WTF is Goonergate? | Re: Melonie Mac & Dreadroberts | First Descendant

[@TheDezembro]

Don't forget your GOONSTAMPS: 0:00 - intro 1:36 - Initial Post (Melonie comment) 4:30 - Dreadroberts Post + Response 18:18 - Melonie's posts + Response

[@samueldawkins]

Melanie always struck me as a rage baiter with not a whole lot going going on upstairs.

[@TheCosta5000]

Dreadroberts spouts all his anti woke shit on his channel then says this shit? Had to unsub from him. ( Hasn't put out a video in over a month anyway.)

[@Elmodias1]

I'm so tired of puritans, man... Rate the game correctly, let parents do their job and adults consume what they want.

[@DeusMachina_EXE]

This is EXACTLY what the people need to do. Despite people being super lazy.

[@IcepickEvans]

More than puritans, I hate hypocrites.

[@LandStrider23]

​@@IcepickEvans one in the same in most situations today

[@Zeromegas]

10-15 years too early to they to appear

[@ozloner8777]

I said the same thing when I first heard about what Melonie had said. It's honestly not that shocking to see that they'll have these takes.

[@soktherat777]

I'm a Christian and you know what I do when I don't like something or don't want to see it? I ignore it. Puratins hate this one simple trick.

[@TheTGOAC]

Bro Christians were the original puritans y'all started this.

[@soktherat777]

@TheTGOAC We are not the Christians of the Satanic Panic. Same as how we are not the Christians who lived during the time of the Crusades. Culture changes and many new age Christians understand that what the Christians did in the 80's to the 00's was not good.

[@Super_Citizen_Paimon]

​@@TheTGOACidgaf who started it, I just want it to stop.

[@Honed-]

live and let live, something alot of people dont like to hear. like i don't care if people are gay, do your own thing, but don't force me to celebrate it.

[@soktherat777]

@@Honed- That's actually something the Bible tells us Christians to do. We can tell someone something is sinful, however we cannot take away someone's right to sin since God gave us free will for a reason. Free will is a test to see who is worthy to inherit the Kingdom of God. Apologies for preaching, I know not everyone wants to hear it.

[@superdarklink]

Sexuality isnt pornography.

[@frogmastiff8198]

let the market decide, don't like it don't buy it, these aren't games i play but it doesn't bother me that they exist

[@SkeetersGuitar]

Sounds familiar lol

[@DauthEldrvaria]

@@SkeetersGuitarright? We say it and it’s us being losers. They say it? And they are righteous angels. Screw them. But guess what. In the end we will see what is the TRUE MAJORITY.

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

@@DauthEldrvariaBased 👌🤘

[@MistahJay7]

We live in the most cringe era of human history Clown World

[@on2thenextthing]

Completely agree. These people have wrecked society for everyone.

[@TheTGOAC]

Yeah the era where people aren't dying of famine or an infection from a cut where they can bitch on the internet about video games is the worst period in history. Right.

[@CyrusIsnt]

​@@on2thenextthingwho?

[@ktulu3767]

​@@TheTGOACdude, he said cringe era. Calm tf down

[@axelmilan4292]

This is why gatekeeping is easential. "Oh, [x] offends you? Then go somewhere else."

[@gave8657]

Tbh These tweets just sound like old fox news where they were freaking out over mass effect “cultured scenes” and mw2 no Russian.

[@phoenixxxashez]

Even if Melonie elaborated, she's still a massive hypocrite. Going on to say she doesn't advocate for "pron games" but fought tooth and nail when Stellar Blade was being censored. Even though its not a pron game, it apparently is one by her definition. So...yeah that's why a lot of people are calling her out. Also Eve's outfits being "normal" is a load of sh!t. They are way more revealing. The outfits in that game show more than the one Luna wears in First Descendant that she's getting all up in arms about.

[@gatorwarrior7557]

Don't forget her favorite character being Lara Croft, and the way she dresses in games

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

Yeah, he's cutting her far too much slack. Without context, her statement was fine. With context, her definition of adult material is so skewed it verges on the psychotic.

[@spaceghost8886]

She’s a woman. Who tf cares what she thinks?

[@docmacabre]

Ah yes, the "religious" hypocrites. The whole "woke" BS almost made us forget about those losers... The funny part is that these people have a lot more in common than they'd ever like to admit. Both groups are equally annoying.

[@CyrusIsnt]

You do realize woke people are more liberal with sexual expression? Religious people tend to be more conservative with that. What she wanted was beautiful characters not hyper sexualized games. Thats different things Player Options and freedom Now in the case of stellarblade you can play that game without it being sexualized what you do is on you. The first desendent you cant and the game does not get praise for the gameplay. And they were never on your side, there are no sides in life. You can agree with people you dislike. You can disagree with people you love. I swear you people think like kids.

[@docmacabre]

@@CyrusIsnt Both sides, when on the extreme ends of the spectrum, are all about control. Satanic panic? Ever heard of it? It always starts small. Just as it did with the ones currently ruining the show. Mac & Co. are no better than Mercante and her ilk. The only difference is that they're in the minority. For now.

