Wrong Way... Up? Your flight is de-Parting

[@orvishana1210]

such a great moment when you deleted that robot's plane as he was working on it at 2:28:05. They just float back and look around. you can almost hear them thinking "where'd my plane go?" :D

[@Splitsie]

lol :D

[@skyfighter0155]

Are those players or a ai mode

[@lucaspatrick7478]

@@skyfighter0155 players, or as they call them “Player NPCs”

[@GusCraft460]

While Capac’s jalopy crash at the beginning was a rover crash, it did happen while airborne, so I think it should be counted on the crash board.

[@murrayboyton8779]

Today in Wrong Way Up, Splitsie imposes his will on the crew via Quantum Entanglement.

[@Splitsie]

lol :D

[@barnmaddo]

Splitsie: "Oh look it's Wasted" *Splitsie accelerates as quickly as he can to run Wasted over*

[@Vessekx]

1.5 hours in, the Moldy Banana becomes the ‘Moldy Banana Peel’.

[@Blade_of_Violet_Chaos]

At least it didn't break in half. Then it would be the 'Rotten Banana Split'.

[@GusCraft460]

The technical definition of a crash is a landing from which you cannot take off again. Even if you lost a couple of armor blocks from the wing, if you could still fly it then it was just a rough landing.

[@Splitsie]

Somehow I think if I try too hard to argue that w4sted will just start adding extras for me out of spite :D

[@equitime77]

I usually watch these n fall asleep, find where I was and repeat. This one was so much fun I watched it straight through. 4.30am

[@Splitsie]

Oof, glad you enjoyed it so much but hope you eventually got some sleep :)

[@equitime77]

@@Splitsie After the video has finished this time 🙂

[@wumbosaurus9121]

I do the exact same thing. It's strangely relaxing, just watching the chaos and listening to their shenanigans when I get too tired to keep my eyes open. These are my go-to for when I want to sleep or just have something interesting in the background

[@TheVuDuDeChile]

56:02 "Oh Wow!" indeed Splitsie, Capac's umbrella is sublime. 🚀🔥🔥🔥

[@thejester-king4135]

the wing-riding shenanigins is why I think we need to have the option to turn magnetic boots on in gravity; also having gravity generators work in planetary gravity for making grav-lifts

[@slugslikepie]

Agreed

[@RayleighJones]

From the moment Splitsie backed up and the whole grid moved without explanation I just knew I'd see something interesting when he'd attempt to fly 😂😂

[@Splitsie]

lol :D

[@alexandermuller7142]

i literally screamed at my tv "HE is still in control of the freakin rover" too bad i cant watch the stream in real time.

[@RayleighJones]

@@alexandermuller7142 yeah for us poor dwellers of the Old World staying up til 2am a Sunday night is harsh.

[@ebpohmr]

Oh, the poetic beauty of crash landing Capac's own plane into him and doing terminal damage... That's a Hall of Fame moment right there!

[@Splitsie]

lol :D

[@rascalcrimson]

love how the chat kept saying the props are facing the wrong way making the bi-plane brake while they are flying and was just missed every time.

[@Splitsie]

The reality was that the props did nothing at all except for make controlling it even more diffiult :P

[@shahbazfawbush]

Plane design tip. Use small batteries instead of steel blocks for the central spine. (Then you don't need a big battery). This gives you weight savings.

[@tohpingtiang4878]

I think batteries explode

[@Becka_Harper]

@@tohpingtiang4878 only if we’re lucky…

[@texaswriter1317]

@@Becka_Harper Haha, yup!!

[@mandyspence1599]

Enjoyed another awesome stream, thank you so much, the four of you are great together and Texfire was also great at keeping chat in line, a wonderful team! I have an idea of your roles now... Capac - master of mayhem Splitsie - silver tongued leader W4stedspace - calm experienced knight DirectedEnergy - wise parental model Texfire - easygoing bard Might amend these as things continue... 🤪

[@Splitsie]

lol Tex would probably like that description :)

[@SebRomu]

At 3:08 Splitsie actives trash removal and W4stedspace gets immediately disconnected, *laughter commenced*

[@MAGAMAN]

I learned a long time ago, never update your drivers unless you are having a problem. As my dad would say, "If it aint broke, don't fix it".

