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[@Johnnyrondi]

Full episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZvUZHihi518gKc

[@Tartaruga728]

Bo is great. It was my club Bo visited. I love being part of the story and impetus for part of his MMA career. He ran a great clinic for my sons youth program which is a phenomenal wrestling program. It was our honor that he came and watched. I’m not sure what knuckleheads asked him to roll lol but our guys were mostly white belts and maybe a blue or purple. Most had highschool or small college wrestling backgrounds and for the love of Pete were trying to take him down and most were getting destroyed. A lot of snap takedowns to guillotines. I actually did not want to train. I was nursing a back injury and am old 🤣 and was overweight. The wrestling coaches and bjj guys wanted to see it. I had and have zero misgivings about training live with a world class wrestler but thought it would be a neat experience. I left the gi on hoping it would at least be less familiar. I remember asking Bo if he wanted to wear a gi and he said “no”. I am a top player and knew there was no way I was putting Bo on his back. I pulled half guard and did try a pretty tight wrist lock. But Bo was awesome. He powered/gutted out. He had “blackbelt base”. I remember trying a sweep from turtle I get a lot and it was like I hit a wall. He has a lot of length and world class grip fighting. We did go about 10 minutes and kind of stalemated out. It was an honor and a pleasure training with a future hall of fame wrestler, UFC champ and mma king. He was very respectful and probably a little restrained going with me “the old guy”. I love hearing him tell the story the way he remembers it and one day we’d love to have him come for a clinic. My son wrestles D2 and has trained his whole life in BJJ as well and would love to one day also have great success in mma. Thanks Bo for letting NLD JUDO and BJJ be part of the story. You’re a great young man!

[@Johnnyrondi]

Hey ! So glad you saw this. Appreciate the comment!

[@-clipz-]

God bless all glory to God

[@Pashhhh456a]

This is what u call class vs no class

[@blumpkinspicelatte4580]

Pics or it never happened.

[@JP_26]

Awesome story man, very cool. God bless, man. Btw what's your kids name? I'll start the hype train lol I gotchu

[@Alex-xi3bw]

He's a life long competitive wrestler with 25+ years grappling with hobbyists who've trained from like 2-10 years lol. Even if it's a different sport, the result would be the same if a life long competitive boxer came into a kickboxing gym and fought hobbyists

[@TinoMartinez20]

No

[@mikegold3130]

I’d agree. People are confused because they hear the word black belt. But think about it, if it takes 10 years to be a black belt, so many d1 wrestlers like bo have been wrestling since they were 5. So from 5 to 23 he was wrestling. That’s 18 years of grappling experience vs a guy with 10, and the other guys all had 2-5 years. So he’s got like double to triple the amount of grappling experience than these guys. If anything it’s more impressive if they hung in there with him.

[@username9045]

Thanks, Captain Hindsight! If only you'd been in that room to point out how dumb those jiu jitsu practitioners were for even trying, you could have prevented Bo from having this awesome story we all enjoyed hearing.

[@username9045]

If there any other sports victories everyone should have seen coming, there's a way you can capitalize on your genius: It's called sports betting. But you sound more like the type of guy that waits until after it happened to explain how the rest of us should have seen it coming.

[@Zpahcihfaerry]

Well no thats not exactly true because a lot of wrestlers before college only wrestle during the season and at my bjj gym the people grapple year round so when younger wrestlers say they wrestled for 5 years that usually only 5 seasons of wrestling not 5 whole years

[@LeoLCDT]

He violated the first rule.

[@bubbaluvv]

second rule, don't break the first

[@scal7122]

Haha best comment

[@mattm4162]

What’s the first rule

[@slabzzz]

@@mattm4162 😂

[@mmhcreates]

​@@mattm4162 speaking about the fight club.

[@moefinesse9878]

Bo defeats an entire BJJ school who have full time employment while training 2 to 3 days a week for 2 hours. Bo training as his full time job. This is a ridiculous comparison

[@Joez86]

Exactly. Walk into a Gracie School in Torrance or a Machado school. He’d have a different story. This story is an ego-joke.

[@griffin2599]

Yeah, I know of a Machado school in Dallas where this would not be a case. A Machado brown belt would submit him

[@Joez86]

@@griffin2599 Carlo's School. Exactly.

[@testodude]

Bo's not bragging. He's relating a story he was asked to tell.

[@Isaiah_317]

He specifially said he was a sohpmore. So he was doing full time college at Penn state

[@RGTomoenage11]

A D1 wrestler is a pretty experienced grappler with way better physical condition than the average Bjj player.

[@getuptogetdown918]

I’m a hobbyist bjj brown belt, a d1 wrestler came to train and absolutely killed me with fundamentals. He said he learnt how to do a north South choke and an Americana, proceeded to hit both. The main difference was when he secured top position his control and base were solid.

[@germanrud9904]

Wrestling is the most raw, natural aspect of physical fitness. To wrestle IS to be fit. D1 college wrestlers are tanks.

[@dylannelson4338]

They heavily recruit wrestlers for the Navy SEALs and Spec Ops for a reason. They’re the most versatile athletes on the planet. D1 wrestlers in particular, are a special breed of humans. I’ve been fortunate enough to roll with some of these guys in the practice room, and it’s unbelievable how strong these guys are. I’m a decently good sized guy myself, but I’ve always said rolling around with a D1 heavyweight, is like trying to wrestle an oak tree. You ain’t gonna move it…Then you wonder to yourself what would happen if you got into a bar fight with one of these guys 😅 💤

[@pawrestlingchamp]

@@dylannelson4338 True, my practice partner from high school is currently a Seal.

