WTF? This Is How They Teach Math to Kids Now

[@aronkerr]

I am an engineer with a masters degree and couldn’t figure out what my 5th graders teacher wanted from them on their math homework. The way they do it is so stupid. I now just teach both my kids math and the other basics outside of school. What they get at school is a joke.

[@bradfordbrucker]

Me too... Math is about finding shortcuts to get the answers quickly, not to make it take longer. In college they showed us how to make ballpark estimates quickly to see if the design seemed reasonable and safe. (i.e. Slide Rule). Of course now you can just ask ChatGPT for the answer, not sure I'd trust that though. Of course back when I was that kids age, I'd use my fingers to count out the answer, similar to an abacus. 😎

[@MinistryofPeace]

I know parents that sent their children to the Russian school of Math tutoring and those kids are far exceeding the average kid in math.

[@henkvandenbergh1301]

But they then will get failed grades at school because "they don't do it the teacher's way".My youngest, luckily BEFORE this common crap math, had problems enough. He could look at a math assignment and immediately come up with the result, but his teachers made him waste his time and talent describing things the teacher's way coming to the same answer. 😡

[@cclentz]

Physicist here and it looked to me like my daughter's middle school math was going into the weeds than teaching math or accomplishing solving the math question. Some kind of number matrix and magic incantations.

[@imstillbreathing1]

I'm engineer and my husband is an accountat. I told the teacher we both do math all day for a living, if neither of us can figure out how to do the math problems there is a big problem.

[@PhoenixRising-pc2fv]

Genius is taking something complex and reducing it to its simplest form. Idiocy is to take something from its simplest form and complicate it. Common core "math" is idiocy.

[@PhoenixRising-pc2fv]

@the_wanderful_life no, it's not a teaching method. It is a poor teaching method. Massive distinction. All this does is confuse kids. Take the actual child in the video thinking that the proper way to do it, is the wrong "teaching method" they were taught. The method does not work and confuses the child.

[@PhoenixRising-pc2fv]

@the_wanderful_life also, it is not at all like saying that 1+1=2. As that is foundational and does not complicate the math it literally is.

[@lindaosika7648]

@the_wanderful_life what?

[@MyCityNeedsMe]

​​@the_wanderful_life Just say you're a brainwashed id!ot and move on. No need for all those extra words.

[@sadface7457]

​@the_wanderful_life I think that allot of adults were exposed to mathmatical abstractions that they all they know is symbolic manipulation. Like people use calculations they don't do math.

[@jjc5871]

Common core isn’t about a better way of teaching children, it’s about dumbing down the smart kids so the stupid kids don’t feel inferior. It’s pathetic.

[@KZ-np8fz]

Pathetic is the operative word that epitomizes the left.

[@someyoungguyjohnson7239]

Ed zachery

[@brianhoward7981]

Very true

[@zoso1123]

No child left behind means every child left behind

[@moreause]

@@zoso1123 sorry to say , but this sound a bit to close to the reality lol i will steal this phrase

[@E4F62S1]

They have “simplified” it so much that it is now more complicated

[@thecurrentmoment]

Like 'simplifying' earthmoving down to using a bucket and a shovel

[@christopher7824]

This has to be purposely done to make kids unintelligent.

[@Ivellios23]

Bill Gates is the master mind behind Common Core. Its entire purpose is to turn people into mindless robots that just do what they're told.

[@rdgtxs]

It is. If you can’t use logic and rationality you’re easier to control.

[@khfoust1]

It’s also done to put a gap between parent & the child. Can’t have mom & dad teaching them.

[@ChrstphreCampbell]

The schools aren’t failing to make kids smarter, they’re succeeding in making them dumber ( ? )

[@tnucatola]

Around 40 years ago, I saw a movie or tv show where the kids were preparing for a test. The parents, who had a boy and a girl, were not to tell the kids about the test. You see the parents nervous about the test. On the day of the test, only one child returned home. If you passed the test, you were killed. If someone knows the name of the movie or tv show, please let me know. Everyone thinks horrible things can’t happen until it has happened. For everyone’s children and grandchildren, I hope this is not what we’re heading towards.

[@TheOtherAngle]

Why does the "new" math require people to perform extra steps? It's a waste of time. Doing it the "old" way is not only simpler but more efficient.

[@shadowmage661]

It is supposedly better for dumb kidd who cannot do it in their heads so they can invision the problem, I think. But there is no reason to force everyone to do it

[@draj8590]

To understand beyond mote memorization

[@aetherial87]

​@@shadowmage661 I was the kid who's head would spit out the answer. The teacher would ask to see my work and my response was "what work?" This would drive me insane.

[@jag92949]

I learned partial sums in school. It was stupid, and I forget how to do it. I do it now mentally.

[@Libertaro-i2u]

That would be Common Core for ya!

[@dylanput]

After watching this I now realize that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions

[@dianehearl8412]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheNutmegStitcher]

😅

[@spamlessaccount]

AKA 47%

[@typelogin]

42% of statistics are made up on the spot

[@jayrussell3796]

Maybe...but does that mean 10 out of 8 people do too ?

[@HongKongZ]

Ok johnny, what is 3 + 7? 10. But where is your work? Huh? Your work. Uggggg, dot dot dot dot, he meets up with his friend, line line, dot, enter the matrix and change the laws of reality, dot, line, ok 10

[@inkchariot6147]

"What's 2 + 2?" 4. "Ah, ah, ah. You forgot to show your work." I got your work right here.🖕🏻

[@argondemad8024]

Well put😂

[@15TylerLee]

Erm actually let me show u how its really done🤓

[@BlueandStupid]

​@@inkchariot6147LMAO

[@liljenborg2517]

teaching kids rote math, simply memorizing addition and multiplication tables and then learning how to apply those tables to real world problems is the way humans have taught math for thousands of years. But the foundational principle of modern education is that rote memorization is the worst, most intellectually crippling, hardest way to teach or learn anything. Whether it's memorizing dates of famous battles or the presidents of the United States, or memorizing the spelling of words, or memorizing multiplication tables the entire edifice of modern education is built on the belief that this is the worst way to teach kids. Why? Well that depends on who you ask. The feminists will say "it's too masculine" and "the Patriarchy". The racial/minority studies professors will say it's colonialist and that African minds don't work that way. The stupid thing is how easy this is to disprove. My seven-year-old grandkid has memorized HUNDREDS of Pokemon - what types they are, and even some of their specific moves just to play Pokemon Go! on her mom's phone simply by encountering them over and over again.

[@AsianSupport]

If equality is the goal, then you can only slow down the fast, not speed up the slow.

[@Clusterking47]

Drg mission control pfp nice

[@NinaLady11]

Equity, not equality.

[@user-fg8rf9kb7c]

This is why equity is a better idea

[@AsianSupport]

@@user-fg8rf9kb7c what is the difference between

[@bruno-um9xk]

That is the point! The video shows an ancient technique, nothing new. Just geometric/counting based arithmetics. Good for ancient Egyptians, not for modern mathematics.

[@darylphuah]

When I was 14, I struggled with algebra for the entire year. Teacher was useless when I asked "why" questions. Then I got an engineering student as a tutor to teach me twice a week for 90 minutes each session. In 6 weeks, I not only understood algebra, I had a solid foundation in maths that I didn't need to pay attention in maths class anymore for the next 3 years. Its crazy how inefficient school can be

[@StarboyXL9]

Apprenticeships ftw

[@seanclarencesalipong7936]

Cause they are too old to afford new things to adopt.

[@portreemathstutor]

Yes, I remember reading my maths textbook when I was off sick with chickenpox. When I went back to school I was two years ahead. If you allow children to follow a subject they enjoy they don't half get through it fast.

[@Makememesandmore]

It's true, why do we need to spend 17 yrs going to school?! Our brains are the best when we're young, so why don't they teach us the harder stuff earlier, because then we'll remember it better? Exams are also totally unnecessary. We're trying to understand a topic, not memorise it!

[@sanchayande8081]

In my states everyone have agreed that schools are only good for collecting certificates and marksheets. Students without any tutions (learning from teachers outside school) will not be able to learn anything. Even teachers of famous schools teaches students outside school and make side income.

[@DavidGoben]

Common Core is meant to slow the fast kids down. It is all about Equity. No one is permitted to excel. Everyone gets a trophy. THANK GOD I was out of school before Common Core was a thing.

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

My gifted kid got the answers right but the problems wrong for not showing all the common core work. He didn’t understand the point. He can do complex math in his head and get it right so being forced to do elementary math like this drove him crazy. His teacher said showing the work is more important. That if he shows his work and does it the common core way, he can get the points even if the answer is wrong.

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to You should really take your kids out of that school before too much damage is done.

[@AlphanumericCharacters]

You have no idea what you are talking about. This stuff is all about teaching them a sense of numbers. Eventually it leads to them doing the calculations in their heads. They also will teach the tried and true method that the lady demonstrated in the beginning. In second grade my kid was asking how old everyone in the family was and calculating the year they were born….in his head.

[@SC-gp7kt]

Me too!

[@thatShadowKat]

@@AlphanumericCharacters In second grade my teachers accused me of having my parents do my maths homework. So, the administration gave me a 100 question pop test, put me in a room by myself and had me take it in an hour. I finished in half the time and the result was that they made me skip 3rd grade, and afterward wanted me to skip 5th as well. Thing is, some people already have an innate sense of numbers, why slow them down?

[@muzankibutsuji8919]

This is a massive gripe I have always had with a lot of teachers in the elementary school system. They create a method that everyone can understand, which ends up making it incredibly inefficient for any kids who has any talent whatsoever.

[@cheriem432]

I thank God I got out of school before this nonsense was instituted.

[@Kurushimi1729]

I think in this case this new strategy isn't to make things "easier". It just teaches different skills. I think this new strategy teaches the concept of distributivity better.