[@williamdrum9899]

​@@CyrusIsnt Woke people are only liberal with sexual expression when it's LGBT, otherwise they sound exactly like the relgious right. They were absolutely angry at Stellar Blade

[@ekenerobinson3280]

@@CyrusIsnt True, man

[@milliondoller06]

@@CyrusIsnt Thats not even true most eve outfits outside the canon nano suits are sexual in nature some are consider bikinis and some are just impractical that don't fit premise canon of the game. the same could be said about TFD the base uniforms are tech nano suits with optional fanservice uniforms like stellar blade

[@Muizemullard414]

Heres my take. I dont care if a game is soft core corn or degenerate. Games are entertainment and people get to decide if they want that stuff or not it and the final say should be decided by the devs. Plus ive seen a lot of people label stuff as degenerate, like mad father, berserk and even baldur gates and guess what those types of media are widely loved. I just want creators to have the ability to create what they want to. The problem is dei doesnt want that and trys to stifle that and these purtians are just the same side of that coin.

[@zerosam5541]

Sony and Microsoft dont allow soft core corn and the esrb will get in trouble for giving it a T rating so in the end they want the game banned

[@tbc1880]

Idk about mad father or much about baldurs gate aside bear, but beserk is not degenerate for sure its just very dark.

[@D-Havoc]

Baldurs Gate 3 is far more "degenerate" than any game produced from Korea or Japan. Those people would rightly call out the woke elements in BG3 but never called it a "porn game" and still say they enjoyed the game.

[@heathrowell378]

As a former fundamentalist, I can tell you that I think you're being too kind to Dread Roberts by giving him the benefit of a doubt on his intentions. In this video you express that Roberts is off his rocker because he "means well but we're nowhere close to needing to draw a line". The issue is, and again, this is from my former fundamentalist point of view, but Roberts and Melanie Mac and John F. Trent *don't* mean well. They're not off their rocker - they know precisely that what they're saying and advocating for doesn't make sense, but they don't care. They're not looking out for what's best for the industry or for us consumers - they're only looking out for whatever they think can build their advocacy for theocratic authoritarian control. They genuinely want the same thing that the woke left want and always have, they just want their god as defined by a church system to make those demands and rules instead. That's why what they're saying makes so little logical sense - they're trying to grasp at straws, early, to get a hold on the turning tide and take control of the narrative in favor of CHRISTIAN censorship instead. Which is why we need to stand up to them and beat them back down every time they rear their heads like wack-a-mole. To a fundamentalist Christian, the only *good* that can exist is whatever *god says* is good, god according to their interpretation of the religion btw. They've surrendered their logical thought so wholely to their religion that they don't believe in objective good and evil outside of whatever *their god* defines good or evil to be. Literally, it's called *morality by authority* , and as such, they believe that the only way for them to be *good* is to do sneaky, deceitful, twisted grifter crap in an effort to further *god's* (the church's) control over what's allowed in society. Because that's what their *god* (the church) has told them is "good". And I say this because as a former Christian fundamentalist, this is what I use to work towards doing too. All in the name of God and goodness. You cannot trust people like this.

[@samueldawkins]

well said

[@Immopimmo]

Yeah, fundamentalist christians/muslims and the screaming blue haired woke crowd are basically the same when it comes to thinking they know what's best for people.

[@AgagaSnsns]

Exactly. Luckily they are a minority nowadays. Not only that, but they're discredited by society as a whole, and if they keep pushing they'll get expelled by gamergate too.

[@adrianinha19]

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[@ekenerobinson3280]

You were correct up until the whole *”They believe that the only way for them to be good is to do sneaky, deceitful, grifter crap in an effort to further God’s(the church’s) control over what’s allowed in society”* part. It never commanded to do that and it’s a fringe problem……. and maybe a you problem

[@IcepickEvans]

It made an assload of money, so it does seem that it is indeed what gamers want.

[@CyrusIsnt]

The numbers dropped hard its not what gamers want. Aleast gameplay wise

[@adam-p3c5o]

Source please other wise its a false and untrue claim​@@CyrusIsnt

[@adaptivegamer9905]

@@CyrusIsntso did helldivers and many other fee to plays. This game peaked at 500k players bro, players are going to drift to other games as well you know

[@CyrusIsnt]

@@adaptivegamer9905 dude i dont think you understand hell divers 2 has 100k on steam as we speak. 20% isnt bad the 1st D has 14k its peak was 240k whats that 6% ?

[@nickeling2776]

@@CyrusIsnt This is normal, player counts are always high at release and then drop quickly. As long as they stay consistent, and they do for both games, everything is fine. The reason Helldivers 2 is currently at 100k is because of the new Omens of Tyranny patch, as you no doubt know. Before that it only had 30k players. 30k are also just 6%.

[@maxtaburri5896]

Hold it, that idea about buttons and stripping is a sound gameplay loop.

[@TheDezembro]

We might've accidentally stumbled into something innovative here. This requires EEEEXTEEEENSIVE..... QA testing.

[@maxtaburri5896]

@TheDezembro I'm in.