[@draneyx5415]

@@dylannelson4338 for someone outside of the US, what is it that makes a D1 wrestler so fit? What type of physical regime are they doing?

[@Daniel-vc1oc]

Bo is the only person who can tell a story that ends with "And everyone started clapping" and its also believable

[@or9481]

Love his attitude.

[@drugbustin]

Only to his fan girls with Bo goggles on

[@brianevans4975]

This actually made me lol

[@justinclary3926]

​@@drugbustinlike Bo or not, he is the best wrestler the UFC has ever seen, besides maybe one single wrestler who fought only once, mark Schultz. Even Henry Ceudo having an Olympic gold, was never as dominating as Bo. Bo right now, today, would beat Adesanya 7/10.

[@drugbustin]

@@justinclary3926 He really wouldn't though...Every fight starts on the feet and Bo would get baited on feints so hard and slept before he even gets to grapple a guy who has crazy grappling defense anyways.

[@truthseekerKJV]

Experienced wrestlers are cardio monsters combined with high level strength and know how, so it comes as no surprise that BJJ guys couldn't handle a wrestler at the level of Bo.

[@Exbozz]

ofcourse not, BJJ guys have zero cardio and I say that without trying to shit on them, I am one myself, but lets not kid ourselves, BJJ is a slow game compared to most other martial arts.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

@@Exbozz But potentially superior to american wrestling, as a martial art, as shown here. Not superior as a combat sport, but a 55 year old non athlete grappled to a draw with a world class 22 year old wrestler, essentially just by making his lifelong thing. Obviously, from a martial arts point of view, at least 2 years of wrestling or judo before going into bjj is better for self defense development.

[@kingandres2048]

Expect you don't know what your talking about Gordon handled him fine lol

[@kingandres2048]

​@@Exbozz lmao because bjj training is dumbed down for the masses watch when bo and Gordon had a match bo looked more tired people who train there whole life in bjj have cardio entry-level wrestling is harder but that's for many reasons bo went to a class of bjj hobbyist

[@WeAreGhuraba]

​@@kingandres2048gordon is openly on gear genius...

[@alexs1972]

The core of jiu jitsu is position over submission. A championship winner wrestler is essentially a black belt in gaining position. So as long as he knows a handful of submissions, that makes perfect sense.

[@nba_fan7214]

Yea for real someone like Bo has around 15 years of competitive wrestling experience by the time he was done in college. He might not have known the exact techniques of BJJ, but he certainly was not going to be submitted by anyone less than a good purple belt if that with that level of grappling experience. There's a reason Bruce Lee said back in the day wrestling was all the grappling training you needed if you wanted to be efficient.

[@dougbrown04]

There is nobody who will ever gas Bo, not after being in Caels room for years. It's a next level conditioning that most can't fathom.

[@trentenchalfant2077]

That’s why Cael is the best wrestling coach right now and he’s obviously arguably the greatest collegiate wrestler of all time.

[@chrislaverick6413]

one of my favorite rooms to train in, its a very nice facilty

[@Kelvanus]

Woah a life-time record holding 210lb 6"3 shredded collegiate grappler beat a 52 year old accountant father of four purple belt in a roll! My mind is blown

[@G1stGBless]

Exactly. Bo and the Father understand but the average fan thinks that means bjj is bad 😂😂

[@chojun62]

What happens when an elite wrestler goes against an elite jiu-jitsu athlete ( Gordan Ryan)?

[@TheAlbert1A1]

Exactly 😂

[@akhtar10x80]

Wrestler likely loses unless they know subs very well, or can avoid getting subbed and win off decision

[@pawrestlingchamp]

@@chojun62 In BJJ Ryan wins, in wrestling Bo wins. In MMA Ryan couldn't compete due to the drug tests, but even if he could pass he would get starched.

[@Foreverspooky]

I’m no great grappler by any means, I only wrestled for a few years but I always had such an admiration for bjj/submission grappling. After learning some jj basics, it’s amazing how well it blends with wrestling. For me personally, I found it most comfortable and effective to use wrestling to engage and get to the position I wanted, then use jj to complete the submission.

[@tjl4688]

Catch wrestling is a parent of BJJ. Many of the old guard wrestled either in school or on the side as well. Sadly the sport of BJJ has thrown away a lot of the top game and now BJJ guys are having to re-learn the half of the things that made their art famous.

[@jayluis189]

Well, Folkstyle and freestyle wrestling came from Catch Wrestling, which had tons of submissions. No offense, but do some research.

[@Foreverspooky]

@@jayluis189 I’m well aware of catch / submission wrestling, I was simply sharing my first hand account of someone who only competed in traditional wrestling and then practiced some basic jiu jitsu. Even if someone isn’t aware of wrestling’s varied history, there’s no need to be condescending. The essence of a wrestler should always be character and hard work.

[@miladirani4313]

Bo is 80% Olympic wrestler and 20 box and jujitsu

[@animationdude9]

@@tjl4688 I thought the parent of BJJ was Japanese jujitsu?

