Singapore without PAP

[@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG]

Not necessarily a bad thing.

[@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG]

@@Jackpot1711 The Sun will still rise from the East and still set in the West.

[@LonganLee]

Gradually, not big bang. It's like phasing in the hikes so the peasants won't realise the tub is getting warmer. Even if big bang SG guaranteed won't be in trouble at all because WP already shown they have pap level of talents if not better. More importantly, ruling parties are designed by the Constitution to come and go but the Gov machinery remains. So if you trying to scare voters, your comment don't cut it

[@FUFU-o2d]

@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG the sun or rain will not pay the bills

[@1965Singaporean]

@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG😂 but Singaporeans will watch sun with empty stomach. One PAP lost power,I will uproot from SG。😂😂😂

[@LonganLee]

Hard Question : Is Gerrymandering an Act of Dishonesty? Can leaders be dishonest? Should they?

[@SazalibinkamsirSazali-zu5yo]

im also not is clever person but im Leaning more Deep.📚📖🔑🌊🗝🤵

[@markusong6022]

Interview this green shirt guy, good question 🎉🎉🎉

[@kennySg101]

Jamus a bit nervous? He is popular among the young voters.

[@SazalibinkamsirSazali-zu5yo]

im just show to all how to done by the tip number want in seletion. Ticece and Quatet must share if Dame longer in horse Racing in group.👬👫🧑‍🤝‍🧑🏇🗣 for me all the some.

[@SazalibinkamsirSazali-zu5yo]

+/or, Throw by number ,but must reading went you get the true📖👀.Dont wrong done ok.

[@SazalibinkamsirSazali-zu5yo]

Nobody want Lost in betting.🧑‍🤝‍🧑👬👫we must help dame who need to know the true be done.yes, or no.

[@wowokingxoxo]

Singaporean deserve the government they voted for . Interprete it anyway you want.

[@SazalibinkamsirSazali-zu5yo]

For the Malay lady 🧕Tudung. im want the true Done Tiece ,or Quatet.Dont keep any number with me.🤵🔑🌊🗝Np pure water kaki, Last time is Datok👹👺😈, but now is C4.never Control any tip.

[@denisechan5992]

So true Sylvia. Democrat or Republican in US both agreed to contain China.

[@LonganLee]

The Illuminati

[@1965Singaporean]

😂😂😂 this show that if WP come into power, WP will be pro Westerners. PM LW just reminded us we are Asian country 😂😂😂.

[@LonganLee]

@@1965Singaporean good attempts to divide opposition base but we are in the age of A.I. IB techniques no longer work

[@1965Singaporean]

@@LonganLee lol. Anyone idea not aline with WP must be IP. Knn this prove that WP is 江郎才尽。I feel so ashamed to be an ex WP supporter. Wap now No difference from communist or wokesim. Lucky now I am a real Singaporean, Singapore come above party.

[@LonganLee]

@@1965Singaporean you had your views right? I don't represent WP nor anyone but myself. My views

[@markusong6022]

I censor myself no games no media ,, 😂😂😂😂

[@28excellent]

1st year student at that age?

[@markusong6022]

I till today never vote🤣🤣🤣

[@markusong6022]

I really sad seeing poly student playing games and gambling, working so hard😢😢😢

[@markusong6022]

😂😂😂😂

[@NH91-c7y]

Jamus is part of the more liberal part of WP. If hes head of youth wing, can tell where WP is heading towards. More liberal and towards the left.

[@1965Singaporean]

😂😂😂 may I ask jamus kids is what pronouns?😂😂😂

[@markusong6022]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Jaymore639]

2 PSP Ncmp seem to be more pro active than the 8 WP mp

[@LonganLee]

It's natural to have yin and yang to form the full circle. The difference compliments each other making it wholistic

[@1965Singaporean]

@@LonganLee WP cannot unite the opposition, PSP higher chance to unite the opposition and take over as government. WP only want to kpkb in parliament, not interested to be government, or i should say WP more interested in gender pronouns 😂😂😂

[@LonganLee]

@@1965Singaporean is Gerrymandering an Dishonest act ? Yes or No?

[@1965Singaporean]

@@LonganLee limpeh had been WP supporters since Cheng San GRC, u think I don’t know? U expect ur opponent to be honest to u? Knn limpeh cannot imagine if WP becomes government, we Singapore will be bully to the ground even by Malaysian! U need to workout of the box lah. WP will blame SG no natural resources if economic go south. Next election I hope PSP come my ward.

[@LonganLee]

@@1965Singaporean I find it opportune to make pun and cite IB words "you think you so good, you go so it lah!" 🤭🫣💨💨🏳️🏳️🏳️On a more serious note, no worries, I won't be like IBs who jealously defend which shows a Low EQ that's damaging for Singapore. You do what you want. May the force be with you. Just remember, if IB tells you to Leave SG when you criticise policies with intention to Singapore, you no need tell them to go fk spider. You tell them, "No, why should I leave SG when I am given power by the Constitution to Vote for Opposition to make Pap do a better job by taking one seat from them? All I can do is remove one seat from pap thru my vote. Next time, tell me to Vote against pap instead of leaving SG, my birth place"

[@LaiChingLeong-p6i]

WP, please state your contributions to Singapore in the last 5 years apart from managing TCs. The party discipline is questionable and you have squandered the position of LOO by not being able to form a coalition. Each opposition MP are still protesting from lone voices. You have to change your paradigm if you want to make inroads. Put Singaporeans first and party politics second.

[@denisechan5992]

There is greater demand for freedom of speech. Having said that bread and butter is still the main issue. Freedom of speech is a minor issue and not in the voters mind.

[@LonganLee]

It's more like there has been an over excessive stifling of free speech rather than call for no-holds-barred free speech. Lets not be mistaken. No one wants that

[@denisechan5992]

I like my MPs in my Bishan Toa Payoh GRC. Having said that I feel the country need transparency and accountability. Now in a dilemma. Choose lousy opposition MPs in my constituency hoping that they will try to give transparency and accountability of the PAP govt.

[@LonganLee]

That's why you are part of the problem. More of the same is unwise. Gradually adding pressure to pap is the way to go instead of big bang. Many ways to skin a cat. It's like before GST hike, give some handouts. Gradually phase in the hikes so the quantum is gradual though adding up to the intended quantum of increase

[@zrw2820]

WP has very few eloquent speakers except the MPs.

[@aliceyeo885]

看好林志慰

[@denisechan5992]

Seriously nowadays a candidate losing their deposits is rare unless it a 3 corner fight.

[@markusong6022]

😂😂😂😂