WTF IS GENDER ENVY? | NOAHFINNCE

WHAT IS GENDER ENVY?! IS IT A TRANSGENDER THING? I STILL DON'T THINK I KNOW BUT... LEMME KNOW WHO GIVES U GENDER ENVY
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[@lostfroggs]

Noah: "My self-obsession comes from anxiety; it does not come from loving myself" Me: and I felt that on a personal level

[@imogendavies65]

that hit a certain place in me

[@elliottfox3581]

That literally helped me realize why I feel like that

[@p0tat0s0up]

oh shit same here

[@Taylor_5724]

Mood

[@luzelenaserrano1236]

Oh wow

[@cole6482]

Okay so, for anyone who is still confused : gender envy is basically the good equivalent of "second hand dysphoria" You see someone (or something), you're like "ooo I wanna look like that!" in a gender way, and there you go gender envy

[@praalgraf]

second hand gender euphoria?

[@Arkyn.h]

Hm. A kind of gender dysphoria? 🤔 Not to be rude or anything but I'm not sure how you can be jealous of a gender... It seems weird to me, but I'll try and get more info so I can understand more clearly

[@cole6482]

@@praalgraf Well yeah, from what I understand that's basically what it is! Gender envy might not give you happiness to the point where it could be called "euphoria" but it's definitly similar

[@cole6482]

@@Arkyn.h I was comparing it to second hand dysphoria because it's the closest to this feeling of connexion to another person's look/appearance, but I think gender envy in general is a happy thing to feel

[@paumiam8742]

Gender envy can happen to you when you think someone looks so cool and you want to look like that, but they aren't the gender you identify with, you just like their gender expression?

[@jayjayheinz8552]

I feel like gender envy for me is when someone can just exist and dress however they want whilst still looking undeniably male and it makes me so jealous. Troye sivan for example can literally wear whatever he wants and still look like a guy. I want that

[@idontknow-tj5vo]

RIGHT. THIS THIS THIS. i 100% look like a cis girl, but i have gender envy for men who could pull off femininity without having their masculinity taken away. when people who assume im cis know this theyre like "THATS NOT WHAT GENDER ENVY IS!!" because they think i want to look as FEMININE as the guy is

[@marsburdis7495]

Same I felt that

[@narcissisticteenager]

OH OK I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THINGS LIKE "He looks so gender envy" I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK "Wtf"

[@everettlovesmen]

yesss

[@MidnightEkaki]

This. And this is why i cant transition because no matter what i do i'll never be a cis man if i try to look feminine i just look like a girl.

[@skylersauriol511]

For me it’s more like I’m jealous of their gender expression? The way they carry themselves and look. Jamie gives me gender envy ngl

[@nyxoberholz5496]

t h i s i s e x a c t l y , y e s t h i s

[@srini7080]

Yeah this is what I thought too.

[@qrtzy3660]

I mean that’s what gender envy means

[@cyrus159]

I know what you mean, like, Michael lee from adventur time

[@bariada9273]

this is exactly how i feel ab it too, and is probably ranboo

[@lauradevereux9117]

"obviously i hate the internet but i also love it" is just too real

[@sunlight93339]

FAAAAKE

[@renperry6957]

i feel like a very basic explanation of the difference between envy and gender envy is “i would feel gender euphoria if i looked like/was perceived like this person” vs “i would feel very confident and attractive if i looked like this person”

[@raapyna8544]

But what does gender euphoria feel like? I think cis people might not get it. (I'm cis)

[@darkwood_8224]

@@raapyna8544 well it just feels like being elated. Like when I cut my hair short the first time I was just insanely happy. I just couldn’t stop smiling all the way home and even after that. It’s not always that strong, but it’s just a feeling of extreme happiness because you finally look the way you expect yourself to look (or other people expect you to look)

[@letmetakeajormungandrattha8591]

yesss, like that

[@alieh2197]

i’m liking this because it’s great, but i think it’s important to note that this had 69 likes,,,, nice

[@RedCloudfield]

THIS. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF HOW I FEEL PUT IN WORDS

[@marsmadison8145]

I think it's all in gender expression. like if I see a cis guy wearing nail polish and jewelry or like a skirt or something, I'm like "I wish I could pull that off" but if I wore that kind of thing, I would look like a girl... which is the opposite of what I want. I think I envy the ability to wear whatever you want and present however you want while not getting misgendered constantly.

[@fiflag]

THIS IS ME

[@luzelenaserrano1236]

Oof, I was literally talking about this yesterday I was telling my boyfriend about it and he was like "well, you can dress like that if you want to" but it's like not the same ??? 😭 If I did that I would just be assumed to be a girl

[@robynloveschocolate]

This!! I really wish I could dress androgenously (did I spell that right ? Lol) but cause of my body shape and the fact that girls often wear "guy" clothes where I live anyway, I would still just look like a girl and that's not what I want...it's so hard to describe, but I get really annoyed by it and very jealous of Victorian women who could wear suits to achieve that look haha

[@lizziegranville5841]

EXACTLY it’s being envious of how a different gender can express their gender

[@mackreed4856]

YES I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY OMG

[@duder6792]

My gender envy moment: I walked past dudes singing and their voices were so deep in literally just sat down hidden and tried not to cry until I got picked up lmao

[@cum8604]

@Meghan Osment deep voices make me want to cry because i will probably never have that

[@tyo_o2027]

damn i felt that

[@covebaier1268]

i saw a tiktok where some guy messed up singing the song misery meat and his voice cracked. that audio is now saved because of the gender envy i got from it

[@covebaier1268]

@Glutimous Maximous i don't think it's really a bad thing. i'm pretty sure it's how you wish to be perceived by others, at least that's how i understand it. like one reply noah read in the video, it's similar to transition goals.

