Writer Who TALKED To LUIGI MANGIONE Was BEWILDERED After CEO's Death

[@ivymae4410]

There is so much more to this story. We are being gaslit . Would love to hear more from Luigi himself

[@reinaa7450]

I don’t think he will ever be allowed to speak. 😢

[@peterstafford4426]

He had a manifesto that said very little. The guy is a nut.

[@MemoryChronicles]

@@peterstafford4426how do you know it’s his manifesto? The police apprehended him and he happened to have ALL the evidence they needed to lock him up? Ok! Continue to believe your shady government…

[@keithbell9348]

Agreed. I don't know who this guy is, but we need to hear from a behavioral psychologist who has the opportunity to sit down with Luigi and hear what Luigi says for himself.

[@elogiud]

@@peterstafford4426 , how do you know what the 'manifesto' said? You only know what the mainstream media wanted to tell you; truth or not...

[@AGirlofYesterday]

Honestly, Luigi Mangione sounds like the sanest person I've read about in the news recently, including our elected politicians.

[@polluxtroy1310]

I agree! He has so much potential. He should not waste away in the prison system. Free Luigi! He is our hero!

[@casey1756]

I was thinking the same thing until I heard genetic inheritance trauma

[@debbiefiuza]

Did you even do a google search about this? It seems legit.

[@Globe-m6z]

Totally agree. And due to his youth, he is still untainted unlike all of the politicians and CEOs around.

[@debleigh1249]

So sane that he would shoot somebody in the back in cold blood. 😳🤦🏻‍♀️🙄

[@globalcitizenn]

Everyone says about Luigi he was warm, sweet, kind, intelligent, thoughtful, caring, open minded, well read, athletic, inclusive, empathetic, wanted to help the world, worried about society’s future, looked for solutions

[@andreaandrea6716]

Yes!

[@SekhmetHathorSage]

he's a time traveler who came to adjust the future!

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@SekhmetHathorSage Best comment ever!!!!! ❤

[@user-sh5qv5kv1r]

Epigenetics is NOT pseudoscience! This statement infuriated me. I work in the STEM field and have studied genetics and biology professionally. Epigenetics is my favorite genetic focus.

[@mrcsrkcrz]

Hes talking about Epigenetic Trauma specifically. Not Epigenetics in general I believe... Still a stretch to call it pseudoscience, but I believe it hasn't really been proven yet that Trauma can be passed genetically, specially that it therefore couldn't be worked on which is the actual point.

[@brandonadler1022]

And STILL no bodycam footage of his arrest and search, and they seemed so proud of capturing him.

[@carolinemhurleyful]

And you would think there would be footage since it was in McDonald's..

[@dustywoood]

To be fair, and I hate to defend the Government's side but with most high profile crimes from my observation, we usually don't see bodycam footage until 1-2 years later. I follow a lot of Bodycam style pages, I believe most become available once it's shown in Court or released in Information Requests that become eligible after a specific period of time.

[@BadAssElf810]

@@dustywoood What is the reason the government and police do not release them for so long after the crime and the trial??

[@mishakafaka6180]

@@BadAssElf810 its called due process...

[@jamess9670]

Yeah this seems very sus to me

[@donaldjohnson-y6n]

No, he did not meet him. He had conversations with him over the internet and possibly the phone. He has not met him. People no longer seem to acknowledge the difference.

[@andreaandrea6716]

Well said!

[@BrianDeCosta]

Having a long, deep video call with someone isn't meeting them? You must see them in person? To smell them I guess? Small brain comment

[@mtaylor7307]

Many companies interview and hire using online options without in-person contact.

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@mtaylor7307 It doesn't mean they 'know' the person. There is a rather substantial difference.

[@brandytorretta3701]

Psychotherapist here…generational trauma is absolutely inherited AND at the same time we can absolutely take action to heal it. Multiple truths can exist at the same time, it’s called dialectical thinking. Ultimately, your perspectives and beliefs are creating your perceived reality along with the physical manifestations of that perceived reality. Luigi is an intelligent person. He took a drastic measure to highlight a real problem impacting people’s lives and quality of life. There are results, or consequences, (both positive and negative) to our actions. Both the CEO and Luigi are examples of that. So the question is…what result are you wanting when you make a decision? The CEO chose his path and so did Luigi. Their paths diverged and it brought to light the unethical practices insurance companies have been doing for years at the expense of human life. Hopefully positive change will happen because our health shouldn’t be a profit-based business. Healthcare is a basic human right.

[@mlr4524]

I think you have the beginning of a book in these two paragraphs. So succinct and on point. The public and folks in this thread seem to be having some difficulty in separating out these thoughts, but you have encapsulated the central issue(s) perfectly (i.e., multiple truths). I actually worked at UHC years ago so it has been quite surreal.

[@lightdestiny7]

Thank you for your input.

[@cherryorchard5600]

Your first paragraph was brilliant. The second makes huge error in assuming LM killed BT which I don’t think we can do with all of the contradictions and impossibilities surrounding the supposed “evidence” and alleged pictures of the shooter. I do not believe LM is the shooter of BT. I will concede that LM was probably involved or at least aware or BT imminent death. LM may be part of a group, Patty Hearst comes to mind. Could it be possible that he also got kidnapped or willingly involved himself with some sort of cult or bad actors?

[@loretoparungao8507]

Keep praying for Luigi

[@AmandaBloom-jd2po]

💯💯💯

[@laurat4977]

I am withholding judgement on Mangione until the trial. I think there's a lot we don't yet know. All I know is that I can't stop feeling sympathy for Luigi, even if he did commit this crime.

[@josephgabriel2336]

Yeah, hard to think bad of a cold blooded murderer. I can understand

[@alierem4266]

You have got to be joking, big time. Sympathy for the killer of a family man? When he was killed, CEO was intended to be the target. Guess what, the CEO was a husband and a father. Is sympathy not due for the CEOs family and the extended family members? Killers get punished, as Luigi will be no different --unless some miracle that nobody is aware is awaiting to surface-. A gun, a video, manifesto and a killer who very much appear to be saine. What's more is his non-denial of this crime.