[@Splitsie]

Had to update in order to play icarus with rtx on the day before, so didn't have a choice really

[@Cyberguy42]

Very entertaining! The ability of a programmable block to hold on to a reference to a block on a grid after detaching from that grid is a well-known exploit and is how people made certain types of guided missiles before inter-grid communication (IGC) was added to the scripting api. I had assumed it would have been fixed by now, but apparently not! IGC can be used to achieve anything that the exploit can be used for, but IGC requires having an antenna and a programmable block on each grid. However, connections achieved using the exploit will be lost if the world is reloaded or if the script is recompiled for any other reason, so the exploit is limited to relatively short-term applications.

[@zacharycunningham7669]

Seeing you drive through so many trees is keeping me from imagining anything other than Poison Ivy coming at you lot with a legion of walking carnivorous plants!

[@xotlxoltyna]

Rewatching the series, one of the only plane names that has stuck with me is the Mouldy Banana. Not only is it the oldest-looking hunk of junk plane that barely flies, but it's painted to match. Now that's a plane with personality!

[@rtwolfrt]

When building small grid off a rotor, you can lock the rotor with build vision without fully building the rotor.

[@dennislindemann9057]

Creative use of trees as antiaircraft artillery. Well done. When under attack, plow the forest.

[@Runetrantor]

One thing you could do to make your runway less painful to use is extending it using a piston with panels/catwalks that slide over the current blocks, sort of how Kanajashi made the ramp to get off the Mastodon in his last season. That way you can get a long runway and still retract it so it doesnt crash against the other cars of the train.

[@Splitsie]

Yeah I think I've now proven it's possible to land on the short runway it's time to use more subgrids to make things easier :)

[@Valenorious]

2:48:15 That's not W4sted dancing. That's him marshalling Capac to taxi the hell out of there!

[@paulchaisson8301]

@19:05 'aren't those the tanks that explode?' *laughs in warfare 2 update*

[@filips.6482]

I loved when Splitsie deleted a grid from under the "I am not here" person preparing for an attack :)

[@Chronostra]

Use the split spot light in the approach end of the runway vertically like in capac's plane as a guidance and as a visual cues like in real life runway. It helps with night landing

[@phynox1276]

a backup name for capac's plane is "the red baron on a budget"

[@purpuradraco3747]

Surely he'd be The Orange Barrow, not so much fighter ace as plane burrier :P For the plane, there's the Sopwith Camel and then there's the Flopwith Capac.

[@DuckDecoy13]

1:52:58 I was thinking more of a grabber arm with a rotor attached to pick up to the plane and spin it around type of thing

[@baziwan9407]

Any landing you walk away from is a good landing. Any landing you can use the plane again is a great landing.

[@ivanheffner2587]

1:21:00 seeing the panic and confusion here when I know what happens later in the stream when Splitsie’s Moldy Banana is controlling the (not connected) Angry Jalopy is rather amusing. I’m surprised there was not a much greater disaster following this.

[@JescoLincke]

Explains a lot, though.... All the time, I've unknowingly been playing on Splitsie's server while blaming all the glitches on klang and poor coding....

[@Splitsie]

Wait, since I can now generate phantom forces on other stuff does that make me clang?

[@ericmarrero1954]

@@Splitsie ….. that would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?

[@purpuradraco3747]

The Messersmitt Me 262 that they nicknamed the Swallow was a very early jet fighter so I was thinking you might have named your plane the "MessySplits Spit" since that paint job definitely says "spit" far more than it says "swallow" :P

[@marksadler4457]

Re: 1:33:00 Did Capac just call the absconder a murder--cycle? Genius as always.

[@zacharycunningham7669]

While I'm at it, you seriously need to add more power to that 'Scout Plane' of yours.

[@unfluffydave8798]

Nice to see Splitsie channelling Potatoes looking for Umbrellas :)

[@lordclang8223]

In reference to Capac’s skills of observation at 1:09:55 at least he’s not as bad as Internet Explorer. That’d notice the ore detector AFTER the series ends

[@marcrum]

The NPC’s P-38 Lightning is amazing!

[@thedangernoodle2731]

this looks so freakin fun, I wish my friends would play space engineers with me :/ they say "it''s too compliacted" :(

[@tauri7273]

Oh I know that feeling dude.

[@MegaCoolsite]

Same here…

[@haydendiepenthal1052]

Yeah none of my family or friends want to play it. They say its boring or overly complicated.

