How Common Core Broke U.S. Schools

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

When kids still get punished for getting the right answer because they didnt do it, "the right way", all you're going to get is angry and confused kids and parents.

[@ApesAmongUs]

But that's true in high school math all along. Solving a quadratic equation by completing the square is a different assignment than solving it with the quadratic formula. Where and when did you learn math where method wasn't important?

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@ApesAmongUs I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer So, presumably, you didn't do well in Algebra.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@ApesAmongUs I remember taking algebra 1 to graduate. But never used it again.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer Then why do you feel qualified to talk about math education, since you never received any?

[@cinderblockstudios]

As long as we keep treating education like a series of hurdles to jump over rather than a way to foster curiosity and intelligence then we'll keep failing.

[@ariesfairy4444]

ding ding ding!

[@MH3GL]

Nicely said.

[@jessirvington1946]

Which is exactly what the schools leading in education do….. why are we not emulating them and continuing down the road we’re on, of forced memorization (lack of actual understanding the whys) and over stressing the next generation (causing anxiety and depression). Like WTF!!!!!!

[@keenangil4737]

You win the best comment of the day award

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

If common core fails, it is because it fails to properly do this, not because some old fools don't understand why it's taught this way.

[@turle8645]

“You did it this way and got the correct answer. However you were SUPPOSED to do it this way. Therefore you have failed the assignment.”

[@phinehaszheng5602]

and don't forget to "sHOw YOuR wOrK"

[@DreamFearless]

Not every problem can be solved with every method. You should be trying to learn each method so when you run into a problem that isn't set up like the only way you could learn, you can still get the answer. That's for people who want to know and use math tho.

[@dfct9494]

Yes, because you won't always be able to find the answer to a question using the same process. It does make sense. Or like using the quadratic formula everytime you encounter a problem where that could be applicable. It takes way way way to long to be considered effective.

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

@@phinehaszheng5602 Showing your work is used by teachers to see how you are doing a problem, which could give the teacher an insight on how you do work, which makes it easier for them to help you. I know many do not like it, I don't either, but I t is useful.

[@erwinlommer197]

Of course if the assignment asks you to solve it in specific way then it is a fail if you don't do it that way. If the instructions say build a concrete pyramid and you build a wooden pyramid. You did build a pyramid but you failed the assignment. If the assignment is to program hello world in assembly language and you used c++ then you failed the assignment. If the assignment was to write a 5 page novel in french about your hair and you wrote it in german then you failed it. Details matter and just getting the right answer is not the assignment.

[@csldc]

I'll never understand why these folks couldn't predict that kids would fail if we made it impossible for parents to help them with their homework.

[@bearsausage8599]

Nation of workers not thinkers

[@codyedwards5827]

They didn't fail to predict anything. That was the entire point.

[@cc1k435]

The point of the math situation was that it forces you to have to be able to TALK about math and understand the reasoning of how you got the answer. People clearly weren't up to it. 🤷‍♀️

[@TheCodeBoss]

It makes perfect sense that if kids are learning more modern methods to solve problems, their parents can't help because they learned the older methods. In an ideal world, parents can be involved and learn the new methods by following the curriculum as their kids go through it, but realistically many don't have the time for it. Parents are under a lot of stress working hard to stay afloat, while managing bills, insurance, childcare, cooking/cleaning, etc. Finding time to educate themselves during that mix isn't realistic for everyone.

[@CodyKing]

So like what was already happening with poor kids?

[@Biscuit9891]

"The essence of mathematics is not to make simple things complicated, but to make complicated things simple” - Stan Gudder

[@1mol831]

…. Now learning calculus 2 advanced, they are teaching limits, and how a function is continuous because the sup(A) < b is not true…. Imagine that in primary school

[@The-Devils-Advocate]

@@1mol831 You may have misunderstood the quote. The way I interpret it is that math allows us to model things that seem unpredictable and unexplainable.

[@kevinh6008]

All you have to do is to try to imagine solving these real world problems without mathematics. We take do much for granted.

[@tickbird8573]

if you think math education in US is too complicated see how China teach math in HS :-)

[@arghya4NE]

@@tickbird8573 the Chinese , South Koreans and Indians all have very tough HS curriculum They also have the highest student suicide rates in the world

[@KS-un3pi]

It is frustrating that people make rules when they aren't in the classroom or have been far removed from it.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

I mean teachers had a huge amount of input into the process and were some of the biggest drivers.

[@lookoutforchris]

Hey does anyone remember when people protested the feds forcing common core on every state? And those people were labeled as right wing nut jobs who had conspiracies about the feds? This is what they were talking about … it doesn’t work and is a bad idea. Anyone that saw the actual content of what/how stuff would be taught under common core recognized it was a stupid idea.

[@shadowbadgercat]

They don’t give a sh!t about the students. Honestly. They don’t see that the structure of a grading system is so wrong to begin with. Plus homework is a punishment on every student in the US

[@bm1747]

@@shadowbadgercat so glad the teaching community has largely moved away from homework now. You just can't assume anything about kids home life.

[@shadowbadgercat]

@@bm1747 bro I’m still in school

[@97Ant]

My history teacher went out of his way to teach us about investing and managing our money more than he taught history, because no one else was going to do it. I'll forever have respect for that man for that.

[@PlaneWalker18]

That was a good teacher. Shame they are in short supply now.

[@Tetris521]

My middle school math teacher did the same. Nobody listened bc we were just kids but looking back on it, that was useful information.

[@thesuperdoge2476]

@@Tetris521 i mean you did remember it right ? That man is a godsend if he still teaches that even when the kids were ignoring him

[@Tetris521]

@@thesuperdoge2476 actually i was one of the kids who didn't listen. 5 yrs later while getting into investing i remembered all of it. I've got good memory.

[@baronstriker8378]

One of my teachers was fired because he wanted to actually teach us instead of just giving us papers to work on with no explanation

[@VenoMooseBear]

My coworker started homeschooling their kids because of common core math. They were tired of not being able to help their kids with their homework because the kids had to show their work and none of us were taught common core math.

[@NicoleSantanaZuniga-f9p]

Agree I can't understand it makes no sense can't even help my daughter it should go back to normal it's no good all kids don't understand this put it back normal no directions and it's ridiculous

[@holytankadinSabelane]

I grew up under 'no child left behind,' which just meant every child left behind. They cut out advanced and slow classes to make everyone learn together, but that meant we could only go as fast as the slowest child.

[@turtlememes2334]

I'm pretty sure I learned 5 methods of adding under common core. Not sure on the exact number, but honestly ANYTHING over 2 is 100% unnecessary

[@ObtainThePain]

I'm so lucky to have dodged common core before it was implemented, my sympathies to all of you

[@morgangreed1969]

In my school, that policy resulted in teachers being pressured and forced to change the failing students grade into a passing grade. So it resulted in kids who would otherwise have to deal with the consequences of failing class to coast by, and when they got out they had the education of a middle schooler at best.

[@hannahvogel222]

it was the absolute worst bc when i finished my work days before other kids i just ended up wasting tons of time

[@catie7466]

thats not part of no child left behind or common core. that was just your school district making a bad decision.

[@mr.applejuice8546]

Ya know the thing I never got about this common core implementation is the reasoning that "America is lagging behind other countries in education and we need to catch up to these other nations" which is very true but then they go ahead and ignore the proven better education systems (that they themselves admitted) adopted by said countries and decided to create their own very unproven method.

[@markvalentine5851]

YYYYEEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go adopt Singapore's system or Finland's.

[@ericolens3]

Oof. I'd like to think lobbyists had a major part in why things turned our the way they did.

[@sjacks3281]

Thank you

[@Preservestlandry]

I don't know if it was unproven because that math is just Singapore math. It's a conceptual math that was already used in Singapore.

[@bradderby7090]

What are those systems? How are they implemented?

[@alexhobbs5704]

It's interesting that this video frames it as "we all thought this was a great idea. Why did it fail?" I grew up in a western state, and when common core came out as an idea, I NEVER heard a parent say good things about it. I think the attitude of the video is reflective of that of leaders: out of touch with the people they're serving.

[@dj_matanzaa]

Right, it was always a frustrating example of the inadequacy of our educational system to change in a positive way.

[@randomhiphop5055]

That's exactly what I'm saying.

[@baileyduryea3168]

Yeah same. I was a student in Florida at the time and my mom was a teacher. I never met a single person who supported it

[@beastycool]

i mean look at the people who supported it. bill gates, Obama their kids don't go to public school.

[@Equivocal-squiggle]

I remember in my freshman or sophomore year, there was an "experimental" test that came out through CC. Our teachers said that we weren't required to take it, but it could help the states understand our collective learning levels better. What kid is going to take an optional test, especially one that was scorned by parents (and privately by teachers)? I remember the teachers acting like we should take it, but they didn't hide the fact that they weren't bothered by us not taking it either... because truthfully, every teacher that I ever spoke to in private about it said that they felt constrained and that the only reason that the states chose to do it was because of the funding.

[@r22gamer54]

As a kid who grew up on common core, it hurt me as a child, as It was hard to grasp math concepts. I only started beating the effects of common core after I took calculus and truly understood math for once.

[@ClubstepMonsterOfficial]

No. The carry method for addition subtraction and multiplication is one of the worst ways to compute these operations

[@JohnnyMcbumbersnazzleKinc3]

@@ClubstepMonsterOfficialwhy?

[@samuelwalker1410]

I grew up before common core and I wonder if it would've helped me in algebra. I never really struggled with math until I got to algebra because I recognized patterns even if I was never explicitly shown the patterns. But once I got to algebra, it felt like we were doing things for the sake of doing things with little rhyme or reason.

[@idfkidc]

​@@ClubstepMonsterOfficialworked pretty great for me. I aced everything. You could learn that way and go over concepts. This way, they are so busy doing busy work because the problems take so much longer, that they don't get to think about the concepts. Common core is terrible

[@Lol-dn5vf]

I had a classmate who could do math in his head and get the right answer, but always got docked for not explaining how he did it. I was always terrible with math but great at writing, so he would solve and I would make up an explanation on how he got it. It was a beautiful partnership lol

[@a1fastyellowkitten780]

i did it in my head to and the teacher thiught i was cheating so i did a problem in front of gim to prove i could do it in my head and how i did it

[@sonjagatto9981]

Awesome...makes me happy! 😊🍁

[@Youtube_user____HD]

@@a1fastyellowkitten780 lol I got extra classes In math and now I can’t even do it in my head anymore

[@morgangreed1969]

I had the same issue. I could calculate quickly in my head, but I had terrible handwriting so sometimes I would get docked points even if I put in the effort. I decided I would rather get an 85 rather than a 95, and put my time toward something more useful. My best classes were electives like economics and accounting rather than those common core classes.

[@Aogamii]

@@morgangreed1969 I’m kind of the opposite. Like the solution is one thing, but I love explaining the process I took to reach the answer. I believe economics involves a similar process too. I took AP Macro/Microeconomics back in High School, and that involved a lot more explanations compared to my AP Calculus.

[@mattross4892]

Raising standards on already unmotivated students is a recipe for disaster. And while were on the subject, dangling a students future in front of them like a carrot on a stick does not motivate them to do better in school, it makes them feel defeated and more likely to give up

[@Ebony.Doll_Games]

this comment explains this a lot

[@newspaperbin6763]

algebra in a nutshell

[@user-kr2ty9vk5n]

Students aren't unmotivated. Our education system just sucks and the parents who don't do enough can't because they are busy addressing out about bills or safety

[@HenceMan]

@@newspaperbin6763 **AP Algebra

[@spaceplex5079]

Since zoom, it has to be both

[@abdullaprobably]

Instead of increasing the difficulty of the problems they should have made a system which makes even difficult problems easier to understand.

[@anissaholmes4495]

They are getting them ready to work in government. All the red tape, ridiculous rules, pointless work that could be handled more effectively, etc. 😂

[@jairoherrera4040]

American education sucks in failing to teach applicable real life scenarios for math or skills that can help so much such as financial literacy and state law.

[@user-vm5ud4xw6n]

I never could get Algebra. Pharmacists in hospital where I used to work didn’t want nurses to “do the math.” Our Pharmacists had PhD’s. They can DTM!!