[@craftykittydesigns]

@@alierem4266because that’s just what the media is saying, because that’s the info the cops are giving. So you’re telling me someone of Luigi’s education, who was able to track down that ceo and perfectly time his k1ll, escape casually and elude cops for days… Was suddenly found just hanging out at McDonald’s while still holding all of the evidence in the backpack that was somehow also left at Central Park with Monopoly money in it. It just doesn’t add up. Innocent until proven guilty. That evidence was likely planted.

[@LuisQuartz]

@@alierem4266 How many husbands and fathers do you think died, suffered, or went bankrupt thanks to having their claims denied for the sake of a bottom line?

[@laurat4977]

@@alierem4266 I'm not joking at all and I never said I had no sympathy for the CEO. You're making lots of assumptions and they're wrong.

[@spivackl]

"He (Luigi) was interested in solutions." Well, that's one way to put it.

[@andybrice2711]

The assassination does appear to have had a significant positive impact on health insurance policy too. United and other companies quite quickly rolled back a number of their more questionable new practices. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

[@weirdsoupcartoonsyeah]

@@andybrice2711it's obvious how to feel about it. happy.

[@jvanek8512]

What happened in New Orleans is exactly why people should not support Luigi. In Jabbar's mind he felt all those people deserved it. People who support Luigi don't understand that they could be a "Brian Thompson" in the eyes of someone else.

[@nataliewalton8590]

He's wrong no matter what

[@sweeteverglades8381]

@@andybrice2711no it doesn’t Lol

[@CristinaSantos-pw4pt]

Freedom for Luigi

[@mr2981]

Freedom for a cold blooded assassin caught on camera? Uh, no.

[@richardkule9384]

Pardon Me?

[@ThoriumBorium]

​@@mr2981absolutely yes. They'll never find a jury to convict him.

[@MrFuzzy6969]

Free Luigi

[@Orson2u]

PRISON for Mangione!

[@violetzitola8385]

Interesting discussion, but all credibility was lost when the guest flatly dismissed all of Moore's work as propaganda. Yes, Moore does present complex issues in a simplified way, but this makes these ideas accessible to those who don't have the time or energy to read thousands of pages of research papers.

[@marieb5251]

Well said. Also, Moore has strong convictions, so naturally he will try to prove his point in his work. That is not propaganda. This guy is a know it all and super annoying. I wish he'd go away, but he's milking his brush with fame as much as he can.

[@julieneild4505]

THANK YOU! His documentary " SICKO" is free on KZbin. He took a bunch of people to Cuba ( couldn't get in to Gitmo ) to get free/low cost health care. One woman I believe has COPD, she got inhalers for 5 cents! Another guy got brand new dentures. How is this propaganda?

[@VanillaMacaron551]

His Planet of the Humans or whatever it was called was just BS. He drank the fossil fuel Kool Aid for that one.

[@karenconley9807]

You said precisely what I wanted too.

[@fatnano]

“Propaganda” is overkill

[@Rakscha-Sun]

10:03 This is not true. In Germany doctors can give priority to the cases that they think are most dangerous. So yes in a free healthcare system there can be long waiting lists, but only for the stuff that is not so important.

[@carleynorthcoast1915]

He's not talking about Germany.

[@patdent]

He's talking complete nonsense. If healthcare is free then more people want it? So does that mean British people are feigning illness because healthcare is free? I believe that he spoke to Mangione, but I don't think he gained any insight into Mangione's thinking at all. He presents as bumbling, inarticulate and very dim about human psychology.

[@manoo2056]

He thinks he is less crazy than Luigi just because. If killing people make you crazy then what is the army?

[@orrion67]

​@manoo2056 there's a clear difference. One is in protection of nation and allies the other is motived by negative emotions and intentions

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

That's what triage is for in every emergency room no? They don't do that in American hospitals?

[@terrathunderstorms3701]

We don't even know if Luigi did it or not do we? The law is supposed to hold you innocent until proven guilty. I can't help but agree that so many news outlets are acting like this because the victim was rich. They're looking for a scalp, and are acting as if he's guilty no question, and they might get him exonerated through mistrial if a jury of his peers don't free him first, guilty or not.

[@reinemarais4392]

Trauma is intergenerational through nurture, not necessarily nature. In other words, it affects the attitude of a parent who has experienced trauma and that may impact offspring.

[@inforuimteschip5970]

Yea to state with certainty it doesn't exist it quite short sighted in my opinion. Especially to someone who might believe he is going through it. I mean there all kinds of developments in science going on that might subscribe to this idea. And we know very little about the nature of well anything really, i mean not even consciousness, and as it goes for trauma i'm a big fan of Gabor Mate and he describes intergenerational trauma very simply and effectively.

[@greasher926]

Also this is the first time I’ve heard Epigenetics being described as pseudoscience. You existed as an egg inside of your grandmother via the fetus of your mother. My understanding is that there are stressors that can affect gene expression during this stage. But in terms of psychological trauma, I think nurture plays a bigger role and being raised by traumatized parents can have huge effects on one’s psyche.

[@nillyk5671]

Epigenetics suggests otherwise, but what do I know? Based on my own observations, I believe the balance between nature and nurture varies from person to person and thus the percentages.

[@truthseeker2222]

It’s both, trauma imprints in dna.

[@OneLine122]

Research suggests it is more than that but we don't know the extent of it. Gene expression can be passed down to some degree. That guy is just ignorant, but he's right that it would not be like generational wealth.

[@mmarone333]

So now, after taking in this interview, there are two very suspicious matters concerning Luigi’s arrest. The interviewee says quite convincingly that Luigi possesses an intellect that is much superior to the contents of the alleged manifesto. That he was well read, and that the brevity of the handwritten note of 262 words was unequal to the person with whom he spoke for two hours. And then there’s the matter of Luigi saying to the judge that he didn’t know where the money came from that was allegedly found in his possession. MSNBC reported this from the courtroom. Anyone familiar with policing knows that cops *routinely* plant evidence on suspects - all the time. Cops will even admit this as a tactic. This appears to be the NYPD flouting their immunity from any kind of oversight. They were clearly embarrassed after unsuccessfully being able to capture a killer who remained kn the run for over five days. And despite having a $6 billion budget of a small army in the most surveilled city in the world. Not that efficient to say the least. The more one ponders this case the more it seems they’ve overplayed their hand and may be involved in some kind of coverup. Wouldn’t be the first time. This capitalist dystopia of America is so deeply corrupt. Healthcare being administered by insurance companies who directly profit from denying people the help they need is just one facet of many. Everyone is on the take, when you can just buy people off with all the illicit, blood money swirling around.