[@Hammerback0]

As a kid my mom put me and my older bro in karate classes to keep us busy while she worked, we never missed a class and really benefited from the discipline it gave both of us. I got my black belt in Taekwondo by age 13, never told anyone at school, but i was so proud of that accomplishment. I wish i knew there were other disciplines, i would have tried to learn more. (this was pre internet, around 1989-1990.

[@noone-pg4lr]

Did you ever use it on ppl when u went to school

[@swappedoutZ71]

You took karate but have a black belt in tkd? Did you quit karate lol

[@User-54631]

Gordon tapped him even with a no leg Lock stipulation.

[@nostromo9081]

Still Gordon got outwrestled pretty hard and suplexed like a bitch.

[@tylerandreason8514]

Yeah dude bow is a killer, Ryan is ground baby lol mma and jujitsu are two different things. Jujitsu people don’t last in MMA. Tell me one MMA champion that only uses jujitsu I rest my case.

[@buffalosoldat]

@@tylerandreason8514 MMA = mixed martial arts. There's no one contender using only single martial art in UFC.

[@omarclarke55]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@tylerandreason8514Royce Gracie won ufc 1… Charles olivera probably has a few submissions that was mostly based on his jiu jitsu.

[@mv8137]

Gordon did also get slammed. Twice

[@emilianosintarias7337]

This is a great ad for BJJ, since you have a 55 year old non college athlete instructor grappling to a draw with a 22 year old national wrestling champion. Wrestling is a great base for self defense oriented martial arts, though it should be much less than what MMA athletes do. 4 years is good enough, you don't want to carry those injuries for life.

[@daricklapaglia4337]

I wrestled bo a couple times when he lived in new mexico were about the same age. He was really unorthodox and good at countering. We split matches when we were like 10. Once in colorado and the second time in new mexico

[@FightCommentary]

Really interesting! In my high school, the lacrosse players had something similar. They put on their lacrosse gear and would have a “fight club” after practice sometimes.

[@zedoaries4006]

Used to do something similar with hockey, called it locker boxing lol. Used to put on helmets and our gloves and duke it out.

[@MuhammadsMohel]

Jiu-jitsu and Judo improved my wrestling with submissions.

[@Hi-NuAetherling]

Gordon Ryan is laughing at this.

[@germanboy14]

In Wrestling, Mma or no rules he would lose to many guys. BJJ is boring and useless.

[@mv8137]

Gordan Ryan is overrated. Let's see that man throw hands or attempt anything on his feet....where all real fights start

[@mikegold3130]

Not surprising at all. At most bjj gyms, a d1 talented college wrestler will maul 90 percent of the guys training, they won’t catch the higher belts but they make them work for everything. The only time I see jiu jitsu guys melt through talented wrestlers is when it’s a really good gi guy, or a talented leg locker.

[@Bucephalus84]

Frank Mir V. Brock Lensnar 1 is a good example of this. Lesnar rounded out the issues by 2.

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

He’s downplaying his knowledge of BJJ submissions and sub defense. We had a lot of D1 wrestlers in our gym and it’s actually somewhat easy to get a guillotine or a triangle choke even on great wrestlers if they don’t know how to avoid/defend them. Once they learn basic sub defense they rocket past 90% of the gym though. We had a D1 wrestler “white belt” with 6 months of bjj medal in a bjj tourney against black belts.

[@REXAZOR]

@@scotiacrumpler2824 A local BJJ tourney v hobby BBs is ok but not saying much when ur a D1 wrestler who is also probably way more athletic and using that athleticsm to cheat technique v older hobby dudes lol. That same wrestler who medal in tourney v black belts would get their ass destroyed v World podium competitive blues/purples who primarily do leglocks.

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

@@REXAZOR Yah I agree

[@REXAZOR]

@@user-bb4xk6bb7nxxx not if he doesn't train BJJ he can't lol . A world class wrestler v a world class purple belt will be submitted in under a minute without at least 1 year of training BJJ themselves or else they would have no clue about heel.hooks and dozens of submissions . But sure if they get the few years training in BJJ then they will close the gap quick usually .

[@marcmcrandall]

"when to put pressure" is what spoke to me the most

[@braxtonmarshall1883]

This is similar to my experience, I have wrestled for 10 years and my first jiu-jitsu practice after they showed everybody a few moves went onto free rolling, and like bo I have watched ufc most of my life I know how to do basic submissions, but all I did was use my wrestling until I controlled them and got either a rear naked choke or an Americana or a guillotine. I beat all of the white belts and blue belts. There were 3 white belts 2 blue belts. 2 purple belts a brown and 2 black belts I only rolled with one of the purple belts but I was able to tire him out and get am Americana on him. But I did get submitted by the brown belt, and he was smaller than me. The other guys were my size or bigger. 185+ Brown belt tapped me with a triangle choke. I could have picked him up and slammed him but I didn't because it was 1. My first day. 2. Not a competition 3. Didn't need to inflate my ego. I unfortunately had to stop going to jiu-jitsu after a month because my car broke down and have to carpool to work right now. But will get back in it when i can I loved it

[@IdontWanna-ov8bh]

Cool

[@LumpyYT]

Bo looks like a Viking

[@JohnnyDrinks]

Literally

[@markstone6263]

But i love the thumbnail pic, him slamming gordon when gordon was trying to get him to do so bc he wasnt allowed to pull guard, andddd then he tapped to a triangle a few minutes later 😂

[@kallepikku4991]

Gordon fot KOed and brain damaged for life if it wasn't for especially padded soft mats.