[@sivartb7273]

Student: may I have a pencil? Teacher: you need to talk with Pam on the 5th floor, she will direct you where to find the elevator key. Take the Elevator key to Mr. Klei, he will hand you a triangular notebook. Take that note book and drop it in the lobby of the first floor. There will be a green pen near by, pick it up. Then head back to me, I'll direct you to your seat. Taped under the desk is a pack of sharpened pencils. Student: can I take the pencils now? Teacher: no, you need the green pen first.

[@dfct9494]

@@jairoherrera4040 I mean all of the math you learn is derived from "real world" problems, all the history you learn did really happen, the English essays do teach you how to write properly, people do speak the languages you learn somewhere in the world. Maybe broaden your view and you will be able to use more of the information taught to you at school.

[@ForeverGoshlynn3004]

When I used Common Core in 2014, it involved a lot of difficult and frustrating formulas that I never used in my life again. I don’t even remember what they were as a result.

[@kylorenkardashian79]

Asking your parents to help you with common core math homework is like asking your German speaking uncle to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics

[@TheScarletLadle]

My kid has to teach ME the common core strategy before I can even help them. How does that help them when they can't even explain what they're supposed to be learning? You don't need to worry about where the numbers come from until you get into calculus classes....

[@Elijah-um8ve]

@Bardenbella120 that’s funny because in math, the teachers usually teach multiple different methods in order to solve a problem, contrary to what you have just said. Math isn’t about just getting to the answer, the process is important too because it also encourages critical thinking.

[@Elijah-um8ve]

What I’m trying to say is that the problem is neither so the multiple ways of a solution or the parents being unable to help. I think it’s a much more deep rooted problem in the system of Common Core that is affecting some students. The pacing and the less interactive approach that have been incurred that more so leaves an unfavorable impact on some of our youth.

[@jonesy514]

I know right?

[@butwhytho4858]

@@Elijah-um8ve the problem is no one knew how to do math “this way”. Yesterday I helped my 7th grader work a problem because he was confused. We argued for an hr trying to figure out what to do. In the end we worked example problem after example problem until he could get it…. Then I showed him MY way and we were done in 8 min…. Add to that, not everyone is going to be GOOD at math. All through HS and college I struggled spending hrs in free tutoring on campus. I managed to get through calculus for a radiologic tech degree… That was BS… at the lvl they wanted us to know math in relation to these machines, you would think I was studying to build or improve in their design… YET, I still don’t understand interest rates, 75% off sales, taxes, or even how to “count back” money without a register… but I mean, I can plot a graph and work a Texas Instruments calculator….

[@emilyb5307]

Right now the school system is more focused on "prepare kids to score high on tests so they can improve our statistics" and not on "make sure this knowledge actually sticks so that our kids think critically and can grow and learn..."

[@teaofpastels]

yeah, the standardized test model is one of the worst things about the american education system (looking at you collegeboard)

[@EmeraldCaveKing]

Id rather sit in a field doing nothing than be in school

[@lindseyivetun]

🎯

[@MrPipin22]

You could argue the previous education system also didn’t work. Look all the people believing in conspiracies, propaganda, and pseudo-science. 😔

[@kevinc8955]

It’s all incentive. We elect politicians that measure schools by their test scores so educators design curriculum around improving test scores to make the politicians re-electable. At the end of the day though, the core problem is that kids are just dumber today than they were 30 years ago. Smartphones and tablets. Their brains have been trained by too much screen time to need short bursts of dopamine throughout the day to function, which is counter to how learning boring subjects like Algebra fundamentally works. So either you unrealistically build trigonometry curriculum that makes kids lock in like it’s a tik tok video roulette, or you teach them test questions so they appear to know the material. None of that is going to help them when they get to college though and start competing against foreign kids in engineering and medical programs.

[@gigispence6011]

I am a pure mathematics student with aspirations in academia. Where common core fails is that it effectively says “you got the right answer but you thought about it differently so it’s wrong” which (at least from the perspective of mathematics) is so so so backwards. One of my proudest moments in college was when my low dimensional topology professor said to me “that’s not the way I would approach the proof or even think about it but your way is incredibly cool and elegant.” Common core especially fails students who have a natural talent for math because math is inherently malleable.

[@cathyhart3946]

YES! THIS! I teach high school math in a homeschool co-op and I am constantly telling the students that there are often many ways to solve a problem. I often show them more than one way during my lecture to prove this to them. I do have them show their work on their homework and tests, but they are allowed to solve problems as they find best. I always celebrate a student when they come up with something differently than I showed them. Most of my students like my class and tell me they are enjoying math for the first time. The beauty, excitement, and FUN of math is hidden from students when they are forced in a box.

[@siquod]

It's not only backwards from the perspective of mathematics, it's also backwards from the perspective of psychology. It discourages curiosity, creativity and elegant problem solving. I once got as a university physics assignment to prove that parallel rays entering a parabolic mirror converge in a point. They expected me to prove it algebraically, but I thought using an old style purely geometric proof (A parabola is the set of all point with equal distance to a point and a line…) was way too elegant to pass by. I got no points.

[@funkywinston1854]

Love this.

[@iggles6954]

@@cathyhart3946 you sound just like my current geometry teacher, and I can assure you that I have fun in her class. Keep up the good work!

[@cathyhart3946]

@@iggles6954 So glad you're having that experience!

[@ovrezy]

Us schools started to break in the 1980s, and continued to decline so much that after forty years they thought something as ridiculously inane as common core seemed reasonable to them.

[@timothyrockwell2638]

It costs tax payers roughly $150,000-300,000 USD to educate a child K-12. And it's a waste of time and money because most Americans will never need to know half of what they are taught in public school to be economically productive. Most kids would be better off entering the workforce as soon as they are physically able.

[@HiDefHDMusic]

If you can’t figure out common core you shouldn’t be allowed past the 5th grade

[@cmc5394oparva]

@@HiDefHDMusic LOL, yes, how did people ever figure out how to solve math problems before Common Core was implemented. 🤣

[@HiDefHDMusic]

@@cmc5394oparva Americans? They don’t. They’re some of the worst at math on the entire planet, that’s how we know our method isn’t any good

[@somethingelse9228]

@@timothyrockwell2638 Ah yes, you want to legalise Child Labor? You do know that it took a series of violent strikes and protests to criminalize child labor and make education compulsory, right?

[@harukaimai8086]

Common core assumes all students have the same thought process, but the reality is that everyone processes things differently. Uniformity is fatal. As someone with ADHD, I’m so thankful my school didn’t use that much common core curriculum, because I no doubt would have failed. Let’s understand that people are varied, and it’s irresponsible to create an education system out of cookie-cutter ideals.

[@isaiahromero9861]

Same. It's so ridiculous

[@andrewb378]

I'm an engineer. I was a physics major in college, and I was really good at math before that. Part of that was helped by my math teachers (especially in high school) understanding what they were teaching and being able to explain it in different ways. Some students could hear a lecture and do exactly what was explained right off the bat. I couldn't. But if I asked *why* something was being done a particular way and got the teacher to explain it differently, I would get it. A teacher would write a formula on the board and I can plug stuff into it and get an answer, but to understand how to put formulas together to get an answer, I had to understand what they were actually doing or why I was using them in the first place. There were a few classes I took in middle school that were awful. I'm awful at history but my teacher was pretty good, we had some religion classes which were basically just history, but the worst by far was Latin. It wasn't because the language was difficult for me. I took French at the same time and aced the course. They're both romance languages. French is almost entirely built on the framework of Latin. You'd think I could get Latin if I could get French. My Latin teacher would say "This is how you conjugate a verb, do it this way." Instead, my French teacher would say "This is how you conjugate a verb, this is why, and this is what it looks like in English, do you have questions?". What I only realized later was that my Latin teacher only gave me the formula for doing verbs in Latin, while my French teacher gave me the formula *and* explained how to use it which is why it made so much more sense to me than Latin. To me, it's so much more useful to explain why something is being done rather than just to say it's done this way. I could hand you a sheet of basic physics formulas and even put on the sheet what those formulas are used for. I can let you use that formula sheet on an exam, and you still won't do well. When you're learning physics, a language, or anything, really, you can't just learn what to do. If you learn what to do, as soon as someone throws you a problem you haven't seen, you have no idea what to do. In the same way, you can't just teach what to do. If you just teach what to do, the vast majority of students will get to the next grade and not understand a word of what you just spent a year hammering into their heads when they're asked to apply it. This was my issue with common core. The common core curriculum asked teachers to teach something to students that they didn't fully understand themselves. How are they supposed to provide a useful explanation of why something is being done if they don't get it? Yes, the second graders will be able to add 155 to 203 and be able to subtract 48 from the result, but will they be able to do that next year when they're asked to apply that basic math to long division? Do they understand why they are doing what they are doing or how to apply that specific instance of addition and subtraction to another problem? If not, it doesn't matter that they can do it.

[@MrBerserkinTime]

i have ADHD as well, i got stuck with common core but managed to graduate

[@colleenjones4182]

Yes! yes! yes! As a teacher, I couldn’t agree more!!

[@Zornotfugen]

That's not how it works at all.

[@straypaper]

Now I got the context of Mr. Incredible's "math is math" meme

[@milotura6828]

Yep

[@lordsiomai]

Yeah I just realized it too. What an _incredible_ line

[@emperium108]

As a non-american who had passively heard about common core, I sort of knew it had an effect on how math was being taught, I didn't understand the why and how and this video explained it nicely.

[@r.mcrae22]

Yep! Billy Goat Gates is in the equation, now I understand why the new math is destroying their lives. Mr. Depopulation.

[@0xB0mbtree]

That was actually about “New Math.” The last time we tried this kind of thing, and it ended up the exact same way lol. The parallels are undeniable

[@aurelie8220]

Oh, also as a teacher, for standardized testing in our state, it’s illegal for me to tell a parent that their child can opt out. I could literally lose my job and teaching license. If they ask, you can answer. But otherwise you cannot say a word about it. AND if a child opts out, their score counts as a literal 0 against your class’s average and school’s average. So you could have amazing scores, but if 3 students have parents who opt them out, you have three 0’s hurting your average. Tell me it’s only about money without actually saying it’s only about money.

[@Alpine913]

Ok, but that has nothing to do with common core. Standardized test has been around for decades.

[@jaa4742]

@@Alpine913 Yes, but not with same emphasis and consequences. EVERYTHING is measured and based on those stupid tests.

[@mal8197]

capitalism moment

[@F0rev3r.B0red]

Yea it's about the money and they don't even use the money of the students enough but the district leaders

[@kwiggy5091]

Wait, can you expand on this? Does this hurt our child's grades? How does this look in high school and do colleges look for these grades or purely for GPA? I'm not against my kid learning how to take standardized tests when he's older, but for elementary it feels so asinine.

[@JohnSmith-b6n]

Yesterday, I gave a teen a twenty to pay for drink tickets at a local vendor event that totalled 18 dollars. He had to ask a friend, even he had trouble getting to $2. When I came back, a slightly older girl had trouble figuring how to give me change for 12 dollars of tickets from a $20. They aren't learning anything.

[@JohnnyMcbumbersnazzleKinc3]

What?

[@JohnSmith-b6n]

@JohnnyMcbumbersnazzleKinc3 exactly what I said. The 18 dollar situation, where he owed me 2 dollars change, he tried to give me 18 dollars change.

[@JohnnyMcbumbersnazzleKinc3]

@@JohnSmith-b6n 😦 wow

[@JohnSmith-b6n]

I can add to this. I was somewhere with lower gas prices over Thanksgiving, so I thought I'd top off my tank before the trip home. I had cash, gave the guy 40 but knew I wouldn't use that much. I ended up at $20.50, so I grabbed 2 quarters and went in. Guy wanted to give me 19 dollars and couldn't understand he owed me 20. His manager, older, had to come over. Common core doesn't work.

[@cmndrkool321]

We need to stop “revolutionizing” math. There are 1,000 ways someone can do an equation- I understand that; but let’s stick to 2 or 3 methods that work the best and use the rest of the time to learn something more useful.

[@alexmm01]

Totally agree. I tried to help my son with elementary arithmetic and realized that the curriculum is no longer even to solve the problem. It is totally alien to me. It is like the aim was to make a simple concept complicated.

[@NyscanRohid]

@@alexmm01 Note: "I don't understand this" does not mean "this is more complicated."