[@OfficialXa3on]

This is exactly what I've been saying too. I personally think they lost the actual killer in Central Park. And because they needed someone to ease the concerns of other ceos, when the McDonald's person in another state said they think Luigi is the killer (which is laughable because the original security pic you can barely see his face), the cops just showed up and was like, yup! It's him! And planted evidence.

[@rjl5759]

​@OfficialXa3on you really believe that? His little outburst going to court said everything but "I'm guilty."

[@BadAssElf810]

@@rjl5759 How so? A person who was wrongly accused of a capital crime would be angry don't you think? He was shouting something "is an insult to the intelligence of the public" which seems to fit also with an arrest made on such flimsy facial recognition based on the televised picture that showed only his eyes. Despite this I have an open mind and believe he is likely the culprit.

[@user-ti3vp9mt3z]

Yes, cops are crooked. They'll do anything to put another notch on their belts.

[@jamess9670]

Im convinced they planted evidence. I saw a video a while back of a cop planting drugs in a car during a traffic stop. He caught it on his own bodycam! And guess what, no consequences for the cop. To me, there zero chance they caught Luigi with all that incriminating evidence on his person. It’s insulting to our intelligence that they’re trying to make us believe they did

[@donrayjay]

I think I’ll take Michael Moore over this chump, and I’ll take the NHS over US casino-style healthcare

[@merrynwatts]

100% agree. The Australian healthcare system is also fantastic

[@LyndenAdaire-fi1yk]

Feels like self defense -- stay away from it -- say thank you for the diagnosis, pay up, and walk away from most " experimental " drug treatments.

[@MaryPearce-m2s]

This seems to suggest that the manifesto was a plant.

[@exiledhebrew1994]

the shooter from the vid seems to be of anglo or ayrian European ancestry; luigi looks half arab

[@goldenopportunity31]

Luigi has Sicilian ancestry which means he’s mixed race Arab, Greek, Roman, etc.

[@thegreypath1777]

@MaryPearce-m2s : That’s what this guy is seeming to suggest. He talked to Luigi a couple of times, and now he acts like he knows all about Luigi.

[@dinkster1729]

What Mangione would say to a fellow well-read person would be different from what he would say in a manifesto directed to the masses, right? You have to know your audience and write for your audience.

[@MaryPearce-m2s]

@dinkster1729 Good point. But that's if Mangione is the shooter. Imao, all the evidence was planted.

[@mexicoparacristo6058]

Free Luigi is what the american people want.

[@decemberkat]

💛FreeLuigi NOW✨ Universal Healthcare✨

[@jonwalter6317]

So you are ok if someone from Brian Thompson's family takes the same action against Luigi? After all, if being upset about how someone runs their business is justification for Luigi's action, then Luigi's action would certainly be justification for him receiving the same treatment.

[@rinfal3337]

I like Luigi more than I like this guest

[@Rabbitsarewonderful]

It never seems to occur to the guest that the manifesto was not written for intellectuals. It was written for the everyman and everywoman who is struggling with a vicious healthcare machine. And calling a Michael Moore a "propagandist" says way more about the guest than about Michael Moore or Luigi. The guest came off as a total snob.

[@PaulaVirany]

Does anyone else think the security photos don't look that much like him?

[@the_om_project]

The shooter looks completely different. Not the youth hostel guy, similar in that one but that’s not the shooter. Youth hostel guy was just someone in a mask.

[@maggieh3369]

The one with the smile doesn't even look like luigi

[@Acesahn]

His eyebrows grew twice as bushy in a matter of days if its really him...

[@meribelgoldwin]

Absolutely

[@meribelgoldwin]

​@@Acesahnthat's not possible because he got a glow up in PA and was in court 4 days later, no bushy unibrow.

[@once_upon_a_canopy_tree]

There are sometimes long waits to see a doctor in US too depending on where you go. To see a specialist, several weeks to months depending on your issue. This is my own personal experience.

[@dinkster1729]

There are not enough medical personnel particularly when more people are covered under the Affordable Care Act. We have the same issue in Canada. Not enough medical personnel and not enough intelligent medical personnel so the care we get is often substandard. For profit healthcare won't help our situation. It'll just make it more expensive.

[@victoriao1828]

If you have money, or insurance. From experience, specialist won't see you without payment. Emergency care will take you to court and bankrupt you.

[@angelirika]

Mine too

[@TemerityPascal]

🎯🎯Exactly. Need a colonoscopy? You’ll wait 3-6 months even if you have every ability to pay. Need mental health care? Good luck finding a therapist who accepts your insurance and has a waitlist shorter than a couple of months.

[@nelsonth]

If you don't have enough money, then waiting time is infinite

[@ratcitywoodwork]

"So what went wrong ?" Nothing, unless you mean getting caught. Luigi is a good man and he did what he did for his country. He made a sacrifice so we all might have better lives.

[@meribelgoldwin]

Allegedly. And evidence points to something completely different.

[@patdent]

I'm not believing this person's insight at all. His comment on the British health service is completely nonsensical. He obviously didn't figure out anything about Luigi's thought processes.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

I really think Luigi didnt do it. NYPD got the wrong person.

[@Sars88]

It's all fake. A sham. It's another govt/elite power move to cause divide within the people.. its all part of their plan. Just one step of many that have already happened and many yet to come. All in order to get closer to the main goal. New world order.

[@runfayalife]

How could he have? Guns are illegal in NYC.

[@TehKaiser]

Both the conference location and the CEO's specific choice of place to sleep are not things you could find publicly on the internet. The conference was for analysts and institutional investors. Meaning motley fool or big banks types of people. And the hotel was not the conference venue.

[@a-liberal-patriot]

Oh, yeah! That was proven by the perp walk, the overlords wanted to prove their power by taking him to his crucifixion.

[@a.b.creator]

The city's videos they showed, him leaving the hostel...he would have had to make a 19 minute walk in 30 seconds to a minute. Those are two different guys. It wasn't him.