[@ericm13456]

Yeah that story in not surprising at all. I'm a purple belt, rolled with a freaking monster wrestler from Ohio one time. Absolutely humbling experience.

[@shimoda3339]

I had a similar experience, when I was 18. I just graduated high school, after placing 3rd in States in Wrestling. My Wrestling coach liked to go over to a BJJ place, because his brothers did MMA. At this point I knew and understood basic chokes and locks, based on watching UFC fights, but had no formal BJJ training. I easily beat all the BJJ guys I went against, with good wrestling, and an understanding of body mechanics. That was until I went against this guy that they call “Gumby”. Everybody stopped their matches to watch their best guy (a brown belt in BJJ) beat me. I tried every submission and choke I knew to no avail - the sonofabitch wouldn’t tap no matter how much I contorted his body. I ended up winning by choking him out, by getting him into a headlock, and using his own arm to cover his mouth and nose. Sometimes you don’t need fancy technical techniques - you just need to understand how the body works and what it requires - such as oxygen. What I did wasn’t fancy by any means, but it sure as hell worked.

[@OneThousandBirds]

On to things that never happened 😂😂

[@shimoda3339]

@@OneThousandBirds nice try you little troll. It happened, with or without your approval 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@swappedoutZ71]

Flexibility can make you a difficult person to submit, even if you are lacking skill. Those moves simply don't hurt when you have high level Flexibility

[@stillwatercamargo9606]

this never happened lol

[@Oracle_insight]

This is why I have my son wrestle and focus on wrestling over BJJ. I fought mma as a purple belt years ago and got rag dolled by a Russian who had been wrestling his whole life. I legit thought I would submit him but his base and strength amazed me. It humbled me and made me rethink BJJ and the whole flow rolling thing they do and decided to start learning more wrestling and being more aggressive. I train with wrestlers now and they push me way harder than BJJ guys did.

[@jixs2033]

doesnt the intensity of how hard the people u rolled with in BJJ also depend on the school you go to and how they push you harder?

[@Oracle_insight]

@@jixs2033 most don’t like to go hard and tell you to relax and flow more.. I took one of my students who is a white belt in BJJ but wrestled his whole life and some college to an open mat at a BJJ gym and he was smashing everyone including a black belt. He got yelled at by one guy for going to hard.

[@jixs2033]

@@Oracle_insight I guess thats really unfortunate then. The gyms in my area are really intense and actually encourage to go hard but a little easy with ankle locks and such

[@Oracle_insight]

@@jixs2033 what gym?

[@jixs2033]

@@Oracle_insighti go to a gym in newjerseyt called Kevin Sheridans BJJ, and there is another one thats really good called Bodega BJJ(no gi)

[@danielgavin7285]

It makes sense, the top level wrestlers are better athletes. I think in the future bjj will catch up, but right now wrestling is above it.

[@jimsmith2844]

It won't happen. Because bjj guys like to flop on their back and spread their legs like women.

[@ManningOWNsTeboww]

Huh? I don’t think so. Wrestling will always be superior. Bjj you lay on your back, wrestling you are always trying to maintain better positioning

[@matthewlee8618]

Yeah bjj will never catch up other than if not for longevity since wrestling you train twice a day HARD so your body breaks down by the age of 19 you’re struggling pretty bad

[@fredk6992]

@@ManningOWNsTeboww i think we will see more hybrid aggressive submission focused wrestlers like Chimaev,

[@angusbeefballfro]

BJJ is too relaxed and like a place where some people smoke weed and don’t really value conditioning or discipline. Compare that to wrestling programs throughout the country and it’s not even a contest. BJJ would have to spread to schools and adopt a tougher and more strict atmosphere.

[@OldFashioned751]

He’s a stud. Rare breed of sportsman that just have it.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

The interesting thing to note here, is that a BJJ instructor, even an old one, could hold his own against a young athletic wrestling phenom. Goes to show how important BJJ is no matter what.

[@amck72]

I don`t think that instructor would have finished locked in had Bo didn`t roll previously for over 45 minutes with the whole school.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@amck72 Sure, that's also a factor, but if you're in great shape and young, technique is more of a factor than how tired you are. I remember rolling for hours in wrestling and BJJ when I was younger.

[@JaysSavvy]

I've heard it said that a lifelong wrestler is basically a Blue or Purple belt. Which makes elite wrestlers brown, maybe?

[@TheBiffsterLife]

The one looks like a ginger

[@JaysSavvy]

@@TheBiffsterLife A Ginger that's finished everyone he's come up against with relative ease. Especially Pickett. Probably his easiest fight. The dude gets beat up by no-name nobodies pretty easily. Of course Bo finished him in the first. Then, like a typical blahdude, he tried to pretend he got cheated. He did the same thing against Tiuliulin. He claimed he got nuttshotted - took his time - and still got finished. That claim is his M.O. You just don't like white people so you ignore the fact that Pickett cries about nuttshots every time he is losing.

[@mikegold3130]

It’s all grappling. Think about a talented wrestler, they might’ve started wrestling at age 10, competed all throughout middle school and highschool, then graduates and at 18 he’s going into jiu jitsu with almost a decade of grappling experience where most blue and purple belts in jiu jitsu have maybe 2-5 years of training. That’s why competitions usually make rules about wrestlers competing in white and blue belt tournaments. It isn’t fair to pure jiu jitsu athletes because they are forced to compete against guys who have double or triple the amount of grappling experience.