[@SeaPen]

I know in 8th we were doing Algebra and they gave us like 3 different ways to do it making it annoyingly complicated. Then in Algebra 2 in highschool my teacher was like we are doing this because it is the easiest way and it made sense.

[@willpaul5202]

@@SeaPen your first teacher was an idiot. There really is only one way to approach a math problem correctly, example..you would not build a house by constructing the walls first. Without a solid foundation in math it's almost impossible to advance to higher math.

[@dalmationblack]

@@alexmm01 It's not trying to teach people how to solve the problem so much as to give them a sense of why the solution works. Understanding why the normal algorithms work *is* very useful, especially for the transition to algebra and beyond, the bigger problem is that Common Core didn't seem to work that well in its goal of teaching it

[@jofussh.2103]

This all sounds like one huge experiment. "Will this work?" "I don't know, let's try." "Woops, it failed. Student performance hasn't changed significantly."

[@xptaco2298]

But lets keep it in just in case

[@sethenewman4309]

@@xptaco2298 instead of switching to a better method

[@tannerstoltz3070]

That's what it was an experiment. How else do you get a scientific result? lol The hypothesis was this was going to raise achievement, and it didn't. It takes 13 years to complete any education system experiment because that's how long it takes for a student to go through the complete system.

[@sethenewman4309]

@@tannerstoltz3070 I’m the test subject of this experiment I didn’t consent to it my whole education/child hood has been nothing but pain because of this excuse of a curriculum.

[@tannerstoltz3070]

@@sethenewman4309 Schools need to try new things. You're going to be a test subject regardless. What is the other option, schools never change? Do you want school to be like how they were in the 50s? Now, who is in charge of pushing new ideas and if it should be federal or local is a separate argument, but you can't feel used because common core failed, because what we had before wasn't any better and was quickly becoming outdated.

[@doughesson]

When parents started teaching their kids at home last year & saw first hand what the schools have been teaching, that must have been a real eye opener.

[@bluehotdog2610]

Because most parents don't seem to realize the reason why European schools outperform American schools is that European schools basically teach the same way as common core.

[@hankrearden20]

O' yeah! My son 3rd grade and couldn't even read. I dedicated myself over the course of the pandemic to getting him up to speed. All while working(essential worker). The teachers accused me of interfering. Oddly enough my son can read now. Still not grade level(he's going into 5th at the time of this posting) but a far cry from illiteracy.

[@doughesson]

@@bluehotdog2610 So, what's better than knowing how to add, subtract,do multiplication & division & understand basic grammar, sentence structure, and history?

[@TunTheOfficial]

@@hankrearden20 you're a great parent and definitely interfere if it means that you'll be helping your child with their studies like any parent should 😊🍺 least you care

[@RenaGoss]

Yeah, only those parents who were clueless about their own child's education. Unfortunately it's most

[@MMMgrizzly30]

I saw my little brother solving a 2 digit multiplication problem, he was drawing boxes and shi and taking 10 minutes on each problem. The school system keeps ruining kids🤦‍♂️

[@MyGreenNest]

Homeschool! We use non common core Saxon math. It’s sooooo easy to understand

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

See when I did that before common core because it came easier to me I got points taken off despite getting the answer right. So now that it's what they're telling kids to do I'm kinda bitter.

[@Stocksandstitches]

​@@thepinkestpigglet7529this is why we took our daughter out and started homeschooling. She was getting the correct answers but being failed because she didn't get the answer the way they wanted. So now we do it ourselves and she takes music, art, and physical Ed at the Y during regular school hours (so it's just homeschoolers there). Life is so much less stressful for us all when our daughter is able to study and pass how she is able to understand and have confidence doing.

[@TheStrengthScholar]

Lattice multiplication is actually super useful. Maybe not on two digit multiplication but on three to four digit multiplication it works well.

[@bitonic589]

​@@MyGreenNestI'm going to homeschool my kids. School system is so terrible. sHoW yOuR wOrK

[@anthonyfn]

Classic america sees others doing better and instead of copying their system. They reinvent the wheel...

[@ryanmccaffery9027]

Exactly. My favorite, is that when one of the highest ranked nations based on education revealed they only go to school 4 hours a day, our response was to increase time at school.

[@youngyingyang]

LOL... that "we're-the-center-of-world" stupid reasoning also applies to a medical system paid by the government in 97% of the world, but we're the only idiots who would rather spend that money on useless and overpriced military equipment. The future will be won by countries with the highest level of educated people not by the biggest and most expensive military.

[@ryanmccaffery9027]

@@youngyingyang hillbilly reasoning: freedom. Because America is the only free country lmao.

[@Dimabuildingadventures]

@@ryanmccaffery9027 do you really think your smarter than a hillbilly in woods because you went to a university! You elitist are really hilarious. Just move to a country of your choice like China! I moved to the US from a communist country and like it.

[@maxsteel32]

@@Dimabuildingadventures you might think it's alright now. We are talking about providing education etc. for the next generation of Americans to take over. We keep screwing that up like we have been the US will eventually pay the price.

[@michelledutcher3243]

When my 15 year old was getting into common core we had a meeting with the teachers to tell us about common core. One of the packets of info we got stated that vygotsky's scaffolding theory was one of the main theories used in building the common core. Me knowing that a huge part of that theory working relied on parents being part of that scaffolding support I asked when they would be doing classes for the parents to learn the common core so we can help them. I was told it was not necessary for the parents to know it... I knew right there it would be a huge failure!

[@mystickim5338]

Common core is just dumb, when my son was in third grade and I realized he couldn't do the most basic of multiplication/division without drawing a table I pulled him out of public school. It was the best decision I ever made.

[@janaj2748]

Oh we most definitely have to learn it! I have to Google the answer just to understand how the hell they come up with the question to begin with?! And my daughter is only a 4th grader!!

[@cc1k435]

I'd recommend finding the exact curriculum online if you can. If it's Eureka/Engage NY, for example, you can find the teacher's guide to read ahead. I don't have a problem with the math, but it demands COMMUNICATION when taught this way, which ironically is what they're lacking with parents.

[@janaj2748]

@@cc1k435 my problem is working 9-12 hours a day, then coming home to 3 hours of Common Core Math. I have no problems with communication. My problem is I don’t have enough hours in my day for this bs. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lookoutforchris]

Schools 100 years ago were better 😂

[@mathisfun13]

I was a high school math teacher when the common core came in. We (the high school math teachers) looked at it and agreed "This is great, the kids will be so much better prepared when they reach us." Then we asked, "How much time and money are they going to spend on retraining the elementary teachers? After all, they are going to be teaching math in many new ways that they have never taught before, and which is not how they learned it." The answer, of course, was none. The elementary teachers were left to fend for themselves, and the results were predictable.

[@ApesAmongUs]

And, lets be honest. If you were good at math in school, you didn't end up as an elementary school teacher.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Yea that was a huge mistake. But at least take some solace that you took the hit that will benefit all of us in the long run. Not all of common core will stay around. But the basic idea of common core math of learning multiple ways to solve things is a huge improvement in the long run. It will take decades to bear fruit and may even hurt in the short run. But its fundamentally a good idea.

[@MrSquishles]

I think that's just always been an ongoing problem in every school, I remember teachers saying "you should have already covered this" a lot to a lot of classes. Having it standardized probably helps ignoring what it was standardized too. There'd still be the problem of some of that stuff, the kids haven't touched in years before they need it again, for instance I vagually remember matrices arithmatic workbooks in second grade, I did not remember a damn thing of it the next time I needed it in highschool, and same thing predictably happened again in college.

[@gregoryferber3231]

The roll out was poorly done.

[@ajbarker8980]

I agree. I'm also a math teacher and there is a ton of good in common core math. The problem was in the implementation. Older students who had never learned common core math in earlier years were suddenly thrust into it at age 9/10/11/12 and struggled. There was no phase-in. It's no wonder that parents were frustrated with it instantly and the perceptions preceeded it for the younger kids. However, teaching younger kids, I can certainly say that it's methods (the one shown at the top of the video is not a required method, btw -- it's nowhere in the standards to do THAT exactly) have helped younger students who start their schooling with it as they come up through the years.

[@thebe_stone]

I remember in 2nd grade we had to do multiplication in a really weird way, and we weren't allowed to do it the normal way. In third grade, my teacher said she hated that method, so she taught us the normal way.

[@twocubez7848]

Common Core Summarized: “Stop everything, we’ve found a harder way to do it.”

[@cuntress9000]

lmaooo literally

[@sharkparty1027]

As a doctor, common core is what actually teaches. The old style is useless memorization, which is why the US is dumb.

[@tbyoda9475]

@@sharkparty1027 and when your in a job that need you to do some math for example no body cares how you do it as long as your answers are correct and repeatable.

[@lt3943]

FACTS

[@batsonelectronics]

I don't agree with that. It is harder for many but not all. To me, math should be taught both ways. I got math easily and CC way would have driven me insane. I can think of some kids I knew who didn't understand math and it might have been better for them though. I started school in the 70's.

[@MH3GL]

This is how you ensure people stop "thinking outside the box" - aka thinking for themselves. "You do it exactly how we say or else"

[@bvegannow1936]

End mandatory school, ged and hsd requirements, age limits, minimum wage, and exsessive regulations. End public school. End gov mandated curriculums. End one size fits all education. People should be able to learn how to do a good job they want so they can afford a house and car before 18. For those parents who can't afford it, chairty (where the donar gets a full non refundable tax credit that Carry's over for an unlimited amount of years) and or the about $15,000/y spent on k thru 12 could pay for it(vouchers for private or home school or job training) and trash k thru 12 and some of that money could be used to promote more independence and healthy living. Kids shouldn't be forced to go to school. Kids should have much more choice over their education. Elon musk and many of the smartest and richest people seem to agree that the public education system sucks and that kids should pretty much be provided with opportunity to learn useful info such as job skills but allowed to choose what they r interested in at least to a larger degree. Elon musk taught himself to build rockets by reading books reportedly and elon said like u don't need college to learn stuff every thing is available basically for free . Elon said like there's no need to have a college or high school degree... Watch videos about elon musk's opinions on education if u need more convincing, If u treat kids with respect, not lesser than due to age, and don't be a hypocrite, that often builds their trust and they will be more likely to listen to u. Many kids copy you, being copied is like the highest compliment. There shouldn't be a need to force or coerce them to learn things. When u force or coerce them u r teaching them to use force and coercion to get whatever they want and the cycle of violence force and coersion often continues, it also can ruin trust making them less likely to do what u want when they can get away with it. If u can't convince them with uncoersive persuasion to learn something, whatever u want them to learn probably isn't right for them to learn at that time if at all. Doing what u want them to do and explaining why and offering to teach them how to do what u do might get them to learn that. If they know learning a certian thing will help improve their life that can help them also, such as a job skills so they can get a job and buy things. U don't Wana be forced to learn things so don't be a hypocrite. People who learn things just cuz they r forced or coerced often never use the info exsept to pass a test they r coerced to take shortly after then they often forget it soon after that, cuz they didn't have a good reason to learn it. If they r provided with good educational and job training opportunities and proper encouragement and given choice over their education, they will probably be smarter than what k thru 12 turns out. merely being smart isn't only what's important, being moral also is. If u treat them how u wouldn't want them to treat u by forcing them to learn things, u r teaching them to be immoral. They r often more likey to do as u do not what u say. Just look at how dumb the adult population is, voting in evil polticans. Many High school grads don't even know how to work a cash register and r not considered skilled labor, and u think they should be forced to learn a bunch of useless info they will just forget after the test? Many kids often Kno what's better for themself than what gov thinks is best for them. The education system needs to change for the better and this is how u do it.

[@darklazarre442]

@@bvegannow1936 why end the minimum wage? What possible reason could you have for that. There is nothing to be gained

[@Cheesewiz247]

The goal of common core is exactly the opposite, actually. It tries to break out of the simple memorization patterns that often arise in students and challenge them to think of the problem in a different way, to solve it in a way they're uncomfortable with. Common core has plenty of opportunity for students to be creative too, but it also has problems that challenge the students in case they're not trying new or unique methods by themselves. You've got to learn to problem solve in more than one way to understand it.