[@Ion_sound]

Epigenetics is not pseudoscience. And it’s not “in your genes” - epigenetics is about the environment that expresses the gene. Environment changes, genetic expression changes.

[@jethrobodeen2957]

He did not say epigenetics as a field is pseudoscience - he said epigenetic trauma is pseudoscience (he's right).

[@judobreakdowns7616]

Correct and that is the pseudoscience that he disabused Luigi of. That was Luigi's belief that it was "in your genes".

[@chad9166]

Generational trauma is pseudoscience.

[@audreymerritt1522]

Generational trauma whether by nature or nurture is real. None of his family showed up in court. No matter what I did, my family would be there in person for me. Too many weird things about this case.

[@VMR8648]

@audreymerritt1522 - reminds me of the story of Jesus healing a blind man, and Jesus's disciples asked Jesus what the parents did for this man to be born blind. Generational trauma is REAL. Praying for his healing 🙏.

[@lindsayceara]

*FREE LUIGI* 🇺🇸

[@BrainROTContent21]

No.

[@jonwalter6317]

So you are ok if someone from Brian Thompson's family takes the same action against Luigi? After all, if being upset about how someone runs their business is justification for Luigi's action, then Luigi's action would certainly be justification for him receiving the same treatment.

[@Jade-jj5or]

Luigi is an intellect and very intelligent I feel like he knows something that we don't. Luigi saw something that he wasn't suppose too.I hope it gets revealed at trial.

[@gammaanteria]

Just because one "feels" something strongly doesn't make it accurate or true.

[@tulip2084]

@@gammaanteriaunless it is a genuine psychic impression.

[@eden_aumakua]

Stating that "I met the CEO assassin" is pretty bold, given that he's been convicted of NOTHING (yet).

[@mygrinningcat]

Oh the man has a book coming and subtly starting his marketing campaign now.

[@thomasgoodrich127]

That doesn't discredit what he's said.

[@ChrisMissal]

For real. He seems to be more concerned with "correcting" Luigi than reporting what he said.

[@marieb5251]

The guy is denigrating Luigi while chasing clout. I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes. Luigi is already a legend.

[@meribelgoldwin]

That's disgusting.

[@meribelgoldwin]

​@marieb5251exactly. 100. He is a joke. I read what he wrote about meeting Luigi. I can't imagine anyone ever hiring him again after Luigi hired him as a personal consultant in a coaching capacity and he just went and shared, in private in a coaching capacity. That is such a violation and such a betrayal of his profession.

[@sendeth]

The more I hear about Luigi, the more I like him. And what he said about trauma being inherited, this is actually scientifically proven. It's called Lamarckian evolution. It was a competitor to Darwin's theory of evolution. Lamarckian evolution shows that the current state of a creature, has an immediate effect on The offspring when they are conceived. Basically, if you are in a really bad place in your life, that can trigger certain genetic changes. These changes will carry over to your child even if you straighten things out later and become less stressed. That momentary dark spot in your life can carry certain things down. The opposite is also true. It's obviously a lot more complex than this but the basic idea is true. I also don't think the argument about cruelty versus kindness is fair. I don't think it's right to attribute that to emotional impulsiveness. I believe it was l Yung who said that in order to be a truly good person you had to understand how to be a truly evil person. You had to confront the fact that darkness lies in all of us and that we are all capable of great evil. Once you understand that, you understand the responsibility you have to be good. I'm heavily paraphrasing but it's something to that effect.

[@isaiahfisher2337]

"Lamarckian evolution" was proven wrong hundreds of years ago; you don't know what you're talking about. Genes/DNA DO NOT change during one's lifetime, except through random mutations. You will always have your unique genetic code locked away in your DNA, and nothing you do in your life - aside from bombarding yourself with radiation - will change that genetic code or change the genetic code you pass onto your offspring. Now, if you're physically frail/ill or taking drugs/alcohol when you're pregnant, that can affect the development of your offspring, which can in turn harm their mental/physical state later in life. But that's all about development, not genes. Nothing is being "Inherited," you're just not giving your child what they need to survive/thrive. You wouldn't call a mother starving her child a "genetic change". Now, "Epigenetics," which says that certain genes can be activated or deactivated due to environmental changes in a person's life, is a real field of study and does happen. But what epigenetic changes can/cannot be passed on to children is still VERY much open to debate, and because epigenetics is just genes turning on and off, this means even if you could "Pass on" an epigenetic change to your kid, that gene could still turn back on in that kid at some point, or in their offspring. An epigenetic change isn't a permanent change, like a genetic change would be. Which means it isn't an "evolutionary" change, and doesn't support "Lamarckian Evolution".

[@marieb5251]

We have no clue what evidence the Defense will present at trial to prove Luigi's innocence. We only have the Prosecution's "supposed evidence" that no one has seen yet, which is just circumstantial evidence. It's all a big puzzle right now, and many of the pieces simply don't fit. That's what a trial is for, to analize all the evidence and make a reasonable conclusion. Anything is possible at this point.

[@natashae5655]

Very well said!

[@nataliewalton8590]

The prosecution is supposed???

[@leen1q84]

There's tons of stuff that doesn't add up

[@sweeteverglades8381]

He is pleading insanity 😅 the eveidnece is over whelming Goodness Lol

[@cynicalhuman]

@@sweeteverglades8381he’s not pleading insanity. If you see any ‘evidence’ and believe it right away, that’s on you. A trial is enforced for a reason.not all evidence is true evidence

[@BadAssElf810]

In the case of the Unabomber a new discipline called "forensic linguistics" was used to prove that Ted Kaczynski was indeed the Unabomber by comparing letters TK sent to his brother to his manifesto. I wonder if the same technique could be used to prove that Luigi did not write the manifesto the police claim they found on Luigi? It will be an interesting trial.

[@jamess9670]

This is a rare sight…an intelligent person in the KZbin comment section

[@nillyk5671]

Some people have already used AI to compare the handwritten note with other samples of Luigi’s writings, and the results suggest they were written by two different individuals. Luigi's personal writings, collected from his social media, reflect the level of a highly educated individual. In contrast, the so called "manifesto" seems to have been written by someone with only a high school education and some basic training. This suggests that it could be the work of someone in law enforcement trying to imitate the writing style of an Ivy League-educated person but falling miserably of course 😂.