[@KamuiSeph]

It's both sad and funny that the kid goes from one double digit addition problem to another one. Not by adding, mind you, but by fucking COUNTING. And then solves the second equation by... Just adding? Wtf was the point of that first step? At that point just add 17 goddamn dots, start at 46 and count upwards. What a fucking joke.

[@barriakarl]

Legit would be quicker.

[@bubblelyte401]

..because the tens wants to be with its friend... makes not no f'ing rhyme or reason when doing math or understanding numbers.

[@shanzi1930]

It is sad. But, your comment made me laugh 😀

[@huldu]

Sounds like you have a problem with dots, might be a childhood trauma? I'm just joking, my mind imploded when I saw the kid go at it. No surprise kids can't tell the time by looking at an analog clock nowadays. I'm not saying the school system was better when I was a kid but at least they taught us to think for ourselves.

[@beatles42ohgg94]

its the modern day, in which we do in fact have a calculator in our pocket everywhere we go. remember how hard it was for us to "show our work" when we were in school. they have to teach the math in a way they are actually counting.

[@susancarlson9182]

This happened with me and my daughter. She brought home some math problems and didn't understand how to do it. So I looked at them and was confused on how they wanted her to do it. I taught her how I was taught and she understood. She did all the problems and had the right answers. Brought the paper back a couple days later and got a bad grade because she didn't do them the way they wanted her to.

[@estherruth4692]

And hopefully you pulled her out of that school?

[@MrJacksspleen]

No, he kept her in and a few years later she had preferred pronouns and wanted to remove her breasts.

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

Yep. My son’s teacher said if he gets the problem right but doesn’t do it the common core way, he doesn’t get the points. But, if he does it the common core way and arrives at the incorrect answer, he’ll still get full points. Makes me scared to go over bridges this generation builds.

[@MyCityNeedsMe]

​@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to That is so disgusting. All they want kids to learn is how to comply with authority, not how to actually critically think.

[@debbienash4170]

That infuriates me. Common core math is gobbledygook. Serves no purpose.

[@SalvableRuin]

If they destroy math, which is a foundational subject for science, you also destroy science and reason.

[@midnightcoffee6463]

They did that long ago with the Trans bs

[@SquirrellyShenanigans]

yes! ..... I said this over 12 years ago when I pulled my kids out of public school... since when do we "discuss" math? 1+1=2 no matter how you feel about it..🙄

[@HTMangaka]

Math never needed to be "Fixed". It was fine! ....English on the other hand...

[@FuckYouCuckFaggotCensorStasiSc]

HAHAH!!! You must have missed when they destroyed reason first, and then science. Math was like... 5th or 6th on the list.

[@Remour]

Both sides have been doing that for a while.

[@Bruh-bk6yo]

HE JUST DID THE SAME THING. HE LITERALLY SAID "47+16=40+10+7+6=40+10+13" IN CHILDISH WAY.

[@pinkiepie1656]

Yeah, but with 14 extra steps. I can drive two blocks to the grocery store, or I can drive around the entire state and pull into the same grocery store.

[@stf5876]

Well... did you learn that way ? Or did you lean the old way ?

[@S45g]

They are the same way, but he just drew it out graphically, it's the exact same when you look at the numbers

[@Bruh-bk6yo]

@@stf5876 I did learn the old way. For example, 1747299+2849052, I add 17+28=45, 47+49=96, 299+052=351. Now put it together, voila, 4596351. Or 475929949+2647844, in this case, I split the number with bigger place values, it's 475929949 and I split it into the sum of two numbers, one of them matches with the second one by amount of place values. 470000000+5929949+2647844 and use the same: 470000000+8577793=478577793. Practicing it every single time when I'm feeling it just to practice, a good simplification for a brain, so... man, I need to think about my life.

[@davidg4288]

This is almost exactly how I was taught arithmetic in Catholic school in the early 1960's. It's nothing new, and it has nothing to do with politics. It was a way to sneak in the concept of base 10 at an early age, which drove some parents crazy. Later grades added different base arithmetic. Fortunately my parents understood. Mom understood it as a useless but fun mathematical puzzle. Dad worked for NASA and just told me to pay attention to base 2 and 8, and there would be a base 16 someday. There sure was! They also taught the Roman and Mayan number systems.

[@arthouston7361]

Get your kids out of schools like that right now. Save them.

[@puttervids472]

All public schools use a version

[@a9029k]

@@puttervids472

[@TheThetruthmaster1]

Oh sure... you went to Harrvard

[@puttervids472]

@@TheThetruthmaster1 what does that mean ? You think basic math is taught at Harvard ?

[@extremebeastreaction6245]

I’m in private so I’m good

[@StageWatcher]

A child telling the parent, "Let me show you how it's actually done" is the spirit of modern education. It's not about teaching the child what is right. It is about convincing the child that the parent is wrong. Edit: Lots of people are pointing out this is a kid being a kid. There's truth to that. The problem is our education system preys on that and nurtures it all the way through to the end of university.

[@martindenham2207]

Wow! That is scary.

[@rafaelgabrielgarlinidal-bo9496]

Real f'ed up fr

[@racingraptor4758]

That's the goal. Parents and elders are wrong ... Big brother is right ...

[@martindenham2207]

@@racingraptor4758 Agreed, if you're on the side of big brother that is.

[@ajourney50]

This is how the socialists and communists achieve their goals. They convince the kids that the parents are wrong.

[@cqwiii]

if you cant make the dumbest kids smarter, drag everyone else down to their level how else could we hope to achieve equity? 🤦‍♂️

[@henkvandenbergh1301]

Remember: the 'I" from DEI: IDIOTS

[@Demy1970]

This is communism

[@mattm4885]

Yup that’s the unfortunate part of public education system. They have stopped letting the smart kids get ahead and have since forced them to learn at the rate of the slowest kid in class.

[@henkvandenbergh1301]

@@mattm4885 Imagine a school kid with a brain: one more lost vote for the left.

[@bills5009]

Trump is promising to end the Dept. of Education & let everything go back to the states. This needs to be done.

[@davidmccool2458]

It’s ridiculous… when I was a school board director, i mentioned common core math is the dumbing down of American children.

[@DAK59]

My wife was a teacher that taught In School Suspension. The had to help kids in 6th through 8th grades with all of their classes. She frequently showed kids the "old way of doing math". The kids frequently found the old ways easier to understand and faster. She would then show the kids how the old way translates to the new way because the kids wouldn't get credit if they used the old way. The kids also frequently used the old way to verify their answers.

[@stephenbrecht1696]

I often wonder how the Romans constructed all of their engineering, marvels

[@python27au]

How can you fail if your answers are correct? We had to show working out so that if we got the wrong answer they could still see we knew how to solve the problem, we’d then get a half mark for showing correct logic. If you didn’t show the working out, you’d still get a mark if the answer was correct.

[@ChefBuckeye]

@@python27au It has to do with not showing the correct techniques. My calculus professor didn't give points for skipping the epsilon-delta work for the actual calculus techniques (which those questions were specifically examining epsilon-delta techniques.) There were also complicated problems that required specifically knowing how to maximize calculus 1 techniques for something that partial fractions or integration by parts can solve (both of those were calculus 2 concepts, again no points were awarded to those students.) Math is big on proof behind the answers. That goes all the way at the top level of abstract mathematics to bottom level arithmetic. Part of learning math is learning how to visualize a very abstract concept. And for me, the work fills in for not studying well enough to actually make it to the answer. Getting half credit because I could do almost every step except the last one is quite valuable. Its the difference between a 25 and a 75 out of 100 on a exam.

[@DixieDaydreamer]

Same thing with my daughter, I had to teach the "old ways" and then help her convert. The problem to my mind is we no longer teach times tables by rote. Modern teaching is about the "illusion of individuality", back in the 70s and 80s there was none this political correctness crap, they simply brainwashed the basics into us and then we were allowed to be individuals when they knew we could be trusted.

[@python27au]

@@ChefBuckeye at the level i was at you had to know how to work out the answer to get the answer, no calculators allowed. So if you got the right answer then you obviously knew how to do it. If you got it wrong then either you didn’t or you made an error, showing your working allowed the teacher to see where you went wrong. It’s just basic math, wouldn’t know calculus if i tripped over it.

[@Iloveanimesosftu]

This is totally stupid. It’s making them count, not add, which will literally decrease their knowledge on addition. It’s slowing them down and not doing any benefit whatsoever. Pathetic.

[@TarsonTalon]

You misspelled addition, but it was an easy slip.

[@Iloveanimesosftu]

@@TarsonTalon Thanks for telling me. I thought I wrote addition, not addiction.

[@JCfireman]

Thought your nationality said lesbian. It made me giggle, I should wear my glasses more

[@Ovotun]

don't know why people are treating this as if all teachers do this. As a new gen kid all my teachers who taught math taught us the old way. Not the end of the world, folks

[@Iloveanimesosftu]

@@JCfireman Not the reply I expected, that made me laugh.

[@billbliss1518]

I teach high school. It is MINDBLOWING how many freshmen come in who have never taken a geography course of any kind, cannot read script, don’t know the times tables, do not know the parts of speech, and do not know Roman numerals. I don’t know what the hell they’re doing in grade school.

[@Mindraker1]

would of, should of, might of

[@overcomingobstaclescreates1695]

@@Mindraker1 One of my pet peeves!

[@bigredracingteam9642]

@@overcomingobstaclescreates1695 It could of been worst!

[@MinistryofPeace]

Learning about their 130 gender choices.

[@maryjanechuckgmail6231]

I concur!

[@galaxythedragonshifter]

This is part of the reason I combined my 11th and 12th grade into one year and homeschool. I was fed up and wanted to move on with my life. Even in homeschool, the program had common core, and I still needed a little more time to work on it (and I still dont fullt understand it). Thank GOODNESS i was in a private school that refused to teach common core when I was younger.