[@RavenTeamCharlie]

I find the term gooner so grating cause it’s only one way. I remember the discourse when Hades 2 came out the thirst was insane from that side of aisle and went largely unchecked but the moment a conventionally attractive character comes up in any other game everyone clutches their pearls and has to say something 😡

[@TheDezembro]

Yeah it's a ridiculous double standard. I featured an article in my Defeminization video ENCOURAGING women and LGBT people to thirst over several characters like Qimir, Daemon Targaryen, Sauron etc. This is only supposed to be bad when targeting men in ""heteronormative"" contexts. 😂

[@IcepickEvans]

Nah. You're too generous to her. She knows exactly what she is doing and is a massive hypocrite. I already didn't care for personality, and this just hammers home why. She's closed minded, just like Dread.

[@TheDezembro]

You think so? I'm not familiar with her content, I know she's very religious and all that, but her LIKING Stellar Blade and not seeing an issue with Eve makes it look like she just doesn't know what The First Descendant is. (and then exaggerating this whole narrative based on things that have nothing to do with the games themselves, such as the Resident Evil jockstrap Leon mods she brings up)

[@Muizemullard414]

​@TheDezembro I think the process of her thinking will eventually lead to the problems we are seeing today, it's because both sides are making it a moral issue the woke says it hurts women while the other side says it's degeneracy and all this over games fictional material and media. We fought agasint the woke to not just replace it with the right wing version. We at the end of the day creators to create their vision and what they want without outside influence that forces devs to include stuff they don't want to or censor stuff, we just want authenticity.

[@CopiluRau]

Her mind will be blown if she learns that there are corn games on Steam/Epic and GoG...

[@TheGamernews1]

Vee (KZbinr)mentioned that she is a rage baiter and looking at her twitter feed and have to agree with his assessment.

[@milliondoller06]

​@TheDezembro she literally cried by censorship for stellar blade even cheer for lollipop chainsaw this year if she was so worry about degenerate things in gaming why even talk about them

[@Alexlovespokemon]

At least Vara Dark kept it consistent when it comes to this game LMAO

[@neonthehedgehog12]

Funny thing is, the character in the clip, Luna, is a musician and fights the creatures in the game as a support that plays music that buff here allies. She does little dances if your standing still, but you hardly have any reason to stand still in The First Descendant.

[@wendyb3713]

Nope. People calling other people degenerate is a red flag. Censorship is bad no matter who's doing it.

[@Grobut81]

Especially considdering how little it took. A leotard. Ohh noes, you can see a bit of thigh. Guess we need to tell female gymnasts and figure skaters they are Corn stars now.

[@kaczan3]

Ned Flanders and some gardening tool showing their true colors.

[@TheNecroswanson]

God help them if they ever discocer Soul Calibur IV and what they did to Ivy. We thought it was ridiculous even back then, but we still had fun with it.

[@Cookie_Kaiju]

My sister and I still laugh about that to this day 😆

[@maverick9357]

Wait what did they do to ivy? Are you talking about the promotional posters?

[@TheNecroswanson]

@maverick9357 Just the ballooning of her proportions to comedic levels and covering her in a paperclip and a piece of string.

[@maverick9357]

@@TheNecroswanson oh well if we are being honest those kinda fit in with her character lol I just pray when soul calibur 7 comes back they keep her the same

[@wollyram6248]

I want games with excellent gameplay, top tier optimization, deep stories and gorgeous art.

[@IcepickEvans]

I just want genuine authenticity. I don't care what you make, but don't co-opt other people's franchises and entertainment with activism.

[@baki484]

It's that simple.

[@NeffyXIV]

I’m a Christian and brother I play first descendant. I don’t get how having a game with attractive characters both female and male makes someone a “gooner”. IM even tired of puritans because they make the rest of us look bad ( at least these ones).

[@mainstreetsaint36]

The Puritans ruined Christianity. They persecuted (and even executed some) Quakers. In the Massachusetts Bay Colony they made being a Quaker illegal up until a certain point. And they're the type of people that really want the theocratic government.

[@salvatoredanunciacao7770]

I am so sick of the word "Gooner" like seriously. First of all, an actual "goon" is a low level henchmen of a mob boss or villain. Next, i feel like the word is used as yet another adjective to unperson and other people, to make it seems like they dont belong or actual care about the content of games or stories. If the sex appeal got people into a game, whats the problem if they keep playing the game? Like seriously, we want attractive characters but not too attractive, that strays from the path of god. Thankfully the internet for the most part has come together to laugh at the clowns supporting this and ya know what, ill keep playing the First Descendant because i enjoy budget Warframe damnit.

[@Silver-h4m]

Lol. That Trump impersonation was gold.