[@BadAssElf810]

@@nillyk5671 I did not know, thanks for sharing.

[@monicageorgson4870]

It was his usage of the Oxford comma that got him…

[@littlebigparardise9245]

@@monicageorgson4870 On top of that the whole manifesto read like something that would come from the average high-schooler. And thanking the feds? Seriously? Give me a break 😂

[@BellaMae1971]

You don't know Luigi. This is very clear.

[@Redmist370Z]

He knew him better than you.

[@katiadelrieu5621]

Thanks for saying what I thought. The manifesto is below par for someone like Luigi.

[@julieneild4505]

I've heard it read. Sounds like a lousy essay from a 7th grader!

[@YouArePrecious229]

And the manifesto was supposedly handwritten, was it his handwriting? 😢

[@MattNolanCustom]

the US just voted in a man based on really poor arguments. People hate being talked down to. If Luigi is smart, he would take note of that and not write a sophisticated argument, but one that would resonate with the most people.

[@debrh.b]

It wouldn't surprise me. It's not the first time cops planted evidence.

[@oracle7100]

I truly hope that he's doing okay in prison

[@cyndigooch1162]

I really hope Luigi Mangione is doing okay as well and I'm concerned about what will happen, if he receives an extremely long sentence, or much worse. 😥

[@debrh.b]

Yeah I heard the other inmates like him, but he's alone most of the time.

[@spareld]

The question should be, how much education do a cop needs to write a manifesto? because clearly Luigi did not write this. The killing was an inside job. This company was going to be sued for over 100 million dollars. They needed a fall guy, that's why they targeted him. Unfortunate for them they didn't know that Luigi came from an affluent family. That's not the scary part. If they could do this to him, just image what they would do and have done to us common folks.

[@janetucker5963]

Is this what you think or what you know?

[@KC-he9pw]

My thoughts exactly.❤

[@ameliam7898]

“Do a cop needs” 🤔

[@thequackpackattack9250]

How would this change any lawsuit? If anything it shines a bright light on the company's wrong doings.

[@gladysshibles3426]

Look at the Mayor he has charges , one of the cops has charges . The police received money from UHC. SO MANY TWIST AND TURNS TO THIS CASE, do they have photos of the shooter face, I see none just some one walking away

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Some people sacrifice for awareness and Luigi is anything but cruel ! He is a HERO

[@economobserv]

Luigi must be free

[@Youdontknowyetbutuwill]

He’s 1000% innocent

[@polluxtroy1310]

💯 💯💯💯

[@Sars88]

Its all fake

[@patdent]

What a pity that Mangione confided in someone so obtuse.

[@goldbrick2563]

He's not that bad but ya

[@Ichimokulover]

Luigi's note contains grammatical errors that a valedictorian wouldn't make. The fact that he didn't disguise himself or change his clothing and backpack, and that he is of the age of schizophrenia onset, it seems likely that he is mentally ill. Luigi needs quality medical care, not prison. It would be interesting to know if schizophrenia runs in his family.

[@hakunamattatta5170]

Oooor... Its all BS and he's the Oswald, a patsy. Thats what he meantm when he shouted "this is an insult to to the intelligemce of american people and their experience". Im paraphrasing.. Just a thought.

[@karinpowers1018]

I just reread Luigi's note and I did not spot a single grammatical error, much less multiple ones. Could you be more specific?

[@Mayfitz]

Cluster B type too?

[@Ichimokulover]

@@karinpowers1018 You're right. I had only listened to it being read.

[@OneUnionMom]

Omg. This guy's opinion on Michael Moore kind of exposes his own opinions of the insurance industr - whether Luigi wrote the "manifesto" or not.

[@k-t5443]

The NHS isn't that great 'because everyone wants to use it' what a weird statement. People use it when they need to, they don't jut turn up at A&E for the lols. Creep.

[@kurtzFPV]

The comment about Michael Moore was strange too. Like everyone, Michael Moore has some bias, but from what I've seen, his documentaries are very factual, not propaganda. Particularly Sicko, the one about the state of US healthcare.

[@k-t5443]

@@kurtzFPV Yeah I picked up on that too - he was clearly showing his own bias with that.

[@BRegan-sx7sl]

The guy has his own agenda obvs

[@VanillaMacaron551]

@@kurtzFPV Yes Sicko was excellent. It's his more recent "Planet of the Humans" that has upset people.

[@VanillaMacaron551]

For a Brit, he has little idea about the politics of the NHS. Like everything under the "austerity" Tories in the past decade, the NHS was run into the ground and created a lot of opportunities for privateers to chew at the edges and take over former NHS work. Tories wanted to destroy confidence in the NHS so they could axe it and convert the UK to a US-style privateer's paradise of plundering and profit in healthcare. Pretty strange honestly that Mangioni would even follow someone with these kind of right-wing views on healthcare. Luigi is way smarter than this dude.

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

Lost me with "Michael Moore is a propagandist" for using "cherry picked" information. Everything Luigi wrote was accurate. Michael Moore has never been sued for slander because he never lied about anyone in his films

[@bklan9899]

Yeah, no.

[@vinasel96]

I'll pray for you.

[@levikender4820]

That’s the point of cherry picking. You form a narrative by omitting contrary info/facts to further a political ideology. Micheal Moore is by definition a propagandist.

[@NoOneCaresIckyThump]

lol MM is absolutely a propagandist. He starts with a conclusion and then works backward to support it, leaving out anything that doesn't support his predetermined conclusion. It's lies by omission, same as Fox News or MSNBC. Everything Luigi wrote was high school/college freshmen level nonsense lacking any real understanding of how the world or the healthcare system works.

[@andybrice2711]

He didn't lie. But I think it's fair to say he selectively edited to make a persuasive political argument. Whether you want to call that "propaganda" really just depends on whether you want to portray his work as positive or negative.

[@chasidahL]

Mangione is a Gold Star Hero ✨️

[@a.b.creator]

It wasnt him. The videos the city shows...the time stamps, he would have had to make a 19 minute walk in just 30 seconds to a minute. It was someone else Hired possibly ..maybe by the company...but it definitely was two different people in those city videos they showed.

[@PeaceIsWork]

For someone who calls out bias he is full of assumptions with zero evidence… even the correlations he makes into possible causations are ludicrous

[@csn6058]

Everything is a big question mark at the moment, just like all the circumstancial evidences the procecutors have.