[@Silverlined_69]

@@Cheesewiz247 I disagree with the last part of your comment. I tried to teach my sister how to factor polynomials. She failed her test because she didnt do it the way it was taught in class. She had gotten the right answers, but because it wasn't the way taught in class, it was marked wrong

[@Cheesewiz247]

@@Silverlined_69 Common core often teaches multiple ways to do things, and tests you on each of those methods. I'm sure some problems are just poorly worded, but sometimes they specifically ask students to use a particular method discussed in class. They want to teach students to be experienced in multiple methods, not just one.

[@NinaBee1]

How is “college and career readiness standards” a code word for common core? We were not forced to do use common core methods in college. Most math professors told us to disregard how we were taught math in grade school, it was wrong. 🙄 🙄🙄

[@DrawciaGleam02]

WHAT?!

[@xenonsan3110]

Part of that is also because of the wildly different standards from state to state too though. Not just common core. Universities basically start at ground zero because they can't assume anything about high school standards. For instance, one of the group papers I had to write, one of my group members cited google. Yes just google the search engine

[@angelgjr1999]

Yup. My college math class was literally easier than my 8th grade algebra class. In college they just teach you how to easily solve math problems.

[@MirzaAhmed89]

And literally none of the jobs I've had ever required any knowledge of high school math.

[@MysticDivinerLJ]

Yup!

[@qasd3532]

As a student growing up in Maine, I have literally never seen that common core method of doing a subtraction problem. It’s always been the first way.

[@JohnnyMcbumbersnazzleKinc3]

Good for you!

[@BingQilin]

"Why would they change math? Math is math!"

[@StSebbe]

I understood that reference

[@bowenjudd1028]

What if that’s a reference to common core.

[@mariodangelo9768]

@@bowenjudd1028 it's not The Incredibles takes place in like the fifties or 60s or something

[@kapjoteh]

@@mariodangelo9768 no it doesn’t

[@Ez1DD]

@@kapjoteh the movie took place in the 60's - Late 70's time period. You can tell by the intro and first half of the first Incredibles. The Audio feedback, and Quality of the interview intro scene. Was a nod of the the "IN COLOR" era.

[@gamechep]

Now I understand why in The Incredibles 2 Mr. Incredible says "How can they change Maths?!"

[@seanyoung5380]

Lol same here, I was wondering what the hell he was talking about.

[@tylerphuoc2653]

That thing was some Cold War era math revolution bullcrap, trying to one-up the Soviet Union. Common Core is trying to address intuitive understanding of processes, not trying to participate in an intellectual arms race. It's just that Pixar knew that most people hadn't heard of New Math, and would just think of Common Core instead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math

[@cobalt1754]

"Math is math. MATH IS MATH!!" - Robert Parr, aka Mr. Incredible

[@omnipayne861]

I see your a man of culture

[@jillianbailey7376]

Heard a lot of horror stories about the "new math" they tried back around the 60's-70's (not sure which decade) what I remember solidly is they implemented it so they could make smarter kids than the Soviet Union's during the cold war since there were claims that Soviets were teaching their pre-college students advanced physics and calculus. One of those great 'we're going to raise our kids smarter' attempts involved new math. Didn't go too well back then either.

[@creativeandaliveat65]

American children go to school to be prepared for "the economy", whereas Finnish children go to school to be prepared for participation in the society. That is a big difference. Finnish teachers are valued similarly as any top tier professionals; only the smartest and those with best aptitude can study to become a teacher. As respected professionals, they are not told how to do their work! They are in charge of implementing national standards for learning the way they see appropriate in their unique circumstances. The main objective is to support children in finding their individual strengths and what makes them happy. Co-operation and love for life long learning are emphasized.

[@kylegaines1268]

@Steve N. the US is larger than the entire land mass of Europe. So your comparing apples to oranges.

[@ktoth29]

Please explain to me why we are having a conversation in English and not Finnish?

[@creativeandaliveat65]

@@kylegaines1268 Lots of room for ignorance...

[@bumblinagirl2683]

@@ktoth29 Education for society, remember. We can't speak Finnish! Good for her and her country's educational values!👌🏼

[@brendanh8193]

@@kylegaines1268 To claim that, you have to understand (and explain) why having larger land areas changes schooling. Also, you need to explain why China is doing so well in education. And if it is not land area, but low amounts of people per area, then why is Canada and Australia slightly ahead of the US? I think that you are suggesting that USA has larger numbers of students than Finland. Now to claim this, you need to show why such a system isn't scalable. Why does it work for small numbers and not large numbers? Could you tell us?

[@blue_mtn4408]

My parents never helped me with my homework. I never realized so many parents were helping kids with their homework until now.

[@kevinnorris6558]

My little cousin is 10 years younger than me, and it baffles me how much harder her homework is compared to the homework I got when I was her age. Same middle school and everything, but she gets much more homework than I did. I'm surprised more kids don't get burnout to be honest.

[@mrdemon6120]

Yeah. Growing up in the age of Common core I've had nights where I bring home homework and it takes hours for my parents to figure out what they need to do to help me do the work. They understand it by the time we are done, but they don't understand how to get to the solution because it's so much more complicated

[@zmanthepanda]

We do, we just keep it to ourselves.

[@himwiththesquaretoes9461]

@@mrdemon6120 lol parents helping

[@rienn8559]

It's not like that for everyone. The only homework I get is 20 problems per week for math class and 5-6 homework pages per week as well. At least in my experience, schools don't assign much homework.

[@triggerknight2011]

@@zmanthepanda Yeah basically this If you tell someone you're burnt out all that'll do for you Is 1. Possibly make them say that you're just being lazy, and 2. Accept that you're feeling burnt out, which makes you just *flop*

[@Brave_SJ]

The most baffling thing to me in school was that algebra, geometry, and pre-calculus were required courses but math of finance, arguably the most useful math any student could learn, was an elective.

[@cteal2018]

The American Corporate elite do not want financial literacy

[@ACDBunnie]

Dude you're literally so lucky that was an elective available to you. If they had that at my school I so would have taken it. That wasn't even a thing at my school. But AP art history was lol

[@lisacox3750]

@@cteal2018 THIS!!! I figured that out unfortunately in my 30s.

[@cteal2018]

@@lisacox3750 me too

[@nexusoflife]

@@lisacox3750 I figured it out at age 17 but hey its better to get it later than never. Some people go their whole lives without ever even thinking about this stuff.

[@DJAyt69]

They should not instantly use experimental school systems without collecting feedback and ACTUALLY studying them

[@Mbeluba]

Or let schools be different from each other, instead of trying to uniformise them top-down. Competition in education should exist.

[@odessav3066]

Hmmm what other things could we apply this parallel to?

[@tjampman]

It is for teaching in schools! Why would bring "studying" into that! :p

[@drewjohnson4794]

Thank Obama and leftists. They're all sickos.

[@ferretappreciator]

@@drewjohnson4794 someone's triggered lol

[@ST-du4rs]

The gentleman who said parents couldn’t help their kids with homework is right. I have very unpleasant memories of my parents trying to help me with homework and it always ended in yelling, and me crying because my parents were yelling at me, which means homework never got done.

[@carlynsykes6053]

Why can’t we just teach kids according to their skill and knowledge level instead of by their age! I’m sorry Johnny, you have to slow down, the rest of the class isn’t there yet. Ugh!!

[@eduardgherasim2896]

That remark shows you the experts that CNBC chose are a total joke.... Everywhere in the world kids are taught by age, the old system in the US was also taught by age... yet this guy thinks the problem is kids develop capability at different ages. If he was in charge he would have lowered the standards even lower, he is probably a supporter of the leftist no standardized tests. The issue is most teachers who made Common Core were WOKE leftists that turned it into a propaganda tool... look at the literature and history where everything now in school is taught from a racial and gender point of view, teaching kids to be racist little leftists with no logic from the start.

[@jinolin9062]

@@eduardgherasim2896 I mean without our school system today if we were make one ourselves it would probably more then not be a system where you are grouped by ability not seniority right?

[@sandrameesala6804]

@@eduardgherasim2896 kids do develop at different ages and speeds since cognitive develop depends on so many factors. That's just reality, and science. Those same countries are more willing to leave struggling kids behind. And those kids are either forced to adapt or be doomed to continuing the cycle of poverty. We really do need to be grouping kids by skill.

[@nathanoher4865]

@@sandrameesala6804 I was one of those people severely held back as a child by this system. Considering I finished elementary calculus before high school and used to have a lot of history memorized to details, I wonder where I would have been today if I went to a normal high school. Instead I elected to go to an international baccalaureate school which was a huge waste of time and had deleterious effects on my mental health. I wish I were as intelligent today as I was going in. I have talked to other people who also experienced the same decline due to that program.

[@isaiahwhitney3007]

@@nathanoher4865 tragic

[@wisemonkey8485]

The problem is in its name "Common" a proper educator will know that every person has their own way or capacity of learning things and the easier to teach the subject the better it will be understood.

[@MadJack1]

the creators of common core forgot to put "ism" at the end of common Really does seem that with how they force children to use their method instead of their own

[@_ryanc]

@@MadJack1 “bad education standards are communism!!1!” lmao

[@MadJack1]

@@_ryanc I was not referring to how it is communism like because it is bad but rather how they force it upon us

[@estampie1565]

Yeah, especially sucks for people with even the slightest learning impairments like adhd, add and all that good stuff. They expect you to follow the class at the same pace and sometimes it's just impossible for the kid.

[@Cheesewiz247]

@@MadJack1 The idea is to get students comfortable with multiple methods so they can build complex understanding and intuition, instead of just teaching them a simple formula that they memorize but don't understand. If students are clinging to one method like a pool wall, they'll never be challenged enough to build understanding.

[@courtjester1135]

Blaming the public for rejecting Common Core is like a comic blaming the audience's ignorance for not laughing at his 'sophisticated' jokes.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Well there are a whole lot of mathematicians and engineers who wish they were taught common core.

[@lookoutforchris]

@@peterisawesomeplease yeah ima weigh in here. Common core is absolute garbage. So was New Math, for anyone old enough to remember. Traditional math education from 100+ years ago was far superior. This idea that you have to reinvent the subject to teach it is trash. There are horrible and fundamental problems in the schools far more pressing than the way things are taught. Bozo teachers are probably at the top of the list. The incompetent cannot teach.

[@potatoraider7320]

@@peterisawesomeplease source: trust me

[@asdf51501]

Or a Hollywood director blaming "toxic fans" for the failure of their crappy movie.

[@nepnep8444]

@@peterisawesomeplease and that's two specific groups, not the general public who do not need to learn this way

[@charlottewagstaff5495]

I one time had a mental breakdown as a kid bc I did not understand anything my teacher was telling me ab math. The thing is my mom and dad put me in a traditional after school advancement program (Kumon) and they had taught me the quickest way to calculate mathematics. My parents went to the teacher that week and basically said “ I don’t care if she doesn’t do it the way you want! She gets the right answer and understands the concept between than most of the kids in her class.”

[@kailepotato]

As a student who was switched from the old education system to common core. I can safely say that common core has hurt many of us greatly. I used to be good at math, and I could easily understand it. Now its become this long complicated process, of switching numbers and splitting the big equations more tiny ones leaving more room for mistakes. My parents (who are both highly educated) cannot understand what I was learning in 6th grade let alone now in high school. How can I succeed if I cant even understand basic multiplication problems being over complicated by common core?

[@insightfuldocumentaries2892]

Look for extra guidance online or private self taught courses

[@multi-milliondollarmike5127]

I must have made it out before that was taught in schools; because I don't remember the process for math being that convuluted and outrageous.

[@JZ909]

Life is more than high school. It's important to graduate, but if you never quite fully understand it, that's ok. If you need to understand it later (and huge sections of society live just fine without understanding complicated math), there are plenty of online resources, 99 level courses at community colleges etc. People not having a great high school education is not a new problem, and your chances at happiness and success don't end just because you didn't get the highest quality high school education.

[@kaarekolstad3349]

Hi. As a parent, I'm considering taking my son out of "common Core education. What grade did you experienced in Public School.