[@isaaccole5968]

You could also make a crane to move the planes to the ground where you leave just framework runways everywhere. You certainly have the minerals to do so.

[@Stormcrow_1]

The Beach towels are on the wrong sides, the red one should be on the left and green on right. 2:28:01 that's a very surprised 'bot' :)

[@Splitsie]

lol yup :D

[@TheASMHOURPresentedByPGGlassho]

We could have 12 hour episodes if they would just microdose LSD.

[@stripedcollar335]

Its probably unlikely that @Splitsie or @Tex will ever read this. Still, I want to point out that at 12:00 Tex made the claim that the rotating runway shed was impossible to land on. Splitsie then said he would pull of a landing and rub it in Tex's face. The landing certainly happened and was impressively executed. Unfortunately the opportunity for a flashback edit and the aforementioned face-rubbing was missed. :P I'm watching this series for the first time. I don't know how I missed it among the flotsom of my life 2 years ago but am grateful for it now nonetheless. Very well done gentlemen.

[@Splitsie]

Lol it's a little challenging to do an edit in a Livestream, but I'd like to think I'm magnanimous enough to just take the win I had (unless I thought it was funny) 😂

[@stripedcollar335]

@Splitsie I thought it was funny as hell, but I take your point. Sometimes, being right is its own reward, I suppose.😇

[@MrBlackdragon1230]

As soon as you mentioned the Build And Repair mod I figured it would be fireworks. One of the most controversial mods in the game.

[@brianwoodbridge88]

De-parting. I see what you did there :p

[@justinlackey4363]

you could use wheels and suspensions at the end of your runway to act as a cushion for faster landings that would have otherwise needed longer runways.

[@techforge-Nate]

31:30 - why not build a folding/retracting runway? So that it folds in a way to provide the shelter after the plane has landed, but can be deployed for extra landing area.

[@Splitsie]

I think that's what DE has in mind for his, it'll be interesting to see how it goes as his design seems pretty neat :)

[@techforge-Nate]

@@Splitsie This is shaping up as a bona fide classic series, love the Synergy with this team. Do the wheels mess with flight at all as a source of drag?

[@Splitsie]

Yes they do, but it's quite hard to avoid due to the size of any retractible gear system you might try to build

[@CaptainPhantom6]

For some reason when you first were flying the plane one of the things that came to mind was “Now *this* is pod racing”

[@Splitsie]

flying with wings very much gives you a bit of that feel :D

[@wepntech]

Oh boy a little tree hugger bot or something hunting you as you wreck so many trees, maybe an annoyed logger thinking you a robbing his Forrest or something. lol.

[@MistahBryan]

@1:51:55, Splitsie welds up a Refinery with just sheer Testosterone :)

[@mkrsek1]

Those hard landings kinda remind me 2004 Battlestar Galactica "Combat landing" (Vipers bouncing inside hangar pod)

[@Splitsie]

lol Yup :D

[@JuanEstradaGiuria]

36:20 the root for Paraguay (and Uruguay, where I am from) comes from the Guarani language, so not the same root as Paraguas, that comes from Europe (seems to come from French)

[@Splitsie]

Oh cool, I always enjoy learning little etymological roots of things :)

[@PiroteusGaming]

Uuuuh that hinsight thou... the laft was so nice a smal pump towards freedome and they turn right^^

[@rodentnolastname6612]

One way to keep BOB from being weaponized would be to prevent it from deconstructing any non-owned grids. This way, you have to take control of an enemy ship or base first, then BOB can deconstruct it.

[@texaswriter1317]

Yeah, I agree. I can see both sides of the BOB discussion. There should be a "fairplay" version that would have some sensible restrictions (like the one you mentioned). Honestly, BOB is a QOL mod to me, but at the same time Splitsie makes a lot of great vehicles trying to solve problems without BOB.

[@yawnos]

I'de highly advise moving the weight of that plane forward as the greater the distance between the yellow cross and the purple one the more it going to want to nose up or down all by itself in flight.

[@JohnDoe-tt6bh]

Add a giant Christmas tree to that picnic table!