[@juliegouker4946]

This is why I totally stand behind abolishing the department of education

[@MichaelPohoreski]

Dept. of Indoctrination. They teach kids what to think, not HOW to think, or different approaches to actually _understand_ the problem. America is fucked.

[@jeanjaz]

I don't know about abolishing the department of education, but I do know it needs to be totally reworked. Maybe delegated to the state level. I remember in the late 60s, in my kin's home towns where my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins grew up, a number of my relatives were on the school board. I remember them discussing the vote to accept or not accept government funding, because accepting government funding gave the feds the right to dictate what and how you taught. The government decided your school books and many regulations. It was a hot argument, but I know at some time they finally accepted government funding. My parnts didn't live in the area (Willamette Valley, OR) when it changed so I don't know the background - maybe they were finally forced to. Kind of sad.

[@KurtColville]

It won’t be. Your fellow American won’t stand for it.

[@chucklesthered2338]

@@KurtColville Then our 'fellow Americans' are brainwashed.

[@vwwvwwwvwwwvwwvvwwvw]

...and our student loans :)

[@deadli-us]

It’s like they said “How can we make this as inefficient as possible?” The government is great at figuring that out.

[@tungzauzage977]

This is how kamala's brain works, but she uses crayons.

[@secondchance6603]

Or the teachers decided they need to make the kids dumber than they are or their gig will be up.

[@dougshellusn]

How do you do mental math? Do you "write" 3-4 digit numbers in you head and just try to memorize the way you were taught or do you break numbers up into place or round numbers (253x3 becomes 250x3 + 3x3) If you do it the second easy (place and rounding) you already do common core, you just learned it in your head as a way to skip steps instead of from a teacher as a primary method of mathematics

[@user-gv4cx7vz8t]

@@dougshellusn No, because doing it the way you showed requires knowing the multiplication tables and takes way less time than the common core digits counting method the kid showed in the video.

[@hahahano2796]

@@user-gv4cx7vz8t Shhh, she doesn't want to know that "common core" isn't what it was advertised as and any "trick" or "shortcut" is common core because they said so.

[@Taureanfitness]

Apparently this common core math isn't applicable to real life because when I go into a local store in town and there's a teenager as the cashier, when I hand them a $20 bill. They look at me like I have 3 heads. They have a very difficult time giving me change.

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@Taureanfitness and yet common core math was the standard way old school cashiers used to give back change before registers told you what to give back. You can quite literally go on KZbin right now and look for videos on how to count change back and see for yourself that they're exactly counting up using CC math. Why ? Because it's faster, more efficient and less error prone. It's the absolute worst example you could have possibly picked to try and throw shades at CC math. It's amazing honestly.

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@Taureanfitness You do realize that CC math has been the standard for old school cashiers to count back change long before registers told you what to give back, right ? You can quite literally go on KZbin right know and witness old school cashiers counting up using the same exact method as CC math. Why ? They'll tell you themselves : it's easier, faster and less error prone. Quite amazing that you somehow managed to pick the very worst example you could have possibly picked to throw shades at CC math.

[@marcosgonzalez4207]

​@@ailurusfulgens1849 i don't know, i used to count money and give the change a lot of times Doing the procces is jus slower and harder A banker maybe would use it, but a cashier never

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@marcosgonzalez4207 as I said, you can litteraly go on KZbin and check for yourself, this really isn't up to debate, it's just a statement of fact. You, and most people in this comment section, are so conditioned doing step-by-step maths that you're assuming the steps the kid is taking are necessary. They are not, the steps are there as part of the teaching, they are there to help the kid learn and understand the process. As he gets more and more familiar with the process and develops his pattern recognition he'll be able to skip most of them.

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@marcosgonzalez4207You know what's slow and inefficient ? Arguing something you could have easily checked yourself. >How do you give change back properly? Count up from the amount of the purchased item to the other amount paid. For example, if they are purchasing a sandwich that costs $7.59, and they gave you $20, you would start at $7.59 and give them money, counting up until you reached $20. Count out loud to avoid confusion. Literally using the CC subtraction method.

[@wasblindbutnowsee]

I went to public school 1958 through 1970 . Repetition will teach ANYTHING. If you make a kid write , The war of 1812 was fought in 1812," one hundred times ,he'll remember forever. The janitor can teach every subject except math. Teachers understand repetition AND THEY HATE REPETITION. They change things and change the ways they teach BECAUSE THEY'RE BORED. They don't care about children. They care about that paycheck and those 3 months of vacation.

[@Jwoll944]

You know, I am in 8th grade and I’m taking algebra 1. I go to school in a small rural town, but thank the lord I was taught the proper way to do math. I have never seen all these extra steps, it’s a real shame some kids are being taught like this.

[@CrystalRX]

Also in 8th grade but in geometry. Last year I would have absolutely not passed algebra 1 with this method, it is so utterly time consuming and requiring no brain power that my brain would not have been stretched hard enough to do any of this. It's like working out. Stretching out your muscles every day will get you stronger until you stop, but then instead of that, you use steriods. Sure it works, but in the end you are not training your body for anything and its absolutely terrible for it.

[@Jwoll944]

@@CrystalRX I know, I would be sitting in the regular classes rather than the advanced classes if I was doing math this way. Work smarter not harder.

[@zhiqiangchen6235]

There’s a field in math that’s all about simplification. It’s really great to see and it’s very useful. Unfortunately we have resulted in stupid strategy’s like F.O.I.L, where instead of either building a box plot or look at the coefficient and constant, you write EVERY single equation possible and then combine them together. Try doing that with quartic equations and you will see that it is stupid, mainly because it’s 64 individual equations and 127 individual steps. For an assignment, we were given 100 algebra I problems to solve in the format of (x+y)(x+z). The only people who completed it in under 40 minutes used box plots or variable coefficient methods. Everyone who used to stupid method got

[@piggygaming3455]

Same here, I’m in 8th grade and taking Honors Algebra 1. And this “new math” looks more annoying then literal algebra

[@LeRoy_Jenkins1]

​@@piggygaming3455I'm in 7th grade and taking algebra 1 and this hurts my brain

[@rg5445]

This is what’s been happening for years. My kids went through it and it’s not just math, it’s everything. Complete madness with no curriculum, no evaluating or testing and definitely not failing. Everyone passes no matter what. There are probably two generations of grown children now unable to think.

[@sonic31century1]

Those two generations of grown children unable to think, think Kamala Harris should be the next President Of The United States Of America.

[@Plisken65]

Just what they want

[@michaeldavid6832]

That's how you make someone a lifetime dependent and an utterly obedient NPC. This isn't how you make citizens. This is how you make s****s. I can't even spell the word or YT removes the comment. Thats how far corrupted things have become.

[@jackthepirate9233]

Part of the plan.

[@mariantreber8055]

They don't really read books and they print instead of write. Printing is for babies. Handwriting is an art that comes from the heart. It's art. It's beauty. ..they don't want beauty they want CHAOS. Don't let the left win, ever.

[@jasonkable1462]

Kid can count by 10s but doesn't immediately know 6+7=13. This makes me really appreciate the old school style.

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@jasonkable1462 you do realize that old school cashiers, whose jobs quite literally is doing additions and substractions all day along, have been using CC math for decades right ? Is that the old school style you're speaking about ?

[@nopenoperson9118]

@@ailurusfulgens1849 Source?

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

The tragic part of this is, this new math system takes ten times longer than what the old math system does. Wait until you get to triple digits or even quad triple digits. You'd have to spend like fifteen minutes working out one simple math equation with the "new" math style. This lady did the old school math in 5 seconds flat, where the kid spent at least one minute doing this dog's breakfast math. This is absolutely tragic.

[@legacymse7095]

​@@nopenoperson9118 Source: Just go outside in any store lmfao 🤣

[@Vic_Chaos_]

​@@ailurusfulgens1849why are you insulting cashiers like that? Not all of them are as stupid as you are.

[@rogelioestanislaojr3261]

This is a visual representation of how i do math in my head. It's basically teaching you how to reverse engineer the math problem. Funny thing is teachers said my math was wrong because I did math like this in my head,but now they are teaching it. There is not just one way to do math.

[@Deadsnake00]

Its designed to make people docile and obedient instead of free thinking and self reliant

[@Ivellios23]

You say this on every post. In kindergarten we spent our first lesson with Dice to "visualize" it. Then we moved on. We went a week or so with enough "workspace" next to the problems if anyone needed it. Then, if someone still needed workspace it was with scratch/scrap paper, but those who didn't need it moved on. The reason why no one has cured cancer by now is the intentional dumbing and holding the intelligent back to spare the feelings of the slow. At least back then they knew the world didn't revolve around them. People were motivated to learn by being rewarded for being first. And it encouraged those who weren't to try harder. Bush's push for vegetables first, intelligence last, approach did exactly to this country that i knew was going to happen, fk this country up. Multiplication is basically shorthand addition. And exponents is shorthand multiplication. Once someone knows the basics they don't need to do long form. It's a TEACHING TOOL, not to be used once you've passed the lesson.

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

⁠It’s simply a visual representation which is only beneficial to kids who need that visualization. This should be an option, not a requirement.

[@SlayerPDX]

Common core is beneficial to nobody. Unless you want a dumb confused kid.

[@majinnemesis]

@the_wanderful_life no it's not,it's way too complicated and with too much steps for that and other countries don't use it and kids learn math better

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

@the_wanderful_life But this isn’t just an alternative way that they teach. This is a requirement and all students must use this method and only this method. That’s the problem.

[@jeffarp7409]

If there was ever a way to drive a wedge between kids and parents, common core is it. COMMON CORE IS GARBAGE.

[@jayedatredes2890]

Communism core.....

