No Coolant? But Where Did It Go?

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@MudBone827 4 ай бұрын

Pull the dip stick!

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

Maybe he did but didn't show us?

@mrmagoo9901 4 ай бұрын

Yup...

@drgnslyr1962 4 ай бұрын

water pump failure leaking into the pan. had one a couple of months ago

@Whiskey36 4 ай бұрын

Ya fist thing u do on a over heating is pull dip stick make sure u didn’t blow the head still don’t explain y it over heated going down the road

@rollenschultz2707 4 ай бұрын

His hand bumped the dipstick when he was checking the fan

@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bg 4 ай бұрын

Check the oil for water

@DocZoidberg549 4 ай бұрын

First thing I would have checked.

@kevink8481 4 ай бұрын

I'm sure he already has

@goodcitizen64 4 ай бұрын

We've been praying for both Meg and yourself! May God bless you both with complete recoveries! Part 2 please!

@russhoppe3971 4 ай бұрын

Pull the dip stick and see if its foamy

@boot3682 4 ай бұрын

That was my first thought on the problem. Taking a look at the dipstick and oil fill cap for signs of excessive water in the oil should have been one of the first basic things to check. Love watching Kenny's videos! He is well on his way to finding the real problem, as usual!

@mikeburdi3464 4 ай бұрын

So 2 things I would like to add since we have no idea yet where this coolant went. Kenny first said that the customer said passenger compartment filled up with smoke, that is usually a pretty good indication that the heater core has taken a crap. Also I am surprised that the basic (IMO) checks weren't done, like check under oil fill cap for cream or milk, check dipstick for same or coolant, back off oil drain plug slowly to check for coolant coming out before engine oil, etc.. Maybe those checks were done off camera? Anyway, I hope we get to see the diagnosis.

@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 4 ай бұрын

Just a suggestion when using water to look for cooling system leaks. Add some food coloring to the water, makes it easier to see. Also thermostat and heater valves need to be open in order to pressurize the entire system. Finally after adding two gallons of water if that head gasket is blown or anything is cracked be careful you don't get hydrolock from water in cylinder when you start it again. Hopefully we'll see a part two and see where this goes.

@jenniferdavis9534 4 ай бұрын

3.5 are known for water pump failures leaking directly into the crank case

@818deuteronomy 4 ай бұрын

Hey Kenny, another informative chapter.

@ALLin-one1 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic work 👏 with pure heart ❤️ that is a real mechanism attitude

@petekovacevic3241 4 ай бұрын

Trigger the fans and check for power and ground after the module

@rustybumperclassics6342 4 ай бұрын

I learn something from each of your videos. Thank you

@brucegrant1141 4 ай бұрын

Look for a coolant stain behind the alternator. The water pump is chain driven and is behind the timing cover. It has a weep hole with an external passage to prevent coolant from getting into the oil, but once it starts to weep, you need to address it asap. Also, these engines have a failsafe cooling system like the modular V8s, the PCM will disable fuel injectors on half of the cylinders. The air pumping through prevents severe overheating. Given the timing codes, I'd be doing water pump and a chain/phaser/tensioner kit from Cloyes. It will be pricey, so the customer may balk at it. From personal experience, drop the powertrain out the bottom, much easier to work on, especially for cleaning the sealing surfaces (timing cover is sealed with permatex grey RTV) and timing the chains.

@onlineconsumer4796 4 ай бұрын

Also check the heater core in the dash as the customer stated "cabin filled with like a smoke" as it may be leaking under pressure.

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

Yes

@davidweum 4 ай бұрын

I clesned my heater core on a cold winter day on an '86 F150 with bleach, CLR and another anti-😢corrosive. Of course I flushed it by taking off hoses and reversing input of anti corrosiveback and forth. I am a DYR'er and it worked. I did not notice rust or gunk of any sort pour out, but it worked.