[@DemTacs]

If Capac would build a place for landing planes, wouldn't it be a runaway-landing? ;P Edit: Wasted: " Is that driving or flying?" Me: " Yes!" Splitsie: ( Half a second later) : " Yes!" Two chickens, one egg. ^^

[@verildarkvail4572]

that umbrella looks like its out of Dr Seuss

[@wolfpeltskinwalker8444]

may need to build a bullguard on the lead unit that has drills on it but that can be lifted so you can move ragular when not needed.

[@boz465]

on the sheltered part of the run way you could have to hangers of to the sides with a platforms that slides your plains into the hanger saves you having to part on the side of the run way ?

[@scottsparkes48]

Parking idea: Piston on a rotor (horizontal) running along either side of the runway. Place an armature with a mag-plate on the end of the piston. The piston rotates 90 degrees to lay the armature and mag-plate flat on the runway. Drive the aircraft onto the mag-plate, lock. Reverse the process and extend the piston to store the aircraft on either side of the covering/hanger. Should look ridiculous enough for a stream.

[@Splitsie]

Right now I'm trying to come up with a way to incorporate a thing like that which can also be used as a launch device ;)

[@saschaschneider9157]

The rover road train is really awesome, but somehow I'm constantly waiting for Lord Clang to shout: "ENOUGH!". 🙈 Also have you guys ever seen Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines. 😆

[@shaneedwards596]

the runway may benefit from a hinged parking spot with a mag plate on so the planes can be stored on those, and have a wall on the side of each spot to act as a roof to protect from the acid rain and weapons fire while being stored

[@Splitsie]

I certainly need to come up with some method of moving the planes out of the way a bit - though I'm also trying to come up with a concept which can also be used to launch the planes ;)

[@shaneedwards596]

@@Splitsie a crane system may look cool but i cant help feeling ye olde Lord Clang may protest a little... I also think that if the runway was a little longer it may also help, however if memory serves me aircraft carrier runways or rather most post WW2 have a angled runway to the side... that may be a good temporary fix for allowing take off while a plane is also on the top.... and allow simultanious take off and landing, or help increase the chances of landing safely if you cant get lined up correctly in time....

[@Vessekx]

Splitsie, you should really do a short series where the treadmill mod is the only allowed source of power generation. The goal? Get to space.

[@Eisen_Jaeger]

Those were some pretty cool aircraft.

[@Splitsie]

The shadows going past us were really nice :)

[@Orsa1305]

about Build and Repair, i use it in almost all my worlds, just to repair rovers/bases/ships, not for building stuff, unless Keen makes it possible to detect damaged armor blocks.

[@fl4shb4ckGaming]

I've transitioned to using it primarily to clean up my surrounding area. I dont build with it anymore though

[@Splitsie]

I'm really interested to see how it feels to play with the AIEnabled helper bot as that seems like a balanced way to have something automatically find the things that need repair

[@Wanderinghippi]

I swear I don’t get the notifications for these but very enjoyable splitsie

[@Rav0000000]

You guys should make a small fuel tender. An SG rover with nothing but an O2/H2 generator and a hydrogen tank that can refuel the planes from the runway. Maybe using a hinge as the fuel port since they don't make single-block connectors.

[@callsignguardian6364]

Oh no, here I was wishing an F35B would eventually be produced XD

[@bottlekruiser]

Taking wingmen to next level

[@mastere6115]

Ya know, I wish I was there live, so I could have suggested they just take the main rover to get the ice by detaching it from the others hahaha

[@MistahBryan]

@1:30:17, as your Live Chat was stating, Splitsie landed "The Wrong Way Up"

[@snowts]

3:00:00 - I'm pretty sure this whole flight took years off DE's life

[@Splitsie]

lol :D

[@kalonmitchell3556]

Hey splitsie and crew! You could use a projector as a landing guide to assist during the evening and maybe the day. Maybe make it a great shade of blue ? XD

[@liamharding1935]

I'd like to add to the star link conversation as I live in rural New Zealand and I'm getting near on 300 mb/s download speed but the ping is still a bit high sitting at around 70. It's great for my situation but a Fibre cable might be better off for ping

[@frankmartel5775]

The build and repair mod is the most important one for immersive purpose. Imagine that in the far future, you are still using blow torches and grinders?!?!?! Even in our current time we hade done away with grinders and blow torch with arc welding, plasma welding, 3D printing, laser cutting, etc. It makes a LOT more sense to have a building and repair system in the age of Space Engineer than using those archaic blow torch and grinders

[@Splitsie]

To me it's just a creative mode, so why not just play creative mode? But that's my perspective on it, the joy of a sandbox like SE is you can make it play the way you want but no one will ever convince me that BaR will make the game more fun for me :)

[@yossiz7332]

the runway roof looks like a DHL package from a top view :)

[@Splitsie]

Huh, I guess it does

[@npenick66]

I like to use build and repair along with a projector on my fighting ships instead of a shield mod. Don't weaponize it, but use it in place of a shield. The extra weight of the parts you need makes flying harder and you stand a real chance of getting destroyed faster than it can repair you. The shield mods are fun for a bit but remove most of the challenge even with reavers, corruption and orks.