[@GrugginNClubbin]

Lmfao youre clowing right.

[@JaysSavvy]

@Austyn Deitch Why would I be? Wrestlers dominate Jujitsu players, regularly.

[@dannygibson2597]

I like Bo but I think he's starting to believe his own hype a little too much. He's 100% been tapped out in training 100 times if he's training with real guys, but he's not talking about that. He's playing into this invincibility thing when he should just be humble.

[@Jamesbradley001]

@@user-bb4xk6bb7nxxxvery specific rule set where Gordon couldn’t attack the legs and had to stand with him. Pure submission grappling match and Gordon would destroy Bo

[@kallepikku4991]

Pure MMA fight USADA destroys Gordon.

[@mothergoose4231]

exactly,,, he said he never trained bjj according to this interview and beat everyone but the instructor,,,, total BS

[@mothergoose4231]

he knows bjj now of course he does well. but hes claiming here he never trained bjj and walks in a gym and estroyed everyone. total bs @@user-bb4xk6bb7nxxx

[@BANcuckholdery]

Unpopular opinion: I think he really is that good. I think he probably has been tapped before, especially when he first started out, but now can tap 99% of the guys he's ever gone against on a consistent basis.

[@dannypope1860]

Wrestling is THE MOST important fighting skill.

[@fernandotvchannel]

Great interview you let Bo speak

[@JDPodcastClips]

Thanks for watching!

[@ProudFilthyCasual]

That's a generous thumbnail, from a match he ultimately lost to the BJJ practitioner.

[@santinoorozco7872]

Bo is hands-down, a great wrestler and fighter, there’s no argument there. I raise my eyebrow at the kids fighting after a wrestling tournament and I’m definitely raising my eyebrow to getting his purple belt just because he ran through a white and blue Belt. Either that academy is handing out favors or there’s some sprinkles on the truth.

[@khomarimoses2513]

Lol you've clearly never rolled with a great wrestler. I came in and could go with purple belts and a brown and I'm no where near bo level. But I can tap blue belts pretty easy.

[@Darko1.0]

He didn’t get a purple belt he faced one

[@sevourn]

Out of all the out of shape hobbyist essentially helpless attendance purple belts I've seen Bo Nickal having a purple belt is the last thing BJJ needs to worry about

[@bobbypendleton1055]

bro he didnt get a purple he is saying they threw a purple belt at him to face him

[@awerawer0708]

where did you hear that he got a purple belt? he mentioned he faced white, blue, purple, brown and black belt. then after the black belt match the instructor gave him his shirt as a kind gesture, never said anything about receiving a belt

[@evannatteford1784]

bro said ABQ New Mexico and I now understand why he's such a savage, fair play Bo if you can survive growing up in that city the UFC should be a cake walk.

[@jaykwonzzz]

Ask Bo how he did when he faced Gordon in a modified rules sub grappling match.

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

@jayk Exactly. He refused to engage with Gordon, didn't attempt or get any takedowns (except the one that Gordon gave him), and got tapped out the first time they went to the mat. Gordon would maul this cat 10/10 submission wrestling matches.

[@lyricyst2000]

He did pretty fucking amazing considering he wrestles and fights at 185. Mad respect for even going against the 240lb GOAT of BJJ...

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

@@lyricyst2000 Amazing? Did you watch it? They danced around in a collar tie for 10 minutes and Bo didn't do anything.

[@TheCarloslucerna]

@@scotiacrumpler2824I mean, Gordon is the best grappler of all time, what do you expect?

[@scott7684]

great

[@ticesine6589]

Finally people will start to realize there are martial arts out there that beat ju jitsu everytime.

[@fredcharlotte]

It really just depends on how you make the ruleset. If you make the ruleset where all the points come from passing guards and reversing bottom positions etc, then Jiu-Jitsu is going to win. If you make the ruleset where takedowns score all the points, then wrestling is going to win. If you say "It's a fight" but the only thing allowable as a way to end the fight is a submission then Jiu-Jitsu is going to win (since most wrestling doesn't focus on training submissions) but if you allow slams and strikes then wrestling is just as likely. It's like saying that a sniper rifle is better than a machine gun; in one setting it definitely is and in another setting it definitely isn't.

[@ticesine6589]

@@fredcharlotte and even after your explanation bjj works in competition but not nearly as well on the street. Anyone tried that stuff on the ground without a ref would get eye gouged and bit . Yes it does depend like literally everything else in life. However look at Khabib ! There no excuse anyone can make , he's wrestling thats it ! And he took everyone. Brock lesner the same thing.

[@BANcuckholdery]

I love both wrestling and bjj, but it depends on the athletes and matchups. See Cain vs. Werdum

[@bjj_fighter]

I live in Missouri and roll with Elite wrestlers from mizzou. I’m a blue belt and 45. I tap them consistently until they have trained for a while. Wrestling and BJJ are not the same. I have a lot of respect for Bo. He is a great athlete. However anyone who watched him vs Gordon Ryan will see how scared he was to engage even with his requested rule set of no leg locks. He still got choked. It’s also worth noting that he has grappled his entire life so it wasn’t like he just walked in off the street.