[@TheDezembro]

That was the worst Trump impersonation I've done, u guys are nuts 😂😂 I appreciate it though

[@theduggening3061]

The best corn, from Kansas. Lol

[@THaB4DGuY]

melonie mac turning into alyssa merchante

[@THaB4DGuY]

@@FrostyMts heard shes bragging about choosing to be celibate. that is one thing alyssa would never do lmao

[@samueldawkins]

​@@FrostyMtsyou guys seething hate for tattoos amuses me.😅

[@McHammer931]

@@THaB4DGuYI wouldn’t be surprised if Melonie has a high body count already 😅

[@McHammer931]

The first time I saw her I was already alarmed of how judgemental and hypocritical she was. She sounded like a wokies just with religious takes. I hope more people wake up to her grift

[@vadim_65rus]

​​@@samueldawkinssubtle tattoos are fine, especially if they are hidden beneath clothes. Gigantic tattoos barely leaving any of your skin are disgusting.

[@orwellmushaikwa2591]

Lol, the Donald Trump impersonation is pure gold. 🤣🤣🤣

[@101slickbilly]

I love your Trump impersonation had me dying. The biggest problem i have with Mac and Roberts is how condescending there tweets come off. Mac and Roberts comes off as a hypocrite even if they do not mean to. They both stood behind stellar blade. Then implied this first descendant is soft core sweet corn. So to me it doesn't make sense.

[@wasteddata562]

The funny part about that First Descendant character is, that she is a music based character. She is dancing to her own damn music. There is an entire story arc about her and sounds during the main story. She is the only char dancing as idle animations. The other women or men just look back at the camera. xD

[@fall-neckthetallneck2977]

Im kind of in shock that Melonie would be opposed to it, considering that 7 months ago, she was advocating for Eve's sexiest outfits in Stellar Blade to be uncensored. Either she had a change in heart, or didnt really think what she was advocating for before posting her video's. Ill give her the benefit of the doubt though. I hate when people are too harsh.

[@TheDezembro]

That's what made me think that this is about a misunderstanding of First Descendant rather than a hard line puritanical thing but I guess time will tell.

[@crazymcgee3604]

I won't. She has made it a mission of hers to bring Lara Croft back to a 90s style (not just psychological but physical as well) and promotes using vulgar language that she likes to use to describe people that she doesn't care for. But, God forbid, have a character dancing to music wearing a costume that her beloved Lara Croft would have used in 1998 to steal some Aztek idol and that is simply too much! She's a hypocrite, full stop. She can't advocate for freedom of choice and a return to classical beauty and then complain when a game does that!

[@leomagus2813]

Can't even goon to baddies in peace without someone making a moral panic

[@mr.selyumor5402]

If games are made without creative restrictions and meddling, then you’ll get both. Because some people will want to make AWOOGA designs and other people won’t. Don’t police one and say it shouldn’t exist just because it’s a turn-off for you.

[@negobranclim8640]

fyi its not a dancing minigame shes the music powers archetype and as with most chars of that archetype she dances while you play as her in this case she shakes her hips and depending on which power you use she dances in a difrent way thats all there is to it

[@Vert_GreenHeart]

Its taken way out of context for sure and it was posted on X to farm clicks, they all do it. Overall this was taken way too seriously for a clickbait

[@thecheeze9001]

100%, I don't play games to be preached to. I don't care by whom.

[@regex2660]

The Trump section's way of speech is scarily accurate, ngl.

[@Art0r1a]

So in short there are people who: - When games they don't like fail, they say it's free market and the gamers have chosen. - When games they don't like succeed, they claim the gamers are bad. So they're pretty much the same as some publishers nowadays. No big surprise there. At least we got to see their true colors.

[@MrHoxworth]

To those who didn't play First Descendant: Luna the character in that Clip is a support and the "dancing minigame" is actualy part of her gameplay and hitting correctly increases effects of her skills, thought that would be a nice context I didn't see people provide much Coustume she is wearing is recolored version of Twisted Worship outfit wich is a "nun" cosplay, more precisely SP variant wich removes 2 flap like thingy's ... (not shure how it's called) on the back, SP was added for free for those who had the outfit, on top of that the outfit originaly applied only to Single character you purchased it for, with Season 2 they made it so that you buy once and all female descendants get access to it and if you bought it more then once you get a refund for additional purchases

[@TheCosta5000]

Thats what you get from tourists that never played the game.

[@MrHoxworth]

@@TheCosta5000 I've seen so many idiots try to dunk on TFD and instanty show they didn't play it, some idiot called the game P2W...

[@matteocesa9017]

The OP have the same mindset as the woke mob, if they dont like one thing they want it gone from this world. In the vast majority of cases the stuff they are talking about is optional, so if you dont like it skip it. And if they are really concerned about soft corn and gaming they should start from twitch streamers

[@blackcat7k]

3:15 That's what ShiftUp advertised. They didn't go into anything about the gameplay until the demo, and they gaslit everyone for months and still censored the game on day 1. They had gamer's number and they rode them like a bicycle all the way to taking their company public. Everyone liked the game, so no one said jack about their gaslighting. However, that's more than a red flag to realize how much a company would use the very thing we're championing and exploit it for their own gain. That's thing I can see as a definite problem is that we are so anti-woke that a company just has to throw T&A out and we'll buy their slop. Especially from companies with horrid track records for shutting dozens of games like NEXON, First Descendant's publisher. We know the track records of Western gaming companies in the extreme, but seem to have amnesia about the horseshit eastern companies have done to make the gaming landscape into a Live Service/gachapon/cash shop hell hole just because they haven't gone woke.