[@j77555]

It is very likely he was set up, and it’s so sad because his life will be forever changed and will be seen as a murderer even if he is released

[@deadgolfer6345]

You don't think he did it?

[@davidmc8475]

There are actual conspiracies but when every thing becomes a conspiracy it indicates to me the person isn’t thinking or waiting for all the facts to come in. Most of the time events while unusual at first in time are easily explainable.

[@BellaMae1971]

No he will not.

[@thegreypath1777]

@j77555 - Do you see George Washington as a murderer? What about Thomas Jefferson? At what point is someone a “murderer” vs. someone who is very passionate about their beliefs? Luigi Mangione has sacrificed his LIFE for us, The American People, to make us aware of the crimes of the Healthcare INSURANCE Industry.

[@nataliewalton8590]

Set up? Please stop

[@JavierBonillaC]

Free Luigi ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@dl2725]

I greatly appreciate this guy’s perspective and willingness to speak, but he’s a bit of an idiot isn’t he? The apparent disappointment that the “manifesto” didn’t reflect the intellectual rigour he expected of Mangione, when it’s unlikely he is representative of the intended audience. The dismissal of Michael Moore as a propagandist who “cherry picks facts”… dude, that’s just how you make an argument (Moore having been cited in the “manifesto” as someone better equipped to “make the argument”; again, this is in service of criticizing the quality of the “manifesto”, as well as asserting his superiority over Moore in terms of his politics i suspect). And the ignorance of saying the NHS isn’t so great, when the context is a discussion of the American health system. Like, does he know what the situation there is? Or is his criticism of the NHS that it doesn’t deliver a better product to people with wealth, class and connections, or him personally? It’s notable he doesn’t call the NHS under resourced, just says it has too many users, I.e. it’s too accessible. I’m Canadian, and our system is also plagued by long wait times for some stuff, but here (as I’m sure it is in Britain), the watchword is “triage”. I’d bet anything most Americans (the bulk of the 99%) would rather try their luck with triage than they would with deny, delay, defend.

[@e5m956]

God bless Luigi...🙏

[@GreenMtWalker]

Thank you sir for giving us insight into your conversations with Luigi.

[@wrenaevillard5266]

Long waits occur when healthcare is permitted to be for profit too, guy!

[@jwalesoutlaw3294]

The economics of Healthcare are no different than anything else. It's all supply and demand driven. If there is a high demand for care and a low supply of care givers then prices will increase as will wait times for more "affordable" care. Socializing medicine doesn't change the fundamentals of economics it just changes the "currency" one uses to gain access or better quality care. A profit driven model is almost always a better approach than a control model, the issue here is the profit is not with the actual care giver but useless third parties. In the US the 3rd party is commercial insurance, in the UK its the government itself.

[@wrenaevillard5266]

@ At first I was thinking you were here to claim the US system was better than a single payer healthcare system and am relieved to see we agree; the private for profit middlemen healthcare insurance companies are not only completely useless but also parasitic to we the people of the USA. They contribute nothing to the betterment of or to benefit our society yet we allow them to deny coverage for care that has been ordered by our physicians and therefore denying access to the healthcare we need. They have and continue to take so much from US. Our country continues to decline in every measure regarding the health of our citizens. Healthcare costs continue to exponentially increase. Implementing a single payer healthcare system would increase taxes for most working Americans by somewhere around $5k but these same people would see the amount of money spent on healthcare costs decrease by something like $10k. We wouldn’t lose our access to healthcare when we’re in between jobs. Our quality of life would improve, most likely, when we don’t have to worry about medical debt and fighting our parasitic healthcare companies to cover our prescribed therapies. These useless middlemen companies are literally harming our country and citizens. In order to have the privilege of operating a business in the USA; you had to demonstrate the benefits your business was providing to the communities of where your business operated.

[@wrenaevillard5266]

*edit: in the USA, a few decades ago or so, a business use to have to demonstrate how their business was beneficial to America and American society in order to have the privilege to do business in our Country. Your license to do business would not be renewed and/or it would be revoked if you failed to show how your business was beneficial to America and her citizens.

[@kath.7493]

Either Luigi was framed, or he was having some sort of mental heath crisis that caused him to set himself up to get caught and look foolish in the process.

[@deadgolfer6345]

You don't think he's the shooter?

[@audreymerritt1522]

Framed

[@pjlav6304]

Either way hes NOT a Hero 😅

[@audreymerritt1522]

@@pjlav6304 he is my hero

[@pjlav6304]

@@audreymerritt1522 how can he be your Hero AND be Framed as you've said both lol the weak (sorry I mean Woke) dont understand what or why their fighting for lol you've brilliantly outlined this for me in this comment chain 😅 You've made my day Audrey 😆 🤣 x

[@globalcitizenn]

Gurwinder is really milking this. I find he is more into pseudoscience than Luigi. What makes you kind does not make you cruel, I study personality disorders and I can say for sure Luigi is not a psychopath. He has genuine empathy. Also trauma can definitely be generational, I don’t think Luigi meant genetic. Even though Narcissism can have a genetic component and so narcissistic abuse is inter generational. And dismissing Michael Moore’s work as low quality propaganda is immature.

[@annstar2793]

❤Free Luigi❤

[@sg3-h7u]

🙌

[@azalia423]

Certain medications like antidepressants cand cause adverse or withdrawal effects that lead to uncharacteristic rage and violence.

[@ZephyrInTheSky8008]

Paradoxical.

[@VMR8648]

FINALLY somebody mentions this!!! 💯💯💯 ...and hearing voices has also been mentioned as an effect.

[@nataliewalton8590]

So? Still wrong

[@azalia423]

American taxpayers are expected to pay for universal health coverage for is ral is, but not for Americans.

[@saikyomogresurrect]

So sad isn't it

[@Angelarc33]

Are we their slaves?

[@scposeur]

Oohhh this guy is a the British health system is bad because everyone gets to use it type of guy. Honestly you’re welcome to renounce that citizenship and give one of us a spot in that “queue.” Tens of Millions of US don’t even have a line to get in.