[@D34DT34M]

1. Gordon was 50 lbs heavier and on steroids. 2. Gordon is literally the best in the world

[@jamespaul6315]

Gordon Ryan is terrified to do mma. Guarentee he gets starched brutally if he ever had the balls

[@fastnissan4531]

@bjj_fighter he would have his way with you as well , you wouldn’t be able to get position in any matter of time. That’s why he doesn’t engage with leg locks , he controls what happens his base is to stay on top and dominate the wrestling so you can’t use the bjj

[@animationdude9]

@@D34DT34Meveryone is on steroids if they’re competing for money lol

[@baldweezy2362]

What a legendary Colab. Hopefully this puts this podcast on the map. I love you guys on tik tok.

[@Johnnyrondi]

Thanks so much!

[@americandissident9062]

Up next: Football vs Rugby, how prime Bo Jackson destroyed an entire teenage Rugby squad.

[@Testeut]

Bo is a great storyteller and he definitely have a lot of good stories or anecdotes to tell, you should let him talk more without interrupting

[@vvdramavv]

his standup shocked tf out me, fanforlife

[@markstone6263]

Bo got destroyed against Gordon and there weren't even leg locks OR pulling guard allowed. If they did a straight up BJJ match Bo would get embaressed. He is a great wrestler but please don't act like he can take a high level black belt in a straight bjj match. One day hopefully he will be able to be on that level and he will be unstoppable in MMA but right now his ground skills aren't there yet.

[@boxingformma4543]

BJJ is the only form of combat Gordon beats him at.

[@gperry89]

@@boxingformma4543 that's the only form of combat Gordon trains lol

[@boxingformma4543]

@@gperry89 True, Bo is the superior combat athlete of the two.

[@markstone6263]

@@boxingformma4543 u never know. Gordon could just pull guard in a real fight

[@truthseekerKJV]

If they wrestled, Gordon would be made to look like a scrub.

[@lefroy1]

So many UFC fighters are hype-monsters (MCGregor, Paddy the Baddy etc) who seem to get pushed forward because of their yap. It's so refreshing to see someone coming to the fore on raw talent. I am excited to see this man's inevitable rise far more than those others.

[@juntjoonunya9216]

Haha that's so cool. I've been one of those students with a blue belt watching this new wrestler kill everyone and this was not even a Bo Nichol.

[@MD-zm6sn]

I'm one of these guys too that just picked it up all really quick and I've been fighting everybody my whole life too. I swear we're evolved for it, it's in the shape of our skulls. My head looks just like this dude's head.

[@hashslingingslasher9232]

Dude got wrecked in bjj by gordan and is bragging about passing hobbyists guards at some random school good job man youve proved wrestling is superior

[@Kelvanus]

Literally ran away from Gordon the entire time in what was supposed to be a grappling contest

[@arefrigerator396]

This dude being the modern day Musashi.

[@cromdaleblvd4677]

it took a juice head tuekey like Gordon Ryan to submit Bo Nickal...... Bo is a beast!

[@birblife6611]

He’s fighting kids in the hallways while Dagestani kids are taking on bears.

[@brycehouse3544]

Im a huge fan of Bo, but I’ma have to raise my eyebrow at the fighting at wrestling tournaments story 😂 as a lifelong wrestler myself, 20-30 kids congregating to watch each other fist fight? Ain’t no way one of the many parents or coaches doesn’t hear that and stop that shit. And Bo, the coaches son, plus from a deeply conservative Christian household being involved in those shenanigans? Ain’t no wayyyyy that shit would fly. His ass would have been grass if his folks caught him involved in that AT A TOURNAMENT Love Bo but sounds like some hyperbole at best😂

[@mikegold3130]

I agree, maybe they just wrestled around after tournaments with his friends and it occasionally got out of hand, but I’m not buying the whole 20/30 kids fist fighting in a private room thing. You’re telling me not 1 of the 30 kids told, or got questioned as to why there face is busted up. Bo is a savage he has no reason to lie but that story has got to be 🧢

[@Therealstrikeforce]

I thought the same thing , sounds like cap 🧢

[@r.galbraith6220]

Same. Grew up wrestling the USAW circuit and high school. He's full of sh!t.

[@HB448]

A lot happens at these overnight tournaments but he might be exaggerating the definition of a fist fight. I’d imagine it being a rough spar

[@joes282828]

Ya it's complete bullshit. Where is the video? No one said anything about all the black eyes and bloody noses? When do the fights take place? Is it like right after ur first round match u have to go fight someone before u get ready for ur second round wrestling match? What did u do when someone got knocked out and then is supposed to wrestle or do these fights just take place when everyone is getting awards on the podium? Dude probably had 1 fist fight with some dork during lunch and spins it into high school fight club.

[@keitheireland]

People acting like this is surprising. Three time national champion who has been training since he was like 5. This guy is a world class athlete. He destroyed people on the wrestling mat.

[@IamG3X]

I havent seen wrestler with great hands in a long time. Bo has hands.

[@earthphoenix7068]

Its from the hallway fight club 😂

[@frankperrella1202]

Sambo & Wrestling top grappling system's, I trained 20 years All I use is Combat Sambo My Greco Roman Wrestling & Add in combat Systema for cherry on top. God bless 🙏

[@genkisudo5999]

He came to our school and tapped all the black belts within 20 second intervals. We have world champion adult black belts at our school and he ran through them all in Gi and No Gi. I honestly think he makes light work of Gordon Ryan and Craig Jones based on what we saw 💪 🔥 🥇

[@jakebarca1563]

He competed against Gordon Ryan and it was a total joke. He is no where near that level in BJJ

[@derrickrobinson7269]

That is not a good look my guy

[@JediNiyte]

Then your school needs HELP.