[@MootPotato]

Lewder Shooter

[@brigandboy1425]

Some of the best and worst writing I've experienced is in corn games. No joke. Because they are (generally) made by one person or a microscopic team of like 2-3, vision and story (if there is one) is generally pretty focused. It is either going to suck, or be brilliant. As for fan service in other types of games, it's harmless. I feel like the people who say that it hurts people are hiding something that hurt them; usually behaviors that they are ashamed of or that caused them harm in the past. Meaning, don't take it personally that Melonie Mac and Dreadroberts are "warning" people about this stuff. Just take the useful warnings as you can, and ignore the outrage when they notice you aren't as "scared straight" as they desire you to be (which is going to be inevitable.) They mean well, but they aren't perfect and they aren't 100% correct in their own beliefs.

[@theduggening3061]

While i was annoyed with melony mac, hers wasnt the worst response, i found dread roberts response to be pretty foul and seemingly hostile, im sure he got a ton of crap but his statements aggrivated me quite a bit. Another creator who went out of their way to be nasty was aristocratic utensil, completely agreeing with dread Robert's and seemingly admitting that he loves censorship if only to stick it to the selfish gamers who want sexy women which him and others label some kind of corn even though its pretty tame overall compared to what games used to have in the golden age.

[@TheDarkEnigma]

Another thing that is an issue is its always blamed on the male gaze. for all the inclusivity of one side and love thy neighbour of another, they seem to completely ignore the fact that lesbians and bisexual woman exist. Im a guy but are there any lesbians or bisexual women in the comments that can give your perspective on it? Is it fine with you, or does it bug you etc?

[@docmacabre]

I'm a lesbian. While I may not like all fanservice-y content, I'm pretty sure it's the same for straight guys. People have different tastes. The First Descendant doesn't bother me at all. Some of the outfits look hot, others not so much. But you could say that about pretty much any game with scantily-clad women (or men, rare as that may be). For example, I find Isabela's outfit in Veilguard utterly ridiculous, and it's not because she's barely wearing anything. It's the composition of colors and those hideous pauldrons, not to mention that ugly-ass hat.

[@TheDarkEnigma]

@docmacabre thank you for sharing your perspective. I do agree that if the outfits dont match the general aesthetic or just dont look clean, it can be off-putting. Thing with first descendants is it was basically marketed as being pretty 'fanservicey' from the get go so it seems like people are being deliberately ignorant. Like going into a vegan only store and complaining there's no meat options (or vice versa). Theres also the fact that despite the fanservice being there, people refuse to look past and toward the actual systems of the game itself, if that makes sense. Haven't really looked at veil guard character designs cause veil guard irritates me as a dragon age fan. If an outfit is flat out indecent i can kinda understand people being put off. The fact that fanservice exist shouldn't really be a breaking point for anyone in my personal opinion. I dont play TFD often because of the Company's monetising history, but when i do play it with friends i have a good enough time (my favourite skin is the bunny evolution skin that turns her into a cyborg where you can see her robo-spine and inner mechanisms, wanna get that one one day) Sorry for the wall of text . I appreciate hearing a perspective i usually dont hear from and am glad there's definitely some middle ground to agree on .

[@docmacabre]

@@TheDarkEnigma I wish I could erase the atrocity that is Veilguard from my mind. Isabela was my favorite in DA2. Some stupid part of me still hopes that they'll declare Veilguard non-canon (not gonna happen, but a girl can dream...). But yeah, women in general, regardless of orientation, enjoy fanservice as much as the next guy. Two famous straight examples: Henry Cavill as the Witcher, naked and wet, in a bathtub, or Astarion's whole romance in BG3. There's also a sizeable junk of women who enjoyed the Iron Bull's romance in Inquisition. And let's not forget all the corn fic (straight or otherwise) on sites such as AO3, which is primarily written by women. It's just that this very vocal, extremely annoying minority has somehow managed to convince the world that fanservice is inherently bad because it's something men enjoy, too.

[@120382brian]

God forbid men like looking at hot woman in sexy clothing. I disagree. There is absolutely a place for this in today's gaming. Stellar blade is proof. 90 percent of why it was so successful like it or not is because that eve is hot. And dressed hot. Period.

[@darnok8839]

Probably only video I can agree with. Spoon got to heated about modern gamers and Vee got weirdly psychological.

[@TheDezembro]

Glad to hear it. Thanks for watching! ✨ I'll have to check out their videos on the matter.

[@dimbulbous]

Yeah. I didn't expect much from Spoon since I generally find him to be an overly judgemental tool, and Vee, though I like him, I stopped listening halfway through.

[@samueldawkins]

vee was right and spoon is a dumbass.

[@darnok8839]

@@dimbulbous Spoon isn't bad is just that he is elitist witch isn't necessary bad thing but in his video he came of as a snob.