[@redlady935]

As a Brit it annoys me when fellow Brits complain. The government are trying to emulate the US and privatise it which is causing issues

[@Abby-ug4xc]

If Luigi wrote the "to the feds" letter, it was probably so short because it wasn't intended as a manifesto. It seemed more like an explanation to be read in the event he was killed and didn't have a chance to speak for himself. Maybe he didn't expect to be captured alive. I could see him writing it quickly in a panic, maybe in the mcdonalds or another time on the run he thought he might be done for. But I wouldn't rule out it having been planted either Seems like the cash was planted so the whole thing is suspicious

[@grazisamor1991]

Tbh, Luigi's tweets are more formal in terms of writing than that manifesto.

[@galaxia4709]

OMG, is this guy wrong about Michael Moore. Really inappropriate to look down on him. Michael Moore is really intelligent.

[@merrynwatts]

I agree. Michael Moore is not a propagandist. He gets to the heart of issues and shares the truth.

[@galaxia4709]

@@merrynwatts Yes that's exactly what I meant, you said it better than me!

[@chikaka2012]

This writer is a propagandist, not Michael Moore. Regardless of what anyone thinks of his films or how well researched they may or may not be, Michael Moore works from personal conviction. By definition, a propagandist is a person who publicizes or promotes a specific organization or cause. Michael Moore doesn’t promote any organization and he doesn’t seem to have a particular cause other than exposing the BS the powers that be feed us. He doesn’t even support traditionally liberal causes such as “green” energy in his films.

[@susac5839]

Billionaires live there best life while making money from the public who just stares at their phones all day. Break free All. God wants us too wake up

[@timothyjameshill5723]

SAINT LUIGI GAVE UP HIS FREEDOM FOR US

[@andreaandrea6716]

THERE you have it!!! In a nutshell.

[@ciroomaggio3025]

Free Luigi ♥️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@edf13]

We can't reward vigilante justice - horrible precedent.

[@JP-jz4uq]

I know right, that applies only to past and future presidents …

[@polluxtroy1310]

@@edf13 Luigi has done more to get us talking about the corrupt and broken healthcare system than anybody has in the past 50 years

[@Sars88]

Its all fake

[@edf13]

@@polluxtroy1310 2 wrongs…

[@Cali736]

He has not been convicted. Stop speaking of him as though convicted

[@mooners3404]

If America wants to move on to single-payer / universal healthcare, they should try to model after the South Korean model rather than the British model. The South Korean model is extremely affordable, practically no wait time for most doctors except for extremely sought-after specialists. If you wish, you can also choose to purchase multiple supplemental private medical insurance policies to help pay for bills and keep your life style even while being sick in bed. This way, everyone wins: the patient, the doctor, and private insurance companies

[@goldbrick2563]

Why are south Korean government leaders impeached so much tho?

[@karendecarlo4083]

I disagree with this guy’s description that Luigi was ‘cruel’! If anyone was cruel, it would be Brian Thompson! Or the correction officers who beat to death the inmate in Marcy Correctional Center. These people are subhuman! Luigi should not be in the same category as them! IMO

[@mildredbangtree]

This person is a bit too impressed with his own intellect.

[@jimmacroberts]

People keep asking “ What went wrong” I wonder what went right? He saw what was needed to wake up the public.

[@Risaala]

Epigenetic trauma is real science. It is a lot like intergenerational wealth. You cannot decide whether you're born into it or not but it will affect your life. You have the power to choose what you do with both.

[@commentkilla9559]

Luigi is a folk hero

[@linmac1686]

What the guy is saying is that he may not have written those notes which is now being called a ‘manifest’

[@ThoughtTrails-th8nw]

We don't know who shot Thompson because no one saw the face of the shooter.

[@outlawJosieFox]

An interesting perspective. I wonder whether Mangione simply thought that actions speak louder than words and that Americans would make up their own minds on what another man may have put into a manifesto? This man has single handedly changed the narrative. That's very hard to do; whatever he wrote, it would have been picked apart by the media. Actions do speak louder than words.

[@BRegan-sx7sl]

Good argument for the argument that Luigi was framed

[@flyandshy00]

There's no proof it was him behind that mask which screams for not guilty verdict.

[@michelles.emrith2799]

If the media is trying to squeeze out ... some bad thing about Luigi from any any one... My take is that they will never find anything!!! He was framed!!!

[@heatherdunham4562]

I think I would rather wait for health care when everyone has health care, rather than wait for health care because I’m poor.

[@cqbarnieify]

Luigi wanted to take action to change things, so he took action. It’s that simple.

[@theevileyeeffect]

He "allegedly" did it. Media is trashing him yet they are making so much money off his name. They do the same thing with victims in shootings. They don't care about anything but ratings and $$$$, greedy like insurance companies, doctors offices and big pharma. They don't give one sh*t if we die.

[@dinkster1729]

It's the American way???

[@ShunyamNiketana]

It's not that simple. If you want to live in a society that practices vigilante justice, I'm sure you can find one. Unlike Luigi, Thompson came from humble beginnings and was starting to 'do' something about the unfairness of denied benefits.

[@mdytch]

@@ShunyamNiketanasays who? Thompson was under indictment for insider trading. He was a dishonest guy who was separated from his wife, not the family man he’s portrayed as being, and as CEO he was the one who set policy at UnitedHealth.

[@elleanna5869]

@@ShunyamNiketana how exactly? His success and millions in the company came.from the denial rate record and the debatable AI implementation - let alone that generally speaking the people more affected and destroyed (from death to bankrupt) by medical debt are mainly his former humble class fellows. Where's your evidence for his will to reverse his own decisions as Ceo and help people? Genuine curiosity🤷🏾

[@ricelwr5255]

The reason I still watch the Hill-This kind of thoughtful, intelligent interview. Well done.

[@Mp2-g5r]

Michael Moore's documentaries are "low quality" and "cherry picking" I don't think so.... :(

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Michael Moore is not low level propagandist. He is so right.

[@davidkavanagh189]

Sorry but he lost me at Michael Moore low quality

[@scposeur]

Glad I am finishing this because this guy reveals his bias at the Micheal Moore mention. Moore is no intellectual good but to call him a dishonest cherry picker is pretty interesting

[@generalpopulation6273]

no group of people being abused... ever ended their misery... by appealing to the better nature of their oppressor... their torture ended when the fear of God was instilled in their abusers...