[@balala7567]

take 35 x 12. a famous video has a teacher throwing convulated graphs everywhere, and someone just uses the old method and solves the problem in a few seconds. and I even beat the person using the old method with my mental math skills the way I processed it was 35 x 10 = 350 (To multiply something by ten, add a zero to the end.) 35 x 2 = 70 (3 + 3 = 6, 5 + 5 = 10, 6 * 10 = 60, 60 + 10 = 70) 350 + 50 = 400 (Remainder: 20) 400 + 20 = 420 35 x 12 = 420 It's fine to break problems up into smaller bits, but breaking it into hundreds of crumbs generally isn't a good idea.

[@miked.8016]

As a student who went through common core, it was horrible and everyone in my classes hated it

[@VHale-yz7hc]

If you didn’t know any different how do you know it was worse than what was before

[@rachelhansen2417]

@@VHale-yz7hc because it taught more complex ways of doing math that could be solved in much more simple ways. Parents, teachers, and other students could teach the simple ways, and of course, they got annoyed at the complex ways.

[@K..C]

My teachers seemed to ignore the shift to common core and just taught the way they normally did until I got to my latter High School years and got hella confused for no reason

[@flagmichael]

@@VHale-yz7hc It is objectively horrible.

[@pochuyma9530]

I saw my boys doing common core and taught them traditional methods AND Common Core.😡

[@hunterlawrence3573]

I love how the Incredibles 2 made fun of this. Bob: Why would they change math?

[@puerry]

MATH IS MATH

[@MrThedumbbunny]

They didnt. They simply changed the approach to the problem. Common core would probably work fine in a 50 year outlook but there was no infrastructure to it especially with parents helping out which probably needs to be accounted for in planning but wasnt.

[@michaelroberts4377]

@@MrThedumbbunny no, it would not. Top down control of the education system will always fail. People are different, allow teachers to teach. It is astonishing how much money we give schools to not teach children.

[@MrThedumbbunny]

@@michaelroberts4377 Why wouldnt taking the top students techniques and adding it to the toolkit for teachers be a good idea? I don't think common core was implemented at all well but there are probably quite a few things that could help teachers in their jobs over a say 50 or 60 year timeframe. The key is multiple sources of learning from parents to teachers to peers to books that can help translate the technique to kids. Common core was implemented with 1 maybe 2 sources: book (the worst mechanism) and maybe teacher.

[@michaelroberts4377]

@@MrThedumbbunny because the experts don’t have the best techniques and they are forcing it on all teachers over very different populations. Good ideas grow up from success in small tests then implemented, meanwhile better ideas grow elsewhere and gain favor. A massive bureaucracy cannot move fast enough and if it did every teacher would be frustrated. Every president has had a national education plan and they all have failed for this reason.

[@ArtisticHH57]

As someone with autism who struggles with learning the “correct way”, I must say, I am very grateful that this issue is finally being brought to attention on a national level.

[@Nstone53]

I threw a fit when I saw one of my daughters 2nd grade math questions. They turned a problem that would take 2min to do into a string of problems that took 5min. I was angry, my daughter was crying, my husband who was did championships was angry. Covid pushed us to homeschool and she scored 95% on her cat6 test. WAY better than she ever did in school. People naturally want to learn. Something is terribly wrong when you turn learning into a punishment.

[@deitachan7878]

Totally agree. People, especially children are naturally very curious and seek to understand the world around them. Learning is fun and your brain rewards you for it, but when your getting punished for trying to understand the work because you didn't get it immediately, it's not fun.

[@MaiDay01]

That how tests are everywhere outside the us. Critical thinking using core maths concepts to solve other equations. You can’t just do calculator work. If you truly understand the concept as she should have she would have been able to apply it to anything if she used the information the question presented.

[@nucleardog6675]

@@MaiDay01 I think the problem is everyone is different and not everyone will understand the reason. It is easier to muscle memory for the tests though.

[@MaiDay01]

@@nucleardog6675 that’s not a valid excuse anywhere. ‘Not everyone will understand the reason’ . You need to know the reason you are doing things. I can’t say as a student nurse that I don’t know why I’m putting on a dressing for a a leg ulcer, or that I don’t know how to get the volume for IV drugs , because of muscle memory. The education systems foundation should be making you understand first then apply.

[@reepicheepsfriend]

You’re thinking of an adult. Kids don’t necessarily have the same critical thinking skills. Before around age 12 their brains are optimized for memorization. That’s when it’s ideal for them to learn things like times tables, etc. Stop asking kids to be adults before they’re able to.

[@nocontentjustads3878]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one having trouble helping younger siblings with homework. I’ve done calculus in high school and it was confusing.

[@YeikyRivera]

At the time I was a college student, I also helped my siblings who were in elementary school. The common Core added nauseating steps - that elongated the task at hand without actually emphasizing the actual thing to be learned. It just taught students to take longer to solve something very simple.

[@donnawatkins8404]

@@YeikyRivera I remember when I saw my boys math workbook and knowing the answer to the problem but having no idea what I was looking at, what do they want here!? Told them do their best and I won't be mad if they don't get it. Showed them my way and told them to just put the answers down that way.

[@YeikyRivera]

@@donnawatkins8404I am glad you taught your boys better. Hopefully, they were not penalized for it.

[@heatherskrzypiec2682]

I took precalc in high school and got a C. Took calculus in college and got an A. Sometimes it's the teacher

[@nocontentjustads3878]

@@heatherskrzypiec2682 i meant to say that despite taking calculus in high school, i struggled to understand the new methods my younger siblings were being taught in the 4-6 grade. I didn’t struggle completing my calculus course.

[@zero-lj4no]

Student: "Will we ever use this in real life?" Teacher: "You won't but one of the smart kids probably will"

[@DisastrousCake]

The goal is for everyone to be smart kids.

[@deadsec_xz1541]

@@DisastrousCake Nope if you knew how this society worked you would know the real goal would be more workers.

[@morgangreed1969]

Yeah to me, I never had to more than basic algebra. The idea of using the quadratic equation or other more advanced topics in real life is laughable. Unless its directly related to your job, going online and asking a computer will be far faster. After all, you do have a super calculator in your pocket (smartphones)

[@azlizzie]

Pushing people to think at higher levels is how we avoid just a bunch of lame worker bees who just do what they’re told. Doing hard mathematics is part of learning how to think for yourself. “Eh. I don’t need to think this hard. Someone else can think this hard for me.” Do hard things. Most people don’t want to though; they want to be told what to do.

[@zero-lj4no]

Well capitalism started with slavery, you exploit the slaves work for profit. After slavery was illegal, capitalists sought to keep the working class poor and enslaved. We need poor worker bees in the US, someone NEEDS to be exploited for capitalism to work.

[@blackearl7891]

I always find it funny that the same people asking kids to learn more about critical thinking are the same people arguing that algebra is unnecessary without a shred of self awareness.

[@donutstudios6353]

algebra in its nature tries to employ critical thinking just people were dumb so they had to dumb it down to be like memorize this and ggs

[@Marryjanesbud]

The US education system is a literal joke. I can’t even begin to explain how many wasted hours I’ve spent on a math problem where I already knew the right answer but had to go back in order too “show my work”. I actually just flat out stopped attending high school cause of it. Luckily I had a good teacher who convinced me to come back and just marathon 6 months of missed work in the last month before graduation. Only reason I agreed was cause I was aloud to just do the work the way I understood how to do it. Thanks Mrs. Carol. My teacher saved my future but the educational system itself nearly deprived me of it. The older I get the more stunned I am by that fact that The system we have in place, is legitimately hindering our youths ability too learn. It’s unacceptably Disgusting, disrespectful & so disconnected from what it means to teach/learn I can’t begin too understand why our elected officials thought it was a good idea too begin with. Disgusting.

[@BoredCapturer]

The Canadian school system has the same "sHoW yOuR wOrK" thing too.

[@SleepyInu60]

Honestly that's nice of your teacher to help

[@BoredCapturer]

@@SleepyInu60 Read the original comment

[@oddzzyy5649]

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[@BoredCapturer]

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[@seraphilight]

Another interesting note: It's never been about education or the children, it's always how we are competing.

[@BadWolfSilence]

It’s about power and control. Brainwash the populace.

[@cynthiarothrock4255]

And greed of money on how many warm bodies in the seats we can get Xtra federal funding on without really teaching anything .

[@relaxingsounds1386]

And we're competing like s__t.

[@EmperorDecay]

I’m curious, what the higgity heck is America trying to compete against? China or something? It doesn’t matter which country, kids are getting depressed and ending themselves and their education.

[@amber5807]

Exactly. The Obama Administration is who brought in common core. My son used to love math, get A's, until middle school and now common core has shattered his confidence.

[@aleahc1379]

I was in school when common core went into effect, it honestly had a lot to do with myself and so many other kids dropping out. We didn’t understand and couldn’t keep up with the change, and neither could teachers. This was an issue in every single grade. It was insane and sad.

[@canon07]

I think like grade is just number and a score to pride with.

[@2008DodgeChallenger]

I’m currently on middle school at the moment and it’s still pretty similar I can’t understand a single thing about it and I struggle with math

[@snakeeyes9246]

The failing school systems is only one reason why I'm never going to have kids. Once I'm finished with college, which I'm in now, I will never be involved in a school system ever again.

[@canon07]

@@snakeeyes9246 this was the problem too like why do we work for something that we don't like vs we work for something for passion why does grade have to be a thing just because we're dumbasses for thing we aren't even good I am sorry we ain't stupid school.

[@canon07]

@@snakeeyes9246 yes it's is a failure like all your been through to k-12

[@ViceKnIghtTA]

Im happy that I got a teacher who cared more about how the class treated me than a robot who graded me on my math mistakes.

[@coleDavis-df5yi]

As a teacher from 1986-2019, Common Core was/is the single worst thing to happen to quality education in my opinion. Instead of teaching children, we had/have to teach to the test. Rather than focusing on student strengths and weaknesses, we have to do paperwork to turn in. More time was spent on paperwork and computer programs to monitor their “learning”, than actual good, pedagogical practices. We have lost sight of the child and only see rankings.

[@ACDBunnie]

Even before common core existed I was taught to the test and given a lot of paperwork/busywork

[@aaronhandy3700]

@@techtutorvideos they don't even teach cursive in schools. It's all part of dummy down the population. Under educated people are easier to control....

[@Someone-ro5ct]

@@ACDBunnie Really though. In one of my classes the teacher left the school so we have a permanent substitute. The only rules are sit down and shut up.

[@stormsmack69]

No, CRT is the worst thing to happen to schools. That and democrats being in charge of it. Oh and teachers unions...

[@Chrisratata]

@@aaronhandy3700 dude getting rid of cursive has nothing to do with dummying down and control lol please stop. Our growing digital world just makes it all the more unnecessary

[@gothnate]

I used to help my ex-girlfriend's daughter with her math homework during the height of common core. It's not so much the CC method that was stupid. Everyone has a way they learn best and CC could certainly be included in that. What was stupid was answers being counted incorrect even though the final answer WAS correct. She showed her work and did the best way for her to get the correct answer, and it was still counted wrong because the school wanted her to go through confusing steps their way. Half the teachers didn't understand CC math and they were teaching kids how to do it with parents having no clue about it. The idea itself was a good one, but the implementation was horrid.

[@Angie_bae]

The lattice method was the worst💀 it was easy but took more time than regular stuff we learned to do before

[@nulian]

In the netherlands you will never get full marks for the more complex math without showing how you got to it answer doesn't say anything. Though you aren't locked in to 1 method except showing the steps you took.

[@equinox2584]

I would say in defense of Common Core my teachers taught us many methods to do things so we could choose. I remember I always liked the normal ones but there were other kids that couldn't understand the normal ones very well and they used the other more visual techniques and it seemed to help them. Common Core was a really good idea because we have a huge inconsistency problem in our system and I think if better executed it could certainly work.

[@Angie_bae]

@@equinox2584 understandable but if the kid can’t do lattice right but got the right answer, then give the kid an A

[@equinox2584]

@@Angie_bae Getting the right answer is not everything, of course, if the students do understand what they did right and why the answer is correct that is what is important not just the answer. Also what kind of elementary school gives out important letter grades?

[@jbarnes1599]

Government: finding the most expensive way to completely fail at everything.

[@benwalter4842]

Especially infrastructure

[@jamesbra4410]

Sort of, more like how can we milk the most profit for ourselves while diminishing the competitive advantage of education to make the inequality gap even wider.