[@czbuchi86]

Another plane design tip ... make wheels dettachanble with merge blocks

[@CT-1035]

Like how the wheels are airless wheels, ie they can't be popped, but can break

[@ConstyC]

regarding arrestor systems, try using LG 1x1 suspensions with airshock turned off as arrestors; we've tried using that and it works fairly decently essentially, try to land as centered as possible and then let the suspensions absorb the energy of your plane

[@Splitsie]

Interesting, might at least be worth putting something like that in front of the pillars to prevent damage :)

[@coreytaggart128]

My questions to wasted on essential mods and Sneaky Sounds, is how would one keep up with Wrong Way Up, and Vanguard when all they can hear is their own tools and not the video they have playing as well. You would be forced to pick watching space engineers or playing it but not both.

[@Splitsie]

I never thought of it that way, I will say though, pretty confident w4sted feels it's a super handy mod but it's more fun to pay me out for self promotion than to admit that :D

[@talscorner3696]

I wonder, with Warfare 2, if we'll see custom "rear gunner" turrets on the planes. Maybe even remote controllable, if possible?

[@Thoron_of_Neto]

As someone who has worked in the aviation industry for 15 years now, hearing yall panicking and babbling terminology at each other made me laugh just a bit harder than it should have lol. Also, I would like to see an eject mod for SE, I feel like yall could do some real silly stuff with it lol.

[@Splitsie]

Lol I think I'd like that too, but mainly to eject my passengers sometimes 😂

[@CptTiki]

Hey splits, you think maybe you compiled the script while the plane was on the rotor.. so once you detached the plane, it was still connected to the rover base through that script?

[@Cyberguy42]

I think you're right. When compiled the sub-grid wheel control script added the plane's cockpit to its internal list and retained that after the plane detached from the grid. If no other control seat/cockpit was occupied, the plane's would have been classified as the one to listen to commands from. That also explains why copying and pasting the plane fixed things, since it deleted the block that the script had the reference to.

[@ScikoticButcher]

Ok, hear me out. VTOL. your rules state, thrusters in only one direction, it does not state they can't change direction. 😏

[@AutisticWombot]

They actually mention that they can't be vectored thrusters😂 I think it would be cool if they had a VTOL that just glided forwards so you gain altitude and then just coast back down

[@Chronostra]

*F35B intensifies

[@Splitsie]

Yup, I specifically mentioned no vectoring thrust. It makes take-off and landing too easy and I knew before starting this that those moments were going to be exciting and I didn't want to lose that excitement :)

[@ScikoticButcher]

@@Splitsie well, dang. 😖

[@danielhomant2832]

The issue with Starlink or any satellite internet, communication, data, etc, is physics. No matter how fast it is, your ping will still be prohibitively high for gaming due to the distances involved. The speed of communication is limited by the media used to transmit the data, where even if light is used, it still only travels at the speed of light. When compared with ground based communication, the distances involved going up to orbit and back means that the Ping will always be too high for practical gaming.

[@Splitsie]

Not exactly true. Yes orbital is further distance than an ideal ground based solution, the thing is, no ground based solution is ideal so the low orbit used by starlink can be superior to ground based links

[@danielhomant2832]

@@Splitsie Orbital methods will almost always have greater ping than ground based, ideal or not, due to the vastly increased distances. Starlink kind of cheats this by being extremely low orbit. At their altitude, yes, they can have competitive levels of ping. This also renders them very short lived due to their rapidly decaying orbits. My mistake on them, I was under the impression they were much higher than they were. That explains a lot about their operation, and their negative impact. Ultimately, I would not support Starlink style, low orbit constellation satellites due to their massive disruption of ground based observatories and simply being able to enjoy a clear night sky. I've seen them in person, so to speak, as they went across the night sky while I was driving across Iowa to Minnesota. It was surprisingly noticeable and very easily seen. While I appreciate their ability to bring internet to normally unavailable populations are areas, I cannot abide their disruption of the sciences.