[@benjamindover4337]

Notice how in every one of these national stories about a lone wolf, you never hear from the person again. Their image is plastered across the media for its propaganda value, and then the whole thing just vanishes. There are half a dozen stories like this every year. Has anyone ever followed up on any of these stories? Has anyone ever done a jailhouse interview with any of the hundreds of people who have been the big story of the month before vanishing like they never existed?

[@Timewave-Zer0]

Yep. We call them patsy’s

[@levikender4820]

Typically their lawyers advise them against it if the trial is ongoing or they’re going for an appeal. If they’re smart they usually listen.

[@benjamindover4337]

@@levikender4820 If they're smart? You seem to be suggesting that this has proved to be an effective strategy. Can you name even one supermarket shooter from the past decade that successfully won an appeal after following that advice? I bet you can't because the moment it was no longer the story of the month, you completly forgot all about it and were on to the next shiny thing to enter your range of vision, like everybody else.

[@levikender4820]

@ chill out brotha. It’s my opinion that it’s unwise for them to talk with journalists in many cases. Especially if guilty. Relax and enjoy your day.

[@geoffworley5275]

Mostly true. But occasionally a Unabomber level legend walks amongst us.

[@Brooke2000]

Luigi Mangione is innocent. Remember that every juror …during deliberations has the right ….to vote to Nullify. Not guilty or Jury Nullification 🙏

[@maryarmado619]

If a person, like Luigi, sees something obviously wrong that many U.S. citizens know about, what’s there to write about? I understand his plight and the need for change in our society.

[@JC-xx5dm]

The intelligence gap can be explained pretty easily and attributed to the chronic pain. Full range of cognition is hampered by this type of suffering. This is seen all the time with mental health issues , PTSD , and disease process.

[@debrh.b]

That is another thing. I keep hearing Luigi had back issues and was in a lot of pain but the killer got on a bike and rode it pretty far. Could a person with a lot of pain do that?

[@jeffhutjens]

Yes, in civilized countries, you sometimes have to wait, but in the US you just don't get the care unless you're rich.

[@rynegade]

UHC undid several of their policies after the CEO's death. Indicating that Luigi ultimately saved lives by killing a serial murderer. The question is whether we believe in vigilantism in the vacuum of enforcement by the State. If the State declares itself a monopoly on force, and by not using its force where people are dying, it is then ultimately complicit in those murders. There are many who think Luigi didn't go far though, but his targeted killing indicates this is not terrorism.

[@vinasel96]

Nobody forced people to sign with UHC. People need to do their research before they sign. Luigi was a radical psycho, not a martyr.

[@NoOneCaresIckyThump]

I appreciate your support for Daniel Penny.

[@andybrice2711]

I wouldn't say I _"believe in vigilantism"_ but I do think it's inevitable. I thought about it in exactly the same way. The state has broken the social contract. In a just world, Brian Thompson would not be dead. But he would've be in prison for massive corporate manslaughter, rather than rewarded with riches.

[@once_upon_a_canopy_tree]

​​@@vinasel96I'm actually tired of explaining this to people because I figured you, an intelligent being, should already know, but I guess not. People are offered UHC through their job because it is cheaper. If people could afford so-called better insurance, they wouldn't use UHC. If they lose their job at the most vulnerable time of their lives, gee, I really hope they have Cobra; and that's if they can afford it in addition to other bills they pay monthly.

[@jackjrabbit]

It's interesting that the guest talked about agency and this view that agency is taken from people rather than given away by them. This is the first comment I've seen that, likely that survived reporting attempts, that mentions they did not have to accept UHC. ​@@vinasel96

[@edwinrivera4735]

Michael Moore was right on Iraq, right on healthcare and so many issues. He's not a propagandist. Also when you suffer from pain it's very hard to be thoughtful and detailed in intelligence. Sorry but the killing of that CEO has brought to light the cruelty of US healthcare system. So is that what it took to bring the issue that every American is forced to experience?

[@art_of_history23]

Was the Manifesto faked by people wanting to frame Mangione? Bhogal states that the "quality" of the Manifesto did not appear to match Mangione's intellect.

[@Chuck84596]

Makes sense this writer they’re interviewing DOESN’T get it. His government actually provides people with HEALTHCARE.

[@cocreativemusic]

You can’t generalize moore documentaries. Sicko is non fiction.

[@dinkster1729]

It does cherry pick though. His non-critical look at Canadian public healthcare is not helpful. There are issues. On the other hand, the expensive American system needs correction. Is this the way to go? Murdering in cold blood ceos who are greedy? What will that change?

[@seanLeprechaun]

I'm disappointed that his manifesto (assuming he wrote it) was as sparse as his was. However, I think Luigi's point was made quite well. I'm expecting much more to come out during the trial. If he's smart, he'll make his case then. The next battle will be making sure that the trial is televised. If that doesn't happen, you know that powerful people used their weight.

[@BellaMae1971]

Why does this man keep showing up on these interviews? Seems odd a friend keeps talking publicly about private conversations. Sad no humanity these days no loyalty.

[@leen1q84]

I wonder about this "friendship"

[@sweeteverglades8381]

He is defending him he spoke to him about two months ago

[@dustywoood]

He speaks favourably of Luigi, and believes he might be innocent / potentially framed. He does not seem to be operating with any ill-will to me.

[@shreya1919]

Clout chaser.

[@leen1q84]

@@shreya1919 🎯

[@chikaka2012]

There’s less healthcare for everyone because everyone uses it? What sense does that make? What alternative would this writer propose that would ensure all people have access to quality healthcare?

[@A20-w8l]

I don't think Luigi did it. The assassin was very precise and got away clean. No one does everything right only to make every mistake imaginable later. With modern technology, it's easier to set people up than ever before. This kid is innocent and if they sacrifice him, it will start a movement that will last generations and be the end of the oligarchy.

[@Mrs.Deanna_Ember]

Or perhaps he was overconfident and THOUGHT he got away clean. He might be well educated, but that doesn't mean he is professional hitman and likely didn't think it all through. I hope he is innocent if only because it baffles me how someone who is young and seemingly had a good life ahead of him just threw it all away by committing a heinous action.

[@CathiBlack-j7h]

Wow, Michael Moore is not a propagandist.