[@devintompkins9626]

Money laundering at its finest

[@KeyThePony]

In our country at least. Our culture's anti-government stance is a major cause. It means citizens don't respect civic engagement and don't believe in their own ability to get involved and make a good difference. This leaves us with only rich, socially disconnected, typically older people with agendas as the only willing volunteers for the job. And once they get there, their constituents' apathy and cynicism tells them thry should just use the power for themselves while they have it, like any American in this era probably would.

[@KeyThePony]

Government, like anything in this world is a neutral construct, but it can only be as just or as corrupt as its people. We've become a selfish, uneducated people with no loyalty or humility, only concerned with buying the next shiny piece of garbage handed to us by those who we let tell us what to accept. So it naturally follows our government, even with such a well-written Constitution would become the same... inept, selfish, dysfunctional, hot-headed.. like the family it was born from.

[@speakmymindify]

Conversation I had last week… “my Grandson’s are way behind in reading” , their Mom works until 8pm. “Their Mom makes sure they don’t eat foods with dyes, she’s a great Mom” Dad is busy working and taking evening classes. THIS is also a huge part of the problem. No parent involvement. Big houses, big SUVs. Lots of debt and no one to raise the kids. Schools can only do so much.

[@WinstonWolfe73]

Very true. It's not the school's job to raise kids.

[@speakmymindify]

@ I truly don’t understand why people have children knowing they have no time or intention to raise them and then complain. Maybe why we have such a high youth suicide rate. Very very sad.

[@hydroviperking]

We were mocking how stupid school was in band and then our teacher took a week to just teach us about taxes and mortgages etc. we thought he was joking at first until he pulled out a calculator

[@jessyjulie5506]

Did u learn anything, or was it a waste of time?

[@akari707bangtan]

@@jessyjulie5506 Ofc they learned smth. Its taxes and mortgages ffs. Every adult has to do them

[@jessyjulie5506]

@@akari707bangtan yea, but it was only a week, so they might have forgot.

[@phugindomas]

@@jessyjulie5506 you never forget being taught taxes and mortgage if you pay attention. It's too emphasized and important.

[@gregoryschreiter8505]

Sounds like an important lesson, good on the teacher

[@clarayi1840]

Common core was implemented between my 7th and 8th year of middle school. It convinced me I was bad at math, made me absolutely despise it, and led me to feel awful. 6 years later, I go to college at UC San Diego and receive 95%+ on all my math courses without studying. And no, it’s not because the common core classes taught me well- it’s because I’m just naturally good at NORMAL MATH. I hate common core. It crushed me for 6 years.

[@yaowsers77]

i'm so sorry this happened to you. i worked at an after school program and it usually fell to me to help the kids with homework. i would do my best to show them how it's done their way, but i also showed them the old school way so they could check themselves. i explained things in terms that they'd understand and not the crazy new math. the new math really screwed up a lot of kids. then i had a supervisor when i taught 8th grade math who would yell at me when i tried to tell the kids to try it without a calculator. she really screwed over a lot of kids because placement exams for private high schools and all colleges have at least a portion that doesn't allow calculators.

[@thisisashan]

You should tell your local congressman. This is happening to a lot of youth, and I think its on purpose. We import people good at math and engineering (H1B visa), and poorly educate our own students now. The countries we import these skills from do not use common core (because its trash). TBH I feel like they are doing this on purpose to stupify our current generations.

[@mysteryblondee]

Before common core I was in 2nd grade, I could do long division in my head and was in an advanced math class! After 4th grade, I hated math and didn't score well for the rest of my years until my junior year of HS (which I put immense amounts of effort).

[@thisisashan]

@@mysteryblondee Honestly though, all of you that have issues with this should contact all of your local congressmen. If they don't hear about it, they don't do anything about it. It is nuts teachers are required to approach it this way or lose funding from the government.

[@therealbs2000]

You get straight As in college math without studying? why is common core so hard???

[@ndrocca]

I took Chemistry in high school and I loved it! My teacher had a PHD in organic chemistry so he knew his stuff but he also didn’t put a lot of pressure on how we learned it. He encouraged us to find our own ways to remember concepts or answer questions if we couldn’t understand the ways he taught us. We had homework, but it was optional. He only recommended it if you were struggling with understanding the content and they were never for marks. He was very understanding if you were stuck/struggling and provided resources to help. We had tests, but if you did poorly on the first one and improved your marks later, he shifted the weight of the tests so the better ones would be worth more. In short, he made learning fun, regardless of how fast or slow you were learning it. It’s an example I will always point to in how a great teaching environment will make you enjoy a subject a lot more. Especially since I took Chemistry in my first year of University and did not enjoy it. I found it tedious and not nearly as interesting. Especially now that I have taken Psychology, seeing this common core program drives me crazy!

[@manlyman1393]

Lucky you. My school just uses the sports coaches to save on money so we barely learn anything.

[@noobifest2413]

Woah, nice! My teacher also had a PHD in organic chemistry from UPenn and she's great!

[@olliesweirdworld]

High school student here: never seen that common core math before

[@mitchhammond3213]

I was an elementary schooler in the 2010's and all I can say as someone with multiple learning disabilities, I never truly got it. I didnt understand any of it, I would spend hours with my parents eventually sometimes giving up and doing it basically for me. It discouraged me from school all together until around high school and still affects my math skills today. You can't build a single story without a foundation first and lots of kids never built that foundation.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Well if you were in Asia we would have just left you behind. Get a trade job or work harder

[@MmeHyraelle]

@@aaronmontgomery2055 how can you work harder at something you cant comprehend?

[@nanszoo3092]

I never got math when I was in school but when I went to college in my mid20s all of a sudden I could do it. It was hard but in a rewarding way.

[@girrlove12321]

Common core started the year after I graduated and I’m really upset I never got a chance to learn it in a class setting, even if it doesn’t make much sense.

[@MarvinYoani]

@@girrlove12321 because curiosy right?

[@jerryc7922]

My grandmother was a teacher and through her connections while in retirement said that 2nd graders were getting nightmares from their homework. It is a terrible program.

[@bvegannow1936]

End mandatory school, ged and hsd requirements, age limits, minimum wage, and exsessive regulations. End public school. End gov mandated curriculums. End one size fits all education. People should be able to learn how to do a good job they want so they can afford a house and car before 18. For those parents who can't afford it, chairty (where the donar gets a full non refundable tax credit that Carry's over for an unlimited amount of years) and or the about $15,000/y spent on k thru 12 could pay for it(vouchers for private or home school or job training) and trash k thru 12 and some of that money could be used to promote more independence and healthy living. Kids shouldn't be forced to go to school. Kids should have much more choice over their education. Elon musk and many of the smartest and richest people seem to agree that the public education system sucks and that kids should pretty much be provided with opportunity to learn useful info such as job skills but allowed to choose what they r interested in at least to a larger degree. Elon musk taught himself to build rockets by reading books reportedly and elon said like u don't need college to learn stuff every thing is available basically for free . Elon said like there's no need to have a college or high school degree... Watch videos about elon musk's opinions on education if u need more convincing, If u treat kids with respect, not lesser than due to age, and don't be a hypocrite, that often builds their trust and they will be more likely to listen to u. Many kids copy you, being copied is like the highest compliment. There shouldn't be a need to force or coerce them to learn things. When u force or coerce them u r teaching them to use force and coercion to get whatever they want and the cycle of violence force and coersion often continues, it also can ruin trust making them less likely to do what u want when they can get away with it. If u can't convince them with uncoersive persuasion to learn something, whatever u want them to learn probably isn't right for them to learn at that time if at all. Doing what u want them to do and explaining why and offering to teach them how to do what u do might get them to learn that. If they know learning a certian thing will help improve their life that can help them also, such as a job skills so they can get a job and buy things. U don't Wana be forced to learn things so don't be a hypocrite. People who learn things just cuz they r forced or coerced often never use the info exsept to pass a test they r coerced to take shortly after then they often forget it soon after that, cuz they didn't have a good reason to learn it. If they r provided with good educational and job training opportunities and proper encouragement and given choice over their education, they will probably be smarter than what k thru 12 turns out. merely being smart isn't only what's important, being moral also is. If u treat them how u wouldn't want them to treat u by forcing them to learn things, u r teaching them to be immoral. They r often more likey to do as u do not what u say. Just look at how dumb the adult population is, voting in evil polticans. Many High school grads don't even know how to work a cash register and r not considered skilled labor, and u think they should be forced to learn a bunch of useless info they will just forget after the test? Many kids often Kno what's better for themself than what gov thinks is best for them. The education system needs to change for the better and this is how u do it.

[@Yaboishwa]

Meanwhile, virtually every student who looked at common core as it was rolled out KNEW it was a terrible system!

[@FilliamPL]

12:10 “politicalization [sic]” should be politicization. The infinitive would be “to politicize”; there is no infinitive “to politicalize”.

[@sandrameesala6804]

For conversation sake, I seriously think that kids need to progress based on understanding skills as opposed to grades. We rely too heavily on standardized exams and grades overall. While that may be how certifications function, there's no need to center every class or grade level on it. It only breeds cramming. Active learning like group projects, giving kids freedom to pursue interests, making education relatable and bringing back skills like computer education, independent living subjects like finances and sowing, and trades will help students succeed. In the real world you work in teams, be proficient in computers. Basically know skills. And most importantly, how to self reflect and look for resources.

[@GaiaCarney]

Sandra - well said 🕊

[@supergamergrill7734]

Yeah I'm a high school teen and I always do this. Cramm then dump

[@flagmichael]

I agree, but in the current concept it falls apart when determining graduation based on a set of skills and talents (I know - let's teach them talents!) that few people completely cover. I suggest we graduate people from public school when they reach a level of skills that exceed the standards in their strong fields and are not improving in the fields they will never understand. There is no more to be gained, so why burn time? I was strong in what today is known as STEM, but (now retired after 48 years in high tech troubleshooting jobs) used surprisingly little of what I learned beyond the fundamentals of algebra and physics. I never needed to know what iambic pentameter is - not once. I have no appreciation of art or music because neither one is in my soul. Solving mysteries in the real world - that is for me. We have policies for what schools should do with children but we have little intelligence in any of it.

[@flagmichael]

@@supergamergrill7734 I remember when I was in school, students universally agreed we were learning a lot of useless stuff. The teachers assured us that when we were adults we would understand. They were right! I understand we were learning a lot of useless stuff. I thought adults could change that, but it turns out we can't. I don't know exactly why.

[@supergamergrill7734]

@@flagmichael Yeah. I'm gonna become a engineer. Why do I gotta know how to do poems and all the muscles in the human body.

[@zane6138]

Tbh, I’m glad I had a teacher who didn’t care how to do a problem the “right” way and cared more of if you got the answer correct, she literally let us do it any way possible if it was correct

[@Sentientmatter8]

I stopped liking math when I got in trouble with my first grade teacher for explaining an addition problem using multiplication.

[@VRNocturne]

Lucky you - when I was in elementary school back in the 80's, the right answer had to be done the "right" way. That's WAY before the Common Core era. People blame Common Core for things that come down to the individual teacher.

[@Shoelessjoe78]

​@@Sentientmatter8I'm sorry you had that experience. As a special education teacher I fight this battle every day. And my students go to college... (Nowadays I've worked SDC as well). I care for my students dearly support them in their growth however it best suits them. So you are all aware. We simply do not have the support and financing we need. It's gotten significantly worse in the last 20 years. Before you tar and feather me I'm also a veteran. My military kit improved dramatically over my teaching kit. We have to stop worrying about wars and start worrying about our country's future.

[@givemeurmoney1244]

@@Sentientmatter8Schools are messed up in a lot of ways, not just the way they teach. I was told that I couldn't speak Chinese to my friend when I was 7 years old.

[@ms.pirate]

This is why parents should have the right to home school their kids!

[@asioflammeus4846]

When I was in high school, I was so negatively affected by one of my math classes that it was the thing that pushed me over the edge into needing therapy. Almost every school night for almost four months I broke down crying because of my homework in it. I was convinced that I was stupid and I was a failure because I wasn't able to do my work the "correct" way. Later on when I started college, my calculator died the day I had an exam in a Statistics class. Doing advanced math in my head the way I understood it, I, the person who was convinced I was a failure because my previous math was "wrong", got a 94% on the exam. Common core does NOT reflect a student's actual capabilities and to tout it as the best form of education is ludicrous and immensely harmful.