[@nice-ne4io]

the best way i can describe gender envy is like this: i am a femme presenting afab enby who is more masc leaning (i have to present femme bc of family). i get gender envy when i see people presenting their masculinity in a way i’m not able to. because gender is abstract and complex, people view it differently, so sometimes people get gender envy from abstract and complex things (such as forests, inanimate things and video game characters)

[@sprachen7122]

I'm sure one day you'll be able to show your full personality and dress however you want ❤️, I'm sorry your family is like that and sadly I relate

[@J4CKS0N_D34R3ST]

I'm so sorry you can't present how you feel most comfortable. Also, I have experienced it to inanimate stuff and places.

[@ArtificialSuicid]

I'm a cis girl, sometimes I present femme cause of family too but wish so fucking bad that I could dress masc. Sometimes I get this weird feeling of envying men, I wish I had their expression. Is that gender envy or is it just envy?

[@guiogarcia5073]

"gender envy of the host" IM CRYING. Basically the translation would be something like "Noah Finnce gives me so much fucking gender envy"

[@guiogarcia5073]

@Sophie Howard literal yo igual hdjdjsjs

[@guiogarcia5073]

@Sophie Howard ale, otra pandemia

[@robobros218]

I remember someone saying that they have gender envy of yoshi. Like they want to be seen as boy but in the same way yoshi is and I 100% understand it at that point.

[@theimmortalmortal188]

I have gender envy of yoshi too

[@cobblestonebee]

am boy, but in the way twitch streamers refer to their chat as "boys"

[@MusicalBloodDrop]

I was first exposed to the term by someone commenting that my art gives them gender envy, not knowing what that meant, and now coming to realize that I've had gender envy for Wilbur Soot's yellow sweater

[@cyb3rf411ry]

BRUH OMG SAME!! HOW CAN A SWEATER HAVE MORE GENDER THAN MEE:'(

[@cleminkai]

Tbh I just really like his hair- I just want his hair-

[@tree4930]

It's the hair for me, it's short and poofy

[@rachaelanderson3928]

i- YES HIS SWEATER YES AND HIS HAIR THEY GIVE ME THE GENDER ENVYYYYYY

[@amokiwithmarshclamsoup]

Yes just the whole Wilbur soot vibe is so gender envy....

[@Lake_Mellon]

Gender envy for me is when i see someone that ACTUALLY looks like how i perceive myself. im envious that they get to just exist and everyone else just perceives them accurately. and i see myself differently to how other people perceive me. im envious of men that can explore their femininity and still be perceived as men. like i can't explore my feminine qualities without being immediately labeled as a woman.

[@bisexualdennisreynolds]

Yes!

[@cadenceolivia6304]

this

[@tarha99]

Same!

[@azulBjort_1406]

Oh yeah definitely I get gender envy of people when I see them dressing in clothing that i wish I could wear (but I can't due to friking body dysphoria 🤦‍♂️

[@page6379]

ME TOO. and also i get envy from trans men who like ‘pass better’ than me. and i get envy from mlm and men who are femboys cuz that’s exactly how i wanna dress and stuff but i’d be misgendered as a girl

[@riverd3698]

my nonbinary self is still confused about this term but i gender envy everyone who has a flat chest and deep voice 😭

[@kkinosvt]

same! Flat chest and deep voice but not too deep, like deep enough to confuse the cis.

[@eouyi]

BESTIE ARE YOU A ATINY?! IF SO I LOVE YOU-

[@riverd3698]

@@eouyi yeeeees atiny indeed :D

[@carl3819]

@@kkinosvt Hell yeah

[@eouyi]

@@riverd3698 ❤❤

[@dallonmaylo8215]

The term gender envy reminds me very much of when I was pre / early transition, and I found it very difficult to distinguish between "am I attracted to this man or do I just want to be him, or both?"

[@ratbones620]

DUDE THAT IS ME RIGHT NOW WTF (Sorry for that it’s just cool finding ppl I relate to)

[@suly-chan6342]

Yeah me too, but ... What is going on? I feel so lost. I thought I was a female, I feel like a female, so why do I want to be him? Or is it that a just want them? Or do I want to be with them? None of them ring true, it's like a weird unexplainable feeling like yes to all, but no at the same time. Uuughhhh I feel so so lost right now :c

[@suly-chan6342]

@@ratbones620 yeah I know hahahah

[@deligeorgieva8535]

@@suly-chan6342 I'm in the same situation. i also don't mind myself being a female and having female features but if i could look like a certain man I'd give everything to make it happen. I'd rather unpack this later in life but it'd be a bad idea

[@sirdustin16]

Feel you bro

[@maxiwinkler4557]

yungblud too gives me massive gender envy. just the way he is able to carry himself and seeing how confident and comfortable he is with himself makes me very envious

[@finneth]

he is the pink power puff girl :')

[@sillybug434]

same tbh

[@faenene]

I’ve had gender envy for non-binary people who have unnatural hair colors, round glasses, freckles, and elf ears before I even knew what gender envy was *Edit: Figured out I’m non-binary*

[@fiflag]

😂 Why is this so true

[@f.lynnfilms]

Holdup why is this me

[@kelmp]

Mood

[@deiofdoom7017]

I relate to this so much and it hurts

[@duckking6607]

Wait- everything about this is me- except I didn’t know what gender envy was 😔 Legit- I’m non-binary, have mainly red and shaved dirty-blond hair, round glasses (that I don’t really wear anymore cuz I lay down a lot), have a fudging ton of freckles and have elf ears because me and my friends are going to comic-con.