[@3nertia]

@@jayedatredes2890 Dunning-Kruger core, using "Communism" incorrectly lmfao

[@AnhThuLy-if9nf]

@@jayedatredes2890 no, dont put "communism" in this shit, in communist countries they teach students the old way. if it is "communism" then why is a "capitalist" country using it instead of those who follow "communism" then?

[@jayedatredes2890]

@@3nertia Communism iis about people having "equal outcome" despite various strengths or weaknesses right? Well, this kind of math makes every student equally slow in computing dispute variations of intelligence.

[@3nertia]

@@jayedatredes2890 Intelligence is poorly defined anyway ...

[@VarkDriver]

My grandson moved to Seattle and did standard stacked addition. The teacher tried to pull this garbage, his parents told her that he will continue to do math the NORMAL way.

[@robinr2740]

I live in seattle. NOT surprised.

[@patrickcarleton3924]

I've seen firsthand how dumb our schools have made our kids. Go to any fast food or retail store and watch them try to make change. If the computer doesn't tell them what to do they're lost. I teach my grandson math so when he goes to school he'll be ahead of the game.

[@ailurusfulgens1849]

@@VarkDriver it's funny because you've used common core math your whole life without realizing it. You're just spitting on something you don't understand nor understand why you're spitting on it, just looks weird to you so you don't like it.

[@VarkDriver]

@@ailurusfulgens1849 I have an Aeronautical Engineering degree and 2 Masters. I've never used the methods that were being taught, which are highly inefficient. Therefore, HAWK TUA on those methods.

[@thedestroyerofworlds8685]

​@@ailurusfulgens1849 bootlicker spotted

[@vx4982]

My sister hired an old school retired math professor to teach her daughter math using a slide rule. The results were amazing.

[@TheJunky228]

back when I was in third grade or so, I remember being taught all those steps for addition, multiplication, division. Parents showed me the way they learned it. I and other kids brought up the same thing in class and the teacher had us raise our hands for which way we preferred to learn division, the new or old way. it was about 50/50 split and our teacher actually taught the rest of the curriculum covering both the old and 'new' ways. great teacher

[@kittycat8222]

Teachers are not allowed anymore though.

[@deantaylor5177]

@@kittycat8222 Really? Where's your proof?

[@kittycat8222]

@@deantaylor5177 when I was taught this method in 2012 while finishing graduate school. You know, a masters degree in Education. In the literal school setting I was not allowed to teach the old method to k-5 students.

[@bettafish541]

​@@kittycat8222teach both anyway, if anyone questions it in a negative way act like you didn't know you couldn't do it

[@HikaHima]

That would actually make sense because the old way would be preferred by the half of the class that understood math vs the lower half not being able to understand and needing the more time consuming method of counting fingers. That's crazy accurate.

[@jamesyoung187]

We would never have gotten out of the stone age with that approach to math.

[@Nanogrip]

Bring back the same mathematics that gave us the generations of great scientists and artists such as Einstein, Tesla, Newton, Mozart, etc.

[@GrifGrey]

self study is how these people were smart. Einstein mastered Integral Calculus by 15.

[@GotMyTowel42]

Hungary had some good stuff in their edu sys. Instead of focusing on memorisation, students would focus on problem solving and pattern recognition. This enables the independent discovery of stuff like the Pythagorean Theorem. It's also why Hungary produced many geniuses, some of which helped with the Manhattan Project.

[@terrancewright3358]

They had monstrous degrees of self study, and took it upon themselves to delve into topics you wont be regularly taught in school.

[@jaredgilmore3102]

Route memorization had a large part to do with it as well, I'm not saying its efficient or all that useful by itself but it is a great brain exercise, if someone can memorize books of poetry, multiplication tables the preamble to the constitution etc. their brains can hold more information simultaneously allowing them to find new solutions to problems that no one has yet figured out how to solve. It also teaches discipline which in todays age of screens and tech is almost entirely non-existent.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@GotMyTowel42 >Students would focus on problem solving and pattern recognition Ahh, I see why the Elites hate Hungary now. Hungary is training its people to be anti-subversion detectors.

[@artgirlerina1797]

Another reason we will be homeschooling. The education system not only fails our children, but we as parents must have an active part in their education too. Keeping them safe and teaching them the right way, not over complicating things and indoctrinating them.

[@janeenschultz8502]

I love homeschooling my kids. I use a combination of PACE, Abeka, and Life Pac. I'm also a member of the HSLDA for legal defense in case anything happens.

[@bills5009]

This is the best argument for eliminating the Dept. of Education and let the states handle it.

[@TheGreatoutdoorsAndGourmetVic]

Donny Osmond has a LOT to answer for! (Just ask Alice Cooper!)

[@SarthorS]

Which ends up with extremists taking control and qualifications becoming meaningless in other states. You fix the education system. You don't hand it over to local bumpkins.

[@23503129]

​@@SarthorSyeah, because the current education system indoctrinating kids into the lgbtq ideology is not extremist.

[@syncradar]

What? Although this is dumb, your idea surely poses more problems.

[@hahahano2796]

@@SarthorS Because handing it to non-local "experts" has helped so much lol

[@youtubecensors5419]

A few reasons: Parents can't help, so children learn they must only trust The State. It isn't intuitive, so it teaches children to only listen to The State, not themselves. It intellectually fatigues them so they hate learning. All they have energy left for is video games and entertainment.

[@RG066]

That's half of our lives in a nutshell, bro. Your onto something

[@SuperMsPharmacy]

This is facts!!! And terrifying.

[@carpballet]

Go Ravens!!!

[@bigredracingteam9642]

@the_wanderful_life Most of us learn to count by fingers as toddlers. There's no need to force counting dots upon school-children. Sorry if that's the "brightest" way you know.

[@extremebeastreaction6245]

@the_wanderful_lifeI disagree. Once you can count using fingers for small numbers 1-10 then you go on to do larger ones next because it’s supposed to be a cumulative subject. You already now 5+5 now do 7+8 and after you know adding to 20, start doing in your head.

[@JayM928]

This math was designed to make math make sense to kids that aren't so good at math. It's supposed to help them visualize the WHY behind all the symbols. Unfortunately, like all things run by govt, the process becomes more important than the purpose and you become a slave to the process.

[@emmapeel8163]

it's unnecessary for 80-90% of pupils. why force it on all ?

[@henkvandenbergh1301]

@@emmapeel8163 Because those 80-90% are not allowed to be smarter than the rest. That is some kind of ....ist or ...ism.

[@MOE-db8oc]

@@emmapeel8163 Exactly

[@muskaos]

@@emmapeel8163 You _know_ why: _every_ government solution is one size fits all.

[@79nutterbutter]

Couldn't have said it better. I was taught a quick little trick like this when I was a kid in the 80's and I still use it today.

[@Mnerd7368]

When I was in university I have taken college algebra, Precalculus, Calculus (Differential Calculus), Linear Algebra, and Calculus II (Integral Calculus) and I did the traditional "old" math and passed all my undergraduate math college-level courses. The "new" common core math is going to make the math harder for the younger generation.

[@SwanOnChips]

We homeschooled our 6 kids with a weekly support group, and this is what I observed: 1) they did creative projects during non book learning time, 2) were friendly to people of all ages including the elderly (much less peer dependency, 3) had no lack of social interaction and not with bad influencers.

[@OceanSwimmer]

Good job! I hope you've mentored a few parents through what could be a somewhat intimidating process. More families who want to homeschool need to hear from you! Congratulations!

[@Welldunn]

I got my degree in mathematics and this makes my head hurt because it’s so redundant and time inefficient

[@jaredleicht1656]

It's obviously to handicap the next generation against Ch ! Na.

[@overcomingobstaclescreates1695]

@the_wanderful_life Funny how you didn't tack on the "Sorry you aren't bright enough" part of your copypasta comment when replying to the math major.... 🤔🤪

[@perceptoshmegington3371]

@the_wanderful_lifemate it’s clearly a worse way of doing it. This is apparent to people from every generation.

[@Zaphod771]

​@the_wanderful_life, you keep posting this to defend this idiotic method, but even for large numbers, you still wouldn't do it this way. The traditional way of teaching became the traditional way as a result of endless failure from the method used in common core.

[@theWebWizrd]

I am a former math olympiad contestant and fellow math graduate, and I often do addition in a similar way to this in my head - either I separate tens and ones or I make full tens, like for the 47+16 example I would move 3 over from 16 to 47 to make a round 50 plus the remaining 13, and 50÷13=50+10+3=63. I actually feel like these ways of adding seem very similar except the kid for some reason using lines instead of numbers, which seem stupid and unnecessary, and the whole physically drawing a framework around with T and O. But my take shouldn't really count in these things at all, teachers shouldn't make things that makes sense for me but things that makes sense for most students, and those two things are probably quite different.

[@sentinel1099]

I once spent 45 minutes explaining to my crying 4th grader why - while he got the right answer and could do so consistently - he was marked wrong because he didn’t do it the way he was told. Here’s the thing, there’s more than one way to learn. I get that Common Core ostensibly helps kids understand the “concept” of what one, seven, ten, thirty-four, etc actually are. That can be helpful for SOME as they get older. But others are 100% capable of just learning the mechanics of math and use that understanding until they grow into connecting how those mechanics tie into the real world. A challenge of centralizing Education theory is that EVERY CHILD becomes the subjects of social experiments. I’m sure Common Core helps some, but it certainly hurts others and there’s no reliable evidence that it’s ANY better than other methods. In fact it’s probably best to see how an individual child learns best and use that approach rather than skew everyone’s experience based on a few PhDs intent on making a name for themselves or trying to feel like they actually accomplished something in their lives.

[@maidenminnesota1]

You nailed it. It's theory, and the students are the subjects of the experiments. I was a math subject of the "new math" of the 1970s. That's why, to this day, I can't math beyond the stuff I learned through rote memorization.