[@genkisudo5999]

That was a long time ago and we now know GR uses steroids. Bo is far better technically - I’ve seen it first hand

[@earthphoenix7068]

@@jakebarca1563Yeah Gordon is way bigger and a fucking roidhead now

[@IamDude2]

I have a judo, Rugby and weightlifting background, I’m tall and strong, because I’ve always enjoyed sport. I came into BJJ with some significant physical advantages compared to your average white through to purple belt, if I go all out my top pressure alone is enough to dominate most. Point is, I take no ego from that and none of that makes me any better at BJJ, grappling maybe but up against a higher belt or more experienced BJJ’er with similar physical stats, I’m dead in the water.

[@BANcuckholdery]

I'm in a similar situation. Now a blue belt. You have to REALLY drill open guard passes in order to hit that next level. I'm still working on it. That ability to maintain an awesome open guard is what separates the okay guys from the really good guys. You have to make them tired in that position, which looks way easier than it actually is.

[@cgaspara]

Should have kept that story to himself. Small gym and all beginners except a brown belt and one 50-60 year old black belt, really? He ran out of bounds the entire match against Gordon Ryan and then got choked. Hey Bo - you want to be the king of grappling try ADCC, that’s where we decide this.

[@noamto]

So a professional who trains 5-6 hours a day 6 days a week for a year and a half beat a group of people training an hour and a half once or twice a week as a hobby, how is that surprising exactly?? And a brown belt that gets gassed after 10 minutes of sparring? Sounds really odd.

[@rif5556]

I've trained for about 5 years or so, rolled with a dude who had 18 years of experience wrestling up to D3 college and one year of BJJ training. I had nothing really lol, I was able to keep him from subbing me but every sweep I hit (I think I got 2 sweeps lol) he almost immediately reversed lol. It's not entirely shocking to see someone with a dedicated 15+ years of grappling experience even with no BJJ training come in and put the pressure on someone who trains as a hobby for half the time lol.

[@anthonypu]

“Sophomore, Junior year college so 22, 23” the math ain’t mathing

[@amnfox]

He was probably gunning it too. These poor hobbyist are just getting off work and this is a form of decompression, then this man just decimates all their hopes and dreams.

[@animationdude9]

What hopes and dreams do they have if they’re only goal is to relieve stress through exercise? If anything he would help with that

[@amnfox]

@@animationdude9 them probably feeling like they are decent at BJJ and probably being pretty competitive amongst their gym and local tournament circuit, but then a person comes in that can't even spell Jiu-Jitsu and just shreds them all. They go from having this one thing they enjoy doing. That they feel like they are good at and then are suddenly and violently informed that they aren't shit and the person informing them is not even phased nor are they even a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner.

[@animationdude9]

@@amnfox seriously? If they can’t handle someone being better they shouldn’t have picked this up from the start. There are always going to be people who are objectively better than you. That’s how literally every fucking sport works. Letting that stop you from enjoying your hobby is no less stupid than saying you don’t like playing video games because there are pros who are better than you.

[@BANcuckholdery]

I'm a blue belt who has competed before, and I wrestled too. I'm about Nickal's size. If I went up against Bo Nickal with ANY OTHER GOAL other than to learn and humble myself (which is what BJJ is all about), then I would be a delusional clown. Even if this is your hobby, you should welcome the opportunity to roll with someone like Bo. 99% of us will never get that chance.

[@amnfox]

@@BANcuckholdery I've trained with elite guys, Aaron Pico, Ed Herman, Court Mcgee, Jaun Adams. It was always a pleasant experience training with high level guys. I'm not coming from a position of inexperience. I've also rolled with several pure wrestlers that come from a high level collegiate environment and EVERYTIME they were extremely aggressive and hurt the less experienced guys. Their ego is palpable. They've got something to prove.

[@tylertripp618]

People being surprised by groups of dudes fighting each other for fun lmao.

[@TheBjartulf]

Really excited about this guy after his last performance, the hype is real, gotta love it

[@frank8534]

How every kid think their first bjj experience will go lol Dude is a world class athlete. His cardio would best most bjj guys in general.

[@macgyvervanschwartzenstall4662]

Cael Sanderson had an interview I saw where he said something about "wrestling the way you play" (Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3bId6aLZ7h3aLs ). Kinda makes sense hearing it from both of them

[@coffeetalk924]

"Well done. Here's my sweaty smelly shirt"

[@kallepikku4991]

I feel sorry for those boys in the room. I know how bully mentality can take over at a bjj gym, especially against other wrestlers who come in for their first session. But holy dong, this is Bo Nickal, they should've kept their bully mentality checked this time. LoL.

[@Fukuro14]

It's not bully mentality in a lot of gyms people rotate this way.

[@leolichvela6020]

That was me in an Aikido class my dad took me once, after training for about a year in wrestling. We never went back. XD

[@fredcharlotte]

Heavy hands are the nemisis of Jiu-Jitsu folk everywhere. That shit will exhaust you in no time flat if you don't know how to deal with it.