[@kappathefish7171]

i think this kind of comes down to the way gender is socially constructed. being jealous of the way someone has constructed and communicated their gender? thats probably why theres such a heavy aesthetic aspect as genders usually have aesthetics assigned to them.

[@violetjade64]

yeah i think so too

[@ArtificialSuicid]

So it's envying someone's gender expression? I'm a cis girl but sometimes I get this feeling when I look at masculine men, I wanna express myself like that

[@kappathefish7171]

@@ArtificialSuicid yeah, but i think its exclusively a trans thing idk

[@fropt7924]

Ranboo's, Wilbur soot's, guys who can wear dresses and have long hair and still look more masculine than I can, trans guys post transition who are comfortable in their bodies, guys with deep voices, cis teenagers bc they experience something I never will

[@waterwraith1189]

those male coming-of-age stories 😔

[@ghost-uz7lv]

YES THE AMOUNT OF GENDER ENVY THEY GIVE ME-

[@aarguellez1803]

Mood

[@macbean3446]

the genderman-

[@kitchristopher7]

makes me a bit cross at cis male teenagers bc that’s all i ever wanted

[@jos4248]

The line between being jealous of someone's style and gender envy is feeling like you can't obtain that style because you don't pass as that person's gender. So a pre-T non-passing FtM could get gender envy of yungblud being able to paint his nails and wear a skirt and have that style and yet still look male so it definitely does stem from dysphoria but is also about style. It's very similar to the whole "wanting to be feminine the way boys are".

[@ollieturton9000]

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT ME AND THINK "WOW A BOY WEARING A SKIRT" THAT WOULD BE PEAK GENDER-NESS FOR ME I WANT IT SO BADDDDD

[@lucycarolan8828]

YES.

[@lilyl.6715]

wait oh shit youre describing me

[@mewmew6158]

THIS RIGHT HERE

[@Man-wolf-]

Basically that , i see characters like zero from megaman x and abel from the scp fundation and i just envy the fact they can have long hair and still be seen as men..meanwhile i get called a “she” all the time

[@viktor-8889]

As a trans man, I still often want to dress in feminine clothes, but I want to look like a man no matter what I wear. I wish I didn't have to dress ultra masculine to look male.

[@Puddycat431]

"Now that people are trying to steal my gender, its personal" me when the gender gremlin came knocking 😔😔😔

[@mitriarts1100]

**Steals it and runs** hA YoU’Ll NeVEr CaTCh mE AnD I OoP- **trips* *;______•*

[@Puddycat431]

@@mitriarts1100 you need help up? I'm gonna need my gender back though :)

[@mitriarts1100]

@@Puddycat431 here yes go (• ^ • ) 🤝 Sorry for dat •>• I’m a little rusty it’s my first robbery but have a good day :D

[@Puddycat431]

@@mitriarts1100 happens to the best of us, have a good day =D

[@jocelyn5423]

I’m a Transwoman and I had extreme gender envy of Ariel from The Little Mermaid when I was younger. I had little toys of her and would watch the movie on repeat. I’d also wrap a towel around my head and wrap a blanket around my waist in an effort to look more like her, I was like obsessed lol. I can still vividly remember being like 8 and trying to swim like a mermaid

[@InvaderBB]

Why is this lowkey wholesome oml

[@arielruby13]

Same things as you, i even named myself after her. But the only thing diferent is that i am not a woman, i am nonbinary. Either way, the movie was one of my favs, and it was so iconic when i was a kid

[@akwardaro9235]

just got an advert for the latest version of the little mermaid whilst watching this, which wierd coincidence but also I feel you

[@CruellaKay]

I’m a trans woman and I’m early in my transition. My gender envy is intense and usually comes with a lot of dysphoria. When I see other trans women further ahead in their journey, I feel a horrible sadness/pain and a need to be just like them. I feel incomplete. It’s a feeling I wouldn’t wish on anybody.

[@almaszericebean1401]

Stay strong! You will be like them soon! Be yourself and be comfortable with yourself!

[@Ethan-hj5tu]

Gender envy is the intense pain I feel when looking at Harry styles

[@isabel-zz6jo]

yes same same

[@avni01]

HEY FELLOW DIRECTIONER

[@isabel-zz6jo]

@@avni01 AYYE DIRECTIONERS ARE SWAG !!!