[@Claudialupper]

EXACTLY. That is exactly right. It is all based on some education graduate student wanting to come up with a convoluted system to base the next education cult on. Most kids need the HOW. If they are smart, they figure out the WHY over time.

[@MinistryofPeace]

The right answer is the ONLY thing that matters in math. Just ask anyone taking the ACT/SAT. My child could also consistently get the right answers but would get marked wrong because he did not use the cumbersome method he was being taught. I had a meeting with the teacher and told her that the dummies in the class are given points for the "work" even though their answers were wrong and in math, the right answer should ALWAYS count as a point no matter what so they could give him points off for not using the method but never for the right answer. Who do you want building the bridge? They got the point. Don't let them do this to your children.

[@CodeMonkey188]

​@@MinistryofPeace The right answer is the only thing that matters in standardized testing and the real world. However, in education, it is important to learn processes and algorithms because they often are building blocks for more complex problems or advanced topics later on. As I always tell my kids: the teacher didn't put the question on the test because they wanted to know the answer; they want you to demonstrate that you have learned how to solve problems like this.

[@MinistryofPeace]

@the_wanderful_life Who do you want to build the bridge? I know you are going to hire the guy that knows how he got the answer but still has it wrong. Good luck, Bro.

[@davidmoreno5258]

Teacher here: These methods are introduced to students to show them other ways of solving problems. Yes, these methods are often VERY INEFFICIENT, but they still benefit at least one student who needs a VISUAL representation of numbers/variables/mathematical concepts. A good teacher shows this method, then shows the "standard" way (like the mother showed), and lets the student choose which method they prefer to suit their needs. I see parents commenting "the teacher has a weird method so I teach my kids another way." A good teacher would accept this and allow the students to demonstrate the method(s) they learned from others in case it's actually better than the method the teacher taught. Anyway, the overwhelming majority of students will choose the most efficient way because they can clearly see they don't need to waste all that time, especially after you model it and show the fact it saved A LOT of time.

[@TheresaKretschmar]

Right, but don’t punish the student with a bad grade if they chose not to waste time and do it more efficiently as long as the answer is correct.

[@davidmoreno5258]

@@TheresaKretschmar correct!

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

Why should everyone learn a bunch of unnecessary extra processes just to benefit one or two students? This is the consequence of “equity work”. You’re dragging everyone down for a few outliers. They should get extra help outside of the classroom. Your argument makes me want to homeschool my children again.

[@kaizen2095]

remember parents, school is not there to make your kids smarter, once they learn to read, write and count, its basically daycare till the factory doors close.

[@Ranstone]

@the_wanderful_life You clearly didn't learn it well enough, or you'd realize it's the exact same thing as what the mother did, just with overly complicated setup and steps.

[@sethwilliams4015]

​@the_wanderful_life Pretty sure large swaths of millennials, Gen X, Boomers, AND the silent generation think this is approach is terrible, and I dont mean some dude who made a political comment with no background. Im talking anyone who uses math in their professions. From construction workers & architects who do napkin math all the time. Engineers who work out physics problems regularly, Accountants that doe arithmetic all day. If so many people from so many different backgrounds that have to functionally utilize mathematics in their daily life are all asking WTF is being achieved measurably by doing it like this, that should give you at least some pause.

[@Elrog3]

@@sethwilliams4015 Exactly. This guy is copy pasting his nonsense all over the place on this video.

[@Elrog3]

@the_wanderful_life This isn't just a practical example. They've clearly been doing it way too long for that if they have the kids trained to make a chart and draw dotted lines before counting them one by one. To get the concept across before moving on to just doing the math should take less than a single class session. Draw this chart once in one class and once more for the kids that missed class that day if needed. No more.

[@bearsausage8599]

@the_wanderful_life I graduated from one last year, they awful centers of non-free thought, that grossly either overcomplicate or undercomplicate anything. They even manage to suck the creativity out of the whole school environment altogether to the point that no one has any real motivation to learn, just get things done. Besides you can graduate with abysmal GPAs having learned nothing. All of my tutors and actual smart people I've met through my life never taught me the way school liked for me to learn. I remember the year I actually became not horrible at math, and it was great, no thanks to "modern classrooms" or CC education.

[@quantumfailure-zl2op]

First time i see this and i have a question. WHY parents in the USA dont complain and revolt? Why you let this happen? Im not from the Usa but i dont get it how can parents allow this?

[@Alexden96Channel]

Legally children have to go to school unless parents say they’re homeschooled. However, there are numberless parents who can’t or won’t homeschool their kids, mostly because of being overworked and underpaid. So many parents’ hands are tied, but I wholly agree that our education system is an absolute trash heap. I don’t see this being resolved anytime soon, not with school board members with no teaching experience lining their pockets with taxpayer money

[@evanlim9098]

It really is sad that the parents don’t get any say over what the kid learns in school. Like the US education system really needs some work…

[@joeblow1942]

@@quantumfailure-zl2op Because by design parents are too busy working to pay confiscatory taxes to know their kids minds are being destroyed by Marxists.

[@jjc5871]

@@quantumfailure-zl2op Activist teachers that only care about lining their pockets and pushing their personal politics on the students. The teachers unions run the school system here and there’s nothing that can be done about it. Every teachers union in the country would need to be done away with and the department of education would need to be dissolved in order for any of this to get better. Considering the amount of money those unions funnel to politicians though, that will never happen. Whats absolutely insane to me is that it is a well known fact that teachers tend to make more than the average American, test scores continue to drop, and teachers are constantly going on strike to demand higher pay and more resources for students, but happily toss any and all request of resources for students when they get the pay bump that was their main goal. Parents do seem to be waking up though. There have been some pretty big stories about parents speaking out, quite loudly at times, at pta (parent teacher association) meetings the last couple of years for various reasons. Because of the power teachers unions have though, and the politicians that are firmly in their pockets, a number of those parents ended up being investigated by the fbi and labeled “domestic terrorists”. As much as I love this country, we are in desperate need of a realignment.

[@be-dog-free]

It’s different ways of counting big numbers

[@toreyez]

I thought I was the only one that thought this was crazy.

[@sergioomar9090]

This is just absurd.

[@kittycat8222]

Intentionally evil. So the child always comes home thinking “my parents won’t know how to help me so I’m doomed”.

[@NerveFlux]

I thought they were joking when my math instructors first mentioned arguing with the cities new math policy. New math policy? Huh? No one would believe this stuff. Oh hey it's all over the internet today. How about them apples.

[@sergioomar9090]

@@NerveFlux they tried this in my step children's district and it did not last. Conspiracy's no more the deep state is relying on raising emotional morons unable to do basic tasks while they rule the world. 🤣😂 Not today satan! We are coming back stronger than ever.

[@wisteria115]

I'm an 8th grader in a latin american country and OH MY FUCKING GOD, I'm so grateful i was teached math the old way

[@courierdubois]

Yeah I’m a 5th grader and taught the new way and oh my gosh, I’ve probably been the smartest in the class for eternity at this point but whenever I just do stack and add it’s wrong because I “Didn’t show my work.” It’s just so annoying like why are you making me write more? This makes me realize that I’ve not learned any bit of Math since Grade 3. This is just as bad as my class.

[@Musclecarera69]

That’s just simple addition, wait until pre-algebra, it’ll take a whole semester to do one formula.

[@bplovelove3119]

That’s not true at all. The kid is writing things down to be more precise and accurate because mental math meaning doing it all in your head and carrying the one is not even accurate. Once the kid gets older, he probably will not be taking so long to answer a simple so called mental math addition problem. He might take long to do pre algebra but if algebra is new to him of course it’s going to take long. Just so you know, you need to keep in mind there isn’t one correct way of learning things. Just like how you people focus on the steering wheel to focus on which way you back up out of your car and I will focus on the back of my car trunk to focus on how I want to back up my car.

[@randomguy8976]

@@bplovelove3119 re-read the comments of this video.

[@laiyemoboys9255]

Nah, wait until quadratics in algebra 1. It's a nightmare!

[@Paddy-ip7qk]

En verdad hay que ser muy estúpido para pensar que al niño le van a enseñar toda la matemática de la misma forma que lo que se ve en el video. Esto es lo que pasa cuando gente que no tiene absolutamente ninguna idea sobre educación se mete a opinar sin siquiera investigar un poco.

[@daveporter9222]

This explains how an 18-year-old I personally know could not add or subtract 2 two digit numbers in their head. They said they had to use a calculator. 🤯☮️🇺🇸

[@Beefster09]

You have to teach them the shortcuts too, and I think that’s the problem here. It seems like a decent way to explain to a certain type of kid how the underlying math works, but if you never practice the shortcuts or drill simple math, they’re gonna be slow.

[@jcor.6624]

Back in the day, we had calculators, but I never used it or very rarely. By the time someone could punch in the numbers, I was already done answering. All children should be well versed manually!!! Well, before using a calculator...

[@bigredracingteam9642]

@the_wanderful_life Arithmetic is not complex maths.

[@ramonbrito1945]

I would like to hear an experienced math teacher's take on this.

[@susanborkenhagen58]

​@@ramonbrito1945I taught 1st grade for over 15 years as well as 6th grade. This IS how you teach math...you have to make a 10. We have a base 10 math system. My students had no problem with this concept. Parents are not teachers, stick to what you know and we teachers will do our job as we always have. Home schooling is the biggest joke. You could always tell when you got a new student whether or not they were home schooled. It was obvious when they show their lack of social skills as well as being behind academically. Parents care more about cell phones in school than education. It has always been like this but it has gotten much worse in the past 13 years.