[@rscriff416]

It's all grappling. Mark Schultz rolled with Rickson for an hour before Rickson submitted him. They just told Mark to roll and around and wrestle.....allegedly

[@mikegold3130]

Yup, the only guy who really melts wrestlers is Gordon but he’s the 1% of humans period

[@scal7122]

@@mikegold3130 yeah but didnt nicky rod the wrestler break his foot last time?

[@mikegold3130]

@@scal7122 Nicky rod was a good wrestler but not some d1 all American. What makes Nicky rod good is his jiu jitsu, he’s a freak athlete, he’s big, and he picked up jiu jitsu very fast. And he trained with the best guys in the world. His wrestling didn’t break Gordons foot, his jiu jitsu skill and strength did.

[@gsp3428]

@@mikegold3130 Bo did really well against him with almost no BJJ experience.

[@mikegold3130]

@@gsp3428 I mean, he did ok but think about why he did ok. Gordon wasn’t allowed to pull guard, and he wasn’t allowed to attack Bo’s legs. Bo did good but let’s be real, Gordon easily beats him 1000/1000 times and it’s never a close match.

[@throwler]

Another incredible athlete named Bo.

[@oldironsides4107]

The great Bo pelini

[@jonitalia5596]

We did this with football players at lunch in the wrestling gym. We put on boxing gloves and got our 112 two time state champ to beat the shit out of a d1 WR lol. He'd bring to the ground so fast and from there it was over lol!

[@jaykwonzzz]

So, you'd pit a wrestler against a wide receiver with no wrestling background and then get stoked when the wrestler would outwrestle a football player?

[@arielcruz6417]

He was 112 pounds. Why are you so snarky

[@a_vida_é_boa]

​@@jaykwonzzz exactly. Stupid comparison. I could see if the wrestler was going against a DL or LB

[@jaykwonzzz]

@@a_vida_é_boa Even then it's hard. I watched our 130 lbs. free safety wrestle our 200 lb. all state ILB and he made him look like a child. There's just such a massive difference between knowing how to wrestle and not knowing how to wrestle.

[@kallepikku4991]

Isn't this exactly the same thing as every bjj bluebelt drooling over "bjj vs wrestling" doing bjj videos? Easiest clickbaits ever.

[@st.thomasaquinas19]

never saw this collab coming

[@yoZayAnaya]

So True, During EVERY wrestling in Abq, NM. Go behind the bleachers after your match or waiting for your match and fight random Kids, teammates, or siblings!

[@jefft7705]

It shows that knowledge is power. But like they say, wrestling is the best base for MMA

[@chenwang643]

im a mid level blue belt and rolled with a d3 wrestler ohio state champ, 185lbs of machine, 19 years old, im 24, and yeah he could take me down but on the ground he knew nothing, we have a 17 year old blue belt that tapped him 3 times lmao

[@keenanschouten2582]

I beat 2 purple belt and one white at Renzo gracie academy my first day just because I took my squat to 550.

[@johnteds4761]

When I was in high school we had what we called "Rodesian Fight Club" where me and a bunch of other high schoolers would go onto the dirty wrestling mats and fight.

[@benjiboi6669]

I love how they showed the picture of him and Gordon like he didn’t get subbed in that match

[@4pittbullsacrossamerica4750]

We did king of the mat every practice

[@autoselectricos-americalat9276]

It would be great for Bo to go to Dagestan and train on how to trap opponent legs with his own legs. That would make him a complete wrestler.

[@TheSpeakEZPodcast]

Great stuff guys

[@GenghisKhan311]

Bo ability to direct another's body is genius. I've seen wrestling maTches were his opponents had no idea where he was at.😂 bo's a freak stud

[@Gainsforlife]

a college wrestler is equivalent to a brown belt in my opinion. an elite seasoned college wrestler can definitely roll with a black belt too might not win but can definitely hold their own

[@craigferguson1461]

Anyone who trains BJJ knows a high level college wrestler will give black belts a rough time. A world class wrestler like Bo will be a problem for anyone. Grappling is grappling. Respect to wrestlers.

[@mysteryzefy8360]

The fight club at a wrestling tournament is crazy

[@Gimmeabreak460]

I’m a jiu jitsu guy and I have no problem saying that I wish I would’ve wrestled growing up because wrestling is superior. Period

[@dylanbrown3840]

A D1 wrestler is a Balck belt in grappling

[@MrSinBADDY]

Literally modern day version of Musashi vs the Yoshioka school

[@romeoromero808]

The drink master has a podcast now!!! Yes!!!

[@genghiskhan7041]

It's a fact: wrestlers do love to fight.

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

@Genghis. Not all of them. I've seen a lot of D1 wrestlers come through our mma gym and tore dudes up on the ground but didn't want any part of getting punched in the face.

[@darenevans2828]

He is a old school American boy. This is how I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah. Don't ever discount those Utah boys😂

[@danpats1]

How’s bragging camp going?

[@jayedits2815]

My man just completed a side quest

[@zachmorgan6982]

I know that you aren't suppose to talk about practice but I'll make the exception for a ufc prodigys awesome jiu-jitsu story

[@Olet-true1]

Bo realised he was a fighter once, he realised he would never make your usa olympic wrestling team. The true - ole t

[@patricija4179]

That's a crazy bad BJJ school

[@user-re3fd6jl5k]

Bo Nickal vs Rickson Gracie who wins?