[@avni01]

@@isabel-zz6jo YES WE ARE 🙇‍♀️

[@liquorice5480]

Who else find it irritating that he can pull of everything

[@awsuntanz]

noah: what is gender envy? everyone in the comments: *minecraft youtubers, harry styles and kpop boys*

[@HadesLostBIN]

Yes Ranboo yes all the gender 🤣

[@sakuraheony]

jack manifold + kim yugyeom need to hand over the gender

[@erose4208]

@@sakuraheony fr

[@Salthat]

Sunny gives me gender envy

[@er0t0ninruh99]

The genderman took all the gender and he won't share it smh 😔

[@ShilohBluecube]

Gender Envy? Jack Manifold, Karl Jacobs, Fundy, *Mr. Genderman* aka: Ranboo I want to be a soft boy but also a genderless blob of chaos that will eat your crayons :)

[@flix9630]

I feel the same way chdnsja

[@lazy..3]

Yes that is my gender envy too, genderman stole my gender

[@theshrimpylivevods4850]

SAMEEEE

[@emilys2004]

i feel the same as you

[@merodicalymuffin6193]

DUDE SAME

[@soup425]

the 5 people that give me the most gender envy are karl jacobs, wilbur soot, ranboo, eret, and cavetown hah

[@pigeon3245]

Same-

[@teapotgremlin9889]

LITERALLY ALL OF THOSE SAME

[@Howtfdoyouart]

Exactly

[@confusedforg8913]

I feel pain

[@fermentedoj315]

Ranboo just gives me so much gender envy, and height envy since he's literally like 15 inches taller than me

[@qrtzy3660]

Words can not explain how much I want to have Wilbur Soot’s gender

[@wispyroinc.1292]

Same

[@ZimLikesPastaAnimation]

same

[@sociallyawkward__9530]

words cannot describe how much i want Ranboo's gender

[@grey7685]

Same oh my god

[@mrshakespeare8777]

same

[@mint21082]

i think when we say "i want your gender" it's more like we want their gender expression and their vibe than the actual gender and for me it's literally like 'oh this person is transition goals' or 'i want to be them' - cis people can have 'role models' or 'goals people' too but it's different from our experience, I think you said it really well

[@frogtweezers5289]

literally the entirety of the dream SMP is just gender I want it

[@imafrickingmess3171]

they are yes Wilbur fundy ranboo especially for me

[@sopheehee4038]

Oooo boy I can't agree enough. The dream SMP decided to steal all genders, and made ranboo and technoblade

[@confusedforg8913]

YES

[@lani-channelrevamp8824]

Yeah I can't deny that- It's ranboo for me especially or technoblade (Idk if that's weird 😂)

[@archer4424]

God same,,,,,

[@lesyeuxofrory]

yoongi from bts or felix from stray kids are definitely my gender envy

[@scythe6981]

‼️

[@b1uberry_bl0ndi]

Same istg they make me want to cry because I envy them

[@maytegonzalez5441]

same, jimin omg

[@iwillcry]

any man who is comfortable in their masculinity and is open to express their feminine traits as well is a huge source of my own gender envy. as a pre T trans guy I can’t be too feminine or people think i’m not trans, maybe after top surgery and with a deeper voice it’s different bc I would be more sure of myself but that’s why I think gender envy ends up being your “trans goals” lot of the time.

[@xx-xv7iw]

Huh-

[@raquelpurpleboxes]

For me this describes how I feel when I'm outside and I see men and feel depressed and bitter about having a female body. It's like feeling like they have something you just can't have but you want very badly, basically just the fact that they're male and look like how I see myself inside.

[@cfavarel4930]

Omg i was trying to put this feeling into words and this is exactly it!!

[@takendruid]

Who's gender do I want to steal? the entirety of the dream smp. Excluding Hannah, Niki, puffy and Alyssa.

[@ellie7115]

exactly.

[@icantthinkofacreativename1802]

Same

[@isabel-zz6jo]

I want to steel all gender

[@isabel-zz6jo]

I MEANT STEAL , DAMN I CANT SPELL FOR SH-T

[@will5904]

yes same

[@Bewbslol]

I have gender envy for literally any skinny boy who can have long hair and still look masc

[@urmum1783]

omg same i wish i was skinny with long but short hair but i’m just fat with long frizzy hair

[@katdiggory5501]

Same omg

[@kurt_xx4362]

yes yes yes yes yes! :D i honestly can't wait to go on testosterone, i swear the second i get the slightest hint of facial hair i'll grow my hair out to finally achieve my dreams of looking like kurt cobain or bert mccracken :D

[@katdiggory5501]

@@kurt_xx4362 ohhh I’m so happy for you!

[@zamikatze]

and I felt that on a personal level

[@TheGoobiest]

Ranboo gives me major gender envy, he sadly won’t give it up though 😔👊

[@decmbr]

Same. He wont let us steal it.