@rbaker1423 4 ай бұрын

This sounds like a classic example of losing cooling system pressure on these era systems. They are very sensitive to pressure loss. Whatever they state (on the cap) as the pressure of your system (16psi or whatever) -- they really mean that. The system will operate right at that pressure when at temp. If it is rated for 16 psi, holding 15 psi is not good enough. Be sure to carefully pressure test the cap on that expansion tank too, as they are often the reason. But you may have a leak or crack somewhere else in the lines. I have seen leaks that don't show up in a cool pressure test. They only open up when hot enough. They can be really hard to find. Check the water pump too. Either way, as soon as system pressure is lost, that reservoir will boil and push out a gallon of fluid faster than you can imagine. When that happens, the CHT sensor is suddenly in air instead of water (any remaining coolant around the sensor also boils in the head, causing similar bad readings), and it starts reading incorrectly instantly, often reading much higher than actual. So I am not really concerned about the CHT code here. My guess is they stopped running it in sufficient time to avoid ruining the head. I think sequence of events is that pressure was lost somewhere, boiling off the coolant and setting a false CHT reading. The coolant that boils off gets all over the hot manifold and produces a lot of steam. The "smoke" inside the car was steam being pulled in through the vents. Fix the leak (maybe just the pressure cap -- don't use aftermarket), vacuum fill the coolant, and it will likely be fine. I don't think the fan failure is related. The codes weren't necessarily set at the same time. And, as you pointed out, the cooling failure happened at highway speed with plenty of cooling. That is an unrelated fix. Also note that if the CHT reads overtemp, the PCM will shut down cylinders to cool the engine. So a misfire during the event is likely due to the shutdown and not due to damage from overheating. These engines protect themselves pretty well.

@oneeyedjack4727 4 ай бұрын

I've had a few cars that had a sensor in the reservoir/expansion tank that would alert on the dash for low coolant. I have a '90 Toyota that has one. It would be a good thing for the manufactures to include for people that are oblivious and never check anything under the hood.

@johnbeckett2624 4 ай бұрын

Trouble is most people will just ignore any warning lights and carry on, as long as the engine is running and the wheels keep turning that's fine.

@johnnysautorepairs5263 4 ай бұрын

Hopefully there will be a part 2. Where did that coolant actually go?

@timd1833 4 ай бұрын

Check the dipstick!!!!

@danwoods315 4 ай бұрын

I'd say the coolant blew out. "Smoke from under the hood" was the customers description at the beginning of the video

@conservativeguy9329 4 ай бұрын

@@danwoods315 I would suspect blown head gasket and better hope it didn't warp the head from overheating.

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

I left everyone hangin' on this one! The cooling system was tight - no leaks. Found the coolant to have boiled out from intense overheat. It turned out to be the cooling fan module and fan assembly. The fans built up resistance and burned out the attached module. Glad to say the post repair test drive went well and there are no signs of internal damage at this time. For the sake of the customer's time my colleague did the repair. I have a long list of diagnostics that I still have to knock out and the customer's time is important to me. Sorry for the lack of a video. I appreciate you for watching! 🔧🔧

@g8gtatlman483 Ай бұрын

@@WrenchingWithKenny Please help me understand. In video you mentioned that fan do not come on when going at speed, something like 30mph up. But these fans failed at hwy speeds and the car overheated? correct ?

@goldwingconepatterns2565 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if people think of taking videos of the problem as it's happening. Not a driver while driving of course but a passenger or in this case of the smoke/steam under the hood. I was thinking heater core when I heard cabin filled with smoke/steam or vapours. Looking forward to part deux!

@jocarr1791 4 ай бұрын

Also, check the coolant system pressure with the engine running. It could be a blown head gasket between the cylinder and a water jacket. Which would explain the loss of coolant.