[@Extremistareterrible]

Let's just focus on the dei culture war, in house fighting is idiotic. Don't like it, don't buy it. It's pretty simple and most games are not like Stellar Blade or First Descendant

[@TheDarkEnigma]

We absolutely should be focusing on the infighting as well. Otherwise there'll be a completely new 'war' after the dei nonsense is dealt with. Infighting is something important to prevent, one of the easiest way to lose war, being betrayed by those you considered allies..

[@Extremistareterrible]

@TheDarkEnigma being aware of the situation is good enough. It's not really that big of a deal.

[@TheDarkEnigma]

@@Extremistareterrible im gonna agree to disagree with you on this. I feel like merely acknowledging something without calling it out is how things escalate. Your free to your view too, can see how being aware is enough if there's no clear method to sort it yet.

[@Extremistareterrible]

@TheDarkEnigma issues like this have been going on for years since I was a teen, and nothing ever happened. There also simply isn't enough content being released for it to become an issue.

[@docmacabre]

Make no mistake, these people are not on our side. Once we've got rid of the others, they will be the ones trying to ruin our fun. We already had that happen in the 80s and 90s. Two sides of the same coin and all that.

[@carmelorosario155]

I play first descendant, and yes there are its fair share of degenerates. However this community keeps its arousal in check, and mostly jokes about the attractivesness of the characters (rather than hyper focusng). I'd also like to add there is a fair amount of female players, I know from the gamertags, that they say so in the comment section, and the fact that as that tweet showed, you can play dress up with your characters. But this game is truly great they are taking all of the right steps and giving the fans what they want. We (the community) ask for something and the developers give it to us, they're fair, generous even. Sometimes they give us stuff that we didnt even think of. It's a huge difference between the developers of western live services.

[@dasuero7489]

"Gooner" is the new "yahtzee" or "incel". Not sure how that came to be that quickly.

[@sparxtheknight]

I don't like horror games, but I'm not advocating for their erasure. I don't like excessive gore, but I'm not advocating for it to not exist or shame anyone for liking that stuff. And I am a fan of traditional turn based jrpgs… But some people don't like it. but we should be advocating for more choice and not less. I just can't stand hypocrisy and the pearl clutching Literally don't like it, don't buy it. It's simple

[@Bob-yb5om]

What game's playing in the background at 25:51? Edit: I found it, it's Soulstice.

[@voiceofreason4551]

No matter the cringe on social media, it is up to the players to decide what they like, buy and play. Telling people what they are supposed to like or even worse...what they MUST like is not going to work. Each and everyone of us has different opinions to tell and lines we don't cross. Aside from those with a dominatrix f3t1sh, people don't like being told what to do.

[@ChompDude]

I don't want my hobby to be warped by assholes with an ideological bent, telling developers what they can and can't put in a game. I don't care what these people think games _should_ be. I don't care if my hobby is respected or considered "art". I want to play fun games with attractive characters. The only person who should be deciding what goes in a game is the devs themselves. You can either buy it or ignore it.

[@jgrif7891]

TFD just has attractive charcters in tight outfits. There's no sex scenes or even romance options. Edit: the Trump impersonation was rad.

[@ExoticSunE4]

These types of people create labels to make other people feel bad about themselves.

[@vinnyvanhoe5614]

The woke right is very real

[@kevsmith1136]

Just so you know that character is Luna. Her character and abilities are playing music and she dances to her music. So i guess women cant like to dance to music now either

[@Lil-Famin]

Melanie mac is awful

[@merdicmagic6171]

And has an annoying voice

[@Stepbro-y5x]

Absolutely, we're not out here advocating for all games to be porn, but can we circle back to Leon S Kennedy in a jockstrap for a second? Links for research purposes? Gotta know like... What to tell people we DON'T want in video games, right?

[@vinnyvanhoe5614]

Most men would rather play as a space marine than a naked woman. What does that say about the state of gaming?

[@ZeroSignalG]

Just ask their opinion on the wild shape bear scene from BG3. Remember how hard that was praised?

[@TerraWare]

Grew up in a Christian household and while im not religious i can respect those who are. Religion can unify people, give them hope and theres a lot of good values like family and compassion. I dont like the censorship angle of it all though in the name of bettering society or think of the children when we have rating entities. I think artistic expression is important and shouldnt be bound by ideologies. If something isnt for you find something that is. Vote with your wallet. Choice is a good thing.

[@palmfruits3023]

Just one detail : those games don't "fight" against the west ideology, they just have another one at best (like wukong) or use the human old saying : sex sell (for the first descendant). All gacha and pay-to-win games use the latter because of course ! Who's going to pay for uglyness in their game ? Even the one advocating for it don't do it ! They're not on our side, they just want money and they don't care about the west since the east are their top money maker : China, Japan, Korea.

[@Nin_the_Shinobi]

Why is it referred to as Gooning? I thought a goon was a different term for a henchman

[@JLW2490]

It got hijacked I suppose.

[@jordanalmady2145]

As a TFD player, I will say there is a good amount of skins that are very revealing, especially some of the base Ultimate Descendants skins, but as stated, they can be changed to whatever you want to where and can even paint them for style. This is not a goner game, but has some very good looking characters which is rare nowadays

[@TheCosta5000]

Man, my 2 favourite skins are the prison stripe onesie and the gentleman suit pants and shirt. Both show no skin and actually cover up more than the developers' original skins.