[@shellycarter155]

My stepson was learning algebra several years ago. I taught him how to do it to get the correct answer. The following day, he brought me home this math assignment and the teacher marked him “wrong” although the answer was correct! This pissed me off highly! When confronting the teacher, she advised me that I didn’t use the “common core” type of working the problem!!! I advised this teacher that my son would ONLY learn the correct way of doing math and he’d never better be marked wrong again for using said correct math! This crap is absolutely corrosive to our children’s brains!!! 🤬🤬🤬

[@abunchahoopla4392]

I'm completely against this "new core math" and fed up with the public school system. But may I ask if he had the way you taught him to work it out on his paper? Idk, obviously, how it was written out on his assignment. For example, though, if it was like in the video did he put the 1 over the 4 like the parent or did he just write the answer after working it out? I only ask bc teachers will typically count it against the student if there's nowhere to indicate the child knows how to do it, and wasn't just told the answers. It's still kinda dumb, I know, bc the parent can still tell the child to make it look like they worked it out etc. I don't like possibly defending the school. I'm not. But it's a sincere question. I understand it was several years ago and don't expect you to necessarily even remember, but if you do I'm curious

[@shellycarter155]

@@abunchahoopla4392 I taught him the correct way. Yes, it was worked out on paper but in the correct form. The same way I was taught. And you’re right, his answer was marked wrong only because it wasn’t worked out in the common core manner. It’s disgusting!

[@abunchahoopla4392]

@@shellycarter155 I understand. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I know it wasn't the most engaging question. It's kind of you to still answer

[@FranchiseCityOnline]

Not only the idiocy but also the virtuous arrogance has already been installed "Let me show you how it is actually done"

[@Sakhadezon]

Lil bro thinks he is the smart kid and it turns out it actually a hoax😭😭

[@Paddy-ip7qk]

Dudo que haya sido idea del niño grabar este video. Así que lo más probable es que su introducción sea parte de un guion creado por esa mujer con obvias intenciones de hacerlo objeto de burlas. Qué repugnante ver a un adulto manipular y exponer a un niño con el único fin de validar sus prejuicios. Y más bajo todavía lo de ese par de tipos utilizando el video con fines meramente políticos. La explicación del niño es excelente, le auguro un gran futuro. Se nota que entiende la matemática mejor que muchísimos adultos como los que están opinando en esta sección. Lástima que pasarán los años, él se volverá adulto y un día se encontrará a sí mismo en la red siendo parte de una crítica tan masiva como injusta por parte de gente con tan escaso cerebro que son incapaces de comprender una simple clase de matemática elemental.

[@RandyAnda]

@@Paddy-ip7qk What? Lol. Common core math is really inefficient, pathetically inefficient, it slows down kid/s who can ACTUALLY do math. Say what you want, but my opinion will *NOT* change about common core math.

[@prodigalpriest]

Common Core Math isn't helping the kids. It's actually making them STUPIDER.

[@redhytech]

That is the point of it

[@ralphyreece4687]

So glad I left that garbage.

[@mathis8210]

Thats the point. The goal is to make everyone equal. And since you can't make stupid smart, you have to make smart stupid.

[@Noximien]

More stupid*

[@one-eyepadidally8449]

Oh that hilarious irony... “Stupider” isn’t even a real word in the English language. People only use it if they’ve been dumbed down. 😂

[@mattlottes475]

That kid did a great job explaining what he was doing. His Mom's method was a lot quicker.

[@donaldobrien9171]

the kid's way is fine if you can count, but haven't memorized addition of the 10 numerals. If you know 6+7 = 13, Mom's way is best. This requires rote memorization, which is work, which is frowned upon.

[@awaitingbacklash5043]

The difference is that when he moves on to using the abridged method, he’ll understand what he’s doing - IF it was taught properly; and that’s a really fuck’n big if!

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@donaldobrien9171 All of the people supporting common core math haven't actually looked at just how much student results have dropped on average. It's a good way to teach for the kids who cannot keep up otherwise, but it drags down those who can learn faster methods a lot.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@awaitingbacklash5043 Must be why average literacy is dropping off a cliff.

[@donaldobrien9171]

@@thenonexistinghero don't get me wrong. I'm all for mom's method .

[@robbiewatson3525]

My boys are 4 and 5. Homeschooled 100%. I don’t let the devil play inside their heads.

[@benjiespinosa4703]

Amen!👏👏👏

[@metaljacket8128]

Nice

[@take_a_chance1942]

I use to be against homeschooling but I think you have the right idea now.

[@RizzGyat-vi4ie]

Bad parenting. Unless you have them play sports and interactive with other kids then w

[@slserenader]

not everyone can afford that, especially not these days. But yeah 100% homeschooling is a win

[@bobbyhampton1012]

So much of everything we do as humans today is wildly inefficient.

[@tuanorton]

Math teacher here. I actually teach kids both ways, the old and the new. In the tests, they can use whatever methods they are comfortable with, they will get the credits.

[@DeennisLucas]

That explains why you can Never get the right change back from any fast food restaurant when the Internet is down

[@mwallace2922]

Same here in 🇦🇺

[@TaLeng2023]

If they can't compute mentally, can't they just use the calculator app in their phones?!

[@jacobwhitley2895]

Obviously. He’s never had this happen before. Just say “ok boomer” and go on lol.

[@carultch]

What do they need the internet for? Even computers that existed before the internet, have built-in calculators.

[@3nertia]

@@carultch They need internet because the system won't process the transaction without one heh

[@Drew_D]

There needs to be a hard reset on the public education system.🤦‍♂️

[@patsk8872]

*a hard reset on everything

[@thatoneactualdude]

People keep blaming gen a for everything but look who's corrupting their minds in the first place.

[@algirdasltu1389]

A this point, a hard reset on humanity

[@emilymiller1792]

​@@patsk8872 The World Economic Forum is working on that--all for their benefit.

[@Hydrolysis_Moment]

Common core and the no child left behind act have simultaneously made smart kids uneducated while actively handicapping poor students. somehow the government gets the best of both worlds

[@tableseven8133]

When I was a kid like 7-12 years old. I depended on my Mom to make a multiplication chart. Well she eventually started one for me and then told me to finish the chart. The best way that was for me to learn my multiplication numbers. 12 X 12 + 144. 1 X 1 = 1 and 2 X 2 = 4, and 3 x 2 = 6 now you figure the rest out to make your chart. The other idea they are showing here is maybe a early version to make it sink it, or it is just a way to slow down everybody. I never took anything higher then business math, and I was shocked to find even in 9 and 10 grade some of my fellow classmates did not pass their math test. In a higher English class in 12 grade some still did not know what a preposition or prepositional phrase was. As for me, yes I was a poor writer, and lacked book, or writing comprehension back then, but I knew what a preposition was and how it is used. 1981

[@BeaverAmik]

Yup! I remember my DD in Grade 3 doing this for long division. She was struggling so much with it. When she tried showing me i had to stop her. I then went and showed her the easy way and she picked it up after two questions then flew through her homework. We now homeschool.

[@memmener]

I was born in Taiwan and moved to the US when I was 9. I literally didn’t learn anything new in math classes for 2 years. Even when there was new material, I would do my homework during class and turn it in at end of class and I still get A’s in math. And this was decades ago.

[@Lilbitatatime]

I pulled my kid out to do Kahn Academy for high school. He does online learning 2 hours a day and then he is free to do hands on STEM projects, works on hobbies and then goes outside the rest of his afternoon to hang with his best friend. He is so excited every day to tell me what he is learning. Best desicion ive made involving my childs education.

[@chaecoco2]

Kahn Academy is a fantastic resource.

[@Lilbitatatime]

@@chaecoco2 It really is awesome.

[@algirdasltu1389]

Theres tons of sources on the internet especially for math. Khan academy, 3b1b, trefor bazzet, bprp, and for physics i love watching walter lewin. I hate school, but that doesnt mean i hate learning. Me being like 3+ years ahead in math is proof of that. Hell, school even killed all my curiosity at some point.

[@Lilbitatatime]

@@algirdasltu1389 Thank you for sharing.

[@nyjsackexchange]

2nd grade teacher: Here's your arithmetic quiz- don't forget to show your work Kid: I'll need a ream of paper, a set of magic markers and a protractor

[@lenagraham2093]

We love homeschooling. Maybe it’s not for every family, but it’s been a blessing for our kids.

[@Claudialupper]

Agree 100%. Now I tutor advanced math homeschoolers. Love it.

[@tracytru1886]

YOU’RE a Blessing to your kids ❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@kizarumelon2477]

Idk. I’m. Chinese American so I might send my kids to China for schooling. Chemistry physics and math are the best there

[@kizarumelon2477]

American schools. Y’all are behind by way too much

[@mickeyreder1705]

Brother, I’m 63 and I saw them attempt “New Math” when I was in 3rd of 4th grade. It flopped.

[@quantisedspace7047]

I'm five years younger and I remember "new math" being introduced time and time again, every few years or so. Each "new" was different to the old "new". Don't get me going on about new spelling either. Literally, there were a few phases in UK where they tried to get everyone to learn to spell phonetically. This broke down as it wouldn't accommodate different regional accents: some people learned "was" as "woz" and some as "wuz".

[@jaytee2642]

I'm 66 and can confirm that "new math" keeps getting reinvented. Did your version include using a ruler? I have vague memories of using a ruler as a counting tool, but I can't remember the exact process...thankfully.

[@altamistral]

Although, New Math was whole opposite of Common Core.

[@user-gv4cx7vz8t]

​@@quantisedspace7047 You can learn to read phonetically, more or less, but spelling has to be taught one word at a time---at least until one is reading a LOT!

[@TheGhostFart]

@@jaytee2642 using a ruler to do math... what?

[@jesusjazzyogaspicytuna]

Robert Par had it right. "Why'd they change math? MATH IS MATH!"

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@the_wanderful_life This is literally the method people too st"pid for math were pulled aside and then given because they were too slow to keep up with the rest.

[@deletodraw1944]

@the_wanderful_life Yes, give everyone equality by slowing everyone down to slowest kid, and people wonder why gifted kids always struggle.