[@cynthiarothrock4255]

Common core also is the dumbest way to do household checkbook and BANKING. and this knowledge is how many tossed out common core nonsense. BY MAKING EDUCATIONAL STAFF DO IT IN PUBLIC. And showing even they can't make sense in public at a register trying to count money back using a grid instead of teaching real math.

[@matthewkopp2391]

I was similar. I understood geometry very intuitively and aced exams but didn’t know the math. I was accused of cheating. But I have natural gift in the visual arts. The idea that there are different learning styles has been known in modern psychology for one hundred years, but it’s actually mentioned in Plato‘s dialogues as well so this was known for thousands of years.

[@FlashToso]

You are complaining about LOCAL lesson & grading policy. How do you learn anything new unless focused on learning a NEW lesson & proving mastery. You ignored the lesson?

[@AlexBesogonov]

Why would you even need a calculator at school?

[@DCBChump]

@@FlashToso The lesson is that common core math is insane.

[@wickedbird1538]

I excelled in mathematics back in the 70s and graduated college with an accounting degree. I can do arithmetic without a calculator. But When a young mother tried to explain common core to me, it completely lost me.

[@frankvazquez5974]

Yeeah, a young mother is a good candidate to explain how common core works. Great test sample. Most teachers don't even know how common core math works, and the problem is in teacher training, not the common core.

[@lanatureestlartdedieu9591]

@@frankvazquez5974 I don’t see why not

[@j.c.2240]

@@frankvazquez5974 If it's so simple and logical, then explain it to me.

[@jaqssmith1666]

@@frankvazquez5974 who do you think helps the kid with their homework, genius?

[@shinefia5987]

@@frankvazquez5974 you r embarassing and annoying with this comment. Gtfoh

[@metalheadmermaid]

I absolutely hated when my school started using Common Core. There were even requirements for art class that the art teacher openly disliked and limited our artistic freedom.

[@dakotamabry1645]

I remember they did common core during a 30 minute free time we had ... the kids who were going to the other school for higher level classes escaped this crap ..

[@gino14]

The whole point of Common Core Philosophy is to teach lateral thinking - that instead of a single road from question to answer, it is a forest with many possible routes. In other words, it was supposed to encourage freedom by teaching you how to move freely in mathematical space. And you're telling me they countered that by imposing restrictions on the _one_ subject that teaches lateral thought?

[@dakotamabry1645]

@@gino14 it made things more complicated- most teachers just used it for a quiz grade and gave us the answer and then moved on to their subjects . They didn't like the indoctrination and found the course to be a means to an end . Don't blame them because they were literally threatened to be fired for refusing and if the class failed it .

[@abigail7496]

So this is why I stayed up until midnight trying to get my math homework done with my grandma not understanding and trying to teach me “her way”, while I cried and went to school the next day totally sleep deprived just to do it again the next night 🙃🙃🙃 But even after all of that, all of my correct answers were marked wrong because I had to “show my work” to prove I used the common core method, since I used the “old” method it was “wrong” 🙃 As a fourth and fifth grader and up until I finally graduated. School was a hellhole in the 00s and 10s

[@ets160]

When I was in school common core started and my teachers HATED it. Half of them didn’t follow it or they brushed it off and I am so grateful for them. My younger sister is currently in school and I can’ barely solve half her problems because of their wording and formatting. I’m a university student btw…

[@ShinyUmbreon106]

I never had a teacher after it was implemented that liked it

[@Starrytchi]

Bro I feel you- I have a younger bro going into 5th while I’m going into 11th (we’re on summer break so). I couldn’t help him with his math because it was all formatted so weirdly! I thought I was just stupid and forgetful. Thanks for making me realize it’s because of the common core :”)

[@darynfreeman3643]

My teachers did not like that common core standards as well. One of my middle school teachers retired because of it. She would follow the book but she would teach the formulas her way. When the new superintendent came in her classroom, and saw the way how she was teaching the content, he pulled her to the side and was very rude to her. The next day she stated that she would be retiring at the end of the year. Now that I am a math teacher, I love and hate the common core standards, and I also see issues in the curriculum, that my teachers used to complain about. There are a-lot of things I can say about , but to summarize everything up; the government does not care about the learning of the students, but instead they implement these curriculums to put money in their wallets. They are going to continue to get away with it if teachers and parent don't stand up for whats right. The problems started in education, when we stopped fighting.

[@FlashToso]

Parents object to the more traditional, precise language that wasn't included when they learned math.

[@Randomsloth989]

I took a basic college level algebra class junior year in highschool. Almost failed I barely passed. Took the same exact class in college and got an A. My effort didn’t change, but it was so much easier to understand because my professor didn’t really care how we got the answer and what he taught made sense as long as we could back it up by showing work. The American educational system is so broken

[@maxwelllee5006]

Man, I was so interested in math before common core was implemented. Right when I got to high school, common core was implemented and everything was so confusing. Teachers didn’t know how to teach it and people including me struggled through it. I started hating math during that time and just gave up. Now I’m in college and basically relearning everything I should’ve learned during high school without common core. It’s a pain in the ass.

[@QueenMasumi]

I learned math more in college than all of my elementary school , I learned percentages and fraction more and other stuff!! its depressing!

[@arieyanatheturtle1486]

Literally! I’m having to relearn everything

[@obscurelyvague]

"Maxwell Lee" I never went to school until I was well into my mid 20s. I doubt anyone intentionally meant 'common core' to make kids fail. But apparently it did. How was it believed to be better than the curriculum before it? What was the purpose? Was math the main focus as far as changing the way it is taught in schools?

[@QueenMasumi]

@Bryan Smith I learned how to do big multiplication in my head by a dumb guy on KZbin. Trust me I want to strangle the government too. Whoever thought of the “communist math” (nicknamed I made up) should go back to school and learn math all over again and have the teacher say, we aren’t learning it your way we are doing it this way.

[@frankvazquez5974]

Don't blame common core. Blame poor teacher training and implementation. If teacher's knew how to teach it and it was rolled out effectively, common core math is actually based on research into how children learn math and what is seen in other countries who do much better than us in this area. The problem is that our society is moronic and doesn't actually value or support education properly. The fact that so many people jump on this political bandwagon of hating common core is proof of this. People talking about something they know nothing about.

[@el_b5000]

How about teaching kids to simply get the answer--no matter how they get it (except if they cheat of course). It makes zero sense to force them to think about a problem one way. In fact, it's hindering.

[@keanaj.8877]

I remember I had a teacher who would grade our math on our work, NOT our answers. She also graded on how hard she THOUGHT we tried. Worst class I’ve ever taken, and I’m saying this as someone’s who’s good at math.

[@RagPunker]

At higher levels, the method you use could work for one set of variables but not another set. I forget the exact example, but I ran into this in one of my electronics classes where math was heavily involved.

[@RagPunker]

That's horrid. I, and now my oldest daughter, frequently do the easy parts in our heads then write down the rest. I had a long serious conversation with her math teacher when she started disliking math, her favorite subject.

[@nilesh_jeetun1677]

@Genwooo that some big brain voodoo right there

[@RenaGoss]

More than half of the kids in my classes cheated to get the answer, while I just did it the way that best helped me understand

[@RachelScalfani]

“How would you solve this equation?” Proceeds to pull out phone.

[@ronndapagan]

The calculator was a godsent!!!

[@tristanzaleski4583]

In high school, when I was taking Calc AB (a highschool precursor to Calc I in college) and my teacher did not allow calculators for the first several months. One of his famous quotes was always, "USE YOUR HEAD" quickly followed by angry grumbling about "These kids can't even do MATH!..". He attacked mathematics with a level of vicious sarcasm that somehow not only motivated students to prove his constant jeers wrong, but all while also breaking down EVERY step and trick in the play book of any problem BY HAND. Learned more math in those classes with him than any year previous combined.

[@dallasdull5808]

I was taught common core in elementary school, on my first day of middle school I remember having a breakdown because we weren't allowed to use CC. I hadn't been taught any of the regular methods. I had to relearn EVERYTHING

[@capitalb5889]

You are at an advantage - understanding two methods is helpful.

[@Ry_TSG]

@@capitalb5889 How is wasting years of their life learning methods that are less effective barely used in the real world an advantage?

[@capitalb5889]

@@Ry_TSG because they are more effective at an early age

[@ynkybomber]

@@capitalb5889 why would you say that? Put this example into some other medium and you can see how dumb your comment is.

[@capitalb5889]

@@ynkybomber not sure which of my posts you are replying to, but I think it is probably the first about knowing more than one method. How is that dumb? But let's apply to other things: More than one way to cook fish. More than one recipe for chilli. More than one than one method of tying a slip knot. More than one way of saying the same thing. And finally, more than one way to skin a cat. Personally, I can do addition in several ways - the way I learned at school, on a Japanese abacus and with a calculator. The latter two are the most useful. I know someone who has a mental abacus and can do large sums very quickly in her head.

[@gnomish5162]

When I was in elementary school, we had common core. When I’d ask my dad for help on my homework, he would always talk about how much more complicated common core was compared to how he learned

[@Christinekueblerartist]

I am a former public school teacher. This insanity is part of the reason I left. No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top we’re also some of the other factors. I earned a Montessori certificate 10 years into my career. Montessori math is where it’s at. It’s been around for roughly 100 years and has been researched extensively. Truly, it was the most amazing approach to learning math I have ever experienced. And here’s the thing, the methods are the methods, math is math, it doesn’t change. You’d never need to buy another curriculum again if these methods were adopted. People profit off of telling us how broken things are. It’s a constant spin. Politicians get elected off of promising to fix it and between those two things, it’ll never end. I used to be very pro public Ed. I’m not anymore. Between lobbying and the politics involved in it we’ve really lost control of our schools to special interest.

[@xxluaxx6]

I agree as a parent with kids who are in Montessori. They will either remain there or if we can’t swing it they will come home to homeschool in the Montessori method. Montessori magic is SO MUCH more too. Like self directed, autodidactic learning. Materials that are clear in what they teach. Showing up to a school where you are a part of a community and your contribution matters vs. a series and rewards and punishments (grades, suspensions, PBIS). I love Montessori so much.

[@me-pz5yi]

Totally agree 💯

[@ldv02]

Totally agree. We homeschool and my kids are excelling in math CC is total nonsense

[@tex6924]

Absolutely. If instead of turning everything on its head out of fear of other nations, we listened to students and fixed things that have a massive impact within the school system (like having to pay for food, having terrible food given to them everyday, having to get up too early for the circadian rhythm at an early age, having too much paperwork, stress from bullying etc without adequate counseling & preventative measures, and many more) we would be doing so much better

[@growtocycle6992]

Evidence is good for Montessori through elementary and maybe intermediate. Starts to break down about high school level, where more explicit methods of teaching become increasingly efficient, because topics are less intuitive

[@TurbinationE]

"You can ask any adult and they'd probably be able to recite the Pythagorean Theorem back to you." Oh, you innocent, naive girl. You don't understand how bad it is.

[@matikaevur6299]

The problem is you are fed with theory (even if that much) and learn to check right boxes in test. Add to that theory some application in real life .. there is hope someone finds it interesting and remembers it. You need to create (almost) perfect right angle on landscape and have only few sticks and good length of rope - your old friend Pythagoras from your school days can help ..

[@jaywhoisit4863]

Everyone I know could easily recite that equation. I live in Africa and this is basic knowledge.

[@seleyav.7101]

Really? You could ask people here in Germany and at least 98% of them over the age of 15 will know this theorem. It is common knowledge, nothing special.

[@dontmindme9046]

@@seleyav.7101 In America it isn't common knowledge.

[@dontmindme9046]

@@jaywhoisit4863 Not in America.

[@mikerock8177]

They also need to add a personal finance course School from kindergarten through high school and Beyond

[@TheBooban]

Would make math useful.

[@poione42]

Thought that was our job as parents. To teach your kids about finances and responsibilities.

[@iironhide6209]

@@poione42 it’s a responsibility of both.