@BloodStainedTear 4 ай бұрын

Same pressure tester I bought at Harbor Freight and it leaks around the quick connect fitting so you could stand there and pump it all day and it wouldn't build any pressure and you really wouldn't notice that it's leaking since it doesn't give the hiss sound

@philjerome9795 4 ай бұрын

I try to save used antifreeze of different types (if it isn't contaminated) and label them, keeping the various types in the correct container. Came in handy recently when a friend had a leak on his Ford Ranger that I couldn't get to. Couldn't use water, as it was way below freezing. I topped him off and gave him an extra gallon until he could get it repaired. Also comes in handy when a customer doesn't have the funds to repair a problem and the car is still drivable.

@sonnyblazer5504 4 ай бұрын

I'm surprised you didn't pull the dipstick and look for signs of MILKSHAKE! Great VIDEO like all you do! Thank you!

@phillipcooley83 4 ай бұрын

My 06 Ford's coolant reservoir cap has a built in pressure release valve, I found this out because my car overheated, and spewed coolant all over. It was also due to a faulty fan control module. Replaced the fan, and topped off the coolant, and it's still running today. This happened back in 2017 (for reference)

@brad6665 4 ай бұрын

Put power on the fan leads to see they even work, had some that blades turned and the motor was bad. Hate to see a module gets replaced and the fans still not running.

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

my thoughts exactly

@robertbell525 4 ай бұрын

Cloyes seems to be pretty good, we used their parts on a Ecotec and no problems yet. If its obvious the chain is loose or there are no cam sprocket rattles or known sprocket issues i would leave them alone. We did change ours but in hindsight it wasn't needed. On the ecotec it actually was not too bad.

@nmsidewinder 4 ай бұрын

Check the oil level, also pull the oil pan drain plug and take a sample, look for antifreeze/water in the oil. Had a 2001 Malibu that had bad engine timing chain cover coolant o-rings in and it was leaking coolant past timing chain cover seals from engine block and water pump seals. It wound up in the oil pan with the oil. No leaks showed up externally on the engine. The oil level will also show a high reading on dip stick as more coolant leaks into oil pan.

@robertwhitright9816 4 ай бұрын

Yes,like the other guy said. Pull the dip stick. See if you've got water in the crank case.

@dimitriberozny3729 4 ай бұрын

Hotwire one of the fans to a fuse that gets power only when the ignition is on. Did this on an older Toyota Corolla.

@leandrolaporta2196 4 ай бұрын

Interesting, please do a follow up, we want to know where the coolant went😅, check cylinder head with a boroscope, see if it is washed out, i love you videos men, please keep at it, thank you

@eddiereichel9354 4 ай бұрын

Got 07 Lincoln mkz in my shop today. Same issue. It's the water pump. It comes out weep hole behind the alternator. It's a engine out deal on the mkz. I think edge can be done with engine in. Ford parts and id do the timing chain when your in there.

@sheerwillsurvival2064 4 ай бұрын

For cooling systems I get distilled water only cost $1 at most stores. And I love my Airvac system, especially on big leaks

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

Batteries yes, radiators it doesn't matter. I honestly don't think it is that important in batteries, IMO, if it is good enough to drink, it's good enough for batteries. You should only use coolant which is half antifreeze and half water in the radiator. Plus he is just looking for the leak.

@sheerwillsurvival2064 4 ай бұрын

@@jthonn it actually causes oxidation and corrosion in the cooling system. Look it up it’s not just tech school science. Even the 50/50 mix antifreeze says it on the jug

@elcheapo5302 4 ай бұрын

Just a quick note, my Mopar FSMs state the compressor will not run in any position below "about 30*F".

@unwired1281 4 ай бұрын

Waiting for part 2‼️

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

@TheJase8566 4 ай бұрын

Had an E36 BMW that had the water boil over all the time. Was constantly filling it with coolant. Changed the radiator clutch fan and it was brilliant after that.

@rollenschultz2707 4 ай бұрын

Does that have the internal water pump?

@dans_Learning_Curve 4 ай бұрын

Congratulations on passing 75K!

