Wristlocks Worth Training for MMA? ft.

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[@indefenceofthetraditionalma]

So many people forget that martial arts are supposed to be fun

[@leszekparczyk9732]

Good video!

[@Selfdefensegab]

Excellent! I love your philosophy of training. You explained very well that to pull off the crazy techniques you need good and solid fundamentals. I've actually taken down a wrestler who got 2nd at the Pan American Championships at his weight class in Freestyle with a Kotegaeshi. But that's only possible because I've been training combat sports for so long... If I've only had my black belt in Aikido it would've never worked! Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!

[@martialgeeks]

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[@NYTomiki]

Yes, wrist locks are mainly kuzushi. But wrist locks w/o atemi (i.e. in a purely grappling context) will always result in an inadequate analysis. The way wrist locks are supposed to work is as a counter/deterrent to wrist control and lapel and sleeve grips, positions integral to no-gi and Gi grappling respectively, so you can avoid the tie and get back to… Atemi.

[@martialgeeks]

Yes! I think from my experience so far, in pure grappling it's easier to get wristlocks more often but to a lower result; distraction, kuzushi, posture break etc. While in mma type sparring the window for them will be smaller but the moment you get it right after good atemi, people literally fly to the floor

[@Vicariously_gifted]

Worth training in your down time after the majority of your training ia done. As i have said before, anymore than 5 mins a day is a waste That being said knowing proper techniques for uncommon techniques could steal you a win.

[@martialgeeks]

Well yeah, that's the whole point, love that you seem to finally see what we're all about here, as you've previously on a few occasions pushed strawman arguments on us as if we were some unrealistic mystical aikido people...while we never claimed that... infact I always held pretty much the same position as now and vocalised it many many times. Ps. Imma push back on the "waste of time" ; some people do it just for fun with no intention on learning actual fighting, as long as they're honest it's fine, to them it's not a waste of time

[@onemanstampede9881]

Next time we live stream, I will make sure not to sound like someone who smokes more than you.

[@Vicariously_gifted]

@@martialgeeks no no. The amount of time you spend talking about wrist locks is wasting time. Let alone trianing them. No strawman here.

[@orsat.ursus.strazicic]

@@Vicariously_gifted Being a warrior is also being a philosopher. . . I do not see his talking about wristlocks a waste of time and I can assure you that he does them extremely well, for I still got damage from those very same wristlocks but lucky for me, warriors do heal rather fast and endure damage better than the untrained ones. . .

[@martialgeeks]

Seeing how you first appeared on this channel with writing "lame" in the comments and after that proceeded to move goal posts and misrepresent my positions...I thought we were making some progress here 🤷‍♂️. Anyways thanks for the engagement! 💪👌

[@AikiCircus]

1. There are only two wrist locks in Aikido: nikkyo and kotegaeshi. The first one is used to access the shoulder when ikkyo fails for some reason (straight hand). Kotegaeshi (and shihonage) are used on the belt level when ikkyo is not reasonable. They are used to temporarily lock the arm and shoulder structure for disbalancing the attacker. Both are just tools and do not have any standalone value. I doubt these can be somehow utilized in BJJ. In any case, they'll have a different purpose there. 2. Rocas can be only mentioned as an example of a failed Aikido practitioner who has no understanding of even basic principles. Unfortunately, he calls himself a sensei and many people outside of Aikido believe him.

[@martialgeeks]

Why do you doubt that they can be utilized when we have seen them be utilized by many bjj practitioners in competition, you can spot a kotegaeshi performed even in enshin karate. Btw calling Rokas out in that way is just another example of a no true scottsman fallacy, his aikido training wasn't at all good but that's no fault of his...bad schools exist in any art and aikido has probably the worst track record of that

[@AikiCircus]

@@martialgeeks As I've said, wrist locks are just auxiliary tools in Aikido and Aikijujutsu. We do not pay much attention to them. And yes, nikkyo and kotegaeshi are used in almost every Japanese or Chinese martial art. Though wrist locks have their own interesting aspects to study, I cannot agree with the quite popular opinion that Aikido is about wrist and elbow locks. It is not. Aikijujutsu is even more far away from that. They utilize aiki age aiki sage, and that is more than enough for them.

[@martialgeeks]

@AikiCircus I agree that seeing aikido as such is an innacurate and reductionist view, that's why I never claimed that it is an "only writlock art"