[@jojitogonzales]

If you're asian half of what they teach in personal finance isn't necessary lol. save money and plan, that's it

[@dondp7500]

No.... goverment is the worst with money... Don't let them teach you about personal finance 😂😂😂

[@alistairblaire6001]

One size fits all education at K-12 isn’t working. We need to test kids into separate groups based on ability. Doing so would probably cut down on bullying too, but I know the anti-bullying campaigns are just lip service because school administrators either do nothing or they punish the kid who’s being bullied. Then they wonder why some of these kids suddenly snap one day.

[@TheMunchkin66]

I'll never forget that I was considered one of the "gifted" children throughout elementary and half of middle school, but when common core became the standard I just couldn't keep up with the demand. All the students who I saw excelling at the time were the children of teachers or cheated on everything. In high school before we had to take one of these experimental exams for common core that would decide whether we passed the entire class, our teacher apologized to us. I failed that test by one point and had to retake my math class the next year. One point. I tried to fight it, but they said they couldn't pull one point out of nowhere. I ended up dropping out because a family member got sick and I ended up later getting my TASC. I was able to do that in just 3 months, retain the information of 4 years of high school, because the way it was being taught was not under common core. Truly hurts me how bad this system failed myself as well as my peers.

[@thomasbh5223]

most gifted kids sputter out once everyone else catches up

[@floief]

The Common Core theory was trying to make children all learn in exactly the same way...I guess to make education more efficient(?) or cost less(?). All I know is that my honor students were in tears every night complaining they were stupid as they tried to produce homework that adhered to program standards. Any "method" that produces that kind of reaction is a giant failure.

[@chrcb_]

i used to take almost all honors classes, but after last year with the combined failure of common core + online learning i ended up dropping all of them. its really hard to accept that i might no longer be "above average" but i genuinely cannot take all the stress. i remember sobbing hysterically to my mom as i turned in my english final because i was so worried it didn't match the rubric given. i ended up getting a B+ on it, luckily, but the amount of stress i felt that week was absolutely unbearable. common core sucks SO MUCH and im worried for my younger cousins who now have probably a more complicated version of it :(

[@floief]

@@chrcb_ .....but, you are an achiever and will probably always be ambitious in anything that interests you. It's knowing when you're stressed and what to do to ease that stress that's key. One of my girls decided to drop her least favorite honors class and that was enough to get her back on track. She can now spend more time on what she considers interesting so she's smiling again. (I probably shouldn't say this but...when she has trouble with an assignment she researches it, learns it the way SHE thinks then presents it the way they want to see it. Her favorite saying these days is "what they don't know won't hurt me") People aren't computers. They can't be programmed. Sometimes it's better to approach a problem from a different angle.

[@pugdad2555]

@@chrcb_ the ironic thing is you were never above average. There is no "above average" because it is only based on what the test makers wants it to be based on. So save yourself the stress and realize that inorder to get into better colleges, you will have to know people. Literally 90% of Ivy League students got in because they knew someone. Gotta love Capitalism!!! So start going to parties where rich/connected families go to and get in with their circle.

[@bvegannow1936]

End mandatory school, ged and hsd requirements, age limits, minimum wage, and exsessive regulations. End public school. End gov mandated curriculums. End one size fits all education. People should be able to learn how to do a good job they want so they can afford a house and car before 18. For those parents who can't afford it, chairty (where the donar gets a full non refundable tax credit that Carry's over for an unlimited amount of years) and or the about $15,000/y spent on k thru 12 could pay for it(vouchers for private or home school or job training) and trash k thru 12 and some of that money could be used to promote more independence and healthy living. Kids shouldn't be forced to go to school. Kids should have much more choice over their education. Elon musk and many of the smartest and richest people seem to agree that the public education system sucks and that kids should pretty much be provided with opportunity to learn useful info such as job skills but allowed to choose what they r interested in at least to a larger degree. Elon musk taught himself to build rockets by reading books reportedly and elon said like u don't need college to learn stuff every thing is available basically for free . Elon said like there's no need to have a college or high school degree... Watch videos about elon musk's opinions on education if u need more convincing, If u treat kids with respect, not lesser than due to age, and don't be a hypocrite, that often builds their trust and they will be more likely to listen to u. Many kids copy you, being copied is like the highest compliment. There shouldn't be a need to force or coerce them to learn things. When u force or coerce them u r teaching them to use force and coercion to get whatever they want and the cycle of violence force and coersion often continues, it also can ruin trust making them less likely to do what u want when they can get away with it. If u can't convince them with uncoersive persuasion to learn something, whatever u want them to learn probably isn't right for them to learn at that time if at all. Doing what u want them to do and explaining why and offering to teach them how to do what u do might get them to learn that. If they know learning a certian thing will help improve their life that can help them also, such as a job skills so they can get a job and buy things. U don't Wana be forced to learn things so don't be a hypocrite. People who learn things just cuz they r forced or coerced often never use the info exsept to pass a test they r coerced to take shortly after then they often forget it soon after that, cuz they didn't have a good reason to learn it. If they r provided with good educational and job training opportunities and proper encouragement and given choice over their education, they will probably be smarter than what k thru 12 turns out. merely being smart isn't only what's important, being moral also is. If u treat them how u wouldn't want them to treat u by forcing them to learn things, u r teaching them to be immoral. They r often more likey to do as u do not what u say. Just look at how dumb the adult population is, voting in evil polticans. Many High school grads don't even know how to work a cash register and r not considered skilled labor, and u think they should be forced to learn a bunch of useless info they will just forget after the test? Many kids often Kno what's better for themself than what gov thinks is best for them. The education system needs to change for the better and this is how u do it.

[@kabloosh699]

Quality education will never be a "one size fits all" approach. We all learn in different ways and progress at different speeds. You can standardize some parts of it sure, but that is really only to gauge where someone is at and whether you need to alter your approach on how to teach.

[@songsfromtheheart37]

Government: our schools are failing, we must rewrite Everything! Teachers: ... maybe just pay us more and invest more into schools? Gov: 😂 no.

[@DW-mn6zt]

teachers are way way overpaid

[@somewing_alt9907]

@@DW-mn6zt under*

[@alx8571]

@@DW-mn6zt What do you do?

[@MISsBeauty100100]

Teachers need more time within official hours to master and plan lessons/curriculum. There are a lot of teachers that struggle with lesson planning and grading outside of the official working hours. We (am a teacher myself) burn ourselves out and burn our students out. By the end of the day, the kids are just tired and mentally exhausted.

[@DJNO4444]

Teachers unions are a detriment to American society

[@ryanharing8490]

It’s sad that people think THiS is what is rotting our school systems. The problem is that schools graduate every student with a pulse. If there are no consequences for laziness, students don’t need to try.

[@buckethead979]

I remember my teacher was teaching us how to add fractions with different denominators. I was so confused, and no matter what the teacher tried I couldn't get it. Then, my dad showed me how he did it in school and it just clicked. I got confident, and showed the whole class his method. My teacher asked me to explain it and I couldn't, but I knew I was right. She then used me as a wrong example because I wasn't following common core. I was in fifth grade...

[@idkwhattoputhere5503]

Ikr my parents give me all sorts of tricks for math that are muchhhhhh simpler than the methods school uses. It’s like school is trynna make us confused with harder and more confusing methods

[@stephen01king]

The fact that you can't explain why your answer is what common core is trying to avoid.

[@joshuacheung6518]

"Show your work" "I did it in my head" "You fail the test" "What? But i got all the answers right!" "The test said to show your work, not finish the test in 5 minutes"

[@Xhw3288]

From what I understand, your dad didn’t teach exactly why fractions are added the way that they are, and what you are actually doing when you add them. He just showed you a trick that just gave you the answer. If I’m wrong, then let me know. I teach 4th grade and I tell my class they HAVE to be able to explain what they are doing and how it works. If they can’t, then they don’t really understand it. If they can explain it, then I let them use any short cuts they want.

[@Xhw3288]

@@idkwhattoputhere5503 the goal is not to get the correct answer, it’s to be able to explain your answer. I don’t mean explain the steps, that’s easy. I mean really breakdown why the math works.

[@hippoge7987]

I was in the last non-Common Core class and I remember being part of the test group for traditional v Common Core math and we were just as frustrated learning Common Core as parents are frustrated assisting their kids today. It was bad from the start, and the teachers and us students knew it.

[@KayamaAi]

Honestly, I used to hate it when I knew things in math and had to wait for everyone else to catch up, but that didn't last long. Ultimately, my feelings towards mathematics would slowly overtime become one of disdain, apathy, and lack of commitment towards the art. From elementary school to middle school, I was quite on the top with math. But in highschool, everything just crashed down, causing me to fail algebra and trigonometry courses. It was embarrassing, and I felt terrible that I was never able to be like other kids to learn the skills with passion anymore. I could say a lot of it went down as my depression got worse over the years, but I would say it was something more with myself. Though in my third year of college, I think I can do financial stuff alright. I can do taxes, and I know how to do a bit of accounting. But reflecting back, I would've tried harder in math if I was given the guidance and was challenged more and more for my skill, allowing me to be better with math; instead of influencing my lack of commitment towards anything that isn't just "social skills."

[@limmy1931]

I agree. There are so many student who know more in x subjects than their current grade teaches yet instead of being rewarded and learning new material different from the standard, they are forced to do the same work as everybody else and listen to the same thing as everyone else even though they already know the subject.

[@bexar750]

@Limmy The best teacher I ever had was my 4th grade teacher, who always held a pretest before a math unit. If you did good on it, you didn't have to sit through the lessons, and you were allowed to sit in the hallway and play math games. You'd only have to take the test. It motivated everyone to do better and to learn more, so that they can join this group. Performance on tests shot up instantly. This was such a breath of fresh air for me, because I knew most of the curriculum and didn't have to sit through it. Adapting this system to high school, you could take a pretest, find out which topics you already know and then when that topic comes up, you can just do your homework, instead of wasting time on something you already know.

[@williamkim8866]

personal experience precisely predicted the rest of the words in your comment. the amount of unhealthy thoughts i went through seeing bad grades come out on tests whose concepts i understood is utterly unbelievable.

[@seanofthedead3076]

i've heard this is something that happens often to "gifted students" as they're called. the same happened to me, gradual disinterest once i reached high school to the point of not caring about grades anymore (AP english junior year) or hitting a wall and not being able to figure my way around it (precalculus, also junior year) it just becomes a chore, to the point of considering just dropping out despite my chances of going to university

[@trollermcgeetv]

Yo same. I’m a junior in high school and although I found calculus easy, I lost a lot of interest in math and really struggled with trigonometry.

[@onyxrose3407]

Between this and No Child Left Behind really screwed our education system

[@TheQwakin]

I've always been ahead of most of my peers in school, but now looking back, most of the concepts taught to me were self taught or shown to me by my parents. As well as the school not caring about me as a student, but rather cared about how me and other academically successful children could help boost the testing scores.

[@Ava-km7tl]

Exactly

[@sparkyboomboomboi7051]

Same

[@Mikki_93]

I tutor school kid sometimes and I’ve never felt so inadequate in my whole life. I felt like I was failing those kids cuz I would get the answers right but the teachers would mark it wrong because the process wasn’t what they wanted to see. So they would fail the kid on me. CC is such a tragedy and I had some kids have meltdowns and I had to console them and reassure them that they aren’t stupid. And I’m just a tutor…can’t even begin to imagine what the teachers and parents are going through.

[@WonderAsh_]

I can 100% relate - at one point I was looking at a lesson plan for some of my own students since I used to tutor too, and even then some of the ways they do things like long multiplcation, fractions, or other graphs etc. It's even confusing for me and it all seems so counter-intuitive.

[@filipgaming1233]

As a tutor, I believe it's your responsibility to understand what topic the kid is actually learning, and not just doing it the way you think is probably best. For example, if a kid is learning sohcahtoa with right triangles, you shouldn't use the law of sines, even though you might get the same answer.

[@rewrose2838]

You were working with false claims if you chose to tutor someone despite not learning it yourself. As @flipgaming123 said, it's your responsibility and crying over it doesn't do anything. This is why independent tutoring is horrible, because nobody is keeping them in check.

[@djsaidez271]

@@rewrose2838 I don't think they necessarily didn't learn it, they just learned it differently and in another valid way, whichever one works best for the kid Math is math, isn't it?

[@ha-kh7ef]

That’s not an issue with common core that’s an issue with older generations. Just fyi common core isn’t a teaching style.