[@DracoFalcon]

If the Rover was any longer you could do an episode of Thomas the train. LOL Great stream guys

[@Splitsie]

lol Makes me wonder if I should paint the front end blue :P

[@henrydutoit69]

Oh my god i was right. About the splitsie runway part😳1:30:00

[@Splitsie]

Even when you know disaster is going to strike sometimes you still need to take that chance :D

[@blackgard3253]

Neat aircraft

[@nemesisnick66]

That plane dies not have nearly enough lift looks more like you're hovering off the thrusters than flying

[@Vessekx]

Splitsie: I think that it only counts as a crash if it can’t take back off without repairs, or if it kills someone.

[@Splitsie]

What if it kills a pedestrian? :D

[@LugborG]

@@Splitsie Pretty sure if a pedestrian is in the way of a crashing aircraft, there are bigger problems to worry about.

[@Vessekx]

@@Splitsie, is the pedestrian someone? You? Yes. A Pav-bot? Nope. Capac? Ehhh…. …Probably.

[@aspergersftw7927]

It’s not cool that they stole Splitsie’s Absconder but it is hilarious that they made it fly

[@Splitsie]

lol I've made it fly before, but usually not on purpose :D

[@Sny-]

those upright supports on the runway should be tires :)

[@mastashadow5031]

Woohoo its Monday night time to lay back and watch splitsie and friends

[@ascspeedywalker4778]

Challenge accepted to build a B-17 with folding wings XD (Might actually be a B-25 as I like that one more)

[@honza2447]

I think that helicopters in SE encounter similar problem as those in real life. Forward flying helicopter has tips of its blades moving forward in very different speeds. On one side the speed is [helicopter forward speed] + [rotation speed] the opposite side [helicopter forward speed] - [rotation speed]. This means the lifting force on sides of the chopper is different. It also limits maximum speed of any helicopter (cavitations will destroy the blade[citation needed]). Say you build plane in SE which needs 40 m/s to takeoff and then use the same wings as rotor blades instead. But rotor blade parts move in different speeds - those near the rotation center slowly, tips faster. To get your ship to lift itself, the tips of the rotors need to move roughly double the original speed - 80 m/s. So when moving forward just 20 m/s with your helicopter, you are Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Clang Keen wgah'nagl fhtagn. Also, I might be completely wrong and Clang just does whatever he wants.

[@Splitsie]

In the few times I've managed any lift with a helicopter design I'm not even sure that I'm getting lift from the blades as opposed to overwhelming the physics calculations and floating :P But yeah, it's those complexities you mention that are undoubtedly contributing to the physics system simply not being able to cope

[@keithbrown4566]

At an hour and 10 minutes Splitsie says “oh I’m carrying coffee… why am I caring coffee?… blech”… not cool man… lols

[@Splitsie]

I'm one of those odd morning people who also doesn't like the taste of coffee - to me it's bitter dirt juice :P

[@Eisen_Jaeger]

@@Splitsie that's what sugar an... wait, nope, not going to even try anymore :P

[@deeraz]

Holy crap! Never thought I'd see dogfighting in SE, let alone with another engi standing on the wing! This was like an action move or something - amazing! :D

[@mammyaondiciple3570]

This series would be making more distance of the planet hadnt been shrunk which looks like it compressed all the cliffs and valleys making all the terrain much worse than normal

[@Splitsie]

Most likely, but then progress isn't the only measure of success - we've been having a lot of fun and I kinda needed to do the smaller planet thing for the upcoming attempted transition to ensure the gravity fields line up in a way that works :)

[@knutzzl]

A crash is when the plane can't takeoff again. (Refuel exception)

[@JescoLincke]

That would be my definition too. Although, there's still the good old "any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. If the plane is still usable, it's a perfect landing!"

[@Splitsie]

lol Knowing w4sted there's not a chance he'll let me get away with that definition :D

[@Jeffs40K]

SO you get stuck because you have One side of the main rig up on a HUGE hill and your Idea to free it is to DIG a hole Under the wheels on the opposite side so it tilts even MORE ... WOW .... you managed to jackknife the rig.