[@Cookie_Kaiju]

Just wanna say props for the Destiny 1 background music. One of my favourite game soundtracks.

[@TheDezembro]

Thanks! It's mesmerizing 🤩

[@kishiepsilon5395]

so its our fault they made a mistake? its our fault they said the things they said about us? its our fault they doubled down when they received push back? its our fault they havent apologised for both the mistake and the things they said?

[@neverfamous5224]

All i have to say is do you ever read the first descendants world chat pure degens

[@ErioTouwaBestGirl]

The Trump impression gave you a new subscriber. I'm sold, this channel is gold.

[@TheDezembro]

Thanks! 😂 Welcome aboard. I'm peppering a few of them around some recent videos. Newest one has two, but I don't even know why people took so much to them, it's awful, I can't mimic his voice at all 😂

[@ErioTouwaBestGirl]

@ Honestly, it’s probably because our voices don’t usually sound the same to other people, as it does to ourselves. So that’s probably why from my perspective, you sound so similar to actual Trump. Or maybe my ears are bad in a good way lol.

[@konnen7354]

The Destiny bgm was my favorite part of the video.

[@Siranoxz]

Let the market dictate what is acceptable or not.. And it turns out that the market like good looking and sexy looking woman 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

[@HEKreoss]

Thank GOD YOU BROUGHT TRUMP BACK!!! Love it big dawg. It enhances points in a goofy ass way. Dig your content.

[@TheDezembro]

This one was way off but I appreciate the enthusiasm 🤣 thanks!🙏

[@RedZ1900]

The Jesus puritans of the early 2000s are back to lose another culture war

[@brigandboy1425]

Also, your Trump impression made me laugh. You don't have to apologize for it lol

[@GeorgeNoX]

Its funny to me how Melonie Mac can say these things when she herself played Stellar Blade and apparently enjoyed it. Talk about double standards and hypocrisy

[@justaquietpeacefuldance]

Mac's just a hack.

[@sethkarma2072]

If you know your not a loser nothing in a game is going to make you feel like one.

[@armoredcorekid]

heres some context to the charater in question her name is luna she dances and moves like that because she is base around music and the beats the game makes it clear of her love for music on that note all the out fits i have seen in the game arent over the top or making them slutty most of the out fits are tame. all the charaters have bodies that the outfits fit to our show off because even with a shirt on with pants that fit you can still tell the shape of a women or a man unless they have clothes on that are very baggy this whole goonergate is people doing the satanic panic because we got some companies they have told the wider game indus to piss off and put there game out how they want because they saw a market to make money in.

[@Brainreaver79]

i dont get the problem.. looking at a beautiful person is sexualising them. looking at an ugly person is ok, but i wouldnt sexualise them. thats patronizing and deningrading to fat people (and i am not woke or anything in that regard) and thats not true either,.. there are people out there that have bbw sbbw and feeding as their fetish...so its completely unimportant who and how you portrait in video games.. someone will have it as a fetish and sexualize them anyway. (even though most people just look and think beautiful)

[@anxurious4307]

There HAS to be a line between explicit nudity and corn and merely suggestive designs.

[@wolve2k]

Lets be real, there is a say, what is so old, that no one remembers who said it first. sex sells. its been everywhere,everytime. 30 years ago people got their knickers in a twist because of tomb raider. There will be always someone crying. Meh. Dont play it, dont look at it, ignore it, but people have that incredible urge to be right and been loud.

[@sinenomine3449]

Bro I'm a middle aged war veteran with a mild case of PTSD, I played games since I'm a kid, most of my friends play games, why would I pay for something like SW outlaws when I have Elden Ring? Am I missing something?

[@Marshierren]

My money is either on brand loyalty or simply the fact that SW Outlaws is talked about more online than it is actually played. Dealing with PTSD must be incredibly challenging, and I'm willing to bet it's more frustrating for you when there aren't many games that feel worth your time. It feels as if the catalog of games (excluding indies) since 2014 has been both disappointing and uninspiring

[@sebastiangrebe8276]

All we ask for is tastefull elegance and pretty allright Gameplay. Visuals are Dealers Choice. For anything else there is a gigantic Amount of Choices for Video and Picture "Fanart".

[@Sky-Strider]

To be fair, Dreadroberts was answering the question posed in the original post, about whether or not that's what "Gamers want." He might be right that that isn't what all gamers want, and that there is a contingent of the gaming audience that might seek out provocative material. We also don't want feminine beauty purposely removed and kept out, especially for the sake of the multiletter ideology, but I do agree that there is an extreme on the other end of the hypothetical pendulum swing (but I'm NOT saying that the industry is actually heading that way, personally, since the industry is definitely still infested with ideologues). I also agree with you, that the bulk of the games you discussed aren't focused on skimpy outfits, and that, while Dreadroberts's statements are generally agreeable in isolation, the original post might not necessarily warrant that level of intensity. Honestly, I think people are taking too much of this to heart. I think Dreadroberts took the original post too seriously, and I think a lot of the responses to his response are taking his response too seriously. It's all just getting needlessly out of hand. The skimpier options/mods for most games remain entirely optional, and people are being way too quick to antagonize each other without parsing the more moderate context of the initial responses. Social media at it again. Those (hilarous) Trump impressions are getting out of hand, too (and that Chappelle clip was great). Another good one, Dezembro.