[@rachaelanderson3928]

gender man is so mean to me 😢

[@azure4631]

he stole like half of my gender

[@santi-fr2yc]

wilbur soot, tubbo, a minecraft bee, a old victorian gothic castle in a forest, ranboo, will graham ,and a forest gremlin gives me gender envy

[@bookking3414]

👍🏻👍🏻 kzbin.info/door/vo5xWvotgEmDMVkKn5UW6w

[@santi-fr2yc]

@E.A. Clinger will graham's fashion style is just a dad that likes to fish (i mean thats what he basically is ) and its amazing

[@santi-fr2yc]

@@bookking3414 🧍🏽

[@Th3nonfamousMJ]

I'm sorry I've been trying to figure out what jfks stands for in your user name for an hour now and I still don't know. Please tell me 😂

[@liam_er]

MINECRAFT BEEEEEE OMFG SAME

[@casswithmywholeheart5524]

Noah: this's a video where I struggle to figure out what gender envy is Noah: ends up explaining dysphoria in the most perfectly precise way possible

[@kurtisconnersmullet]

I get gender envy from men who can pull off like goth or emo looks. Or from cis men in skirts and nail polish. SHIT I GET GENDER ENVY FROM ONE OF MY OCS-

[@InvaderBB]

WHY IS THIS ME AS WELL 😭🤚

[@kurtisconnersmullet]

@@InvaderBBWE CAN SUFFER TOGETHER 😭🤚

[@user-ri3dj7vr6d]

wilbur soot, that bird doctor guy on tiktok, and all of a sudden I have forgotten everyone

[@icepopz8278]

I just found out that people know will from that video and I love it

[@user-ri3dj7vr6d]

Some guys in the year above me in school as well 🚶‍♀️

[@user-ri3dj7vr6d]

Also gender envy of karl jacobs 💃

[@iftimiedarius7759]

Ur the only person that can call me an underachiever without me getting mad😆

[@amivivi6420]

I think gender envy can also be something like ,,do I wanna BE her or WITH her?”

[@chrisgrimstad9985]

why not both ay 😳😏

[@f.lynnfilms]

Wanting Ranboo’s gender can be wanting his gender or wanting your gender back and for me it’s both

[@scarlettroses4056]

Ranboo, wilbur, karl, for me. I think it's the hair

[@confusedforg8913]

For some reason when I saw this video my brain went to "there are probably gonna be alot of dreamSmp guys being gender envied" and guess what? I was right

[@ashwithapen]

Lmao tru

[@Mattpat_exe]

I was just about to comment this :O

[@sawyerwillis3236]

the way I've always explained gender envy is like, I want to be able to be seen as a guy no matter the clothes I wear. like harry styles wearing a dress. he is still seen as and referred to as a guy, but if I did that, there would be a much higher chance that I would be misgendered and not seen as a guy. idk that how I've always seen it

[@azulBjort_1406]

YEESS I think that's also a big part of it, it's that we want to be seen and treated the way we see ourselves, I guess that's social dysphoria 😅✌️

[@sawyerwillis3236]

@@azulBjort_1406 definitely

[@AngryLotus2000]

I get gender envy followed by a dysphoria breakdown when I watch movies or shows with preteen or teenage boy friend groups as the main characters especially when it’s a sports movie

[@tobyfd]

I WANT WILBUR AND RANBOOS GENDER BECAUSE THEY PRESENT MASCULINE BUT ARE SO PRETTY AT THE SAME TIME AHHH

[@nutella_equestrian1607]

and karlllllllllllllllllllll

[@tobyfd]

@@nutella_equestrian1607 YES HOW DID I FORGET

[@nutella_equestrian1607]

@@tobyfd yeeeeeeeeeeee

[@tobyfd]

@@nutella_equestrian1607 YEAHH

[@something_else7308]

YES

[@ab0veill984]

Noah: stressing and apologizing about background Everyone here: it's ok bestie we came here to watch you not the background

[@groovezilla_]

my gender envy list: wilbur soot, technoblade, karl jacobs, and, most importantly, ranboo. ranboo has so much gender. he doesn't need that much gender.

[@ems.225]

”Trans people... we love a bit of a chat” actually made me lose my breath laughing

[@bee3163]

Words can not describe how much I want Ranboos gender

[@grecia2352]

but gender man won't share :(

[@bee3163]

@@grecia2352 :(

[@Samantha-fg6iu]

gender man wont share the gender with chat D:

[@v4l_549]

ME LITERALLY

[@lgbtqbcnr]

same, like spare some gender and height pls mr. boo

[@jamiedidato4206]

I've understood gender envy as basically being either the dysphoric feelings associated with someone or something outside of myself. For example, I had gender envy of Brian Molko as a teen. This was different than regular envy because I did everything within my power to look like him but still felt dysphoric, so I knew the missing piece was gender. Once it gets to objects, it becomes more personal experience driven. Most of the men in my life and none of the women I knew played guitar, so I found some sense of euphoria in learning guitar, however it never felt exactly "masculine" in the way I was searching for because I was missing the gender expression and identity behind it. So guitar=gender envy because I associated them with masculinity at a young age but it didn't eleviate the "bad feeling" (dysphoria) in the way I thought it would because I was really searching for the gender associated with playing guitar, not the actual activity itself.

[@mrshakespeare8777]

it’s simple, i see a noahfinnce video notif i click-

[@fallout5678]

Same😔✋

[@Louie527]

Agree w u Nick

[@alexoswald932]

yes yes!

[@londeewolf]

i feel gender envy so often! about men’s bodies, clothes, things.. just a lot of things that are stereotypically male and I never got to do or have them. Like, i’ll never be a dad, and that makes me sad. I just never know if it’s because of the social role of women or if it’s more than that

[@Bella-qv9zf]

Yes. I feel this. I can’t quite decipher whether I feel envious of how men are viewed by society, or truly envious of their gender. It’s so confusing!