[@selenay502]

I’m so glad I was one of the last years to be taught ‘old’ math.

[@NJSins8shn]

The only good thing I could see about that new math is that the parents to run out for a cigarette or a quick errand and still come back and the child will just be finishing up

[@hahahano2796]

or milk...

[@kittycat8222]

You illustrated perfectly how lengthy and insane this method really is.

[@Wayne-Jones]

We have non teachers teaching our kids, and thats the problem in school today, none of them are qualified.

[@oompalumpus699]

They will teach your children this 🌈 though and how it's the most important thing ever. More important than math.

[@digginggopher]

Maybe if we paid teachers their worth we could find qualified teachers, instead we act like teaching is a calling and the pay doesn't matter the job should be reward for iteslf

[@atriyakoller136]

​@@oompalumpus699I'm from Russia, where lgbt is forbidden, and you know what subjects the government introduces instead of social studies? Family studies. How to have a family, plan a budget. But, that is the surface level. Our government is against women and really wants to bestow traditional values onto everyone. They've introduced subjects which are only there to make kids more patriotic, hateful to other countries, and dumber. Religion instead of science

[@atriyakoller136]

​@@digginggopherthis is also true. While I went into teaching just because I couldn't find any other job fast enough, I went to teach the subject I'm most passionate about, and also learned to teach first - my job actually had another teacher help me a lot at first, after I passed the trial. That said, I don't teach at a school, and don't think I could - the textbooks are horrible, and the pay is hella low, not survivable

[@nivenfres]

A few years ago my daughter was going through this. One of the questions on the assignment was "a student got the answer of , how did the student come up with that answer". My wife and I couldn't come up with a reasonable answer, other than "they guessed". We even asked family who were former elementary teachers, and they couldn't come up with an answer. Finally we reached out to the teacher and it was explained they did the method shown in the video, but skipped a step. So unless you were explicitly taught that method and then did it wrong, the question was effectively impossible for an adult to answer "correctly".

[@Somemusicguy1995]

Our education system need to be torn up and rebuilt

[@howzit9397]

This is exactly what happened when my daughter was learning this and when my daughter asked for help I helped her and the teacher marked it wrong because that’s not common core math!! I got mad and told her to tell her teacher to come and help with your homework because that is BS they made it harder and longer to find the damn answer!

[@watermelon2485]

Wtf that teacher is beyond dumb

[@lelandclayton5462]

My kids did that crap in elementary school and they had to break out of that crap for middle school. They really need to get rid of the teachers union.

[@emilymiller1792]

It doesn't have anything to do with teachers or the teachers union. Teachers are directed to teach what the administrators tell them to teach and what the school board approves. This is muddied by the state-level expectations and "competencies" that are required--this is where Common Core (etc) comes in. Of course, most of the curriculum vendors align their curriculum to Common Core so they can be approved for public education. Many teachers hate a great deal of this stuff because they recognize that is not what makes people educated. But, the states and corporations selling tests want to "measure what matters" despite the most important things about education, those things that really matter, cannot really be measured.

[@literallylegendary]

@@emilymiller1792 You're too right. I was about to comment something similar.

[@Hydrolysis_Moment]

Once you get to college they drop it immediately. Calculus has been such a sobering experience, no more unnecessary steps.

[@ssjgokuhan]

Teaching a kid to do math like that is literal child abuse.

[@jag92949]

@the_wanderful_life This method is overly complicated. The original method is so much easier.

[@paulclarke245]

@the_wanderful_life nowadays its more like "if x=2y+3" how much climate change does it cause and 10 extra points if you are transgender. on serious note i know a 14 year old who cant do simple mental arithmetic and a 30 year old work colleague that brings out a calculator/cellphone to do the most basic maths. now i admit i could read/write and do simple maths when entering school at 5, some kids today can do the same but classrooms try to make everyone equal and "dumb down some" and upscale the rest

[@jag92949]

@the_wanderful_life Here’s my strategy for solving 47 + 16 without a pencil. You add 20 to 47 making 67 then subtract 4 from it (since 16 = 20 - 4). The answer is 63. That’s better than stupid tally marks or the traditional method. I know woke educators can’t do math and teach it in the most cumbersome and tedious way possible, but this is painful.

[@quantisedspace7047]

@@jag92949 That's /one of/ the strategies I use. Another is to do it in hex (seriously) 2F + 10 = 3F, which is one less than 64 decimal, i.e. 63. I often run multiple methods in parallel and wait for the first one to finish,

[@thefriesens1071]

​@the_wanderful_life The old method is fine for big numbers too. Math is all about patterns.

[@robfielding100]

As a maths teacher of 4 years and 33 years as a maths lecturer I'm having heart palpitations at the level of numeracy with the youth of today! Having said that some of the teachers are innumerate too!

[@Sladeford]

This new generation WILL MAKE THE WHEEL SQUARE!

[@humblehuman245]

lol bro

[@borekminer]

university students made the wheel be adjustable into a triangle acting somewhat like a tractor track for each wheel, thats actually something that will definitely be used by the military or something and will be useful people whove been taught like this wont invent anything at all, a square wheel would be better than just nothing they will not be thinkers but producers, modern factory workers even if on a computer the best part is, thats exactly what this specific education system was invented for in prussia, that and probably injecting propaganda of whoever is in power into them this is what both conservatives and liberals are against, the only 2 american parties have this go against their core ideals and yet its still being pushed, i just dont get how americans can get idealogicaly bipartisan support which ive seen people on both sides mention unfavorably and it still gets pushed

[@53rat]

Common core was all about the teacher telling your kids mom and dad are wrong….the teacher is always right

[@StonedVet81]

My son actually tried to show this to me, I said NO, do it the right way and proceeded to show him the proper way we do things.

[@willowstarfruit12345]

YES don't let other people brainwash your kid

[@geoffreybrockmeier3765]

I teach English as a second language. I was working at a public school in Taiwan when one day we were told we’re doing a workshop once a week to learn new ways to teach. All the methods were baffling. It was needlessly convoluted, confusing, and inefficient. But it was all laced with a lot of jargon and fancy words to give it the illusion of being sophisticated. I complained and said I have no idea how to use the methods and don’t find them useful at all. The speaker looked embarrassed, sunk his head, and said, “I don’t give a sh*t if you use them.”

[@sarahkinsey5434]

My bf is a community college professor in geology and geography. He has had to take those cultural workshops but doesn’t know how to connect certain things to culture other than through examples, which he’s been doing all along. His area of geography is the more physical aspect than the human geography. How do you add culture to calculus

[@mdtippett]

My high school kids asked me, “Why do we have to do this?” So I turned the question on them, “you have been in school for 10-12 years. Some of you even more, in any profession, you would be expected to be an expert after that much time, so why do you think you have to be here?” Their answer was insightful. They told me, they legally have to be here because there is no one at home to supervise them. That is the law, as they understood it, and they weren’t too far off. At that moment, I realized how much time is wasted at school, going from one class to another, socializing, eating lunch and just goofing off, and began to realize that home schooling is a viable option. That was confirmed when I began to teach freshmen at the college lever because some of my best students had been home schooled.

[@briant7265]

When I was in first grade, my maternal grandmother was in the hospital in her final days. My mom went back to visit. She got my school work from the teacher and took me along for the week or so. We took care of all my school work in less than an hour each day, before supper.

[@MrReddevil2420]

Began to teach freshman at the college lever....😂😂😂😂

[@mimig8662]

Relax dude. It was a simple typo.

[@jimmcneal5292]

If I were in US I wouldn't care about this stupid law and just leave the most responsible kid in charge of a house

[@matthiasbehrendt6112]

In my country homeschooling is illegal. You can do it additionally after school but kids are required to go to a public or public recognised private school until they had been at least 10 years in school or a comparable institution.

[@leonardhopper857]

What is the difference between three 5's and five 3's? Old math, nothing New math, everything

[@m_d1905]

Nah we were taught place values before we were taught borrowing and carrying. There really isn't any difference in 3x5 and 5x3. We were taught grouping before multiplication. New math isn't easily understood by many children as the older method is. The importance in math at least practically, is the correct answer.

[@LucidStew]

You're going to be in trouble if you ever have to learn or explain set theory because {5,5,5} and {3,3,3,3,3} are absolutely 2 different things. BTW, set theory is about 150 years old.

[@m_d1905]

@@LucidStew Set theory wasn't what the video was about. I understand matrixes and sets. Yes those are two different sets. That is what the example in the video was discussing though. It was showing how new math was trying to teach place value.

[@leonardhopper857]

@@LucidStew Quite true. But you are now talking advanced mathematics. The vast majority of the population has a hard enough time with basic arithmetic, and algebra might as well be a foreign language. The 'factory' model of education is broken and has been for a very long time.

[@leonardhopper857]

@@m_d1905 Sounds to me like you may have been taught simple, elegant math (old math) Nowadays, it appears that emphasis is more on methodology. What is being taught, with enough repetition, that the students who struggle with basic concepts, do finally 'get it'. But for the mid and high level students it becomes boring and frustrating. So they turn off to math and anything else that is taught in a convoluted, counterintuitive manner. In the end, you wind up with a population that is just smart enough to get themselves into trouble but not smart enough to figure out a way to get out of it without turning to the 'gubmint' and begging for help. This is precisely what the 'powers that be' want. They do not like people that can think for themselves and can solve problems without help. We are annoying. We ask questions that have no good answers. Apologies for the rant, but I have been watching this 'spectacle' for 60+ years and it is not getting better.

[@dechha1981]

OK, I I decided to go back and watch that, and this time I checked the time stamps. Mother’s math begin; 0:27 Mother’s math ends; 0:39 so 12 sconds. kid’s math begins; 0:47 kid’s math ends; 1:47 that’s an entire minute!