[@LegalizeMaron7110]

I WANT more fan service in my video games 🎮 I don't want anyone to implement restrictions and regulations with the intention to put a CHOKEHOLD on adult media, or TAKE the option to make and enjoy NSFW material AWAY from us! I love waifus, and I love fan service! More than that, I love 18+ content, and I would want more 18+ games to be made! I want MORE lewdness in my video games 🎮

[@tenanaciouz]

people like you need to leave

[@ryanm7344]

While I agree with some of the points made in the vid I disagree with the charitability given to Roberts and Melonie. In both of their reactions they called the game clip porn and immoral (seen in Roberts "So many claim to care about morals..." part of his comment especially). I dont have an issue with them holding those opinions but they went a step too far in saying we as a group need to draw a line and be against the content they deem immoral. Its identical to how religious fundies spoke during the satanic panic with the implication that anyone against them isnt serious. Also outside of this Melonie has made comments before about being ok with certain types of censorship. Like when she was ok with the Tomb Raider remasters censoring artwork of a naked lady on Pierres jacket, saying it needed to be censored and was too gratuitous.

[@naiveveg8447]

Spent so long dealing with puritans of the left we forgot they existed on the right first. Let me sin in peace.

[@nbrown5907]

Cyberpunk has a good variety of looks in the NPC's walking and stumbling on the streets.

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

I love how something that was so normal back in the days has now become horrible and people get shamed because of it. Men have always looked at sexy hot female characters, models and so on. Now all of a sudden you wanna look at a sexy character you’re called names like coomer, gooner and so on. They have gaslit people so brilliantly. They have successfully tricked people into thinking sexy female characters is somehow inherently bad, and if you like it, something is wrong with you. Not only have the villainized sexiness they have even villainized female beauty. Now making a beautiful face female character is inherently wrong.

[@vancexel]

😂 that Trump impression is too damn good

[@trippymartian8847]

Is that soulstice gameplay? I have it wishlisted, lmk if its worth a sale

[@TheDezembro]

Yeah, it's been great so far. I wasn't expecting much but it definitely surprised me.

[@robertgosz4281]

If you don't like an attractive character, just don't buy the game ;-)

[@darksars3622]

Me: So we are fine, as long as no ipad kids watch elsagate! Raymondo: Question? Me: What's your question, Raymondo? Raymondo: The ipad kids have been watching elsagate. Me: What? Me: How. Much. Raymondo: They have being doing nothing but watch elsagate for the past 8 years.

[@jamaul1391]

That fan service only applies if you choose to dress your character like that, i play it because it's fun and it's not too difficult

[@kaoticyclismik]

just got ult bunny finna lowkey make her look like a purple snowman

[@rodneytheredmage3436]

The Trump bits had me dying 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kizur13]

I bet these people have no problem with the stuff you can do and see in Baldur's Gate 3.

[@ripvision]

Did y'all see how they butchered Ciri in the Witcher 4 trailer.. shame..

[@chadkleckler5180]

Yeah. The writing is on the wall for that game. What's really annoying to see is how positive so many are being about it and how many excuses are being made for the reasoning behind such trash decisions. It's like people never learn. Each franchise that has been destroyed has been the same story; people see the obvious warning signs, willingly ignore them, make excuses for every red flag, cope and praise the glory of whatever studio is behind whatever franchise. The game then releases and is unsurprisingly trash or mediocre at best. The fanboys keep singing it's praises while coping hard until slowly over time, one by one, they come to realize and admit that the game is trash. At that point it's too late and the damage is done as they all bought the slop, sales are great, and we therefor get more slop... It's infuriating to witness. Consoomers destroy everything.

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

She's okay in half the shots and awful in half the others. Kinda reminds me of Ola Rudnicka, Polish model. The face is okay, considering it's now realistic artstyle, but it's something about the engine that made Senua uncanny too. That being said, it's the writing of the upcoming game I dread.

[@TheDezembro]

That's where I'm at too. Geralt didn't look "right" in their cinematics either, I'll have to watch these announcements again for a video, I'll pay more attention then but at first glance I didn't see any weird DEI chin nonsense. I AM worried about the writing and the world though now that they're neck deep in DEI policies and have an ex sweet baby inc writer working on future games.

[@Nightmoth0]

Loved the Trump talk! ❤️😂

[@buscoones9316]

the reg outfits are pretty normal in the first descendant. Gley rocks a freaking trench coat, what people buy for their character is their own buisnes. This take from a chick who simps for the old big titty tomb raider is wild.

[@HaveHeart418]

I can’t get my thunder cage past 460k dps any suggestions suggestions?😊