[@Dxterslaboratory15]

For me it’s like, you wanna be seen the same way as someone else is. Like I see a man in a nice outfit. But I know I can wear the outfit and I’ll look damn good in it but it won’t be perceived the same way. It won’t feel the same way. Even when guys are being flirty, it just makes me hella envious. Because I dong think I’ll ever be seen that way. It burns. I hate it.

[@finnhicks4699]

Gender envy list: Wilbur soot, anyone over the average height, any of those people from the “scary dog privileges” trend, corpse husbands hand, my stuffed moose that is missing an eye, the nasa logo, The song “devil town”, cavetown himself, mushroom nightlight

[@catsarecooI]

YUP

[@kellyg2635]

for some reason I can deeply relate to this.

[@amy-br9jh]

Ok I can’t believe I’m saying this but I completely agree with the nasa logo. No. I cannot explain it. No I’m not even joking or memeing. I agree. The nasa logo is very gender.

[@jaidenhansen4969]

As an Enby, I see someone who fits the kind of vibe I feel my gender is. Its like the trend where people will post Pinterest photos that the person feels describe their gender.

[@michaelismyname416]

YOU DESCRIBED IT PERFECTLY. I never knew how to describe that feeling of a disconnect and overall sadness because you want to be like someone but you physically can’t

[@robin-lc3ng]

i want to have the gender of this stranger with a rly deep voice that walked by me at target

[@andrezamonteiro6125]

What if it was corpse husband? 😮

[@robin-lc3ng]

@@andrezamonteiro6125 OH MY GOD-

[@BuuWaterloo]

@@andrezamonteiro6125 lmfao that what I said out loud "Corpse?!?!"

[@hbaisley2147]

Gender envy, for me, was always looking at someone (in my case, androgynous men) and hurting because that's how I saw myself, but seeing them reminded me everyone else saw me as a small girl.

[@trapcity9428]

Me readin "but seeing them reminded me everyone else saw me as a small girl" makes me want to DIE cause thats how I feel everyday as a trans man 😭

[@lilachheaven]

I WANT TO STEAL RANBOOS GENDER his voice is so deep i want it so BAAAD

[@cleminkai]

Yes. Agreed

[@janafrgalova5144]

same man,, pain

[@Duck-gu4rf]

Yes same very much

[@rachaelanderson3928]

yes. and wilburs hair and YELLOW SWEATER. FULL STOP .

[@Duck-gu4rf]

@@rachaelanderson3928 YES I HAVE WILBURS HAIR CUT BUT I DONT HAVE THE FLUFFYNES

[@mr.beet0707]

I get gender envy from watching Tom Holland in drag as Rihanna singing Umbrella And if we're going with fictional people, Flynn Ryder/Eugene Fitzherbert from Tangled and Howl from Howl's moving castle Edit: Oh yeah, Kovu too. Not a furry/animal kin, but hell yeah Kovu

[@jamievanlaar2289]

E X A C T L Y T H I S

[@slowed..audios14]

Bestie looks really swaggy today 😌 also, I want to steal zendaya's gender identity, shes such a queen I cant...dont get me started 😫🖐

[@NOAHFINNCE]

shes perfect tbh

[@soprecious5864]

@@NOAHFINNCE hey bestie

[@mushruem]

@@NOAHFINNCE bestie you are so right

[@fizz_s0da919]

from my understanding, gender envy is either wanting to be like someone specifically because they're so confident in their gender (that might also be the same as your gender identity) and how they carry themselves. or they look like how you want to present, but you can't for various reasons yet. but also, you can feel envious about someone's gender because in society they are more accepted. like how some cis women can feel envious about men. I don't really think it's exclusively for trans people, but cis people likely don't experience it the same way as trans people do.

[@emfaye23]

the feeling of wanting so badly to look a certain way as a trans person that it hurts is something that i have always felt so it felt really good to hear you kind of put it into words in a way

[@jortslesbian]

gender envy is basically saying you want to be like this person/look like this person when you’ve transitioned :)) it’s it doesn’t relate to pronouns or gender of said person you get gender envy from, anyways hi bestie!!

[@The_3nygma]

For me gender envy is when identify my gender with a certain thing. It doesn’t necessarily mean I want to have the same gender as a person it’s more I just feel like my gender is aligned with whatever I’m getting gender envy from. Some people get gender envy from objects but just people, it’s hard to explain but I tried my best

[@tangerineslice]

Hi bestie ( yes I am a sheep) Edit: to me gender envy is like the embodiment of things that would make you feel gender euphoria but that you cannot have. So you're envious. Does this make sense? edit 2: I'm happy to see that yall can relate to this :)

[@cubshock7151]

THIS IS A GOOD EXPLANATION THANK YOU

[@ashleyxmari]

agreed

[@bisexualdennisreynolds]

Yes!! This is perf!!

[@intessign543]

this is actually a great definition

[@larabenevides9261]

Yes! This is the best definition!

[@returntoaloe]

if i'm being completely honest, i really do look up to Noah in a TON of different ways -- he's been a very big inspiration to me lol and i really find enjoyment in all of his content. to answer the "lemme know who gives u gender envy" question -- Noah may be the person who gives me the most gender envy :P anyways,, tysm bestie ily

[@alenagnos1761]

for me it's like i envy men when they present stereotypically feminine because it will never be viewed as self-expression when i do that as a woman. then it feels like i'm giving in to social pressure

[@Bewbslol]

Ik for me, a trans masc guy , gender envy is like I see a cis man wearing a dress not worrying that someone will think they are a woman, because I still like feminine things like skirts and dresses but could never wear them for I would get disphoria and ppl would see me as a girl so I have gender envy that cis men can look like men when they wear skirts

[@mojit_gris]

I feeel u, I’m nonbinary and love wearing dresses but the other humans will read me as a woman and it makes me want to die.