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate every single person! Thank you for watching and keep wrenchin'! 🔧🔧

@promansplainor5245 3 ай бұрын

Check oil level and feel passenger side carpet for wetness from heater core.

@markcollins457 4 ай бұрын

Is it in the oil sump or in transmission? You can tell its a Ford they don't feel the need to identify fuses/relays in the panel. Another driveway mechanic deterrent. Thanks again Ford.

@patrickcoyne8624 4 ай бұрын

Great stuff Kenny However the first two things u would have checked was water in the oil milky when cold.filled the empty expansion tank then ran bypassed the thermostat directly to the fans with 12 volts Started the engine and monitored results If all other items are working then you know it's the fan modulator or stuck thermostat

@Paramount531 4 ай бұрын

Isn't this a model that uses the timing chain driven internal water pump? I'd be looking there as well and checking the crankcase.

@hearmonheardjr8065 4 ай бұрын

Yes ,all 3.5’s for front wheel drive vehicle has the timing chain driven water pump . The 3.5’s for the rear wheel drive vehicles have an external water pump.

@douganderson7251 4 ай бұрын

Check live data for a fans on signal from the ECM.

@Tiger_Slot66outlook 4 ай бұрын

I don't have that fancy scan tool to diagnose the cooling fan.

@LesReeves 4 ай бұрын

That is why I do not like the base model on any brand as they do not have a temperature gauge in the dash only a warning light & by the time that has ilumnated generally the damage is done.Cheers mate I hope your wife & yourself are recovering quickly.

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

Let us know Kenny, I hate mysteries.

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

@jthonn 4 ай бұрын

No problem man, keep wrenching!@@WrenchingWithKenny

@jackedwards7420 4 ай бұрын

The very first thing you do is verify ALL FLUIDS BEFORE cranking, installing any scanners, anything!! Especially since it was towed in, Geeze! Mechanics 101!!

@marlinyoung1606 4 ай бұрын

Definitely could be the water pump leaking under there weep hole is behind alternator. Pull the dipstick it’s most likely milky. You didn’t do any kind of block test. And you didn’t check the duty cycle circuit to the module.

@xltoth 4 ай бұрын

Thermostat is fail safe, sticks in open position. My guess is high resistance in connector before the fan control module. Place your bets !

@timscanlan1466 4 ай бұрын

So, how did it turn out?

@goodcitizen64 4 ай бұрын

Kenny is to good not to have checked the oil dipstick??

@davidweum 4 ай бұрын

I have a regular, constant leak that puddles on top of my engine, but I "cure" that by just adding 50/50 coolant. Its doesn't go into the oil. Its my old, ugly '86 F150 garbage/hauling truck. I only drive it 200-300 mies/yr. I'm not worried about it, but I will buy a new radiator hose this spring - it doesn't appear to be coming from any hose plus the rad hose is below where the coolant puddles.

@robertbramblett9124 4 ай бұрын

Better than what you have evidently lol

@46fd04 4 ай бұрын

Is the coolant going into the oil pan?

@bobby9195 4 ай бұрын

Afternoon Mr Kenny hope things are going well for you and your wife, Happy Friday and hope you enjoy your weekend

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

Happy Friday! I hope you enjoy your weekend too! Thanks for always checking in. I appreciate you!

@bobby9195 4 ай бұрын

@@WrenchingWithKenny well Mr Kenny, I watch your show as regular as I can sir, I think you're great and your videos have helped me on vehicles more than once. Thank you for sharing your experience

@Steve-hp8tm 4 ай бұрын

I kno you already pulled the dipstick. First thing you do. Yr just keeping us in suspense😂

@daleolsen7865 4 ай бұрын

Heater core?

@wayneblanchard3845 4 ай бұрын

Good luck Kenny! If U ant the Best! U Certainly One of the Best!