[@mtallan]

Ask the mum to explain why she "carries the one" and I'm not confident she could explain it well. Little bro might be all over that with his deeper understanding of Ones, Hundreds, Thousands etc.

[@thewheeldeal8439]

@@mtallan any idiot would know why we carry the one to the TENS digit columns, everyone in my class in school grasped the concept in kindergarten without depicting it each time

[@Puddingskin01]

@@mtallan If students struggle with a simple concept as "carries the one" then the schools have failed even harder.

[@SerFloortje]

Because he's a kid and probably hasn't had to teach anyone anything.

[@SalvableRuin]

@@mtallan What the hell are you smoking? The mom knows why she carries the one, as does every single person who knows basic arithmetic. The kid's explanation is in the video. It's because the 1 is "friends" with the 50. Are you seriously claiming that by drawing grass and seeds that the kid has a firmer grasp of ones, tens, and hundreds? Traditional math already differentiates them based on which column they are in.

[@krismay01]

This is why I homeschool. My oldest and I would literally CRY over math homework.

[@jacobdescheneaux2420]

I work in finance and this is just brutal. We would never solve a problem like this. Absolutely insane they are teaching this.

[@ictpilot]

Parents for Christ's sake STOP THIS!!! Get rid of your school board anyway you can to stop this madness!

[@fyiaustralia9686]

I'm staggered there are not more parents who try to call out this insanity. Too many sheeple.

[@KurtColville]

@@fyiaustralia9686That’s why government indoctrination factories are here to stay.

[@emilymiller1792]

So, what you're saying is you don't want a republic. You'd rather unelected parents and selected boards just make decisions with your tax dollars.

[@emilymiller1792]

​@@KurtColville Are you attending school board meetings, looking at the curriculum and resources, talking to your school directors, looking at the requirements set by the state, etc?

[@ictpilot]

@@emilymiller1792 If you're talking to me no. I'm saying get rid of these school boards that push this shit. Replace them with better people.

[@jorgechavesfilho]

As a mathematician, I'm disgusted to see such stupidity. And generations are being ruined.

[@ayalvadiganesh622]

As a mathematician, I don't find it either stupid or disgusting. Sure, it is slower. But it focuses more on the concepts rather than the process of addition. Is that a good thing? Maybe. Maybe not. It's important to learn process as well, and to be comfortable with it. But if you are soon going to be using calculators for the process anyway, then it's the concepts that are more important.

[@jorgechavesfilho]

@@ayalvadiganesh622 As a result of such stupidity, the United States ranked 26th in math on the 2023 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) test, up from 29th in 2018. However, the US's math scores have declined significantly since 2018 and are now lower than they were 20 years ago.

[@davidknipe4113]

Also a mathematics graduate. It's not stupid, it's just showing more of the working. (But as for the broader discussion about "common core", I have no idea.)

[@jorgechavesfilho]

@@davidknipe4113 Mathematics - PISA 2022 Rank 1 Singapore 575 2 Macau 552 3 Chinese Taipei 547 4 Hong Kong 540 5 Japan 536 6 South Korea 527 7 Estonia 510 8 Switzerland 508 9 Canada 497 10 Netherlands 493 11 Ireland 492 12 Belgium 489 13 Denmark 489 14 United Kingdom 489 15 Poland 489 16 Australia 487 17 Austria 487 18 Czech Republic 487 19 Slovenia 485 20 Finland 484 21 Latvia 483 22 Sweden 482 23 New Zealand 479 24 Germany 475 25 Lithuania 475 26 France 474 27 Spain 473 28 Hungary 473 29 Portugal 472 International Average (OECD) 472 30 Italy 471 31 Vietnam 469 32 Norway 468 33 Malta 466 34 United States 465

[@Shortestcoment]

@@jorgechavesfilho I hope you know that shoving a statistic in answer of a logical argument isn't the best way to defend your point

[@michaelcrain6145]

I remember the first time I went to help my kids with math home work. That common core confused me just as much as it was her, so I showed her how I was taught, she picked it that up in minutes, but then I got called in for a conference because she was failing... not because she was getting the answers wrong (she got them all right), but because she was doing it wrong.

[@cyancapsulesgone]

When the kid explained that the 1 in 13 "wants to be with its friends" (the other tens), it reminded me a bit of how my 1st grade teacher, in the 1970s, explained the greater than and less than symbols: The alligator always wants to eat the bigger number. That was a nice, memorable mnemonic device to remember what those symbols mean. The Common Core story about "being with its friends" struck me as merely silly.

[@MarieAnne.]

The way I remembered the difference between < and > was as follows: Each symbol has a smaller pointy side and a larger side where the lines diverge. The smaller side is always in the direction of the smaller number, while the larger side is in the direction of the larger number.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

It’s the same reason you carry the one. It wants to “be with its friends.” This method is just helping kids learn place values. It’s not the method they use to do all of their math problems. It’s just an extended method specifically designed for them to visualize place value.

[@Blackoutdmc]

For me, greater/less than symbols was Pac-man. He wanted the side with the most numbers of course.

[@Qpex1]

for me, pac-man wants to eat the dot with more points

[@JorgeFuente-Alba]

mnemonics are for remembering, not for understanding. Just teach what it means!

[@NikeaTiber]

All my highschool math was taught out of Saxon textbooks. It was printed in black ink only. The closest thing to a picture was when there was a graph. The curriculum was front and center, and I learned algebra and trigonometry. Text books don't need fancy graphics or full color pictures. They don't exist to entertain, they exist to teach you a skill. Kids can learn math if you bother to teach them. When I was in algebra 2 in highschool the Taiwanese, Korean, and Japanese students in my class were all gobsmacked that we were only just learning *what was fourth grade math to them* The "educational" system is no longer its namesake. When "queers for palestine" is a popular movement on university campuses it is pretty damn obvious that critical thought is no longer being taught. Kids are learning to be narcissistic snowflakes from their professors, whom have skin so thin that they can't accept that a student questioning or disagreeing with them is evidence that they actually did their job and educated someone.

[@Claudialupper]

Saxon Math and Saxon Physics are excellent. Using the Advanced Math book now; moving into Calculus. So impressive. No graphics, no pictures (other than graphs and diagrams for geometry). But not rote, either: much time is spent proving precepts. Saxon is deep.

[@archie8767]

Saxon is wonderful. The old orange, red, green, and black books are great.

[@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555]

He isn't dumb he's actually really smart for being able to explain his thought process using proofs

[@williamjones2994]

Think of it like this: your children are being taught by the bottom 10% of your high school class.

[@rainiergames6565]

The kid still had to add 50+13 in his head. Is it really harder to add 47+16 in your head?

[@sarahschreffler5407]

You learn how to do the problems on easier problems (that might be done in your head) so you understand when the math becomes more complicated why it works that way. When a kid gets used to doing all the math in their head and not showing work, it can be very hard to figure out why they are getting the wrong answer.

[@St.JohnWort]

For an 8 year old, yes. Carrying/borrowing with 2 digit numbers is generally taught in first/second grade. An 8-9 year old would be just starting to practice these methods. 50+13 is definitely easier to see than 47+16. Even math majors will use similar methods to simplify arithmetic, no need to be unnecessarily inefficient. For example, I wouldn't think of 8/3 as just a single fraction, I would mod it to 2 + 2/3, a lot easier to see what the final result would be. I sucked at math all the way through elementary and middle school, only starting to figure it out when I tried to understand it around 10th grade, I was taught the old math style. If "new math" which is a style of mathematics that has been around since at least the 50's and was developed by mathematicians during the 20th century, helps kids better visualize math while they are learning it, and then teach them how to do regular arithmetic later, I don't see a problem with that.

[@orppranator5230]

Yeah, duh. Simply incrementing 5 by 1 to get 60, and then changing the 0 to a 3 is easier. But it's done in extra steps that are just tedious and slow people down.

[@LucidStew]

The kid did not do that. He added the 10 to 50 to make 60 and then added the 3. It's the same thing operationally, only the ten from 13 is being "carried" at the end instead of in the middle. The only thing dumb is the counting, but this is a pretty young kid. It probably helps them keep track better. Wrote memorization seems simple when you already know it, but in primary school in the 80s we spent at least 3 years learning basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division with wrote memorization. I wouldn't call that efficient.

[@lilylittlemonster5]

@@sarahschreffler5407 Then how did people learn (and learn better) in the past before this new math?

[@rawmeat1208]

Unnecessarily complex. Rating: 0/10

[@handesonrenatoguimaraes2615]

Complex???

[@cole4987]

​@@handesonrenatoguimaraes2615it's just unnecessary. He's doing the same thing with extra steps

[@breadbugsaredabest]

It’s not really complex it’s just the same thing but stupid,numbers exist for a reason why create 9 dots when you can literally just put the number 9 whoever created these news dots and lines formula are stupid your just making more steps.

[@elsmarlot]

True

[@Paddy-ip7qk]

@@cole4987 Si te parece que "aprender matemática" se reduce a solo aplicar algoritmos y sacar resultados, ten por seguro que el del problema no es el niño ni la forma en que está siendo educado.

[@roboyuma]

Few thankfully they give me the old math in school 🥶

[@dechha1981]

There is an ad from Australia in the 1966 when we were switching from British style currency to decimal currency. They demonstrated the superiority of Dollars and Cents over pounds, Shilling and Pents by doing maths, right there in the cartoon. One of those maths equations was SUPPOSED to be tricky and Dollar Bill was SUPPOSED to be struggling with converting Pence to Shillings and Shillings to Pounds, it was all being done specifically to convince Australians that Dollars are better because it makes the maths less needlessly complicated. And it made WAY more sense than whatever TF they’re teaching kids in American schools. Quicker, too.

[@SLB4523]

I spent some short time in Britain in 1972 at 12 yo, and learned that there is quite an elegance in imperial currency calculation. 3s and 4s instead of 10s.