[@azulBjort_1406]

I commended on this other person's post and it made me realize that this! the way yall are describing it is literally social dysphoria 😅 it's when you want people to see you the way you see and identity yourself as.

[@eenie_beany_miney5548]

I want to steal a lot of people's genders, so enjoy: Wilbur soot Ranboo Eret Philza Minecraft Jon Sims Elias Bouchard (I know, ew) Tom hiddleston Tom Holland Zendaya Jungkook Hozier Jacksepticeye Markpilier Crankgameplays One topic at a time Jamie Dodger . . . And cartoon/anime characters . . . And aesthetics . . . (They/them btw)

[@OzmeoTree]

It seems to be “I wish my gender was perceived the same way as [person]’s gender.” Maybe?

[@callaghan1969]

YES YES YES YES 1000% YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT

[@cricketsarereal.7148]

Because of the whole "bring back manly men" thing, I feel like I've developed some sort of connection to Harry Styles. I don't really think that it's gender envy (mostly because I don't feel that I have enough of an understanding of what gender envy is), but I don't know, maybe it is. I want to wear a dress and reject gender roles despite it likely being seen as me conforming to them.

[@chrisgrimstad9985]

ohhhh i feel that so much! as an afab nonbinary person the ultimate gender envy is dressing femme but still being perceived as neutral or masc. its like u said, i like the idea of me wearing feminine clothes as a provocative and boundary breaking thing but to others i would just look like a girl

[@wilmonfluff]

"I'm not as down with the kids... As I used to," I'm not even half way through this video and that quote made me laugh

[@tiredestbean]

I used to get really obsessed with certain people and I wasn’t sure why, they were usually androgynous or masculine presenting. I’m autistic, so I thought it might just be hyper-fixation on them because they’re an actor in something I love or they’re in a band I’m really into. I’m also bisexual with a strong preference for women/femme people, so this fixation on men and masc people didn’t make much sense to me. Then I started to realise that I didn’t really feel a connection to my assigned gender and that I may be non-binary. Suddenly, these fixations started to make a little more sense. Unlike most of my friends, I wasn’t obsessed with these people because I wanted to ‘rail them’ or even be in relationships with them, I was obsessed with them because they had what I wanted. The feeling of longing for this intangible thing was painful, I realised that I would never truly be able to have that kind of energy or presentation and it hurt. Here’s a short list of some of the more famous guys I felt this way about: - Ben Barnes (the main one, he’s just so perfect and everything I want to be and be perceived as) - Robert Sheehan (pretty self explanatory, in my opinion) - Conan Gray (he just comes off as being so comfortable with himself) - Kit Harington (the vibes) - Brian Molko (more vibes, his exploration of different presentation and his confidence is everything)

[@jxderin]

catra from she-ra (the remake), baz pitch (from the simon snow series), erika linder, ezra miller, ash lynx (from banana fish), bridgette-lundy paine, karl jacobs ANY FEMBOY edit: ethan (crankgameplays) i swear to god his hair rn

[@ollieturton9000]

Y E S

[@Pippin2luv]

VERY GOOD I LOVE THOSE AND AGREE. My friend cosplays as Baz and I cosplay as Simon and I literally kept dying my hair to keep looking like him. I literally look back at my Simon cosplay pictures and wish I could look like that permanently.

[@danas5846]

ash and ethan... ugh

[@aeroh790]

YESS EXACTLY KARL JACOBS AND ETHAN ARE LITERALLY THE PEOPLE I THINK OF WHEN I THINK GENDER ENVY

[@lukewarmfudge2501]

YEP SAME PAGE WITH KARL JACOBS AND ETHAN. i just want to have that soft feel if that makes sense, i wish i could steal it lmao

[@corah3544]

I think one of the key aspects of gender envy is that usually you are envying people who are obviously presenting the gender you wish to present as, but don’t need to try to be a stereotype of that gender to obviously present as it. Harry Styles is one I see pretty often because of the femininity he often injects into his appearance, and his less ‘masculine’ behaviour, while still being obviously male. Having that ease in expressing your own personality and identity, even when that identity isn’t ‘the norm’ for that gender. It’s a facet of the whole ‘i have to present as a WO/MANLY WO/ MAN in order for people to see me as a wo/man (and the same kind of gender envy applies for non binary people whose presentation leans one way or another between masc/fem while still being obviously andro.)

[@camdotcoms]

gender envy is one of those things where i didn’t have to look up what it meant, i just heard the phrase and immediately understood it completely

[@chelseawardlane661]

Wilbur soot, ranboo, tubbo, and basically all the men on the dream smp. Also a lot of people I just walk by in school, especially in P.E. Also hi bestie I hope everyone that read this has/had a nice day!

[@aeroh790]

karl jacobs. that’s all i have to say.

[@jessicascott7372]

@@aeroh790 no bc same

[@decmbr]

ME TOO LMAO

[@hideakisorachi3953]

Robert Sheehan, rodrick hefley, and zuko will forever be my source of gender envy

[@h0pskip]

same 🤧🤧

[@page6379]

ME. TOO.