@davidthomits544 4 ай бұрын

Ford edge put where it belongs from the assembly line nearest junkyard is it the water pump we had one of these at my job leak in same area

@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bg 4 ай бұрын

Turn on the A/C the fan should come on

@johnbeckett2624 4 ай бұрын

He did that and the fans didn't come on......

@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bg 4 ай бұрын

@@johnbeckett2624 should have tried that after they didn't come on. They always come on with the AC

@unwired1281 4 ай бұрын

@@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bgunless they dont

@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bg 4 ай бұрын

@unwired1281 then you would know right away the fans don't work, without overheating the car and cause more damage to the motor. Work smarter, not harder !!!!!!!

@jocarr1791 4 ай бұрын

What's with the split/damaged hose where it connects with the hardline? It's visible @ 5:22. Looks like that could be a problem area.

@jdtractorman7445 4 ай бұрын

Don't overlook the pressure cap. If it overheated and blew coolant/water out, the cap may be bad now.

@jimpoteet1 4 ай бұрын

heater core?

@jdesaavedra0432 4 ай бұрын

No mystery. There are coolant stains and remnants all over under the expansion jug--like Old Faithful geyser. With all that gushing of coolant when it overheated, it would have been spectacular.

@abdouallahuniverse5689 4 ай бұрын

Since the fans are not working, the cooling got out from.a vent vavle under a lot of pressure caused by the high cooling heat (the cooling system build like that) and i guess there was slow moving traffic on the highway, that the only explanation.

@larrybryan8913 4 ай бұрын

Hey Kenny what was the first launch you talked about that was in the 400 dollar range on Amazon thanks

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larrybryan8913, under the video is a graybar section and the tools he put on there. click where you see " ...more 'and it is the one listed as budget friendly scanner

@markk3652 4 ай бұрын

You mentioned that it is a 3.5 v6, isn't the waterpump of the style that fails internally into the engine? Pull the drain plug from the engine, see what you get. If it transferred all the coolant into the oilpan, the overheat would have boiled what coolant was in the heads, turning it into steam, which would have vented to the radiator and the degas bottle. The engine would have drawn in whatever it could from the reserve in the degas bottle as the steam may have been blasting it out of the overflow.

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

That was actually my first thought because you're absolutely correct. The system was tight - no leaks. Found the coolant to have boiled out from intense overheat. It turned out to be the cooling fan module and fan assembly. The fans built up resistance and burned out the attached module. Glad to say the post repair test drive went well and there are no signs of internal damage right now. For the sake of the customer's time my colleague did the repair. I have a long list of diagnostics that I still have to knock out and the customer's time is important to me. Sorry for the lack of a video. I appreciate you for watching! 🔧🔧

@markk3652 4 ай бұрын

@@WrenchingWithKenny glad to hear back from you. Nice that it worked out that way.

@bobby9195 4 ай бұрын

I'm old,my dang dipstick is stuck😅😂

@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 4 ай бұрын

Just saw your newest video with the water pump on the Ford Ecoboost, haven't seen a follow up to this video, you pretty much just left us hanging here. What ever happened eith this car?

@paulerickson1906 4 ай бұрын

I would guess the fan control module died causing the engine to run hot and eventually a misfire developed from the temperature? Maybe?

@randyjones1618 4 ай бұрын

Hey Kenny. I hope everything is alright with Meg. I have a question for you. Is it worth it to purchase a used vehicle from the south and ship it to southern ontario, Canada?

@renj6531 4 ай бұрын

5:25 that zip tie isnt OEM😂

@donames6941 4 ай бұрын

It may not have broke any thing but it could have weakened some things

@oldbiker9739 4 ай бұрын

an other module bites the dust Kenny

@joemazzola7387 4 ай бұрын

Internal water pump failure My daughter 08 Taurus had that problem cost us 2 k to fix it Same engine

@TheOnespeedbiker 4 ай бұрын

The driver said they were driving on the highway and cabin started to fill with smoke and when they pulled over there was smoke coming out from under the hood (assuming it's coolant in both cases). While the fan circuit/module may be bad, I can't see how this addresses the vehicle's primary issue. The vehicle appears to be leaking coolant (2gal missing) inside the cabin and in the engine compartment, why is Kenny concerning himself with the bad fan circuits? Kind of a strange video from Kenny.