[@jackriver8385]

I feel this

[@reaganfeil7716]

ya

[@jasmineal-shami1639]

ZUKOOOOOOOO

[@kyokokirigiri6956]

My gender envy list: (Keep in mind I'm questioning my gender still, but you can look at me at immediately tell I was born a female) Wilbur Soot, Technoblade (The voice bruhhhhh), Ranboo, Jamie, I'll add more if I remember more I'm super slow atm

[@rachaelanderson3928]

jack manifold for me

[@ryandthatsit6323]

I get that it's more like "I'm envious of how you present your gender and how you look and act within it" but it literally just sounds like "I am envious of m a n"

[@lostotter1956]

or w o m a n the again, I don’t really see much mtf/trans fems using the term, but I don’t hangout as much in trans woman’s circles

[@Oliver-vp1pc]

I always kinda saw it as wanting people to perceive your gender the way someone else's gender is perceived

[@autopsyblue]

Gender actually includes a lot of things, including gender identity & gender presentation. Gender's an umbrella term for a lot of different aspects.

[@lilierdmann]

Me: Drinking water Noah: "I enjoy having toes." Me: Trying not to laugh but in the end surrendering and spitting the water in a cup nearby like an idiot.

[@viv3re]

I feel like it’s kinda along the lines of “I want to look like how this person/object/thing makes me feel”

[@websurfingprincess]

to me gender envy is being envious of the way that person expresses their gender so easily tbh and they don’t rlly have to try?

[@kenzielee3703]

Me: petition to make Noah the next Peter Parker Tom Holland fans: **pulls out a 🔪**

[@nottodayartt5187]

Why can't they _both_ be Peter Parker

[@EviBaeck]

I love Tom Holland, but Noah would be a great spiderman 🙌🏼 let’s make it happen

[@jinderella2236]

The whole bts Felix and Hyunjin from stray kids are my gender envy

[@5tarshaped]

me but with jisung

[@rain.9158]

@@5tarshaped which one?

[@5tarshaped]

@@rain.9158 han

[@hamsterkitty4706]

@@5tarshaped SAME

[@granpea4841]

LITERALLY SAME I DONT THINK IVE RELATED THIS MUCH TO A COMMENT BEFORE IT SUCKS

[@lottiemillard3333]

hey bestie, for me, it's more of how people present their gender. for me it's seeing these feminine men with masculine features, and I'm like "oo I want that" so i want their features/voice/mannerisms.

[@XANSEX]

i cant explain how much i would like even an ounce of wilbur soot and ranboos gender- just a little bit-

[@reverbun]

I crave to steal ranboo's gender

[@caspiancomet_9502]

Same 👏

[@bowlofbeans7]

After accepting my sexuality I had a lot of issues with gender envy. I questioned my gender (cis female) a lot before realizing that it was definitely more of an aesthetic thing, and now that I've gotten more ways to express myself the way I wanted to (short hair, different style of clothing), I haven't questioned my gender at all. I think the line between envying someone's aesthetic/presentation and envying someone's gender is fairly thin, so it's good to try and understand yourself and which you're feeling!

[@ArtificialSuicid]

I think I'm stuck in the same position. I'm a cis bisexual woman who presents femme cause #family, but I wish so fucking bad to have more of a masc gender expression, so sometimes I get this weird feeling of wanting to look like a boy. Not to mention that I also wish my attraction to girls was respected as theirs is and I were taken seriously. Is this gender envy or nothing to do with it?

[@aaronmustdie5928]

I love how everyone wants to be frank iero (me too) so much that it physically hurts, we are on the same depresbian boat

[@duck-my2sb]

so true hes so gender ofmg its painful, we're all depresbians 😔

[@aaronmustdie5928]

@@duck-my2sb ✋😔

[@sadku5624]

i feel that way exept about gerard way i want to look just like revenge era gerard

[@iluvmargotrobbie]

okay but like your hair looks amazing 😩✨

[@letmetakeajormungandrattha8591]

gender envy for me is when my heart aches because I can't present the way some things or folks present.

[@GENDERSWAP]

Gender envy is an interesting topic to explore. I think the difference between feeling ‘envious’ and ‘jealous’ needs to be talked about more. I view it more as gender inspiration/aspiration. I’m going to create my own gender envy list.... thanks for sharing yours Noah!

[@martha_r_1148]

i'm a cis girl, i thought i experienced gender envy, but having watched this i think i misunderstood the definition. i think i experience what noah was explaining about how you are envious of someone's vibe and the way they present themselves, it just kinda happens that all of those people for me are males who's vibe is kinda feminine. i feel like it could still have something to do with gender though because i have "gender envy" for objects and pictures that make no sense to most people but it if feels like "omg that has such a femininely masculine aura, being a girl if i did that thing it wouldn't have the right vibe and it would feel totally wrong but if i were a guy this specific thing would feel completely right and so i'm envious of that". or maybe its rooted in internalised misogyny but i'm not gonna explain that one lol. anyways i hope this made sense to someone

[@elginwilson9960]

I might be completely off but as a non binary person I always explained it as a feeling to how I wish people would understand my gender, like it’s how I understand my gender and I wish people especially cis people could understand it