@vilemerchant 4 ай бұрын

I would change the oil since it got cooked that bad

@nonotthatoneguy 4 ай бұрын

When hear ford, 3.5, and coolant loss, all i can think of is the water pump failed

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

That's what nightmares are made of! What a terrible design. When people ask why techs dislike engineers that's one of the examples I give them 😂

@jasonpocaro2730 4 ай бұрын

It's thirsty, needed a cool drink of coolant. 😅 Nothing to see here folks

@dougjones9493 4 ай бұрын

Remove a simple inexpensive relay and replace ot with a expensive module, way to over think it engineer's.

@RumpleXstillXskin 4 ай бұрын

Part 2

@davidclough3951 4 ай бұрын

The cap leaks. Just my guess about halfway thru.

@davidclough3951 4 ай бұрын

Could be a stuck closed thermostat. I better stop guessing and just continue watching.

@dimitriberozny3729 4 ай бұрын

Leaking water pump?

@noexcuses6727 4 ай бұрын

turn the A/C on while running and fans should energize and come on - oh, he just said that

@jdesaavedra0432 4 ай бұрын

That code is the "I drove it to my destination with the hot light on" indicator.

@Swampkrew 4 ай бұрын

Wait to finish this video until You finish the job.

@robscholefield305 4 ай бұрын

Cooling fan temperature sensor

@greggc8088 4 ай бұрын

I hate the smell of hot coolant in a car when the heater core goes.

@neiliewheeliebin 4 ай бұрын

Made me nervous seeing you touch the fan like that

@WrenchingWithKenny 4 ай бұрын

Mrs Wrenching wasn't happy with me reaching in either 🥴 Thabks for watching

@michaeld1340 3 ай бұрын

that is a harbor fright kit

@DaddyyCrab 4 ай бұрын

Maybe it threw a code at lower speeds prior to being at highway speed.

@danaowen9014 4 ай бұрын

That is messed up that ford only sells the module with the fan assembly.

@kellismith4329 4 ай бұрын

At least you can get it, needed a module for an old Dodge 5.9 and the kit was a couple of relays you wire in it’s place

@gwendilenespadoni1422 4 ай бұрын

Thermostat stuck closed?

@kellismith4329 4 ай бұрын

It’s why I like failsafe T’stats, yes they can fail open but does way less damage that way

@MyRebel44 4 ай бұрын

Buffering ?

@goodcitizen64 4 ай бұрын

On your end!

@TheJcrandazzo 4 ай бұрын

For smoke there has to be fire.. I mean a leak.. Stuck thermostat , engine overheats and pop goes the weasel.Hope its not the head.

@kellismith4329 4 ай бұрын

Could have been steam

@TheJcrandazzo 4 ай бұрын

Exactly...Steam is correct.

@DS-ss7vl 4 ай бұрын

The pressure tester is a pos. Try another tester and make sure it will pressurize the system to the specified pressure rating on the cap. Then look for the coolant leak...if any. You should only have to pump those testers maybe 1 to 2 times.

@josephbradshaw5353 4 ай бұрын

Aluminum will warp and flex, pig iron does not it cracks.

@dadyo63 4 ай бұрын

Heater core inside car

@jimburgess9205 4 ай бұрын

I hate transverse mounted engines.

@orinmangar2333 4 ай бұрын

Car was towed in, so rocket science was used to start it up to drive it in the shop. Customer did state it over heated, and they saw smoke. Also the dipstick was not pulled to check for antifreeze in oil. Finally not able to pressure test system. The fan issue was diagnosed correctly. Kenny, you have some improvements to work on in your shop. Good luck.